Palin mocks Obama for teleprompter, writes Q&A answers on her hand

[Sky Blue]

The gift that keeps on giving:

Did Palin write the answers to Tea Party Convention questions on her hand?

Tonight, former Alaska governor Sarah Palin spoke to the National Tea Party Convention in Nashville, TN, an event that was ditched by other high-profile Republicans who disliked its for-profit model. After her speech, organizer Judson Phillips asked Palin several questions. One of them was about what needs to be done when there is a “conservative House and a conservative Senate.” Palin jumped right in and said, “We’ve got to rein in the spending, obviously.” However, she then seemed to forget her next talking point and glanced down at her left hand, as if there were notes she had scribbled down. She went on to talk about “energy projects.” Watch it:

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/02/06/palin-hand/



http://www.oliverwillis.com/img/palin-speech-hand.jpg

video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtcVMTZkTZQ

When I say "answers":

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4014/4337216550_4fc4343589_o.jpg

Energy
Budget (crossed out)
Tax Cuts
Lift American Spirits
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[yg17]

I guess next time she'll tell the media not to broadcast the teabagging convention in HD :rolleyes:

[xUKHCx]

Its a good idea to keep the important topics on hand to make sure you don't forget them.

When I have to give a presentation I like to go into the room early to leave keywords/topics in a visible place to make sure I don't miss anything out. If I don't have access to the room beforehand I have written them on my hand.

Guess this is just an example of a politician being a hypocrite, hardly a surprise.

[yg17]

It gets worse.

Palin using a teleprompter!
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.politicsdaily.com/media/2009/03/83389137.jpg

Saint Ronnie their hero using a teleprompter!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/President_Reagan_gives_the_State_of_the_Union_Address_to_Congress_1988.jpg

This woman needs to shut up and go away. She is nothing but a liar.

[Sky Blue]

I guess next time she'll tell the media not to broadcast the teabagging convention in HD :rolleyes:

Apologies, just saw you posted this in the other thread.

She's given these questions beforehand but still can't remember her non-sensical rhetoric.

[yg17]

Its a good idea to keep the important topics on hand to make sure you don't forget them.

When I have to give a presentation I like to go into the room early to leave keywords/topics in a visible place to make sure I don't miss anything out. If I don't have access to the room beforehand I have written them on my hand.

Guess this is just an example of a politician being a hypocrite, hardly a surprise.

It's 6 words (7 if you count the crossed out one). Is she too stupid to remember 6 words? And they're 6 words that she's been repeating over and over again over the last 2 years and are the basis of the platform. She seriously needed a reminder to talk about tax cuts? Just how much of an idiot is she?

Usually if I do that for a presentation, I have partial sentences on there, something more than 6 words.

[xUKHCx]

6 key topics.

They are reminders to make sure she doesn't forget them at the key moment in time when she is under pressure.

Everyone is likey to falter when they are put under pressure and the spot light is on them, doing something like this helps ease the mind as you know there is a back up and you are enabling yourself to not screw up.

I'm sorry but this was sensible from Palin, perhaps she could've done this in a more discrete method.

[bobr1952]

From my perspective, she has just moved over to join the ranks of conservative entertainers such as Rush Limbaugh--and for me that means not to be taken seriously.

[yg17]

6 key topics.

They are reminders to make sure she doesn't forget them at the key moment in time when she is under pressure.

Everyone is likey to falter when they are put under pressure and the spot light is on them, doing something like this helps ease the mind as you know there is a back up and you are enabling yourself to not screw up.

I'm sorry but this was sensible from Palin, perhaps she could've done this in a more discrete method.

It's not sensible when she does this 5 minutes after blasting Obama for using a teleprompter.

And it's actually only 3 key topics that are the platform of the teabagger party. She should know them, even under pressure. And what pressure? The Q&A questions were preselected from ones submitted a few weeks ago, she probably already saw them and had the answers programmed into her simple head. She wasn't under any pressure. She's just a dolt.

[Sky Blue]

6 key topics.

They are reminders to make sure she doesn't forget them at the key moment in time when she is under pressure.

Everyone is likey to falter when they are put under pressure and the spot light is on them, doing something like this helps ease the mind as you know there is a back up and you are enabling yourself to not screw up.

I'm sorry but this was sensible from Palin, perhaps she could've done this in a more discrete method.

I agree with what you're saying, but if you're getting paid $100,000 to do a speech and a Q&A, you've seen the questions beforehand, you're having a go at the president for reading off a teleprompter and you write "Lift American Spirits" you deserved to be laughed at. Can you imagine what a field day the right would have if Obama did a Town Hall with answers written on his hand?

[xUKHCx]

It's not sensible when she does this 5 minutes after blasting Obama for using a teleprompter.


Guess this is just an example of a politician being a hypocrite, hardly a surprise.

And it's actually only 3 key topics that are the platform of the teabagger party. She should know them, even under pressure. And what pressure? The Q&A questions were preselected from ones submitted a few weeks ago, she probably already saw them and had the answers programmed into her simple head. She wasn't under any pressure. She's just a dolt.

As I said before if it helps her remember what she was going to say then it is good practise. Just because it is words you feel she should know they could clearly be triggers for a more informative answer that she has prepared.

I agree with what you're saying, but if you're getting paid $100,000 to do a speech and a Q&A, you've seen the questions beforehand, you're having a go at the president for reading off a teleprompter and you write "Lift American Spirits" you deserved to be laughed at. Can you imagine what a field day the right would have if Obama did a Town Hall with answers written on his hand?

Yeah there would be attacks from the other side but as I said before:


Guess this is just an example of a politician being a hypocrite, hardly a surprise.

In fact if it was the other way around I am sure people would be here defending him that about the fact that it is sensible to give yourself an edge.

I can't quite believe the faux drama over someone being sensible. Hardly the biggest issue there is. But I suppose in such a polarised political environment it is to be expected.

[jb1280]

This is truly a non-issue.

I would gladly have no problem with her having volumes of notes if she is willing to perform a prime time press conference. Of course, at this moment there is a better chance of Jesus Christ incarnate walking the streets of Washington, DC than her subjecting herself to real scrutiny.

[Eraserhead]

This is truly a non-issue.

I would gladly have no problem with her having volumes of notes if she is willing to perform a prime time press conference. Of course, at this moment there is a better chance of Jesus Christ incarnate walking the streets of Washington, DC than her subjecting herself to real scrutiny.

Agreed. I think this is a non-issue. She's just a hypocrite, but I'm sure we already knew that.

[IntheNet]

This is truly a non-issue.

Liberals have so little... let them be outraged at irrelevant minutia...

[racers]

Liberals have so little... let them be outraged at irrelevant minutia...
Coming from someone who freaks out when Obama bows :rolleyes:

[Peace]

WHY is this person still being talked about ?
It's like theres a wreck at an intersection you drive through every day and each time you slow down to look. Eventually you have to say same wreck different day and drive on past it.

She is nothing more than a whore for money and publicity.

The more people listen to her the longer she stays in the limelight.

[xUKHCx]

Liberals have so little... let them be outraged at irrelevant minutia...

Yeah that's right "liberals" :rolleyes: I'll just refer you to every single post of mine in this thread to show you that you are wrong.

Please don't paint with a broad brush.

[jb1280]

WHY is this person still being talked about ?
It's like theres a wreck at an intersection you drive through every day and each time you slow down to look. Eventually you have to say same wreck different day and drive on past it.

