"Cheney is real, he don't give a *BEEP*"

[johnnowak]

**** new york (9.1MB, .mov) (http://rawr.johnnowak.com/fnewyork.mov)

PLEASE do not download it more than once. You'll cost me money. Save it to disk if you wanna keep it. I'm hosting it only because MR censors the URL.

This is the original URL. If you want to pass this movie on, use this URL, and replace **** with, well, the obvious.
http://in8.com/****newyork/Resources/****newyork.mov

[phiberoptik957]

**** new york (9.1MB, .mov) (http://rawr.johnnowak.com/fnewyork.mov)

PLEASE do not download it more than once. You'll cost me money. Save it to disk if you wanna keep it. I'm hosting it only because MR censors the URL.

This is the original URL. If you want to pass this movie on, use this URL, and replace **** with, well, the obvious.
http://in8.com/****newyork/Resources/****newyork.mov


Thats amazing, the maker of this video captured the democratric constituants exactly


BTW: Did John Kerry film this at the DNC?

[question fear]

that was some ****in funny **** there.

[johnnowak]

Thats amazing, the maker of this video captured the democratric constituants exactly

BTW: Did John Kerry film this at the DNC?

What you said is so illogical, I'm not even sure what you're alluding to.

[johnnowak]

Anyone else going to be attending the protests in NYC?

[macsrus]

If you dont like the RNC....
Then do your protesting at the polls....

Thats how I protest the Socialists.... errrmmm I mean Democrats

[LeeTom]

I'm going to do my protesting in the polls... AND in the streets so I can see the look on their fat faces.

Lee Tom

[johnnowak]

If you dont like the RNC....
Then do your protesting at the polls....

Thats how I protest the Socialists.... errrmmm I mean Democrats

Yes, enough of that freedom of assembly crap. :rolleyes:

As for the Democrats... they're almost identical to the Republicans, and certainly aren't socialists. Not that there is anything wrong with socialism... the top two best countries to live in according to the UN are socialist (Norway and Sweden).

[johnnowak]

As for me, I'm voting for Nader. NY is going to Kerry regardless... if Nader gets a good chunk, that'll hopefully send a message that NY isn't buying Kerry's pro-war, pro-corporation, pro-WTO ************.

[macsrus]

Yes, enough of that freedom of assembly crap. :rolleyes:

I have no problems with freedom of assembly(peaceably done that is...)
Where did you get the idea otherwise?

My point was you can stand out and protest all you want... but it does nothing...
Go to the polls.. it does

[wdlove]

Everyone has the right to protest, here in Boston they put them in a cage. There may very well be a big surprise coming in America. Massachusetts and New York could be among them. Remember Tennessee in 2000.

[johnnowak]

My point was you can stand out and protest all you want... but it does nothing...
Go to the polls.. it does

How can you say it does nothing? In the only city in the US that's been hit by *major* terrorism, large scale protests can show that what Bush is doing has nothing to do with fighting terrorism... and that New York is more afraid of Bush than they are of the terrorists.

[johnnowak]

Everyone has the right to protest, here in Boston they put them in a cage.

It's very sad what America is coming to.

[macsrus]

How can you say it does nothing? In the only city in the US that's been hit by *major* terrorism, large scale protests can show that what Bush is doing has nothing to do with fighting terrorism... and that New York is more afraid of Bush than they are of the terrorists.

where a ribbon.... do a hand holding... stand in the streets protesting...
Still doesnt effect any change.... But its your right to do so... So go ahead.

Just make sure you go to the polls and vote...

[QCassidy352]

Take it to the political forum.

[homerjward]

roflmao! did you film that yourself? its awesome

[phiberoptik957]

Yes, enough of that freedom of assembly crap. :rolleyes:

As for the Democrats... they're almost identical to the Republicans, and certainly aren't socialists. Not that there is anything wrong with socialism... the top two best countries to live in according to the UN are socialist (Norway and Sweden).


Do you know what a socialist is?



Not that there is anything wrong with socialism... the top two best countries to live in according to the UN are socialist (Norway and Sweden).

Only the socialists actually put any credibility to what the UN has to say

[MacAficionado]

How can you say it does nothing?

Bush does not listen to the citizens of America, I think that is what he meant.

[macsrus]

Bush does not listen to the citizens of America, I think that is what he meant.

NO......
That isnt what I meant at all.....
I meant that protest actually do nothing....
But a protest at the polls does... i.e. protest with your vote.

But if you insist....
No politician listens to the overall population... They only listen to their constituency...

[pseudobrit]

NO......
That isnt what I meant at all.....
I meant that protest actually do nothing....
But a protest at the polls does... i.e. protest with your vote.

But if you insist....
No politician listens to the overall population... They only listen to their constituency...

And if their constituency is on the front page of the paper protesting, what does that do?

[macsrus]

And if their constituency is on the front page of the paper protesting, what does that do?

