iTMS Australia Within A Month?

[MacRumors]

According to an Australian IT interview (http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,10498702%5E15350%5E%5Enbv%5E15306-15320,00.html) with Unwired chief executive David Spence, hints are being dropped that due to a large-scale broadband rollout and a tie-in with Apple, the iTMS may be localized to Australia within a month. Unwired already offers deals on Apple's Airport Express 802.11g base station, but seeks to offer more in the near future. Apple Australia has consistently refused to comment on when and if the service would be available locally.
The Apple partnership would involve "music in particular," Mr. Spence said. "We think music is a good idea."

Without specifically saying that partnership would involve Apple's iTunes Music Store, Mr. Spence said that Apple's music download service would be available locally, and that Apple would need broadband connections to make the service work well.

[joed]

:D

I hope this is correct. Yay, australia isn't forgotton for at least ONE apple thing.... lets not go there with iPhoto and Sherlock etc...

[Veldek]

This would be a nice present for our Australian members who are complaining so often about this. I hope it’s true.

By the way, I read yesterday that the iTMS already has a marketshare of more than 50% in Germany. So, it’s time to expand to more countries...

[mj_1903]

Hope its true, but I am not counting on it. Would love to be able to use the service again.

[macridah]

the more countries that get iTunes music store, the better. I'll cross my fingers for you all.

[Porchland]

This would be a nice present for our Australian members who are complaining so often about this. I hope it’s true.

By the way, I read yesterday that the iTMS already has a marketshare of more than 50% in Germany. So, it’s time to expand to more countries...

Australia would be part of a logical progression for Apple.

1. US.
2. Germany, UK, France.
3. Australia and probably one or two more.

If the Australia rumor is true, Paris would be the place to announce it. And maybe, a few more of the EU countries.

Obviously, Apple wants to get in as many countries as possible and as soon as possible. Working out the rights with the labels and building the infrastructure for each different store are the big hurdles.

Does anyone have any personal dealings or other reliable information about how these deals are being structured going forward? Are these five-year arrangements with the labels? Per country?

[Jack White]

Kylie! Holly Valance! Jet!

[GregA]

If the Australia rumor is true, Paris would be the place to announce it. And maybe, a few more of the EU countries.I don't know....

I kinda think Australia would be a good place to announce an Australian iTMS :)

Imagine if Steve Jobs had gone to Paris to announce the original US iTMS!

[Sol]

Kylie! Holly Valance! Jet!

The Australian iTunes Music Store sounded like a great idea until you made that post.

Just kidding. I am sure that we will have more than generic pop on offer.

Maybe we will even get to purchase music that has previously been released in that copy protected disc format. Between the two I would rather have the DRM AAC version since it can be played on all devices, not just compatible CD players.

[encro]

The Current Unwired/Airport Express deal:
http://www.unwired.com.au/get/apple.php

Given that Australian law currently makes downloading music and duplicated backups illegal I am curious as to how companies such as Telstra's Bigpond and Sanity etc are providing this service already. Is ARIA and the government turning a blind eye at laws that need to be amended or are there ways to circumvent this?

[curmi]

I wish this were true, but somehow I see this as unlikely. Apple hardly even know we exist here. And surely Japan would be the next market for Apple to release in to.

Then again, I would have thought Japan would be before Europe too.

I hope that one day, not only will we have iTMS in Australia, Japan, Europe and the US, but we will also be able to access songs from other countries. I'd love to be able to buy Dreams Come True from iTMS rather than getting the CDs from Japan for example.

[Jalexster]

The Australian iTunes Music Store sounded like a great idea until you made that post.

Just kidding. I am sure that we will have more than generic pop on offer.

JET is not a pop-group. They are more light to medium rock. One of my favorite groups.

It will also be nice to give the rest of the world a taste of Powderfinger, if the iTMS coming in Australia means that Australian music may show up in the other stores. Or is Powerderfinger already avalible in the iTMS. I used to browse around the store. However once I started crying because it was so unfair, I stopped visiting.

Well, now I have an excuse to return! if the iTMS comes out here that is.

[Jalexster]

The Current Unwired/Airport Express deal:
http://www.unwired.com.au/get/apple.php

Given that Australian law currently makes downloading music and duplicated backups illegal I am curious as to how companies such as Telstra's Bigpond and Sanity etc are providing this service already. Is ARIA and the government turning a blind eye at laws that need to be amended or are there ways to circumvent this?