She is nothing more than a whore for money and publicity.

The more people listen to her the longer she stays in the limelight.

Agreed. She needs to be declared persona non grata by the media until she is willing to do a press conference.

[fivepoint]

Palin is about as qualified as Barack Obama is to run this country. Both of them speak philosophically at about 30,000 feet only. Both of them have virtually no experience, and both of them have demonstrated a frightening lack of understanding of basic foreign relations policy and economic principles... among other things.

Palin was caught this one time with 'crib notes'. Barack Obama can't seem to udder a single word without the use of a teleprompter... even using them to speak to a bunch of elementary age children. Neither issue being serious, but resulting in neither individual inspiring much confidence I'm afraid...

I hope that the Tea Party movement can be led by someone with a bit more trustworthiness, class, and history of principled policies... someone much more like Ron Paul than Sarah Palin. I hope the Democratic party can be led by someone with a bit less ultra left-wing tendencies and a bit more respect for the constitution... someone who only supports liberal policies which fall within the rights of the federal government instead of saying the ends justify the means and pushing forward regardless.

The state of our politicians in this country is pretty sad. The state of our politics in general in this country is pretty sad... it's all about party, and not about principles. It's all about populism and not about reality. It's all about what entitlements you can offer today, and not about the America you can create in the future.

[Eraserhead]

Palin is about as qualified as Barack Obama is to run this country.

Come on, Obama isn't that bad...

I hope that the Tea Party movement can be led by someone with a bit more trustworthiness, class, and history of principled policies... someone much more like Ron Paul than Sarah Palin.

Agreed.

I hope the Democratic party can be led by someone with a bit less ultra left-wing tendencies and a bit more respect for the constitution...

Is Castro running the Democratic party :confused:.

The state of our politicians in this country is pretty sad. The sad of our politics in general in this country is pretty sad... it's all about party, and not about principles. It's all about populism and not about reality. It's all about what entitlements you can offer today, and not about the America you can create in the future.

Agreed.

[dukebound85]

It's 6 words (7 if you count the crossed out one). Is she too stupid to remember 6 words? And they're 6 words that she's been repeating over and over again over the last 2 years and are the basis of the platform. She seriously needed a reminder to talk about tax cuts? Just how much of an idiot is she?

Usually if I do that for a presentation, I have partial sentences on there, something more than 6 words.

Do you present much? Sentences don't do you any good as it distracts from your thought process when giving the speech

6 key topics.

They are reminders to make sure she doesn't forget them at the key moment in time when she is under pressure.

Everyone is likey to falter when they are put under pressure and the spot light is on them, doing something like this helps ease the mind as you know there is a back up and you are enabling yourself to not screw up.

I'm sorry but this was sensible from Palin, perhaps she could've done this in a more discrete method.

Exactly

[rdowns]

Barack Obama can't seem to udder a single word without the use of a teleprompter.


http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/29/obama.gop/index.html
:rolleyes:

[dukebound85]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/29/obama.gop/index.html
:rolleyes:

no no no.....the teleprompters already have the answers! lol

[Zombie Acorn]

Its hard to take people seriously who cry about people criticizing Obama bowing one second and then post stuff like this that doesn't matter. Its not unusual for people to jot down notes for a speech or q/a. Palin isn't exactly an illusive target to nail without putting crap like this up.

[Eraserhead]

Its hard to take people seriously who cry about people criticizing Obama bowing one second and then post stuff like this that doesn't matter.

And vice versa.

[.Andy]

Wouldn't mind a t shirt with the list on it :D!


But I must agree with those above. It's not as if we need reminding of Palin's inability. But a few words here and there to remind one of their main points (even if they are the ones you have been conditioned to repeat ad nauseum) isn't that grave IMO. Although this woman was paid upwards of $100 000 to give this speech - surely a bit more professionalism could be expected. It is tempting to point our her hypocrisy but a better use of energy would be directed at tearing apart her vacuous speech or even just to ignore the curiosity altogether.

[Sky Blue]

Barack Obama can't seem to udder a single word without the use of a teleprompter.

http://www.genusbreeding.co.uk/images/upload/Good_udder.jpg

:confused:

Teleprompters are used for speeches. Question and answer sessions are usually done without prompts, especially if the questions are given beforehand.

[Rt&Dzine]

^^^Yikes!!!

Its hard to take people seriously who cry about people criticizing Obama bowing one second and then post stuff like this that doesn't matter. Its not unusual for people to jot down notes for a speech or q/a. Palin isn't exactly an illusive target to nail without putting crap like this up.

The point is that she's being hypocritical.

[killerrobot]

So she took notes on her hand. Big deal. At least she didn't end up smearing it on her face.
So she criticized Obama for using a teleprompter. Yes she's a hypocrite, but I guess when you've gone rogue you just don't them anymore. ;)

She said a lot more disturbing things in that speech/Q&A than just taking swings at Obama.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/08/us/politics/09palin.html?pagewanted=2&hp

[Rodimus Prime]

So she took notes on her hand. Big deal. At least she didn't end up smearing it on her face.
So she criticized Obama for using a teleprompter. Yes she's a hypocrite, but I guess when you've gone rogue you just don't them anymore. ;)

She said a lot more disturbing things in that speech/Q&A than just taking swings at Obama.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/08/us/politics/09palin.html?pagewanted=2&hp

From what I have seen of Obama is with out his teleprompter he goes from sounding like a great politician to a bumbling idiot. Obama problem is he can not think on his feet when giving a speech.

As for the notes on the hand that s nothing compared to a teleprompter. Now Palin screwed up in looking down and I have not a fan of notes on a the hand. Note cards I find are much more professional.

[NT1440]

From what I have seen of Obama is with out his teleprompter he goes from sounding like a great politician to a bumbling idiot. Obama problem is he can not think on his feet when giving a speech.


Did you even watch the GOP Q&A? When Obama stumbles (which he does from time to time) it seems more like the long pauses are so he can think out his answers. It's not very often he gives a nonsensical answer to escape really having to answer the question.

[Badandy]

This isn't a huge deal but it does highlight a couple things:

She can't even remember trigger words she's been using for over a year to answer questions that she's heard beforehand. I mean, c'mon, they don't allow this crap in my college public speaking classes.

She should have never criticized Obama about a teleprompter. This is 10x tackier and unprofessional.

[Rodimus Prime]

This isn't a huge deal but it does highlight a couple things:

She can't even remember trigger words she's been using for over a year to answer questions that she's heard beforehand. I mean, c'mon, they don't allow this crap in my college public speaking classes.

She should have never criticized Obama about a teleprompter. This is 10x tackier and unprofessional.

Tell you the truth. Any college public speaking class that does not allow you or even encourge you to use notes is not a good public speaking class. Yes some speaches you should be run with out notes but many of todays public speaking and the most useful ones one should be allow to run with notes.

Those notes can be power point slides. Now hand notes no matter who you are are unprofessional when giving a speak. It is useful only to store infomation for the few mins needed.

I see nothing wrong with her key words but they should of been on notes cards on the podium. No one would of cared but the looking down at the hand was a bad move.

[killerrobot]

From what I have seen of Obama is with out his teleprompter he goes from sounding like a great politician to a bumbling idiot. Obama problem is he can not think on his feet when giving a speech.

