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Doju
Feb 2, 2010, 06:23 PM
The Pogo Stylus and other cheap iPhone styli are great for drawing and such, but for serious taking of notes, they just won't do. It would be like doing your history notes with a piece of chalk.

http://www.atpm.com/15.05/images/pogo-stylus-head-on.jpg

Is there any styli that work on capacitive screens that are more pencil/pen like in that they're pointy at the end, and therefore more precise? Someone said you can wrap tinfoil around the end of a pencil and it'll work, so I imagine it's possible, just where…

On another note, with Wacom tablets the pressure sensitivity is in the pen, not the tablet, no? Couldn't we have a third party accessory and app that has a pressure sensitive pen that transmits over Bluetooth to the app (hell, or connector if necessary)? This would be like getting an amazing drawing tablet too.



cjthebest
Feb 2, 2010, 06:37 PM
This one (http://www.wirelessaccessories.com/p-9977-apple-iphone-3g-stylus-pen-silver.aspx) is kind of pointy, if you hold it on its side. But I don't think that it would be best for notes. I'm sure that we will see a pointy, pen-like stylus and notes app for the iPad in no time!

Doju
Feb 3, 2010, 05:29 PM
So, it's possible? It's not a limitation of capacitive technology? I just don't understand why all resistive screen styli are pointy and more precise while we capacitive people get these thick inaccurate ones?

TraceyS/FL
Feb 3, 2010, 05:33 PM
I was using my Pogo with the WritePad software this afternoon and it worked great. I think the thing is that you are going to have to adjust to having a writing area with the words then being shrunk down and saved (either as an image ala fast finga, or text like with writepad). Which might not be ideal, but i can't see writing on lines on the pad either.

But some sort of find point would be cool too - i just don't understand the tech behind it to know if it is doable.

Pixellated
Feb 4, 2010, 01:47 AM
How's about this (http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/official-htc-capacitive-stylus-for-hd2-now-shipping/)?

Bodhi395
Feb 4, 2010, 06:31 PM
How's about this (http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/official-htc-capacitive-stylus-for-hd2-now-shipping/)?

Would that work with the iphone/ipad? I'm assuming that phone uses the same touch sensitive technology as the iphone, but I'm not sure.

Doju
Feb 4, 2010, 06:35 PM
It's an awkward looking one, but at least it proves it's possible.

Does anyone know of one shaped just like a pencil, basically? It's possible?

jabba52
Feb 6, 2010, 05:35 PM
It's an awkward looking one, but at least it proves it's possible.

Does anyone know of one shaped just like a pencil, basically? It's possible?

I have the pogo stylus for Sketchbook Mobile on the ipod touch. It works, but it's hard to get used to. And of course, there's no pressure sensitivity.

If apple or another hardware developer comes out with a stylus for the ipad, it would have to connect with the bluetooth adapter and have degrees of pressure within the pen. That's what I'm hoping for. Until then, there's always the Axiotron Modbook http://www.axiotron.com/index.php?id=modbook, and the Wacom Cintiq http://www.wacom.com/cintiq/cintiq-12wx.php

amiganut
Feb 7, 2010, 02:53 PM
Tinfoil? Where would you get it? Hasn't been manufactured for years.

agkm800
Feb 7, 2010, 03:57 PM
I badly want the same thing - a pointy pencil/pen-like stylus for the iPad. But, I guess there won't be one until Apple itself makes one. Apparently, Apple has filed a patent application for a stylus, but who knows if they will really develop it or not.

http://www.mydigitallife.info/2010/01/18/apple-innovative-patent-on-capacitve-touch-stylus/

Aboo
Feb 7, 2010, 09:14 PM
I wonder if the capacitive touch styluses of the tablet pcs like the Dell Latitude XT or the HP TX2 would work on the iphone/iPad?

Bytor65
Feb 12, 2010, 09:33 AM
This one (http://www.wirelessaccessories.com/p-9977-apple-iphone-3g-stylus-pen-silver.aspx) is kind of pointy, if you hold it on its side. But I don't think that it would be best for notes. I'm sure that we will see a pointy, pen-like stylus and notes app for the iPad in no time!

I saw a review of this one. You can't really use it on the point, you have to use it on the flat. Capacitance touch seems to need some area of contact.

I also think the HP Tx2 has dual digitizers, so it's stulus won't work on an iPad.

Basically, you are not going to get pinpoint precision on a iPad.

djjclark
Feb 12, 2010, 01:23 PM
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/tech/Sausage-Stylus-a-Meaty-Must-Have-84137612.html

macduke
Feb 12, 2010, 02:46 PM
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/tech/Sausage-Stylus-a-Meaty-Must-Have-84137612.html

Does anyone else think this sounds like an Onion article? Especially this part:

Sausage sales in South Korea have increased by nearly 40 percent because iPhone users trying to get by in the cold have turned meat sticks into tapping and swiping assists, Clusterflock discovered.

kdarling
Feb 12, 2010, 03:42 PM
Does anyone else think this sounds like an Onion article? Especially this part:

Ha! That's great. I wonder if a Slim Jim will work as well? Gotta try it.

As for a pointy stylus, the main problem that I see is that the iPhone's screen processor is specifically designed to ignore random noise. And a single point would probably look like noise to it, assuming it could even draw off enough current to be noticed.

You see, when you put your finger near the iPhone screen, it doesn't just register a single point. It "sees" the current being drawn off in a set of values roughly equivalent to the shape of the end of your finger(s).

A touch might look like this, with 0 = no touch, and higher values = more current = flesh closer to the screen (like an inverted mountain top):


000000000000000000000
000000000000100000000 .............x
000000000002320000000 ............xxx
001000000013542000000 ...x.......xxxxx
000000000003432000000 ............xxxx
000030000001111000000 .......x....xxxx
000000000000000000000


The iPhone touch processor figures out the more or less rectangular edges of a touch (x's), and then calculates the center using the values. (This is why iPhone touches curve near the screen edges... the rectangle is wrong.)

In any case, a single high value might not be seen as anything but noise (like the 1 and 3 off to the left) unless it stays around for an unusually long time (seconds?), if even then. So pointy might not work well on the iPhone.

(PS. In real life, the values are 0-255.)

master-ceo
Feb 12, 2010, 05:27 PM
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/tech/Sausage-Stylus-a-Meaty-Must-Have-84137612.html

lol. wth?

I always was a fan of the sony stylus that came with the ux.

benjamin747
Feb 12, 2010, 06:31 PM
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/official-htc-capacitive-stylus-for-hd2-now-shipping/

That would work with it...

anjinha
Feb 12, 2010, 06:46 PM
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/tech/Sausage-Stylus-a-Meaty-Must-Have-84137612.html

Gummy bears work too.

Bytor65
Feb 12, 2010, 06:59 PM
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/official-htc-capacitive-stylus-for-hd2-now-shipping/

That would work with it...

Still fat when you see it from the other direction:
http://www.devicewire.co.uk/official-htc-hd2-capacitive-stylus

Essentially there is a big disc on the end and you make contact with the whole thing. Other photos show the disc edge on so it looks sharp.

There really is no getting around it, you need chunky area to make contact.

benjamin747
Feb 12, 2010, 07:57 PM
Still fat when you see it from the other direction:
http://www.devicewire.co.uk/official-htc-hd2-capacitive-stylus

Essentially there is a big disc on the end and you make contact with the whole thing. Other photos show the disc edge on so it looks sharp.

There really is no getting around it, you need chunky area to make contact.

Well the thing is, even on the iPad, you can't use a plastic etc. type stylus. The amazing touch screen is meant for fingers. You could try taking apart the pogo to get a small slice, but it is built into the OS to ignore accidental input...

agkm800
Feb 12, 2010, 08:44 PM
000000000000000000000
000000000000100000000 .............x
000000000002320000000 ............xxx
001000000013542000000 ...x.......xxxxx
000000000003432000000 ............xxxx
000030000001111000000 .......x....xxxx
000000000000000000000


In any case, a single high value might not be seen as anything but noise (like the 1 and 3 off to the left) unless it stays around for an unusually long time (seconds?), if even then. So pointy might not work well on the iPhone.



So, one that would have a AAA battery in the pen still wouldn't work if the tip is pointy. :(

Dougbernards
Apr 12, 2010, 01:48 PM
I say stick a slim Jim in your pencil sharpener.:)

Nykwil
Apr 12, 2010, 02:03 PM
get a pen, remove ink tip, wrap tip with a sock, use as stylus.

praetorian909
Apr 18, 2010, 03:13 PM
I'm also looking for a pointy stylus. So far I only seen the Pogo which is not pointy, and the Ozaki iFinger that looked similar to the one posted by cjthebest:
http://www.ozaki.us/en/2009/ifinger/

It looks like Ozaki made a newer version, reviewed by iLounge, but the tip looks more like the Pogo now:
http://www.ozaki.us/en/2009/
(click on 3)

I think your idea for pressure sensitivity via Bluetooth is a great idea--maybe a way to implement it is the pen itself could detect how hard you squeeze it? I thought about it and it happens naturally when using a real pen/pencil.

RunOverProducti
Apr 18, 2010, 05:32 PM
Try this, it comes with different tips including a fine tip, check the pictures on this link:

http://www.amazon.com/iClooly-Multi-Touch-Pen-iPad-Version/dp/B0032J1NM0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1271629657&sr=8-1

Zepaw
Apr 19, 2010, 10:35 PM
How do you even order the Ozaki one? They aren't on Amazon and if I click on the buy now it links to sending them an email. Worst possible shopping experience.

This one (http://www.wirelessaccessories.com/p-9977-apple-iphone-3g-stylus-pen-silver.aspx) is kind of pointy, if you hold it on its side. But I don't think that it would be best for notes. I'm sure that we will see a pointy, pen-like stylus and notes app for the iPad in no time!

From that page:
MSRP: $12.95(SLASHED THROUGH)
Price: $12.95

Can't resist such a good deal!

praetorian909
Apr 19, 2010, 11:06 PM
Try this, it comes with different tips including a fine tip, check the pictures on this link:
http://www.amazon.com/iClooly-Multi-Touch-Pen-iPad-Version/dp/B0032J1NM0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1271629657&sr=8-1

Thanks for posting that! Looks like it might be just (or very nearly) what I was looking for.

AJsAWiz
Apr 20, 2010, 10:12 AM
Try this, it comes with different tips including a fine tip, check the pictures on this link:

http://www.amazon.com/iClooly-Multi-Touch-Pen-iPad-Version/dp/B0032J1NM0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1271629657&sr=8-1

Looks cool but I'm not sure that the fine tip will work with the iPad.

"Description
Two touch pens in one. One made out of soft fiber material for electrostatic touch styles (capacitive LCD) including iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad, Google Android Phones, HTC HD2 and more. The other is a stylus pen for general use (resistive LCD) including PDA, Nintendo DS models, Navigation and other smart-phones with resistive LCD. Precise touch and control and avoid pressing the wrong keys. Smart and portable design (only 4.5 inches long) and the pen point feel as if you touch a soft brush."

PVIllustration
Apr 21, 2010, 08:27 AM
there is also the Dagi Stylus

http://www.dagi.com.tw/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfTeIIi79r8&feature=related

Looks like it could take a bit more time to get used to (compared to the pogo) but seems nicer to hold in your hands for longer periods of time.

Fanatik7
Apr 21, 2010, 09:13 AM
there is also the Dagi Stylus

http://www.dagi.com.tw/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfTeIIi79r8&feature=related

Looks like it could take a bit more time to get used to (compared to the pogo) but seems nicer to hold in your hands for longer periods of time.

Thanx for the links. That looks awesome and the video looks like it would be great for scketch book pro. I currently doodle with this program and with the dagi it would be ten times easier.

Fanatik7
Apr 21, 2010, 09:20 AM
Looks like the only place to buy them is Ebay. 3 pens for $32. Not bad at all since you will probably want more than one just in case you loose one.

Indus
Apr 21, 2010, 09:43 AM
Staedtler's Mars 3 Data (http://www.staedtler.com/multi_action_instruments_ca.Staedtler) has been my faithful companion for .. gods, I used that thing on my Newton MP 2100.. still use it on an old palm with some custom apps, but of course it's not designed for a capacitive touchscreen specifically. It's a pointy tip, but how it'd work with your devices I have no idea.. although Staedtler does claim it to work with 'handheld devices'.

When I get my portables out of the dark ages, l'll have to try epoxying a tiny dot of loop-velcro to the end of a modified Mars 3; I'd hate to have to carry yet another object around. If I did I think I'd give something like the Fosmon Stylus (http://www.amazon.com/Fosmon%C2%AE-Premium-Quality-Metal-Stylus/dp/B003FNP8TC/ref=pd_sim_e_2) as I think I'd prefer a symmetric point, instead of something with a little angled bit of plastic.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31otSl-GrgL._SS400_.jpg

ipoddin
Apr 21, 2010, 02:27 PM
Looks cool but I'm not sure that the fine tip will work with the iPad.

"Description
Two touch pens in one. One made out of soft fiber material for electrostatic touch styles (capacitive LCD) including iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad, Google Android Phones, HTC HD2 and more. The other is a stylus pen for general use (resistive LCD) including PDA, Nintendo DS models, Navigation and other smart-phones with resistive LCD. Precise touch and control and avoid pressing the wrong keys. Smart and portable design (only 4.5 inches long) and the pen point feel as if you touch a soft brush."

I don't understand why it wouldn't work for the ipad, when the first sentence you quoted says it will?

Fanatik7
Apr 21, 2010, 07:33 PM
I don't understand why it wouldn't work for the ipad, when the first sentence you quoted says it will?

