Advice for a new mac user :)

[gear02]

Today's the day I go buy a 12inch powerbook. YAY!! Actually this is the second time, the first time I got an ibook about 20 months ago and sold it quickly because I didn't need it. This time I do need it for school and I can't wait. I've really been wanting a powerful mac that can run OSX 10.3 well (my iG3 ibook had some hiccups).

ANYWAY. I need a lot of advice. This is a windows guy entering an almost unknown world.

First, the machine. I'm getting the G4 1.33 12inch pbook. I'll buy some memory later from a cheaper place than apple. I'm also getting the 20Gb Ipod. My reasoning behind getting this now rather than waiting for the new models is that I'm saving $200 for the edu price along with the $200 for buying the ipod and pbook together. I don't think I could save that much money if I get the new pbook which won't be too much of a performance boost anyways. What do you guys think?

I'm not getting the applecare because it's like $300 more and I don't have that much money to spare. Is this an essential?

What other things should I get?

Software: I'm planning on getting Office 2004 when I get my pbook. Other than that, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS OUT THERE. I've went through the desktop thread and copied down all those nice programs you guys use to make your desktop so nice (one of the reasons why I wanted a pbook and why I can't wait for Tiger). Are there any other software I need? I've got adium, quicksilver, fruit menu, launch bar, backlight, cleardock. Anything else?

Thanks in advance!

One more non buying question. Last time I played with macs, I got really confused by the folder structer (home, applications, etc). How do you guys organize your software and where do you install your programs?

[yellow]

ANYWAY. I need a lot of advice. This is a windows guy entering an almost unknown world.

IMO it is. Some folks will agree. I would MUCH rather have the protection of a 3 year full warranty for my laptop, and not need it, then have my LCD crap out on me 2 days after my 1 year warranty runs out. That's an expensive fix. Remember, you only have 90 days of phone support as well. But the NICE thing is, you can buy AppleCare up to (I think) a week before your 1 year warranty ends. So, if you don't have the $ now, buy it later. But I do suggest buying it! ESPECIALLY for a laptop!

[stoid]

Don't blindly get Office 2k4, you might not need it. Look at alternatives first. Spend that money on AppleCare. If by school you mean college, and in college you plan on taking advantage of the fact that you can take your computer anywhere, you should protect your investment. AppleCare doesn't care if you drop it, or spill beer on it. ;) But carrying it around jostles it's innards far more than a desktop ever sees, and so thing inside may just break even if you are taking care of it.

As for other software, what do you want to do with it? That will determine what software.

[yellow]

Are there any other software I need? I've got adium, quicksilver, fruit menu, launch bar, backlight, cleardock. Anything else?

If this is your first Mac, I think it's important to skip 'enhancement apps', because some of them can cause OSX to become "crashy", like 'enhancement' haxies from Unsanity. You should first get your Mac, and just use it, as it is. Get used to it. See what you like. See how stable it is. See what you think you're missing. Then, once you've been using it for a month, and have an excellent back up to fall back on if things go haywire, you can start tricking it out with all sorts of OS hacks.

[jsw]

Hey, congrats - it's going to be a fun day for you!

The 12" is a nice, portable, fast little Mac which you will really like. Some will probably jump on and tout the 15" - which is a nicer in many ways, but it's a lot more expensive. I think you'll really enjoy the 12".

AppleCare can wait, but the almost universal advice is that you really should get it, esp. for laptops. You can get it any time within the first 12 months after purchase of your Mac.

Office will be helpful for a student - make sure your school doesn't have a great deal on it before you buy (some schools do).

As far as other software - I'd get to know what comes with the PB first, then look for software to fill the gaps. I mean, download whatever you want, but I'd explore what's there first - just to get to know it.

Edit: i.e., what yellow said before I got done typing...

[yellow]

Did I mention how important it is to have some sort of backup solution? No?

It's very important to have some sort of backup solution. Especially when your collegiate life is on it..

