fox News Least Coverage For Hati Quake. Updated

[macfan881]

This is Quite Sad but not surpising. Figures are in for the Coverage on the quake and Fox news Prime time in which Fox barely even touch a total of 6 Minuets . Even there Early afternoon coverag i was slightly browsing threw today and even Cauvito was bashing some Dem Congressman on the Bailouts.

here are the full details of the shows in Coverage detail

http://mediamatters.org/research/201001140029

[IntheNet]

Fox News, Anderson Cooper See Strong Ratings With Haiti Coverage
Mediaite.com
by Steve Krakauer | 6:28 pm, January 14th, 2010
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-news-anderson-cooper-see-strong-ratings-with-haiti-coverage/
• With Haiti coverage dominating the cable news networks Wednesday, Fox News held strong to its #1 spot in total day and prime time, A25-54 demographic and total viewers. But one specific show with strong ratings (and positive critical reaction) was Anderson Cooper’s 10pmET hour on CNN, which was #1 in the demo.
• The top show in both categories was Bill O’Reilly’s 8pmET hour, while Glenn Beck’s interview with Sarah Palin was #2.

[freeny]

Fox News, Anderson Cooper See Strong Ratings With Haiti Coverage
Mediaite.com
by Steve Krakauer | 6:28 pm, January 14th, 2010
• With Haiti coverage dominating the cable news networks Wednesday, Fox News held strong to its #1 spot in total day and prime time, A25-54 demographic and total viewers. But one specific show with strong ratings (and positive critical reaction) was Anderson Cooper’s 10pmET hour on CNN, which was #1 in the demo.
• The top show in both categories was Bill O’Reilly’s 8pmET hour, while Glenn Beck’s interview with Sarah Palin was #2.
Nowhere in that link does it even mention how much Fox news covered the earthquake. Actually, the headline is the only mention of Haiti and then there is just a broad stroke of "cable news networks".

[leekohler]

No big surprise. These people are only known to be concerned with themselves.

[Zombie Acorn]

Full of ****ing ****, I was working for at least 6 hours in which I heard Haiti coverage over and over again. Pack your bags and **** off.

Mediamatters=liberal ****. You are harming yourself by following it.

[MacHipster]

Full of ****ing ****, I was working for at least 6 hours in which I heard Haiti coverage over and over again. Pack your bags and **** off.

Mediamatters=liberal ****. You are harming yourself by following it.

You worked 6 hours between 8 PM and 11PM EST? That's amazing!

[Zombie Acorn]

You worked 6 hours between 8 PM and 11PM EST? That's amazing!

...

[MacHipster]

You must not be able to understand English, I said I worked for at least 6 hours, no where at which point I said that I worked a specific time, btw I probably made more in a day than you will for the next few after evaluating your reading comprehension skills. Do you want fries with that?

Actually, my reading comrehension skills are apt. Macfan881's post and the article states, "Figures are in for the Coverage on the quake and Fox news Primetime in which Fox barely even touch a total of 6 minutes." So, since your reading skills are superior to mine, could you explain how you worked 6 hours between the hours of 8 PM and 11 PM EST?

[Zombie Acorn]

Actually, my reading comrehension skills are apt. Macfan881's post and the article states, "Figures are in for the Coverage on the quake and Fox news Primetime in which Fox barely even touch a total of 6 minutes." So, since your reading skills are superior to mine, could you explain how you worked 6 hours between the hours of 8 PM and 11 PM EST?

Fox news coverage lasts longer then 8pm - 11pm so you might want to tell the original thread poster to rephrase their title. They were covering Haiti all ****ing day.

[Peace]

Just goes to show Fox "news" during prime time isn't news. It's entertainment just like FOX said.

And I might add I just turned to Fox News and it's 10:25PM here and the only thing on is Greta van sustern babbling about some anti-Obama crap.

[Zombie Acorn]

Just goes to show Fox "news" during prime time isn't news. It's entertainment just like FOX said.

They covered it all day, what are they seriously going to do at night? They aren't even supposed to land planes/helis after dark.

[MacHipster]

Fox news coverage lasts longer then 8pm - 11pm so you might want to tell the original thread poster to rephrase their title. They were covering Haiti all ****ing day.

But the issue isn't that Fox News didn't cover the disaster in Haiti, the topic is how Fox News covered (or didn't) the disaster on Haiti during primetime. Your response was:

Full of ****ing ****, I was working for at least 6 hours in which I heard Haiti coverage over and over again. Pack your bags and **** off.

Mediamatters=liberal ****. You are harming yourself by following it.

Again, since your reading comprehension is vastly superior, could you explain the discrepency?

[Zombie Acorn]

But the issue isn't that Fox News didn't cover the disaster in Haiti, the topic is how Fox News covered (or didn't) the disaster on Haiti during primetime. Your response was:



Again, since your reading comprehension is vastly superior, could you explain the discrepency?

I read a thread title, I read a crap article from a biased media source, I call it like it is. They covered the situation well, more people probably saw from fox then anywhere else since they have 10x better ratings then any other ****** station. Job done. They can't land helis at night by protocol, there is nothing to cover during prime time.

[macfan881]

I read a thread title, I read a crap article from a biased media source, I call it like it is. They covered the situation well, more people probably saw from fox then anywhere else since they have 10x better ratings then any other ****** station. Job done. They can't land helis at night by protocol, there is nothing to cover during prime time.

Truth Hurts dont it.

[Zombie Acorn]

Truth Hurts dont it.

Anyone who isn't paying attention to the media today just ate this **** up. Luckily I watched all 4 stations while working so I could call your ********.

[Peace]

Anyone who isn't paying attention to the media today just ate this **** up. Luckily I watched all 4 stations while working so I could call your ********.

Did you watch Greta whatshername at 10-11PM ?

[Zombie Acorn]

Did you watch Greta whatshername at 10-11PM ?

I watch the news, not the prime time smuck fest, after 4pm cst fox news is done. The title of this thread was misleading to say the least.

[Peace]

Fox news coverage lasts longer then 8pm - 11pm so you might want to tell the original thread poster to rephrase their title. They were covering Haiti all ****ing day.

I watch the news, not the prime time smuck fest, after 4pm cst fox news is done. The title of this thread was misleading to say the least.
:confused:

[vipergts2207]

I read a thread title, I read a crap article from a biased media source, I call it like it is. They covered the situation well, more people probably saw from fox then anywhere else since they have 10x better ratings then any other ****** station. Job done. They can't land helis at night by protocol, there is nothing to cover during prime time.

Now you're just backpedaling and making up excuses.

[Surely]

The OP clearly says "Prime time".

Maybe you should calm down, ZA.

The linked article:
The O'Reilly Factor, Hannity, and Glenn Beck -- devoted a combined total of less than 7 minutes of coverage to the earthquake in Haiti, instead choosing to air such things as Beck's hour-long interview with Sarah Palin, Bill O'Reilly's discussion of Comedy Central host Jon Stewart, and Sean Hannity's advocacy for Massachusetts candidate Scott Brown's Senate campaign. By contrast, the content of MSNBC's three top-rated shows underscored the significance of the Haiti disaster; Countdown, The Rachel Maddow Show, and Hardball devoted a total of more than two hours to the earthquake.

How is that liberal bias?

The article specifically talks about FNC PrimeTime. Y'know, Prime time, the time of day when the MOST people are watching. Wouldn't covering a monumental disaster during that time for more than 7 minutes be helpful in spreading the importance of that event to the largest possible audience?

[Zombie Acorn]

:confused:

Day = morning till you get off work. I might have been an ******* earlier and I apoligize to MacHipster, but they did cover the event for most of the day. This thread played it off as if they didn't cover it at all.

[Zombie Acorn]

The OP clearly says "Prime time".

Maybe you should calm down, ZA.

The linked article:


How is that liberal bias?

The article specifically talks about FNC PrimeTime. Y'know, the time of day when the MOST people are watching. Wouldn't covering a monumental disaster during that time for more than 7 minutes be helpful in spreading the importance of that event?

The thread specifically says "fox news least coverage of haiti quake". I read what was in the post, and instantly knew it was ******** having listened to multiple stations all day. Should I calm down? Yes. But it pisses me off that we are firing off on fox again when no one here even bothers to watch it during "news time", they instead watch the opinion times and go off.

Once again protocol doesn't allow helis to land at night, there was nothing to cover.

[Surely]

The thread specifically says "fox news least coverage of haiti quake". I read what was in the post, and instantly knew it was ******** having listened to multiple stations all day. Should I calm down? Yes. But it pisses me off that we are firing off on fox again when no one here even bothers to watch it during "news time", they instead watch the opinion times and go off.