No it won't work because the fine point is for resistive screens. There is a reason all capacitive stylus are big tips. iPhones/ipads look for big tips because they are made to work with finger tips.

j3yq
Apr 21, 2010, 09:46 PM
I say stick a slim Jim in your pencil sharpener.:)

Lol, I kinda want to try it now.

HXGuy
Apr 22, 2010, 12:04 AM
I don't understand why it wouldn't work for the ipad, when the first sentence you quoted says it will?

The product comes with two tips...a thick one and a thinner one. The thick one will work with the iPad and the thin one won't.

sculptor310
Apr 22, 2010, 02:27 AM
I bought the ipad to use as a sketchpad and I have both the Dagi and Pogo. The pogo is my preferred stylus by far. The Dagi is good for tapping, but the pogo runs across the surface much better. You can always zoom in on the sketch if the pogo point is too bulky.

Until someone releases a bluetooth pressure sensitive stylus, I'll most likely be sticking with the pogo.

PVIllustration
Apr 22, 2010, 03:14 AM
thank you for your comparison of the two, sculptor310. I most likely will also start out with the pogo and see how that fares.

The General
Apr 22, 2010, 03:32 AM
type them

done

next

getrusty
Apr 22, 2010, 08:53 AM
I have been on the prowl myself. The one I found which seems pretty decent is made by Dagi. Its a different type of design having a clear plastic pad with a red dot in the middle of it which is used as the pointer. I caught a review which included below as well. It looks a little funky since if you do not have the pen angled the correct way ... it may not make good contact in order to write properly but in the review it looks much better than the pogo which I still dont understand.



http://www.dagi.com.tw/Dagi%20Stylus-P005-All.jpg

http://www.dagi.com.tw/


Here is the review on it ... (which I like the detail that MrHG78 goes through)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyYKculQ9io&feature=player_embedded


The quest continues but not bad.

TraceyS/FL
Apr 22, 2010, 09:19 AM
Here is the review on it ... (which I like the detail that MrHG78 goes through)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyYKculQ9io&feature=player_embedded


The quest continues but not bad.

Interesting... doesn't look like something i'd like to put on my screen though.

But some of the issues that I saw him having (i watched 1/2) were possibly app related. How the app deals with the input and smoothes things out and all that really can make or break using a stylus from what i have seen.

My child stole my pogo i think - or i'd steal her iPad and try a few of the apps i've downloaded for her. I know there was a thread on here somewhere comparing results between apps and they showed what i had seen for myself.

ETA: that also shows a variety of ways that throwing "windows" on a tablet without mods just does not work well! LOL!!

PVIllustration
Apr 22, 2010, 03:46 PM
I'm just thinking, would you need a screen protective film to go with the Dagi stylus?

Compared to the Pogo the Dagi just seems it could cause a lot more tear and wear on the iPad screen, and I would hate to find out my stylus is causing trouble.

jbouklas
Apr 22, 2010, 05:41 PM
I bought the ipad to use as a sketchpad and I have both the Dagi and Pogo. The pogo is my preferred stylus by far. The Dagi is good for tapping, but the pogo runs across the surface much better. You can always zoom in on the sketch if the pogo point is too bulky.

Until someone releases a bluetooth pressure sensitive stylus, I'll most likely be sticking with the pogo.

How does sketching on the iPad work? I'm getting ready to purchase the 3G version next week, and I'd love to buy a stylus to take notes in class or on the go, but does it register input from your hand resting on the screen while you write?

I understand the Windows-based tablets have software that recognize when your hand is leaning on the tablet and only recognize the pen input for capacitive screens- is that the case with the iPad?

dkhenkin
Apr 24, 2010, 07:04 PM
How does sketching on the iPad work? I'm getting ready to purchase the 3G version next week, and I'd love to buy a stylus to take notes in class or on the go, but does it register input from your hand resting on the screen while you write?

I understand the Windows-based tablets have software that recognize when your hand is leaning on the tablet and only recognize the pen input for capacitive screens- is that the case with the iPad?

Unfortunately no. From what i understand you have to write with your hand kinda hovering over the screen. I'm still trying to figure out which stylus to get to take notes on penultimate. The pogo seems too thick, i want to get the dagi but I only see em in 3 packs on eBay for $30...

Zepaw
Apr 24, 2010, 08:53 PM
Just grabbed a Pogo from an Apple Store (gotta ask them, its in the back). Overall I like it. Sometimes you have to pause a beat before moving or it might not recognize your attempt to draw, but controls surprisingly well for a foam tip.

Bytor65
Apr 24, 2010, 09:54 PM
Here is the review on it ... (which I like the detail that MrHG78 goes through)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyYKculQ9io&feature=player_embedded




Despite him liking the Dagi, IMO in his own demo, the Pogo does a better job.

That and I get more reminders of just how bad windows tablets are.

ctt1wbw
Apr 25, 2010, 03:36 PM
Just bought this from Amazon. Stylus (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003FNP8TC/ref=oss_product)

Only 5 bucks each, so I bought the both of them.

touchmonkey
Apr 25, 2010, 07:36 PM
Just bought this from Amazon. Stylus (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003FNP8TC/ref=oss_product)

Only 5 bucks each, so I bought the both of them.
I have used these in the past to good effect. Ordered more.
Some have a rubberish tip, that starts to drag on the screen.
I modded by adding a small piece of nylon over the tip which keeps it sliding. And the magic passes through.
The best stylus has yet to be made.
Doesn't seem to be rocket surgery.
Have worked hours on making my own. Success is elusive.

sculptor310
Apr 25, 2010, 10:04 PM
How does sketching on the iPad work? I'm getting ready to purchase the 3G version next week, and I'd love to buy a stylus to take notes in class or on the go, but does it register input from your hand resting on the screen while you write?

I was concerned about this issue as well, but it isn't a big problem. The size of the screen is just perfect so that the side of your hand rests on the non-capacitive edge of the device. I anticipate that the app developers will figure out a hand interference fix soon, but in the mean time, it's nothing to worry about.

Just for comparison, I also own a Cintiq, and although the Cintiq is more sophisticated, I preferred working on the ipad because it felt more like a sketchbook and more natural to draw on.

sculptor310
Apr 25, 2010, 10:21 PM
I have used these in the past to good effect. Ordered more.
Some have a rubberish tip, that starts to drag on the screen.
I modded by adding a small piece of nylon over the tip which keeps it sliding. And the magic passes through.
The best stylus has yet to be made.
Doesn't seem to be rocket surgery.
Have worked hours on making my own. Success is elusive.

I think the "dragging" issue you're referring to is a result of the solid rubber tip. The pogo's rubber is formed as a sponge that reduces drag. In the 13 days that I used it, it got better as it was "broken in". It has the best feel of the styli that I tried.

getrusty
May 1, 2010, 12:44 PM
It would be nice if the Dagi had round (have marble like) tip. I like the clear part that is nice. but agreed I would be a little nervous about the tip possible damaging the display surface. The ipad being glass is one thing but one a device like a HP tablet I would cringe to use that. I do like the dagi concept one down fall though is they only can be found in a 3 pack at about $30 on ebay. I am sure we could share the wealth buy and sell the other two to a buddy kinda of thing.

i like the forsmon.... the tip is rubbery though? Can you give any feedback on that guy once you get that one in your hands.

I did see a stylus with a full pen (10 mil) diameter size and the tip was pointy like a sharpie. I am trying to find that bad boy still but it looked real nice.

The one downfall is the fact that if you try inking with any of these stylus devices you can not rest you hand on the screen. I saw some girl Dani doing a really nice youtube demo of Sketch(???) App and she had to wear a glove so the screen does not take the input of the hand and mark the workspace. That needs to be tweaked with apps or somehow be addressed.

fishmd
May 1, 2010, 08:36 PM
Just to let you all know, tenonedesign, the makers of the pogo, have emailed me confirming that they are working on a newly designed stylus for the iPad that should be out later this month. It will supposedly have better impute for writting, but they would not give me details on it.

getrusty
May 1, 2010, 10:39 PM
excellent fish.... I am interested about that...

please keep me posted on any details as you hear anythings else

zzzzzzzzz
May 2, 2010, 08:39 PM
I emailed DAGi and they told me that you can order a single stylus from them for $19.90 including shipping (to Canada, in USD).

I was about to pull the trigger, but then read the post about the Pogo people developing a new one especially for the IPad, and I think that's worth waiting for, considering that most of these were made with cell phones in mind (one exception may be Ozaki's iFinger)

Friscohoya
May 3, 2010, 01:30 PM
I was concerned about this issue as well, but it isn't a big problem. The size of the screen is just perfect so that the side of your hand rests on the non-capacitive edge of the device. I anticipate that the app developers will figure out a hand interference fix soon, but in the mean time, it's nothing to worry about.

Just for comparison, I also own a Cintiq, and although the Cintiq is more sophisticated, I preferred working on the ipad because it felt more like a sketchbook and more natural to draw on.

Where a glove. Problem solved.

boltjames
May 3, 2010, 02:10 PM
http://www.sxc.hu/pic/m/g/gl/glennpeb/1054866_legal_pad.jpg

I have three questions and I believe this is the right thread to ask them in. This is in regards to using the iPad like an executive in a meeting would. A notepad that looks like a yellow legal pad, a pointy stylus, and hand-written notes. The questions:

1. Is there an iPad hardware issue that prevents small writing?

2. Are there apps that allow for note taking with small, hand-written-by-stylus characters?

3. If I lean the side of my hand on the iPad to lean as I am writing, is the game over?

From reading this thread, it appears that the iPad isn't built to be a notepad with input from a stylus in an adult-sized character dimension. Is that correct? Is it impossible for us to see a pointy stylus + an app + anti-hand recognition technology to turn the iPad into, you know, a Pad?

There are many uses for my iPad in the executive workplace. One of the ones I was looking forward to was using it with a stylus to take meeting notes by hand.

BJ

iRabbit
May 3, 2010, 02:30 PM
1. Is there an iPad hardware issue that prevents small writing?

No. Take a look at the app HandWriting Mail. It has a great way to input text, even small. It's one of the nicest ones I've seen for input handwritten text quickly.

The problem is, the only way to output what you've written is email. They have no way to save multiple notebooks/sheets within the app itself. Disappointing.

2. Are there apps that allow for note taking with small, hand-written-by-stylus characters?

See above.

Penultimate is EXCELLENT. It's one of the best I've seen in terms of mimicking what it feels like to write with a real pen on paper. It even seems to do a decent job of simulating pressure sensitivity - which surprised me.

I wish it offered an input area option like HandWriting Mail though. It's hard to keep you hand off the screen when you're writing up at the top of the page. Wearing a glove is an easy solution, but not a very stylish one! LOL

3. If I lean the side of my hand on the iPad to lean as I am writing, is the game over?

Yup, unless you wear a glove, or put a microfiber cloth under your hand (which is what I do when sketching).

From reading this thread, it appears that the iPad isn't built to be a notepad with input from a stylus in an adult-sized character dimension. Is that correct? Is it impossible for us to see a pointy stylus + an app + anti-hand recognition technology to turn the iPad into, you know, a Pad?

I think we're on our way. There are some good handwriting apps already that just need some fine-tuning. There are some EXCELLENT drawing apps that could take a lesson from penultimate in their simulation of pressure sensitivity.

There is at least one app that provides a "dead zone" to lean your hand on... I can't remember the name of it right now... so it's certainly possible!

HandWriting Mail puts the input field at the bottom, so your hand would never rest on the screen. If other handwriting apps offered the option for similar, we'd have some perfect handwriting apps out there!

There are many uses for my iPad in the executive workplace. One of the ones I was looking forward to was using it with a stylus to take meeting notes by hand.

I already plan to do it with Penultimate :)

boltjames
May 3, 2010, 02:50 PM
No. Take a look at ....[snip]



Thank you very much for the detailed answer. There's hope for us yet.

BJ

steffi
May 3, 2010, 05:11 PM
Those folks using the pogo you're sketching right and not actually writing?

What can you use the replaces a pen writing on a pad? That's what I'm looking for.

Thank you very much for the detailed answer. There's hope for us yet.

BJ

boltjames
May 3, 2010, 06:59 PM
Those folks using the pogo you're sketching right and not actually writing?

What can you use the replaces a pen writing on a pad? That's what I'm looking for.

http://www.stylusfinepens.com/writing/cross/519-cross-century-2-starlight-fountain-pen-0.jpg

+1.

I think that's what all of us are looking for. Forget the iPad artist community. We executive types need a sexy digital notepad to whip out in the boardroom. Before we can do that, need a stylus that looks like an executive's pen, not an aluminum toothpaste tube with a Q-Tip on the end.

BJ

steffi
May 3, 2010, 07:45 PM
I've finally ordered the Pogo Sketch after seeing that the Penultimate support site recommends them and I guess those pictures they have were created with them.

http://www.stylusfinepens.com/writing/cross/519-cross-century-2-starlight-fountain-pen-0.jpg

+1.

I think that's what all of us are looking for. Forget the iPad artist community. We executive types need a sexy digital notepad to whip out in the boardroom. Before we can do that, need a stylus that looks like an executive's pen, not an aluminum toothpaste tube with a Q-Tip on the end.

BJ

Nodwick
May 5, 2010, 10:15 PM
Here's an iPad accessory for all those inking types: http://www.smudgeguard.com/

I haven't used it myself, but supposedly it gets rid of the palm problem while not making you wear a whole glove.

also: bluetooth pressure-sensitive pen? I say make a start-up to make and sell these. The potential college-going note-taking audience may be bigger than you think. You could even team up with smudgeguard to include one of those those in a purchase.

