Americans, who would you consider the least qualified Presidential/VP candidate?

[63dot]

...and this poll is open, of course, to anybody on planet earth and beyond. :)

[yg17]

Do you even have to ask what my vote is? :D

[jav6454]

I like the Governator (even though he bankrupted Cali, he did do some very good things).

Edit - I like him as a candidate for the VP/Pres race (if laws ever change), I never assume him to be the worse.

However, Hockey mom takes my vote as the worse thing ever.... as if someone had to ask.

[yg17]

So far it's a landslide! I think this poll will be the only election Palin ever wins again ;)

[63dot]

Do you even have to ask what my vote is? :D

I wanted to put up five conservatives and five liberals to see what people think. I am going to play GOP devil's advocate for a second:

1) Obama - little experience in Senate before getting into White House
2) Biden - might be going senile with strange comments
3) Clinton - may have got where she was because she was merely married to a President
4) Jackson holds no office, and his experience could be chalked up to great speeches, not a Congressional voting record
5) Moore is the left wing Rush Limbaugh, nothing more

[mcrain]

I almost voted for Quayle, and it dawned on me that Palin makes him look intelligent.

[eawmp1]

The problem is, pre-election qualifications don't always correlate with success/effectiveness in office.

[63dot]

The problem is, pre-election qualifications don't always correlate with success/effectiveness in office.

Very true. That's how Obama, young and with very little DC experience, beat the field and became President. I don't think a similarly young Palin, this time with no DC experience, can stand a chance in what will likely be a tough GOP candidate field.

I see that Rev. Robertson has two votes. Anyway, to his credit, he has his Bachelor of Laws from Yale Law School and a Master of Divinity degree. Besides this impressive education, he served as a Marine Corps officer.

[Eraserhead]

Its a bad day for the far right.

[yg17]

Very true. That's how Obama, young and with very little DC experience, beat the field and became President. I don't think a similarly young Palin, this time with no DC experience, can stand a chance in what will likely be a tough GOP candidate field.

I see that Rev. Robertson has two votes. Anyway, to his credit, he has his Bachelor of Laws from Yale Law School and a Master of Divinity degree. Besides this impressive education, he served as a Marine Corps officer.

He's also a hateful, bigoted scumbag. That cancels out his Yale education.

[Eraserhead]

The problem is, pre-election qualifications don't always correlate with success/effectiveness in office.

True, not knowing why Korea split up and who your favourite founder are probably do though.

[eawmp1]

True, not knowing why Korea split up and who your favourite founder are probably do though.

"don't always"
In this case, a basic test of US history, like the one they give to qualify for citzenship, would be a nice prerequisite. We've had enough politicians whose verbal gaffes make the US the butt of jokes to the rest of the world.

[IntheNet]

...and this poll is open, of course, to anybody on planet earth and beyond. :)

Least Informed/Qualified? Obama/Biden

[Eraserhead]

Least Informed/Qualified? Obama/Biden

Post of the day! After they'll have done the job for 4 years and all ;).

[63dot]

He's also a hateful, bigoted scumbag. That cancels out his Yale education.

Let's say he is that much of a bigot, and even worse, he still knows about law (LL.B Yale), religious issues as they pop up in politics (M.Div degree) and the military (1st Lt. USMC). What does Palin have on Robertson???

Let's see how Palin holds up against Robertson: Palin goes on my home affilitate ABC news station and mixes up the Declaration of Independence with the Constitution. Terrible. Robertson, like all law grads have to take the grueling Constitutional Law course and know the federal law inside out. Mcrain, a lawyer, can attest to that. As far as the military, she pisses of Lt. General Campbell who headed up the Alaska National Guard, a distinguished alum of my alma mater and generally well respected man, by saying she runs the Alaska national guard, not him. What does Palin know about running a military organization that a General does not know???

[yg17]

Let's say he is that much of a bigot, and even worse, he still knows about law (LL.B Yale), religious issues as they pop up in politics (M.Div degree) and the military (1st Lt. USMC). What does Palin have on Robertson???

Good point.

It's a sad day when a bigoted scumbag televangelist has more qualifications to be president than an actual VP candidate.

[obeygiant]

Rename poll to "who do you hate the most"

[Eraserhead]

Rename poll to "who do you hate the most"

Who did you vote for then?

[obeygiant]

I voted for Bauer, because I thought it was in regards to Jack Bauer and I don't like that show "24".