Once again protocol doesn't allow helis to land at night, there was nothing to cover.

Nothing to cover? So WTH are the other channels showing? Nothing. :rolleyes:

If FNC doesn't want that rep, then they should show news during Prime Time. If they choose to show those ridiculous BS opinion-based clown shows during the time period that has the most viewers, they reap the rep that they sow.

People are working during the day, not watching tv. People are home at night, sitting on the couch, watching tv. That's why 8-11pm is prime time.

The OP and the link refer to prime time. Maybe you should read things before you react.

[Peace]

The thread specifically says "fox news least coverage of haiti quake". I read what was in the post, and instantly knew it was ******** having listened to multiple stations all day. Should I calm down? Yes. But it pisses me off that we are firing off on fox again when no one here even bothers to watch it during "news time", they instead watch the opinion times and go off.

Once again protocol doesn't allow helis to land at night, there was nothing to cover.

Maybe Fox should stop calling Hannity,O'Reilley and Beck news programs then.

And before you say they don't call these shows "news" the term "fair and balanced news" is thrown all over those shows.

It might help the un-initiated to understand just what FOX means by the use of the word "news".;)

[Zombie Acorn]

The original post says nothing about prime time, I am not defending fox's prime time coverage, the programming sucks, has no news worth, and is at best comedy well below what I can get from John Stewart on Comedy Network. I do not however like the whole news network to be downplayed because of the prime time showings. Fox does cover most of the major events during the day, just as every other news station does.

[Surely]

The original post says nothing about prime time, I am not defending fox's prime time coverage, the programming sucks, has no news worth, and is at best comedy well below what I can get from John Stewart on Comedy Network. I do not however like the whole news network to be downplayed because of the prime time showings. Fox does cover most of the major events during the day, just as every other news station does.

OP:

This is Quite Sad but not surpising. Figures are in for the Coverage on the quake and Fox news Prime time in which Fox barely even touch a total of 6 Minuets .

Did you even bother to read the link?

[Zombie Acorn]

OP:



Did you even bother to read the link?

No, I was infuriated by the thread title having watched fox today and knowing that they covered it almost the whole day.

[Surely]

No, I was infuriated by the thread title having watched fox today and knowing that they covered it almost the whole day.

Well, read it. If you would have, you wouldn't have flown off the handle.

You were really unnecessarily rough on the OP :p

Their morning/afternoon segments need defending, they get all kinds of congressmen on from both sides, I wish more people watched it during that time instead of during comedy hour (4pm-+) because its actually pretty good most of the time.

The problem is that people work. So people aren't home during the day when FNC is showing news, which I'm sure they consider "filler".

[NathanCH]

You must not be able to understand English, I said I worked for at least 6 hours, no where at which point I said that I worked a specific time, btw I probably made more in a day than you will for the next few after evaluating your reading comprehension skills. Do you want fries with that?

Wow, I bet your e-penis is massive!

By the way (as you've already heard), facts have a liberal bias. It explains EVERYTHING.

[Zombie Acorn]

Well, read it. If you would have, you wouldn't have flown off the handle.



The problem is that people work. So people aren't home during the day when FNC is showing news, which I'm sure they consider "filler".

Fair enough, I already apologized to MacHipster, the thread title just rubbed me wrong. There is no defense for fox's prime time coverage any day, but I wish more people watched during the day as they have a lot of interesting people on.

[Zombie Acorn]

Wow, I bet your e-penis is massive!

By the way (as you've already heard), facts have a liberal bias. It explains EVERYTHING.

I already apologized. I flew off the handle after reading the thread title, deal with it. The fact is that the thread title is wrong.

[Surely]

Fair enough, I already apologized to MacHipster, the thread title just rubbed me wrong.

Hey, at least you man up (unlike some others around here). Good on you.

There is no defense for fox's prime time coverage any day, but I wish more people watched during the day as they have a lot of interesting people on.

I hear what you're saying about their daytime coverage, but to me, that's like saying:

My friend Dave is such a hard worker and is so ambitious. Except at night, he's a crazy drunk that harasses people, sleeps with my girlfriend, trashes my place, steals my stuff, and gets into fights. He's not all bad, so I'm going to stay friends with him.

Maybe not the best analogy, but I think you can understand what I mean.

I just can't trust that channel because they think what they show between 8-11 is acceptable

[Zombie Acorn]

Hey, at least you man up (unlike some others around here). Good on you.

I hear what you're saying about their daytime coverage, but to me, that's like saying:

My friend Dave is such a hard worker and is so ambitious. Except at night, he's a crazy drunk that harasses people, sleeps with my girlfriend, trashes my place, steals my stuff, and gets into fights. He's not all bad, so I'm going to stay friends with him.


I just can't trust that channel.

You don't have to trust them, you can tell when they are biased, especially since we have the net + 4+ other channels to view. I may be lucky in the fact that I get to work sitting on my ass most of the day listening to news while working though.

[Surely]

You don't have to trust them, you can tell when they are biased, especially since we have the net + 4+ other channels to view. I may be lucky in the fact that I get to work sitting on my ass most of the day listening to news while working though.

Maybe you can tell. Maybe I can tell. But not everyone is informed about the world and politics.

But there are millions of people that they are fooling into becoming hateful angry people. It's really sad when you think about it.

[Zombie Acorn]

Maybe you can tell. Maybe I can tell.

But there are millions of people that they are fooling into becoming hateful angry people. It's really sad when you think about it.

I can't argue there, I live in a highly conservative/religious area and I see people getting mad over things they don't fully understand all of the time. "governments taking over my god damn health care", "wait you have medicare don't you".....

Glenn Beck scares me the most to tell the truth. Its like "the network".

[Surely]

I can't argue there, I live in a highly conservative/religious area and I see people getting mad over things they don't fully understand all of the time. "governments taking over my god damn health care", "wait you have medicare don't you".....

Isn't that sad? They don't even know what they're angry about. They've been fed so much fear by the right, that they will never trust anything a dem says, ever.

I live in LA, which is pretty left leaning (duh:p). My wife's cousins, who live in Beverly Hills, are in their late 60's and are right wing. We don't talk politics anymore. They pick up all this bad info from those emails that get circulated around, and believe them as fact. Then, they repeat it to us, and we have to explain why it isn't true. They nod, but they don't believe us. They get this blank look on their faces. We can't even penetrate.

They have all sorts of health problems, their sons have health problems, their premiums are crazy high, yet they still think that even the possibility of health care reform is bad news.

We're going there for dinner tomorrow night. Meh.



Glenn Beck scares me the most to tell the truth. Its like "the network".

Yeah, he's chock full o' nuts.:p

[Zombie Acorn]

Isn't that sad? They don't even know what they're angry about. They've been fed so much fear by the right, that they will never trust anything a dem says, ever.

I live in LA, which is pretty left leaning (duh:p). My wife's cousins, who live in Beverly Hills, are in their late 60's and are right wing. We don't talk politics anymore. They pick up all this bad info from those emails that get circulated around, and believe them as fact. Then, they repeat it to us, and we have to explain why it isn't true. They nod, but they don't believe us. They get this blank look on their faces. We can't even penetrate.

We're going there for dinner tomorrow night. Meh.


Well, know this, anytime I have been proven wrong on these boards my arguments are changed in real life. I will not perpetuate lies or false truths even if I originally believed them to be true. So posting here does have a positive benefit in a mostly conservative area.

I think the left zombies can be quite as bad as the right ones, if we can't live and learn and work together for solutions we are doomed. I have to think that the founders would be rolling in their graves at this point, I know they had many arguments amongst themselves just like anyone else, but the level of gaming and politics that we have brought into it is sickening.

[Surely]

Well, know this, anytime I have been proven wrong on these boards my arguments are changed in real life. I will not perpetuate lies or false truths even if I originally believed them to be true. So posting here does have a positive benefit in a mostly conservative area.

That's good. I'm sure I've learned a thing or two around here as well.

I think that I've actually noticed your change.


I think the left zombies can be quite as bad as the right ones, if we can't live and learn and work together for solutions we are doomed. I have to think that the founders would be rolling in their graves at this point, I know they had many arguments amongst themselves just like anyone else, but the level of gaming and politics that we have brought into it is sickening.

All zombies are idiots (except acorns, of course.....:D). Extremists of any breed are dangerous.

I think politics have been dirty for longer than people remember. But yeah, things seem to be really bad for the past decade or so.

I've really grown tired of a lot of the politics going on today. I've stopped paying as much attention to everything, and you know what? I'm happier for it.