[gear02]

Thanks for the advice! It's really helpful! First, I guess I need to clarify, I'm going to bschool next year. I'm applying right now, so I don't have access to any good offers right now. I think I'm going to get applecare down the road since I guess I can buy it before the initial year is up. Also, I need to get Office since I need word to type my apps up.

I'm just looking for helper apps. Things like media player classic for windows. You know, things that make your life much easier. I'll work on getting my gui neat and cool later, but I guess what I'm saying is that I don't know what software mac users use (other than photoshop, which I'm sure is a stereotype mac users love ;) ).

[gear02]

Did I mention how important it is to have some sort of backup solution? No?

It's very important to have some sort of backup solution. Especially when your collegiate life is on it..

backup solution?

[jsw]

At the very, very least, plan on backing up to CDs or DVDs (depending on which drive you get) and on using the 20GB iPod to store important docs you're working on (as well as writing them to CD/DVD). Just assume every night that your disk will fry when you boot in the morning. It most likely won't fail the entire time you own your PB. But... if you assume that it won't fail, it'll break down as soon as it's loaded with critical, not-found-elsewhere files.

And always, always, always back up any iTMS-purchased music - you cannot re-download it.

.Mac isn't a bad deal for the backup alone - it ensures a completely separate backup, no matter what happens to your Mac or other items.

[gear02]

Hey, congrats - it's going to be a fun day for you!

The 12" is a nice, portable, fast little Mac which you will really like. Some will probably jump on and tout the 15" - which is a nicer in many ways, but it's a lot more expensive. I think you'll really enjoy the 12".


Why is it nicer?

[jsw]

Why is it nicer?Biggest plus is the larger, higher-res screen. I think the portability of the 12" is a big plus for the little guy, but the extra screen size of the 15" makes it more useful in some situations.

Also, there's the backlit keyboard option... more flash than substance, but still cool. Definitely not necessary.

But... you're looking at hundreds more. Maybe not worth it....

[chaos86]

im a new college student too

one really nice thing about being a student:
MS Office 2004 is $150 AND that includes 3 licences!!!! find 2 other college student mac users and split it 3 ways.

use your ipod for yellow's 'much needed backup solution'

i got the 15incher. i couldnt deal with 1024x768 after using an emac at 1280x960 for so long. i even have trouble now getting used to the missing 106 rows of pixels on the 15 (1280x854).


what i did was buy office and install an old version of photoshop, illustrator, dreamweaver, and flash that my step dad owns but does not use. other than that i am entertaining myself with garageband and warcraft 3 til i go to school and realize how much stuff i want that i cant have because i blew all my money on books. ;)

[gear02]

im a new college student too

one really nice thing about being a student:
MS Office 2004 is $150 AND that includes 3 licences!!!! find 2 other college student mac users and split it 3 ways.

use your ipod for yellow's 'much needed backup solution'

i got the 15incher. i couldnt deal with 1024x768 after using an emac at 1280x960 for so long. i even have trouble now getting used to the missing 106 rows of pixels on the 15 (1280x854).


My reasoning for getting the 12 over the 15 is not money (though it helps). At work I have a 15 inch Dell Lattitude D800. The screen is huge and is really quite nice, but it's heavy and the size of the screen makes the laptop very bulky. Now, I guess I could use this for the next year instead of getting a pbook now, but bring it home and back makes me feel very uncomfortable because of its size and the fact that it feels very plasticky and structurely weak. I'm afraid I might break this thing, and at $2500 it's not worth the risk.

My cousin bought the 15 pbook last year and I was in love with it. The screen was nice and big and it felt well built. However, i think the purpose of my laptop is to be very portable since this thing will be taken to every class (bschool requires laptops in class). I don't think I need it to be very powerful since this won't be my main rig (my PC will be my gaming computer, sorry guys). But yet, this MUST last me 3 years (this year, plus 2 in bschool), so it does have to be powerful enough. I figure the 1.33 G4 12 inch pbook with a decent memory upgrade will do the trick. I guess I could go and get an ultra thin IBM or Dell with 2.4 ghz centrino...

