Lt. Col. Allen West is running for Congress

[stubeeef]

the truth will set you free (http://video.foxnews.com/v/3967029/congressional-candidate-is-internet-sensation?category_id=86858)

This is the candidate I want to see be successful and grow to be a national political leader.

Longer version of speech (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP2p91dvm6M)

[leekohler]

Not even going to watch because of the inflammatory thread title. Why is it that you can't express yourself in a rational manner?

[yg17]

Not even going to watch because of the inflammatory thread title. Why is it that you can't express yourself in a rational manner?

This sort of crap is really dragging down the quality of PRSI, that's for sure.

[leekohler]

This sort of crap is really dragging down the quality of PRSI, that's for sure.

I'm sick of it. It's trolling at it's worst. That title was put there to inflame and nothing more.

It's reported.

[stubeeef]

This sort of crap is really dragging down the quality of PRSI, that's for sure.

Ya, not that your post calling me a liar about something I didn't say; is building up the PRSI.:rolleyes:

The fact is that many republicans, conservatives, and independents were, and still are called racists because we would not support Obama. It is a fact.

Well, as most republicans, conservatives, and independents believe-it is the message not the skin color. I love LtCol West's reference to Reids remarks in the link.

I have no illusions that more than 5 prsi posters would vote for this person-but is it because of race?

I'm sick of it. It's trolling at it's worst. That title was put there to inflame and nothing more.

It's reported.

so what

[leekohler]

so what

Stu- that thread title was trolling, bottom line. So what if you changed it. You've ruined any chance of anyone reading your links at this point. And no one here ever called you a racist for not voting for Obama. Imagine things all you want.

And you sit here and wonder why people don't take you seriously when you post threads with titles such as "Only a racist wouldn't vote for this guy"?

[Eraserhead]

Stu- that thread title was trolling, bottom line. So what if you changed it.

He's only changed it if he has two accounts as it looks like mkrishnan changed it to me ;).

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On the video, what exactly is so great about him. To me he just sounds like a republican Obama.

[nbs2]

Stu- that thread title was trolling, bottom line. So what if you changed it. You've ruined any chance of anyone reading your links at this point. And no one here ever called you a racist for not voting for Obama. Imagine things all you want.

And you sit here and wonder why people don't take you seriously when you post threads with titles such as "Only a racist wouldn't vote for this guy"?

While the title put me off - I figured there was some trolling involved, and clicking a link without more info is too much work for those cases - there is some ironic truth to his statement.

I took a bit of direct and indirect racism flack from coworkers for refusing to even think about voting for Obama after August '08.

[sushi]

This is the candidate I want to see be successful and grow to be a national political leader.
Agree. We need leaders.

We already have too many politicians.

[yg17]

I'm sick of it. It's trolling at it's worst. That title was put there to inflame and nothing more.

It's reported.

PRSI isn't even really enjoyable anymore because of crap like this. I have no problem with opposing opinions, but when they're posted in an inflammatory, trolling manner, I do have a problem with it.

[leekohler]

While the title put me off - I figured there was some trolling involved, and clicking a link without more info is too much work for those cases - there is some ironic truth to his statement.

I took a bit of direct and indirect racism flack from coworkers for refusing to even think about voting for Obama after August '08.

Did someone here call you a racist for not voting for Obama? No? Then that thread title was inappropriate to post here and did nothing but irritate people.

[Eraserhead]

After thinking about the video more, I do have another couple of questions on the guy. Especially in light of him not wanting government help to get on in life.

1) Which private school did he attend?

2) Which mercenary force did he reach the rank of Lt. Col. in?

As obviously attending state school is accepting government help to succeed and the same applies for working for the US Army as its paid for by the taxpayer.

[mcrain]

Did someone here call you a racist for not voting for Obama? No? Then that thread title was inappropriate to post here and did nothing but irritate people.

I think a lot of Obama supporters pulled the racist card out way too soon, and in way too many circumstances.

Unfortunately, the right has a history of supporting racist candidates, racist agendas, and racist policies, but that doesn't mean everyone on the right is racist. It doesn't mean that anyone who votes republican is a racist.

On the other hand, the right should acknowledge your history. Lincoln was a Republican, but shortly after his presidency, the Republicans of that day and age became the democrats. The Republicans became the party of the south.

