2010 Mac Pro

[wes1856]

I was just about to order an '09 Mac Pro until I realized (duh) that new ones will likely be announced Wednesday. Any idea on changes in configuration (assuming i7 will be an option)? How much have prices changed in the past?

[beaker7]

I was just about to order an '09 Mac Pro until I realized (duh) that new ones will likely be announced Wednesday. Any idea on changes in configuration (assuming i7 will be an option)? How much have prices changed in the past?

What makes you so sure?

[Icaras]

Finally, a new 2010 Mac Pro thread. And no, I'm not being sarcastic :p

I've been waiting for quite some time now and I'm not sure how long my patience can last at this point....though, I highly doubt it will be released on Wednesday. :(

[Cindori]

likely 100% to 09 mac, but with 6 core gulftown cpu and mobo that supports them.

[nanofrog]

likely 100% to 09 mac, but with 6 core gulftown cpu and mobo that supports them.
It seems it will be similar to the '07 systems in terms of what transpired as far as features go (same board, new chips). But this time around, the boards will have different firmware that adds the microcode for the new processors in order to work (unlike the '06 and '07 systems, where the firmware was identical).

[TennisandMusic]

I simply cannot fathom a 6 core single processor model that only had 4 ram slots. If they do that, Apple is insane. Hopefully we get a new board.

[Abyssgh0st]

I highly doubt the next MP will come out till a good motherboard to fit the Gulftowns comes out.

[nanofrog]

I simply cannot fathom a 6 core single processor model that only had 4 ram slots. If they do that, Apple is insane. Hopefully we get a new board.
You can hope, but I wouldn't bet on it. Seriously. Changing the microcode and placining the new processors on it is the cheapest thing they can do to get a working system. It's systems engineering in it's most basic sense, and really starts with Intel's methodologies. Same socket, chipset and ICH components comprise the base system. Other items can be added/changed, but those can't, as there's no replacements.

They could replace something here or there to update features (i.e. adding 6.0Gb/s SATA, but that means additional parts and a board re-design, as the ICH's SATA controllers are only 3.0Gb/s), but given the MP's market, I don't think it will be financially viable for Apple to do so. Not until the next system (2011, which is a Tock cycle = new architecture).

[Xeocon]

I too am at the brink! Can't wait for an update.

I'm wishing somthing will be announced on the 27th, but I can't see it happening. Perhaps a silent update within a week after the event?

At least once this tablet (or whatever it is) is announced, we'll move closer to seeing the 2010s appear.

[seisend]

Wait for the Mac Pro 2010. But I wouldn't expect a !BANG! for the buck in this years Mac Pro either. I don't believe that Apple is going to announce a new model this wednesday. I bet on mars !

[Techhie]

Any predictions of release date? I have a wad of cash with Steve's name on it (and an empty desk with two lonely 30" displays):(

[Xeocon]

Any predictions of release date? I have a wad of cash with Steve's name on it (and an empty desk with two lonely 30" displays):(

Lonely 23" Aluminums here...

[PurpleLogix]

I'll keep those monitors busy if you like?

[Techhie]

Lonely 23" Aluminums here...

I know it was a good choice getting rid of the lame duck '09 quad, but man, I'm feeling the pain without a workstation. The iMac just isn't the same you know :rolleyes:

[Techhie]

I highly doubt the next MP will come out till a good motherboard to fit the Gulftowns comes out.

It's already been said that Apple would only have to do minor adjustments to the current logic boards and code to make them Gulftown-ready. If you were saying that the MP won't be released until a fitting motherboard comes out PC-side first, remember that Apple has had an exclusivity deal with Intel going for new chips through the past 2 generations of MP :rolleyes:

Hopefully a deal will follow through soon, I can't hold out much longer without a main machine

[nanofrog]

It's already been said that Apple would only have to do minor adjustments to the current logic boards and code to make them Gulftown-ready. If you were saying that the MP won't be released until a fitting motherboard comes out PC-side first, remember that Apple has had an exclusivity deal with Intel going for new chips through the past 2 generations of MP :rolleyes:

Hopefully a deal will follow through soon, I can't hold out much longer without a main machine
There may be a few new PC boards, but the primary components (LGA socket, ICH and chipset) will be the same as what came out on the first LGA1366 boards. Existing board will work with a microcode update, and will happen (it's cheaper for other board makers to do this as well). Additional parts can be added, such as USB 3.0 and 6.0Gb/s SATA via other chips to newer high end boards (which will be evident in the MSRPs too).

In Apple's case, it doesn't make a lot of sense to do a re-design. It all comes down to economics. Maybe a part here or there will get swapped out that's compliant to a new spec (same package, just soldered in place of the '09's USB chip = no re-design, or PCB re-work), such as USB 3.0. But not much else could be done that won't cost more to produce other than the component cost.

The Gulftowns will be evil enough, as they're not going to be cheaper than the current Nehalem parts used. I actually expect one of two things:
1. The cost will go up if the clocks remain the same per model point
2. The cost will be similar (small increase) with lower clocks per model point (base, mid, top end).