[MacNut]

I will take this poll with a grain of salt, knowing how this board thinks I would say real world numbers would be maybe 20% lower.
I voted for Bauer, because I thought it was in regards to Jack Bauer and I don't like that show "24".How dare you, Jack Bauer would be the greatest president ever.

[63dot]

Good point.

It's a sad day when a bigoted scumbag televangelist has more qualifications to be president than an actual VP candidate.

Truth is Charles Manson makes a better legal speaker than Palin and his strange comments on the penal system, however distasteful, shows he knows the law. What does Palin know? She can't even name the chain of command in the Alaska penal system or the chain of command in the guard and duties thereof.

[Eraserhead]

I voted for Bauer, because I thought it was in regards to Jack Bauer and I don't like that show "24".

Fair enough

[Rt&Dzine]

I almost voted for Quayle, and it dawned on me that Palin makes him look intelligent.

Probably half of the people on MR weren't even alive when Quayle ran.

[MacNut]

Probably more than half of the people on MR weren't even alive when Quayle ran.P-O-T-A-T-O....wait.

[obeygiant]

How are you, Jack Bauer would be the greatest president ever.

Well Jack Bauer isn't real. But if he were it seems like he'd be more of a secretary of defense or at a stretch secretary of state. lol can you imagine:

"CHLOE, GET ME KIM JONG ILLS' FILES ON MY PDA!"
"JACK I'M DOING AS MUCH AS I CAN"
"HURRY! I'M TRYING TO BUST UP THIS AXIS OF EVIL!!"

[Rt&Dzine]

P-O-T-A-T-O....wait.

Not that I'm a Quayle fan, but I try not to judge people's intelligence on their spelling. I know many super smart people who can't spell.

[MacNut]

Well Jack Bauer isn't real. But if he were it seems like he'd be more of a secretary of defense or at a stretch secretary of state. lol can you imagine:

"CHLOE, GET ME KIM JONG ILLS' FILES ON MY PDA!"
"JACK I'M DOING AS MUCH AS I CAN"
"HURRY! I'M TRYING TO BUST UP THIS AXIS OF EVIL!!"Jack is real! just like Santa and Bugs Bunny.:p

If you go by the Presidents on 24 and realize how similar they are to real life then Jack would be better.

[nbs2]

I had to go with Moore. As 63dot points out, he is essentially a less experienced left-Limbaugh. So, is Palin or Limbaugh less qualified? It's painful to say this, but Palin is a quick study on politcal machinations and could beat him in a few years. If she can beat Limbaugh, she'd beat Moore. So Moore.

[obeygiant]

P-O-T-A-T-O....wait.

http://www.picpop.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/potatoes.gif

Boil em mash em stick em in a stew!

[ucfgrad93]

I had to go with Moore.

So did I.

[thejadedmonkey]

I'm surprised that Michael Moore is getting 5% of the vote (and at 2nd place). Some of the things that he does are publicity or bone-headed, but they require a certain amount of knowledge to pull off. For example, you need to know who Greenspan is, in order to make fun of him. This is something I don't think Palin could do if her life depended on it.

[rdowns]

Why don't we just rename the thread Circle Jerk? Just saying.

[nbs2]

I'm surprised that Michael Moore is getting 5% of the vote (and at 2nd place). Some of the things that he does are publicity or bone-headed, but they require a certain amount of knowledge to pull off. For example, you need to know who Greenspan is, in order to make fun of him. This is something I don't think Palin could do if her life depended on it.

There are two issues. The thread is "informed," but the poll is "qualified."

Qualified - At the very least, having an effective political manipulator somewhere in your administration is key to getting what may be necessary, if unpopular, policies in place. Do it effectively and you can have a bloodless, undocumented, coup (see: Bush/Cheney).

Informed - She may not know a lot, and may have crazy ideas, but she knows how to get them out there. While Moore can attract publicity for a period of time - his movies attract attention for a period, then people move on - Palin is aware of key players in the media and knows how to keep her machine in the limelight for months (years?).

So, either way, Moore is a better choice. although, if this had been a popularity contest, I would have voted for someone else (can you guess).

EDIT: I just took a look at the poll, and I want to know who voted for Obama. Seriously? The man will have had nearly 4 years of POTUS experience under his belt, and you think him less qualified than any of the other choices? I don't know who you are, but that's the kind of scum that puts the GOP in danger. I, a declared Republican, hope we get a Palin/Huckabee ticket in 2012 and get body slammed. That may finally be enough to break my people, the fiscal conservative/social moderate/not insane, away from the likes of you.