TraceyS/FL
May 6, 2010, 06:11 AM
Here's an iPad accessory for all those inking types: http://www.smudgeguard.com/

I haven't used it myself, but supposedly it gets rid of the palm problem while not making you wear a whole glove.

also: bluetooth pressure-sensitive pen? I say make a start-up to make and sell these. The potential college-going note-taking audience may be bigger than you think. You could even team up with smudgeguard to include one of those those in a purchase.

I have a left handed child that is going to want this when she sees it!

sculptor310
May 6, 2010, 10:40 AM
The design looks great, but make sure that it works with the ipad before buying. I spent a while at the fabric store discovering which fabrics were capacitive blockers and which were not. Cotton for example is not. Spandex works better but isn't perfect. A layer of spandex will block one finger, but it takes two layers of spandex to block the side of a hand.

I ended up buying some material they had labeled as "sweatshirt" material, however it is much thinner than you'd imagine. I'm making a single layer glove with a small patch on the edge of the hand to give a double layer in that area.

The smudgeguard is listed as a nylon spandex blend. I'd imagine that it would block fingers but I'm cautious of its abilities to block the edge of the hand. If anyone has tried this, please write a review.

Friscohoya
May 6, 2010, 12:14 PM
The design looks great, but make sure that it works with the ipad before buying. I spent a while at the fabric store discovering which fabrics were capacitive blockers and which were not. Cotton for example is not. Spandex works better but isn't perfect. A layer of spandex will block one finger, but it takes two layers of spandex to block the side of a hand.

I ended up buying some material they had labeled as "sweatshirt" material, however it is much thinner than you'd imagine. I'm making a single layer glove with a small patch on the edge of the hand to give a double layer in that area.

The smudgeguard is listed as a nylon spandex blend. I'd imagine that it would block fingers but I'm cautious of its abilities to block the edge of the hand. If anyone has tried this, please write a review.

There are several apps that eliminate the hand input issue by having a secondary window at the bottom where text is input. Ghostwriter is a pretty good one and Notetaker HD which has been submitted but not yet accepted looks to be another step forward and quite polished. See youtube for a video on the latter. ijot also uses a secondary window, but is better probably on the iphone than the ipad.

iRabbit
May 6, 2010, 01:08 PM
There are several apps that eliminate the hand input issue by having a secondary window at the bottom where text is input. Ghostwriter is a pretty good one and Notetaker HD which has been submitted but not yet accepted looks to be another step forward and quite polished. See youtube for a video on the latter. ijot also uses a secondary window, but is better probably on the iphone than the ipad.

+1
So far Ghostwriter has been my favorite, though it is a bit laggy the more you fill up the page with notes. I used it today in a meeting and all the executives were impressed. LOL

Notetaker HD looks awesome and I'm excited to try it when it comes out...

Beau10
May 6, 2010, 01:27 PM
Penultimate is EXCELLENT. It's one of the best I've seen in terms of mimicking what it feels like to write with a real pen on paper. It even seems to do a decent job of simulating pressure sensitivity - which surprised me.


Penultimate appears to vary line thickness by the speed of input, which nicely mimics written text (when one writes, the quicker strokes see one slightly lifting their instrument). It's clever and it works well.

But there are a couple serious hardware limitations here with the capacitive display, make no mistake - no real pressure sensitivity (a bt stylus can fix) and the fact that a minimal area of the screen must be activated to register a touch - it simply cannot use a fine tipped stylus. That alone will keep writing a bit kludgy.

Personally, I don't see how someone could say Penultimate is even in the same ballpark as a pen and paper. I tried it for a day in the office, no thanks.

iRabbit
May 6, 2010, 01:54 PM
Personally, I don't see how someone could say Penultimate is even in the same ballpark as a pen and paper. I tried it for a day in the office, no thanks.

Never said it was... I said it had a beautiful feel to it when writing and was the most "pen like" in terms of feeling like a real pen.

However... See my reply above yours.

You NEED an input field for any serious note taking. I took substantial notes in a meeting today using Ghostwriter. Worked very well. But I have high hopes that Notetaker HD will be even better.

peteo
May 7, 2010, 12:56 PM
I am also looking for the best app & stylus combo.
Pen ultimate is nice, but I need something better, with typing, search, better use of paper size (auto zoom) etc.

Beau10
May 7, 2010, 03:29 PM
You NEED an input field for any serious note taking. I took substantial notes in a meeting today using Ghostwriter. Worked very well. But I have high hopes that Notetaker HD will be even better.

Hmm, I'll take a look at those.

Anyone have updates on the upcoming iPad stylus from Ten One (makers of Pogo Sketch)?

charboiled
May 11, 2010, 04:21 PM
Hello,

I was wondering if anyone was able to purchase this stylus? If so, where did you go to get one?

I have tried clicking all over their website, searched online, and even emailed them asking how I can purchase one. No luck.

Thanks

Charles

Friscohoya
May 12, 2010, 01:18 PM
Hmm, I'll take a look at those.

Anyone have updates on the upcoming iPad stylus from Ten One (makers of Pogo Sketch)?

Notetaker HD is solid. I still think that the auto advance feature is awkward at best. Makes it more difficul than using a piece of paper. I am not sure if a pointy stylus can help with note taking by eliminating the need for a seperate writing box. If not, then ijot has an opening to come in and deliver something truly amazing...

munckee
May 23, 2010, 07:18 AM
Anyone know if the new pogo stylus is out yet?

dkhenkin
May 23, 2010, 08:19 PM
New update for penultimate really rounded off the app for me. The wrist protection feature finally let's me write comfortably on the iPad. Now all I need is a bit nicer stylus (currently using the pogo one) and I bet the iPad can be an awesome notepad replacement.

boltjames
May 23, 2010, 09:03 PM
New update for penultimate really rounded off the app for me. The wrist protection feature finally let's me write comfortably on the iPad. Now all I need is a bit nicer stylus (currently using the pogo one) and I bet the iPad can be an awesome notepad replacement.

Bet again. Unfortunately, unless you use crayons to take notepad notes at work or school there's no way that the current mix of hardware/software can deliver a real notepad replacement.

Not only does the stylus have to get more pointy (the easy part) but the screen needs to be able to understand the input, deliver it faster, and with the type of small-letter accuracy that has yet to be demonstrated.

Sadly, I'm looking for a new folio that looks like this:

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb279/boltjames/notepadipad.jpg

BJ

Anup2104
May 24, 2010, 01:48 PM
been following this thread for a while, while deciding whether or not to get th ipad...

anyone think this will work?

http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/24/n-trigs-digital-pencil-plays-pen-and-fingertip-roles-claims-ma/

EmersonMitchell
May 24, 2010, 05:01 PM
I think your idea for pressure sensitivity via Bluetooth is a great idea--maybe a way to implement it is the pen itself could detect how hard you squeeze it? I thought about it and it happens naturally when using a real pen/pencil.

Someone needs to invent this. Sell the stylus and give away the necessary Bluetooth software. Id buy one.

:)

Beau10
May 24, 2010, 05:31 PM
Someone needs to invent this. Sell the stylus and give away the necessary Bluetooth software. Id buy one.

:)

Well such pens already exist, the tip is pressure sensitive (which makes a heckuva lot more sense).

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=bluetooth+stylus&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=7796798182366460028&ei=nf36S8qHEozOMo7U9IMI&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCsQ8wIwAg#

Really, it's the software end of things that needs to be addressed.

dkhenkin
May 25, 2010, 05:38 PM
Bet again. Unfortunately, unless you use crayons to take notepad notes at work or school there's no way that the current mix of hardware/software can deliver a real notepad replacement.

Not only does the stylus have to get more pointy (the easy part) but the screen needs to be able to understand the input, deliver it faster, and with the type of small-letter accuracy that has yet to be demonstrated.

Sadly, I'm looking for a new folio that looks like this:

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb279/boltjames/notepadipad.jpg

BJ

I didn't bet it'd be end all replacement for a notepad but with a better stylus it could get close. It would never replace a paper notepad for a situation that is writing intensive which would require me to write a lot really fast, but for sitting and jotting notes at a leisurely pace it can do pretty well I think.

jkrutch
May 30, 2010, 04:54 PM
been following this thread for a while, while deciding whether or not to get th ipad...

anyone think this will work?

http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/24/n-trigs-digital-pencil-plays-pen-and-fingertip-roles-claims-ma/

Did you do it? If so...please let us know if it works...

Cagle
Jun 4, 2010, 09:25 AM
New update for penultimate really rounded off the app for me. The wrist protection feature finally let's me write comfortably on the iPad. Now all I need is a bit nicer stylus (currently using the pogo one) and I bet the iPad can be an awesome notepad replacement.

you must have some serious penmanship skills cuz I can't do anything but draw large squiggly shapes with penultimate. i don't see the point in the app, I can't take notes cuz a couple of words fill the length of the sheet.

i did do a nice house with windows, a chimney and smoke coming out the other day, well worth 2.99.

dkhenkin
Jun 4, 2010, 10:55 AM
you must have some serious penmanship skills cuz I can't do anything but draw large squiggly shapes with penultimate. i don't see the point in the app, I can't take notes cuz a couple of words fill the length of the sheet.

i did do a nice house with windows, a chimney and smoke coming out the other day, well worth 2.99.

Haha, first let me congratulate you on your artistic achievments. I do agree it's still no where near as effective as an actual pen and paper notepad. I don't think there's ever going to be something on the ipad that just allows you to completly replace a notepad. I'm just saying that the wrist protection update was very nice!

been following this thread for a while, while deciding whether or not to get th ipad...

anyone think this will work?

http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/24/n-trigs-digital-pencil-plays-pen-and-fingertip-roles-claims-ma/

Any idea where to get that pen?

FernandoJT
Jun 4, 2010, 01:04 PM
Check this out:

http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz154/Plai_tv/-stylobyPlai.jpg?t=1275609922

More info on how it works can be found here (http://www.plai.tv/blog.php?id=11&p=&search=).

i hope this message doesn't get deleted like the thread i started.

Badfoot
Jun 4, 2010, 04:42 PM
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.38207

any good ?

wet-nap
Jun 5, 2010, 01:02 PM
This might work. Capacitive. Pointy tip. But it might only work on Elan's capacitive screens and it might be too soft. But it's promising. If someone buys one please report back.


Elan Microelectronics eStylus

http://www.emc.com.tw/twn/ap_images/1.%20Smart%20Phone_e-Stylus%20for%20Capacitive%20Touchpad%20SolutionI.jpg

http://www.emc.com.tw/twn/ap_images/6.%20Portable%20Media%20Player_e-Stylus%20for%20Capacitive%20Touchpad%20Solution.jpg

http://www.emc.com.tw/eng/news_1_1.asp?id=69
Likewise, ELAN has also introduced eStylus™, the world’s first capacitive stylus that can easily pinpoint and input virtual QWERTY tiny icons and unfolds the digital handwriting on Capacitive Touchpad technology.* It allows user to input his or her signature directly from the touchpad.* This has further expanded the Capacitive Touchpad functions and offers user with more convenient options

jkrutch
Jun 5, 2010, 01:06 PM
I'll buy one if I can find one....

dkhenkin
Jun 5, 2010, 02:39 PM
Times like this I wish I was an engineer. I feel like there is money to be made here..

ckr4282
Jun 5, 2010, 04:24 PM
This (http://www.amazon.com/Apple-iPad-Capacitive-Stylus-Black/dp/B000BUI76S/ref=sr_1_19?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1275772989&sr=8-19) seems to be pointier than most available.

radicaldog
Jun 5, 2010, 06:01 PM
When a Moleskine application (and a suitable stylus) appear I'll buy an iPad.

masa.
Jun 6, 2010, 11:52 PM
The smudgeguard is listed as a nylon spandex blend. I'd imagine that it would block fingers but I'm cautious of its abilities to block the edge of the hand. If anyone has tried this, please write a review.

I've got it today and tried on my iPad with different applications. Unfortunately, it did not work well. Every time the side of my hand or pinky touches the screen, the iPad loses the detection of the stylus...
I might try make my own smudgeguard with different material.

iRabbit
Jun 7, 2010, 12:07 AM
For those of you that want to take notes like in a real notebook...

Try NoteTaker HD
Or
GhostWriter

Both have a pretty nice input field for inputing text ON THE LINES like in a real notebook. I have a hard time deciding between the two as to which is my favorite...

NoteTaker's interface runs a little smoother and quicker... But it saves individual pages instead of notebooks.

GhostWriter saves in notebooks, offers multiple tools and colors (pencil for drawing, pen for smaller input, highlighters) but it seems to get a little laggy the more you fill up a page.


None of this is to say I wouldn't like a stylus with a finer point, but even so, with Penultimate you'd STILL have a problem writing small and on the lines. An input field makes all the difference really.

aelalfy
Jun 7, 2010, 10:41 AM
get a pen, remove ink tip, wrap tip with a sock, use as stylus.

At least one person on the right track.
Except take an aluminum pen take the type ball out and stuff the narrow hole with conductive foam. And you are done. It will take the current on your hands and through the foam onto the screen. I'll be tryi this today and making the area of touch as small as a regular pen

Thank you
AE

xraytech
Jun 8, 2010, 06:51 PM
This one (http://www.wirelessaccessories.com/p-9977-apple-iphone-3g-stylus-pen-silver.aspx) is kind of pointy, if you hold it on its side. But I don't think that it would be best for notes. I'm sure that we will see a pointy, pen-like stylus and notes app for the iPad in no time!

