Sarah Palin Uses PAC to Buy Her Own Book

[rdowns]

Fresh off her quitting her job as Governor of Alaska and the exploitation of her children and grandchild, now we learn that SarahPAC has spent tens of thousands of dollars buying copies of Going Rogue.

Link1 (http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2010/02/01/palin)

Link2 (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sarah-palin-pac-buy-book/story?id=9718024)

Sarah Palin has been using her political action committee to buy up thousands of copies of her book, "Going Rogue," in order to mail copies of the memoir to her donors, newly filed campaign records show.

The former Alaska governor and 2008 Republican vice presidential candidate had her political organization spend more than $63,000 on what her reports describe as "books for fundraising donor fulfillment."

The payments went to Harper Collins, her publisher, and in some instances to HSP Direct, a Virginia-based direct mail fundraising firm that serves a number of well-known conservative politicians and pundits.

[jessica.]

If this is the case and it's deemed as misappropriation then could Harper Collins take a hit for this as well?

[iShater]

Is that a conflict of interest?

[Peace]

Whatever it is it sounds wrong.

[Zombie Acorn]

Shes not even a candidate for president. Also how much is her book? That can't be very many. Even at 18 bucks thats only 3500 books.

[IntheNet]

... now we learn that SarahPAC has spent tens of thousands of dollars buying copies of Going Rogue...

:rolleyes:

Nice try... come back when you have a real story... Since each book retails for approx. $13.50 (Amazon) this amounts to less than 4700 books to mail copies of the memoir to her new donors; because Palin is neither a candidate for office, nor a sitting member of congress, her PAC is free to purchase the book (expenditure of $63,000) under current law (according to Jan Baran, a campaign legal expert)*. Wow... the big news here is that Palin’s PAC had at least 4700 donors in the fourth quarter who gave enough money to warrant the incentive gift!


More detail at Palin buys books to incentivize donors (http://hotair.com/archives/2010/02/01/shocker-palin-buys-books-to-incentivize-donors/)
*"Joe Lieberman did the same thing in 2004, when he ran for Vice President on John Kerry’s ticket. He didn’t take royalties off of those sales, but ABC also acknowledges that they don’t know if Palin did, either. And since she’s a private citizen, it really doesn’t matter if she did or didn’t...".

[nbs2]

I feel dirty, but I did some digging. According to this post (http://www.thepalination.com/2009/11/latest-news-from-sarahpac.html), you had to donate at least $100 to get a copy of the book (it is signed!). Figuring that they got a bulk deal for about $10/book, she picked up 6300 books and her 90% net-over-book yielded at least $567,000. Not a bad pickup.

What I'm curious to know is if these books count towards actual sales figures. That they are donation gifts, I would prefer that they not be used to artificially inflate those numbers.

As for Jan Baran, a quick search suggests that he falls under the social conservative wing of the party, as he was RNC general counsel during the Bush41 years and now defends Palin. While I am certainly not an expert in the field, I would feel more comfortable on that statement if it had come from someone without ties to the GOP. As presented in his Wiley Rein bio, the only election law voice that would be more disconcerting would be Bopp.

[rdowns]

Her take was probably higher than that. The damn book was selling for $10 at retail.

[yg17]

:rolleyes:

Nice try... come back when you have a real story... Since each book retails for approx. $13.50 (Amazon) this amounts to less than 4700 books to mail copies of the memoir to her new donors; because Palin is neither a candidate for office, nor a sitting member of congress, her PAC is free to purchase the book (expenditure of $63,000) under current law (according to Jan Baran, a campaign legal expert)*. Wow... the big news here is that Palin’s PAC had at least 4700 donors in the fourth quarter who gave enough money to warrant the incentive gift!