[StruckANerve]

You are asking two different questions. Your topic title says least informed and your poll says least qualified. So, which is it?

[abijnk]

Why don't we just rename the thread Circle Jerk? Just saying.

That's all it is. IBTL

[nbs2]

;).

I'm just hoping he made that statement for reaction and really voted for Jackson or Moore (or Palin :eek:)

[rdowns]

That's all it is. IBTL


I brought crackers.


http://zestycook.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/triscuit.jpg

[StruckANerve]

Wow. This is nothing more than a "let's all bash Palin and discuss how stupid she is" thread. Even if you don't think she is qualified to be president (which I agree with), the most obvious choice in this poll should be Michael Moore. How a propagandizing Film Director is more qualified to be president than someone who was a state Governor and is experienced in policy making and budgets and things of that nature is beyond my comprehension.

Everyone that voted for her should be ashamed of themselves.

[Eraserhead]

I'm just hoping he made that statement for reaction and really voted for Jackson or Moore (or Palin :eek:)

I don't think so, it didn't say Obama with a vote before he apparently entered the thread.

Wow. This is nothing more than a "let's all bash Palin and discuss how stupid she is" thread. Even if you don't think she is qualified to be president (which I agree with), the most obvious choice in this poll should be Michael Moore. How a propagandizing Film Director is more qualified to be president than someone who was a state Governor and is experienced in policy making and budgets and things of that nature is beyond my comprehension.

Everyone that voted for her should be ashamed of themselves.

If you've seen even one video from Palin you can see how under-qualified she is. At least Moore knows something about the world (both inside and outside the US).

[mcrain]

Robertson, like all law grads have to take the grueling Constitutional Law course and know the federal law inside out. Mcrain, a lawyer, can attest to that. As far as the military, she pisses of Lt. General Campbell who headed up the Alaska National Guard, a distinguished alum of my alma mater and generally well respected man, by saying she runs the Alaska national guard, not him.

Two things... ConLaw - ouch. ConLaw2 - ouch2. That being said, she was teh commander in chief of the Alaska National Guard (before she quit), not a General. The General and his aides actually ran the guard, but they did it under the commander in chief.

So, I hate to say it, but she was kind of right, and Campbell, probably should have just saluted and kept his mouth shut.

[StruckANerve]

If you've seen even one video from Palin you can see how under-qualified she is. At least Moore knows something about the world (both inside and outside the US).

Having more knowledge about the world does not qualify you to be president. Would you expect some egghead that won on Jeopardy to be able to rebuild the transmission in your car? No, because he has neither the experience nor the qualifications to perform the task.

[mcrain]

I brought crackers.

Really? Where are all my Honkey and Cracker friends? LOL!!!!

I hope you all realize I'm only funnin'

[Eraserhead]

Having more knowledge about the world does not qualify you to be president.

Why not?

Not understanding the world is what got Bush into trouble.

[mcrain]

Having more knowledge about the world does not qualify you to be president.

No, but less makes you a Republican!

[StruckANerve]

Why not?

Not understanding the world is what got Bush into trouble.

I'd say what got Bush into trouble was him lying about his motives for invading other nations.

[Eraserhead]

I'd say what got Bush into trouble was him lying about his motives for invading other nations.

What so if Bush had said he was invading Iraq to make the military contractors happy or for oil that would have made it OK?

[mcrain]

What so if Bush had said he was invading Iraq to make the military contractors happy or for oil that would have made it OK?

No, but at least honest.

[Eraserhead]

No, but at least honest.

True, it would have been better. And however satisfying it would be to have a no-******** politician I'd rather have a competent liar than a moron who told the truth.

[StruckANerve]

What so if Bush had said he was invading Iraq to make the military contractors happy or for oil that would have made it OK?

No. Honesty would have prevented the invasion altogether. But, instead the administration used fear and lies to scare all the sheep into compliance by creating a false threat.

I'd rather have a competent liar than a moron who told the truth.


Wow, that statement speaks volumes about your character.

[Eraserhead]

No. Honesty would have prevented the invasion altogether.

I doubt it.

Tony Blair has said he would have invaded Iraq even without evidence of weapons of mass destruction and would have found a way to justify the war to parliament and the public.

(source (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/dec/12/tony-blair-iraq-chilcot-inquiry))

Wow, that statement speaks volumes about your character.

Yeah it says I live in the real world. People lie sometimes.