Nothing.... If they dont vote....

I dont know how you guys can miss that simple fact...
The only protest that works is your vote... period

[mactastic]

I suppose the two great protest movements in our country have slipped your mind? Women didn't have the right to vote when they demonstrated and protested for it. They sure as hell didn't VOTE to give themselves the vote. And do you suppose the civil rights movement would have happened when it did if the images of the treatment of protesters wasn't burned into the voters minds? Seriously, I don't see how you can say protest does nothing. Why did those guys chuck a bunch of tea into a harbor 200+ years ago rather than going to vote the tea tax away?

I know it sounds good to say protesting does nothing, but you are very wrong. I get your point that we need to vote regardless, but there are effective ways of protesting.

Although I suppose a facist... err conservative wouldn't understand that. :p

[Neserk]

Nothing.... If they dont vote....

I dont know how you guys can miss that simple fact...
The only protest that works is your vote... period

Why don't you back up your "simple fact" with some proof?

[skunk]

The only protest that works is your vote... period
And in between votes, what then? Just sit tight for four years? That makes for pretty nominal representation. Sometimes protesting is the ONLY way to make your views known. It certainly contributed to the US pulling out of Vietnam.

[IJ Reilly]

Why don't you back up your "simple fact" with some proof?

But that's the great benefit of about being right about everything -- you don't need any proof, or even any evidence!

[skunk]

It's only a "fact" to the simple...

[Neserk]

“Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.”
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)

How very sad and how very true...

[Lyle]

How can you say [protesting] does nothing?Obviously, protests have had an influence on the political process (see mactastic's previous examples).

I am a little curious, however, about what protesters at the DNC and RNC conventions think they're accomplishing. I mean, is it not a given that the delegates (and other attendees) at both parties' conventions have pretty much made up their minds by that point? Is there some scenario where seeing some wild-eyed protester (of either party) screaming profanities is going to cause a light bulb to go off in one of those attendees' heads and say, "You know, maybe they have something there."?

Please note: I'm not against folks from either party protesting at the opposition's convention if they so choose. It's just not clear to me what the point is.

[zimv20]

Please note: I'm not against folks from either party protesting at the opposition's convention if they so choose. It's just not clear to me what the point is.
it's simple marketing. gotta stay in the public eye if you want to be remembered. of course, it's not like the protesters are all of one mind and with a single agenda. but, contrary to what macsrus is asserting, protests do stay in the public's collective mind.

and what's more heartening to hear about thousands or tens of thousands of people showing up to protest against an issue / person to which/whom you have negative feelings?

[wwworry]

Bush is actually planning to highlight the protests and, probably, the dopiest postester and claim the Kerry is behind it all. Then he will claim, as they did with McCain and Dean, that Kerry is "a wild eyed fanatic and is too unstable to be president". He will claim that protesters are "disrespectful" of a sitting president and use that to paint all opposition as looney.

The RNC will try to use protests to help their party as they did in '68.

It's actually amazing that the RNC is effective. I am impressed with their guile. Here we are debating Kerry's military service when Bush should be the one that is ashamed. Soon we will be debating whether Kerry is too unstable when Bush is the one hearing voices sending our troops off to war.

An uneducated populace is the RNCs best friend and cheap labor.

Bush presided over the largest deficit ever, the biggest terrorist attack on the US ever, a huge growth in terror worldwide, the fastest growth in government since LBJ, the only net loss of jobs since Herbert Hoover, he still hasn't caught Bin Laden. The guy has done a terrible job by any measure and still the election is close. We are doomed.

PS:
The movie by high schools students makes no sence.
Protests have a long and illustrious history in the US and should be celebrated not isolated, discussed, not dismissed.

[Leo Hubbard]

Bush is actually planning to highlight the protests and, probably, the dopiest postester and claim the Kerry is behind it all. Then he will claim, as they did with McCain and Dean, that Kerry is "a wild eyed fanatic and is too unstable to be president". He will claim that protesters are "disrespectful" of a sitting president and use that to paint all opposition as looney.


You have your own psychic hotline?

[mactastic]

You have your own psychic hotline?

Do you?

Kerry probably wrote that one too.

[IJ Reilly]

The movie by high schools students makes no sence.

I've got to agree. I thought I understood something about NYC 'tude, but this little film mystified me completely.

[Leo Hubbard]

Do you?
I used the clarifyer "probably" he made his statement as if it was an undisputed fact. Next we are going to be arguing over the deffinition of "is". You expect perfection from the right and ignore the imperfections of the left.

For example; When is Kerry going to disavow the statements made by Woopi Goldberg, Moveon.org and other slanderous statements made by third parties about Bush as specifically as they expect Bush to do?