Read up on your history. I'm no expert, and I don't have cites, but it's worth exploring. I say that because there are some on both sides that think we're all perfect, and we aren't.

Reasonable disagreements are ok. They don't mean you're a bad person. They merely mean you disagree. Inthenet has often said things that I think are incredibly wrong, but he's entitled to his sophmoric, immature opinions. (LOL - see that was wrong! He's entitled to his opinions, and I'm entitled to disagree with him.)

Palin is a tool! That's my opinion.

[yg17]

After thinking about the video more, I do have another couple of questions on the guy. Especially in light of him not wanting government help to get on in life.

1) Which private school did he attend?

2) Which mercenary force did he reach the rank of Lt. Col. in?

As obviously attending state school is accepting government help to succeed and the same applies for working for the US Army as its paid for by the taxpayer.

And he was such an upstanding military man too :rolleyes:

From Wiki:

While serving in Taji, Iraq on August 20, 2003 as commander of the 2d Battalion 20th Field Artillery, 4th Infantry Division, Lieutenant Colonel West was in charge of but not present at an interrogation of an Iraqi police officer who was suspected of having information about planned attacks on American forces. According to the Iraqi police officer, Yehiya Kadoori Hamoodi claimed that during the interrogation soldiers under West's supervision assaulted him attempting to get him to talk. Some say West fired a pistol near the policeman's head, producing an immediate flood of information that purportedly led to the arrest of two insurgents and cessation of attacks on West's 4th Infantry Division battalion.
West, who at the time was just short of having 20 years of service, was charged with violating articles 128 (assault) and 134 (general article) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, and was in danger of receiving an 11 year prison sentence, dismissal, and losing his retirement benefits. West was processed through an Article 15 hearing in November 2003, where he admitted wrongdoing, was fined $5,000 over two months for misconduct and assault. He then submitted his resignation, and was allowed to retire with full benefits in the summer of 2004

[leekohler]

I think a lot of Obama supporters pulled the racist card out way too soon, and in way too many circumstances.

Unfortunately, the right has a history of supporting racist candidates, racist agendas, and racist policies, but that doesn't mean everyone on the right is racist. It doesn't mean that anyone who votes republican is a racist.

On the other hand, the right should acknowledge your history. Lincoln was a Republican, but shortly after his presidency, the Republicans of that day and age became the democrats. The Republicans became the party of the south.

Read up on your history. I'm no expert, and I don't have cites, but it's worth exploring. I say that because there are some on both sides that think we're all perfect, and we aren't.

Reasonable disagreements are ok. They don't mean you're a bad person. They merely mean you disagree. Inthenet has often said things that I think are incredibly wrong, but he's entitled to his sophmoric, immature opinions. (LOL - see that was wrong! He's entitled to his opinions, and I'm entitled to disagree with him.)

Palin is a tool! That's my opinion.

Please reread my post. Did anyone HERE call any member of this forum a racist for not voting for Obama? NO. That thread title was posted specifically to inflame.

[NT1440]

Please reread my post. Did anyone HERE call any member of this forum a racist for not voting for Obama? NO. That thread title was posted specifically to inflame.

But someone somewhere in the world at some point called a conservative a racist (stupidly) for not voting for obama! Surely that means that anyone who doesn't proclaim Obama the anti christ is out to get them!
:rolleyes:

[leekohler]

But someone somewhere in the world at some point called a conservative a racist (stupidly) for not voting for obama! Surely that means that anyone who doesn't proclaim Obama the anti christ is out to get them!
:rolleyes:

And now this, straight from the mouth of Allen West. I knew it wouldn't take long to find some weird extremist crap:

“The revelation of Senator Harry Reid’s comments referencing “negro talk” is just indicative of the true sentiment elitist liberals, and indeed the Democratic party, have toward black Americans. The history of the Democrat party is one of slavery, secession, segregation, and now socialism. It is this new aged socialism born from the Johnson Great Society programs that have castigated blacks as victims needing government dependency. One need only to look upon the city of Detroit to ascertain what liberal social welfare policies have produced for the inner city…..the new plantation for black Americans.

The Ku Klux Klan was birthed by the Democrats as a terrorist wing to intimidate blacks, and whites, who sought to promote economic and education independence and social justice for blacks. What was once overt has just morphed and become covert, yet still exists..