Probabaly meansw no illegal downloading of music. There will be a workaround.

[h'biki]

Given that Australian law currently makes downloading music and duplicated backups illegal I am curious as to how companies such as Telstra's Bigpond and Sanity etc are providing this service already. Is ARIA and the government turning a blind eye at laws that need to be amended or are there ways to circumvent this?

In Australia, digitisation is considered a form of copying (and fair enough too).

Copying is one of the monopoly rights of copyright holders. When you buy a CD, you are not buying the music or the copyright in the music, you're buying a licence to use the music in a certain way. As the CDs point out, unauthorised copying of the CD (which thus includes digitisation) is illegal. Under Australian Law, there is no form of copying which is covered under fair use (well, there is, but they're pretty limited rights).

However, this does not stop companies selling you music in another form - say, WMA or MP3. They themsevles may have digitised off CD, but that copying would be authorised under the Copyright Act 1963.

Curiously, the FTA does bring our laws in closer sympathy with the American DMCA, but only in the restrictions on copyright... we haven't imported America's stronger fair use laws... probably because the Americans probably don't like em any more.

Hope that helps.

Stuart.

[MyLeftNut]

This is great if it happens. I wonder whether they would include our neighbours New Zealand? I would think if they have big rollout in Paris they would do a bunch of countries... :D

[aswitcher]

I wonder if they could cut a deal where we could buy from the US store... and do Canada at the same time?

Its an artifical barrier at present, one they could easily remove if they were confident that credit cards being used where legit...and if they limited it to only .Mac account holders as a starting point then they would reduce their fraud problems out of the gate.

[GregA]

JET is not a pop-group. They are more light to medium rock. One of my favorite groups.

It will also be nice to give the rest of the world a taste of Powderfinger, if the iTMS coming in Australia means that Australian music may show up in the other stores. Or is Powerderfinger already avalible in the iTMS. I used to browse around the store. However once I started crying because it was so unfair, I stopped visiting.

Well, now I have an excuse to return! if the iTMS comes out here that is.I suppose that if iPod sales are the reason for the iTMS store existing, we should be looking at which markets iPods are doing well in that don't have iTMS.

With the reach of the internet and ease of electronic distribution of songs I guess there'll be some big changes to the way artists release their stuff. Unfortunately with all the existing contracts it may take a little longer than it should - we may even see movies or tv series sold worldwide before music!

[mac15]

I really hope it comes out and soon, I'm gonna load my credit card up bigtime :) It'd be awesome if Schiller or Steve came to Sydney for the announcement :)

[curmi]

I really hope it comes out and soon, I'm gonna load my credit card up bigtime :) It'd be awesome if Schiller or Steve came to Sydney for the announcement :)

Unfortunately given the poor geography skills of Americans, they would probably board a plane to Europe thinking it was somewhere over there. :)

Did anyone see the CNNNN comedy show where they interviewed people in the streets of a US city and showed them a map of the world with the main Australian island marked as "North Korea" and Tasmania as "South Korea" - and asked the people where in the world the US should invade next? My favourite response was "Wow - I didn't realise just how much bigger North Korea is to South Korea" :D

[mattthemutt]

Australia would be part of a logical progression for Apple.

1. US.
2. Germany, UK, France.
3. Australia and probably one or two more.

If the Australia rumor is true, Paris would be the place to announce it. And maybe, a few more of the EU countries.

Obviously, Apple wants to get in as many countries as possible and as soon as possible. Working out the rights with the labels and building the infrastructure for each different store are the big hurdles.

Does anyone have any personal dealings or other reliable information about how these deals are being structured going forward? Are these five-year arrangements with the labels? Per country?

*Cough* Canada! *Cough*

[Golem]

Its about time.

I dont know if it affects but since a couple of other companys are allready doing it ,the agreements with the music companys would probably be easy to acheive, on the other hand the copyright laws here are a mess.

[GregA]

Hi curmi,
I hadn't thought of that.... and I did live in the US so I know there are some Americans whose geography isn't up to scratch (whatever that means!). To be fair, in Australia many of our TV shows and movies come from America and England - so that makes it pretty obvious for us where they are. In America, the movies come largely from America and England too - so they're the places people know most about. There are heaps of countries that I personally don't know much about!
If the Australia rumor is true, Paris would be the place to announce it. And maybe, a few more of the EU countries.So just to check - Australia is on the other side of the globe. If you were in Boston you'd fly west to Australia for 21 hours. If you were in Paris, you'd fly east to Australia for 21 hours. California is 5 hours closer to Australia than Boston (or Paris).