More detail at Palin buys books to incentivize donors (http://hotair.com/archives/2010/02/01/shocker-palin-buys-books-to-incentivize-donors/)
*"Joe Lieberman did the same thing in 2004, when he ran for Vice President on John Kerry’s ticket. He didn’t take royalties off of those sales, but ABC also acknowledges that they don’t know if Palin did, either. And since she’s a private citizen, it really doesn’t matter if she did or didn’t...".

Congratulations, you just lost any credibility you had left. Joe Lieberman didn't run for VP in 2004, nor did he run on John Kerry's ticket.

[abijnk]

:rolleyes:

Nice try... come back when you have a real story... Since each book retails for approx. $13.50 (Amazon) this amounts to less than 4700 books to mail copies of the memoir to her new donors; because Palin is neither a candidate for office, nor a sitting member of congress, her PAC is free to purchase the book (expenditure of $63,000) under current law (according to Jan Baran, a campaign legal expert)*. Wow... the big news here is that Palin’s PAC had at least 4700 donors in the fourth quarter who gave enough money to warrant the incentive gift!


More detail at Palin buys books to incentivize donors (http://hotair.com/archives/2010/02/01/shocker-palin-buys-books-to-incentivize-donors/)
*"Joe Lieberman did the same thing in 2004, when he ran for Vice President on John Kerry’s ticket. He didn’t take royalties off of those sales, but ABC also acknowledges that they don’t know if Palin did, either. And since she’s a private citizen, it really doesn’t matter if she did or didn’t...".

Wow.

[Macky-Mac]

....

*"Joe Lieberman did the same thing in 2004, when he ran for Vice President on John Kerry’s ticket. He didn’t take royalties off of those sales, but ABC also acknowledges that they don’t know if Palin did, either. And since she’s a private citizen, it really doesn’t matter if she did or didn’t...".

John Edwards was the VP nominee on Kerry's ticket :p

[nbs2]

Congratulations, you just lost any credibility you had left. Joe Lieberman didn't run for VP in 2004, nor did he run on John Kerry's ticket.

I figured that was a typo in his post, but nope - it is straight from the source (of course, it is called "hot air").

It would be nice if either party could pick a VP candidate that wasn't a pompous <fill in word>. Gore, Cheney, Lieberman, Edwards, Biden, Palin. Last good selection I can think of is Kemp in 1996.

[obeygiant]

More detail at Palin buys books to incentivize donors (http://hotair.com/archives/2010/02/01/shocker-palin-buys-books-to-incentivize-donors/)
*"Joe Lieberman did the same thing in 2004, when he ran for Vice President on John Kerry’s ticket. He didn’t take royalties off of those sales, but ABC also acknowledges that they don’t know if Palin did, either. And since she’s a private citizen, it really doesn’t matter if she did or didn’t...".

I see that quote is from hotair.com, which is equivalent to quoting something from dailykos.com. Anyway I'm pretty sure John Edwards was the VP nominee on the Kerry ticket.

EDIT: lol, in the minute it took me to write this post, we got 3 other members jumping on this.

[IntheNet]

Congratulations...

Negative points for completely ignoring the point I was trying to make specific to Palin (and focusing instead on the quote and where it was cited)...yeah it was John Edwards as the VP... ... back to the point =>

In the event you care to focus on reality: Palin sold 1,937,000 copies of her book when you exclude the ones bought by her PAC. Is there a story here on 4700 copies liberals are trying to fault her on?

Let me know...

[nbs2]

Negative points for completely ignoring the point I was trying to make specific to Palin (and focusing instead on the quote and where it was cited)...yeah it was John Edwards as the VP... ... back to the point =>

I can't point to you doing the same thing, but I would expect you to make a point of addressing the source had a Palin attack come from huffpost/dailykos/etc. When a source is clearly biased, any position that it takes in support of its own must be taken with a grain of salt. Additionally, basic factual errors, which can be verified in an instant by looking at the first hit in a "kerry running mate" Google search, undermine credibility to support other more important facts (such as Palin's royalty status).

