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chrono1081
Feb 5, 2010, 09:38 AM
Hi guys.

I already looked all through google but I can't find any good, level, non skewed pics of a sideshot of the thickness of a 13inch uMBP and a macbook air.

Does anyone have one by chance they would like to share? :D



spinnerlys
Feb 5, 2010, 09:44 AM
http://www.product-reviews.net/wp-content/userimages/2008/01/apple-macair-macbook-pro.jpg

The aluminum MacBook Pro is about the same height as the Unibody MBP.

richard.mac
Feb 5, 2010, 09:44 AM
^ beaten by spinnerlys, but i win :P

http://.jpg

btw if you are wondering, the old unibody 13" MacBook has the exact same dimensions as the 13" MacBook Pro.

aleni
Feb 5, 2010, 08:06 PM
more photos here http://www.makemac.com/2008/11/perbandingan-size-macbook-pro-unibody/

spinnerlys
Feb 5, 2010, 08:15 PM
^ beaten by spinnerlys, but i win :P


But your MBA is the wrong way around and pleeaase look at the angle. You can do better. ;)

Scottsdale
Feb 5, 2010, 08:35 PM
I get that you wanted the physical size comparison... but maybe you're leaving out weight and actual usability comparisons???

How about the feel differences...

MacBook Air = Two Magazines

MacBook Pro = Textbook

Even though the MBA is 3 lbs it feels so lightweight and is so thin it can be hidden within a few magazines inside of a tote. When going from a MacBook Air to a MacBook Pro, it's a shock to the system.

Nothing beats the fun of the MacBook Air. The thing about it is if one just tries the MBA, and it meets their general requirements of a computer, they fall in love.

Right now, the differences are port selection, RAM limitation, drive space limitation, and optical drive. If one can live with those limitations, the MBA is probably the most fun computer they'll ever own.

chrono1081
Feb 5, 2010, 11:40 PM
Thanks guys for all the responses :D

I'm a heavy heavy computer user but all that stuff I generally do on a desktop but due to a unique work situation the laptop in my sig has to fulfill those duties.

I use a laptop only for internet and coding and would LOVE the air. I don't care about optical drive and storage space because everything I have I would just stream off of my server.

I have a netbook but an air and a netbook are not in the same class. Netbooks are for when I travel and want only email and light internet (and generally when I have lots of camera gear traveling with me also). An air is for when I want to travel or just lay in bed and get actual work done. The air also has a lot more power.

I saw one in a store back in november but barely got to try it because the stupid best buy employees kept bugging me asking if I need help (I know its their job as I worked there long ago) but I'm one of those people that run way from store greeters or leave the store and go back to look online if I'm bugged too much.

I get to go back to the states in March for two weeks so I will sneak into best buy and try and play with one again but if Apple refreshes it in the meantime and it gets 4 gigs of ram and a unibody screen I'll be owning one :D I know I will love it :)

MacModMachine
Feb 7, 2010, 04:13 PM
Thanks guys for all the responses :D

I'm a heavy heavy computer user but all that stuff I generally do on a desktop but due to a unique work situation the laptop in my sig has to fulfill those duties.

I use a laptop only for internet and coding and would LOVE the air. I don't care about optical drive and storage space because everything I have I would just stream off of my server.

I have a netbook but an air and a netbook are not in the same class. Netbooks are for when I travel and want only email and light internet (and generally when I have lots of camera gear traveling with me also). An air is for when I want to travel or just lay in bed and get actual work done. The air also has a lot more power.

I saw one in a store back in november but barely got to try it because the stupid best buy employees kept bugging me asking if I need help (I know its their job as I worked there long ago) but I'm one of those people that run way from store greeters or leave the store and go back to look online if I'm bugged too much.

I get to go back to the states in March for two weeks so I will sneak into best buy and try and play with one again but if Apple refreshes it in the meantime and it gets 4 gigs of ram and a unibody screen I'll be owning one :D I know I will love it :)

the air is a special system to me, its fast and it works for almost any situation i have put it in.

i can travel with it all the time, all my work is on it all the time, i can rely on it.

the battery life is decent , external batteries from hypermac make it last way longer.

over all its a fantastic.

ARF900
Feb 7, 2010, 04:15 PM
http://www.product-reviews.net/wp-content/userimages/2008/01/apple-macair-macbook-pro.jpg

The aluminum MacBook Pro is about the same height as the Unibody MBP.

the uni is far thinner than that.