I just got mine and I'm not happy with the results. It has what I think is a rubber tip that feels like a very firm pencil erase. Not very responsive and it leaves traces of rubber on the screen.

Thumbs down.

scarletriddle33
Jun 9, 2010, 06:25 PM
has anyone seen this (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003NGMY02/sr=1-110/qid=1276125487/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&qid=1276125487&sr=1-110&seller=) one?
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21CBwwkTqyL._SS500_.jpg

Product description on amazon says
"You could also turn your iPad, Mac Book track pad or other touch screen input device into a pen tablet for premium drawing programs."

cmascatello
Jun 9, 2010, 06:55 PM
has anyone seen this (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003NGMY02/sr=1-110/qid=1276125487/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&qid=1276125487&sr=1-110&seller=) one?

Product description on amazon says
"You could also turn your iPad, Mac Book track pad or other touch screen input device into a pen tablet for premium drawing programs."

Check the picture and description carefully. You have to flip the pen over and use the rubber top on capacitive screens. The point is an actual pen.

scarletriddle33
Jun 9, 2010, 07:02 PM
Check the picture and description carefully. You have to flip the pen over and use the rubber top on capacitive screens. The point is an actual pen.

Damn, looks like I was too excited about the thought of it being what I wanted it to be i didn't notice :(

touchmonkey
Jun 9, 2010, 09:21 PM
very deceptive advertising

scarletriddle33
Jun 9, 2010, 10:22 PM
anyone got any info on these?:

- pogo's new stuff advertised on website... "there's a lot more coming"
- apple's patent for stylus ever coming to life

niter
Jun 10, 2010, 05:07 AM
Is there any reason not to use the dagi stylus? It looks funky but it seems to do the proper job. I do not have one personally but I am trying to figure out why it is not meeting the need after I saw photos of it.

Star56
Jun 11, 2010, 08:46 PM
I got a Boxwave stylus earlier today to use with Notetaker HD.

I am really impressed. Using the input window I can create notes that look and function almost exactly like a real notepad. It took a little practice with Notetaker HD but now I love this thing. My lines are a reasonably thin diameter and fit well within standard notebook lines.

This is now usable as a virtual notepad replacement for the famous yellow legal pad. I have a big business trip next month and this will be my notetaking system.

Buzzsaw
Jun 12, 2010, 03:14 AM
Does anyone have a link to the correct Boxwave stylus? I went on their website and found a ton of them, didn't know which one was the 'good' one.

wodeh
Jun 12, 2010, 03:55 AM
I didn't know there was such a big crossover between people interested in the iPad and those who still practice the quaint art of handwriting.

I was interested in styli for sketching but found that between the need to avoid resting ones hand on the iPad, and the sheer unresponsiveness of capacitive styli the whole experience was reduced to a sort of childrens' toy impression of an active digitiser. Frankly, horrible.

Milano were kind enough to send me one of their stylii, the one with the angled tip, which I basically berated for being horribly inaccurate, and needing a perfect angle to be usable at all. Also, these things are really, really short and perfectly smooth... Lacking the grip and length necessary for anything bar, as mentioned earlier, a piece of chalk or a crayon. Hopefully the iPad will push some serious development in this area.

The second stylus from Milano is a little better, the rounded tip affords more flexibility of posture and a greater accuracy, but still isn't exactly comfortable.

I think the onus is on Apple to squeeze an active digitiser into the iPad. I am sure we'd all agree that such a combination is the holy grail of input.

niter
Jun 12, 2010, 08:29 AM
I didn't know there was such a big crossover between people interested in the iPad and those who still practice the quaint art of handwriting

Nothing beats the speed of pen when drawing chemical structures..... :p

Thanks for the suggestions!

zzzzzzzzz
Jun 12, 2010, 03:42 PM
according to ten one design's website, their new ipad gear (which, i assume, includes the new stylus they've been talking about) drops within the week.

if the new one turns out not to be better than the sketch, i think i'll just cave and get the sketch.

Duke10020421
Jun 14, 2010, 05:37 AM
I bought a pogo so i could use my iPad for taking meeting notes. Didn't feel natural with the round tip. Bought a Pendel stylus (www.pendel.com.au (http://www.pendel.com.au)) which has a point and easy to write with. It's thicker than the pogo but very good to write with.

Treebark
Jun 14, 2010, 09:13 AM
...who still practice the quaint art of handwriting.

.....was reduced to a sort of childrens' toy impression of an active digitiser. Frankly, horrible.

.....I basically berated for being horribly inaccurate,

I think the onus is on Apple to squeeze an active digitiser into the iPad. I am sure we'd all agree that such a combination is the holy grail of input.

Maybe you just like flowery prose? If not, I sure hope you don't have others judge you as you have the products and company above!!! :eek:

On the active digitizer comment, I disagree it is the holy grail. I have used several over the years. Maybe for precise input for an artist or somebody doing technical work, but for the masses (or at least people who just want a simple input system without requiring additional objects that can be lost) something that allows the finger to manipulate the touch screen is preferable imo. Do I wish I had near pixel perfect accuracy on the iPad? Sure. Would I give up touch input with a finger for that accuracy? Absolutely not.

As for palm rejection, while it worked great on my last fujitsu tablet, Note Taker HD's creative input method makes it unneeded.

As for a pointy stylus....not sure we will ever see one. The iPad expects a meaty finger. I am sure there is a minimum size that will register as a finger, but that size is likely larger than a point. Here's hoping though (and that it includes a pen as well as stylus tip...might as well make it a pressurized Fisher space pen refill to boot :D)

lotusindigo
Jun 14, 2010, 01:46 PM
according to ten one design's website, their new ipad gear (which, i assume, includes the new stylus they've been talking about) drops within the week.

if the new one turns out not to be better than the sketch, i think i'll just cave and get the sketch.

They had better be honest this time. They kept saying that the new stuff would be out by the end of the month... for the past two months. I'm waiting.

darshie76
Jun 14, 2010, 03:54 PM
Try this, it comes with different tips including a fine tip, check the pictures on this link:

http://www.amazon.com/iClooly-Multi-Touch-Pen-iPad-Version/dp/B0032J1NM0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1271629657&sr=8-1


I Have this one, and it is great for painting apps, or other apps where you have no problems to use a brush; but the tip is very soft, so if you use it too lightly it won't work well to write; and if you use too much pressure the tip act like a brush, opening up.

Still don't see a solution to get a nice slim tip that is also able to work on both iphone and ipad.....if we look at the touch technology; it is optimized for small screens and big fingers; while with the ipad, the extra screen estate is not used proportionally; you can be more precise due the bigger screen, but if it is not implemented there is not too much to do.

I still use my paper pad for serious notes handwritten; or even my old palm zire; to take notes typing i use the BT keyboard and the ipad

Treebark
Jun 14, 2010, 05:07 PM
I bought a pogo so i could use my iPad for taking meeting notes. Didn't feel natural with the round tip. Bought a Pendel stylus (www.pendel.com.au (http://www.pendel.com.au)) which has a point and easy to write with. It's thicker than the pogo but very good to write with.

So on the Pendel you write with the pointy end, which I am guessing looks like 1-2mm (1/16th of an inch) in diameter and not the eraser looking end that looks more like 5mm (1/4 of an inch) in diameter? Just wanted to be sure. Can you use both top and bottom? It is hard to tell form just the photo on their site. I know it shows the pointy end towards the iPad, but its just a photo and I assume not to scale, otherwise that Pendel dwarfs the iPad!!!

Is the tip holding up well? Wish the part you hold onto wasn't so thick, but hey, that point looks nice!

illy
Jun 15, 2010, 04:38 AM
So on the Pendel you write with the pointy end, which I am guessing looks like 1-2mm (1/16th of an inch) in diameter and not the eraser looking end that looks more like 5mm (1/4 of an inch) in diameter? Just wanted to be sure. Can you use both top and bottom? It is hard to tell form just the photo on their site. I know it shows the pointy end towards the iPad, but its just a photo and I assume not to scale, otherwise that Pendel dwarfs the iPad!!!

Is the tip holding up well? Wish the part you hold onto wasn't so thick, but hey, that point looks nice!

Ordered the Pendel last night, this morning received and email from Paypal informing me that the merchant was sending me a full refund. The excuse being "Due to extremely high demand for product, our manufacturer has asked us to stop processing orders indefinitely. A full refund will be issued"
Also checked out the Ten One site, seems we've all been waiting for a new designed case and clip for the pogo sketch and NOT in fact for a better designed Pogo....or am I mistaken?:eek: http://tenonedesign.com/particle

MazaGRANDEman
Jun 16, 2010, 03:13 PM
Ordered the Pendel last night, this morning received and email from Paypal informing me that the merchant was sending me a full refund. The excuse being "Due to extremely high demand for product, our manufacturer has asked us to stop processing orders indefinitely. A full refund will be issued"
Also checked out the Ten One site, seems we've all been waiting for a new designed case and clip for the pogo sketch and NOT in fact for a better designed Pogo....or am I mistaken?:eek: http://tenonedesign.com/particle

You're not mistaken. I was also waiting for a new better Pogo stylus and I'm very disappointed by this release. I have the old pogo and it doesn't work properly anymore, I have to press it so much that the metal part touches the screen at times and scratches it. Not good. :mad:

I'm in need of a better one and that Pendel one looked good enough. Too bad they're not selling them anymore. :(

MadDog31
Jun 16, 2010, 11:08 PM
Pogo emailed me and said that they had new stuff coming at the end of the summer...

I got a Sketch in the meantime.

dkhenkin
Jun 17, 2010, 11:06 AM
In the same boat. Got the sketch, waiting for the new and hopefully better stuff from Pogo.

wodeh
Jun 17, 2010, 06:22 PM
Maybe you just like flowery prose? If not, I sure hope you don't have others judge you as you have the products and company above!!! :eek:

I love flowery prose, I couldn't pretend to be a writer without it! Ha! I don't think I could emphasize enough just how horrible using the angled tip capacitive stylus was, though.

I certainly wouldn't want an active digitiser added to the iPad at the cost of the Capacitive multi-touch input. However, active digitisers have a "range" which is far greater than that of a multi-touch panel.

If you've ever used a graphics tablet you'll know what I mean, you can hover the stylus over the tablet without actually touching the surface to move the mouse cursor around. What this would mean in terms of the iPad is that an active digitiser layer could be squeezed behind the capacitive input layer, screen and glass whilst still being, in theory, functional.

It's never going to happen, but it's also irrefutably the holy grail of input. To have an iPad switch into active-only input when it senses a pen hovering over or touching its surface would be glorious, and fantastic for all sorts of artsy fartsy endeavours. A pen-sized, pen-shaped, pressure and tilt sensitive ... err.. pen... to use on the iPad would be wonderful. Not to mention that (at least in the world of Wacom) active digitiser input devices use an inductive power system, so no batteries to mess about with either.

I'm definitely going to have to get my hands on some more styli.

MadDog31
Jun 18, 2010, 12:13 PM
Here's what TenOne sent me a little while ago in an e-mail response, so perhaps there is something to look forward to still:

Thanks for writing in. Your memory has not failed you! We working on developing even greater things for iPad. While we do not have any specific dates, we are certainly hoping to have something announced by the end of the summer!

Thanks again for writing in and please feel free to contact me with any further questions.

Regards,
Dave Skinner

zzzzzzzzz
Jun 20, 2010, 04:13 PM
Here's what TenOne sent me a little while ago in an e-mail response, so perhaps there is something to look forward to still:

"by the end of the summer." Ugh. I think I'll just cave and get the Sketch. Am I right that the Sketch is so far considered imperfect, but the best of what is available? Does anyone really hate it?

klio
Jun 21, 2010, 01:45 PM
I just received a Dagi stylus, bought on eBay, shipped directly from Taiwan. It may not look "pointy," but it works as if it is.

You sort of have to ignore the red dot that is supposed to indicate where the "tip" of the pen is--at least in the drawing app I tried it out in (ArtStudio)--but the sensory feedback is so much better than with the Pogo Sketch, it's very easy to treat it just like a regular pencil or pen. So, the dot may be off, but the "feel" of where the pen is placed feels exactly right. It also worked better for me with just dragging and tapping. I didn't have to put extra pressure on it like with the Pogo Sketch, which made my hand tired. It was smooth and responsive. I think they've just come out with one that is supposed to be even more responsive in drawing apps, but I have no complaints with this one. I think I may love it. But I'll take it out on a few more dates first.

scarletriddle33
Jun 22, 2010, 12:16 AM
Looked at Pendel's website today... (www.pendel.com.au (http://www.pendel.com.au))

1. A new product titled "Pendel 2" was out that looked almost exactly like the pogo sketch.
2. The old one is out of stock
3. Now their website is down........:eek:

I've tried everything to get it back up but it's just not my problem to fix...
Edit: their website came back up literally right after I posted this. Aren't I dumb :P

And how come when I google "Pendel stylus" almost nothing but this forum thread comes up...?:confused:

Bytor65
Jun 22, 2010, 08:00 AM
Looked at Pendel's website today... (www.pendel.com.au (http://www.pendel.com.au))

And how come when I google "Pendel stylus" almost nothing but this forum thread comes up...?:confused:

I think Duke10020421 is a marketing plant(or the owner of the whole run from a basement operation) for Pendel. I doubt the initial stylus ever existed, and it is running a bait and switch.