In the event you care to focus on reality: Palin sold 1,937,000 copies of her book when you exclude the ones bought by her PAC. Is there a story here on 4700 copies liberals are trying to fault her on?

Let me know...

So that is .24% of total sales. That doesn't seem like much. But, when we look at political ethics, .24>0. I am willing to concede this much - if she derived no financial benefit, those sales will not be credited towards total sales, and she can clearly demonstrate that she will obtain no benefit from the purchase of the book beyond the contributions that she received in exchange for the "gift," I'll let this go as overblown. If she obtains some greater standing for the book in some way as a result of this (even if it is just considered in meeting any sales goals required under her $1.25m advance), it was wrong and she needs to fix it.

[rdowns]

You have a citation for her book sales?

[yg17]

Negative points for completely ignoring the point I was trying to make specific to Palin (and focusing instead on the quote and where it was cited)...yeah it was John Edwards as the VP... ... back to the point =>

In the event you care to focus on reality: Palin sold 1,937,000 copies of her book when you exclude the ones bought by her PAC. Is there a story here on 4700 copies liberals are trying to fault her on?

Let me know...

So let me get this straight. You would immediately toss out a citation from me or one of the other "liberals" on this board if it came from DailyKos, HuffPo, MediaMatters, or even MSNBC, even if everything in it was factually correct. Yet, you post a citation from a right wing site that makes a blatant, obvious factual error that they would've never made if they took 10 seconds out of their day to do a Google search, and you're wondering why I immediately dismissed your link?

You're a hypocrite.

Edit: And before you deny ever dismissing a citation just because it's a liberal source, here is you outright dismissing a MediaMatters link even though the content contained on their page is factually correct and backed up with video (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=9087353&postcount=86).

[NT1440]

I don't care. Really I don't.

If she was a candidate then there would be an ethics problem, seeing as she isn't, who gives a ****?

Like she's the first politician (actually, ex politician) to have their groups move more of their books.

[Sydde]

When you spend $63000 for copies of a book, do you seriously think you would be paying retail?

[IntheNet]

So let me get this straight. You would immediately toss out a citation from me or one of the other "liberals" on this board if it came from DailyKos, HuffPo, MediaMatters, or even MSNBC, even if everything in it was factually correct.

You missed the point... it is not the citation I am objecting to, whether it came from DailyKook or HuffPooh... what I am objecting to is why don't you address the 1,937,000 copies of her book she has sold rather than 4700 copies she chose to send to her new donors? Said another way, why would this issue warrant yet another "Hate Palin" thread?

[NT1440]

You missed the point... it is not the citation I am objecting to, whether it came from DailyKook or HuffPooh... what I am objecting to is why don't you address the 1,937,000 copies of her book she has sold rather than 4700 copies she chose to send to her new donors? Said another way, why would this issue warrant yet another "Hate Palin" thread?

Yet you don't cry out against another "Bowing Obama" thread..... interesting.

[Macky-Mac]

When you spend $63000 for copies of a book, do you seriously think you would be paying retail?

depends....having the PAC pay full price would be to your personal benefit if you were also the author since it would mean the publisher would be paying more royalty payments into your personal account ;)

[rdowns]

You missed the point... it is not the citation I am objecting to, whether it came from DailyKook or HuffPooh... what I am objecting to is why don't you address the 1,937,000 copies of her book she has sold rather than 4700 copies she chose to send to her new donors? Said another way, why would this issue warrant yet another "Hate Palin" thread?

Again, do you have a link to her book's sales figures?

Oh my. Seems her popularity in Alaska is dropping (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_AK_129.pdf) again.

[Macky-Mac]

.... Said another way, why would this issue warrant yet another "Hate Palin" thread?

first of all, EVERYBODY likes to talk about Palin, it's just your misfortune to be an admirer of somebody that a lot of people find appalling.

secondly, why is another "hate palin" thread any different than another of your "hate obama" threads?