[Eraserhead]

That's good. I'm sure I've learned a thing or two around here as well.

I think that I've actually noticed your change.

Same here.

[spillproof]

Okay, I hate TV news, especially local news. All they care about "BREAKING NEWS!!!!! SOMEONE SHOT!!!! OMG!!!!!"

Seriously, I understand that what happened was devastating and millions of lives are in turmoil. BUT how many times can you watch something and keep hearing about it. I rather know whats up with Obama's heath care bill than having "Earthquake hits Haiti! Thousands dead! Here look at these depressing and heart breaking pictures so you can feel really sad just like them!"

Can't I just have the facts without all the emotional bull***t.

I don't watched TV to become depressed. But don;t get me wrong, I care about my fellow human beings, I donated $100 of my money that I really can't afford to give this month and I'm a member of the Red Cross and am helping organize a fund raiser for the relief efforts on my college campus.

But, hey, thats just me.

[fivepoint]

It's hilarious to watch you guys start frothing about absolutely nothing. It's so representative of your positions on most things... And imagine that... Media Matters leading the stupidity.

Fox News talked about Haiti ALL DAY LONG during their NEWS shows. Probably 90% of the ENTIRE DAY was devoted to HAITI... the shows you're talking about now are POLITICAL OPINION shows, where as CNN at that same time is still very centered upon news.

BECK is not a news man!
HANNITY is not a news man!
O'REILLY is not a news man!

They're paid for political commentary, and the content of their shows (interviews, etc.) are often times planned months in advance. If you wanted to see non-stop constant Haiti news you should have tuned in during virtually any other point in the day.

[mcrain]

BECK is not a news man!
HANNITY is not a news man!
O'REILLY is not a news man!


Good points. Unfortunately, the network they are on bills itself as a 24/7 news channel. There is nothing that I've ever seen to indicate that Beck, Hannity or O'Reilly are not providing news.

Typical O'Reilly question... let's use a hypothetical. Glaciers are melting.

O'Reilly to a right-leaning pundit (notice no left-winger on the show)...
"Why haven't the so-called scientists who have had their allegations of global warming debunked coming forward and admitting their lies? Are they being paid off by the liberal media or do they just want to destroy the fabric of reality?"

Those are the only two choices? Really? He's neutral? As so eloquently stated by fivepoint, he's not a newsman, but he's supposed to be commenting on the news, and where in the news is there anything, in our little hypothetical, anything about proving the science wrong, or destroying the fabric of reality?

Yes, he's a commentator, not a newsman, but he's in a position where when he states things, on a "news" channel as fact, he's seen as commenting on facts, and asking his guests to comment on facts!

If he's entertainment, that's fine, except they've done media studies, and viewers of FoxNews fare the worst on quizes about what's going on in the world.

Listeners to NPR do very well. Viewers of CNN do well. MSNBC do well (and they have very left leaning programming). Viewers of local news do well. People who watch comedy central for their NEWS do better than people who watch FoxNews.

That has to mean something.

(edit) please don't use the tired old - that poll is a liberal media poll... if so, where are the conservative polls showing that foxnews viewers are better educated about facts than the other news outlets?

[rdowns]

They're paid for political commentary, and the content of their shows (interviews, etc.) are often times planned months in advance. If you wanted to see non-stop constant Haiti news you should have tuned in during virtually any other point in the day.

Content planned months in advance? LOL Where do you get this stuff. Other than maybe an author with a book coming out, their shows are a bit more topical than one that was "planned months in advance". Or are you saying that they have a pre-planeed agenda to try and take Obama down. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[yg17]

BECK is not a news man!
HANNITY is not a news man!
O'REILLY is not a news man!

Neither are Matthews, Olbermann and Maddow but each of them dedicated most if not all of their entire show to Haiti (I think Olbermann spent about 10 minutes on health care, the rest was Haiti)

In the meantime, over on Faux, one moron was interviewing another moron about topics that had nothing to do with Haiti.

[VenusianSky]

I can't believe that a thread was started to discuss which news source has more coverage of the situation in Haiti. I watch CNN every night, and I personally have seen enough of the same thing over and over. I understand that it is going to be the primary focus of all media for the next several weeks, and the coverage is appreciated, but I can only watch it for so long. Who knows what else is going on in the world right now.

A thread like this is an example of how powerful and influential the media is.

[fivepoint]

This is hilarious! Haha, the pure left wing bias is on display... you guys will make an issue out of anything, as long as it damages someone on the right! :)

I wonder why Olbermann and Maddow spent so much time on Haiti, when the entire day had already been devoted to duplicating the same exact video clips and information tidbits for the past 24 hours? Of course, I guess it doesn't really mater since there are like 5 people watching their shows at any given time.

Maybe you guys should be producers of theses programs so you can help dictate that they spend more time on their political commentary shows talking about things that have already been talked about to no end by the news sections of their business. You might lose your job though as the viewership for these programs dropped down to Olbermann and Maddow levels. ;)

[rdowns]

This is hilarious! Haha, the pure left wing bias is on display... you guys will make an issue out of anything, as long as it damages someone on the right! :)

I wonder why Olbermann and Maddow spent so much time on Haiti, when the entire day had already been devoted to duplicating the same exact video clips and information tidbits for the past 24 hours? Of course, I guess it doesn't really mater since there are like 5 people watching their shows at any given time.

Maybe you guys should be producers of theses programs so you can help dictate that they spend more time on their political commentary shows talking about things that have already been talked about to no end by the news sections of their business. You might lose your job though as the viewership for these programs dropped down to Olbermann and Maddow levels. ;)


Nonsense. The vast majority on non-FOX News viewers have day jobs and expect to be able to get important, breaking news when they get home, regardless of what is normally scheduled.

[yg17]

This is hilarious! Haha, the pure left wing bias is on display... you guys will make an issue out of anything, as long as it damages someone on the right! :)

I wonder why Olbermann and Maddow spent so much time on Haiti, when the entire day had already been devoted to duplicating the same exact video clips and information tidbits for the past 24 hours? Of course, I guess it doesn't really mater since there are like 5 people watching their shows at any given time.

Maybe you guys should be producers of theses programs so you can help dictate that they spend more time on their political commentary shows talking about things that have already been talked about to no end by the news sections of their business. You might lose your job though as the viewership for these programs dropped down to Olbermann and Maddow levels. ;)

I don't know about the people who watch Faux News, but I have a job, and by the time I get home and get settled in, it's about 6:00 and I like being able to turn on the TV and seeing news about the top story for the day. It may be old news to someone who sits in front of the TV all day, but for those of us who work, it's new news.

[fivepoint]

Nonsense. The vast majority on non-FOX News viewers have day jobs and expect to be able to get important, breaking news when they get home, regardless of what is normally scheduled.

I don't know about the people who watch Faux News, but I have a job, and by the time I get home and get settled in, it's about 6:00 and I like being able to turn on the TV and seeing news about the top story for the day. It may be old news to someone who sits in front of the TV all day, but for those of us who work, it's new news.

Why you two would make comments which fly in the face of facts, I really don't know. Clearly the viewers of these programs, which far and away outnumber the viewers on other stations, are making a purposeful decision to watch these opinion programs over the same old liberal leaning news outlets they've probably been bombarded with already during the day. They got it as they watched their local news getting ready in the morning, in the newspaper they read over lunch, or what they've seen on the internet during the day. Clearly, the producers at FOX know EXACTLY what people want to watch when they get home from a long day at work... and it isn't the same drivel they've absorbed during the day.

[IntheNet]

Neither are Matthews, Olbermann and Maddow but each of them dedicated most if not all of their entire show to Haiti...

:rolleyes:

So when is the massive monument in Haiti going to be built to honor Matthews, Olbermann and Maddow?

~

Most of the Fox news programming has been on Haiti, exclusively, without break since the tragedy occurred...

[benflick]

Who really cares how much news coverage Fox dedicates to the Haiti earthquake? By now we have heard pretty much all we can about the devastation. If you want coverage of Haiti, here's an idea, DON'T WATCH FOX NEWS! There, problem solved.

[obeygiant]

I guess its ironic that I first found out about the Haitian Earthquake off FNC then again on their website. I'll admit I do have impeccable timing.

Maybe the other channels show more footage because it takes longer for their viewers to process. :)

[mcrain]

I guess its ironic that I first found out about the Haitian Earthquake off FNC then again on their website.

No, it is ironic that Obama responded to the underwear bomber in about half the time that Bush Jr. responded to the shoe bomber AND Obama's administration is responding in about half the time to Haiti as Bush did to Katrina.