MacModMachine
Feb 7, 2010, 04:57 PM
the uni is far thinner than that.

not really....

inott
Feb 7, 2010, 11:41 PM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3185/2963667477_3bc052b0ff_o.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/huntny/2985922370/

needless to say, the mba is well worth the couple hundred extra.

chrono1081
Feb 8, 2010, 03:06 AM
Argh these pics make me want to order one right now! (I'll wait though till a refresh, I really need the 4 gigs of RAM).

I can't even talk about a Macbook Air at work without a bunch of co-workers offering their un-welcome opinions on how its "under powered" and "over priced" and "I could get a PC doing the same thing for cheaper" and its "nothing but a netbook" blah blah. It's amazing how much hate saying the word "Mac" can generate in an IT department.

I'm glad I have macrumors to share my enthusiasm with :)

stoconnell
Feb 8, 2010, 10:03 AM
Argh these pics make me want to order one right now! (I'll wait though till a refresh, I really need the 4 gigs of RAM).

I can't even talk about a Macbook Air at work without a bunch of co-workers offering their un-welcome opinions on how its "under powered" and "over priced" and "I could get a PC doing the same thing for cheaper" and its "nothing but a netbook" blah blah. It's amazing how much hate saying the word "Mac" can generate in an IT department.

I'm glad I have macrumors to share my enthusiasm with :)

Sadly, you get that from a lot of Mac owners as well. This machine is just not for some people's usage patterns.

inott
Feb 8, 2010, 10:42 AM
Sadly, you get that from a lot of Mac owners as well. This machine is just not for some people's usage patterns.

I'll keep saying what i've been saying since I bought my Rev.C MBA.. and that is that unless you're doing very intense video editing, or trying to play crysis on max res. A new MBA will more then suffice for almost every need. I keep mine on a dual-monitor setup (lg 21.5") for heavy photoshop work. It works very efficiently (keep in mind I was doing this same photoshop work on an iMac G5 (Rev.A) so this is a HUGE upgrade. Plus I when i'm not using the copious amounts of screen real estate, i unplug and boom! Easily the lightest and sexiest computer I could carry with me. I have netbooks, but this is my choice when computing in public.

Yes, I know if I had an eight-core PM it would be even faster, because my school has several hundred of these machines at our disposal, and yes they are very quick. But once again, unless you're doing SERIOUS CAD, or video-editing type work, a Rev.C (And soon the even, more so Rev.D) will be much more then sufficient for computing of many types.

I spent years as a PC gearhead/modder, and trust me I know how the pissing contest is with trying to have the fastest/newest/bigger numbered what ever. But here in the in the lovely year of 2010, computing in general as reached a point where the "low end" has become sufficient for many tasks. And the MBA is a shining example of a perfect balance between power and design. Apple really got this one right.

AAPLaday
Feb 8, 2010, 12:32 PM
New MBA with 4GB ram, gimme gimme gimme :D

aleni
Feb 8, 2010, 11:12 PM
New MBA with 4GB ram, gimme gimme gimme :D

and with higher resolution screen, gimme gimme gime! :D

AAPLaday
Feb 14, 2010, 03:10 AM
and with higher resolution screen, gimme gimme gime! :D

haha :D Seriously though if there aren't any updates this coming tuesday i will just get a refurb current model and sell it in a 12/18 months. Not had a mac since november when my imac died and am using my mates old acer laptop at moment to get by. One good thing though is that this is an old machine so it doesn't come with vista :cool:

Scottsdale
Feb 15, 2010, 09:18 AM
haha :D Seriously though if there aren't any updates this coming tuesday i will just get a refurb current model and sell it in a 12/18 months. Not had a mac since november when my imac died and am using my mates old acer laptop at moment to get by. One good thing though is that this is an old machine so it doesn't come with vista :cool:

There are plenty of nice ultraportables on the market, so one doesn't have to rely on Apple and the MBA. You can easily find ultraportables that are faster than the MBA, have better graphics than the MBA, have double or quadruple the RAM of the MBA, cost less than the MBA, have more ports than the MBA, have a much better battery than the MBA, have double the drive space as an MBA, that are thinner than the MBA, and etc.

