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mkrishnan
Feb 2, 2010, 06:48 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/02/us/02fight.html?hp

MEMPHIS — In the back room of a theater on Beale Street, John Renken, 42, a pastor, recently led a group of young men in prayer.

“Father, we thank you for tonight,” he said. “We pray that we will be a representation of you.”

An hour later, a member of his flock who had bowed his head was now unleashing a torrent of blows on an opponent, and Mr. Renken was offering guidance that was not exactly prayerful.

“Hard punches!” he shouted from the sidelines of a martial arts event called Cage Assault. “Finish the fight! To the head! To the head!”

The young man was a member of a fight team at Xtreme Ministries, a small church near Nashville that doubles as a mixed martial arts academy. Mr. Renken, who founded the church and academy, doubles as the team’s coach. The school’s motto is “Where Feet, Fist and Faith Collide.”

Mr. Renken’s ministry is one of a small but growing number of evangelical churches that have embraced mixed martial arts — a sport with a reputation for violence and blood that combines kickboxing, wrestling and other fighting styles — to reach and convert young men, whose church attendance has been persistently low. Mixed martial arts events have drawn millions of television viewers, and one was the top pay-per-view event in 2009.

I don't know. On the one hand, there's something oddly unsettling about this, but on the other hand, given that these people are probably going to be beating someone up, I'm quite pleased that it's each other, and they're off the streets. :p



Counterfit
Feb 4, 2010, 02:32 AM
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At least Jews for Jesus makes some sort of sense...

annk
Feb 4, 2010, 02:44 AM
I don't know. On the one hand, there's something oddly unsettling about this, but on the other hand, given that these people are probably going to be beating someone up, I'm quite pleased that it's each other, and they're off the streets. :p

If they are NEVER on the streets, it's okay. But how do people like that turn this on and off in their heads? :eek:

sushi
Feb 4, 2010, 02:59 AM
I don't understand the concept.

Seems to me they are in complete contradiction.

annk
Feb 4, 2010, 03:01 AM
^ Heh, yeah. Next ones will be 'Bank Robbers for Jesus' or 'Corporate Corruption for Jesus'. :p

mkrishnan
Feb 4, 2010, 07:25 AM
If they are NEVER on the streets, it's okay. But how do people like that turn this on and off in their heads? :eek:

I'm not sure they can turn it off. :p

I guess, loosely, there's a continuum -- few would say one can't be a Christian (or religious) athlete. Many people consider boxing a sport, even if consider prize-fighting barbaric (because they won't use helmets). I guess, a few more steps, and you're at... this. :eek:

But if this is playing up the masculine to get men interested in church, this would be the equivalent of turning the sermon into a Cosmo column to appeal to women. :rolleyes:

Peterkro
Feb 4, 2010, 07:37 AM
But if this is playing up the masculine to get men interested in church, this would be the equivalent of turning the sermon into a Cosmo column to appeal to women. :rolleyes:

I wouldn't put it past them to take that line to get bodies through the turnstiles,in fact they may well have done it already I don't follow the machinations of the Christian church industry very closely.It's a bit unfortunate if they are aiming to get men into church that they seem to think men are essentially ignorant violent thugs, but I suppose that's not their worst delusion.

obeygiant
Feb 4, 2010, 08:20 AM
I could use a Jesus Condom? (http://s.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web03/2010/2/3/13/jesus-condom-32417-1265223565-40.jpg) as my own Personal Jesus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1xrNaTO1bI). But then MC 900 ft Jesus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MC_900_Ft._Jesus) came and gave me some Jesus Juice (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jesus+juice), before I rode Dino Jesus (http://thesilverplatter.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/jesusdino.jpg) to get to Jesus Jones (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7z6dxQVhE8o)'s house.

ect..

leekohler
Feb 4, 2010, 09:17 AM
This is beyond messed up.

Sydde
Feb 4, 2010, 12:16 PM
The people who are most susceptible to being recruited into a church are the Atavists. This is merely an appeal to their dominant primal nature, and once firmly entrenched, they can be formed into effective soldiers for Jesus. Comparable, in its way, to al Qaeda recruiting practices, I would imagine.

There is such a broad spectrum of Christian theology that "Christian", as a noun or adjective, has no real meaning.

Tomorrow
Feb 4, 2010, 12:26 PM
This doesn't seem messed up to me at all.

I took tae kwon do lessons at a church for a few years. We prayed at the beginning and end of each day's lessons, as well as before sparring matches.

These guys are learning a fighting style. They're not trying to kill each other. There actions aren't out of hatred for each other.

Rt&Dzine
Feb 4, 2010, 01:40 PM
It beats self-flagellation.

Zombie Acorn
Feb 4, 2010, 01:42 PM
At least they are learning something useful.



I am talking about the martial arts part. ;)