Did you even watch the GOP Q&A? When Obama stumbles (which he does from time to time) it seems more like the long pauses are so he can think out his answers. It's not very often he gives a nonsensical answer to escape really having to answer the question.

When Obama pauses or stutters, I think it's because he's a real person that doesn't have sound bytes that he can just throw around. I also think he's well aware that he needs to choose answers and words carefully because he's a leader of an extremely polarized and media frantic nation, and his words need to be precise and accurate.

[yg17]

When Obama pauses or stutters, I think it's because he's a real person that doesn't have sound bytes that he can just throw around. I also think he's well aware that he needs to choose answers and words carefully because he's a leader of an extremely polarized and media frantic nation, and his words need to be precise and accurate.

Yeah, I wouldn't expect Obama or any educated person to answer some of the loaded questions he's asked without pauses. He's thinking his answer through. He's not like republicans who just blurt out buzzwords like "Tax cuts!", "socialism!", "Ronald Reagan!", "9/11!" and "Patriotic Americans!" whenever asked a tough question.

[Badandy]

Tell you the truth. Any college public speaking class that does not allow you or even encourge you to use notes is not a good public speaking class.

Tell you the truth, I go to a pretty great university, and while we do a lot of presentations using powerpoint slides, the ones where we don't we are encouraged to do without notes. If you're speaking to someone about a topic you are passionate about you shouldn't need tips.


Now hand notes no matter who you are are unprofessional when giving a speak. It is useful only to store infomation for the few mins needed.

I see nothing wrong with her key words but they should of been on notes cards on the podium. No one would of cared but the looking down at the hand was a bad move.

Agreed, and that's what I'm talking about.

[Rodimus Prime]

Tell you the truth, I go to a pretty great university, and while we do a lot of presentations using powerpoint slides, the ones where we don't we are encouraged to do without notes. If you're speaking to someone about a topic you are passionate about you shouldn't need tips.


Good university does not equal good public speaking class.

Even if you are passionate about the topic tips and key words are very helpful in making sure everything flows well. Just because you are passionate about a topic the keywords help in the flow of speech and it go in the order that is needed. It prevents jumping around on the topic and makes it easier to flow from one topic to the next.

[jecapaga]

Liberals have so little... let them be outraged at irrelevant minutia...

Like yourself.

Thanks for posting OP. Bring on the Tea Baggin' party and Failin'.

[Sky Blue]

Daily Show covered the teabagger convention and Palin's hand scribbles:

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/02/jon-stewart-obamas-teleprompter-is-no-match-for-palins-mavericky-notecard-hand-scribbled-buzzwords-v.php?ref=fpb

[quagmire]

I found this video talking about it on CNN. I think I found a bigger airhead then Palin.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/showbiz/2010/02/09/joy.pres.palin.cnn?hpt=T2

She claims to know Ronald Reagan better then his own son and she never even met him. :rolleyes:

[Arran]

... I think I found a bigger airhead then Palin.

Indeed you did! I watched the entire shouting match you linked. I then smugly patted myself on the back for droping cable TV some years ago.

Painful.

[Iscariot]

I don't care in the slightest, and we'd all be much better off if no one else did, either.

[paddy]

I found this video talking about it on CNN. I think I found a bigger airhead then Palin.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/showbiz/2010/02/09/joy.pres.palin.cnn?hpt=T2

She claims to know Ronald Reagan better then his own son and she never even met him. :rolleyes:

My God, the airtime some idiots get is unbelievable! On a side note, was just reading about Ron Reagan. He seems like quite an interesting and intelligent fellow from what I've read so far.

[yg17]

I found this video talking about it on CNN. I think I found a bigger airhead then Palin.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/showbiz/2010/02/09/joy.pres.palin.cnn?hpt=T2

She claims to know Ronald Reagan better then his own son and she never even met him. :rolleyes:

Wow, what a freakin' moron. Sarah Palin didn't quit, she was called upon the lower 48 to lead the revolution? What the **** is wrong with these people?

[Sky Blue]

White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs flashed his hand at the White House press corps to jab former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.

Among the things he'd written in dark pen were his grocery shopping list.

"I wrote a few things down... eggs, milk and bread," Gibbs said.

This was, of course, a reference to Palin's notes she wrote on her hand during the question-and-answer portion of her address to the Tea Party Nation this weekend in Nashville.

As the reporters in the room laughed, Gibbs added, "But I crossed out bread, just so I can make pancakes for Ethan if it snows. And then I wrote down 'hope and change,' just in case I forgot."

That was another crack at Palin, who asked Obama supporters, "How's that hopey-changey thing working out for ya?"

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2010/02/gibbs-palin-sg-cropped-proto-custom_2.jpg

[rdowns]

Wow, what a freakin' moron. Sarah Palin didn't quit, she was called upon the lower 48 to lead the revolution? What the **** is wrong with these people?

She'll be Palin's press secretary. :eek:

[kavika411]

Will Gibbs be performing all week?

[obeygiant]

Will Gibbs be performing all week?

I think he tap-dances too. :D

[kavika411]

I think he tap-dances too. :D

Thanks for the heads up. Had no idea.

By my math, Palin mocked Obama for using a public speaking crutch, and now Gibbs has mocked Palin for using a public speaking crutch. I am hopeful Glenn Beck will mock Gibbs for using a public speaking crutch. And then perhaps Kevin Bacon can go after Beck and then truly, I say unto you, we will verify that all things lead to Kevin Bacon.

[awmazz]

6 key topics.

They are reminders to make sure she doesn't forget them at the key moment in time when she is under pressure.

Everyone is likey to falter when they are put under pressure and the spot light is on them, doing something like this helps ease the mind as you know there is a back up and you are enabling yourself to not screw up.

I'm sorry but this was sensible from Palin, perhaps she could've done this in a more discrete method.

I'll be sure to write the most important issues I believe in down so I don't forget them either if I want your vote. They are, after all, very important to me. Sure they are. Really... ;)

[Thomas Veil]

I know Pamela Geller was there just to generate some political fireworks, but Christ, that wasn't spin, that was outright crazy talk. Palin was called to the lower 48? Ron Reagan's dad would've loved Palin? Oh, sure! :rolleyes:

And Beck? Oh dear lord. Today my boss sent me on an errand, and while I was driving I listened to a little of Beck's radio show. He was trying to make some kind of point...I think it was a point...about Obama and health care, but he never got around to it because he was lost in juvenile snickering, mockery, and fake stuttering. It was so third grade.

[obeygiant]

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/showbiz/2010/02/09/joy.pres.palin.cnn?hpt=T2

What has been seen cannot be unseen!

Actually I could only get through the first 2 minutes.

[KingYaba]

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2010/02/gibbs-palin-sg-cropped-proto-custom_2.jpg

Stay classy Gibbs. :rolleyes:

[brendu]

This woman needs to shut up and go away. She is nothing but a liar.

uhh.. newsflash bro... EVERY politician on earth is a liar.. every single one... they are all egotistical maniacs who do not care about you at all, they only care about power. No honest, caring person would ever become a politician, because either they wouldn't want to, or people would not vote for them because they wont lie and tell you they will do what you want, even when they know they wont.

palin, hillary, barack, mccain, bush, bill, al, dick... all of them are liars... and there is NOTHING we can do about it.

