Is Apple's future closed?

[str1f3]

I've always thought that touch based computing is the future and people like Gruber seem to agree:

http://daringfireball.net/2010/01/various_ipad_thoughts

I think the iPhone OS is a revelation in OS & UI design but my main concern is where Apple is headed. I don't like the locked-in App Store model and it directly flies in the face of the openness and rebelliousness that the net was found on. Right now the iPad is not far from being a total replacement for the PC.

If there ever is the day where the Mac approached this model I will have to leave the platform.

[Zyniker]

In short: No.

[bootedbear]

Right now the iPad is not far from being a total replacement for the PC.
Much as I think the iPad is a sweet device, I could not disagree more.

[Consultant]

LOL.

There is a reason iPod and iPhone is a success. What the nerds call "closed," most people call superior usability.

[str1f3]

Much as I think the iPad is a sweet device, I could not disagree more.

While it may not be the ideal device for something like Final Cut, eventually ARM processors will have the ability to handle apps like Photoshop & Logic. They have already have iPad accessories to import photos/videos so it is clear this is the direction they want to go.

LOL.

There is a reason iPod and iPhone is a success. What the nerds call "closed," most people call superior usability.

Some may say that the reason why the Mac has had success in Jobs' second era is because the Mac is easy to use.

[Cassie]

LOL.

There is a reason iPod and iPhone is a success. What the nerds call "closed," most people call superior usability.

Yes, if Apple could keep everything in-house stability would be fantastic. But it's not worth getting cut off from open source and third party apps Apple doesn't like.

[*LTD*]

I don't like the locked-in App Store model and it directly flies in the face of the openness and rebelliousness that the net was found on.

It works. And it works brilliantly. It has nothing to do with the "openness and rebelliousness" of the internet. LOL.

[KingYaba]

LOL.

There is a reason iPod and iPhone is a success. What the nerds call "closed," most people call superior usability.

That made me think of this picture.

[dead goon]

Poor bugger couldn't afford an iPhone so now he's rebelling

[Scarlet Fever]

That made me think of this picture.

I might be taking it too seriously, but i don't think that dude realises that there are a lot of free apps on the App store (more if you illegally pirate them), and sharing music and ebooks isn't permitted due to copyright restrictions.

[MTI]

In some ways, you may want to think of the terms "free and open" in computing in the same way bus station toilets are "free and open." :D

[LethalWolfe]

LOL.

There is a reason iPod and iPhone is a success. What the nerds call "closed," most people call superior usability.
The two aren't mutually exclusive.


Lethal

[str1f3]

It works. And it works brilliantly. It has nothing to do with the "openness and rebelliousness" of the internet. LOL.

I don't ever recall anyone saying the Mac platform was broken because people did what they want. And yes it has everything to do with "openness and rebelliousness" because the same guy who was on stage yesterday promoting the App Store made the 1984 ad and used to sell blue boxes that took advantage of the same company that he now locks iPhone customers into.

[NT1440]

Some may say that the reason why the Mac has had success in Jobs' second era is because the Mac is easy to use.

Which is due to, come on I know you know this one.....

Oh I'll just say it, Apple doing exactly what they do! It is no accident Apple products are incredibly easy to use, they are built from the ground up to be that way, software and hardware.

[MTI]

I don't ever recall anyone saying the Mac platform was broken because people did what they want. And yes it has everything to do with "openness and rebelliousness" because the same guy who was on stage yesterday promoting the App Store made the 1984 ad and used to sell blue boxes that took advantage of the same company that he now locks iPhone customers into.


Whoa there metaphor guy . . . or was it an analogy . . .

Apple, since its inception, has been the poster boy corporation for closed systems, not openness.

[*LTD*]

I don't ever recall anyone saying the Mac platform was broken because people did what they want. And yes it has everything to do with "openness and rebelliousness" because the same guy who was on stage yesterday promoting the App Store made the 1984 ad and used to sell blue boxes that took advantage of the same company that he now locks iPhone customers into.

You seem to be getting your James Deans mixed up with your HTMLs.

[str1f3]

Whoa there metaphor guy . . . or was it an analogy . . .

Apple, since its inception, has been the poster boy corporation for closed systems, not openness.

Actually, no, the Apple I & II series are probably the most hacked computers in history (moreso the II). As for openness on the Mac, sometimes there's a tradition in freedom for protection, but the App Store philosophy has removed any sort of choice.

[NT1440]

Actually, no, the Apple I & II series are probably the most hacked computers in history (moreso the II). As for openness on the Mac, sometimes there's a tradition in freedom for protection, but the App Store philosophy has removed any sort of choice.

Your talking about hacking as a rebuttal to "apple being the poster boy for closed systems"? Seriously?

Do you know what these terms mean?:confused:

[str1f3]

Your talking about hacking as a rebuttal to "apple being the poster boy for closed systems"? Seriously?

Do you know what these terms mean?:confused:

Uhhh yes and people like Woz encouraged it along with incredible amount of customizations that the Apple II allowed you to do. Thanks, though, for the childish fanboy attempt.

You seem to be getting your James Deans mixed up with your HTMLs.

Or maybe I just got too hooked on those 'Think Different' ads

[Silvereel]

LOL.

There is a reason iPod and iPhone is a success. What the nerds call "closed," most people call superior usability.

You know what, this is right. My aunt, as great as she is, is always finding new ways to misuse and screw up her Windows XP computer :rolleyes:
On the other hand, I immediatly thought of her as I watched the live coverage of the iPad yesterday. From my experience with the iPhone OS, I know there is really no way that it can be messed up without actually trying to.