[NT1440]

secondly, why is another "hate palin" thread any different than another of your "hate obama" threads?

Because clearly his are rooted in reality and important pressing issues, right? ;)

[yg17]

I don't care. Really I don't.

If she was a candidate then there would be an ethics problem, seeing as she isn't, who gives a ****?

Like she's the first politician (actually, ex politician) to have their groups move more of their books.

It's a potential problem because PAC money is supposed to be for political purposes. If she's funneling the money to her own pockets by means of book royalties, it can be an ethics problem. And you know if a Democrat did it, InTheNet and the other wingnuts would be all over it like a fat kid on a cupcake.

You missed the point... it is not the citation I am objecting to, whether it came from DailyKook or HuffPooh... what I am objecting to is why don't you address the 1,937,000 copies of her book she has sold rather than 4700 copies she chose to send to her new donors? Said another way, why would this issue warrant yet another "Hate Palin" thread?
That only means that at least 1,937,000 Americans are complete morons. Hardly a surprising figure.

[IntheNet]

Again, do you have a link to her book's sales figures?
Harper Collins (http://www.harpercollins.com/books/9780061939891/Going_Rogue/index.aspx) reported the 1,937,000 copies of her book sales in mid-January, which is the number I previously cited (earlier post). Other sources have reported far more even back in 2009 before holiday...
You have a citation for her book sales?
'Going Rogue' Goes Platinum: 1 Million Copies Sold
DECEMBER 1, 2009
http://texas4palin.blogspot.com/2009/12/going-rogue-goes-platinum-1-million.html
"HarperCollins spokeswoman Tina Andreadis said Tuesday that just two weeks after publication, Sarah Palin's memoir has sold 1 million copies. The print run for "Going Rogue" has been increased again, to 2.8 million copies. The original printing was 1.5 million, then moved up to 2.5 million."

Going Rogue: An American Life
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Going_Rogue#cite_note-abcnews_2009-12-01-16
Going Rogue attained sales of over 2.7 million by December 1, 2009, [17]

Palin book sells a million copies
Associated Press - Nov. 23, 2009
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/12/palin-book-sells-a-million-cop.html
NEW YORK -- "Going Rogue" has sold a million copies.

Re:Wall Street Journal - November 17, 2009 (http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/11/17/sales-of-palins-going-rogue-prompt-another-press-run/tab/article/)

"Sarah Palin’s memoir just hit the stands today but demand for “Going Rogue: An American Life” is so strong that HarperCollins Publishers is going back to press for an additional 100,000 run, bringing the total number of hard-covers in print to 1.6 million copies."

*HarperCollins has confirmed reports that the book sold 700,000 copies in its first week on sale (http://www.publishersweekly.com/article/CA6708998.html).

Again, I think worrying about 4700 books Governor Palin used to reward her donors is petty especially in light of the total number she has sold.

Here... feel the need to be outraged? Try this:

Taxpayers Pay $101,000 for Pelosi's In-Flight 'Food, Booze'
http://www.thefoxnation.com/business/2010/01/29/taxpayers-pay-101000-pelosis-flight-food-booze

It's a potential problem because PAC money is supposed to be for political purposes.

She was honoring donors with copies of her book - how more political can one be? I mean... this isn't the first time books to donors have been used... like every political author has done it...

[macfan881]

Harper Collins (http://www.harpercollins.com/books/9780061939891/Going_Rogue/index.aspx) reported the 1,937,000 copies of her book sales in mid-January, which is the number I previously cited (earlier post). Other sources have reported far more even back in 2009 before holiday...

'Going Rogue' Goes Platinum: 1 Million Copies Sold
DECEMBER 1, 2009
http://texas4palin.blogspot.com/2009/12/going-rogue-goes-platinum-1-million.html
"HarperCollins spokeswoman Tina Andreadis said Tuesday that just two weeks after publication, Sarah Palin's memoir has sold 1 million copies. The print run for "Going Rogue" has been increased again, to 2.8 million copies. The original printing was 1.5 million, then moved up to 2.5 million."