Then again you may have totally realised that, and just meant that if it's happening in 1 month, the only official announcement happening before then we know of is in Paris. /End Geography lesson :)

[broken_keyboard]

One more step to iTunes world domination!
Muhahhahahhahha :D

I guess this fellow David Spence hasn't worked with Apple before. Typically they don't like people dropping hints before the official annoucement. Companies that give away Apple's secrets typically get blasted...maybe he just blew the biggest deal ever for his little wireless ISP.

[fatbarstard]

I hope the fact that most of the rest of the worlld can't differentiate NZ from Australia means that we get iTMS in NZ at the same time as Aust....
:cool:



Australia..... nice place to visit but you wouldn't want to live there.... (trust me, I learnt the hard way!!)

Exits stage left....

[appleguy]

This is great if it happens. I wonder whether they would include our neighbours New Zealand? I would think if they have big rollout in Paris they would do a bunch of countries... :D

All it is a bit sad..
In Apple's eye New Zealand is considered a state of Australia.. So pretty much anything that Apple Aust has, we here in NZ get it too..

my guess is that it maybe about the $1.30AUD - $1.50NZD per song.

[appleguy]

Australia..... nice place to visit but you wouldn't want to live there.... (trust me, I learnt the hard way!!)

Exits stage left....


In this case wont that be right???? unless you were looking south at the time.

[mac15]

Hahaha, I missed that. Its one of them shows I always forget to watch :)

Unfortunately given the poor geography skills of Americans, they would probably board a plane to Europe thinking it was somewhere over there. :)

Did anyone see the CNNNN comedy show where they interviewed people in the streets of a US city and showed them a map of the world with the main Australian island marked as "North Korea" and Tasmania as "South Korea" - and asked the people where in the world the US should invade next? My favourite response was "Wow - I didn't realise just how much bigger North Korea is to South Korea" :D

[feeze]

Australia..... nice place to visit but you wouldn't want to live there.... (trust me, I learnt the hard way!!)


All it is a bit sad..
In Apple's eye New Zealand is considered a state of Australia.. So pretty much anything that Apple Aust has, we here in NZ get it too..


Funny that because I thought Bondi was considered to be a state of New Zealand :p

[Nermal]

It will be great if it comes to NZ too. It's a great service, I've bought 57 songs (courtesy of a US billing address :D), and have had no problems whatsoever. An official local store would be even better though!

Edit: Actually, there is a problem. When I put the US billing address into iTunes, it changes my ADC profile to point to that address (and they would therefore send my developer CDs to the wrong place). And then when I change my ADC account back, iTunes stops working until I put the US address back in again. I've changed it back and forth maybe 25 times now, it's really annoying!

[GregA]

Australia..... nice place to visit but you wouldn't want to live there.... (trust me, I learnt the hard way!!)

Exits stage left....That's a bit rude.

I'm Australian and I've lived in the US, Germany, and NZ - and they all have their pros and cons, and different cities etc in the same country still can have far different qualities!

SOME cities/towns of NZ are places I preferred to living in Sydney. I do try to avoid people with closed-minds though.

[devman]

Funny that because I thought Bondi was considered to be a state of New Zealand :p

You mean welfare state don't you...?

[Sol]

You mean welfare state don't you...?

This is a typical example of the Howard-era mentality: the assumption that everyone in the world wants to come to Australia and leech off the fringe benefits of living here. I live in Australia and sometimes I wish that this country would take an example from New Zealand and show more independence, be it from the Monarchy or the Whitehouse.

As for New Zealand being considered part of Australia for the upcoming iTunes Music Store, I think it is a practical solution, considering that between the two countries there is a smaller market for online music than most states of the USA.

[aussie_geek]

About time it hits the Aussie market. I have just bought a 20 Gb iPod that needs filling up. The iTunes music store could satisfy its' need for music :p..

aussie_geek

[the.snitch]

YAY!!! iTMS NZ...im waiting... *fingers crossed*

[aswitcher]

So what do we think they will charge?

$1.50 AUD per song?
$15.00 AUD per album?

[Sol]

So what do we think they will charge?