[Tomorrow]

Figures are in for the Coverage on the quake and Fox news Prime time in which Fox barely even touch a total of 6 Minuets .

I call bullshtuff.

First of all, the article you cited says that three shows on Fox News combined for seven minutes of coverage on Haiti. That doesn't count the rest of the day.

Second, Fox News has been on every TV in the office the past few days, and it's hard to walk by without seeing something on the destruction in Haiti. Just because Beck and O'Reilly aren't covering it doesn't mean the network as a whole isn't.

Third, just suppose for sake of argument that Fox is covering Haiti less than say, CNN or MSNBC - so what? Is it really so much of a pissing contest to you that one network provides 20 hours of coverage on one topic whereas another provides 18, and you hang your hat on that and call it a victory?

The article is a ridiculous excuse for a news story.

[iBlue]

This is hilarious! Haha, the pure left wing bias is on display... you guys will make an issue out of anything, as long as it damages someone on the right!

http://upc.edesignuk.com/uploads/macros/WTFkettleCensored.jpg

Your statement is hilarious.


But I'll echo some previously mentioned sentiments that pointing out which news channel has what amount of coverage of the Haitian earthquake is rather absurd.

[Eraserhead]

I call bullshtuff.

First of all, the article you cited says that three shows on Fox News combined for seven minutes of coverage on Haiti. That doesn't count the rest of the day.

Absolutely, as the OP says it only covers the prime time period.

Who really cares how much news coverage Fox dedicates to the Haiti earthquake?

Because news channels usually cover major events like this with at least some coverage even when they have other programming on.

When the US spy plane went down in China and then the US servicemen were flown back to Hawaii in 2002 or whenever it was I was on holiday and switched on BBC World and we got to see live coverage of the servicemen walking across the tarmac at honolulu airport and to see a speech by Bush on the matter and that was live and interrupted whatever else I wanted to watch at the time.

Even when they are showing long current-affairs programs BBC World have the first 10 minutes of the hour devoted to showing the headlines and that's even when there isn't an important story like this to cover.

(see http://www.bbcworldnews.com/Pages/Schedules.aspx? for what its like)

[Tomorrow]

... viewers of FoxNews fare the worst on quizes about what's going on in the world.

Listeners to NPR do very well. Viewers of CNN do well. MSNBC do well (and they have very left leaning programming). Viewers of local news do well. People who watch comedy central for their NEWS do better than people who watch FoxNews.

That has to mean something.

Sounds like it means you're better than other people because you don't watch Fox News.

Look, if you like to watch news networks for news, fine. Have fun. Knock yourself out. Whatever floats your boat, I don't give a ****. If you like one network over another, that's fine too. I can get behind that. No big deal.

I don't watch news networks, not Fox, not CNN, not MSNBC, none of them. I don't like watching the same goddamn story over and over and over throughout the day. It doesn't make any sense to me. I don't like listening to *******s like Olbermann, O'Reilley, Beck, or any of those other tools spew their mindless drivel either. I don't really give a **** what someone like that thinks about the news, I just want to know what the news is. I'll decide for myself what I think about it.

If you want to get up on your high horse and proclaim yourself better (even with the vague assertion that it "has to mean something") than someone else simply because you get your news from a different source, then kindly get lost. You'll find a lot of people in this thread and elsewhere in these forums that may agree with you, but you're not helping or contributing to any type of real discussion by posting **** like this.

[Eraserhead]

Sounds like it means you're better than other people because you don't watch Fox News.

No, there have been quite a lot of surveys done which shows Fox News watchers are significantly more ill-informed on issues like WMD's in Iraq than those who watch/read other media sources.

[IntheNet]

...AND Obama's administration is responding in about half the time to Haiti as Bush did to Katrina...

All things being equal, generally earthquake disasters are much easier for first responders to attend to than comparable hurricanes/floods; following earthquakes, once main roads are made passable, aid/medical supplies can be trucked throughout site! That pesky neck-deep water in the Gulf states following Katrina delayed aid for days until water level receded before aid could be delivered to survivors. Moreover, response in Haiti is already being criticized due to delays...

Desperation and Anger in Haiti as Aid Is Snarled
Associated Press
Friday, January 15, 2010
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,583084,00.html
Desperate Haitians dig with their hands, searching collapsed homes for quake survivors, as impatience and anger grow over slow distribution of food, water, other aid.

[obeygiant]

No, it is ironic that Obama responded to the underwear bomber in about half the time that Bush Jr. responded to the shoe bomber AND Obama's administration is responding in about half the time to Haiti as Bush did to Katrina.

How is that ironic and how does it relate to this topic?

[rdowns]

How is that ironic and how does it relate to this topic?

There are those who think FOX is not covering Haiti much in prime time so as not to let their viewers see Obama in a positive light. They would prefer to push the notion that the US was not attacked under Bush.

[Eraserhead]

All things being equal, generally earthquake disasters are much easier for first responders to attend to than comparable hurricanes/floods; following earthquakes, once main roads are made passable, aid/medical supplies can be trucked throughout site! That pesky neck-deep water in the Gulf states following Katrina delayed aid for days until water level receded before aid could be delivered to survivors.

Then again the US is a fully developed country with excellent infrastructure and Haiti is an undeveloped country with very poor infrastructure at the best of times.

[mcrain]

All things being equal, generally earthquake disasters are much easier for first responders to attend to than comparable hurricanes/floods; following earthquakes, once main roads are made passable, aid/medical supplies can be trucked throughout site! That pesky neck-deep water in the Gulf states following Katrina delayed aid for days until water level receded before aid could be delivered to survivors. Moreover, response in Haiti is already being criticized due to delays...

Desperation and Anger in Haiti as Aid Is Snarled
Associated Press
Friday, January 15, 2010
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,583084,00.html
Desperate Haitians dig with their hands, searching collapsed homes for quake survivors, as impatience and anger grow over slow distribution of food, water, other aid.

Have you seen the roads in Haiti? Most of them are impassible. Oh, and neck deep water in the gulf? News crews got in... and oh wait, HAITI IS AN ISLAND! IT'S SURROUNDED BY AN OCEAN!

[Tomorrow]

HAITI IS AN ISLAND! IT'S SURROUNDED BY AN OCEAN!

OMG GEOGRAPHY FAIL!!!

Haiti is a country on an island, surrounded by ocean the Caribbean and the Dominican Republic.

[mcrain]

How is that ironic and how does it relate to this topic?

It's ironic because this thread is about FoxNews and Haiti. What I posted referred to FoxNews' bashing of Obama for taking "100 hours" to respond to the underwear bomber... it took Bush far longer to respond to the shoe bomber...

The other irony is that our response to Haiti has been far faster than the response to Katrina.

Irony...

OMG GEOGRAPHY FAIL!!!

Haiti is a country on an island, surrounded by ocean the Caribbean and the Dominican Republic.

To get to Haiti from the US, you must cross a large body of water... Yes, it's in the Caribbean. Yes, the Dominican Republic shares the same island.

My point is still valid. It requires crossing far more than neck deep water.

OMG GEOGRAPHY FAIL!!!

Haiti is a country on an island, surrounded by ocean the Caribbean and the Dominican Republic.

And since you are basically saying I'm stupid, take a look at a map. There's a huge blue thing there called the Atlantic Ocean. Last time I checked, there weren't fences between the Atlantic Ocean and the Caribbean sea. In fact, most maps show the Atlantic Ocean all the way to the island upon which Haiti sits.

(edit) The Caribbean sea has as its northern boundary, the island of Haiti/Dominican Republic. The other side of the island is the Atlantic Ocean.

So I should have said the island upon which Haiti sits is surrounded by both Ocean and Sea... My point is still valid.

[rdowns]

All things being equal, generally earthquake disasters are much easier for first responders to attend to than comparable hurricanes/floods; following earthquakes, once main roads are made passable, aid/medical supplies can be trucked throughout site! That pesky neck-deep water in the Gulf states following Katrina delayed aid for days until water level receded before aid could be delivered to survivors. Moreover, response in Haiti is already being criticized due to delays…



Seriously? You're trying to re-write Bush's Katrina legacy now. You're doing a hell of a job IntheNetty.

[flopticalcube]

Given that the only road to the airport was made impassable by the quake, I think the current rescue effort is about as good as can be expected. The airport is actually full and further flights had to be curtailed until they could get the planes already there out.

[IntheNet]

You're trying to re-write Bush's Katrina legacy now.

You were denied the facts at the time!