I don't know when Apple will update the MBA, but I do believe many people are counting on Apple to upgrade the MBA soon and plan to buy it if it's updated. I would NOT suggest anyone "reward" Apple by buying the current MBA at full price. Wait for an updated MBA or buy a PC alternative. The current MBA is over eight months old and quickly becoming irrelevant to those who want to buy an MBA. However, if anyone has to have an MBA, and cannot wait for an update, buy a heavily discounted MBA; as someone pointed out, at frys.com the current high-end MBA is $1499... at that price it's a lot better value proposition.

striatedglutes
Feb 15, 2010, 01:45 PM
There are plenty of nice ultraportables on the market, so one doesn't have to rely on Apple and the MBA. You can easily find ultraportables that are faster than the MBA, have better graphics than the MBA, have double or quadruple the RAM of the MBA, cost less than the MBA, have more ports than the MBA, have a much better battery than the MBA, have double the drive space as an MBA, that are thinner than the MBA, and etc.

Not trying to argue with you or anything [or thread derail -_-], but do you know of something off the top of your head that ticks off all of those vs. the air? I haven't really kept myself in the loop...

-faster
-faster graphics
-4GB or 8GB RAM
-$cheaper
-more ports
-better battery
-double HDD space
-all of that while remaining thinner?

macboy4
Feb 16, 2010, 07:39 AM
I had a Rev B MBA and, until I found myself needing to run Windows virtually, it was awesome. If they release one with 4GB of RAM you'll be able to run XP or 7 using Parallels or Fusion and it should work great.

I do NOT, however, recommend a MBA with 2GB of RAM for virtualization... just something to consider.

PS The only other annoying thing is that the fans kick on higher, and at a lower temperature than my MBP. This isn't a deal breaker, but it is mildly annoying.

Digital Skunk
Feb 16, 2010, 09:50 AM
Not trying to argue with you or anything [or thread derail -_-], but do you know of something off the top of your head that ticks off all of those vs. the air? I haven't really kept myself in the loop...

-faster
-faster graphics
-4GB or 8GB RAM
-$cheaper
-more ports
-better battery
-double HDD space
-all of that while remaining thinner?

I don't think he was saying there are is one single option that matches all of that, just that the other ultraportables have those options, and that some do have more than one.

From what I've seen in the market you are either going to suffer in price and processor speed and get everything else, or suffer in size and weight and get the rest.

To put the thread back on track from my little rant, I must say that I'd prefer the MBA simply on the size of the screen, keyboard and trackpad alone.

Scottsdale
Feb 16, 2010, 01:23 PM
I don't think he was saying there are is one single option that matches all of that, just that the other ultraportables have those options, and that some do have more than one.

From what I've seen in the market you are either going to suffer in price and processor speed and get everything else, or suffer in size and weight and get the rest.

To put the thread back on track from my little rant, I must say that I'd prefer the MBA simply on the size of the screen, keyboard and trackpad alone.

Thanks. You hit my point exactly. Depending on what one wants from an ultraportable, they can probably find in a PC counterpart. Right now I wouldn't buy an MBA as a long-term computing solution. 2GB of RAM is too limited for long-term usage.

While I still love my MBA, I wouldn't pay $1799 + tax for it today. It's 8.5-month-old technology at prices from 8.5 months ago. At $1499 it's a nice value proposition (for anyone who wants to use it until the MBA is updated and gets 4GB of RAM) and then turnaround and sell it... at $1799 it's not such a nice value proposition.

I enjoy the MBA most for its weight, shape, case material (al.), and beauty of design. Everything else is easily beaten by competitors on the market right now. If there is no MBA update with 4GB of RAM this year, I will switch to an alternative solution.

archipellago
Feb 16, 2010, 02:16 PM
Argh these pics make me want to order one right now! (I'll wait though till a refresh, I really need the 4 gigs of RAM).

I can't even talk about a Macbook Air at work without a bunch of co-workers offering their un-welcome opinions on how its "under powered" and "over priced" and "I could get a PC doing the same thing for cheaper" and its "nothing but a netbook" blah blah. It's amazing how much hate saying the word "Mac" can generate in an IT department.

I'm glad I have macrumors to share my enthusiasm with :)

yeah, truth can hurt....;)

archipellago
Feb 16, 2010, 02:18 PM
There are plenty of nice ultraportables on the market, so one doesn't have to rely on Apple and the MBA. You can easily find ultraportables that are faster than the MBA, have better graphics than the MBA, have double or quadruple the RAM of the MBA, cost less than the MBA, have more ports than the MBA, have a much better battery than the MBA, have double the drive space as an MBA, that are thinner than the MBA, and etc.