[mcrain]

Yeah it says I live in the real world. People lie sometimes.

You're married aren't you... What's your wife think about that attitude?

[nbs2]

You're married aren't you... What's your wife think about that attitude?

Mine agrees with that sentiment. Especially when our 2yo daughter tells us with a straight face that she took a nap when you could full well hear her playing in her room.

[Eraserhead]

You're married aren't you... What's your wife think about that attitude?

I'm not married :). I wouldn't lie to my wife though ;). Seriously though I try and tell the truth as much as possible, but there is a time and a place to lie and everyone does it.

[mcrain]

I'm not married :). I wouldn't lie to my wife though ;). Seriously though I try and tell the truth as much as possible, but there is a time and a place to lie and everyone does it.

Ok, so is that time and place a situation where you are the elected representative of the people, and you're lying about going into a war where thousands of your citizens will die, and your country will end up killing tens of thousands of people?

Mine agrees with that sentiment. Especially when our 2yo daughter tells us with a straight face that she took a nap when you could full well hear her playing in her room.

If you giggle and turn a blind eye to your daughter now, in 10 years you're going to be a grandparent.

[Eraserhead]

Ok, so is that time and place a situation where you are the elected representative of the people, and you're lying about going into a war where thousands of your citizens will die, and your country will end up killing tens of thousands of people?

Fair point.

[mcrain]

Honesty is honesty. If we as citizens allow our elected representatives to lie to us, we deserve everything brought upon us.

If we as parents allow our children to lie, then we, as parents will have children who end up teen parents in rehab.

I'm a parent too. You do what you want, but mark my words. Enjoy her teen years knowing you taught her it's ok to lie.

Mine agrees with that sentiment.

Doesn't it scare you a little bit that your wife agrees with that sentiment?

[splitpea]

I'd rather have a competent liar than a moron who told the truth.

I'd rather not have to make that choice.

[Eraserhead]

I'd rather not have to make that choice.

So would I, I spent a few minutes thinking about that post for that reason.

[nbs2]

Doesn't it scare you a little bit that your wife agrees with that sentiment?

So you believe that nobody lies? Or that there is never a reason for lies?

Suppose CPT Underpants was part of a multiple attack designed to distract Americans while crop-dusters poisoned the water supply. I'd rather Obama say, "CPT Underpants acted by himself and was a one-time idiot," and deal with the facts on the ground behind the scenes instead of bringing America to its knees in a panic. Eventually, the truth would leak, and it would be time to deal with the consequences.

A good and intelligent politician may lie or omit if necessary for the public, but will accept the consequence. The moron will just bring problems from the beginning.

If you giggle and turn a blind eye to your daughter now, in 10 years you're going to be a grandparent.

A) I don't see a correlation between a kid not wanting to take a nap and a kid who can't keep from spreading her legs;

B) There isn't any giggling. Tying her down to the bed would be an invite to CPS, but she knows and doesn't complain when the lack of nap leads to an early bedtime.

Are you really that sure that your kids have never told a lie/fib/their own version of the truth? People are going to lie. The question is, how will they face the consequences of their lie.

[freeny]

If you've seen even one video from Palin you can see how under-qualified she is. At least Moore knows something about the world (both inside and outside the US).

Thats pretty much how i see it too. While i wouldnt want either in office, Moore certainly has shown he is at least "qualified". Moore would run laps around Palin in a debate.

[Eraserhead]

Thats pretty much how i see it too. While i wouldnt want either in office, Moore certainly has shown he is at least "qualified". Moore would run laps around Palin in a debate.

Agreed. Moore would be a bit left wing for the US for starters.

[rdowns]

Moore would run laps around Palin in a debate.


Somehow running laps and Michael Moore just don't seem to fit.

[63dot]

Somehow running laps and Michael Moore just don't seem to fit.

Yeah, but he would be running in the correct direction.

Palin is not good at knowing where she is. You can't really see Russia from Wasilla, at least not yet unless Russia invades/takes over Anchorage and surrounding areas or Sarah Palin becomes Governor again and sells Anchorage to Russia, pockets some of the money, so she could keep up her wardrobe! ;)

Rename poll to "who do you hate the most"

I don't hate any of them, but I do admit I was very, very angry at the former Secretary of State in being in on a hasty invasion of Iraq. Dr. Rice should have stood by then Secretary of State Colin Powell, who called for a more cautious approach to Iraq. Secretary Powell later made the mistake by joining in on the invasion, after much fighting against the idea of an invasion. History shows us we didn't find those WMDs in Iraq. When Powell showed remorse for his famous speech to the world of why we should go in, I forgave him. Sec. Powell is an American hero who made mistakes, but mostly did the right thing. I hope one day Condi either justifies the invasion with a well thought out point of view, or admit that things didn't go perfectly on the intelligence front. She has a PhD on the topic of these types of foreign relations issues, so I am all ears.