[Techhie]

There may be a few new PC boards, but the primary components (LGA socket, ICH and chipset) will be the same as what came out on the first LGA1366 boards. Existing board will work with a microcode update, and will happen (it's cheaper for other board makers to do this as well). Additional parts can be added, such as USB 3.0 and 6.0Gb/s SATA via other chips to newer high end boards (which will be evident in the MSRPs too).

In Apple's case, it doesn't make a lot of sense to do a re-design. It all comes down to economics. Maybe a part here or there will get swapped out that's compliant to a new spec (same package, just soldered in place of the '09's USB chip = no re-design, or PCB re-work), such as USB 3.0. But not much else could be done that won't cost more to produce other than the component cost.

The Gulftowns will be evil enough, as they're not going to be cheaper than the current Nehalem parts used. I actually expect one of two things:
1. The cost will go up if the clocks remain the same per model point
2. The cost will be similar (small increase) with lower clocks per model point (base, mid, top end).


In either case, the update should bring the prices of the '08 models down, so an octad may be in my future. I just cant sit around much longer. You know it's bad when you get close to pulling the trigger on '06 craigslist models :rolleyes:

[Xeocon]

Are the 09's really that bad? I honestly don't think I mind paying a bit extra just to get the machine in time for Uni (lat Feb.)

I'm doing Photoshop and video editing on it. This audio problem on the 09's should be resolved semi-soonish in 10.6.3? I guess if the 6-cores come out with higher clocks for the same price, I'll feel stupid. If they are higher priced, I don't know if I'd regret purchasing an 09.

[Umbongo]

Are the 09's really that bad? I honestly don't think I mind paying a bit extra just to get the machine in time for Uni (lat Feb.)

I'm doing Photoshop and video editing on it. This audio problem on the 09's should be resolved semi-soonish in 10.6.3? I guess if the 6-cores come out with higher clocks for the same price, I'll feel stupid. If they are higher priced, I don't know if I'd regret purchasing an 09.

The 2008 systems were great for what you got at the price they were and compared to what else was available for their lifetime.

The 2009 systems are poor in comparison to other hardware, the features they could have had and their price.

The 2010 systems could be great again, but it seems unlikely much will change.

[nanofrog]

In either case, the update should bring the prices of the '08 models down, so an octad may be in my future. I just cant sit around much longer. You know it's bad when you get close to pulling the trigger on '06 craigslist models :rolleyes:
IMO, the '08 is the machine to get. :D Now, and even when the 2010's do ship, as the value won't return to the levels of the pre '09 systems. The CPU'
s are expensive (certainly won't drop lower than the current parts, and given the changes, will be higher clock per clock given the added cores and die shrink). Intel has to pay for the new fab tech and facilities.

Now consider Apple's after high margins, and getting higher, according to the front page today (up to 40.9% now from 37.9% same quarter last year), it doesn't look good. :eek: :(

I'd go ahead and get the '08 while you can, as they've been available so long, the stock has to have dwindled by now. And when the 2010's hit and users see they're not the best solution/acceptable value, the remaining 3.2GHz '08's (refurb store) will clear fast, and you run the risk of losing the opportunity. As you can still get extended Apple Care, it's worth it, even at the current price. ;) I'm not even sure the price will actually drop on the '08 refurbs, given Apple's penchant for high margins. :rolleyes:

Are the 09's really that bad? I honestly don't think I mind paying a bit extra just to get the machine in time for Uni (lat Feb.)

I'm doing Photoshop and video editing on it. This audio problem on the 09's should be resolved semi-soonish in 10.6.3? I guess if the 6-cores come out with higher clocks for the same price, I'll feel stupid. If they are higher priced, I don't know if I'd regret purchasing an 09.
1. The pricing of the '09's killed the value previous Intel MP's offered.
2. There are other technical issues as well, not just the overheating per CPU % usage/power increase/performance loss thread you're aware of. DIMM slots for inexpensive RAM upgrades, RAID (software and hardware both), eSATA, and a few other issues exist as well (solutions tend to be much more expensive than users should have to deal with). If it's left stock, it will be fine (save the thread mentioned), but given you're into video editing, you'll need to improve bottlenecks inherent in the base systems with additional RAM and RAID to improve HDD throughputs.

Simply put, you won't get higher clocks + 2 additional cores for less money. NWIH. As I mentioned above, the best system to get is the 3.2GHz '08 Octad in the refurb store. Seriously. They're easier to work with (and cheaper), and don't have the issues the current MP's do (and the 2010's to follow, even if OS X is straightened out).