[fivepoint]

uhh.. newsflash bro... EVERY politician on earth is a liar.. every single one... they are all egotistical maniacs who do not care about you at all, they only care about power. No honest, caring person would ever become a politician, because either they wouldn't want to, or people would not vote for them because they wont lie and tell you they will do what you want, even when they know they wont.

palin, hillary, barack, mccain, bush, bill, al, dick... all of them are liars... and there is NOTHING we can do about it.

RON PAUL. The most principled voting record of any congressmen... and the last thing he would ever want is power. In fact, the majority of the stuff he would do as president would dramatically reduce the power of the presidency and of the congress... returning power to the states as was outlined in the Constitution of the United States.

[NT1440]

RON PAUL. The most principled voting record of any congressmen... and the last thing he would ever want is power. In fact, the majority of the stuff he would do as president would dramatically reduce the power of the presidency and of the congress... returning power to the states as was outlined in the Constitution of the United States.

But as Lee has pointed out several times, Paul's leadership approach would leave the doors wide open for things like the tyranny of the majority.

[yg17]

But as Lee has pointed out several times, Paul's leadership approach would leave the doors wide open for things like the tyranny of the majority.

And don't forget his views on gay marriage and sodomy laws which are just more big government trying to legislate what two consenting adults do in their bedroom.

[NT1440]

And don't forget his views on gay marriage and sodomy laws which are just more big government trying to legislate what two consenting adults do in their bedroom.

Exactly what I was getting at. A practically full out "let the states decide" type of leadership isn't leadership at all.

[yg17]

Exactly what I was getting at. A practically full out "let the states decide" type of leadership isn't leadership at all.

"Let the states decide" is the biggest cop out in the land. It's basically a way of saying that "I hold an unpopular opinion on that, but I'm too much of a coward to actually say it"

Some things should be left up to the state and local governments. It shouldn't take an act of congress to repair a pothole on my street. But other things need to be handled on a federal level. All Americans should have the same rights regardless of what state they live in.

[NT1440]

"Let the states decide" is the biggest cop out in the land. It's basically a way of saying that "I hold an unpopular opinion on that, but I'm too much of a coward to actually say it"


I disagree, while it's very common it is used as a cop out, the notion does have some standing. I agree that it shouldn't take the federal government to get a pothole fixed, there's no way it should get that involved.

Certain things, such as civil rights, MUST be upheld at the federal level because otherwise the will of the majority can be used to take away the rights (or as we currently see, denial of rights) of various minorities.

[hulugu]

Yeah, I wouldn't expect Obama or any educated person to answer some of the loaded questions he's asked without pauses. He's thinking his answer through. He's not like republicans who just blurt out buzzwords like "Tax cuts!", "socialism!", "Ronald Reagan!", "9/11!" and "Patriotic Americans!" whenever asked a tough question.

I've thought similarly. When Obama speaks, I feel like he's thinking about what he's saying, meanwhile, there are speakers on the right and left who are basically playing political bingo, jumping from buzzword to buzzword and hoping if they say it passionately enough, no one will notice it's mostly empty rhetoric.

I disagree, while it's very common it is used as a cop out, the notion does have some standing. I agree that it shouldn't take the federal government to get a pothole fixed, there's no way it should get that involved.

Certain things, such as civil rights, MUST be upheld at the federal level because otherwise the will of the majority can be used to take away the rights (or as we currently see, denial of rights) of various minorities.

The problem with the States Rights argument is firstly, it's a dog whistle. While it sounds like a benign notion, it was also used as a cover for anti-Civil Rights arguments. So, I tend to be distrustful of the phrasing. Additionally, the argument has significant problems when it's applied where its adherents would like it to be. In the case of gay marriage, the phrase means that reciprocity between states marriages will become increasingly complicated. I could see a future in which a marriage license becomes similar to a bar association, in order to be legally married a couple will be forced to license that marriage in each state. Such is the logical conclusion of California marriages not being acknowledged by Utah, for example.


Tell you the truth, I go to a pretty great university, and while we do a lot of presentations using powerpoint slides, the ones where we don't we are encouraged to do without notes. If you're speaking to someone about a topic you are passionate about you shouldn't need tips...

Exactly. I just spent an hour talking about normative theory as it relates to multiple political structures throughout the world, and it was a topic I choose last week. I just stood up at the dais and yammered.

[rdowns]

RON PAUL. The most principled voting record of any congressmen... and the last thing he would ever want is power. In fact, the majority of the stuff he would do as president would dramatically reduce the power of the presidency and of the congress... returning power to the states as was outlined in the Constitution of the United States.


Please. If you think the Republicans or Democrat can be obstructionist, wait until Ron Paul is President and both parties are aligned against him.

Ron Paul is a nutter, BTW.

[yg17]

Please. If you think the Republicans or Democrat can be obstructionist, wait until Ron Paul is President and both parties are aligned against him.

Ron Paul is a nutter, BTW.

If you think nothing gets done now with half of congress against the president, just wait until the entire congress is against the president.

And then Ron will jump from the small government ship and start rubber stamping everything the republicans in congress do because he'll want their support for re-election.

[Desertrat]

hulugu, if Obama is thinking or has given thought during all this unending salesmanship of the unsellable, he wouldn't need that silly teleprompter which has given him the title of TOTUS. But the poor fella doesn't have time to think, really; he's too busy talking.

As far as Palin, there's a rather large difference between a few cues on one's hand vs. having one's entire shtick provided by an electronic brain. But, I guess if you have the electronic brain close by, you don't really need to think.

[toontra]

As far as Palin, there's a rather large difference between a few cues on one's hand vs. having one's entire shtick provided by an electronic brain. But, I guess if you have the electronic brain close by, you don't really need to think.

Obama was giving a lengthy speech - quite normal to use a teleprompter. Palin was being interviewed, the questions pre-arranged softballs which themselves acted as prompts. If she can't handle that without a crib-sheet she deserves not to be taken seriously.

[rdowns]

hulugu, if Obama is thinking or has given thought during all this unending salesmanship of the unsellable, he wouldn't need that silly teleprompter which has given him the title of TOTUS. But the poor fella doesn't have time to think, really; he's too busy talking.

As far as Palin, there's a rather large difference between a few cues on one's hand vs. having one's entire shtick provided by an electronic brain. But, I guess if you have the electronic brain close by, you don't really need to think.


While an impromptu Obama is far from perfect, he has gotten better. He's just so damn careful as if he's afraid to say the wrong thing. If you don't buy that, I suggest you watch him pwn the Republicans last week at their breakfast Q&A.

As for Palin, come on. What she wrote were her 3 key issues, the same talking points she's been doing since she was tapped to be McCain's running mate. That was just flat out embarrassing.

[hulugu]

hulugu, if Obama is thinking or has given thought during all this unending salesmanship of the unsellable, he wouldn't need that silly teleprompter which has given him the title of TOTUS. But the poor fella doesn't have time to think, really; he's too busy talking.....

I disagree. You're acting as if the teleprompter is some new-fangled device that was just invested last year, but it's been around for decades.

Obama's use to the device to field questions during his "Race to the Top" event looked ridiculous, but go watch him speak at Town Halls or other "off-the-cuff" events and you'll see someone who is capable to speaking clearly without the device.

Bush was able to do it, but even with the teleprompter he still made some of his most famous malapropisms. Other presidents have also fluctuated between being clear and precise speakers and faltering, stammering ones.