Condi's co-hort at Stanford was my boss when I interned for the US Government as a college junior. He was a very thoughtful CIA employee who carefully weighed both sides before jumping in. He never was one to enter into quagmires blindly. So seeing a esteemed Stanford Hoover Institute person go along so quickly with a hasty invasion of Iraq just shocked and saddened me.

[NT1440]

I voted Moore, but Palin is a very close second.

[Zombie Acorn]

A good president has great advisers, the POTUS makes the tough decisions, but they have help. I voted Palin as the worst, she is an airhead.

[chstr]

palin, moore, the two rev's are all equally unqualified, but I voted palin because she got closest

[Ugg]

Somehow running laps and Michael Moore just don't seem to fit.

If we were to choose VPs based on health alone, MM would be my absolute last choice. The man is a pig.

[macfan881]

Palin

[lixuelai]

Just voted Robertson. After his comments about the Haiti earthquakes he should just go straight to hell.

[yojitani]

By 2012, you can't say Obama is inexperienced. 4 years of being president is experience. All the others have some sort of experience. I'd say it's a draw between Michael Moore and Sarah Palin. Moore wins though because he at least pretends to understand issues.

[flopticalcube]

I'd rather have a fat film maker or a hockey mom/pitbull then a senile hate-monger.

[63dot]

I'd rather have a fat film maker or a hockey mom/pitbull then a senile hate-monger.

While I don't agree with Robertson's political stances most of the time, he's not a hate monger. That would be David Duke or Fred Phelps. There is a fundamental difference there.

Pat Robertson is on the right wing of the large umbrella of the Christian Right, or what may be commonly referred to as the Christian Identity Movement. They hold some views that seem a little too right wing for moderate Republicans but there are a few posters here who seem to be in line, mostly, with the Christian Identity Movement like InTheNet and a couple of others. And I don't consider them hate mongers, just right wing Republicans who are Christians on the more conservative end of the spectrum.

Remember that Pat Robertson's partner on the 700 Club was an African-American man, not somebody you would see on David Duke's TV show had he ever had one.

[flopticalcube]

While I don't agree with Robertson's political stances most of the time, he's not a hate monger. That would be David Duke or Fred Phelps. There is a fundamental difference there.

Pat Robertson is on the right wing of the large umbrella of the Christian Right, or what may be commonly referred to as the Christian Identity Movement. They hold some views that seem a little too right wing for moderate Republicans but there are a few posters here who seem to be in line, mostly, with the Christian Identity Movement like InTheNet and a couple of others. And I don't consider them hate mongers, just right wing Republicans who are Christians on the more conservative end of the spectrum.

Remember that Pat Robertson's partner on the 700 Club was an African-American man, not somebody you would see on David Duke's TV show had he ever had one.
Because he twists words and smiles all the time doesn't mean he doesn't hate, he just hides it well (http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/funnyquotes/a/patrobertson.htm).

[63dot]

Because he twists words and smiles all the time doesn't mean he doesn't hate, he just hides it well (http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/funnyquotes/a/patrobertson.htm).

If he was such a right wing hate monger, besides his long time co-host, why is he, to the shock of some of the Christian Right, such a global warming alarmist? Many in the Christian Right don't hold onto the view that our carbon emissions are hurting this planet. Robertson is convinced we have in part caused global warming. Robertson is among a few high profile members of the Christian Right who believe global warming is partially or largely man made.

Many racists within the Christian church, the more fascist end of the Christian Right, don't believe in the gifts of the spirit. They fundamentally say they "believe" in the Trinity that more liberal/moderate mainline churches adhere to but have little or no teaching on the Holy Spirit of gifts of the spirit. Most of the bigots who may be Christians (not good ones, obviously) attach Holy Spirit believing Christians with the "black" church beliefs, and therefore diss Pentacostalism and the gifts of the spirit. Pat Robertson is a believer in the Trinity to the point where he strongly believes in the gifts of the spirit and serious discussion of the Holy Spirit. The other two parts of the Trinity are the Father (who is commonly seen as the Creator, God in the Sky, Jehovah, I AM, etc) and Son (Jesus as God in the flesh).