BTW, there's no indication 10.6.3 will fix the issue from the repaired list available. :rolleyes: :(

[Techhie]

I'd go ahead and get the '08 while you can, as they've been available so long, the stock has to have dwindled by now. And when the 2010's hit and users see they're not the best solution/acceptable value, the remaining 3.2GHz '08's (refurb store) will clear fast, and you run the risk of losing the opportunity. As you can still get extended Apple Care, it's worth it, even at the current price. ;) I'm not even sure the price will actually drop on the '08 refurbs, given Apple's penchant for high margins. :rolleyes:



The only problem being I have $2499 saved :rolleyes: I don't know that I could afford an '08 model with such *modest* funds

[Xeocon]

Thanks for the reply.

I understand from a professional standpoint, being bottlenecked is a big no-no if your looking to output at the fastest rate possible. I myself am a student. For me photoshop will be the priority and video editing secondary. For video editing I want to be able to work at a reasonable rate. Doesn't have to be ridiculously quick, just fast enough to feel like I'm not sitting around waiting for the computer to keep up with what I'm doing creatively.

I'm already on a tight budget, so I wont be looking to do any other upgrades apart from a bigger HD, graphics card and more RAM.

I'm from New Zealand. I've been checking the refurb store here for 2 months, and not 1 single Mac Pro has popped up, let alone a 2008 model.

I'm kind of in a rut, I either buy a rip-off 2009, or not be able to afford a 2010 at all.

[slughead]

my 2.6ghz mac pro 2006 is still chugging along

Though apple's dropped bootcamp support... :mad:

All I really want is a decent video card for PC prices.

[nanofrog]

The only problem being I have $2499 saved :rolleyes: I don't know that I could afford an '08 model with such *modest* funds
Oh. OK, you've an excuse then... :D :p

Maybe a used system if you can inspect it prior to purchase (ideally still has Apple Care on it), otherwise you're likely left with no choice but to get an '09 Quad, preferably from the refurb store as well.

I understand from a professional standpoint, being bottlenecked is a big no-no if your looking to output at the fastest rate possible. I myself am a student. For me photoshop will be the priority and video editing secondary. For video editing I want to be able to work at a reasonable rate. Doesn't have to be ridiculously quick, just fast enough to feel like I'm not sitting around waiting for the computer to keep up with what I'm doing creatively.

I'm already on a tight budget, so I wont be looking to do any other upgrades apart from a bigger HD, graphics card and more RAM.

I'm from New Zealand. I've been checking the refurb store here for 2 months, and not 1 single Mac Pro has popped up, let alone a 2008 model.

I'm kind of in a rut, I either buy a rip-off 2009, or not be able to afford a 2010 at all.
I didn't know you're in NZ, as the 3.2's I refered to are available in North America. I've no idea about other markets.

You can do software RAID (logic board + OS X) when on a budget. Without it, your system will be slow with drive access, particularly with video editing.

Just make sure you have a backup, as you'd need one with a single drive anyway. If you don't, you'll eventually get burnt. So do yourself a favor, and plan for enough HDD's. Seriously. You'll thank yourself one day. ;)

[Xeocon]

Oh yeah sorry I didn't imply you should know I was from New Zealand. Just sucks we don't have the numbers to get a solid pool of refurbed Mac Pros available!

So if you were in my situation, would you pull the trigger on an 09?

[Techhie]

Oh. OK, you've an excuse then... :D :p

Maybe a used system if you can inspect it prior to purchase (ideally still has Apple Care on it), otherwise you're likely left with no choice but to get an '09 Quad, preferably from the refurb store as well.


It's upsetting because I just sold the '09, hoping to get a better deal in the '10's. We will wait until Wednesday, but if there is not an update then I will have to look into the '08 2.8 GHz or the '09 Quad (ugh) :(

[nanofrog]

It's upsetting because I just sold the '09, hoping to get a better deal in the '10's. We will wait until Wednesday, but if there is not an update then I will have to look into the '08 2.8 GHz or the '09 Quad (ugh) :(
It's not that far off, so you'll be able to figure out what you need to do soon enough. :)

[Techhie]

It's not that far off, so you'll be able to figure out what you need to do soon enough. :)

If I can pick up an '06 on the cheap, I could use that until updates and then sell it :rolleyes:

[nanofrog]

If I can pick up an '06 on the cheap, I could use that until updates and then sell it :rolleyes:
A PITA at best (sell, wait for funds to clear, then order a new system), a financial loss being possible as well.

Given the limited budget and what you're doing, an '08 would be the best solution IMO. They're not slouches by any means, are less expensive to purchase, and will be upgradable for some time yet. Upgrades are easier and less expensive too (perhaps save 800MHz FB-DIMM's, which aren't awful anyway).

[Techhie]

A PITA at best (sell, wait for funds to clear, then order a new system), a financial loss being possible as well.

Given the limited budget and what you're doing, an '08 would be the best solution IMO. They're not slouches by any means, are less expensive to purchase, and will be upgradable for some time yet. Upgrades are easier and less expensive too (perhaps save 800MHz FB-DIMM's, which aren't awful anyway).