[yg17]

All things being equal, generally earthquake disasters are much easier for first responders to attend to than comparable hurricanes/floods; following earthquakes, once main roads are made passable, aid/medical supplies can be trucked throughout site! That pesky neck-deep water in the Gulf states following Katrina delayed aid for days until water level receded before aid could be delivered to survivors. Moreover, response in Haiti is already being criticized due to delays...

Desperation and Anger in Haiti as Aid Is Snarled
Associated Press
Friday, January 15, 2010
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,583084,00.html
Desperate Haitians dig with their hands, searching collapsed homes for quake survivors, as impatience and anger grow over slow distribution of food, water, other aid.

There's a solution for that pesky deep water: A boat! Now you're just making excuses for the Bush administration.

[mcrain]

Given that the only road to the airport was made impassable by the quake, I think the current rescue effort is about as good as can be expected. The airport is actually full and further flights had to be curtailed until they could get the planes already there out.

I saw on the news that there were planes from as far away as China! They would have had to get their cargo ready and take off within hours to get there that quickly. Amazing how people all over the world are helping. It reminds me of the response to the tsunami. People from everywhere put aside their differences and helped. Amazing.

[leekohler]

No, it is ironic that Obama responded to the underwear bomber in about half the time that Bush Jr. responded to the shoe bomber AND Obama's administration is responding in about half the time to Haiti as Bush did to Katrina.

No. It's sad. It's sad that they cannot recognize that these matters have been handled better, and in a more timely fashion by Obama. Irony has nothing to do with it.

I saw on the news that there were planes from as far away as China! They would have had to get their cargo ready and take off within hours to get there that quickly. Amazing how people all over the world are helping. It reminds me of the response to the tsunami. People from everywhere put aside their differences and helped. Amazing.

Everyone except certain conservative Americans, who would rather politicize an earthquake.

[yg17]

Everyone except certain conservative Americans, who would rather politicize an earthquake.

Yeah, what they're doing is absolutely disgusting. They have no shame.

[mcrain]

You were denied the facts at the time!

Wow. The Bush administration would NEVER deny the American people facts. Blasphemor!

[Peace]

So FOX covers the earthquake all day right?

It's 9:22AM here in Portland and FOX News has 3 stewardesses from the plane that landed in the Hudson on talking about what they do now.

So I switched to a network that can give me up to date info on the earthquake.


Just sayin'.

[IntheNet]

who would rather politicize an earthquake.

:rolleyes:

Check OP thread starter...

[MattSepeta]

Settle down guys...

Remember when it took the lib media weeks to mention the east anglia email hacks?

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/11/24/climategate-totally-ignored-tv-news-outlets-except-fox


So lets not go trying to discredit Fox News because they did not cover a natural disaster enough for your apathetic standards.

And if you want to talk about milking a terrible occurrence for political gains, just wait. I guarantee that you will start seeing/hearing reports on nbc, msnbc, abc, about how "climate change" played a "key role" in the haiti quake.

PS Let the ratings speak. People like watching Fox News, and the people deserve more credit than liberals give them.

pps I just ran across this site today, its hilarious.
http://goantigreen.com/climate-raising-tips/

I cant tell if its serious or not, but hilarious nonetheless.

[Peace]

You're comparing an email hack to the deaths of possibly 500,000 people ?

That's sick

[Surely]

You're comparing an email hack to the deaths of possibly 500,000 people ?

That's sick

They've gotta grasp at something to maintain their belief system.....

[NathanMuir]

You're comparing an email hack to the deaths of possibly 500,000 people ?

That's sick

I don't think that he was saying that the stories are comparable.

I think that he's saying that there are certian stories that various news agencies choose to ignore or give little coverage to.

[Eraserhead]

I don't think that he was saying that the stories are comparable.

I think that he's saying that there are certian stories that various news agencies choose to ignore or give little coverage to.

Good point.

However given that the climate change emails don't actually reveal anything particularly exciting (unless you're a hardcore climate-denier) and the story is a domestic British one its not a total surprise that the US networks didn't cover it at first.

[macfan881]

I don't think that he was saying that the stories are comparable.

I think that he's saying that there are certian stories that various news agencies choose to ignore or give little coverage to.

yes but its still wrong and sick that a "News" and i use that lightly channel such as fox has more coverage about Attacking Obama or the so called E-mails is more important than people dieng times like this we really need to put the crap aside and help people that are in need.

[Peace]

I don't think that he was saying that the stories are comparable.

I think that he's saying that there are certian stories that various news agencies choose to ignore or give little coverage to.


Yes. It's called prioritizing.
Take CNN for example. I've been watching it most of the night and they think it's good to let the survivors of the earthquake get messages out via TV to let their family know they are alive.

Fox decided it's best to bash the administration for whatever reason.

[NathanMuir]

Yes. It's called prioritizing.
Take CNN for example. I've been watching it most of the night and they think it's good to let the survivors of the earthquake get messages out via TV to let their family know they are alive.

I seriously doubt that that many Haitians have that many family members in the US. If their family members are in Haiti then there is no point what so ever as I doubt anyone in Haiti has the time right to sit around and watch TV.

Letting these people speak out to their supposed family members just increases the drama factor and draws viewers because they have a family that they can relate to. Why can't these news agencies let these people call their family members? Surely this would be more private and beneficial for the family.

Fox decided it's best to bash the administration for whatever reason.

What goes around comes around. No one is making you watch a certian station. Change the channel if you don't like it. That's what I do.

[Surely]

I seriously doubt that that many Haitians have that many family members in the US. If their family members are in Haiti then there is no point what so ever as I doubt anyone in Haiti has the time right to sit around and watch TV.

Letting these people speak out to their supposed family members just increases the drama factor and draws viewers because they have a family that they can relate to. Why can't these news agencies let these people call their family members? Surely this would be more private and beneficial for the family.


Well, if you seriously doubt it, it must be the case. :rolleyes:

From wikipedia:

In short, there is good reason to believe that the Haitian diaspora in the United States exceeds 850,000, and according to community leaders may be close to 1 million.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_immigration_to_the_United_States_and_Canada

I think you missed the point. CNN is letting Haitians in Haiti speak on tv to tell their family members in the US that they are still alive.

[Peace]

I seriously doubt that that many Haitians have that many family members in the US. If their family members are in Haiti then there is no point what so ever as I doubt anyone in Haiti has the time right to sit around and watch TV.

Letting these people speak out to their supposed family members just increases the drama factor and draws viewers because they have a family that they can relate to. Why can't these news agencies let these people call their family members? Surely this would be more private and beneficial for the family.



What goes around comes around. No one is making you watch a certian station. Change the channel if you don't like it. That's what I do.

Indeed!! That's why I watch CNN. They provide good news coverage and at the same time a public service.

ymDv

[bradl]

I seriously doubt that that many Haitians have that many family members in the US. If their family members are in Haiti then there is no point what so ever as I doubt anyone in Haiti has the time right to sit around and watch TV.


There are about 5000 of them in Las Vegas alone (http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=doc&p_docid=12D412149D3737B0&p_docnum=1). Add that to Miami's Little Haiti's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Haiti#Demographics) 30100, and the couple hundred thousand that fled from Aristide, and you get roughly 420,000 Haitians living in the US (http://www.migrationinformation.org/USfocus/display.cfm?id=214).

A lot of them are probably looking to people like Jimmy Jean-Louis (http://www.jimmyjeanlouis.com/) to get the word out too, which he is. So while there isn't a significant amount of them here (they number roughly the population of the entire city of Omaha), there are a fair number of them here.


Letting these people speak out to their supposed family members just increases the drama factor and draws viewers because they have a family that they can relate to. Why can't these news agencies let these people call their family members? Surely this would be more private and beneficial for the family.


They probably are, in a humanitarian sense, and as private citizens, the individuals are. As for doing as representing a network? they should. That would actually get some good ratings, if not, perhaps a good nod towards a Jefferson Award or Pulitzer.

BL.

[NathanMuir]

I think you missed the point. CNN is letting Haitians in Haiti speak on tv to tell their family members in the US that they are still alive.

No, I understood that. Perhaps I should have said direct family members, i.e. mother, father, sister, brother or grandparent. Not their second or third cousin twice removed. In other words, the kind of people you actually speak to once or twice a month. The kind of people who care about you through out the year, not the type who only care when they can benefit off your fortune or in this case, misfortune and get on TV.

Indeed!! That's why I watch CNN. They provide good news coverage and at the same time a public service.

As do I. CNN and ABC Nightly News are the only news programs I watch.