I think people need to come to terms with the fact that a pointed stylus isn't technically feasible for a capacitive screen.

klio
Jun 22, 2010, 08:02 AM
"by the end of the summer." Ugh. I think I'll just cave and get the Sketch. Am I right that the Sketch is so far considered imperfect, but the best of what is available? Does anyone really hate it?
After using the Pogo Sketch a few times, I started to like it, and I think I could get pretty good with using it for drawing and writing. Downsides are that I find I have to press kind of hard, which makes it more likely i need to rest my hand on the screen (I was using a glove with three fingers cut out), and I'm not confident the tip is always going to recover its shape after a day spent smushing and deforming it. But I liked it better than fingerpainting.

Now with the Dagi, I find it much easier to get accurate line placement and to write even small text. I like it much more than the Pogo Sketch. It's a longer pen, feels heftier, and the lighter touch on the screen means i haven't needed to pull out that glove. I've seen no signs of the harder tip scratching anything.

But if I hadn't bitten the bullet and ordered a bunch of Dagis, I would probably have kept happily using the Pogo.

zzzzzzzzz
Jun 22, 2010, 03:37 PM
Thanks for the advice, Kilo. Ordered the Dagi.

Treebark
Jun 25, 2010, 10:01 AM
Boxwave has 7 iphone 4 cases free for today (I think?) so I ordered one and their marketing scheme worked because I also ordered they capacitive stylus that has a writing pen on the other end, something I have been REALLY wanting. Not pointy, but at least it is 1/3 the way there for my needs (1/3 a writing pen, 2/3 that writing pen being a Fisher space pen refill, 3/3 the capacitive end being pointy).

http://www.boxwave.com/products/capacitivestyra/index.htm

touchmonkey
Jun 27, 2010, 03:18 PM
Best stylus ever (with my mod):
I have the Pogo (good, but sticky).
I've used these since the touch days
http://cgi.ebay.com/3X-STYLUS-PEN-APPLE-iPHONE-3GS-4-iPOD-TOUCH-3G-iPAD-/140419047946?cmd=ViewItem&pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item20b1a0a20a#ht_2434wt_1137

http://www.cmentinc.com/ebay-images/zy/g/1181-1182-1183.jpg

Problem was they conduct very well, but have a soft rubbery tip that sticks.
Mod: I stretch a small piece of nylon (like panty hose stuff), and tape it down (on the barrel)....sensitivity is great....slides like ice....not that pretty, but I'm working on that too...
I prefer working with a stylus.....precise, and no fingerprints....if you don't: don't yell at me...
BTW they're cheap as hell

scarletriddle33
Jun 27, 2010, 07:56 PM
Recently in this thread some discussion about the Pendel an it's legitimacy. I wrote to pendel about a few issues. Below is the conversation for your reference.

Email:
Hi Josh,
I wanted to try and clear up some confusions I had about the Pendel stylus. *I usually try to research these kinds of things myself, but Google and Bing showed next to nothing on the Pendel. *Your website was no where to be found in the search results. *Any idea why that might be? *Secondly, I can't seem to find out whether or not the Pendel 1's fine tip is compatible with the capacitive touch screens of the iPhone or if it's only made for resistive touch screens. *Thirdly, seeing that the Pendel 2 looks almost exactly like the Pogo Sketch, I'm not sure if it would be a good tool for precise handwriting to take notes with. *Lastly, would you mind explaining what the counter is in the top right of the website? *It moves too fast to be days or months so I wasn't sure what it was counting, exactly. *Thanks so much for your help. *Can't wait to hear back from you.

Reply:
Thank you for your note.

Your feedback on our website listing on Bing/Google is important to us. On launching our website we advertised using a very small campaign on Google and Facebook. The response was well beyond what we could sustain in orders. We havent completed any forms of SEO, nor have we been in touch with tech bloggers. I hope this answers your question.

The Pendel 1 does work on a capacitive type screen, the soft tip means it performs poorly on resistive surfaces. Our last manufactured batch saw a very high failure rate of the stylus tip, where it would break of under low stress. We are working hard to fix this, but unfortunately I don't have a date to provide you.

Yes, the Pendel 2 is similar to the Pogo in its size. The key point of difference is the conductive foam and aluminum used in the Pendel. It provides very good conductive response without damaging the screen. It is a proven design that performs well.

Some customers have commented on the accuracy of a stylus for taking notes on a conductive style screen. Often good note taking software which enables line smoothing and palm rest support provides good results for note taking. I use Penultimate (iPad) with my Pendel.

The counter links to our inventory system, its not perfect, but provides an indiction when stock is replenished and units remaining. I have changed the wording on the site based on your feedback. Thank you.

Regards,
Josh*

SnowDX
Jul 1, 2010, 12:48 AM
Which DAGI model are people buying? They seem to have more than one that says it works with the iPad and their web site isn't clear as to the differences.

shadowness
Jul 1, 2010, 03:28 AM
Then pendel 1 type as shown in the image in their website www.pendel.com.au looks the same as this one in dealextreme http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.37410

dealextreme image:
http://www.dealextreme.com/productimages/sku_37410_1.jpg

Pendel image:
http://web.me.com/guestj/pendel/Pendel_files/pendel-big2.jpg

and the reviews at dealextreme are bad too!

scarletriddle33
Jul 2, 2010, 04:21 PM
:/ I was afraid of that...

klio
Jul 3, 2010, 09:05 PM
Which DAGI model are people buying? They seem to have more than one that says it works with the iPad and their web site isn't clear as to the differences.
I one I bought is the P005 (as far as I can tell).

The P501 on the Dagi website, which is described as being the new-and-approved version, wasn't listed by anyone on eBay. The packaging doesn't have a model number, and the two pens look exactly alike on the website.

Whether I use the Dagi or the Pogo depends on which one I happen to pick up. I'm still concerned about wear and tear on the Pogo, but so far it's in one piece and functional after some intensive use.

ldenning
Jul 4, 2010, 10:03 AM
Could a Palm stylus work well with iPad?

zzzzzzzzz
Jul 5, 2010, 05:46 PM
I just got my Dagi. Isn't anyone concerned about the tip scratching the iPad screen?

Treebark
Jul 6, 2010, 08:59 AM
Could a Palm stylus work well with iPad?

No, it doesn't conduct. Seems only styli with conductive foam or your finger seem to work.

jmor
Jul 6, 2010, 10:22 PM
We need a good stylus, if only apple would let apps access the info needed for pressure sensitive writing/drawing.

klio
Jul 7, 2010, 07:26 AM
I just got my Dagi. Isn't anyone concerned about the tip scratching the iPad screen?
The first review I read, by someone who does heavy-duty drawing, reported no problems with scratching. I was a little worried when I first got my Dagi because it does seem like a hard tip, but I've had no problems. The website claims the hardness of the tip is sufficiently below the hardness of the scratch-resistant iPad screen, fwiw.

Whether I use the Dagi or the Pogo still just depends on which one I pick up. The Pogo seems to be getting easier to use as the tip squashes into the shape of my drawing/writing style, but there are times when it's so smushed to one side I'm worried the metal tube is going to scrape the screen.

I haven't tried any other stylus, but I'm very happy with what I have. My drawing with either stylus looks just like my drawing with a regular pen now.

ETA: There's a thread about Pogo-manufacturer Ten One demonstrating pressure sensitivity. I'll have to find it and post the link later--am on the go right now.

edited for contradicting typo.

SnowDX
Jul 7, 2010, 10:48 AM
Which DAGI model are people buying? They seem to have more than one that says it works with the iPad and their web site isn't clear as to the differences.Anyone with a DAGI care to respond? Still don't know which one to buy or where to get it.

Buzzsaw
Jul 7, 2010, 01:51 PM
I just ordered a Dagi stylus from
http://www.dagi.com.tw/front/bin/home.phtml

I'm hoping this is where others have ordered their styli from! $33 overall to get it to the UK...I better be able to write well on this thing! :rolleyes:

klio
Jul 7, 2010, 04:04 PM
Thread about Ten One demo of pressure sensitivity:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=958268

Anyone with a DAGI care to respond? Still don't know which one to buy or where to get it.
See #132 above.

Purchased mine on eBay for about $10/stylus including shipping to US, less expensive than buying one at a time because I could go in on a pack of 5. I'm keeping two so I'll have a spare in case of misadventure.

SnowDX
Jul 7, 2010, 10:23 PM
See #132 above.Geez, I missed that post. Thanks!

Dsr1205
Jul 8, 2010, 01:03 PM
was there ever a stylus that actually worked well for handwriting notes?

klio
Jul 8, 2010, 02:04 PM
was there ever a stylus that actually worked well for handwriting notes?

This is what my handwriting looks like (http://spqrblues.com/comics/20100707.png) using the Pogo Sketch. (Art is still a little wonky looking, but improving with practice.) Of course, this writing was done in a drawing app, not a note-taking app, and I have no experience with any of the apps specifically for handwriting.

It took me about five of these comic strips to start finding it easy to write. Now it feels very natural, and the Pogo doesn't feel like it's "sticking" on the screen. I haven't gotten the hang of writing with the Dagi, which I've only used for drawing.

I'd have attached just a writing sample instead of the link to a comic, but...is there any way to do that from an iPad?

ToutSuite
Jul 9, 2010, 09:33 AM
This (http://ostylus.com/images.html) looks pretty interesting, taking some of the Dagi "see through" idea but letting you hold the stylus at any angle. No pricing or availability info yet. I've written them and can report back here when I get a reply.

EDIT: I talked to the inventor this morning. He's a jeweler who basically created the example on his site himself. He's tested it with some friends with good results. The big issue now is manufacturing. He's planning on doing a very small run himself initially (he estimated a couple dozen), then gauge reaction/reviews and see if it make sense to contract with a manufacturer. Obviously, the cost for the handmade ones will be significantly higher than the Pogo/Dagi pricepoint, but if he does go into a partnership with a manufacturer subsequently, it will bring the costs down significantly.

He's had quite a bit of interest as his stylus was featured on Engadget, so he's just compiling a waiting list based on emails received and will go down that list as he makes the initial batch.

Zodiak
Jul 9, 2010, 12:57 PM
This (http://ostylus.com/images.html) looks pretty interesting, taking some of the Dagi "see through" idea but letting you hold the stylus at any angle. No pricing or availability info yet. I've written them and can report back here when I get a reply.

EDIT: I talked to the inventor this morning. He's a jeweler who basically created the example on his site himself. He's tested it with some friends with good results. The big issue now is manufacturing. He's planning on doing a very small run himself initially (he estimated a couple dozen), then gauge reaction/reviews and see if it make sense to contract with a manufacturer. Obviously, the cost for the handmade ones will be significantly higher than the Pogo/Dagi pricepoint, but if he does go into a partnership with a manufacturer subsequently, it will bring the costs down significantly.

He's had quite a bit of interest as his stylus was featured on Engadget, so he's just compiling a waiting list based on emails received and will go down that list as he makes the initial batch.

The Dagi allows you to write at an angle, at least some of the models do from what I have seen.

Your link is interesting yet it doesnt look very professional and you could probably make one from the looks of it. What I like from what I have seen from the Dagi though is that although the drawing surfage is transparent to allow you to see, it has a tiny centered dot much like a crosshair to allow you to focus on and improve on precision.

ToutSuite
Jul 9, 2010, 01:02 PM
Well, I've already ordered the Dagi P501 as I thought it was the best of the ones currently available. If the ostylus becomes available, I'll try to do a comparison of the two.

Buzzsaw
Jul 9, 2010, 01:07 PM
Well, I've already ordered the Dagi P501 as I thought it was the best of the ones currently available. If the ostylus becomes available, I'll try to do a comparison of the two.

Ditto. According to Dagi, mine shipped today. I'm looking forward to getting it - and hopefully to get some hand-writing practice in before the start of university!

klio
Jul 9, 2010, 01:11 PM
This (http://ostylus.com/images.html) looks pretty interesting, taking some of the Dagi "see through" idea but letting you hold the stylus at any angle.
Interesting. And looks even odder than the Dagi. I'll have to remember to check that one out again after he's developed it a bit further.

I haven't experienced any problems with a variety of angles of use with the Dagi, lefty or righty--although there are limitations and the main area of the disk lifts too far off the screen at more extreme angles, so it's more "pen" than "brush." I do find that, depending on how fine a brush you're using and in which app, the red dot might not be precisely at the "pen tip" (a millimeter off a 2px fine line, say), but it's easy to adjust mentally/visually for it. Some angles and directions seem to make the dot be more accurate, which is probable all about parallax....

applesupergeek
Jul 11, 2010, 11:25 AM
What about handwriting recognition guys, any news not that?

klio
Jul 11, 2010, 05:47 PM
What about handwriting recognition guys, any news not that?
I file that under "600-pound gorilla, in room." Although there seem to be some apps that claim to do it, I haven't read any reviews. It's not important for my needs, so I have the luxury of shrugging it off, but I do acknowledge that it matters to other people.

There's a Newton on my bookshelf. I'm afraid to look at it... might be like opening a cursed mummy sarcophagus...

applesupergeek
Jul 11, 2010, 07:41 PM
Haha true and funny. Well the stevster has claimed that apple still own the best handwritting recognition on the globe but you can't write as fast as you type. I winder if they are ever going to use it, because people, well, they might just prefer to write for a change. I can't believe we ve gone so far in voice recognition, with no training ( I was just using a cheap iPad recorder app that transcribes the message into text for email) and handwriting isn't there yet on apple products.