Yeah, but which one could I afford? Even the 2.8 GHz models seem to be going at or around my price range, and I was hoping (with buying a used model) to at least get some money remaining for RAM/GPU upgrade =/

[Icaras]

Nano,

I know you can't say for sure when the 10s will be out, but I think I recall you guessing they could come out in January?

Do you still believe there's such a possibility that we might see the 10s arrive this Wednesday? If not, do you think February is more likely than a march release?

Sorry man, I'm dying here. I need some reassurances :(

[Techhie]

Sorry man, I'm dying here. I need some reassurances :(

Same here, I would hate to be waiting for me '08 order to arrive while watching '10s be announced :(

nanofrog, we know that you can't reassure us if you don't have facts, I think the pre-event jitters are getting to us :rolleyes:

[ChrisMc73]

So if nothing is announced Wed on a 2010 MP, for sure they'll be announced or out by March right? Is it worth it to wait till March or go for an 08 or 09 box?

From reading this thread, sounds like a lot of you prefer the 08 MP over any of the 09 MP, wondering why this is? If this is the case, what do you all think of this deal that is being offered to me from a friend of a friend who is selling his MacPro3,1 that he has upgraded well...check out these specs:

MacPro and 30" ACD - $3300
MacPro3,1: 2008
Processor: 8 Cores - 2 X 2.8 GHz Quad Core Intel Xeons
RAM: 16GB
Video: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT
Display: Apple 30" Cinema Display - NO dead pixels
Hard Disks:
128 G.Skill Falcon SSD for the system drive
2 X 1TB HDD for storage
Added extra: Apple Magic Mouse, Wireless Keyboard

Would you take this offer and not have any second thoughts about an 09 or 10 MP?
Main uses will be photo editing with LightRoom2 and Photoshop, and Video Editing with FCP.

[Techhie]

So if nothing is announced Wed on a 2010 MP, for sure they'll be announced or out by March right? Is it worth it to wait till March or go for an 08 or 09 box?

From reading this thread, sounds like a lot of you prefer the 08 MP over any of the 09 MP, wondering why this is? If this is the case, what do you all think of this deal that is being offered to me from a friend of a friend who is selling his MacPro3,1 that he has upgraded well...check out these specs:



Would you take this offer and not have any second thoughts about an 09 or 10 MP?
Main uses will be photo editing with LightRoom2 and Photoshop, and Video Editing with FCP.

take the deal; even if a new system comes out it would be easy for you to make $500 profit or so selling that setup :) (sorry, still thinking in craigslist terms)

[ChrisMc73]

take the deal; even if a new system comes out it would be easy for you to make $500 profit or so selling that setup :) (sorry, still thinking in craigslist terms)

So you think this setup is solid? He's also added two Sonnet Allegro cards, which have 4 USB slots each, I think that sweetens the deal; gives the box around 13 USB 2.0 slots.

The only thing not included is Apple Care, the didn't buy it, as he's a techy and figured he'd just fix any issues it might have. I asked him if he had any random logical board issues, and he said no, its been a perfect machine. He just decided to migrate to PC and has a monster Windows 7 machine.

I just feel odd buying something two years old, especially if something new is soon to be annouced. But this deal comes with the 30" ACD...trying to figure out what a new machine with all the same setup would cost me new...probably around $6500?

The SSD system disc setup is a sweet deal too.

[Techhie]

So you think this setup is solid? He's also added two Sonnet Allegro cards, which have 4 USB slots each, I think that sweetens the deal; gives the box around 13 USB 2.0 slots.

The only thing not included is Apple Care, the didn't buy it, as he's a techy and figured he'd just fix any issues it might have. I asked him if he had any random logical board issues, and he said no, its been a perfect machine. He just decided to migrate to PC and has a monster Windows 7 machine.

I just feel odd buying something two years old, especially if something new is soon to be annouced. But this deal comes with the 30" ACD...trying to figure out what a new machine with all the same setup would cost me new...probably around $6500?

The SSD system disc setup is a sweet deal too.

yeah, the setup is worth it simply because of the resale value. It all depends on if you are the kind of person to be happy with a two year-old computer

[ncc1701d]

sheesh... can't an '09 owner get some love?? :o ;)

[ChrisMc73]

yeah, the setup is worth it simply because of the resale value. It all depends on if you are the kind of person to be happy with a two year-old computer

Well, I'm on a 5 year old, maybe 5+ year old Dell Workstation right now, its crap, loud, slow, clunky, and needs to go...I just want to be on a Mac!

If the performance is close or comparable to an 09, I could live with it being an 08...he said the OS boots up in 7-10 seconds on that SSD!

[ChrisMc73]

sheesh... can't an '09 owner get some love?? :o ;)

There are only two refurbed 09's in the Apple Store right now,that I see, $3200 and $3900 for them both respectively. I can get this 08, with the upgrades and that 30" monitor for $3300...it seems almost too good to be true.