There are about 5000 of them in Las Vegas alone. Add that to Miami's Little Haiti's 30100, and the couple hundred thousand that fled from Aristide, and you get roughly 420,000 Haitians living in the US.

A lot of them are probably looking to people like Jimmy Jean-Louis to get the word out too, which he is. So while there isn't a significant amount of them here (they number roughly the population of the entire city of Omaha), there are a fair number of them here.

Refer to my first response.

Also, assuming 420,000 is an accurate figure and a total US population of 300 million, that works out to 0.0014 of the US population. I'd hardly call that a fair number.

That would actually get some good ratings...

Just because it gets ratings doesn't mean you should report it and air it. For example, anything FOX News does and anything to do with pop culture.

[Surely]

No, I understood that. Perhaps I should have said direct family members, i.e. mother, father, sister, brother or grandparent. Not their second or third cousin twice removed. In other words, the kind of people you actually speak to once or twice a month. The kind of people who care about you through out the year, not the type who only care when they can benefit off your fortune or in this case, misfortune and get on TV.

That is an absurd and ridiculous statement. Wow.

Family is family. It doesn't matter how close you are with each other.

How are people benefiting (besides by letting people know that they are alive) by going on tv to tell their family that they are still alive?

You have a warped sense of humanity.



Also, assuming 420,000 is an accurate figure and a total US population of 300 million, that works out to 0.0014 of the US population. I'd hardly call that a fair number.


You'd "hardly call" nearly a half million people a "fair number"?!?

Who gives a crap about the percentage of the total population of the US? How does that have to do with anything? 420,000 people is a lot of people.

Of course, you completely ignored my above post that states that there may be nearly 1 million Haitians living in the US. Do you consider that an acceptable number of people?

You know, if you're wrong, you're wrong. You don't have to pull this kind of crap. Absurd.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

No, I understood that. Perhaps I should have said direct family members, i.e. mother, father, sister, brother or grandparent. Not their second or third cousin twice removed. In other words, the kind of people you actually speak to once or twice a month. The kind of people who care about you through out the year, not the type who only care when they can benefit off your fortune or in this case, misfortune and get on TV.You have a sick sense of priority.

[bradl]

Also, assuming 420,000 is an accurate figure and a total US population of 300 million, that works out to 0.0014 of the US population. I'd hardly call that a fair number.


Hardly a fair number?

Consider this:

Des Moines, IA. Population: 556,230.
Oklahoma City, OK. Population: 551,789.
Haitian Population: 420,000.
Mobile, AL (Metro Area). Population: 399,843.
Wichita, KS. Population: 360,420.
Tallahassee, FL. Population: (city) 171,922 (Metro) 357259
Lincoln, NE. Population: 292,219.
Jackson, MS. Population: 156,382.
Columbia, SC. Population: 127,029.
Santa Fe, NM. Population: 72,056.

Currently, the Haitian population is larger than *7* of the capital cities in this country, and you don't think that's a fair number? Omaha (just the city, not the surrounding suburbs) has a population just over 480,000. That's the largest city in the state of Nebraska, and Jackson is the largest in MS. That's some serious numbers, in comparison.

BL.

[NathanMuir]

That is an absurd and ridiculous statement. Wow.

Family is family. It doesn't matter how close you are with each other.

How are people benefiting (besides by letting people know that they are alive) by going on tv to tell their family that they are still alive?

You have a warped sense of humanity.

I'm related to Patrick Henry (Give me liberty or give me death) by 2nd cousins and had I been alive in the late 1700s I wouldn't have been running around saying how sad I was that the once governor of Virginia and hero of the American Revolution was dead. I would not have known him nearly that well and thus would have cared very little.


You'd "hardly call" nearly a half million people a "fair number"?!?

Who gives a crap about the percentage of the total population of the US? How does that have to do with anything? 420,000 people is a lot of people.

Of course, you completely ignored my above post that states that there may be nearly 1 million Haitians living in the US. Do you consider that an acceptable number of people?

You know, if you're wrong, you're wrong. You don't have to pull this kind of crap. Absurd.

Ok, so double that to 0.0028. That was simple math. As the saying goes; the death one person is a tragedy, the death a <insert number like 500,000 or one million> is a statistic. Is it unfortunate? Yes. Was it avoidable? No. The millions of people who have died in Africa as a result of war, hunger or disease are an example of avoidable deaths.

People with opinions rarely think that they're wrong. ;)

[TuffLuffJimmy]

I'm related to Patrick Henry (Give me liberty or give me death) by 2nd cousins and had I been alive in the late 1700s I wouldn't have been running around saying how sad I was that the once governor of Virginia and hero of the American Revolution was dead. I would not have known him nearly that well and thus would have cared very little.




Ok, so double that to 0.0028. That was simple math. As the saying goes; the death one person is a tragedy, the death a <insert number like 500,000 or one million> is a statistic. Is it unfortunate? Yes. Was it avoidable? No. The millions of people who have died in Africa as a result of war, hunger or disease are an example of avoidable deaths.

People with opinions rarely think that they're wrong. ;)
Thank god there aren't as many Haitians as Americans. It will make it a lot easier to help them. :)

[NathanMuir]

Thank god there aren't as many Haitians as Americans. It will make it a lot easier to help them. :)

Agreed. :)

[CorvusCamenarum]

Consider this:

Des Moines, IA. Population: 556,230.
Oklahoma City, OK. Population: 551,789.
Haitian Population: 420,000.
Mobile, AL (Metro Area). Population: 399,843.
Wichita, KS. Population: 360,420.
Tallahassee, FL. Population: (city) 171,922 (Metro) 357259
Lincoln, NE. Population: 292,219.
Jackson, MS. Population: 156,382.
Columbia, SC. Population: 127,029.
Santa Fe, NM. Population: 72,056.

BL.

Not to nitpick, but Mobile isn't a state capital. You want Montgomery, population 469,000 (metro area).

[Iscariot]

I'm all for fostering media transparency and journalistic integrity, but this just seems like pointless ball-busting to me. What was the moral of that boy crying wolf again…?

[Surely]

I'm related to Patrick Henry (Give me liberty or give me death) by 2nd cousins and had I been alive in the late 1700s I wouldn't have been running around saying how sad I was that the once governor of Virginia and hero of the American Revolution was dead. I would not have known him nearly that well and thus would have cared very little.


Just because you don't care about your relatives, doesn't mean others shouldn't either.

The Haitians that are going on tv aren't going on to get famous or rich (how would they from going on CNN for 60 seconds?:confused:)- they want to find out if their families are okay.



Ok, so double that to 0.0028. That was simple math. As the saying goes; the death one person is a tragedy, the death a <insert number like 500,000 or one million> is a statistic. Is it unfortunate? Yes. Was it avoidable? No. The millions of people who have died in Africa as a result of war, hunger or disease are an example of avoidable deaths.

People with opinions rarely think that they're wrong. ;)

Again- why does the percentage even matter? It doesn't. Who cares if it's simple math? It's irrelevant.

I don't consider that many deaths to be a statistic. Many lives will be forever changed because of all of those deaths.

Was it avoidable? Yes, it was actually. If Haiti wasn't such a poor country, they would have been able to build proper buildings that would have been able to better withstand the earthquake. Would everyone have survived? Probably not, but less would have died. Read why it is such a poor country. (http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/13/haitis-real-deal-wit.html)

Intelligent people learn to adapt their opinions based on new and relevant evidence.

[NathanMuir]

I don't consider that many deaths to be a statistic. Many lives will be forever changed because of all of those deaths.

In a world population of over six billion, the difference will not even be marginally great.


Was it avoidable? Yes, it was actually. If Haiti wasn't such a poor country, they would have been able to build proper buildings that would have been able to better withstand the earthquake. Would everyone have survived? Probably not, but less would have died. Read why it is such a poor country. (http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/13/haitis-real-deal-wit.html)

Intelligent people learn to adapt their opinions based on new and relevant evidence.

I could really care less about why people are poor.

[Peace]

In a world population of over six billion, the difference will not even be marginally great.




I could really care less about why people are poor.

Thank you for that statement. You just made my ignore list hit 10!!

[leekohler]

I could really care less about why people are poor.

If you don't care "why" things happen, you're going to lead a very frustrating life. "Why" is the most important question one can ask, and gives you the best information on how to correct any situation.

[Surely]

^^^^^ Agreed, Lee.



In a world population of over six billion, the difference will not even be marginally great.

Again, irrelevant.

To the people who are affected it matters- which include friends and relatives of the people who died.


I could really care less about why people are poor.

That's sad.