[mcrain]

hulugu, if Bushis thinking or has given thought during all this unending salesmanship of the unsellable, he wouldn't need that silly teleprompter which has given him the title of WARMONGER. But the poor fella doesn't have time to think, really; he's too busy talking.

Let me fix that for ya...

http://www.september11news.com/PresidentBushUN.htm

GWB used a teleprompter when talking to the UN about 9/11.

[Zombie Acorn]

GWB obviously should have used a teleprompter a little more often. Then again some of his speeches might be able to go into a comedic box set later in life.

[mcrain]

GWB obviously should have used a teleprompter a little more often. Then again some of his speeches might be able to go into a comedic box set later in life.

Actually, GWB preferred not to use a teleprompter because he wasn't very good at using them. He tended to get distracted and lose his place. He preferred to use large index cards and/or cue cards.

His speeches were just as scripted as his father's, Reagan's, Clinton's or Obama's, he just chose to use cards instead of a teleprompter.

The scary thing is that the method he chose was his "better" method. He truly was a poor public speaker.

[greygray]

That's shameful enough for a "politician". :rolleyes:

[paddy]

What's wrong with using a teleprompter anyway? Is he supposed to learn off his speeches or something?? Great use of time that would be.

[Desertrat]

Aw, looking at the "Peter Principle", Bush hit his upper limit with his governorship. Trouble was, his presidential campaign opponents had exceeded theirs in their senatorships. "It didn't get better with age" in 2008. I'm tired of holding my nose and voting for the lesser of two weevils. Cornbread's still messed up.

When speechifying, the idea is to have the subject matter down cold. Any reference material--3x5 cue cards, e.g.--are just reminders as to the various points to cover, and maybe a cutesie line or two for effect. If you don't have the subject matter down cold, don't speechify.

Sometimes, of course, you have no choice but to read. :) The Texas Land Commissioner was to give a five-page speech at a Corps of Engineers public hearing in New Orleans. He couldn't make it, and I got sent in. Sorta like sending the water-boy to quarterbacking in the Super Bowl. So here I am, a little peon facing a stage full of Brass'n'Bigwigs, and maybe 200 movers and shakers. Thank the Lord I'm a speed-reader, a good scan-memory and able to control stage fright. :D

But if you're a big wheel, you're already supposed to have it cold without needing much outside help.

[Eraserhead]

^^ Gore would have been fine.

[joepunk]

All of this handwriting is bringing back memories of Arnold Rimmer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Rimmer) and his attempt to cheat on the Astronavigation Exam, required to become an officer on Red Dwarf, by writing the answers all over his arms and legs :D

[CaptMurdock]

All of this handwriting is bringing back memories of Arnold Rimmer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Rimmer) and his attempt to cheat on the Astronavigation Exam, required to become an officer on Red Dwarf, by writing the answers all over his arms and legs :D

Maybe Palin will crack, repeat "I am a fish" 400 times, do a funny little dance and collapse at the next TeaBagger convention. :D

[mactastic]

Palin was caught this one time with 'crib notes'. Barack Obama can't seem to udder a single word without the use of a teleprompter... even using them to speak to a bunch of elementary age children. Neither issue being serious, but resulting in neither individual inspiring much confidence I'm afraid...
What do you suppose this guy is looking at here?
http://img.youtube.com/vi/-vLV4jn8BMU/0.jpg

It would appear that he can't even speak to his own collegues without the aid of notes. Alas, he isn't inspiring much confidence I'm afraid. Except among those who see him as a celebrity who holds all the hope and change for the future...

Its hard to take people seriously who cry about people criticizing Obama bowing one second and then post stuff like this that doesn't matter. Its not unusual for people to jot down notes for a speech or q/a. Palin isn't exactly an illusive target to nail without putting crap like this up.
It would be a complete non-issue if Palin -- and conservatives generally -- hadn't made such a big stink about Obama using notes to get through speeches.

If you're going to criticize someone for doing something, you'd best not be caught doing it yourself...

[yg17]

Palin was caught this one time with 'crib notes'. Barack Obama can't seem to udder a single word without the use of a teleprompter... even using them to speak to a bunch of elementary age children. Neither issue being serious, but resulting in neither individual inspiring much confidence I'm afraid...

That is a lie. Obama was at the school and did not use a teleprompter when speaking to and answering questions from children. He later gave a speech to the press pool at the school and used the teleprompter.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/photos/6thgrade.asp

[mactastic]

That is a lie. Obama was at the school and did not use a teleprompter when speaking to and answering questions from children. He later gave a speech to the press pool at the school and used the teleprompter.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/photos/6thgrade.asp

How dare you question a wingnut 'fact'?

I'm still curious as to how you "udder" a word though.

[Rt&Dzine]

How dare you question a wingnut 'fact'?

I'm still curious as to how you "udder" a word though.

No . . . please . . . don't post that picture of the giant udder!!! Or at least make it smaller. :D

[IntheNet]

It would be a complete non-issue if Palin -- and conservatives generally -- hadn't made such a big stink about Obama using notes to get through speeches...

We just assumed that a Harvard-grad would be able to greet elementary students (and the press) without prepared notes and double-teleprompter setup. Guess we were wrong...

http://i48.tinypic.com/vr58q9.jpg

But a former governor scribbling notes on her hand makes her evil-incarnate to liberals....

[yg17]

We just assumed that a Harvard-grad would be able to greet elementary students (and the press) without prepared notes and double-teleprompter setup. Guess we were wrong...

http://i48.tinypic.com/vr58q9.jpg

But a former governor scribbling notes on her hand makes her evil-incarnate to liberals....

That is a lie. Obama was at the school and did not use a teleprompter when speaking to and answering questions from children. He later gave a speech to the press pool at the school and used the teleprompter.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/photos/6thgrade.asp

Are you unable to read or do you just ignore facts that go against your political agenda?

[freeny]

List of things Republicans should never get caught doing again-

1- use a teleprompter
2- win a Nobel peace prize
3- add a government job
4- aide another country in a time of need
5- get a blow job

feel free to expand on this...

[bobber205]

We just assumed that a Harvard-grad would be able to greet elementary students (and the press) without prepared notes and double-teleprompter setup. Guess we were wrong...

http://i48.tinypic.com/vr58q9.jpg

But a former governor scribbling notes on her hand makes her evil-incarnate to liberals....

Teleprompter = tools of ALL professional politicians.
Hands = crutch of people who don't know what they're doing... that wouldn't be accepted in any college class let alone in the "real world".

What's worse is she mocks Obama for using a teleprompter. And the stuff she wrote on her hands? My god. How could she NOT remember that? Is that she "retarded" (I use that in a parody sense, which is ok because Palin said so).

If Palin wasn't attractive, she would have gotten NOWHERE. That's at least partially true to alot of politicians.

[Eraserhead]

If Palin wasn't attractive, she would have gotten NOWHERE. That's at least partially true to alot of politicians.

If Palin wasn't a Republican she'd have gotten nowhere. If she was a democrat airhead she'd have been completely blown away.

[Peterkro]

If Palin wasn't attractive, she would have gotten NOWHERE. That's at least partially true to alot of politicians.

I don't get this in what possible way is Palin attractive.

[freeny]

I don't get this in what possible way is Palin attractive.

Some find her attractive.

[Eraserhead]

Some find her attractive.

I think she's fairly pretty :o. Its her only redeeming feature.