One can only imagine the insanity and media outrage if Reid’s quote had come from a member of the Republican party. I look forward to hearing from Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton on Reid’s comments……..or has liberal hush money paid for the silence of these proprietors of poverty and victimization theory.. Actually, if President Obama had any courage he would demand Reid step down as Senate Majority Leader, and discontinue any support for his Senate reelection…….notice I said “if”. I am quite sure the Soros money which elevated Obama to the position of President has bought his servitude.

http://american-conservativevalues.com/blog/2010/01/allen-b-west-responds-to-harry-reids-racist-comments/

Yeah, sounds like just the right guy for Congress. :eek: Such disingenuous comments. Notice how he avoids saying "conservative" and "liberal" and only uses "Democrat" and "Republican". He thinks he's being honest, when really, he's just trying to see if he can fool people.

[mcrain]

Please reread my post. Did anyone HERE call any member of this forum a racist for not voting for Obama? NO. That thread title was posted specifically to inflame.

Lee, Lee, Lee my friend. I wasn't directing anything negative at you. I was only saying that those on the right accuse the left of using the racist card anytime someone doesn't agree with Obama. I think it's an often overused accusation against the right.

But, it's like the chicken who cried wolf, or the boy who said the sky is falling. Just because they yell too often, doesn't mean the big bad cloud wolf isn't bearing down on them.

There are too many examples of the right actually being racist to waste the racist card on stupid/arguably not racist stuff.

[leekohler]

Lee, Lee, Lee my friend. I wasn't directing anything negative at you. I was only saying that those on the right accuse the left of using the racist card anytime someone doesn't agree with Obama. I think it's an often overused accusation against the right.

But, it's like the chicken who cried wolf, or the boy who said the sky is falling. Just because they yell too often, doesn't mean the big bad cloud wolf isn't bearing down on them.

There are too many examples of the right actually being racist to waste the racist card on stupid/arguably not racist stuff.

What? Anytime someone doesn't agree with Obama they're called a racist? Do you really mean to say that? I'm sorry, that is simply not true. I disagree with Obama all the time and have yet to be called a racist.

Now, how about you look at my above post. That's infinitely more troubling. ;)

[eawmp1]

In the US any idiot can run for office.
Unfortunately the electorate seems to be less able to keep the extremists from attaining office.

And yes - MacRumors has gotten less enjoyable over the last 6 months due to the "extremists" on both sides firing salvos. If you feel so strongly to post pages upon pages of partisan drivel, GET A BLOG!

[mcrain]

What? Anytime someone doesn't agree with Obama they're called a racist? Do you really mean to say that? I'm sorry, that is simply not true. I disagree with Obama all the time and have yet to be called a racist.

Now, how about you look at my above post. That's infinitely more troubling. ;)

What we have here is a failure to communicate...

Often, not everytime,when someone doesn't agree with Obama, the left, will sometimes, but not everytime, accuse the right of racism. It's an accusation that is overused, and often, but not everytime, wrong.

I was merely pointing out that every instance of the right disagreeing with the President isn't racist, but at the same time, the right has a history of racism, and some of the critism of the right is justified.

Thus, the cry wolf/chicken little references.

[leekohler]

What we have here is a failure to communicate...

Often, not everytime,when someone doesn't agree with Obama, the left, will sometimes, but not everytime, accuse the right of racism. It's an accusation that is overused, and often, but not everytime, wrong.

I was merely pointing out that every instance of the right disagreeing with the President isn't racist, but at the same time, the right has a history of racism, and some of the critism of the right is justified.

Thus, the cry wolf/chicken little references.

OK. However, the reason the original thread title was inflammatory was because no one here in this forum has accused anyone of racism for disagreeing with Obama. Therefore, that thread title has no place in this forum and served no purpose other than to irritate the members of this forum. Are we all clear now? ;)

Now let's address post #17, shall we? ;)

[mcrain]

In the US any idiot can run for office.
Unfortunately the electorate seems to be less able to keep the extremists from attaining office.

Bush Jr./Quayle/Palin/Perot/Etc... I just noticed that the idiot and extremist labels are overlapping.

[mcrain]

OK. However, the reason the original thread title was inflammatory was because no one here in this forum has accused anyone of racism for disagreeing with Obama. Therefore, that thread title has no place in this forum and served only to irritate people. Are we all clear now?

Yes, and I agree with you. I think inflammatory statements that someone has accused someone else of racism shoudn't be here, not only because no one did that, but also for the reason I pointed out.