$1.50 AUD per song?
$15.00 AUD per album?

For AU $1 I would use the Oz iTMS. Anything more than that would not be an incentive to stop buying CDs.

[eddyg]

For AU $1 I would use the Oz iTMS. Anything more than that would not be an incentive to stop buying CDs.

Other than the fact that a fair few CDs won't rip due to copy protection, that actually stopped me buying CDs altogether.

As for NZ vs Oz being treated the same, NZ doesn't have an apple store as such, although the recent distributor one is pretty good, however given my experiences with the Oz Apple store that's not necessarily a bad thing (took ages to get my Airport Express).

I reckon Apple in both Oz and NZ suck badly, we're still treated as if we ought to be grateful that they even deign to sell us the kit. A totally different experience to Apple in the USA, who fall over themselves in their helpfulness.

Oh well, maybe it's the Oz/NZ worker mentality at work, or maybe they are excluded from company stock incentives, and therefore don't feel the need to be nice to anyone...

Cheers,

Edward.

[neilrobinson]

yah!!! i can wait for iTunes store australia! hope the price is simular to us.... maybe $1.5 a song , $15 for albums

neil

[macmelb]

however given my experiences with the Oz Apple store that's not necessarily a bad thing (took ages to get my Airport Express).


Sorry mate but my experience with the Apple Store in Aus has been much better. I recently had a lot of trouble trying to find a combined USB2/Firewire iPod cable in any retail stores in Melbourne (one of them even told me that they were waiting on a delivery of 200 of them and another said they'd order it in for $7 more than the Apple Store sold it for). So anyway, I got really fed up and went and ordered it on the Apple Store on a Monday arvo... I got it in the mail on Wednesday morn. That's pretty efficient.

On the whole though, Apple in Australia does suck. They rarely have up-to-date display models, they overprice basic products (like generic USB cables etc.) and they aren't particularly inviting.

[edinz]

There are only 4 days to go until the iTunes Music Store is supposed to open in Australia, according to the lead story of this thread. Well, I will believe it when it arrives. ;)

[DJY]

Not holding my breath here.

Anyone else noticed bigpong now have prime time TV ads - promoting their broadband - so people can buy digital music!

Grrrr

[aswitcher]

Not holding my breath here.

Anyone else noticed bigpong now have prime time TV ads - promoting their broadband - so people can buy digital music!

Grrrr

Until they sort Canada I dont see Australia getting ITMS

[jap4n]

i'd say that NZ would most likely get iTMS the same time as AUS. I say this because there is no Apple New Zealand. Only authorised dealers, like Renaissance Ltd. They import from Apple Australia.

As for pricing, my guess would be NZ$1.99 per song and NZ$19.99 per album.

CD albums in NZ usually cost $24.99 - $32.99... So buying an album is still cheaper than a CD.

NZMusic.com sells (used to sell?) mp3s for about NZ$1.99

:)

Quite pricey for my liking though :p

[Wardofsky]

like Renaissance Ltd.

Yeah I noticed that apple.co.nz was actually the Renaissance resellers.
I wonder if au or nz will get any Apple run Apple stores :rolleyes:

[mspaulding]

I'm from Sydney, and what I find is that there IS VIRTUALLY NO people in this country who know what an iPod is, let alone ITMS. I hope if does happen :D It will boost the presence of Apple to alot more people in Oz.

[748s]

I'm from Sydney, and what I find is that there IS VIRTUALLY NO people in this country who know what an iPod is, let alone ITMS. I hope if does happen :D It will boost the presence of Apple to alot more people in Oz.

you need to get out more. :D i'm seeing lots of ipods around. i agree the itms is not well known here. hope it happens soon.

[Wardofsky]

Well, within my school people are slowly starting to hear about iTMS...
Because the majority uses PCs they will download iTunes, see the Music Store link and discover it for themselves.

There was only one kid I knew that used Macs and he left last year :rolleyes:

[bacondeluxe]

you need to get out more. :D i'm seeing lots of ipods around. i agree the itms is not well known here. hope it happens soon.

The number of iPods in Australia is insane. Look hard at the sea of white ear phones next time you get on at Central.

At uni it's almost wierd NOT to have one.

Seeing people with Discmans is funny now. Seriously old school. LOL Not to mention the five hundred and one bazillion iPod billboards all over sydney.