[NT1440]

Or maybe I just got too hooked on those 'Think Different' ads

Well seeing as apple has so many people bitching about not doing what was predicted, aren't they Thinking Different? ;)

Remember different != "what I think is best"

[REM314]

It feels to me that Apple is moving away from the desktop market and more into the mobile market. Apple makes amazing laptops (Ive used my Macbook Pro as my only computer for 2 years now). Though now Im considering buying a desktop and looking at the Apple lineup of desktops they seem pretty lacklustre compared to what you can build. The only thing keeping me from outright building a PC is how much I love OS X which is getting to be a stupid reason. I mightas well use Linux.

Im going to wait for the next set of iMac and Mac Pro revisions and see what their specs are. If Apple doesn't do anything about the graphics cards in the iMacs then Im just going to build a linux run PC. Its sad though. I really like Apples design and software.

[KingYaba]

I might be taking it too seriously, but i don't think that dude realises that there are a lot of free apps on the App store

No, you're missing his point. Software libre (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) is his message. Apple doesn't deliver that.

[str1f3]

It feels to me that Apple is moving away from the desktop market and more into the mobile market. Apple makes amazing laptops (Ive used my Macbook Pro as my only computer for 2 years now). Though now Im considering buying a desktop and looking at the Apple lineup of desktops they seem pretty lacklustre compared to what you can build. The only thing keeping me from outright building a PC is how much I love OS X which is getting to be a stupid reason. I mightas well use Linux.

Im going to wait for the next set of iMac and Mac Pro revisions and see what their specs are. If Apple doesn't do anything about the graphics cards in the iMacs then Im just going to build a linux run PC. Its sad though. I really like Apples design and software.

We all love Apples' designs and understanding of what is art in hardware and software.

As to the point of this post, remember this:

Think Different

Here’s to the crazy ones.
The misfits.
The rebels.
The troublemakers.
The round pegs in the square holes.
The ones who see things differently.
They’re not fond of rules.
And they have no respect for the status quo.
You can praise them, disagree with them,
quote them, disbelieve them,
glorify or vilify them.
About the only thing you can’t do is ignore them.
Because they change things.

— Think Different – Go out and change something today.

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This is the Apple I've known and loved since I first used an Apple IIe in 2nd grade in 1984.

[clevin]

This is the Apple I've known and loved since I first used an Apple IIe in 2nd grade in 1984.

that apple was dead two years ago.

I disagree in one point, that apple ipad will never replace a pc (no matter what SJ want to define pc is, pc is a personal computer, osx or windows).

I do agree that apple is closed, already. and I am leaving the platform already, once my MB running out of juice, I will be apple free.

[KingYaba]

I do agree that apple is closed, already. and I am leaving the platform already, once my MB running out of juice, I will be apple free.

Ditto except replace Macbook with eMac. :cool: I don't see that machine running out of juice.

[roadbloc]

It works. And it works brilliantly. It has nothing to do with the "openness and rebelliousness" of the internet. LOL.

If OS X goes to using an app store, I will install Ubuntu on my Macbook and never look back.

[KingYaba]

If OS X goes to using an app store, I will install Ubuntu on my Macbook and never look back.

Ubuntu has an app store. :D The concept of repositories is nothing new and I'll bet money Apple will eventually use one. The success of the iTunes store for iPods, iPhones, and iPad surely will come to OS X and that's why Ubuntu is implementing one of their own. But this consists of free (libre) software (for now). Compared to iTunes this Software Center looks primitive.

[MTI]

The greater use of "custom silicon" along the lines of the A4 processor is a greater indication of Apple's future of doing everything in-house. Having complete "artistic" control over future projects can be exciting, but at the same time can create havoc in a consumer market.

For instance, building your own processor has great benefits for tailoring the final product, but it does mean having and retaining the engineers and brain trust to continue product development and support, as well as getting things to market on time. Trailblazing means you have to bring everything and everyone to the expedition.

[clevin]

Ditto except replace Macbook with eMac. :cool: I don't see that machine running out of juice.

my battery ran 30 minutes after 1 year and half, and apple refuse to give an replacement. although i pointed out to them they have an known issue with first gen MB battery problem and they have a replacement program that cover the battery for two years.

I just installed a ubuntu 9.10 on it for now. The hardware is fine, except crappy GMA 950.

I might try to sell it later, if I can get $600 for it, I paid $1000 for it after all.
The greater use of "custom silicon" along the lines of the A4 processor is a greater indication of Apple's future of doing everything in-house. Having complete "artistic" control over future projects can be exciting, but at the same time can create havoc in a consumer market.

For instance, building your own processor has great benefits for tailoring the final product, but it does mean having and retaining the engineers and brain trust to continue product development and support, as well as getting things to market on time. Trailblazing means you have to bring everything and everyone to the expedition.

lets dont get over the top, that chip apple introduced (by buying a company) has no chance of replacing any CPU in any Macs, unless apple discontinue mac business, there is no way they can do everything in-house.

[roadbloc]

Ubuntu has an app store.

I know. But Apple will dictate theirs. Whereas Ubuntu don't.

[elppa]

I am leaving the platform already, once my MB running out of juice, I will be apple free.

So you'll be leaving us too? ;)

[NT1440]

I know. But Apple will dictate theirs. Whereas Ubuntu don't.

And look at all the phishing problems androids app store has already had.