I don't know when Apple will update the MBA, but I do believe many people are counting on Apple to upgrade the MBA soon and plan to buy it if it's updated. I would NOT suggest anyone "reward" Apple by buying the current MBA at full price. Wait for an updated MBA or buy a PC alternative. The current MBA is over eight months old and quickly becoming irrelevant to those who want to buy an MBA. However, if anyone has to have an MBA, and cannot wait for an update, buy a heavily discounted MBA; as someone pointed out, at frys.com the current high-end MBA is $1499... at that price it's a lot better value proposition.


wrong tense...;)

AAPLaday
Feb 17, 2010, 02:12 PM
There are plenty of nice ultraportables on the market, so one doesn't have to rely on Apple and the MBA. You can easily find ultraportables that are faster than the MBA, have better graphics than the MBA, have double or quadruple the RAM of the MBA, cost less than the MBA, have more ports than the MBA, have a much better battery than the MBA, have double the drive space as an MBA, that are thinner than the MBA, and etc.


Hey thanks for the info. Im no Apple fanboy but i have a real lust to get an Air :D While there are more advanced PC alternatives out right now i think this is mainly due to the fact that the Air is well overdue for an update. I think the Air is the best looking of Apples laptops and is powerful enough for me already as i dont have any excessive power needs, just iTunes, web browsing and iPhoto use mainly. The only thing id want is more storage space and more ram. :D

Scottsdale
Feb 18, 2010, 12:33 AM
Hey thanks for the info. Im no Apple fanboy but i have a real lust to get an Air :D While there are more advanced PC alternatives out right now i think this is mainly due to the fact that the Air is well overdue for an update. I think the Air is the best looking of Apples laptops and is powerful enough for me already as i dont have any excessive power needs, just iTunes, web browsing and iPhoto use mainly. The only thing id want is more storage space and more ram. :D

My point was simply being that if I absolutely had to buy a computer now, I would consider alternatives. I believe it's a terrible time to buy the MBA. Given its 2GB of RAM limitation, with no possibility of upgrading later, I don't believe it will stand the test of time. If one cannot wait for Apple to upgrade the MBA, I certainly believe they should spend their money elsewhere. Or, plan to buy their MBA updating much sooner than they would need to with a competing ultraportable. The RAM limitation is really going to limit the MBA's useful lifecycle. With most computers, including all other Macs, they could have RAM updated later... with the MBA it's stuck a 2GB of RAM FOREVER. I wouldn't plan to use an MBA for "several" or "many" years with 2GB of RAM in it.

I would suggest people find a discounted MBA and NOT pay anywhere near full price of $1799. In fact, when the MBA is updated, I will be shocked if it doesn't get a price cut in addition to a huge component update. So the lifetime value of a current MBA, stuck forever with 2GB of RAM, is surely not going to even come close to the value of the next MBA maybe days or weeks away... the Apple pricing system is the problem! It punishes people the longer they wait after an update to buy a new Mac. At 8.5 months in, when the average update for the MBA is 8 months, the MBA is a HORRIBLE VALUE and terrible when considering long-term relevance given its RAM limitation.

Bottom line, WAIT for an update as the MBA is currently not a good value at full price. Look at what the people were rewarded with for waiting for the last update. A $700 discount on the high-end MBA! Not only that, a CPU bump, slightly better battery, and a network/USB adaptor. That was a heck of a discount over the person that bought a new MBA on June 1, 2009. Days can make gigantic differences in value especially with the MBA!

Max(IT)
Feb 20, 2010, 03:16 AM
Scottsdale there simply isn't ANY OTHER ultraportable running Mac OSX on the market, so you are stuck with MBA if you, like me, don't want to run Windows anymore.
I suggest to wait for an imminent update of MBA (I'm looking for 4 Gb RAM)

chrono1081
Feb 20, 2010, 09:33 AM
Scottsdale there simply isn't ANY OTHER ultraportable running Mac OSX on the market, so you are stuck with MBA if you, like me, don't want to run Windows anymore.
I suggest to wait for an imminent update of MBA (I'm looking for 4 Gb RAM)

I'm in the same waiting boat.

Not to start a flame war but Windows is not an option for me anymore. Its just not efficient for what I use a computer for.

I really hope they have a 4GB option next update. If not I'll have to wait some more :(

AAPLaday
Feb 20, 2010, 09:47 AM
I'm in the same waiting boat.

Not to start a flame war but Windows is not an option for me anymore. Its just not efficient for what I use a computer for.

I really hope they have a 4GB option next update. If not I'll have to wait some more :(

It will have 4GB ram as standard. If it doesn't then they might as well discontinue it.