Hate mongers would be hard pressed to:

1) have an African-American co-host
2) stump for environmentalism
3) have any association with the Pentacostal movement or Charismatic movement, both pillars in the black church in America

I know I am getting into theology, but Pat Robertson, while he has views that may sound like David Duke at times, is not David Duke. The only thing Duke and Robertson have in common is being right wing.

I am left wing but you don't see me donning a t-shirt with Stalin or Castro on it. ;)

As to your assertion that Robertson is senile, well he is quite old so that's certainly a possibility. But if he became increasingly senile, became strange and erratic, I doubt that the Klan or neo-nazis would suddenly tap him to be their leader.

[MacHipster]

Micheal Moore. Otherwise, Sarah "I don't understand how there can be two Koreas" Palin.

[Rt&Dzine]

I voted for Robertson. But Moore and Palin were strong contenders.

[Eraserhead]

I can't believe 2 people have voted for Obama and 2 more for Biden now.

[nbs2]

I can't believe 2 people have voted for Obama and 2 more for Biden now.

Is it too late to reiterate my earlier statement?

It is funny to see that at this point, Dan, Arnold, and Hillary are the only unanimous non-least-qualified candidates.

[63dot]

I can't believe 2 people have voted for Obama and 2 more for Biden now.

What makes Macrumors great in this political corner is that we have diversity here. You have centrists who are ones who range from moderate Democrats to moderate Republicans, Libertarian Left (on the political compass) like me who votes Democrat and Green because I am not lockstep with the Democrats on everything, fivepoint (who from his posts appears to be Libertarian Center or Libertarian Right, and InTheNet who appears to be a conservative Republican, and there are many here who appear to be liberal Democrats who tow the party line on everything.

When it comes to purely Libertarian related issues, I am all with fivepoint. When it's pro-life, I am with InTheNet, and when it's most other issues, I almost always side with the Democrats or Green Party.

The only reason I am not in my local Libertarian Party as a member is because they all too focused on medical marijuana, not for the medical issues, but so they can be more stoned than they already are. I am from Northern California, not too far from Big Sur on one end and UC Berkeley on the other end, so the Libertarian Party here are basically hippies who hate all authority and are convinced Bush and Obama are in some secret society or old man's Republican-Democratic club who are ruled by some "elite" who that can't seem to name, who are also ones who probably hate the Grateful Dead. ;)

[Eraserhead]

Is it too late to reiterate my earlier statement?

It is funny to see that at this point, Dan, Arnold, and Hillary are the only unanimous non-least-qualified candidates.

Obama will clearly be one of the most qualified candidates as he'll have done the job for 4 years. Certainly regardless of your political views I find it difficult to believe you'd think Obama would be less qualified than Arnie or Michael Moore.

[rdowns]

I can't believe 2 people have voted for Obama and 2 more for Biden now.

I can't believe this thread is even happening. :rolleyes:

[Forsaken]

If you had made this multiple choice I would've chosen both Palin and Moore.

[Xavier]

There are so many.. who to choose..

[Eraserhead]

If you had made this multiple choice I would've chosen both Palin and Moore.

Well you could make rdowns really happy and start a thread titled "Americans, who would you consider unqualified to be President/VP". As its approval voting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Approval_voting) I'd be interested to see the difference in the results.

[63dot]

If you had made this multiple choice I would've chosen both Palin and Moore.

Making this thread I considered this since Palin and Moore are my choices, too. I voted Palin.

I could have said who do would you consider the two least qualified candidates, choose one liberal and one conservative.

I carefully pulled out names I thought that would make the most sense to all here from all the years of back and forth I have seen on politics on Macrumors since 2001. Dan Quayle is still young enough to run and he was heavily criticized for being dumb so he made the list. Nobody voted for him on this thread, yet. Sec. Clinton, I think, got a lot of help by being First Lady even though she is a smart person. Arnold, who Senator Hatch would like to see run, can be said to have got in through name recognition alone, not political experience.

In defense of those three who got zero votes, maybe people realize that since W and Palin, Quayle does not seem all that dumb. In defense of Clinton, she does not seem to have any glaring flub ups as Senator of New York. In defense of Arnold, he he, he makes entertaining movies. (sorry, I am from the state where he seems to be disliked by so many but that is a huge thread on its own especially after his much criticized State of the State speech). But I look forward to the next Terminator or Predator movie. ;)

[63dot]

Well you could make rdowns really happy and start a thread titled "Americans, who would you consider unqualified to be President/VP". As its approval voting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Approval_voting) I'd be interested to see the difference in the results.