[trailblazer]

lol at person who thinks there are no ipods in aus.
YOU need to get out more :p
they're everywhere, as are the ads.

[Lz0]

According to an Australian IT interview (http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,10498702%5E15350%5E%5Enbv%5E15306-15320,00.html) with Unwired chief executive David Spence, hints are being dropped that due to a large-scale broadband rollout and a tie-in with Apple, the iTMS may be localized to Australia within a month. Unwired already offers deals on Apple's Airport Express 802.11g base station, but seeks to offer more in the near future. Apple Australia has consistently refused to comment on when and if the service would be available locally.

What "large-scale broardband rollout". If you live more than 4KM from an exchange your stuffed.

[GregA]

What "large-scale broardband rollout". If you live more than 4KM from an exchange your stuffed.That's a large-scale rollout by "unwired" - who are using wireless technology. Distance to a Telstra exchange is unrelated, naturally - though distance to unwired's transmitters would be an issue. Unwired claim they reach more users in Sydney than Telstra (due to Telstra's ADSL distance limit).

I'm very interested in what Unwired are doing - but I already have ADSL, and the places where I go 'wireless' are just outside the Sydney area so Unwired doesn't help. Unwired are apparently going to go to GoldCoast, Melbourne, or maybe Brisbane next....

[wdlove]

That's a bit rude.

I'm Australian and I've lived in the US, Germany, and NZ - and they all have their pros and cons, and different cities etc in the same country still can have far different qualities!

SOME cities/towns of NZ are places I preferred to living in Sydney. I do try to avoid people with closed-minds though.

fatbarstard has a right to his opinion.

I agree that every country and cities within a country all have their pros and cons. It's just a matter of find the place that fits the most with your vision.

[iLilana]

a country with 10 million less people get iTMS before Canada.

good thing I did not refer iTMS to any people buying artists from my label. no one in canada would get it.

thank god for Napster and Puretracks and etc....

the CMRIAA president once complained about me accusing them for the hold up. He asured me this was not the case.

Here's my note to whomever is the holdup:
My artists are thinking of pulling out of iTMS USA.

not that anyone really cares

[GregA]

this is irritating
a country with 10 million less people get iTMS before Canada.
Well,that's IF Australia gets iTMS soon (or at all).I don't put much weight in this rumour!!

fatbarstard has a right to his opinion.
Yeah, that doesn't mean it wasn't rude. Not only that, it was unrelated to the thread.

Some people may find some posts utter crap, but saying "you're full of crap" doesn't help. A right to an opinion is great. Discretion, knowing when not to say something, is equally valuable.

[DJY]

a country with 10 million less people get iTMS before Canada.

You need to double your estimate I think...
not sure of the official census - but 20 MILL gets closer

Your point is still very valid though.
Given we only have 20MIL compared to what 240MIL in USA - then do the math...
how many Mac's / iPods do they sell here...
how much to they actually make per song...
how much time / energy / cost would be need to negotiate and establish it...

thats why they did the business smart thing - and went for the markets that would have the volume.

Don't know where else in the world would be the next biggest music or mac population base for them to have been targeting.

[GregA]

You need to double your estimate I think...
not sure of the official census - but 20 MILL gets closer
Hi, think you misread....
Canada has 31 million, we have over 20 million... that makes us (Australia) a country that has 10 million less people than Canada...

I imagine that with the US, Apple's home country and the population size made it first. For us smaller countries, the music label negotiations would be more the deciding issue.... just an opinion :)

[mmmdreg]

I think iTMS Japan or something should come out first. Wouldn't it make more sense?

[DJY]

Hi, think you misread....
Canada has 31 million, we have over 20 million... that makes us (Australia) a country that has 10 million less people than Canada...


Oops! :eek:
Yep - I did misread it!
DOH!

Very sorry all.

[Matty-Andy]

Hi, think you misread....
Canada has 31 million, we have over 20 million... that makes us (Australia) a country that has 10 million less people than Canada...

I imagine that with the US, Apple's home country and the population size made it first. For us smaller countries, the music label negotiations would be more the deciding issue.... just an opinion :)

Ok, everyone repeat after me: "Canada soon please"

:)

[kjwebb]

Looks like this rumor can be brought back to live.

from Tuesday's Australian Financial review Copyright nod to Fairfax

iTunes coming to store near you

Apple will launch its long-awaited iTunes Music Store in Australia in the next few weeks, according to some music industry sources.