[jsw]

Well, generally, Mac laptops seem to last longer than their PC brethren, although this might be because Mac people tend to be slightly less gotta-have-the-latest-hardware types than PC users. Still, the PBs last. Mine's 5 years old, and still works. I find that the screen resolution is fine when out and about. Of course, you can always connect a monitor to the PB for mirroring/spanning. But you've got the PC as a desktop, so you don't need the screen space.

The 12" will work great for you.

[gear02]

Well, generally, Mac laptops seem to last longer than their PC brethren, although this might be because Mac people tend to be slightly less gotta-have-the-latest-hardware types than PC users. Still, the PBs last. Mine's 5 years old, and still works. I find that the screen resolution is fine when out and about. Of course, you can always connect a monitor to the PB for mirroring/spanning. But you've got the PC as a desktop, so you don't need the screen space.

The 12" will work great for you.

Still, I have a bad feeling that when I go to the apple store tonight, I'll get tempted to get the 15...or worse the 17! ack!

btw i just remembered on piece of software that I might need to get. Virtual PC. Is this an essential? How does it work? Is it good?

[emw]

Still, I have a bad feeling that when I go to the apple store tonight, I'll get tempted to get the 15...or worse the 17! ack!

Based on what you've outlined above, I think you can avoid the temptation of the larger 'books. The 17", although nice looking, can be a bear to lug around.

The 12" is perfect for what you are looking to do. I am even tempted to go to a 12" for work myself. I travel quite a bit, and the 15" gets to be a load.

Of course, it doesn't help that I lug around about 5 pounds in accessories, I suppose...

[jsw]

Still, I have a bad feeling that when I go to the apple store tonight, I'll get tempted to get the 15...or worse the 17! ack!

btw i just remembered on piece of software that I might need to get. Virtual PC. Is this an essential? How does it work? Is it good?
Hey, no one will blame you if you get a bigger screen - but I'd go 15" before 17" if portability was a concern - that 17" is a beast if you're taking it in and out of a backpack 5 times a day. And the 12" is still the most portable one.

As far as VPC is concerned: VPC 7 will be out in a couple of months. I'd at least wait for that. I mean, you have a PC, so maybe you don't need it at all - but don't get 6.1 when 7.0 is coming.

[emw]

btw i just remembered on piece of software that I might need to get. Virtual PC. Is this an essential? How does it work? Is it good?

Should've covered this in my last post. Since you already have a PC, I don't know what you would use Virtual PC for - it's pretty slow and cumbersome compared to a real PC, and unless you've got PC-specific applications that you have to run in mobile mode on your PowerBook, it's not worth it. You can exchange files, etc., between OS X and Windows without a problem, if that's what you were thinking about.

Edit: should've known jsw would beat me to it... :D

[gear02]

Hey, no one will blame you if you get a bigger screen - but I'd go 15" before 17" if portability was a concern - that 17" is a beast if you're taking it in and out of a backpack 5 times a day.

As far as VPC is concerned: VPC 7 will be out in a couple of months. I'd at least wait for that. I mean, you have a PC, so maybe you don't need it at all - but don't get 6.1 when 7.0 is coming.

Yeah I just read about it. I'm definately going to wait since the only reason why I would get vpc7 is just in case my bschool requires me to run some pc programs on my mac in class.

I have read that office 2004 is very buggy. What's everyone's opinion on it? Is it worth it? What other options do I have if at school pcs are standard?

Btw I apologize for this thread being in the wrong forum since now I'm asking general mac questions. But you guys have been really helpful!

[yellow]

btw i just remembered on piece of software that I might need to get. Virtual PC. Is this an essential? How does it work? Is it good?

It's crap. It's slow. Definitely not essential. You already have a Windows laptop, it'll be 10x faster then VPC.

[jsw]

Yeah I just read about it. I'm definately going to wait since the only reason why I would get vpc7 is just in case my bschool requires me to run some pc programs on my mac in class.