[mactastic]

We just assumed that a Harvard-grad would be able to greet elementary students (and the press) without prepared notes and double-teleprompter setup. Guess we were wrong...

http://i48.tinypic.com/vr58q9.jpg

But a former governor scribbling notes on her hand makes her evil-incarnate to liberals....
LOL... typical rethug BS. Your "facts" are demonstrated to be lies, you you brazenly keep using them hoping no one will notice. By the way, I notice Yalies can't manage to talk without a 'prompter either...

This is as stupid of a line of GOP attack as the whole "but he's a celebrity" whine y'all pushed. And the whole "pallin' around with terrorists" thing too.

List of things Republicans should never get caught doing again-

1- use a teleprompter
2- win a Nobel peace prize
3- add a government job
4- aide another country in a time of need
5- get a blow job

feel free to expand on this...
Rooting for the US to host the Olympics.
Bailing out a corporate crony.
Negotiating legislative details behind closed doors.
Engaging in bare-knuckle political tactics.
Increasing the size of government.
Disagreeing with military commanders.
Enjoy celebrity status.
Take credit for jobs created by the stimulus bill.
Criticizing the commander in chief during a time of war.

[yg17]

http://www.historyplace.com/speeches/speechgfx/reagan-parliament3.jpg

How dare Ronald Reagan use a teleprompter!

[bobber205]

I don't get this in what possible way is Palin attractive.

I don't find her particularly attractive, but she technically has the attributes that might make her attractive. To some people.

[Eraserhead]

Even GWB used a teleprompter:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/SOU2007.jpg

In fact he has two!

[mactastic]

It's also notable that Palin was referring to notes during what is ostensibly an off-the-cuff Q&A session with a friendly (worshipful?) audience, which at least strongly suggests that she had access to the questions ahead of time.

Which begs the question, if she can't handle a friendly crowd without her Alaskan Palm Pilot, how will she handle negotiating with the Saudis or other folks? Saying 'I'll have to get back to you on that" isn't going to cut it...

[IntheNet]

List of things Republicans should never get caught doing again-

1- use a teleprompter
2- win a Nobel peace prize
3- add a government job
4- aide another country in a time of need
5- get a blow job

feel free to expand on this...

6- bowing to foreign leaders
7- apologizing for America
8- terrorizing New Yorkers with Air Force 1
9- bankrupting the nation
10- appointing left wing zealots as czars

If Palin wasn't attractive, she would have gotten NOWHERE...

That's very sexist to allege she achieved her success based on her appearance.

Let's see... Mayor, Alaska Gas/Petroleum Board Chairwoman, Governor, Vice-Presidential Candidate, NYT Best-Selling Author... yeah that's "NOWHERE" to be sure...

[Sky Blue]

6- bowing to foreign leaders

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/ZZ72682359.jpg


9- bankrupting the nation


http://www.dgranthaynes.com/blogcfm/1/custom/bush_moron.jpg

[mactastic]

That's very sexist to allege she achieved her success based on her appearance.
Amazing how quick conservatives are to go to the 'sexism' well, after criticizing Hillary Clinton for going there.

Oh wait, that's SOP. IOKIYAR...

[Rt&Dzine]

That's very sexist to allege she achieved her success based on her appearance.

Let's see... Mayor, Alaska Gas/Petroleum Board Chairwoman, Governor, Vice-Presidential Candidate, NYT Best-Selling Author... yeah that's "NOWHERE" to be sure...

No one said that the accomplishments equal "nowhere." They said she wouldn't have accomplished them without her looks. And quitting her job in mid-stream to become a celebrity isn't exactly an admirable accomplishment.

[mactastic]

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/ZZ72682359.jpg


9- bankrupting the nation


http://www.dgranthaynes.com/blogcfm/1/custom/bush_moron.jpg
Apologizing for America.. (http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/05/20/bush.quran/index.html).
Al-Maliki's office on Tuesday said Bush issued an apology for the action on behalf of the United States and "promised to present the soldier to the courts." The office said Bush made the apology in a call to al-Maliki on Tuesday morning.

[rdowns]

LOL. Nice to see you back mactastic.

[IntheNet]

No one said that the accomplishments equal "nowhere." They said she wouldn't have accomplished them without her looks.

And they are wrong.

And quitting her job in mid-stream to become a celebrity isn't exactly an admirable accomplishment.

Former Governor Palin's success is an inspiration to every Alaskan and every woman in the nation. Everywhere she goes thousands turn out to see her, shake her hand, and be in her presence. The fact that she is a both a successful politician and a successful businesswoman, pro-life, pro-gun, and pro-family disappoints and irritates only liberals and progressives who condemn her despite what she does....

[mactastic]

Oh noes... Reagan apologized for America (http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=799&dat=19880705&id=nuAhAAAAIBAJ&sjid=hFcEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6580,328676)too! Not the God-President himself! Say it ain't so...

Just more proof that these kinds of complaints are motivated more by hatred of liberals generally and Obama specifically, than by any kind of intellectually consistent basis.

[skunk]

Nice to see you back, and in such fine form, Mr M.

[Zombie Acorn]

Oh noes... Reagan apologized for America (http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=799&dat=19880705&id=nuAhAAAAIBAJ&sjid=hFcEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6580,328676)too! Not the God-President himself! Say it ain't so...

Just more proof that these kinds of complaints are motivated more by hatred of liberals generally and Obama specifically, than by any kind of intellectually consistent basis.

We shot down a commercial airliner, I would say that warrants an apology.

[Rt&Dzine]

And they are wrong.

Probably not.


pro-life, pro-gun, and pro-family

Funny. :)

[mactastic]

We shot down a commercial airliner, I would say that warrants an apology.
Doesn't matter. Did Reagan, or did he not, apologize for something the US did? If it's weakness for Obama to apologize, why isn't it weakness when Reagan or 43 does it?

As a side note, 41 did not apologize for America, and said specifically that he would never do so regardless of the facts. Seems like he'd be the conservative hero, but I guess taxes trumps apologies...

[paddy]

We shot down a commercial airliner, I would say that warrants an apology.

So does invading other countries.

[Zombie Acorn]

Doesn't matter. Did Reagan, or did he not, apologize for something the US did? It's it's weakness for Obama to apologize, why isn't it weakness when Reagan or 43 does it?

As a side note, 41 did not apologize for America, and said specifically that he would never do so regardless of the facts. Seems like he'd be the conservative hero, but I guess taxes trumps apologies...

There is a difference between apologizing for an incident and apologizing for being Americans. The common American is proud to be American, many European emphasize our downfalls and forget how much good we do for the world.

[mactastic]

There is a difference between apologizing for an incident and apologizing for being Americans. The common American is proud to be American, many European emphasize our downfalls and forget how much good we do for the world.
Are you suggesting that Obama has apologized for "being American"?

[skunk]

There is a difference between apologizing for an incident and apologizing for being Americans.Why would Obama apologise for being American? Isn't he from Kenya?

[Zombie Acorn]

Are you suggesting that Obama has apologized for "being American"?

That is the sentiment from his apology tour.

Why would Obama apologise for being American? Isn't he from Kenya?

One of these days you'll need some new lines.

So does invading other countries.

Did Brown go on a world apology tour for the UK's involvement in Iraq once taking office?

[rdowns]

Are you suggesting that Obama has apologized for "being American"?


Why would he do that? He's from Kenyan. :confused:


EDIT: LOL. Beaten to it by skunk.