The online store, which sells digitally encoded music tracks as downloads over the internet using Apple's popular iTunes music software, might sell music tracks for as little as 99¢ a track, one record industry source said. That is far cheaper than the US store, which sells music for US99¢ ($1.35) per track, and below the break-even point in Australia, said to be $1.45 per track.

iTunes Music Store has already been launched in the United States, Britain, France and Germany, and Apple announced last week that global sales through the service, which was first started in the US in April 2003, had reached 4million tracks a week, and 150million tracks had been sold so far.

The store works closely with Apple's iPod portable music player, which the company last week reported now accounts for 23per cent of Apple's overall revenue.

While most of the negotiations for the Australian version of the iTunes service have been conducted through the global parents of the Australian music labels, meaning that the date of an Australian launch has been a well-guarded secret, record companies that are based in Australia are said to have finished negotiations with Apple over pricing and terms and are now readying to launch the service. Apple refused to comment on the reports.

While Apple may have kick-started the legal music download business with its US launch of the service last year, it's now quite a late entrant to the Australian market, where ninemsn, Telstra, Destra Corp and others have all launched Australian services, selling music for between 95¢ and $1.90 a track.

Yesterday Destra, which supplies its destramusic.com online music store to the likes of Sanity, Chaos Music and HMV, reported its maiden profit of $128,000 for the quarter ended September 30, 2004, on sales of $2.26million.

Destra chief executive Domenic Carosa refused to speculate on how much of that revenue came from online music sales, but he said the entertainment division of Destra, which contains destramusic.com, was breaking even.

"Realistically, the numbers [of tracks being sold online] are still quite small," he said.

Ninemsn said its online music sales were still modest. "It is still very early days but we are pleased with how the market is growing," a ninemsn spokesperson said.

According to one internet industry source, one problem facing Australian online retailers was that the price being set by the record industry for the music was too high to be popular and profitable at the same time.

One online music store said that when it sold music for less than $1 a track, the promotions were "extremely successful".

But Mr Carosa said such promotions could not be sustained because the "break-even" point for online music was about $1.45 per track.

Thanks to velocite on the Whirlpool Forums (http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=254581&p=-1#bottom)

[aswitcher]

Looks like this rumor can be brought back to live.



Thanks to velocite on the Whirlpool Forums (http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=254581&p=-1#bottom)

This is great news. Finally. Yep, the Bono announcement I suggest might add a few countries, Canada and Australia at the top of that list.

Here's hoping.

[joed]

Excellent. Good to hear. Again, here's hoping for an anouncement next week :D

[markh]

Woooo!!! I REALLY hope this si true and it gets announced... maybe a spart of the Apple music event next week

[DJY]

Fingers crossed...
but I'm not holding my breath!

I agree with you aswitcher that the Bono news will most likely include annoucing new iTMS countries....

but not sure it will be AUS and CDN
haven't they already announced that more European countries will be bought on line in Oct?

[J.Allen]

Woooo!!! I REALLY hope this is true and it gets announced... maybe a spart of the Apple music event next week
Or a trip to the CD store http://celica.net/ubb/graemlins/slap.gif
Don't hold your breath for iTunes Aus, there were rumors of this over a year ago, still a no show :cool:.

[abc123]

gah come on, almost every second person i see walking to uni has an ipod in their ears. if i'm on a bus in peak times i'm never the only person with white ear buds in my ears, come christmas the things are going to me everywhere. if i were apple i'd be wanting to take advantage of the situation. even my lecturers have been talking up the ipods: "we know that product sales don't always reflect which are the best products, just look at microsoft. apple have been fighting back with more great quality electronics like the ipod though"

start selling ipods with a $10 itunes music store voucher included and then open the store for business on christmas day. this christmas is going to be huge for ipods down here and i think a lot of people will be iffy about spending money on the online music thing until they have tried it out.

it isn't going to happen though :(

[J.Allen]

i think a lot of people will be iffy about spending money on the online music thing until they have tried it out.

it isn't going to happen though :(
I believe that the Australian people actually want something to show for the money they have spent. Something that a computer Virus simply cannot take away, such as a CD/DVD-A/SACD.

Why would Australian honestly pay to download compressed format music, when it can be downloaded for free. I mean seriously. What's more iTunes is a crappy program (system resourse leach,) and has that "can ounly be burnt 3 times or so" thing for payed for downloads (or so I'm lead to believe.)