Going Rogue: An American Life
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Going_Rogue#cite_note-abcnews_2009-12-01-16
Going Rogue attained sales of over 2.7 million by December 1, 2009, [17]

Palin book sells a million copies
Associated Press - Nov. 23, 2009
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/12/palin-book-sells-a-million-cop.html
NEW YORK -- "Going Rogue" has sold a million copies.

Re:Wall Street Journal - November 17, 2009 (http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/11/17/sales-of-palins-going-rogue-prompt-another-press-run/tab/article/)

"Sarah Palin’s memoir just hit the stands today but demand for “Going Rogue: An American Life” is so strong that HarperCollins Publishers is going back to press for an additional 100,000 run, bringing the total number of hard-covers in print to 1.6 million copies."

*HarperCollins has confirmed reports that the book sold 700,000 copies in its first week on sale (http://www.publishersweekly.com/article/CA6708998.html).

Again, I think worrying about 4700 books Governor Palin used to reward her donors is petty especially in light of the total number she has sold.

Here... feel the need to be outraged? Try this:

Taxpayers Pay $101,000 for Pelosi's In-Flight 'Food, Booze'
http://www.thefoxnation.com/business/2010/01/29/taxpayers-pay-101000-pelosis-flight-food-booze



She was honoring donors with copies of her book - how more political can one be? I mean... this isn't the first time books to donors have been used... like every political author has done it...

So your Saying its ok for any Joe Shmoe to take pac money if thats the case I may do it look palin curently is not in any Offical Goverment branch thus making not a Politican at the moment shes just a regular person like us.

[Sydde]

This is just not making sense. The first week of a book's run is the lion's share of its sales. If we were to figure a typical sales profile, the second week would be around half that, making for around a million. This would put close to half the book's sales in the subsequent six weeks, an average of 15000 a week. Even good fiction does not perform half as well as that. Either this is miraculous or the numbers are being fluffed (c.f., what happened with Mel Gibson's sado-Jesus DVD).

[dsnort]

Fresh off her quitting her job as Governor of Alaska and the exploitation of her children and grandchild, now we learn that SarahPAC has spent tens of thousands of dollars buying copies of Going Rogue.

Link1 (http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2010/02/01/palin)

Link2 (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sarah-palin-pac-buy-book/story?id=9718024)

Wake me when something every politician doesn't do happens.

[bruinsrme]

There are many that spend thousands in political contributions for a seat at political or soon to be candidates fund raisers , dinners and so on all the time.
I would find it extremely difficult to believe that out of the millions of dollars raised not one cent is spent or used for personal ventures/gains.
So in this case her contributors got her book and she got royalties off the sale.
I would rather see this happen than the current cabinet racking up 10's of thousands in bar tabs many using taxpayers dollars. (not that others haven't)

I find it very insteresting she is still drawing press coverage. Bill Clinton must be stratching his head.

[Rt&Dzine]

I find it very insteresting she is still drawing press coverage. Bill Clinton must be stratching his head.

Of course she's still drawing press coverage. She's on a mission to be a big-time celebrity and has good publicists. Book deal, book tour, magazine stories, media tours, talk circuit, soon-to-be TV personality . . .

[KingYaba]

Of course she's still drawing press coverage. She's on a mission to be a big-time celebrity and has good publicists. Book deal, book tour, magazine stories, media tours, talk circuit, soon-to-be TV personality . . .

This is sort of off-topic but watching the State of the Union press coverage I flipped to Fox and saw Palin attempting analysis. Needless to say she was bad. She's not insightful like Krauthammer or Bill Bennett. Political analysis is not her thing.

[rdowns]

Harper Collins (http://www.harpercollins.com/books/9780061939891/Going_Rogue/index.aspx) reported the 1,937,000 copies of her book sales in mid-January, which is the number I previously cited (earlier post). Other sources have reported far more even back in 2009 before holiday...