I have read that office 2004 is very buggy. What's everyone's opinion on it? Is it worth it? What other options do I have if at school pcs are standard?

Btw I apologize for this thread being in the wrong forum since now I'm asking general mac questions. But you guys have been really helpful!Don't worry about the forum. It's still buying advice, after all.

I use Office X - the version before 2004 - and it works fine for me. I ran Office 2004 (free trial) for a month, and it worked fine for me as well - I just didn't see any reason to shell out for the upgrade. There were likely bugs, of course, but I'd hardly qualify it as "buggy", at least as far a Word is concerned, which it what I use the most. The others, I just played with.

[gear02]

It's crap. It's slow. Definitely not essential. You already have a Windows laptop, it'll be 10x faster then VPC.

not at school I won't. It's just in case i need it for some pc apps for school.

[emw]

not at school I won't. It's just in case i need it for some pc apps for school.

I am assuming these are apps that have no Mac equivalent? Either way, it probably can't hurt to have it in a pinch. I run it now and then, but generally only for testing something out in a PC-like environment. But as jsw mentions, wait until 7.0.

[chaos86]

I guess I could go and get an ultra thin IBM or Dell with 2.4 ghz centrino...

i know you already got your mac but somebody else whos about to choose a computer might be reading and since nobody else disposed of this awful thought i guess i must:
1) theyre ultra thin because they skimp on the essentials like the masses of connectivity in the pbooks
2) my understanding is that the centrino is the mobile equivalent of the celeron (has a low power mode for when unplugged like the g4) but if its anything like the celeron then you can expect to subtract about a third to a half of the speed when comparing it to a pentium 4. like 2.4 ghz celeron/centrino feels like a 1.2 to 1.8 ghz p4 would.
3) ibm notebooks have that annoying as hell mouse blob stuck between the keys instead of a trackpad
4) you dont get aluminium cases with the pcs, they feel like your work machine- plasticky and structurally weak

correct me if im wrong pc guys, this is second hand info from my girlfriends pc techie dad but he usually knows what hes talking about.

[tristan]

For B-school, you'll definitely want Office. Word, Excel, and Powerpoint is what you do all day, and you'll need to be able to share those docs with your PC-wielding team mates.

There won't be very many PC apps you'll need, and if you do, you can probably use either a Teammates computer ,or a desktop computer somewhere. And a lot of stuff is web-based now. I think you could skip VPC.

Backups are *critical* - burn CDs and make sure they work on PCs. If your Mac goes, you better be able to get access to a PC and all your work within hours.

I'd get Applecare about a month before your one year anniversary. Make sure you register it, or you might have delays if you ever need to fix something.

Good luck! Business school is a blast, and should be even better with a Mac. (I had a Dell that broke the month after I graduated - bought my PB a couple of weeks later.)

[tristan]

And yeah, I'd get the 15" over the 12", but that's just because I like working on that gorgeous screen.

And don't be tempted by any PC laptops. I use a Thinkpad at work - IBM's freakin flagship, and it sucks compared to my PB. I will have to say that it's built like a tank though, while the PBs are more delicate. But the software on it (Windows, Outlook, etc) always has weird little problems that every once in a while escalate into severe problems that make me lose work. (At work I'm paid by the hour to put up with it, but at home I use a Mac. :-) )

[blodwyn]

I have read that office 2004 is very buggy. What's everyone's opinion on it? Is it worth it? What other options do I have if at school pcs are standard?



I switched from WinXP to a PB 12" 2 months ago. It's perfectly usable standalone and great with an external display if you need more space.

I also got Office 2004, and have used it every day at work with zero problems. Might be an overkill for school, but I haven't found it buggy at all. I find Entourage is pretty good, especially the project center which I use a lot.