No, to make rdowns happy, I could ask, "What female looks best with their panties down?" ;)

I hope I don't get in trouble for this statement just in case rdowns' falling down panties avatar is actually a picture of rdowns. Since I started here in 2001, there was once a female poster that had a very provacative, "hot" picture, but we all assumed it was some Mac guy who just pulled a picture off the internet. But in reality, the poster here was a very "hot" woman who looks like they could be on the cover of Maxim.

Also, having PM'd a lot of people, I did find out that there may be a guy here who is really a girl, but likes to keep up the guy persona to avoid cyber stalkers due to being "hot" and semi-famous. Pictures this poster has posted of themselves is not them, but a male friend.

One poster here was a he, but is now a she.

God I know too much stuff but I won't tell.

-63dot, formerly "j/jefhatfield/jhatfield" from the old days :)

[Rt&Dzine]

No, to make rdowns happy, I could ask, "What female looks best with their panties down?" ;)

I hope I don't get in trouble for this statement just in case rdowns' falling down panties avatar is actually a picture of rdowns. Since I started here in 2001, there was once a female poster that had a very provacative, "hot" picture, but we all assumed it was some Mac guy who just pulled a picture off the internet. But in reality, the poster here was a very "hot" woman who looks like they could be on the cover of Maxim.

Somehow I doubt rdowns is the type to wear blue panties.

[63dot]

Somehow I doubt rdowns is the type to wear blue panties.

How do you know? Do you have proof?

I like to wear ones just like those.

[Rt&Dzine]

How do you know? Do you have proof?

I like to wear ones just like those.

No proof. I guess I shouldn't speculate in PRSI. :p

[IntheNet]

I can't believe 2 people have voted for Obama and 2 more for Biden now.

:confused:

I can't believe one person was allowed to vote 52 times against Palin... can't we organize a fair vote?

[NathanMuir]

I said Moore but Palin was a close second. But I imagine that someone would be behind Palin, telling her what to do or say at all times.

[Rt&Dzine]

:confused:

I can't believe one person was allowed to vote 52 times against Palin... can't we organize a fair vote?

Whaaa . . . so unfair. :p

[63dot]

:confused:

I can't believe one person was allowed to vote 52 times against Palin... can't we organize a fair vote?

I set it up so one can only vote once, and then just for one person.

[Maserati7200]

The main reasons all of you think palin is unqualified is because the media shoved any mistake she made down your throat. They clearly had a bias against her. Example, while Obama was on his campaign, he said he visited 57 states at that point (note we have 50 states). An honest mistake? yeah. he probably meant 47 states. There was little to no coverage on that. Now, imagine if Sarah palin did that. The media would be all over it like teenage boys are with porn. You know it's true. If she did that, I'd bet most of you would tout about how she doesn't know anything and how stupid she was. double standard? I believe so. I don't know enough about sarah's policies and beliefs to say if I would want her in office, so I'm not going to comment on that bit. just keep what i said in mind.

In conclusion, Ron Paul 2012.

[NathanMuir]

The main reasons all of you think palin is unqualified is because the media shoved any mistake she made down your throat. They clearly had a bias against her. Example, while Obama was on his campaign, he said he visited 57 states at that point (note we have 50 states). An honest mistake? yeah. he probably meant 47 states. There was little to no coverage on that. Now, imagine if Sarah palin did that. The media would be all over it like teenage boys are with porn. You know it's true. If she did that, I'd bet most of you would tout about how she doesn't know anything and how stupid she was. double standard? I believe so. I don't know enough about sarah's policies and beliefs to say if I would want her in office, so I'm not going to comment on that bit. just keep what i said in mind.

In conclusion, Ron Paul 2012.

I think the problem that people had with her mistakes, was that she made so many of them on so many different issues at so many different times.

I mean one or two, hell maybe even ten or twenty over the course of a presidential campaign cycle are, I think, acceptable due to the insane schedule they keep.

[63dot]

I am glad this poll got reopened.

Since the poll was closed, I went to the library and got Sarah Palin's book. A third of the way into the book, I have to say it's well written and is not political like I thought it would be from page 1.