'Going Rogue' Goes Platinum: 1 Million Copies Sold
DECEMBER 1, 2009
http://texas4palin.blogspot.com/2009/12/going-rogue-goes-platinum-1-million.html
"HarperCollins spokeswoman Tina Andreadis said Tuesday that just two weeks after publication, Sarah Palin's memoir has sold 1 million copies. The print run for "Going Rogue" has been increased again, to 2.8 million copies. The original printing was 1.5 million, then moved up to 2.5 million."

Going Rogue: An American Life
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Going_Rogue#cite_note-abcnews_2009-12-01-16
Going Rogue attained sales of over 2.7 million by December 1, 2009, [17]

Palin book sells a million copies
Associated Press - Nov. 23, 2009
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/12/palin-book-sells-a-million-cop.html
NEW YORK -- "Going Rogue" has sold a million copies.

Re:Wall Street Journal - November 17, 2009 (http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/11/17/sales-of-palins-going-rogue-prompt-another-press-run/tab/article/)

"Sarah Palin’s memoir just hit the stands today but demand for “Going Rogue: An American Life” is so strong that HarperCollins Publishers is going back to press for an additional 100,000 run, bringing the total number of hard-covers in print to 1.6 million copies."

*HarperCollins has confirmed reports that the book sold 700,000 copies in its first week on sale (http://www.publishersweekly.com/article/CA6708998.html).

Again, I think worrying about 4700 books Governor Palin used to reward her donors is petty especially in light of the total number she has sold.

Here... feel the need to be outraged? Try this:

Taxpayers Pay $101,000 for Pelosi's In-Flight 'Food, Booze'
http://www.thefoxnation.com/business/2010/01/29/taxpayers-pay-101000-pelosis-flight-food-booze



She was honoring donors with copies of her book - how more political can one be? I mean... this isn't the first time books to donors have been used... like every political author has done it...


None of those back up your claim of 1,937,000 book sales. Nice try.

Looks to me like there are at least a million of unsold copies floating around.

[IntheNet]

None of those back up your claim....

:rolleyes:

Then you pick a number - whatever you believe - the number of books you feel Palin has legitimately sold.

Now divide what number you choose by the number this thread is questioning (4700 books) that Palin's PAC purchased for her new donors. The 'huge issue' that prompted this thread.

Let me know the percentage of the total (books sold)...

See if its a legitimate claim against her...

~

....and since she now has her own magazine what the deal?


Sarah Palin magazine hits newsstands and convenience stores
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/02/sarah-palin-magazine-hits-news.html

http://i47.tinypic.com/2w7pyle.jpg

[Rt&Dzine]

This is sort of off-topic but watching the State of the Union press coverage I flipped to Fox and saw Palin attempting analysis. Needless to say she was bad. She's not insightful like Krauthammer or Bill Bennett. Political analysis is not her thing.

I haven't watched her yet, but you'd think they could script or edit it better. Then again, maybe they want to portray her as a typical unpolished soccer mom so she's better received by middle America.

[mcrain]

The big problem with using her PAC to buy her books, is that it takes political donations and uses them to purchase books which funnel money to the candiate in the form of royalty checks.

"However, because she no longer holds public office and is not currently seeking election, Palin's SarahPAC is not subject to the rules applied to PACs supporting most politicians. Because of this, 'her PAC is free to purchase the book under current law', according to Jan Baran, a campaign legal expert," ABC News noted.

So, if she were running for office, this might be considered a violation of campaign finance laws.

The other question that seems to be popping up is the number of books that were sold. Going Rogue was a best seller before it ever hit the shelves. How did that happen when Amazon was selling the hardcover at a reduced rate before it was released?