That said it's not that big a deal to me either although I would love to be able to jot down some notes and have them transcribed on the spot.

xraytech
Jul 11, 2010, 11:17 PM
I just made two for about $5

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=965431

saberahul
Jul 13, 2010, 08:02 PM
Has anyone used the Pogo one as shown in the 1st picture? How do you like it and is it worth the price tag? Also, they ship a case now too with the pen attached to the side - anyone bought this yet? How do you like it?

rirawin
Jul 14, 2010, 04:10 AM
So what is the best stylus for actualy drawing?, tried the Dagi but not as great as everyone says and thats meant to be better than the pogo sketch?. Anyone help please.

Buzzsaw
Jul 14, 2010, 06:26 AM
Alright, I just got my Dagi. First impressions from using it with Penultimate and Note-Taker HD are pretty disappointing. I guess I am just expecting to be able to write like I can with pen and paper, and obviously that is impossible.

I'm hoping that I improve with some practice...but to be honest I think I'd be better off practicing to type quicker on the iPad keyboard. :(

klio
Jul 14, 2010, 08:10 AM
Alright, I just got my Dagi. First impressions from using it with Penultimate and Note-Taker HD are pretty disappointing. I guess I am just expecting to be able to write like I can with pen and paper, and obviously that is impossible.

I'm hoping that I improve with some practice...but to be honest I think I'd be better off practicing to type quicker on the iPad keyboard. :(
With both Dagi and Pogo it took me about four projects (comic strips) to become very comfortable and natural using them.

I praised the Dagi highly when I first got it, so I feel responsible for flogging it here. As I used the Pogo enough to smash its tip into shape, I started liking it more. But sometimes it depends on the app.

I'd encourage you to work with the Dagi for a week or so before deciding whether or not it suits your needs. I really hope it does, since you already have one. I do tend to use the Dagi for drawing and Pogo for lettering now that I've had both for a while.

So what is the best stylus for actualy drawing?, tried the Dagi but not as great as everyone says and thats meant to be better than the pogo sketch?. Anyone help please.
Here's my writing and drawing sample again (I mostly just do line art) switching off between the two pens:

http://spqrblues.com/comics/20100707.png

I dunno what to say at this point other than that it appears to be a very individual thing. Both pens suit my style. Some people swear by fingerpainting. I haven't seen any reviews or vids demonstrating any pens other than these two for drawing on the iPad.

rirawin
Jul 14, 2010, 08:24 AM
Those samples are great, I like to stick to the Dagi but I'm not sure. I was hoping for a wacom feel pen, can anyone tell me if there's anything in the pipeline?.

Buzzsaw
Jul 14, 2010, 08:43 AM
With both Dagi and Pogo it took me about four projects (comic strips) to become very comfortable and natural using them.

I praised the Dagi highly when I first got it, so I feel responsible for flogging it here. As I used the Pogo enough to smash its tip into shape, I started liking it more. But sometimes it depends on the app.

I'd encourage you to work with the Dagi for a week or so before deciding whether or not it suits your needs. I really hope it does, since you already have one. I do tend to use the Dagi for drawing and Pogo for lettering now that I've had both for a while.

Thanks for your reply, I sure will keep at it now that I have it. I might get something like to Sketchbook Pro to do some exercises with every day.

Unfortunately I think that being left-handed doesn't exactly help my cause, but I should stop using that excuse. :p

amy1344
Jul 24, 2010, 01:14 PM
I've been using Ghostwriter Notes. It works pretty good for me during meetings. the only app out there that lets me take handwritten notes with small letters

xraytech
Jul 24, 2010, 01:55 PM
Just got my Boxwave stylus...

http://www.boxwave.com/products/universalcapacitivestylusindex.htm

... and not having used other styli except my "Macgyver Stylus"...

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=965431&highlight=made+own+stylus

... the is Boxwave stylus is really nice.

dhoff01
Jul 29, 2010, 05:01 PM
www.beststylus.com

doodude
Jul 29, 2010, 05:16 PM
This one (http://www.wirelessaccessories.com/p-9977-apple-iphone-3g-stylus-pen-silver.aspx) is kind of pointy, if you hold it on its side. But I don't think that it would be best for notes. I'm sure that we will see a pointy, pen-like stylus and notes app for the iPad in no time!

I purchased a 6 pack of these type & they are not iPad friendly.

You have to hold the stylus in just such a way that the flat surface makes enough contact to work at all. If you just use the tip or the sides there isnt enough conductivity.

Ive got 4 left & to put it succinctly, they suck!

TraceyS/FL
Jul 29, 2010, 05:58 PM
Just got my Boxwave stylus...

http://www.boxwave.com/products/universalcapacitivestylusindex.htm

... and not having used other styli except my "Macgyver Stylus"...

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=965431&highlight=made+own+stylus

... the is Boxwave stylus is really nice.

Oh gee, i want one of their "mini" ones! Lol! It sticks in my headphone jack!

klio
Jul 31, 2010, 09:44 AM
Thanks for your reply, I sure will keep at it now that I have it. I might get something like to Sketchbook Pro to do some exercises with every day.

Unfortunately I think that being left-handed doesn't exactly help my cause, but I should stop using that excuse. :p
Any update/success? It's been about two weeks since I've had a chance to do any drawing at all, and I'm finding that I can barely get the Dagi to draw (or write) now. I'm baffled. But maybe I just need to "get back into it."

The Pogo is behaving itself.

ETA: on further experimentation, it's as if the body of the Dagi has stopped conducting from my hand down to the part that contacts the screen. If I lay a finger on the actual "nib," it works fine and smoothly, with very light pressure. Am I going nuts?

Cagle
Jul 31, 2010, 11:29 PM
Here's my writing and drawing sample again (I mostly just do line art) switching off between the two pens:

http://spqrblues.com/comics/20100707.png



how on gods earth did you draw that? ok, more to the point, which app did you use? :eek:

clovis112
Aug 1, 2010, 05:26 AM
Are any of these available at any local apple store?

dhoff01
Aug 2, 2010, 08:33 AM
Any update/success? It's been about two weeks since I've had a chance to do any drawing at all, and I'm finding that I can barely get the Dagi to draw (or write) now. I'm baffled. But maybe I just need to "get back into it."

The Pogo is behaving itself.

ETA: on further experimentation, it's as if the body of the Dagi has stopped conducting from my hand down to the part that contacts the screen. If I lay a finger on the actual "nib," it works fine and smoothly, with very light pressure. Am I going nuts?

I had the same problem. I eventually just threw it away. I was using the pogo but now I'm using the boxwave. I also just ordered one from stylus-r-us. We'll see...

dhoff01
Aug 2, 2010, 08:36 AM
Are any of these available at any local apple store?

You can get the pogo at apple stores. The rest are on-line.

klio
Aug 2, 2010, 08:43 AM
how on gods earth did you draw that? ok, more to the point, which app did you use? :eek:
I was drawing a lot using ArtStudio, but that was drawn mainly in Brushes. I sketched the full thing in ArtStudio, then imported it into Brushes and drew a set of three panels at a size about the width of the iPad, which is a little larger than I'd draw if I were doing it on paper. I use Brushes solely because it has the option of creating a high-resolution output with some extra, laptop-based software. Otherwise, for line drawing I don't find it the best app of the main choices; it's very limited in how you can customise the brushes. But I want to be able to have a high-quality version of the art for a possible hard copy later, so until one of the other drawing apps offers a high-res option, I'm just getting used to working in Brushes. Brushes does seem to work better than ArtStudio for being able to magnify the art a little to work on details. Sketchbook Pro also seems to be good for zooming in on things.

You can get the pogo at apple stores. The rest are on-line.
And usually you have to ask for them to bring one out, as they don't keep them on display.

I had the same problem. I eventually just threw it away. I was using the pogo but now I'm using the boxwave. I also just ordered one from stylus-r-us. We'll see...
Your Dagi worked, then it stopped? Do you know what would cause this? I have two other Dagis still in their boxes (buying in bulk seemed more cost-effective at the time--$10 each including shipping), but I haven't had time to tried them yet to see if they work fresh out of the box.

Are you using the Boxwave for writing or for drawing?

dhoff01
Aug 2, 2010, 09:42 AM
Yep- it literally just stopped working exactly as you described it. I have no idea why. I used it for writing (Penultimate), and it was great while it worked. But I won't be buying it again.

klio
Aug 2, 2010, 03:46 PM
Yep- it literally just stopped working exactly as you described it. I have no idea why. I used it for writing (Penultimate), and it was great while it worked. But I won't be buying it again.
I would love to find out the science behind what causes that. I stored my Dagi in the zippered leather case with my iPad, next to the Pogo, which is fine. Maybe I'll learn something with a little googling.

xraytech
Aug 2, 2010, 06:03 PM
Alright, I just got my Dagi. First impressions from using it with Penultimate and Note-Taker HD are pretty disappointing. I guess I am just expecting to be able to write like I can with pen and paper, and obviously that is impossible.

I'm hoping that I improve with some practice...but to be honest I think I'd be better off practicing to type quicker on the iPad keyboard. :(

I've seen pics of the Dagi. Don't you have to hold it at specific angle to work?

Buzzsaw
Aug 3, 2010, 07:44 AM
Any update/success? It's been about two weeks since I've had a chance to do any drawing at all, and I'm finding that I can barely get the Dagi to draw (or write) now. I'm baffled. But maybe I just need to "get back into it."

The Pogo is behaving itself.

ETA: on further experimentation, it's as if the body of the Dagi has stopped conducting from my hand down to the part that contacts the screen. If I lay a finger on the actual "nib," it works fine and smoothly, with very light pressure. Am I going nuts?

Unfortunately I have been very busy lately and haven't been practicing much with the Dagi. I wonder if mine will suddenly stop working after a while like yours though!

And to answer another question, yes you have to use the Dagi at the specific angle so that the it works.

dmultimediab
Aug 18, 2010, 10:56 PM
brvsh.com (http://brvsh.com)

funnyguyMI
Aug 20, 2010, 08:25 AM
dhoff01: How is that stylus from stylus-R-us working?

JayMysterio
Aug 20, 2010, 09:13 PM
I just picked up a Targus Stylus @ Best Buy, and have been liking it so far.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Targus+-+Stylus+for+Apple%26%23174%3B+iPad%26%23153%3B/1151337.p?id=1218226504600&skuId=1151337&st=targus%20stylus&cp=1&lp=1

alexcf
Aug 28, 2010, 02:05 AM
Best Buy are sold out everywhere for the Griffin/Targus one?! How did you manage to get one? They're not even available in the UK (where I am). :(

Built
Aug 28, 2010, 03:31 AM
Best Buy are sold out everywhere for the Griffin/Targus one?! How did you manage to get one? They're not even available in the UK (where I am). :(

I ordered two online from Best Buy and they arrived within a couple of days. I also saw several in stock at the Best Buy near my house just a few days ago. I can attest to the fact that the Targus are decent options for those looking for a good iPad stylus.

ImaVeggie
Aug 28, 2010, 06:32 AM
I bought a Targus Stylus at a local Best Buy yesterday and love it so far. I got it to handwrite notes and it works well. I'm using it a lot for general input and it's keeping my screen cleaner. Yay !!!

Webnasty
Aug 29, 2010, 06:20 PM
I just ran out and got the last Targus stylus at my Best Buy. I think it is great, given the limitations of a rounded tip. I got a Pogo a while ago, but returned it the next day. I think this is way superior. You don't have to press down to write. You can just write naturally and it works just fine.

dhoff01
Aug 30, 2010, 03:24 PM
dhoff01: How is that stylus from stylus-R-us working?

I like it. It's kind of a cross between the Boxwave/Targus and the Pogo. I hated the size of the pogo sketch and found the tip to be way too soft. The boxwave was good but very fatiguing to use since the rubber tip would drag a bit when taking extensive notes (I use Penultimate as my main note taking app). The stylus-R-us uses a felt-like tip that gives zero drag, but also requires no pressure to use. Right now it's my 'go to' stylus. I ordered the 6 inch, but I think the 5 inch would be perfect. One caveat - it works good, but not great, when using a protective film. No real problems with Penultimate, but I simply can't use it with my Notetaking HD app. But it works ridiculously well with my iphone which (presently) has no screen protector.

Hope that helps..

smithjc55
Aug 30, 2010, 04:20 PM
I was trying different things for a stylus with no success. Then I picked up a lemon and that worked fine. It was a lemon with a bit of a pimple at one end. Any idea why this works?

gunnarliden
Sep 17, 2010, 08:19 AM
I just got the Targus Stylus last night at Best Buy, and first impressions are that it is really good. writes smooth and has a little thickness to the pen so it actually feels like a real pen

WolfKeeper
Sep 17, 2010, 10:40 AM
Got my Boxwave stylus today from Amazon, and it's great. Better response than the Pogo, definately has a more solid feel when tapping to select/press buttons/etc. Also comes with a plug to secure it via a small lanyard that's inserted into the headphone port.

MonkeyClaw
Sep 17, 2010, 11:59 AM
I'm waiting on my preproduction oStylus, should be here within a few weeks, I think this might be the jackpot for styluses

kristiaan.rm
Sep 25, 2010, 01:35 AM
I made my own. Not the best, but works pretty good. FREE. Instead of the sponge tip, you could use the black foam memory chips get put on when they ship.

"How to make your iPad Stylus CHEAPLY" (4 diagrams with directions)

See here:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3980768/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3980779/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3980791/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3980800/

I'm sure someone can improve in this. But the body works great!

GaresTaylan
Sep 26, 2010, 09:15 PM
I'm waiting on my preproduction oStylus, should be here within a few weeks, I think this might be the jackpot for styluses

I was waiting forever on this too - until the price was announced. $82 after shipping is ridiculous.

xraytech
Sep 28, 2010, 10:13 AM
I made my own. Not the best, but works pretty good. FREE. Instead of the sponge tip, you could use the black foam memory chips get put on when they ship.