But really, you should read the link- it'll take 5 minutes- why perpetuate your ignorance?

[Queso]

If you don't care "why" things happen, you're going to lead a very frustrating life. "Why" is the most important question one can ask, and gives you the best information on how to correct any situation.
"How" questions are normally better IMO. You're more likely to get a straight answer. "Why" tends to invite opinion rather than fact.

Anyway, that's getting a bit off-topic. Carry on :o

[leekohler]

"How" questions are normally better IMO. You're more likely to get a straight answer. "Why" tends to invite opinion rather than fact.

Anyway, that's getting a bit off-topic. Carry on :o

"Why" and "how" are the most important. "Why" is only opinion if you ask someone why they did something. "How" also invites opinion.

[Eraserhead]

Ok, so double that to 0.0028. That was simple math. As the saying goes; the death one person is a tragedy, the death a <insert number like 500,000 or one million> is a statistic.

Isn't quoting Stalin basically the same as quoting Hitler?

[Surely]

Isn't quoting Stalin basically the same as quoting Hitler?

And..... Godwinned.

Lol

Well done, sir.

[ArrowSmith]

I'd love to see liberals make a scandal out of this. Bottom line is the American people just don't give a **** about Haiti or any 3rd world hellhole. Fox News makes a correct business decision to not piss off their viewership!

[Peace]

I'd love to see liberals make a scandal out of this. Bottom line is the American people just don't give a **** about Haiti or any 3rd world hellhole. Fox News makes a correct business decision to not piss off their viewership!

Well since you're obviously not a liberal I'd say the chance of liberals making a scandal out of this is close to nill. If anyone does it it will be FOX itself.

[Surely]

I'd love to see liberals make a scandal out of this. Bottom line is the American people just don't give a **** about Haiti or any 3rd world hellhole. Fox News makes a correct business decision to not piss off their viewership!

That's simply untrue. Nice blanket statement:rolleyes:

There are plenty of Americans that give a ****.

[Eraserhead]

Haiti

You realise that its the poorest country in the Americas and its troubles are basically directly the fault of the US and France, which isn't something you can say about many other countries.

[bradl]

I'm related to Patrick Henry (Give me liberty or give me death) by 2nd cousins and had I been alive in the late 1700s I wouldn't have been running around saying how sad I was that the once governor of Virginia and hero of the American Revolution was dead. I would not have known him nearly that well and thus would have cared very little.


My people (Choctaw Indian Tribe) have been here longer, and if I had been alive when they were, I sure as hell would want to know if my relatives are dead or not, especially over something like your people's greed in wanting our land, and nearly killing all of us for it.

I'd want to know as much about them as I could, because without them, I wouldn't be here today.

Jimmy Jean-Louis' mother, and Wyclef Jean's family are all still there, and with no way to get hold of them, they would be more than happy to see their faces on TV and know that they are alive. Walk a mile.


Not to nitpick, but Mobile isn't a state capital. You want Montgomery, population 469,000 (metro area).

That I would. Thank you!

BL.

[beatzfreak]

You realise that its the poorest country in the Americas and its troubles are basically directly the fault of the US and France, which isn't something you can say about many other countries.

Who cares when you can see Sarah Palin three nights in a row on Fox News.

[NathanMuir]

Isn't quoting Stalin basically the same as quoting Hitler?

Nice job trying to compare me to Hitler via Stalin.

I suppose I should have elaborated on the meaning of quote. If one person dies at one moment, then chances are you can get to know that person intimately. In other words, you can attempt to actually know that person. Like the soldier that was killed in NC by her soldier boyfriend. The country heard about the story intimately and felt a connection.

When thousands or hundreds of thousands of people die, the time surrounding this event(s) is so choatic that no one person is really acknowledged by the community or nation. Only the persons nuclear family takes time to acknowledge their passing.

Are we hearing an intimate story about every person that died in Haiti over the past couple of days? No. Now how many times have news agencies mentioned the death toll? Almost like it's a statistic or something...

Personal vs. Non-personal.

Wasn't appeasing Hitler like giving Stalin the green light to keep going?

[NathanMuir]

Jimmy Jean-Louis' mother, and Wyclef Jean's family are all still there, and with no way to get hold of them, they would be more than happy to see their faces on TV and know that they are alive. Walk a mile.

See, this is what gets me. The celebrity culture that exists among people. Why should we care about their families over anyone elses?

Could it be that if they were to come on CNN that the ratings would go up because people feel a connection with their lives because we hear about them more?

Edit:

I know this isnt what you meant, but can you see how it looks?

[bradl]

See, this is what gets me. The celebrity culture that exists among people. Why should we care about their families over anyone elses?

Could it be that if they were to come on CNN that the ratings would go up because people feel a connection with their lives because we hear about them more?

Edit:

I know this isnt what you meant, but can you see how it looks?

Because he actually has a cause bigger than himself? Because they care more than just about themselves or their family? If you went to a foreign country and all you saw were people harping on the country you're from, you'd defend it, wouldn't you?

That's because there is a bigger cause than just you. It's the country you're from, and the people you are representing. Jimmy and Wyclef are doing the exact same thing: Putting their people and their country before themselves.

Besides.. what makes you think that they are doing this just for the earthquake? Here: Enlighten yourself (http://www.hufh.org/mission.html).

BL.

[NathanMuir]

Besides.. what makes you think that they are doing this just for the earthquake? Here: Enlighten yourself (http://www.hufh.org/mission.html).

BL.

Every celebrity has a pet cause they promote along with themselves. It looks good to the public. Who knows, perhaps this is actually a cause they care about and not just something to stick their name on.

[Peterkro]

You realise that its the poorest country in the Americas and its troubles are basically directly the fault of the US and France, which isn't something you can say about many other countries.

I'm confused are you saying that it's the only poorest country in the Americas that has f'd up by France and/or the U.S.,or the only country that's been f'd up by the U.S. or France because there's a long list of countries that fit the second bit.Vietnam being one case where France was directly followed by the U.S.

[Peace]

I'm confused are you saying that it's the only poorest country in the Americas that has f'd up by France and/or the U.S.,or the only country that's been f'd up by the U.S. or France because there's a long list of countries that fit the second bit.Vietnam being one case where France was directly followed by the U.S.

Do you know where "the Americas" are ?

Vietnam is in SE Asia.

[skunk]

Do you know where "the Americas" are ?

Vietnam is in SE Asia.To be honest, Eraserhead's post leaves a little to be desired in the clarity department... :)

[Peterkro]

Do you know where "the Americas" are ?

Vietnam is in SE Asia.

Oddly enough,yes I do. If you understand what he is getting at please enlighten me.

[NathanMuir]

You realise that its the poorest country in the Americas and its troubles are basically directly the fault of the US and France, which isn't something you can say about many other countries.

Reading the latest comment by Peterkro made me wonder how a citizen of the UK, 'Eraserhead', can critize another country for poor management of a protectorate/ colonized country given the UKs track record with protectorates/ colonies?

[skunk]

Reading the latest comment by Peterkro made me wonder how a citizen of the UK can critize another country for poor management of a protectorate/ colonized country given the UKs track record with protectorates/ colonies?You're probably assuming that Peterkro is a citizen of the UK. This would be a mistake.

[Peace]

Oddly enough,yes I do. If you understand what he is getting at please enlighten me.

I'll give it a go.:)

Haiti is the poorest country in the western hemisphere and has been screwed over by the united states and france more than any other poor country in the world has been screwed over by any of the normally oppressive world leader countries.

Wild guess.:)

[skunk]

Are there prizes?

[Peterkro]

You're probably assuming that Peterkro is a citizen of the UK. This would be a mistake.

It would also be a mistake to imagine I,m not a critic of the U.K.'s or any other colonial/imperialist powers actions.

[Peace]

Are there prizes?


I hope so. I guessed first!! Ok Lee. where's my new MacTouch eh ?

[Peterkro]

I'll give it a go.:)

Haiti is the poorest country in the western hemisphere and has been screwed over by the united states and france more than any other poor country in the world has been screwed over by any of the normally oppressive world leader countries.

Wild guess.:)

My head hurt after Eraserheads post and yours hasn't helped at all.:)

[NathanMuir]

It would also be a mistake to imagine I,m not a critic of the U.K.'s or any other colonial/imperialist powers actions.

Sorry, I meant that an earlier comment you made relating to 'Eraserhead' comment made me wonder how 'Eraserhead' whose location is listed as the UK can make....

My mistake. Sorry for the lack of clarification.

[No1451]

To everyone who posted in this thread: Who bloody well cares?