[rueyeet]

I'm just looking for helper apps. Things like media player classic for windows. You know, things that make your life much easier. I'll work on getting my gui neat and cool later, but I guess what I'm saying is that I don't know what software mac users use (other than photoshop, which I'm sure is a stereotype mac users love ;) ).As everyone else has said, you get what software you need for what you want to do. But most of the fun stuff you might want to do is already covered by what comes with your Mac, between Mail, Safari, and iLife.

iTunes replaces (and is many times better than) Media Player/RealPlayer/MusicMatch Jukebox. iPhoto lets you do the basics of digital photography (you'd only need Photoshop to do more serious image editing, and even then, the $99 Photoshop Elements will more than cover that).

The only major programs I've installed to my Mac are Office and Photoshop Elements, personally. I tried the Mozilla and Camino browsers, but liked Safari better, and now that AOL lets you access your mail via IMAP, I use Apple's Mail for an email client. I haven't honestly needed anything else of any consequence.

[chaos86]

of course, when surfing the web you will need:

Windows Media Player (but use VLC Player http://www.download.com/VLC-Media-Player/3000-2200-10290875.html?tag=lst-0-1 because W.M.P. is a P.O.S.)

Real Player ( https://order.real.com/pt/order.html?ppath=cpmacpl060204a&country=US&language=EN&src=062904realhome_1_2_2_1_1_3 )

Quicktime (already in OS X)

Flash (already in Safari)

[gear02]

i know you already got your mac but somebody else whos about to choose a computer might be reading and since nobody else disposed of this awful thought i guess i must:
1) theyre ultra thin because they skimp on the essentials like the masses of connectivity in the pbooks
2) my understanding is that the centrino is the mobile equivalent of the celeron (has a low power mode for when unplugged like the g4) but if its anything like the celeron then you can expect to subtract about a third to a half of the speed when comparing it to a pentium 4. like 2.4 ghz celeron/centrino feels like a 1.2 to 1.8 ghz p4 would.
3) ibm notebooks have that annoying as hell mouse blob stuck between the keys instead of a trackpad
4) you dont get aluminium cases with the pcs, they feel like your work machine- plasticky and structurally weak

correct me if im wrong pc guys, this is second hand info from my girlfriends pc techie dad but he usually knows what hes talking about.

well, I haven't gotten my pbook yet, but I'm dead set on it. For anyone who's reading, let me state facts in addition to above. Powerbooks are well built (ibooks too) compared to PC laptops. My 15 inch work computer will probably snap into two if I don't take it home in its 15 pound leather bag. I'm pretty sure I can just get a neoprene sleeve and stick it in my backpack.

I don't think centrinos are slower than pbooks, and I think it's inappropriate to compare across platforms.

The trackpoint, or nipple as some people call it, is annoying and can be also found on dells now. However, it's all a wash since apples ONLY HAVE ONE MOUSE BUTTON!! Just get a small external optical usb mouse and you're fine.

OSX is much cooler than WinXP. Microsoft releases security patches, Apple releases content updates. Enough said.

I'm not a apple fanboy, and I'm still a heavy Windows user (by choice, not forced). I think if you want a desktop, get a windows machine. If you want a laptop, get a mac. At least for me ;)

[gear02]

how confining is the 12 inch screen? Is the smaller, more portable 12 inch pbook worth the hardware and screen difference compared to the 15 (i.e. is the 15 inch not as portable as the 12?)

[jsw]

I think it's more a matter of resolution than it is one of size, unless you have problems reading smaller type. My old PB has the same resolution as the 12", and, while it's not extensive, I think it's more than adequate for use while mobile. If you didn't have a desktop, my advice might be different. However, you're going to the store, so you can see for yourself. For your usage, I think the only difference between the 12" and 15" is the screen, period.

To be more exact, though, the 15" has a bigger, higher-res screen (1280x854 vs 1024x768), a better graphics card, gig ethernet (not likely a big deal), and comes with slightly different video out and video adapters. It is also available in a slightly faster configuration. In the end, though, for you, it just has a bigger screen.