[mcrain]

Now let's address post #17, shall we? ;)

Holy crap! Palin/West 2012!!!!

Sorry, I didn't see that post. I'm shocked.

[obeygiant]

West does have a point here. Where is Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton's take on the Reid comment. Seems like they'd be all over this.

[leekohler]

West does have a point here. Where is Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton's take on the Reid comment. Seems like they'd be all over this.

But the rest of what he said doesn't bother you in the least? I can't believe that out of that whole rant, that's what you picked on.

[arkitect]

Palin/West 2012!!!!

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2009/2/2/128780587140361923.jpg

Scary… scary… and nowhere on the entire planet to run and hide…

[obeygiant]

But the rest of what he said doesn't bother you in the least? I can't believe that out of that whole rant, that's what you picked on.

Well it was 150 years ago but there is some truth to the fact the KKK and the democratic party worked together:

In effect, the Klan defended the interest of the planter class and Democratic Party by working to curb the education, economic advancement, voting rights, and right to keep and bear arms of blacks. The Ku Klux Klan soon spread into nearly every southern state, launching a "reign of terror" against Republican leaders both black and white. Those political leaders assassinated during the campaign included Arkansas Congressman James M. Hinds, three members of the South Carolina legislature, and several men who served in constitutional conventions."wiki (http://schools-wikipedia.org/wp/k/Ku_Klux_Klan.htm)

Today, I really doubt there is a connection with the dems and the KKK.

[leekohler]

Well it was 150 years ago but there is some truth to the fact the KKK and the democratic party worked together:

wiki (http://schools-wikipedia.org/wp/k/Ku_Klux_Klan.htm)

Today, I really doubt there is a connection with the dems and the KKK.

That is correct, but him bringing this up is disingenuous at best. Especially given what happened with Republicans during the civil rights movement in the 60's.

[mkrishnan]

Yeah, sounds like just the right guy for Congress. :eek:

"The history of the Democrat party?" Are you saying that Allen West is actually InTheNet? :eek: :D

[leekohler]

"The history of the Democrat party?" Are you saying that Allen West is actually InTheNet? :eek: :D

No- he's stubeef. :)

[mcrain]

Well it was 150 years ago but there is some truth to the fact the KKK and the democratic party worked together:

wiki (http://schools-wikipedia.org/wp/k/Ku_Klux_Klan.htm)

Today, I really doubt there is a connection with the dems and the KKK.

After the Civil Rights Movement successfully challenged the Jim Crow laws and other forms of institutionalized racism, and after the Democrats as a whole came to symbolize the mainstream left of the United States, the form, if not the content, of Southern Democratic politics began to change. At that point, most Southern Democrats defected to the Republican Party, and helped accelerate the latter's transformation into a more conservative organization.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Democrats

[Thomas Veil]

I'd like to suggest an alternative candidate:

http://www.nefanx.com/images/Mark-4.jpg
Maj. Don West for Congress

[Full of Win]

I like him.

[obeygiant]

I'd like to suggest an alternative candidate:

That guy's collar bothers me.

[CorvusCamenarum]

I'd like to suggest an alternative candidate:

This West comes with his own built-in running mate should he ever decide to try for the Presidency. Plus he has a neato belt.

http://onceuponawin.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/win-pictures-adam-west-batman1.jpg

[stubeeef]

OK. However, the reason the original thread title was inflammatory was because no one here in this forum has accused anyone of racism for disagreeing with Obama. Therefore, that thread title has no place in this forum and served no purpose other than to irritate the members of this forum. Are we all clear now?

Are you saying that thread titles can only address what is happening in this forum? How arrogant. I thought it was about Politics, Religion, Social Issues. Surely they exist outside of your small cyber byte here.
link (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/04/bill-clinton-ob.html)
ABC News' Rick Klein Reports: Bill Clinton accused Barack Obama's campaign of "playing the race card on me" and told a Philadelphia radio station that the Obama campaign took his Jesse Jackson comment and "twisted it for political purposes."
link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy4QdhWLoG0&watch_response)
FACT>My kids were constantly called racists at school for simply wanting McCain.

Some say West fired a pistol near the policeman's head, producing an immediate flood of information that purportedly led to the arrest of two insurgents and cessation of attacks on West's 4th Infantry Division battalion.

makes me like him more!