[skunk]

Recognition of the undeniable fact that one's own country has screwed over half the world perhaps leaves one more rather than less qualified to point out the failings of others.

[Peterkro]

Sorry, I meant that an earlier comment you made relating to 'Eraserhead' comment made me wonder how 'Eraserhead' whose location is listed as the UK can make....

My mistake. Sorry for the lack of clarification.

No problem,although my location is the U.K. as well.As no doubt you know some of the best criticism of the U.S. and the U.K. comes from residents of both countries.

[NathanMuir]

Recognition of the undeniable fact that one's own country has screwed over half the world perhaps leaves one more rather than less qualified to point out the failings of others.

Eh, everyone makes mistakes.

[NathanMuir]

No problem,although my location is the U.K. as well.As no doubt you know some of the best criticism of the U.S. and the U.K. comes from residents of both countries.

Very true.

[macfan881]

To everyone who posted in this thread: Who bloody well cares?

Do you have to ask? Fox considers them a "news station" but the fact that they spend 6 minutes total out from 5-10pm at night and the rest is doing what ever they can to Slam the Democrats and Obama. and yet there are people deign and trying to communicate with other realitives is just selfish and a poor excuse of a news station

[No1451]

Do you have to ask? Fox considers them a "news station" but the fact that they spend 6 minutes total out from 5-10pm at night and the rest is doing what ever they can to Slam the Democrats and Obama. and yet there are people deign and trying to communicate with other realitives is just selfish and a poor excuse of a news station


Well unless you actually turn to Fox for your news it doesn't seem like it should matter, and even if you do I think that "earthquake in a country you probably can't even find on a map" doesn't rank very high in importance to you.

*apologizes to anyone who watches fox news who can, in fact, find Haiti on a map*

[Zombie Acorn]

Recognition of the undeniable fact that one's own country has screwed over half the world perhaps leaves one more rather than less qualified to point out the failings of others.

Please be specific here.

[Peace]

Please be specific here.

I could be wrong but I believe skunk was referring to what I said.;)

[Zombie Acorn]

I could be wrong but I believe skunk was referring to what I said.;)

Exactly what I thought then. :rolleyes: Clueless.

[Eraserhead]

I'm confused are you saying that it's the only poorest country in the Americas that has f'd up by France and/or the U.S.,or the only country that's been f'd up by the U.S. or France because there's a long list of countries that fit the second bit.Vietnam being one case where France was directly followed by the U.S.

To be honest, Eraserhead's post leaves a little to be desired in the clarity department... :)

Sorry :o, I shouldn't post before bed.

The first point is that Haiti is the poorest country in the Americas, which I believe is true.

The second point should read something like Haiti has and is basically still being screwed over by the Western powers for the past 200 years - in this case namely France and the US.

Now until 1975 that also applies to Vietnam but they've "thrown off their aggressors" since the Vietnam War and done pretty well since.

Cambodia is arguably similar but they've also been screwed over by Pol Pot (who AFAIK essentially their own fault) and the Vietnamese when they invaded to remove Pol Pot. Their economy has also done fairly well since about 1995 AFAIK.

'Eraserhead', can critize another country for poor management of a protectorate/ colonized country given the UKs track record with protectorates/ colonies?

We have a better track record than the French, Belgians and Japanese for starters...

[skunk]

Please be specific here.

I could be wrong but I believe skunk was referring to what I said.;)

Exactly what I thought then. :rolleyes: Clueless.

Though ZA is not here to clarify matters, I would like to clarify my own point, which was that I am fully and painfully aware that the British colonial era is responsible for a massive list of damaged regions and dysfunctional populations (I will not refer to them as "states" because the British, like other colonial powers, in most cases invented the territories and artificially aggregated disparate tribal zones inside borders which had no organic provenance). We here have very little to be proud of in our long history of rape and pillage, try as we may to dress it up in philanthropic clothing. To say that we were better than other colonial powers is irrelevant: the whole colonial era was an abomination, no matter who was trampling on the rights of which native population.

[macfan881]

Heres a update on the Numbers by Fox. http://mediamatters.org/research/201001150037

[obeygiant]

Heres a update on the Numbers by Fox. http://mediamatters.org/research/201001150037

I still can't understand why this matters. The Fox Report, which is hosted by Shepard Smith and airs before O'Reilly, seemed like nearly the entire hour was devoted to Haiti.

And why is it only MSNBC and FOX? If this was a real comparison not just an outlet for FOX haters, they should have CNN, NewsHour, and a complete listing of other news outlets on display. I wonder how much airtime CNBC devote to Haiti?

[mactastic]

I still can't understand why this matters.
I'd have to agree. There's plenty to criticize FocksNews for, this just seems like a cheap shot.

[macfan881]

I still can't understand why this matters. The Fox Report, which is hosted by Shepard Smith and airs before O'Reilly, seemed like nearly the entire hour was devoted to Haiti.

And why is it only MSNBC and FOX? If this was a real comparison not just an outlet for FOX haters, they should have CNN, NewsHour, and a complete listing of other news outlets on display. I wonder how much airtime CNBC devote to Haiti?

Well since the quake 95 percent of CNN's coverage has been about the quake and they have been doing the best coverage in my opinion.

[MacNut]

Well since the quake 95 percent of CNN's coverage has been about the quake and they have been doing the best coverage in my opinion.Is there other news besides the earthquake that we should know about?

[macfan881]

From fliping over to fox to see what there covering its all basicly the Mass Senate Seat thats up for grabs tuesday thats all they have been talking bout it seems. especailly hannity/ and oriely

[MacNut]

From fliping over to fox to see what there covering its all basicly the Mass Senate Seat thats up for grabs tuesday thats all they have been talking bout it seems. especailly hannity/ and orielyLast I checked they were talking about the breach at JFK, are they required to be just talking about the earthquake? Is there not other news that people care about?

[ucfgrad93]

Is there not other news that people care about?

Apparently, its all about the quake.;)

[Eraserhead]

I am fully and painfully aware that the British colonial era is responsible for a massive list of damaged regions and dysfunctional populations (I will not refer to them as "states" because the British, like other colonial powers, in most cases invented the territories and artificially aggregated disparate tribal zones inside borders which had no organic provenance)

IMO It is still important to differentiate between bad cases and good cases. For example Sudan, which is essentially a "state" with about 3 different major ethnic groups in it and Haiti which had reparations to pay for 150 years. Then on the other side you have places like Singapore and Hong Kong where colonialism worked fairly well with few major issues. There is a hell of a lot of grey between those cases.

[skunk]

IMO It is still important to differentiate between bad cases and good cases. For example Sudan, which is essentially a "state" with about 3 different major ethnic groups in it and Haiti which had reparations to pay for 150 years. Then on the other side you have places like Singapore and Hong Kong where colonialism worked fairly well with few major issues. There is a hell of a lot of grey between those cases.On the one side, you have not only the Sudan, but Zambia, Zimbabwe, India, Pakistan, Nepal, Burma, the Gambia, Nigeria, South Africa etc, etc, etc, while on the other side you have two city states. Not really much of a balance. The sad truth is that the British Empire, like all empires, was built on dispossession, exploitation, slavery and plunder.

[Queso]

It should also be remembered that Hong Kong owes its entire existence and prosperity to the "international drug trade" of the day.

[Peterkro]

It should also be remembered that Hong Kong owes its entire existence and prosperity to the "international drug trade" of the day.

Not to mention the state owned virtually all the land,quite a handy thing for growing a economy with the neo-liberal model,the fact that it goes against all their economic theory and would be called "socialistic" by many seems somehow not to be mentioned in their tales of a economic powerhouse.

[macfan881]

MSNBC and CNN are showing The Help For Haiti Telethon and Fox is of course is showing there Propaganda Machine. Stay Classy Faux Noise

[Thomas Veil]

Yeah, I just pointed out the same thing over in the "Air America'" thread.

Well, they did say it was going to be carried on all the major networks....

[Zombie Acorn]

MSNBC and CNN are showing The Help For Haiti Telethon and Fox is of course is showing there Propaganda Machine. Stay Classy Faux Noise

Good, that telethon is on 25 other channels anyways.

[MacNut]

Good, that telethon is on 25 other channels anyways.Actually it's more than 30.

[Zombie Acorn]

Actually it's more than 30.

I might want to watch something tonight so I need a couple channels that people aren't singing on.

[MacNut]

It will be done by 10. You can always watch ESPN.

[Love]

I don't really give a **** about any of this ****, but I do have to say this: reading ZA's ****ing posts with all of the ****ing profanity made me just about want to ****ing kill my ****ing self.