If I want to own music, I get off my butt and get it down to the local record store. This has occued ~75 times (the number of CD's I own.) Save that it's onto the net to "BearShare" and free downloads. I also use this to aquire TV series that have yet to air in Australia, eg: Stargate Atlantis

[aswitcher]

I believe that the Australian people actually want something to show for the money they have spent. Something that a computer Virus simply cannot take away, such as a CD/DVD-A/SACD.

Why would Australian honestly pay to download compressed format music, when it can be downloaded for free. I mean seriously. What's more iTunes is a crappy program (system resourse leach,) and has that "can ounly be burnt 3 times or so" thing for payed for downloads (or so I'm lead to believe.)

If I want to own music, I get off my butt and get it down to the local record store. This has occued ~75 times (the number of CD's I own.) Save that it's onto the net to "BearShare" and free downloads. I also use this to aquire TV series that have yet to air in Australia, eg: Stargate Atlantis

Well as for music...that "free" music is pirated music and denies artists their money. iTunes Music Store offers a way of getting relatively cheap copies online which is a good thing. Sure I would like the bitrate to be higher (160 or even 320) but thats no excuse to steal. If you want to advocate stealing I suggest you at least remove the bible quote from your sig. Kinda hypocritical... :rolleyes:

[J.Allen]

Well as for music...that "free" music is pirated music and denies artists their money.

If you want to advocate stealing I suggest you at least remove the bible quote from your sig. Kinda hypocritical... :rolleyes:

I think you'll find that struggling bands/singers are happy for people to donwload their music, as it is a great way to distribute their work. It's only the people that have made it that seem to have an issue, Because they're Greedy.

As for my Bible quote: I'm just bringing light to those who sit in darkness (this includes ingnorance,) :p

[aswitcher]

I think you'll find that struggling bands/singers are happy for people to donwload their music, as it is a great way to distribute their work. It's only the people that have made it that seem to have an issue, Because they're Greedy.


Really? Why bother with CDs then? Nah, this is perhaps the view of some small number of minor and maybe one or two major artists but thats all. I think your believing a view that helps you justify your piracy...along the same lines hackers use that all information should be free. I feel confident that the VAST majority of artists need/want the income to keep making their music.



As for my Bible quote: I'm just bringing light to those who sit in darkness (this includes ingnorance,) :p

Ignorance...well I guess seperation from God can be regarded as ignorance (lack of knowledge) but I dont think I am being ignorant. Trying to twist scripture to justify a position when there is other scripture that speaks plainly on the subject of theft seems pretty ...selective.

Perhaps you should take a look at Ex20:15; Mt19:18; Roman13:9; Eph4:28 to reference a few.

Anyway I think an Australian ITMS will reduce piracy and provide a successful service to us.

[broken_keyboard]

I think you'll find that struggling bands/singers are happy for people to donwload their music, as it is a great way to distribute their work. It's only the people that have made it that seem to have an issue, Because they're Greedy.


You think it's OK to steal from someone just because they're rich? Christians are so evil.

[abc123]

Why would Australian honestly pay to download compressed format music, when it can be downloaded for free. I mean seriously. What's more iTunes is a crappy program (system resourse leach,) and has that "can ounly be burnt 3 times or so" thing for payed for downloads (or so I'm lead to believe.)
why would americans or english, or french or anyone?

[J.Allen]

You think it's OK to steal from someone just because they're rich? Christians are so evil.
I'm not Christain, Just saw that quote in "The Saint" staring Val Kilmer. And throught it was rather good.

I could change it to this: “Unfortunately we cannot legislate against stupidity” Honourable Mike Rann 2003.

Back on topic:
Given the chance to have a string of 1's and 0's for free, or to buy it for ~$2.00AUD (we won't get the $1.00USD the people in the states get.) What you do? Keeping in mind you are not actually recieving a physical product.

[aswitcher]

Back on topic:
Given the chance to have a string of 1's and 0's for free, or to buy it for ~$2.00AUD (we won't get the $1.00USD the people in the states get.) What you do? Keeping in mind you are not actually recieving a physical product.

A debate about a physical product is really not relevant (Electricity is physical else it couldn't harm you.)