[wwworry]

Bush is actually planning to highlight the protests and, probably, the dopiest postester and claim the Kerry is behind it all. Then he will claim, as they did with McCain and Dean, that Kerry is "a wild eyed fanatic and is too unstable to be president". He will claim that protesters are "disrespectful" of a sitting president and use that to paint all opposition as looney.
You have your own psychic hotline?

this page has part of the plan (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/22/politics/campaign/22repubs.html)

Mr. Bush's advisers said they were girding for the most extensive street demonstrations at any political convention since the Democrats nominated Hubert H. Humphrey in Chicago in 1968. But in contrast to that convention, which was severely undermined by televised displays of street rioting, Republicans said they would seek to turn any disruptions to their advantage, by portraying protests by even independent activists as Democratic-sanctioned displays of disrespect for a sitting president.

Then there are the following quotes with locations:

Scott McCellan: "I do think that Senator Kerry losing his cool should not be an excuse for him to lash out at the President" [White House Press Briefing, Crawford Middle School, Crawford, Texas8/20/04]

Marc Racicot: "I think they have completely unhinged. Senator Kerry, Tad, although I've certainly had time to get to know him, he looks to me to be wild-eyed." [CNN, Inside Politics, 8/20/04]


I don't think one needs to be a psychic to forsee the GOP using the same dirty tricks they have always used.

[wwworry]

Kerry? Wild-eyed??? Most people joke just the opposite.

[mactastic]

I used the clarifyer "probably" he made his statement as if it was an undisputed fact. Next we are going to be arguing over the deffinition of "is". You expect perfection from the right and ignore the imperfections of the left.

Do you want me to go find other statements you've made as if they were fact, when they are in fact quite debatable?

For example; When is Kerry going to disavow the statements made by Woopi Goldberg, Moveon.org and other slanderous statements made by third parties about Bush as specifically as they expect Bush to do?

Since you're being such a stickler about staying on topic, I have to ask what does the second part of your post have to do with the first? The first is about clairavoyance, the second is about some random second topic you throw out as red meat.

[Leo Hubbard]

Do you want me to go find other statements you've made as if they were fact, when they are in fact quite debatable?



Since you're being such a stickler about staying on topic, I have to ask what does the second part of your post have to do with the first? The first is about clairavoyance, the second is about some random second topic you throw out as red meat.
I'm a stickler about staying on topic?

[mactastic]

I'm a stickler about staying on topic?

Besides this doesn't pertain to post #28 which is what I replied to.

???

[IJ Reilly]

I'm telling you guys, you need to start using that little ignore button, or every thread is going to turn into a big raging debate about nothing of any importance to anyone. You know, just like the election?

But that would just be a coincidence, of course.

[johnnowak]

Do you know what a socialist is?

Only the socialists actually put any credibility to what the UN has to say

Yes, I know what a socialist is... :rolleyes:
The UN is a necessary institution.

[wwworry]

I'm telling you guys, you need to start using that little ignore button, or every thread is going to turn into a big raging debate about nothing of any importance to anyone. You know, just like the election?

But that would just be a coincidence, of course.

Is there a real ignore button or is it something I have to find within myself?

[skunk]

Is there a real ignore button or is it something I have to find within myself?
LOL. Click on the member's name: the options are there.

[gekko513]

Yes, enough of that freedom of assembly crap. :rolleyes:

As for the Democrats... they're almost identical to the Republicans, and certainly aren't socialists. Not that there is anything wrong with socialism... the top two best countries to live in according to the UN are socialist (Norway and Sweden).

Actually, our government isn't run by the socialdemocrats anymore, it's a coallition of the Christian-peoples-party, the Right party and the Left party :eek: (I've translated the names word by word :) )

The Right party and the Left party are however both more to the left than the Democrats in the US, so I guess it can be considered a socialdemocratic government anyway.

[Leo Hubbard]

I'm telling you guys, you need to start using that little ignore button, or every thread is going to turn into a big raging debate about nothing of any importance to anyone. You know, just like the election?

But that would just be a coincidence, of course.
Now would that be my fault or Macstatics?

[mouchoir]

Do you know what a socialist is?

Only the socialists actually put any credibility to what the UN has to say

Do you?

[Socialism] was first applied in England to Owen's theory of social reconstruction, and in France to those also of St. Simon and Fourier . . . The word, however, is used with a great variety of meaning, . . . even by economists and learned critics. The general tendency is to regard as socialistic any interference undertaken by society on behalf of the poor, . . . radical social reform which disturbs the present system of private property . . . The tendency of the present socialism is more and more to ally itself with the most advanced democracy. --Encyc. Brit.

[mactastic]

Now would that be my fault or Macstatics?

I vote yours. :D

And it's mactastic, thanks.

[HeWhoSpitsFire]

I have no problems with freedom of assembly(peaceably done that is...)
Where did you get the idea otherwise?

My point was you can stand out and protest all you want... but it does nothing...
Go to the polls.. it does

Year: 2000
Place: Florida

Ring any bells?