[Dr.Pants]

Wasn't Wednesday all about mobility? "The New MacPro - comes with wheels" :D

Not saying nothing will happen, but the only reason to be "excited" is that Apple (IIRC) dropped the Nehalem processors out of nowhere. Personally I think we'll have to wait a little while longer for Gulftown (will eat words if wrong). However, I admit, it would be pretty simple to implement what Nanofrog suggested in a short amount of time.

Step 1: Update microode
Step 2: Insert 6-core CPUs
Step 3: ????
Step 4: Profit!

[hwhalers]

Wasn't Wednesday all about mobility?

The MP does have handles. :p

[voyagerd]

I sold my Power Mac G5 this summer and have been getting along on my laptop, swapping out all my hard drives via an external. I really hope the prices don't go up too much as I don't have a job. A desktop would be really nice for the 3D rendering stuff I do, not to mention gaming.

[Nostromo]

There are only two refurbed 09's in the Apple Store right now,that I see, $3200 and $3900 for them both respectively. I can get this 08, with the upgrades and that 30" monitor for $3300...it seems almost too good to be true.

There are cheaper ways to fry your eggs while listening to music.

[Dr.Pants]

The MP does have handles. :p

The love handles make me enjoy my machine that much more.

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[peskaa]

Personally, I doubt there's going to be a Mac Pro update tomorrow. Apple will be content with Arrandale laptop, tablet, iLife and iPhone OS 4.0 for one day. Throw in the fact that Gulftown isn't even out yet, and I think we won't be seeing a refresh until Marc at the earliest.

[powerhouse7]

That's an awesome deal IMO. I'd say take it!

[parakiet]

Oh yeah sorry I didn't imply you should know I was from New Zealand. Just sucks we don't have the numbers to get a solid pool of refurbed Mac Pros available!

So if you were in my situation, would you pull the trigger on an 09?

well, i am in your situation, only living in Europe.
refurbs are impossible to get here.. so yes, i'm waiting for the 2010 mac.

[ChrisMc73]

There are cheaper ways to fry your eggs while listening to music.

What the heck is that supposed to mean?

[gugucom]

What the heck is that supposed to mean?

he obviously relates to the audio bug that wastes a lot of power on the 2009 Mac Pros.

[ChrisMc73]

he obviously relates to the audio bug that wastes a lot of power on the 2009 Mac Pros.

Ahh, Ok, thanks, sorry I haven't researched the 2009 models much, so I didn't realize there was a big issue.

Can I ask you MacPro experts if the MacPro3,1 model is 64-bit capable?

[wes1856]

Good input from all. Went to local Apple store last night and guy (who seemed knowledgeable compared to most of the folks in the stores and wouldn't say much) did tell me to come back on the 27th and talk again about Mac Pro....hmmmmm

Need to figure out what to do as my Dell is dying a slow death and I'm finally giving up the ghost on Windows (good riddance!)

[parakiet]

did tell me to come back on the 27th and talk again about Mac Pro....hmmmmm


don't get your hopes up too high!

he knew you wouldn't buy one today. ;)

[wes1856]

actually was ready to pull the trigger and he -- in so many words -- convinced me not to... Either he's honest or a bad salesman!:D

[J the Ninja]

actually was ready to pull the trigger and he -- in so many words -- convinced me not to... Either he's honest or a bad salesman!:D

He may not know anything more than we do. It's not exactly a smart idea to buy a new Mac the day before a a press conference.

[parakiet]

actually was ready to pull the trigger and he -- in so many words -- convinced me not to... Either he's honest or a bad salesman!:D

kinda hoping on the first :p

[quadG5guy]

What makes you so sure?
He read it on the interwebs. It must be true.

[Umbongo]

He may not know anything more than we do. It's not exactly a smart idea to buy a new Mac the day before a a press conference.

No, even if you are certain it won't be updated it seems a little silly. As has been mentioned retail workers know as much as we do on here, at most.

[Nostromo]

What the heck is that supposed to mean?

This:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=795966

[moonlit28]

my friend work for intel. he told me that intel still work on 32nm 6 core chip processor...cuz having problem with heating and high power consuming.

[nanofrog]

Yeah, but which one could I afford? Even the 2.8 GHz models seem to be going at or around my price range, and I was hoping (with buying a used model) to at least get some money remaining for RAM/GPU upgrade =/
An '08 may be hard to get a good deal on, but be patient. They do show up from time to time, and you have to leap fast. I'd recommend getting one that can be inspected prior to payment, to be sure it's not DOA (local, as fleaBay can be dangerous).

Nano,

I know you can't say for sure when the 10s will be out, but I think I recall you guessing they could come out in January?

Do you still believe there's such a possibility that we might see the 10s arrive this Wednesday? If not, do you think February is more likely than a march release?

Sorry man, I'm dying here. I need some reassurances :(
I doubt there will be an announcement tomorrow, as the information available indicates it's for portable devices. MP's though have handles, don't really qualifiy. Maybe if you had a wheeled case of some sort equiped with batteries and a power inverter system, it might. :eek: :p

Seriously, assuming Apple has made arrangements with Intel to get parts early, it's likely they're just now getting their hands on them. Then figure in a standard lead time of 13 wks before they can ship (assemble, accrue some stock, then ship). So March or April are more realistic for users actually getting their hands on a 2010 model IMO.