[mactastic]

That is the sentiment from his apology tour.
Link please.

[skunk]

Did Brown go on a world apology tour for the UK's involvement in Iraq once taking office?Relevance? Brown was part of the Administration which ordered the invasion.

[paddy]

Did Brown go on a world apology tour for the UK's involvement in Iraq once taking office?

He should. You're not going to see any arguments to the contrary from me.

[Zombie Acorn]

Relevance? Brown was part of the Administration which ordered the invasion.

I was just told we needed to apologize for invading countries, I assumed the UK would be part of this group needing to apologize.

[bobber205]

We've messed up alot in the last decade.

We have ALOT to apologize for.

[IntheNet]

Are you suggesting that Obama has apologized for "being American"?

Yes.

The President's Apology Tour
The Wall Street Journal
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124044156269345357.html
President Barack Obama has finished the second leg of his international confession tour. In less than 100 days, he has apologized on three continents for what he views as the sins of America and his predecessors.

We've messed up alot in the last decade.

We have ALOT to apologize for.

When I salute the flag and view this nation I am quite proud of it; American exceptionalism is something of which to be proud. I see nothing for which this nation needs apologize.

[bobber205]

Yes.

The President's Apology Tour
The Wall Street Journal
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124044156269345357.html
President Barack Obama has finished the second leg of his international confession tour. In less than 100 days, he has apologized on three continents for what he views as the sins of America and his predecessors.

Can you post something that ISN'T an opinion piece for once?
Why is that almost all you post? Do you believe if someone has the same opinion as you, then it has to be fact?

[Zombie Acorn]

We've messed up alot in the last decade.

We have ALOT to apologize for.

We also have a lot that we did for the world that isn't recognized.

[mactastic]

Yes.

The President's Apology Tour
The Wall Street Journal
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124044156269345357.html
President Barack Obama has finished the second leg of his international confession tour. In less than 100 days, he has apologized on three continents for what he views as the sins of America and his predecessors.
LOL... Come on, you can't do any better than a Karl Rove hit piece from the WSJ opinion section?

Bzzzzzzt! Try again!

[IntheNet]

Can you post something that ISN'T an opinion piece for once?

I believe this is a Discussion Board; opinion is what constitutes discussion. Could you post an answer to what we need apologize for as a nation ? Where have we "messed up" in your opinion?

Do you believe if someone has the same opinion as you, then it has to be fact?

Politics is heavily constituted by opinion; matter of fact opinion is what drives politics. Therefore those who opinion I share I use to validate my political opinion.

[mactastic]

We also have a lot that we did for the world that isn't recognized.
Come on man, wheres the link to Obama apologizing? And it's gotta be straight from the horses mouth, so to speak, just like what you demanded of the waterboarding quote. No heresay or unquoted text. Let's see these apologies (you did say it was a tour, right? That should make your job much easier. ) in black and white.

If you have them.

[mactastic]

Politics is heavily constituted by opinion; matter of fact opinion is what drives politics. Therefore those who opinion I share I use to validate my political opinion.
LOLZ. I suppose you'll repeat this line if I cite Michael Moore as an authority on health care?

Of course you will...

[Zombie Acorn]

Come on man, wheres the link to Obama apologizing? And it's gotta be straight from the horses mouth, so to speak, just like what you demanded of the waterboarding quote. No heresay or unquoted text. Let's see these apologies (you did say it was a tour, right? That should make your job much easier. ) in black and white.

If you have them.

I said it was the sentiment of his apology tour, the tour itself is not under question, most lefts say that we "needed to do it". So either you don't know what "sentiment" means or you are just rambling on some more for the hell of it.

[mactastic]

I said it was the sentiment of his apology tour, the tour itself is not under question, most lefts say that we "needed to do it". So either you don't know what "sentiment" means or you are just rambling on some more for the hell of it.

Par for the course for you. You always have some far-right slander handy for Obama, then when asked to back it up, you slink off into some 'meaning of is is" platitude and avoid providing any proof for your claim.

But if it's one word about torture, boy you're ready to move heaven and earth, contact any news organization necessary to confirm your worldview.

[bobber205]

I believe this is a Discussion Board; opinion is what constitutes discussion. Could you post an answer to what we need apologize for as a nation ? Where have we "messed up" in your opinion?



Politics is heavily constituted by opinion; matter of fact opinion is what drives politics. Therefore those who opinion I share I use to validate my political opinion.

But opinions cannot be used to validate or misconstrue facts.

[skunk]

I was just told we needed to apologize for invading countries, I assumed the UK would be part of this group needing to apologize.The UK has much to apologise for. I have no difficulty acknowledging that.

[Eraserhead]

The UK has much to apologise for. I have no difficulty acknowledging that.

Same here, whether it is worth apologising for stuff that happened a long time ago (say >100 years ago) is the only thing discussed here in the UK.

[skunk]

Same here, whether it is worth apologising for stuff that happened a long time ago (say >100 years ago) is the only thing discussed here in the UK.Yea, we're really sorry for burning down the White House in 1812, OK? It was very mean of us.

[rdowns]

Yes.

The President's Apology Tour
The Wall Street Journal
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124044156269345357.html
President Barack Obama has finished the second leg of his international confession tour. In less than 100 days, he has apologized on three continents for what he views as the sins of America and his predecessors.



When I salute the flag and view this nation I am quite proud of it; American exceptionalism is something of which to be proud. I see nothing for which this nation needs apologize.

Do you understand the difference between opinion and news stories? I don't think you do because you post opinion pieces as fact all the time. I know, it's harder and harder to find news articles that agree with your minority opinion of the world.

As for you link, here's a sample of the crap they spout in it?

Mr. Obama told the French (the French!) that America "has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive" toward Europe. In Prague, he said America has "a moral responsibility to act" on arms control because only the U.S. had "used a nuclear weapon." In London, he said that decisions about the world financial system were no longer made by "just Roosevelt and Churchill sitting in a room with a brandy" -- as if that were a bad thing. And in Latin America, he said the U.S. had not "pursued and sustained engagement with our neighbors" because we "f

[.Andy]

- as if that were a bad thing.

[Eraserhead]

- as if that were a bad thing.

Well quite, I think its a sign of maturity to apologise for your mistakes.

[rdowns]

Well quite, I think its a sign of maturity to apologise for your mistakes.

They're not interested in correcting mistakes. Part of their strategy is to just make **** up. All they care about is ideology.

[Eraserhead]

All they care about is ideology.

Sounds familiar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_North_Korea).

[mactastic]

...most lefts say that we "needed to do it".
I realize that this is probably futile, that in a couple of posts you'll be telling me "well, that was the sentiment of the left, I never claimed they actually SAID the things I accused them of saying", but link please. Show me where "most lefts" said we "needed" to go on an apology tour.

Can you? Or will you weasel out of backing up this claim too? I know where my money is...

As for you link, here's a sample of the crap they spout in it?
And who is the author of that piece? Karl Rove. And we're supposed to take that as objective fact?

Badandy would have steam coming from hs ears if a lefty tried to pull this.

[Eraserhead]

Badandy would have steam coming from hs ears if a lefty tried to pull this.

And quite right too.

[mactastic]

And quite right too.
Indeed.

The idea that one can substitute opinion for fact is preposterous, and only goes to show the weakness of the argument proposed.