[hcuar]

Couldn't resist.... The Centrino is NOT a Celeron processor. It's a Pentium M processor. In many cases it out performs the Pentium 4 laptop varieties. Centrino is a fancy name for a Pentium M processor with an Intel 802.11b wifi card built in (in addition the manufactor must pay a royalty to Intel for the "special" naming convention)... A Centrino is the top laptop for general computing and mobility. Probably not the best for gaming, but it has a much better battery life (still will do gaming however). The Celeron is a system for low end users. It's fine for checking email, browsing the web, and writing Word documents. That's it. So... to recap:

PC Laptops:
Pentium 4 -- Gaming, desktop replacement, (really, really) crappy battery life
Pentium M / Centrino -- General usuage, compiling, some gaming, great battery life
Celeron -- Low end usage, no gaming, wake me when it's done compiling code, so - so battery life :D

[gear02]

Couldn't resist.... The Centrino is NOT a Celeron processor. It's a Pentium M processor. In many cases it out performs the Pentium 4 laptop varieties. Centrino is a fancy name for a Pentium M processor with an Intel 802.11b wifi card built in (in addition the manufactor must pay a royalty to Intel for the "special" naming convention)... A Centrino is the top laptop for general computing and mobility. Probably not the best for gaming, but it has a much better battery life (still will do gaming however). The Celeron is a system for low end users. It's fine for checking email, browsing the web, and writing Word documents. That's it. So... to recap:

PC Laptops:
Pentium 4 -- Gaming, desktop replacement, (really, really) crappy battery life
Pentium M / Centrino -- General usuage, compiling, some gaming, great battery life
Celeron -- Low end usage, no gaming, wake me when it's done compiling code, so - so battery life :D

oh yeah, i should have caught that and corrected the guy. Nice catch!

[yellow]

The trackpoint, or nipple as some people call it, is annoying and can be also found on dells now. However, it's all a wash since apples ONLY HAVE ONE MOUSE BUTTON!! Just get a small external optical usb mouse and you're fine.

Just an FYI..

Control+mouseclick (or trackpad button click) counts as a right-click, if you're not multi-button mouse equipped.

[vraxtus]

And yeah, I'd get the 15" over the 12", but that's just because I like working on that gorgeous screen.

And don't be tempted by any PC laptops. I use a Thinkpad at work - IBM's freakin flagship, and it sucks compared to my PB. I will have to say that it's built like a tank though, while the PBs are more delicate.


I second that.

1) I haven't read the other posts so this might be redundant.
2) I think if you're going to get a desktop replacement, get the 15"
3) If you want a mobile machine to supplement a desktop, get the 12"
4) ThinkPads are durable as hell... whereas our PB's are not so much.

Happy buying!

[Brother Michael]

My school has a very very nice deal with Microsoft. Last year I was able to get the Education version of Office XP for $10.

This year, they had Office 2004 and I got that for 30 dollars (it goes down as it ages see). Not a bad deal really.

So check out what you school and what your school library offer in terms of software before you go spending lots of money.

Mike

BTW: On a side note, I found it a little odd that the CD that Office 2004 for Mac was on was bundled by Dell...weird.

[Champale]

Here's the thing. As the proud owner of a brand spanking new 15" PB, I love the thing like a child. It's fast, beautiful to look at, and does everything I need which includes running Word, Photoshop, and Final Cut Express.

But, I also have a 14" iBook from work and that thing is a tank. I do plenty of graphics on the iBook and it's been fine for everything I want to do except video editing. If you only plan on running Office and aren't into gaming or graphics, you might want to consider saving some dinero and going with one of 'em.

Granted, they may not be as spiffy to look at, but they're a pretty good bargain.

If you STILL want a PB, I say you can't beat a 12" PB for portability. I was at the Genius Bar in my local Apple Store and saw this girl walk up and pull one out of her purse. That was when I realized just how compact those suckers are!

[gear02]

Here's the thing. As the proud owner of a brand spanking new 15" PB, I love the thing like a child. It's fast, beautiful to look at, and does everything I need which includes running Word, Photoshop, and Final Cut Express.

But, I also have a 14" iBook from work and that thing is a tank. I do plenty of graphics on the iBook and it's been fine for everything I want to do except video editing. If you only plan on running Office and aren't into gaming or graphics, you might want to consider saving some dinero and going with one of 'em.