[Magaman]

Everyone keeps talking about how tomorrow is about portable, but you're all forgetting the "creation" if tomorrow is all about ways to create, then why wouldn't a MP update be in that, I mean the MP is only the best way to create on a MAC.
Before you flame, yes I still know the chances are low. But also a MP update wouldn't really constitute much fanfare anyway, so a quick "Hey we are updating the Mac Pros" is possible.
I'm just keeping my fingers cross, cause the waiting to upgrade is killing me

[nanofrog]

I'm just keeping my fingers cross, cause the waiting to upgrade is killing me
Hmm... Bunch of anxious people around here... :D :p

[Techhie]

Hmm... Bunch of anxious people around here... :D :p

I feel as though we can't assume that Intel hasn't been producing the Gufltown (at least in limited quantities) to fulfill an exclusivity deal with Apple. An announcement could happen tomorrow, followed by a shipment in February (a month prior to chip release, emulating the last MP refresh)

[Dont Hurt Me]

Good input from all. Went to local Apple store last night and guy (who seemed knowledgeable compared to most of the folks in the stores and wouldn't say much) did tell me to come back on the 27th and talk again about Mac Pro....hmmmmm

Need to figure out what to do as my Dell is dying a slow death and I'm finally giving up the ghost on Windows (good riddance!)Its about time it got a new design, heck this thing is from the G5 days and the new iMac is just as good. Apple really needs a new POWERMAC and and a Consumer tower to fill the void between Mini and Macpro.

[nanofrog]

I feel as though we can't assume that Intel hasn't been producing the Gufltown (at least in limited quantities) to fulfill an exclusivity deal with Apple. An announcement could happen tomorrow, followed by a shipment in February (a month prior to chip release, emulating the last MP refresh)
Scheduling is tight. Once final verification is complete (process testing for example, as design verification should have been completed already, assuming there's not been problems), they start manufacturing. Parts aren't going to sit in a warehouse for very long either. Just until the quantity is large enough to fill the shipment quantity. As soon as that's done and they're loaded into the shipping containers, they're out the door.

In simple terms, they want to get paid, and that doesn't happen with vapor parts. They have to ship a working product, so they're in a hurry to get everything sorted, get the fab running, and the parts out the door. Lead times are typically 13wks for a reason. That's the time needed to get them manufactured in sufficient quantity to ship, and then have the parts delivered to their buyers.

[Techhie]

Well, so much for Mac Pro updates. Disappointment abound today, as I'm also underwhelmed by the iPad :(

Looks like it will have to be the '08, at least for now

[Xeocon]

Yeah thinking 09 in the next couple of days. Problem is it could take up to a month to reach me. Would hate for an update to happen in that period.

[nanofrog]

Well, so much for Mac Pro updates. Disappointment abound today, as I'm also underwhelmed by the iPad :(

Looks like it will have to be the '08, at least for now
The '08's are NOT a disappointment. Seriously. They hold their own next to the '09's in general, and offer a better value. Some models are even faster than their similar priced counterparts. That's saying something. :D

Yeah thinking 09 in the next couple of days. Problem is it could take up to a month to reach me. Would hate for an update to happen in that period.
Take a look at the '08 models before leaping, as you could get a better deal. Especially if you're looking at the base '09 Octad (2.26GHz). The 3.2GHz '08 Octad is faster in both single and multi-threaded applications for the same $$$ (here (http://store.apple.com/us/product/FB451LL/A?mco=MTA4MjcxNDQ)), and it's easier to perform upgrades, especially RAID (hardware or software).

There's also fewer technical issues as well, some can be gotten around, but are a bit pricey. Others, have no solutions as of yet (example (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=795966)).

[Techhie]

Just bought a temporary '06 (much to my dismay) in hopes of either buying an updated one or waiting for '08 prices to come down a bit more.

[nanofrog]

Just bought a temporary '06 (much to my dismay) in hopes of either buying an updated one or waiting for '08 prices to come down a bit more.
What will you be using it for in the immediate future?

(Clarification might help, as it could last you longer than you think, depending on what you're doing). 3D work, it will be limited in the very near future (i.e. HD4870 is the current best card possible), but it's going to be great for PS for awhile, given the software can't use more than 2 cores right now. No idea when that will change, but it doesn't seem immediate, given the tumultuous relationship between Apple and Adobe.

[Xeocon]

Take a look at the '08 models before leaping, as you could get a better deal. Especially if you're looking at the base '09 Octad (2.26GHz). The 3.2GHz '08 Octad is faster in both single and multi-threaded applications for the same $$$ (here (http://store.apple.com/us/product/FB451LL/A?mco=MTA4MjcxNDQ)), and it's easier to perform upgrades, especially RAID (hardware or software).