“The revelation of Senator Harry Reid’s comments referencing “negro talk” is just indicative of the true sentiment elitist liberals, and indeed the Democratic party, have toward black Americans. The history of the Democrat party is one of slavery, secession, segregation, and now socialism. It is this new aged socialism born from the Johnson Great Society programs that have castigated blacks as victims needing government dependency. One need only to look upon the city of Detroit to ascertain what liberal social welfare policies have produced for the inner city…..the new plantation for black Americans.

The Ku Klux Klan was birthed by the Democrats as a terrorist wing to intimidate blacks, and whites, who sought to promote economic and education independence and social justice for blacks. What was once overt has just morphed and become covert, yet still exists..

One can only imagine the insanity and media outrage if Reid’s quote had come from a member of the Republican party. I look forward to hearing from Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton on Reid’s comments……..or has liberal hush money paid for the silence of these proprietors of poverty and victimization theory.. Actually, if President Obama had any courage he would demand Reid step down as Senate Majority Leader, and discontinue any support for his Senate reelection…….notice I said “if”. I am quite sure the Soros money which elevated Obama to the position of President has bought his servitude.

Loved it, the truth will set you free.

[leekohler]

Are you saying that thread titles can only address what is happening in this forum? How arrogant. I thought it was about Politics, Religion, Social Issues. Surely they exist outside of your small cyber byte here.
link (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/04/bill-clinton-ob.html)

You posted that title simply to inflame. It wasn't informative in the least. Apparently, the mods agree with me. So you're calling them arrogant too.

link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy4QdhWLoG0&watch_response)
FACT>My kids were constantly called racists at school for simply wanting McCain.

:rolleyes: Kids will be kids. Are you seriously saying that what some kids say means that the whole world is calling you racist for disagreeing with and not voting for Obama? If you don't like what other kids say to yours, go speak to their parents about it. Trust me, I was called much worse in school. You don't see me crying about it. I stood there and took it and defended myself when necessary.

makes me like him more!



Loved it, the truth will set you free.

The you have some major problems dealing with reality. It's obviously not a place you care to live.

[mcrain]

FACT>My kids were constantly called racists at school for simply wanting McCain. Are they racist? Have you taught them to be open minded and to treat people equally regardless of their skin color? Did they repeat something at school they shouldnt' have? Absent more information, it's hard to say that the kids calling them racist were wrong. (Devil's advocate here)

Loved it, the truth will set you free. Ok, try google.com. Democrats (dixiecrats) started the KKK. True. Lincoln was a Republican. True. AFTERWARDS, the democrats of the south became the republicans, and the republicans of Lincoln's day became the democrats. So, by your logic, the republicans are secretly KKK members.

[Shivetya]

PRSI isn't even really enjoyable anymore because of crap like this. I have no problem with opposing opinions, but when they're posted in an inflammatory, trolling manner, I do have a problem with it.

I missed it, what did he do? Forget to bash Christians in his thread title or claim anyone not supporting a gay agenda is a Nazi?

[hulugu]

...
FACT>My kids were constantly called racists at school for simply wanting McCain.....

That's not a fact in this forum, it's hearsay, a personal anecdote at best.

...
Ok, try google.com. Democrats (dixiecrats) started the KKK. True. Lincoln was a Republican. True. AFTERWARDS, the democrats of the south became the republicans, and the republicans of Lincoln's day became the democrats. So, by your logic, the republicans are secretly KKK members.

Right, hence the brouhaha after Lott's comment about Thurmond. Thurmond was a Dixiecrat who broke with the Democratic party because of its support of civil rights. In 1957, he conducted the longest filibuster ever in opposition to the Civil Rights Act, but remained a Democrat until 1967 when he became a Republican.

Ergo, according to the logic, the Democrats were racists, but the Republicans are racists—or were until 2003.

I think there's a flaw here.

[yg17]

FACT>My kids were constantly called racists at school for simply wanting McCain.

And do any of these people at your kids' school frequent PRSI?

[mcrain]

FACT>My kids were constantly called racists at school for simply wanting McCain.

Out of curiosity, how old are your children? How politically astute are they? What qualities about McCain made them like him more than Obama? I mean, McCain is clearly hip, fresh, appeals to the younger crowd... Other than having your support, what did they independently like about him? He's old. He's white. He's loves rap and he can get funky fresh on the mic??