Intellectual Property is the issue. When you can get for all intensive purposes a perfect copy of a product (so not a really compressed TV or movie that is IP but is hardly anything comparable to the real thing) like music then the rightful copyright owner is denied a reasonable recompense for bringing you pleasure from their art. Because there seem to be millions of people doing this each day music makers are obviously loosing out big time. Those with big label backing are still surviving but how many that need that money for their CD are not getting enough and so aren't able to get the financial support they need/deserve to give us even more great art/music.

Whilst I like the idea of hearing a few songs from an album before I buy it (what radio and MTV and friends have been doing for years) and the net provides that opportunity (likley illegal) I think its only fair if you plan to play it often or keep it to buy the music to give the artists their money to keep making their music. My view is after a few plays if you can't delete a track/albumn you have downloaded then its only fair you buy it.

[748s]

I'm not Christain, Just saw that quote in "The Saint" staring Val Kilmer. And throught it was rather good.

I could change it to this: “Unfortunately we cannot legislate against stupidity” Honourable Mike Rann 2003.

Back on topic:
Given the chance to have a string of 1's and 0's for free, or to buy it for ~$2.00AUD (we won't get the $1.00USD the people in the states get.) What you do? Keeping in mind you are not actually recieving a physical product.

j. allen.......thought i recognised the banter. just can't remeber the name you were using when you got banned. what was that name? that mike rann quote bought it all back.

[J.Allen]

j. allen.......thought i recognised the banter. just can't remeber the name you were using when you got banned. what was that name? that mike rann quote bought it all back.
busted :p.
Hey fellas how's it been
(Manitoubalck, manitoublack, banned, bandagain, Opteron (password is athlon64, you can only read post form this user if your logged in :confused: ) I 95% sure I have over 1000 posts under these various usernames.
Hey Rowerhttp://celica.net/ubb/graemlins/bigthumbup.gif

I'm just offering a semi valid point of view. Remember that currently (as I believe) all music downloaded in AUS is done for free. And I dare say the payed for download services in the USA and UK only represent a small fraction of the download market. While I aknowlege that it is theft, It's like 2 minors having sex. It's illegal, but you can't regulate it.

[aswitcher]

busted :p.
Hey fellas how's it been
(Manitoubalck, manitoublack, banned, bandagain, Opteron (password is athlon64, you can only read post form this user if your logged in :confused: ) I 95% sure I have over 1000 posts under these various usernames.
Hey Rowerhttp://celica.net/ubb/graemlins/bigthumbup.gif

I'm just offering a semi valid point of view. Remember that currently (as I believe) all music downloaded in AUS is done for free. And I dare say the payed for download services in the USA and UK only represent a small fraction of the download market. While I aknowlege that it is theft, It's like 2 minors having sex. It's illegal, but you can't regulate it.

Laws are rules that society agrees upon to regulate itself and promote fair and ethical behaviour. Laws are there to provide equal protection for everyone from harms, based upon experience and wisdom. They are fundamental to civilisation's longterm survival and progress. By being part of a particular society you are agreeing to the bonds that make up that society. If you disagree you can always seek out a society whos values are more your own.

Just because you can break laws doesn't mean that harm doesn't flow from your actions or that you aren't risking more than you expect. In a good democracy laws should steer us away from risks and harms...under age sex being a good example of where risks can dramatically alter ones life for ever and for which society tries to protect us from.

You may think you're a very small part of an absolutely huge and prolific abuse of music owners rights...but that hardly makes it right or mitigates that fact that your are part of that harm.

[broken_keyboard]

Given the chance to have a string of 1's and 0's for free, or to buy it for ~$2.00AUD (we won't get the $1.00USD the people in the states get.) What you do? Keeping in mind you are not actually recieving a physical product.

Pay the $2. Don't sacrifice your honor for a few crappy songs. As they say, a hole is the heart is far worse than a hole in the wallet.

[748s]

busted :p.

Manitoubalck, manitoublack, banned, bandagain, Opteron


ahhhh.......the memories. you can't keep away can you.

i will be glad to see the end of the physical product.
give me 0's and 1's.
give me the range of music an online store can deliver rather than the 50 best selling cd's a cd store offers.
if you are interested in anything outside of mainstream pop you are struggling to find anything locally.
all your arguments are flawed.
you are trying to justify your law breaking.
you can't.
just admit it.
if you are going to do it, just do it, don't try and justify it.

welcome back. how long before j.allen gets banned? :D

[Mudbug]

welcome back. how long before j.allen gets banned? :D

about a minute.