Doju
Feb 20, 2010, 11:46 AM
I get that you wanted the physical size comparison... but maybe you're leaving out weight and actual usability comparisons???

How about the feel differences...

MacBook Air = Two Magazines

MacBook Pro = Textbook

Even though the MBA is 3 lbs it feels so lightweight and is so thin it can be hidden within a few magazines inside of a tote. When going from a MacBook Air to a MacBook Pro, it's a shock to the system.

Nothing beats the fun of the MacBook Air. The thing about it is if one just tries the MBA, and it meets their general requirements of a computer, they fall in love.

Right now, the differences are port selection, RAM limitation, drive space limitation, and optical drive. If one can live with those limitations, the MBA is probably the most fun computer they'll ever own.Wow, what a horrid comparison.

MBA = 2 magazines
MBP = 3 magazines

That's mathematically indisputable. Oh no, another magazine.

Lava Lamp Freak
Feb 20, 2010, 02:35 PM
Wow, what a horrid comparison.

MBA = 2 magazines
MBP = 3 magazines

That's mathematically indisputable. Oh no, another magazine.

That sure is a heavy magazine, weighing one and a half pounds.

aaquib
Feb 21, 2010, 12:50 AM
That sure is a heavy magazine, weighing one and a half pounds.

By the poster's logic, it makes perfect sense as the ratio would be 3:2 magazines at 1.5lbs each magazine.

However, what I believe Scottsdale meant- and this is something you truly have to own a MBA to understand- is that a MacBook Air just feels much, much lighter. Despite being 2/3 the weight of the MBP, it feels miniscule in comparison. It just feels right holding it in one hand, being able to just pick it up so easily, and just toss it in your backpack without barely feeling it.

Maybe it's the thinness, or just our fanboyism but to me it just feels like holding two magazines vs. holding a textbook.

mrgossett
Feb 21, 2010, 08:12 AM
I'm going to chime in on this thread, since I own both an Air (2nd gen. 1.86 SSD) and an older black Macbook. The Air weighs about 3 pounds and the Blackbook weighs 4.5-5 pounds. Not a big difference on paper until you actually USE it. Picking up the Blackbook and taking it anywhere now feels like I'm carrying a brick compared to the Air. Maybe it's also the thinness of the Air that adds to the light feeling. All I know is that I'm totally spoiled using the Air and I would have a hard time going back to a heavier laptop of any kind. I can work with the Air in my lap for hours watching TV and not get the least bit tired. That was not true for other laptops that I have owned. I also have a Mac Pro for heavy-duty work, but the Air does everything I need a laptop to do, and gets probably 20X more use than my Pro.

chrono1081
Feb 21, 2010, 09:19 AM
This thread is making me want a macbook air more and more! :D

The only reason I have the laptop in my sig right now instead of a mac pro is because I work in a remote location and I can't have a tower here. When I go back home for good I'll have a tower as my primary machine for my heavy duty stuff, but my air will be for the rest of the time I am on the computer. (I'm usually on a computer 14+ hours a day).

All of my data will be on my tower and NAS so if I need something or want my iTunes library I just connect to it over the network and get what I want off of it.

The thinness and power of the air is a huge plus. After reading the thread of what people use on it I'm really impressed. Mine will be for coding so its plenty capable.

Hurry up Apple! Update the air! My credit card is waiting :D

Scottsdale
Feb 21, 2010, 03:45 PM
Wow, what a horrid comparison.

MBA = 2 magazines
MBP = 3 magazines

That's mathematically indisputable. Oh no, another magazine.

Are you incapable of measuring the difference in your mind of THICKNESS, SHAPE, FEEL, and weight? Two magazines versus a textbook is the overall difference in the MIND.

I never said take two magazines and you have a MacBook Air.

I really cannot stand how some people come to this site just to criticize others. Why don't you show some class.

EDIT > ADD
Thanks for chiming in aaquib and mrgossett! One has to experience it to understand it... but still, some people are here strictly to criticize and belittle others. Some people find self worth by putting down others rather than raising up themselves. Normally Mac/Apple product users would understand the overall impact of the experience of using, holding, feeling, seeing, and carrying the Apple product is completely different than the SCIENCE of the differences between the Apple products and competitive products. Scientifically, the analogy should be different, but the actual experience is what Apple capitalizes on time and time again. Most Apple users know exactly what I mean. This is why people will pay more for Apple products, and exactly why Apple profits so very well. Apple capitalizes on the experience and that's why some of us can comprehend why I would state the difference FEELS LIKE two magazines versus a textbook.