Right-wing groups such as the Conservative Book Club and Newsmax helped, in part, to fuel the meteoric rise in sales by placing large bulk orders, then essentially giving copies away to new members or subscribers. If you bought a 6 month subscription, you received a free book.

Palin’s book is just the latest addition to the the right-wing bestseller industry, where wingnut web-giveaways and bulk pre-publication sales inflate purchase rates and shoot titles up the lists, leading stores to further promote and discount them. It’s part of what Hillary Clinton, also author of a bestselling memoir, might call the vast right-wing publishing conspiracy, where the marketing of conservative titles as bestsellers is meant to push a right-wing agenda and bolster arguments that the majority of the country really thinks like Rush– or Palin or like attack writer Jerome Corsi, author of election-season bestseller The Obama Nation, a “nonfiction bestseller” that was neither, as Prof. Peter Drier put it. http://coloradoindependent.com/40359/palin-insta-memoir-%E2%80%98going-rogue%E2%80%99-priced-to-sell-at-9

[rdowns]

:rolleyes:

Then you pick a number - whatever you believe - the number of books you feel Palin has legitimately sold.

It's not about picking a number. You pulled a number out of your ass and when asked to back it up, you throw up a long post full of links, not one of which answers the question of how many books she sold. How ****ing obtuse can you possible be?


....and since she now has her own magazine what the deal?


Sarah Palin magazine hits newsstands and convenience stores
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/02/sarah-palin-magazine-hits-news.html


Do you even read the ******** you post?


One of the things Sarah Palin has sought to do since stepping down from the governor's office in Alaska is seize control of her image. So it is perhaps a sign of how difficult a task that remains for the GOP's former vice presidential nominee that a new single-issue magazine has hit newsstands and convenience stores around the country. It claims to present "Sarah Palin: The Untold Story...in her own words!" -- and it was produced, according to its publisher, without her knowledge or participation.

[Macky-Mac]

....

Do you even read the ******** you post?

One of the things Sarah Palin has sought to do since stepping down from the governor's office in Alaska is seize control of her image. So it is perhaps a sign of how difficult a task that remains for the GOP's former vice presidential nominee that a new single-issue magazine has hit newsstands and convenience stores around the country. It claims to present "Sarah Palin: The Untold Story...in her own words!" -- and it was produced, according to its publisher, without her knowledge or participation.

you mean she's not even getting a single nickel for it??? how rank is that ?!?

[IntheNet]

It's not about picking a number. Actually it is; no matter how much reference work I do to back I what I say (my opinion) with some references of where I formed my opinion, you'll ignore it all and condemn the woman down the road without a single backup link on your part. Let's start with that.... To refresh the initial OP condemnation against Mrs. Palin (former Governor Palin) in this thread is that she gifted 4700 copies of her New York Times bestselling book to new found donors which makes her Satan's deputy to you and others...

You pulled a number out of your ass and when asked to back it up, you throw up a long post full of links Maybe you missed the whole idea of discussion where I post what I believe and you post what you believe and we agree to disagree; not this new principle where I reference what I post to several links to the best of my ability and you ignore all it and boast that your undocumented opinion wins out....

not one of which answers the question of how many books she sold. Apparently she didn't sell any! That is the word of rdowns and it's gospel! :rolleyes: Perhaps let's agree to disagree 'kay? Lest you can tell me how gifting 4700 copies of a book to her new-found donors that several sources (that I linked to herein as reference as requested) all verified that she has sold well over 1 million (that's 1,000,000) copies (her publisher confirms 1,937,000), is such a Satan's-deputy making offense? Or queue the "ah look the troll" condemnation in 3-2-1 and let's hit it with yet another Palin-bashing thread thrown at her. Moreover, let's hear your case of her condemnation for this act?