Granted, they may not be as spiffy to look at, but they're a pretty good bargain.

If you STILL want a PB, I say you can't beat a 12" PB for portability. I was at the Genius Bar in my local Apple Store and saw this girl walk up and pull one out of her purse. That was when I realized just how compact those suckers are!


i'm picking the pbook over the ibook because I need this thing to last me 3 years, and I feel that the better specs of the pbook will do better for me in the long run. Am I wrong with my assumptions?

[Brother Michael]

i'm picking the pbook over the ibook because I need this thing to last me 3 years, and I feel that the better specs of the pbook will do better for me in the long run. Am I wrong with my assumptions?

My iBook is a late 2001 Model. Runs great...I really should put some more RAM in it though. What does that tell you about the longevity of the iBook?

Mike

[vraxtus]

My iBook is a late 2001 Model. Runs great...I really should put some more RAM in it though. What does that tell you about the longevity of the iBook?

Mike


My iBook was late 2001 and it runs like crap... so that's why I upgraded.

Plus it had 378 MB of RAM.

However it was the 500 mhz model.

Man I hate iBooks :mad:

[gear02]

Ladies and Gentlemen, I am speaking to you from my new 12 inch G4 powerbook :D

I would tell you more, but I just realized it was 12:33am. Time flies when you're having fun :)

[jsw]

Congrats, man. I think you made a great choice! Welcome (again) to the club!

[jsw]

One more non buying question. Last time I played with macs, I got really confused by the folder structer (home, applications, etc). How do you guys organize your software and where do you install your programs?
I'm not sure this got touched by anyone....

I put all my apps into the Applications folder - Applications->Utilities if it's a utility. About the only other distinct folder (excluding apps that come in folders of their own by default, like, say, Office) is Games, also under Applications. Since most apps are just that - apps, no extra files - it's pretty simple.

[gear02]

I'm not sure this got touched by anyone....

I put all my apps into the Applications folder - Applications->Utilities if it's a utility. About the only other distinct folder (excluding apps that come in folders of their own by default, like, say, Office) is Games, also under Applications. Since most apps are just that - apps, no extra files - it's pretty simple.

When I had my ibook 2 years ago I had no idea what the home folder, app folder and all that stuff is. I also wasn't used to the fact that there were no installation programs (usually).

Now I'm sticking everything I install in the apps folder. I just installed adium and the first thing I looked for was an install program. I'm still shocked that all I had to do is move the ONE file to the app folder. My brain isn't geared to work like that!

[chaos86]

I'm still shocked that all I had to do is move the ONE file to the app folder. My brain isn't geared to work like that!

well technically its a 'package' which is a file that, when opened will run a program but when one 'shows the package contents' (ctrl+click>show pkg contents) will show that its really got a whole bunch of files and folders hidden in it. but new mac users need not know that.

this whole idea messed my brain up too when i switched to the light side about 5 years ago.
"to uninstall you just drag it to the trash?!?! what, no uninstaller to get all those dll files from all over the place and to remove the registry keys and to change the system.ini and win.ini files?!?! WHAT, no dlls, registry, or win or system.ini?!?!? cool! what no 600 hour windows updates when i buy an new computer?!?!"
haha just threw that one on the end for laughs. youll be glad you switched... again...

[Champale]

Grats on your new PB!

May you two enjoy many years of blissful Mac happiness!

:)

[yellow]

Enjoy the PowerBook!

[gear02]

thanks guys!

quick questions. I think I have to register the machine in order to be covered under the warranty. Where do i go to do that?

Also, when it booted up it asked for my name and address. Where do I go to access and change this information? I can't seem to find the place.

Thanks!

[yellow]

You should have already registered when you filled out the info when you first booted up the Mac, assuming you were connected to an internet connection at the time. At the end when it says (something like) "Sending info to Apple". Otherwise:

https://register.apple.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/GlobaliReg.woa