What former VP candidate Palin points out very eloquently is who she is, which is a person from a close knit family that believes in education over money. Her dad is an educator with a master's degree who turned down a very lucrative job outside of education. Her mom is also an educator. While I have not found anything in the book that paints Sarah Palin as the next likely spokesperson for Greenpeace, she is definitely no friend to the male dominated Big Oil of Alaska thus very accurately getting the rogue name. While her views don't mesh with the Democrats, they are not much better off with the GOP machine.

I still have 2/3rds of the book to read, but so far I like it very much and it doesn't paint the life of a major party politician who has any chance with the experienced GOP, but perhaps as a one day third party candidate akin to what a Ron Paul could be.

Besides the two parties, where most of my votes have gone all my life, there is always honest debate when a third party person (a rogue) brings in dialogue in ignored matters. Perot, Buchanan, Brown, Anderson, Nader, etc.

There's all this talk about Christian family values, guns, Iraq, and Wall Street. But what about main street and job creation? ... that's where the third party voice comes in.

[rdowns]

A Paul-Kucinich ticket. LOLz. We can call it the Batshite Party.

[63dot]

A Paul-Kucinich ticket. LOLz. We can call it the Batshite Party.

The local Libertarian party here, but in liberal Northern California (who are fond of both men), cannot stop talking about trying to make this happen. While I am a Democrat, but with very strong liberal side Libertarian tendencies, I know this is not possible right away. The left Libertarians will not stop at trying to get one or both of these men to seriously consider. The one thing Libertarians have, left or right, is a persistence no major party organization has. The Republicans and Democrats take their power for granted.

Former democratic Governor Brown of California has been mentioned as a serious name for the Greens, but I also think this is not realistic.

Former Fox and CNN talk show host Pat Buchannan ran for President on a third party ticket with a VP running mate with very different views from his but they shared the fact that they thought W had gone very wrong on foreign policy.

[Sky Blue]

Palin … believes in education over money.

It's weird that she ended up with the latter, not the former, then.

[Rt&Dzine]

. . . Palin . . . is a person from a close knit family that believes in education over money.

It's weird that she ended up with the latter, not the former, then.

According to the way 63dot worded it, she's from a family that believes in education over money. Obviously she didn't follow family tradition. Lynn Vincent sounds like she must be a pretty good ghostwriter.

[rdowns]

According to the way 63dot worded it, she's from a family that believes in education over money. Obviously she didn't follow family tradition. Lynn Vincent sounds like she must be a pretty good ghostwriter.


Oh yeah, she was a real go getter in college.

She attended Hawaii Pacific University in the Fall of 1982 and North Idaho College (whose Alumni Association gave her the Distinguished Alumni Achievement Award in June 2008[17]) in the Spring and Fall of 1983.[18]

In 1984, after winning the Miss Wasilla pageant,[19][20] she finished third in the Miss Alaska pageant,[21][22] receiving the "Miss Congeniality" award and a college scholarship.[15]

She attended the University of Idaho in the Fall of 1984 and Spring of 1985, Matanuska-Susitna College in the Fall of 1985, and the University of Idaho again in the Spring and Fall of 1986 and the Fall of 1987, when she received her Bachelor's degree in communications with an emphasis in journalism.[4][18][23][24]

[63dot]

Oh yeah, she was a real go getter in college.

The fact is that she finished college, where many don't even go, even when they can easily afford to and have time to do so.

But that being said, even if she had a PhD, her neo-conservative GOP side of her party are not big believers in spending for education or for affirmative action.

If Palin ever takes some sort of office again and votes for tax cuts for the rich over money for kids K-12, I don't think that would make her parents very happy. Just because her parents were big believers in education does not mean Palin will follow suit if she remains in the GOP. The biggest insult to education was when George HW Bush called himself the "education" present.

It's pretty well established that the Republicans have education way down on the list of their priorities, especially where it is most needed in the K-12 system as our country falls behind most modernized nations (and no thanks to W for that).

What is more dangerous is when you have a moderate Republican who talks about helping education all day long, like California's Govenator, and in the end, he does not put the money where his mouth is, but somehow the average person thinks he was good for education. At the eleventh hour, he gave funds to the University of California, but took money from the K-12 that the money was earmarked for. While I am a fan of the University of California system, we won't be able to get kids there in the first place if our K-12 is in a shambles. Even GOP candidate Meg Whitman talks about the sad state of California education for our kids in her commercials.

[Sydde]

No one is qualified. These and all others are equally unqualified.