[rdowns]

Actually it is; no matter how much reference work I do to back I what I say (my opinion) with some references of where I formed my opinion, you'll ignore it all and condemn the woman down the road without a single backup link on your part. Let's start with that.... To refresh the initial OP condemnation against Mrs. Palin (former Governor Palin) in this thread is that she gifted 4700 copies of her New York Times bestselling book to new found donors which makes her Satan's deputy to you and others…

Ahh, so you did just pull the number out of your ass, er, I mean, opined it.

To refresh your memory, the OP (me) condemned disgraced former governor palin for exploiting her children and grand child.

That is the word of rdowns and it's gospel!

I'm flattered. Thank you.

[greygray]

You missed the point... it is not the citation I am objecting to, whether it came from DailyKook or HuffPooh... what I am objecting to is why don't you address the 1,937,000 copies of her book she has sold rather than 4700 copies she chose to send to her new donors? Said another way, why would this issue warrant yet another "Hate Palin" thread?

What a typical Palin fanboy would say is pretty summed up here. :rolleyes:

[Zombie Acorn]

I find it a bit funny that the dems are keeping Palin in the limelight, this controversy probably sold more books then what she bought. "i'll get those dems I'll buy a book! Take that!"

Palin should be skimming the bottom of the pool by now, but she keeps resurfacing due to crap like this.

[Rt&Dzine]

I find it a bit funny that the dems are keeping Palin in the limelight, this controversy probably sold more books then what she bought. "i'll get those dems I'll buy a book! Take that!"

Palin should be skimming the bottom of the pool by now, but she keeps resurfacing due to crap like this.

Some dems want her to be in the limelight so that she'll run and split the conservatives.

[jb1280]

Some dems want her to be in the limelight so that she'll run and split the conservatives.

This is patently irresponsible.

I hold equal contempt for those partisans on the Left that want her to stay around as those on the Right who adore her.

She is dangerously incompetent and should be stamped out, politically speaking.

[nick9191]

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So you really want Palin to run? Wow.

The woman is unbelievably incompetent, I would not trust her to work in McDonalds let alone take the most powerful job in the world.

What is it with some Americans wanting to elect the most incompetent, useless, moronic person they can find to the role of president? Do you really want to see your country go down the shltter?

[Counterfit]

What is it with some Americans wanting to elect the most incompetent, useless, moronic person they can find to the role of president?

Ugh. You know you just set him up for some reflexive crack at Obama, right?

[IntheNet]

What is it with some Americans wanting to elect the most incompetent, useless, moronic person they can find to the role of president?

The Republicans have been asking that question for a year now about Obama...

[mcrain]

The Republicans have been asking that question for a year now about Obama...

Well, that explains why they think Palin is so qualified. (edit) Remove Rahm Emmanual-like reference to Republicans.

[Zombie Acorn]

The only place Palin is popular is Fox news opinion shows. She doesn't even have a majority liking in the Republican party. We need a president who is going to ride the middle of congress to make them stop behaving like *******s. I think Stewart made a good point on O'reily's show last night too, when Bush was in they were getting things done because they were coming from the top, now Obama is playing nicey nice with everyone. If someone is dissenting for dissenting sake he should hold a conference like he did with the GOP and destroy them politically using facts.

[rdowns]

I agree. Obama really needs to learn how to use his bully pulpit.

[Rt&Dzine]

That's been Obama's biggest mistake—thinking he could play nice. From the get-go the Republican's have been unwilling to play at all. Not always because of ideology, but from fear that their constituents will consider them traitors and they won't get re-elected.
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[mcrain]

President Obama has an additional problem on top of the Republicans.

When President Bush, GWB, was in office, the Republicans were in lock step. Most legislation was passed with 100% repubilcan support. (I don't have a cite, so I could be wrong, but I don't think so). The Democrats have always been a party of very differing views and widely different goals. All GWB had to do to get legislation passed was have his 100% support, or gain one or two conservative democrats.

President Obama has to contend with Republicans who won't vote against their party even if it means going against everything they have ever stood for in their political careers. In addition, he has to deal with the Democrats, which is like herding cats.