There's also fewer technical issues as well, some can be gotten around, but are a bit pricey. Others, have no solutions as of yet (example (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=795966)).[/QUOTE]

Thanks for your response.

Yeah its this damn audio issue that's stopping me. TradeMe (New Zealand's auction hub) has no 08s on offer. Quick google search results in nothing. Only real option is an 09.

[nanofrog]

Thanks for your response.

Yeah its this damn audio issue that's stopping me. TradeMe (New Zealand's auction hub) has no 08s on offer. Quick google search results in nothing. Only real option is an 09.
:cool: NP. :)

I recall you stated the NZ refurb store didn't have them, but I was hoping you could locate a used system. :( I actually checked prior to posting this, and didn't see any MP's at all, thinking there could be one pop up on occasion so worth checking often.

You'll have to be patient, as they should pop up from time to time somewhere (and go really quickly everywhere else, so I'd presume the same there), assuming waiting is an option. Otherwise, it's an '09, which really isn't worth it IMO. Just too much proprietization (i.e. expensive adapters for 3rd party RAID on the HDD bays), technical issues (other issues such as flaky PCIe eSATA cards), and high cost (loss of value found in earlier MP's). All in all, a poor mix. :(

You're definitely in a tough spot. :(

[Xeocon]

I guess if I'm looking at an 09 Quad, I'm already tossing value out the window. Didn't want an iMac, purchased my monitors now I just want a reliable Mac Pro to get my work done.

So if we take money out of the equation (I can only just afford an 09 Quad) and just look at the machine that will meet needs for photoshop and video editing for the next 4 years, hows it look?

Will this audio problem prematurely fry the CPU? I don't want to be listening to music while working with the guilt of knowing its the equivalent of feeding cigarettes to an athlete during a triathlon.

[Transporteur]

Will this audio problem prematurely fry the CPU? I don't want to be listening to music while working with the guilt of knowing its the equivalent of feeding cigarettes to an athlete during a triathlon.

That's uncertain. Just make sure you buy AppleCare for that machine. Might become pretty useful in a few years... :)

[bzollinger]

Its about time it got a new design, heck this thing is from the G5 days and the new iMac is just as good. Apple really needs a new POWERMAC and and a Consumer tower to fill the void between Mini and Macpro.

I agree with this 1,000,000% over!!

There are plenty of people that need the scalability of a tower, but don't need 16GB of RAM & 8-12 cores!

Give me a dual or a quad of ~2.8Ghz, 4-8GB of RAM, room for 4 HDDs, 4-6 USB ports, Dual DVI w/ a decent video card, and with two optical drives. And I'm set!!

This type of a set up shouldn't have to cost me $3k??? WTF? I'm ready to plunk down $3k for a PM '08-'10 or whatever, but it will be somewhat overkill.

I don't render 3D or compile C++. But I do use PS, LR, and work with fairly large files.

Come on Apple don't leave us behind for your beloved iPxxxs (you fill in the xxx's)

/rant over.

[nanofrog]

So if we take money out of the equation (I can only just afford an 09 Quad) and just look at the machine that will meet needs for photoshop and video editing for the next 4 years, hows it look?
That will depend on the software. PS for example, can only use 2 cores. But if you get heavily into 3D work, it may be too slow for making a living with it, as applications such as Maya can use all that are available (current versions). You can help things along though, by improving the system bottlenecks such as RAM capacity and HDD throughputs via RAID.

Will this audio problem prematurely fry the CPU? I don't want to be listening to music while working with the guilt of knowing its the equivalent of feeding cigarettes to an athlete during a triathlon.
It will depend on the specifics. Eventually, I expect it will get fixed with a future version of OS X, but who knows when.

There is a solution though if you're panicked about it, by using a PCIe based audio card. Not many AFAIK, but they do exist (2 for sure).

[ChrisMc73]

An '08 may be hard to get a good deal on, but be patient. They do show up from time to time, and you have to leap fast. I'd recommend getting one that can be inspected prior to payment, to be sure it's not DOA (local, as fleaBay can be dangerous).



nanofrog,

So I found a local guy who's selling his 08' MacPro3, others in my earlier post said it was a good deal, would you concur?

MacPro and 30" ACD - $3300
MacPro3,1: 2008
Processor: 8 Cores - 2 X 2.8 GHz Quad Core Intel Xeons
RAM: 16GB
Video: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT
Display: Apple 30" Cinema Display - NO dead pixels
Hard Disks:
128 G.Skill Falcon SSD for the system drive
2 X 1TB HDD for storage
Added extra: Apple Magic Mouse, Wireless Keyboard

I will be using this for PS and LR2 editing my photography, and then Adobe Premiere and/or Final Cut Express/Pro; editing HD Video shot with my Canon 5D Mark II.

I'm sure simple apps such as iLife and iWork will be fine in it, as well as everyday computing tasks; iTunes, Web Surfing, iTv streaming to my home theater, etc...