"How to make your iPad Stylus CHEAPLY" (4 diagrams with directions)

See here:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3980768/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3980779/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3980791/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3980800/

I'm sure someone can improve in this. But the body works great!

Before purchasing my BoxWave Stylus, I also Macgyvered up my own stylus.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=965431&highlight=

iusestyli
Sep 28, 2010, 11:50 AM
New Dagi styli available in the US.

http://www.iusestyli.com/products/index.php

Beau10
Sep 28, 2010, 03:30 PM
Anyone try an AluPen? There's a handful of reviews out there but they're light on comparisons to other options.

http://www.xtand.net/alupen.html

ksmith80209
Sep 28, 2010, 04:21 PM
Got my Boxwave stylus today from Amazon, and it's great. Better response than the Pogo, definately has a more solid feel when tapping to select/press buttons/etc. Also comes with a plug to secure it via a small lanyard that's inserted into the headphone port.

+1 - just got mine as well and it's fantastic.

JayMysterio
Sep 28, 2010, 08:33 PM
Interestingly enough, my local Best Buy finally got in some more Targus stylus in. I guess the big sellout of stylus did not go unnoticed. When I purchased my stylus last, it was $15.

Now the Targus stylus goes for $17.99...
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Targus+-+Stylus+for+Apple%26%23174%3B+iPad%26%23153%3B/1151337.p?skuId=1151337&ky=1whxm51gbOgORrn6M8JOUlLjDtR0yY7Rx&cmp=RMX&id=1218226504600

What's interesting is that Targus says the stylus still costs $14.99
http://www.targus.com/us/product_details.aspx?sku=AMM01US

A little gouging on BB's part? I really do enjoy the stylus, the Dagi costs $19.99, so I do think stylus is worth the price. Just unfortunate on BB's part, when they already have a sometimes questionable rep.

Beau10
Oct 4, 2010, 12:31 PM
Have an elago stylus enroute.

http://www.amazon.com/elago-Stylus-Clip-iPhone4-Touch/dp/B003YSKJOW

Unfortunately not much feedback on these out there, but it appears to be in the same vein as the Targus/Griffin/Boxwave, just with a more modern look. Will report back when it shows up.

Unprocessed1
Oct 4, 2010, 05:58 PM
What stylus would you guys recommend for writing?

Griffin looks great, but not many reviews, as does Targus. Pogo is terrible for inking.

dhoff01
Oct 8, 2010, 12:17 PM
What stylus would you guys recommend for writing?

Griffin looks great, but not many reviews, as does Targus. Pogo is terrible for inking.

I use the Camry by Stylus-R-Us. (http://www.beststylus.com/the-illustrator-camry.html). It's pricey, but in my opinion it is head and shoulders the best stylus out there. I would caution tho that it works much better if you're not using a screen protector.

I know everyone here likes the boxwave, but for note taking I find it unusable. Rubber tips grab the screen, making it impossible to be fluid when writing. I didn't realize how much I was fighting my iPad until I switched to the one made by stylus-r-us.

I also liked the Dagi, but it dies on me within a few weeks. Another person posted he had the same problem. As for the pogo, don't waste your time- it's way too small and soft in my opinion.

coolwater
Oct 12, 2010, 06:27 AM
Have an elago stylus enroute.

http://www.amazon.com/elago-Stylus-Clip-iPhone4-Touch/dp/B003YSKJOW



Looks like it may be the best looking iPhone/iPad stylus out there. I've just ordered a Griffin stylus but this elago stylus looks better, and it receives very good reviews.

Beau10
Oct 12, 2010, 10:37 AM
Looks like it may be the best looking iPhone/iPad stylus out there. I've just ordered a Griffin stylus but this elago stylus looks better, and it receives very good reviews.

I got it and like it quite a bit. Only caveat is it's a bit small, measures 4.25" from tip to tip. If the Griffin et al measure say 4.5" (to account for the extra nub at the end on those) it's probably another rebrand of those in a slightly flashier exterior.

spooky2k
Oct 17, 2010, 10:48 AM
I know everyone here likes the boxwave, but for note taking I find it unusable. Rubber tips grab the screen, making it impossible to be fluid when writing. I didn't realize how much I was fighting my iPad until I switched to the one made by stylus-r-us.

Have you actually used the Boxwave? I agree that rubber tips grab the screen but the boxwave glides over it with no resistance at all. Hands down, out of all the stylus' I've tried (and I've tried lots, working in an Apple reseller), it's the best out there.

If you've tried it and don't like it, fine, but your comment throwing it in with the draggy rubber tipped stylus' leads me to believe you've not tried it at all.

dhoff01
Oct 17, 2010, 06:37 PM
Have you actually used the Boxwave? I agree that rubber tips grab the screen but the boxwave glides over it with no resistance at all. Hands down, out of all the stylus' I've tried (and I've tried lots, working in an Apple reseller), it's the best out there.

If you've tried it and don't like it, fine, but your comment throwing it in with the draggy rubber tipped stylus' leads me to believe you've not tried it at all.

I own the boxwave. I bought the version that has a pen on the other side.

spooky2k
Oct 18, 2010, 05:45 AM
I own the boxwave. I bought the version that has a pen on the other side.

So you used a different model and think it's the same? Hmmm...:confused:

dhoff01
Oct 18, 2010, 09:17 AM
So you used a different model and think it's the same? Hmmm...:confused:

This is what I have:

http://www.boxwave.com/products/capacitivestyra/apple-ipad-capacitive-styra_3779.htm

You really think boxwave is spending R&D to create two different rubber tips?

Seriously, I'm not trying to diss on your stylus. I've spent my own $ on all the styluses I've discussed, and I thought it would be useful for others to know that I've found the one form stylus-r-us to be the best. Maybe you should try it and compare for yourself.

On a side note, I'd like to highlight (again) that I do not use a protective screen. This could be a reason why your tip doesn't seem to grab as much. I used an anti-glare screen for awhile and the finish was definitely smoother to my touch.

Again, just my two cents. I don't mind you disagreeing with me, but I'd rather it be on the basis of an actual comparison. That's at least what I based my own comments on.

Best of luck,

David

sracer
Oct 18, 2010, 10:08 AM
Have you actually used the Boxwave? I agree that rubber tips grab the screen but the boxwave glides over it with no resistance at all. Hands down, out of all the stylus' I've tried (and I've tried lots, working in an Apple reseller), it's the best out there.

If you've tried it and don't like it, fine, but your comment throwing it in with the draggy rubber tipped stylus' leads me to believe you've not tried it at all.
I've tried it. The rubber tip drags just like every other rubber tipped stylus I've tried. Using it with any screen protector makes it worse.

spooky2k
Oct 18, 2010, 12:53 PM
You really think boxwave is spending R&D to create two different rubber tips?

Seriously, I'm not trying to diss on your stylus. I've spent my own $ on all the styluses I've discussed, and I thought it would be useful for others to know that I've found the one form stylus-r-us to be the best. Maybe you should try it and compare for yourself.

On a side note, I'd like to highlight (again) that I do not use a protective screen. This could be a reason why your tip doesn't seem to grab as much. I used an anti-glare screen for awhile and the finish was definitely smoother to my touch.

Again, just my two cents. I don't mind you disagreeing with me, but I'd rather it be on the basis of an actual comparison. That's at least what I based my own comments on.

I have based my comment on comparison. I don't understand how you can think this stylus has any drag because it simply doesn't. I know what rubber tipped stylus' (styli?) feel like and this one is HUGELY different, it just glides over the surface. And nope, no screen protector here. Hate the things.

I'd love to try the stylus you recommended and you're right, it'd give me a better idea. Maybe it's mind-blowingly good, but I don't want to spend on that one when the one I have now has zero drag. It's the only reason I picked it up. Maybe they refined the feel of their rubber tips based on feedback between the time you bought yours and I bought mine (I got mine last week). I've no idea how they operate as a company but this thing has no drag.

spooky2k
Oct 18, 2010, 12:56 PM
I've tried it. The rubber tip drags just like every other rubber tipped stylus I've tried. Using it with any screen protector makes it worse.

Hmmm...strange. This one has zero drag. Maybe I got lucky. I've used a ridiculous amount of rubber stylus' so know what you mean about the drag (it's off-putting to use a draggy stylus) and this one is beautiful to use due to no drag. I've even let a few customers demo it because they have stated they hate rubber stylus' - they've walked out the store with the boxwave. Must be something different?

Beau10
Oct 18, 2010, 01:55 PM
I'm wondering if Boxwave and the like have changed the product since it was introduced. Several brands of stylus seem to use this type, I imagine the tips may have improved over the months with improvements quitely updated in the supply chain line.

I too tried an early rubber tipped stylus my friend got and found it quite bad. Bought an Elago recently (which I believe it just another Boxwave/Targus/Griffen rebrand) and it's about as draggy as using my finger. Slight, but barely perceptible.

go4thetop
Oct 19, 2010, 08:26 PM
One of the biggest disappointments of the iPad functionality for me was the lack of a stylus input so that I could get rid of all my paper notebooks that I accumulate for work. The other one was the lack of the camera.

Anyway, one of the things that I thought a company like Livescribe could do quite quickly and easily would be to modify one of their pens to use bluetooth instead of storing the captured "ink" for later upload to a PC.

This bluetooth enabled pen would have a nice, pointy, screen-safe tip that slid across the iPad screen and all the "ink" info would be sent to the iPad via bluetooth in real time and displayed live on the iPad screen.

They could create a simple notebook style app that displayed the dot paper on the screen and turned off (or just ignored) touch sensitivity for most of the screen while writing. This would allow you to write on the iPad without having to worry about your hand touching the screen and causing problems and you would have a pointy, pen-style tip that would allow you to write small sized text. The app could allow you to date, categorise and tag your notes when you were finished to allow you to easily find and retrieve stuff.

I sent the idea to the company when the iPad first came out as I'd buy one tomorrow if they made it, but I never heard from them (no surprise really!). What we need is one of the Asian companies that produce all those electronic gadget rip offs to make one for us. :D

The other thing that I am hoping is that one of the Android tablets includes a proper stylus input and notebook type app. Much as I love a lot of what the iPad has to offer, for work I'll ditch the iPad when one comes out and use that instead.

Beau10
Oct 19, 2010, 08:57 PM
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Beau10
Oct 19, 2010, 08:59 PM
This bluetooth enabled pen would have a nice, pointy, screen-safe tip that slid across the iPad screen and all the "ink" info would be sent to the iPad via bluetooth in real time and displayed live on the iPad screen.



Something along these lines:

http://thetechjournal.com/electronics/tablet/pressure-sensitive-drawing-headed-to-ipad.xhtml

As noted in the article they use a private call in the framework to accomplish this, so that's one current roadblock.

tablo13
Oct 19, 2010, 09:40 PM
Does anyone else think this sounds like an Onion article? Especially this part:

It's actually real :p

sfarrat
Oct 21, 2010, 12:58 AM
here is it. it's capacitive and pointy! took me a while to find it but finally! :) i just don't know where they are selling them in the US, but you can preorder them from this link http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/nokia-capacitive-stylus-su-39-p26348.htm

http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/carrying-and-styling/carrying-cases/nokia-capacitive-stylus-su-39

http://europe.nokia.com/MEDIA_BANK_100/R6Accessories/S/SU-39/SU-39_overview2_grey_604x604.png
http://europe.nokia.com/MEDIA_BANK_100/R6Accessories/S/SU-39/SU-39_overview1_grey_604x604.png

nineohtoo
Oct 21, 2010, 03:01 AM
My Alupen is on its way and I'll be sure to talk about how easy it is to use. I bought a Pogo Sketch off someone on craigslist and I'm really not happy with it. I have to press down hard for it to work. I'm not sure if its my SGP film though. It seems to work just fine on my MBP's trackpad though.

jparris1
Oct 22, 2010, 11:34 AM
I just got word that mine shipped. I'll let everyone know what I think when it arrives.

Nhwhazup
Oct 23, 2010, 05:21 AM
I purchased the Targus stylus and it is so much better than the Pogo that I had used previously. It is thicker in size so much more ergonomically correct. I have a Power Support crystal screen protector and didn't notice any drag. I like that you can use the Targus at any angle that is comfortable to your hand and you don't need to use any more pressure than you would normally use with a pen and paper. Thanks to this thread for the recommendation.

cocoa117
Oct 23, 2010, 05:29 PM
does anyone think if the new Samsung Galaxy Tablet Bluetooth Stylus going to work? It looks like have reasonable size pen tip. Guess we have to wait and see.

Karnivore
Oct 24, 2010, 08:54 AM
does anyone think if the new Samsung Galaxy Tablet Bluetooth Stylus going to work? It looks like have reasonable size pen tip. Guess we have to wait and see.

Does it rely on BT to work? If so I'd pass. BT can be laggy and that stylus would need it's own battery.

praetorian909
Oct 24, 2010, 10:16 PM
here is it. it's capacitive and pointy! took me a while to find it but finally! :) i just don't know where they are selling them in the US, but you can preorder them from this link http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/nokia-capacitive-stylus-su-39-p26348.htm


Interesting, thanks for posting! Are you going to get one and let us know how it is? :) Too bad the Nokia retail store in NYC closed down...

It looks like it's just a piece of plastic, but I can't really see the tip.

cocoa117
Oct 25, 2010, 09:38 AM
Does it rely on BT to work? If so I'd pass. BT can be laggy and that stylus would need it's own battery.