[nanofrog]

nanofrog,

So I found a local guy who's selling his 08' MacPro3, others in my earlier post said it was a good deal, would you concur?
Yes. :) It seems reasonable, given the add-ons, particularly the 30" monitor (IPS panel) and RAM alone. The other add-ons are quite nice as well.

I hope it checks out (make sure it actually works, as a member that bought one on eBay (Polish site) got burnt with a false description). At least it's local, so you can test it first. ;)

I will be using this for PS and LR2 editing my photography, and then Adobe Premiere and/or Final Cut Express/Pro; editing HD Video shot with my Canon 5D Mark II.

I'm sure simple apps such as iLife and iWork will be fine in it, as well as everyday computing tasks; iTunes, Web Surfing, iTv streaming to my home theater, etc...
It's more than adequate for what you want to do.

I'd recommend making a stripe set of the two mechanical 1TB drives to improve drive throughputs, and adding another mechanical drive for backup purposes. The SSD as a system drive will be quite nice too. :D

[JesterJJZ]

Ok...so no updates now...so when?

[sweex]

Aren't they a little upgraded?
Like the possibility to put op to 8 memory slots(8x4=32GB)
And 2TB 3gb/s SATA HDD's?
Or was this already there?

[Techhie]

Aren't they a little upgraded?
Like the possibility to put op to 8 memory slots(8x4=32GB)
And 2TB 3gb/s SATA HDD's?
Or was this already there?

Those options were added a while ago with the introduction of the 3.33 GHz quad option. I'm going to place my bets at a silent update in mid/late Feb, ship early March to adhere to Apple's exclusivity deal with Intel. As soon as that happens, this '06 is going bye-bye :D

[pionata]

Any predictions of release date? I have a wad of cash with Steve's name on it (and an empty desk with two lonely 30" displays):(

Hahaha
Get 2 iMacs 27" to run the 2 30" Acd.

You'll have enough desktop space to run the Pentagon and conquer the world.

[Techhie]

Hahaha
Get 2 iMacs 27" to run the 2 30" Acd.

You'll have enough desktop space to run the Pentagon and conquer the world.

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2452/img1088ye.jpg

I will be running the crappy '06 until the new box comes out, hopefully soon.

[ChrisMc73]

Yes. :) It seems reasonable, given the add-ons, particularly the 30" monitor (IPS panel) and RAM alone. The other add-ons are quite nice as well.

I hope it checks out (make sure it actually works, as a member that bought one on eBay (Polish site) got burnt with a false description). At least it's local, so you can test it first. ;)


It's more than adequate for what you want to do.

I'd recommend making a stripe set of the two mechanical 1TB drives to improve drive throughputs, and adding another mechanical drive for backup purposes. The SSD as a system drive will be quite nice too. :D

Thanks nanofrog. Also is this machine EFI64? Will I be able to go all 64bit and upgrade the graphics card etc?

Also, when you said make a stripe set of the two 1TB drives, how do you mean, like RAID them? What RAID # do you suggest? This is my first Mac, so would that be software RAID? (Does the OS come with that?)
I'm about to pull the trigger on this machine, once I do get to see it in person, he did post a video to his Facebook page, which I'm friends with him now, and it shows the OS booting up in like 7 -10 seconds on that SSD!

[nanofrog]

Thanks nanofrog. Also is this machine EFI64? Will I be able to go all 64bit and upgrade the graphics card etc?

Also, when you said make a stripe set of the two 1TB drives, how do you mean, like RAID them?
The '08 systems do use EFI64, so you're good there. :D That's one of the reasons it's a highly desirable system. ;)

Stripe set = RAID 0. :p

[ChrisMc73]

The '08 systems do use EFI64, so you're good there. :D That's one of the reasons it's a highly desirable system. ;)

Stripe set = RAID 0. :p

My bad, I read it too quickly...duh.
How does a Mac do this? OS Software? 3rd Party?

[nanofrog]

My bad, I read it too quickly...duh.
How does a Mac do this? OS Software? 3rd Party?
There are RAID functions (0/1/10) in OS X itself (accessible via Disk Utility).

Generally speaking, it's called software RAID as there's no separate controller that has it's own processor or cache (RAID functions are in the firmware on these, and occasionally the drivers - i.e. level 6 funcionality is in the drivers, the rest in firmware).

[ChrisMc73]

There are RAID functions (0/1/10) in OS X itself (accessible via Disk Utility).

Generally speaking, it's called software RAID as there's no separate controller that has it's own processor or cache (RAID functions are in the firmware on these, and occasionally the drivers - i.e. level 6 funcionality is in the drivers, the rest in firmware).

Very cool, thanks for the info, something I didn't know, a lot I don't know about the OS...I will soon!

I'm excited about this rig.

[nanofrog]

Very cool, thanks for the info, something I didn't know, a lot I don't know about the OS...I will soon!

I'm excited about this rig.
You should be quite happy with it. :)