It's not clear at this point whether Blueooth works as function of pen input, or the function of wireless remote button. From the description it said it allow user to register two devices to the stylus, so you can use it answer your mobile without pick it up.

Horang
Oct 27, 2010, 12:03 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/2-x-NEW-Touch-Screen-Stylus-Pen-TouchPen-Apple-iPad-/280553544901?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item41524b5cc5

I'm about to buy, but if there's any who tried this, please share!!
And does anyone know if we can buy this product that "ship from us"?
It'll take a long to be delivered.

fluff
Oct 27, 2010, 01:44 PM
Horang, did you read this?

Soft Rubber top end for click and writing, the sharp tip is not fit for Apple iPad screen.

Dont expect to use the sharp end for writing on the iPad....

Horang
Oct 27, 2010, 03:20 PM
Horang, did you read this?



Dont expect to use the sharp end for writing on the iPad....

Oh. i missed the sentence. Happy to read this before purchase.

ppfd
Oct 27, 2010, 07:18 PM
I too was on the hunt for the perfect stylus for my ipad. I read all this and looked at all the links posted. I have the Pogo Sketch like most everyone. And like most everyone, I'm not impressed. So after looking I bought the Elago stylus off of Amazon. I ordered Sunday evening and the stylus arrived today, (Wednesday).
http://www.amazon.com/elago-Stylus-Clip-iPhone4-Touch/dp/B003YSKJOW

Out of the box this blows the Pogo out of the water.
Length is about 4.25" I'd say the "thickness" is close to twice that of the pogo. Pocket clip is tight with no movement, and its metal unlike the plastic of the Pogo.

The tip is rubber. Sort of like a "bubble", not sure if it is air filled.

Writing/Drawing - My ipad has a screen protector. The Elago, glides right across the screen. Much more control than the Pogo I think. I have Penultimate app. I noticed an immediate difference! The Pogo feels like a toothpick with a sponge on the end after using this.

Check it out!

zhenya
Oct 27, 2010, 08:07 PM
I too was on the hunt for the perfect stylus for my ipad. I read all this and looked at all the links posted. I have the Pogo Sketch like most everyone. And like most everyone, I'm not impressed. So after looking I bought the Elago stylus off of Amazon. I ordered Sunday evening and the stylus arrived today, (Wednesday).
http://www.amazon.com/elago-Stylus-Clip-iPhone4-Touch/dp/B003YSKJOW

Out of the box this blows the Pogo out of the water.
Length is about 4.25" I'd say the "thickness" is close to twice that of the pogo. Pocket clip is tight with no movement, and its metal unlike the plastic of the Pogo.

The tip is rubber. Sort of like a "bubble", not sure if it is air filled.

Writing/Drawing - My ipad has a screen protector. The Elago, glides right across the screen. Much more control than the Pogo I think. I have Penultimate app. I noticed an immediate difference! The Pogo feels like a toothpick with a sponge on the end after using this.

Check it out!

It looks like this uses the same tip as the Boxwave/Targus/others (all appear to have the same rubber tip and tapered silver metal lip - the rest of the design may differ) - all of which have gotten similarly good reviews. I use the Targus, and it works great for writing. I too would like a finer tip - but I suspect there is a minimum surface area that the iPad screen will respond to - so this may be as good as it gets.

ppfd
Oct 27, 2010, 08:51 PM
Yeah,
it was a toss up for me between the boxwave and the elago. I read the reviews and came down to price!:D I might pick up one of the "midget" box waves as well.

Chewbaca
Oct 31, 2010, 11:12 AM
I use the boxwave mini but i also have a pogo. I think the mini is easy enough to keep my wallet but the pogo does feel nicer to write with. Anythings better than using the onscreen keyboard at least.

Built
Nov 2, 2010, 01:24 AM
I purchased the Targus stylus and it is so much better than the Pogo that I had used previously. It is thicker in size so much more ergonomically correct. I have a Power Support crystal screen protector and didn't notice any drag. I like that you can use the Targus at any angle that is comfortable to your hand and you don't need to use any more pressure than you would normally use with a pen and paper. Thanks to this thread for the recommendation.

I love the Targus. Bought 4 of them.

Treebark
Nov 5, 2010, 08:46 AM
I really like Hard Candy's new stylus. Not pointy but has a similar (same?) rubber tip that boxwave and targus I belive do. It seems a little more flexible than my boxwaves (which I prefer greatly over the pogo).

I like it better because it is longer and more substantial. And the cap protects the rubber stylus tip. If you don't like fat pens, you won't like this. But it is more comfortable than the boxwaves (which I find to be a tad too short to be perfect, though narrowness is OK).

Like the fischer space bullet pen, one problem is what to do with the cap when using it. If you put it on the other end I am sure it will eventually put marks in it. Not a huge deal, and true of most capped pens, just worth a mention.

By far my favorite iPad stylus (tried both pogos, some cheapy knockoffs, the obagis, and the boxwave)

http://www.hardcandycases.com/candy-ipad-stylus.html

port1974
Nov 12, 2010, 11:21 AM
Wish Apple would import these from China...I can't find a supplier in north America, or anywhere for that matter. The company "Shenzhen Wisda Electronic Products Limited" doesn't sell individual units....they don't even have an official website....

I found them here:

http://www.globalsources.com/gsol/I/Stylus-pen/p/sm/1030687763.htm

SnowDX
Nov 15, 2010, 03:56 PM
My Alupen is on its way and I'll be sure to talk about how easy it is to use. I bought a Pogo Sketch off someone on craigslist and I'm really not happy with it. I have to press down hard for it to work. I'm not sure if its my SGP film though. It seems to work just fine on my MBP's trackpad though.
Did you get your AluPen yet? I just ordered mine on the weekend and it has been shipped today, expected here by Thursday according to the tracking but that assumes they got it to the post office on time today. Otherwise probably Friday.

nineohtoo
Nov 25, 2010, 01:22 AM
^yup. It's got that soft rubber bubble tip like some of the other ones and it's really awesome. While it's not like drawing with some copic pens, it's way better than using my finger. It glides across my SGP films on both my iPad and iPhone with relative ease. It takes a bit of getting used to since it's wide but can make thin lines. Luckily I have small Asian hands, so it's not at all small for me. It might be a tad short for others though. I hope to get better with it so I can illustrate some comics with it.

SnowDX
Nov 26, 2010, 11:03 PM
^yup. It's got that soft rubber bubble tip like some of the other ones and it's really awesome. While it's not like drawing with some copic pens, it's way better than using my finger. It glides across my SGP films on both my iPad and iPhone with relative ease. It takes a bit of getting used to since it's wide but can make thin lines. Luckily I have small Asian hands, so it's not at all small for me. It might be a tad short for others though. I hope to get better with it so I can illustrate some comics with it.

Glad you're enjoying it! Mine's here now too. I've got small hands as well and I almost thought it was too chunky at first but I got used to it quickly. I also like the length.

I Am Canadian
Nov 28, 2010, 12:32 AM
I love the Targus. Bought 4 of them.

I'm with you, albeit not with the same amount as you. This Targus Stylus is better on all counts compared to the Pogo and the Pogo costs more than twice as much.

l1yogibear
Dec 14, 2010, 03:30 AM
I was looking at the kno tablet seen here
http://www.kno.com/the-kno
and i saw that it comes with a stylus that is battery powered and has a point to it. does anyone know if this would work on the ipad? here is the link to the stylus. http://www.kno.com/store/productdetails/kno-stylus?productName=K03001-NA
and here is a link to the replaceable tips http://www.kno.com/store/productdetails/kno-stylus-tip-replacements?productName=K07001-NA

please let me know what you think.
thanks

drgopoos
Dec 16, 2010, 12:13 PM
I was looking at the kno tablet seen here
http://www.kno.com/the-kno
and i saw that it comes with a stylus that is battery powered and has a point to it. does anyone know if this would work on the ipad? here is the link to the stylus. http://www.kno.com/store/productdetails/kno-stylus?productName=K03001-NA
and here is a link to the replaceable tips http://www.kno.com/store/productdetails/kno-stylus-tip-replacements?productName=K07001-NA

please let me know what you think.
thanks

I would love to knw this too

lonfar
Dec 27, 2010, 01:24 PM
I would love to knw this too

Does not work on iPad

rubberglover
Jan 14, 2011, 05:57 AM
This is the best solution I've found.... works like a charm and is technically free:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHhB2BF5yQM

TheCheapGeek
Jan 19, 2011, 07:26 AM
I just received my black AluPen and really like the stylus. Here is an unboxing and review that I did on YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5XX9KY6fRY&feature=feedu

Bytor65
Jan 19, 2011, 08:36 AM
I just received my black AluPen and really like the stylus. Here is an unboxing and review that I did on YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5XX9KY6fRY&feature=feedu

Nice review. Looks about as good as it will get for Apple styluses.

leeds011
Feb 16, 2011, 07:47 PM
Hi folks,

Here's something that might be of interest:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1004382302/more-real-stylus-cap


I don't know if it'll be as smooth as something like the alupen, but it would be good to be able to switch from a normal pen to a stylus by just taking off the cap. The brass ones look good too.

By the way, did anyone try the Nokia capacitive stylus and if so, was it any good?

Kind regards,

David

EazyWeazy3
Feb 16, 2011, 09:08 PM
AluPen looks good.

Loving the video review.

FernandoJT
Mar 2, 2011, 01:39 PM
Our stylus is kinda pointy but current capacitive touch screens need a blunt area of tap in order for it calculate where it was tapped. This is our stylus e.stylo:

http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz154/Plai_tv/07.jpg

And a vid can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRRCseqofeY

aleksander
Mar 4, 2011, 08:31 AM
I certainly wouldn't want an active digitiser added to the iPad at the cost of the Capacitive multi-touch input. However, active digitisers have a "range" which is far greater than that of a multi-touch panel.

If you've ever used a graphics tablet you'll know what I mean, you can hover the stylus over the tablet without actually touching the surface to move the mouse cursor around. What this would mean in terms of the iPad is that an active digitiser layer could be squeezed behind the capacitive input layer, screen and glass whilst still being, in theory, functional.

It's never going to happen, but it's also irrefutably the holy grail of input. To have an iPad switch into active-only input when it senses a pen hovering over or touching its surface would be glorious, and fantastic for all sorts of artsy fartsy endeavours. A pen-sized, pen-shaped, pressure and tilt sensitive ... err.. pen... to use on the iPad would be wonderful. Not to mention that (at least in the world of Wacom) active digitiser input devices use an inductive power system, so no batteries to mess about with either.

Exactly. I hope competition tablets will introduce it quickly so then Apple would wake up and make it even better...

MagnumOP
Mar 5, 2011, 08:15 PM
This is the best solution I've found.... works like a charm and is technically free:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHhB2BF5yQM

I had a few minutes to dink around...

This works REALLY well.

drgopoos
Mar 6, 2011, 07:15 AM
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/nokia-capacitive-stylus-su-39-p26348.htm

gatech2
Mar 20, 2011, 04:16 PM
Lots of good reviews here.

drgopoos
Mar 21, 2011, 08:48 PM
Lots of good reviews here.

Here ???

albertwang
Mar 21, 2011, 10:11 PM
so..., when this will be available on market?

Our stylus is kinda pointy but current capacitive touch screens need a blunt area of tap in order for it calculate where it was tapped. This is our stylus e.stylo:

http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz154/Plai_tv/07.jpg

And a vid can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRRCseqofeY

TimTheEnchanter
Mar 21, 2011, 10:56 PM
On a related note, I came across this the other day and might have to order one.
http://www.nomadbrush.com/

Rubberglover's post of this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHhB2BF5yQM
looks to be the finest point solution.

the-insider
Mar 21, 2011, 11:01 PM
I both bought the Dagi and Griffin from Amazon. the Dagi first game with its plastic tip. U have to hold it in certain angel.

then the Griffin came. I've never used the Dagi ever since. Griffin has good rubber tip, not too "slidey" which is good for drawing, and u don't need that much pressure for it to register.

Griffin might be the same as Targus pen (just ordered too)

AztecKing
Mar 22, 2011, 02:45 AM
Bought Targus from Best Buy and use it with Notes Plus app. Stylus works great and the app is nice because it has a palm rest that slides up from the bottom and moves with your palm. Very close to using a real pad and pen. I was sold on the app after watching the video on You Tube.

jacobtaylor1987
Mar 28, 2011, 12:33 AM
http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2011/03/18/are-touchscreen-tablets-effective-design-tools-review/

Scroll down a bit, some great looking styli I wasn't aware of.
I bought the Pogo a while ago for sketch thumbnails (Graphic Designer), and it was close to useless. The foam was too slippery.

FernandoJT
Mar 31, 2011, 01:25 AM
Hi, e.stylo is available right now. Just visit our blog at http://www.plai.tv/blog.php for more info. Here's a vid of e.stylo working on the iPad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0hrvA9ILcU

PWNkake
Mar 31, 2011, 10:41 AM
Just ordered an E style. I'll let you guys know how it performs! Looking forward to it, thanks FernandoJT! Read about your product here, if you were wondering! This is Mbison/matt.

benjayman2
Mar 31, 2011, 01:05 PM
Anyone "back" the cosmonaut stylus when they were allowing pay what you want prices. You need to commit $25 currently but the first 3000 "backers" were able to get it for as low as $1. I really like the stylus caps as far as the feel goes. So much cool stuff on kickstarters I'm glad someone referenced them.

FernandoJT
Apr 1, 2011, 10:09 AM
Thanks Matt! Looking forward to hearing your feedback.