And as of yet, I'm the only person who has provided proof of presidents apologizing for American. And none of them were Barack Hussein Obama. I'm still waiting for our esteemed collegues on the right to provide even a shred of evidence that Obama went on an "apology tour", or that he even apologized for something America has done.

Like most of their claims, I suspect this one will be proven to be a lie. Also.

[rdowns]

Was this an apology?

In recent years, we've allowed our alliance to drift. I know that there have been honest disagreements over policy, but we also know that there's something more that has crept into our relationship. In America, there's a failure to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world. But in Europe, there is an anti-Americanism that is at once casual, but can also be insidious. Instead of recognizing the good that America so often does in the world, there have been times where Europeans choose to blame America for much of what's bad.

How about this?

The United States of America did not choose to fight a war in Afghanistan. We were attacked by an Al Qaeda network that killed thousands on American soil, including French and Germans. Along the border of Afghanistan and Pakistan, those terrorists are still plotting today. And if there is another Al Qaeda attack, it is just as likely if not more that it will be here in Europe, in a European city. So I've made a commitment to Afghanistan, and I've asked our NATO partners for more civilian and military support and assistance. We do this with a clear purpose, to root out the terrorists who threaten all of us.

[mactastic]

Was this an apology?
No.

How about this?
And no.

Still waiting...

[IntheNet]

I'm still waiting for our esteemed collegues on the right to provide even a shred of evidence that Obama went on an "apology tour", or that he even apologized for something America has done.

:rolleyes:

Obama Apologizes to Europe
http://pdberger.com/obama-apologizes-to-europe/
“In America, there is a failure to appreciate Europe’s leading role in the world,” he said in a prepared speech delivered before a campaign-style town hall meeting in which he took questions from mainly French and German students. “Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.”
Obama, Rhenus Sports Arena, Strasbourg, April 3rd, 2009
Reference: Telegraph (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyharnden/9373561/Big_transatlantic_moment_as_Barack_Obama_bemoans_arrogance_of_US_and_insidious_antiAmericanism_of_Eu rope/)

Barack Obama: 'arrogant US has been dismissive' to allies
President Barack Obama has offered an apology for the Bush era, declaring that America had “shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive” towards its allies.
By Toby Harnden in Strasbourg/Telegraph
Published: 3:06PM BST 03 Apr 2009
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5100338/Barack-Obama-arrogant-US-has-been-dismissive-to-allies.html
President Obama said the US had “failed to appreciate Europe’s leading role in the world”. His speech in Strasbourg went further than any United States president in history in criticising his own country’s action while standing on foreign soil.

[yg17]

And where did Obama use the word "apologize" or "sorry" or anything else that may seem like an apology? What you posted is not an apology.

[beatzfreak]

There is a difference between apologizing for an incident and apologizing for being Americans. The common American is proud to be American, many European emphasize our downfalls and forget how much good we do for the world.

Originally Posted by Obama
In recent years, we've allowed our alliance to drift. I know that there have been honest disagreements over policy, but we also know that there's something more that has crept into our relationship. In America, there's a failure to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world. But in Europe, there is an anti-Americanism that is at once casual, but can also be insidious. Instead of recognizing the good that America so often does in the world, there have been times where Europeans choose to blame America for much of what's bad.

Interesting.

[mactastic]

:rolleyes:

Obama Apologizes to Europe
http://pdberger.com/obama-apologizes-to-europe/
“In America, there is a failure to appreciate Europe’s leading role in the world,” he said in a prepared speech delivered before a campaign-style town hall meeting in which he took questions from mainly French and German students. “Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.”
Obama, Rhenus Sports Arena, Strasbourg, April 3rd, 2009
Reference: Telegraph (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyharnden/9373561/Big_transatlantic_moment_as_Barack_Obama_bemoans_arrogance_of_US_and_insidious_antiAmericanism_of_Eu rope/)

Barack Obama: 'arrogant US has been dismissive' to allies
President Barack Obama has offered an apology for the Bush era, declaring that America had “shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive” towards its allies.
By Toby Harnden in Strasbourg/Telegraph
Published: 3:06PM BST 03 Apr 2009
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5100338/Barack-Obama-arrogant-US-has-been-dismissive-to-allies.html
President Obama said the US had “failed to appreciate Europe’s leading role in the world”. His speech in Strasbourg went further than any United States president in history in criticising his own country’s action while standing on foreign soil.
The only place I see "apology" in that quote is from the author of the article. You gotta do better than that.

I'd also note that even if we accept this as an apology (which I don't), you would have to show a repeated pattern of this to constitute a "tour". And as a further note, you're once again attempting to pass off opinion as fact. Seems to be a common pattern with you.

Best of luck with that...

Edit: And even if you managed to find Obama apologizing for America, you still have to explain how it's acceptable for Shrub and Ray-gun to apologize for America, but not for Obama to do so.

[rdowns]

:rolleyes:

Obama Apologizes to Europe
http://pdberger.com/obama-apologizes-to-europe/
“In America, there is a failure to appreciate Europe’s leading role in the world,” he said in a prepared speech delivered before a campaign-style town hall meeting in which he took questions from mainly French and German students. “Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.”
Obama, Rhenus Sports Arena, Strasbourg, April 3rd, 2009
Reference: Telegraph (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyharnden/9373561/Big_transatlantic_moment_as_Barack_Obama_bemoans_arrogance_of_US_and_insidious_antiAmericanism_of_Eu rope/)

And? Is it not true? It is hardly an apology.

Barack Obama: 'arrogant US has been dismissive' to allies
President Barack Obama has offered an apology for the Bush era, declaring that America had “shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive” towards its allies.
By Toby Harnden in Strasbourg/Telegraph
Published: 3:06PM BST 03 Apr 2009
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5100338/Barack-Obama-arrogant-US-has-been-dismissive-to-allies.html
President Obama said the US had “failed to appreciate Europe’s leading role in the world”. His speech in Strasbourg went further than any United States president in history in criticising his own country’s action while standing on foreign soil.


And? Is it not true? Opinion.

[IntheNet]

I'd also note that even if we accept this as an apology (which I don't), you would have to show a repeated pattern of this to constitute a "tour".

Almost every European news outlet saw and reported Obama's comments in Strasbourg as an "apology" - I cited the Telepgraph in response to your specific request for a "shred of proof" (your words). Secondly, Obama's Cairo Address was widely reported internationally and domestically as an apology (see Op Ed analysis: Boston Herald (http://news.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view.bg?articleid=1149090&srvc=home&position=emailed), US News & World Report (http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/god-and-country/2009/06/02/mitt-romney-on-obamas-cairo-speech-no-apologies)). Moreover, for any leader to criticise his own country’s action while standing on foreign soil (Ref: Strasbourg speech) then offer an alternative path, as Obama did, constitutes an apology. Denial of it seems a stretch you're making for partisan aims.

[yg17]

Almost every European news outlet saw and reported Obama's comments in Strasbourg as an "apology" - I cited the Telepgraph in response to your specific request for a "shred of proof" (your words). Secondly, Obama's Cairo Address was widely reported internationally and domestically as an apology (see Op Ed analysis: Boston Herald (http://news.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view.bg?articleid=1149090&srvc=home&position=emailed), US News & World Report (http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/god-and-country/2009/06/02/mitt-romney-on-obamas-cairo-speech-no-apologies)). Moreover, for any leader to criticise his own country’s action while standing on foreign soil (Ref: Strasbourg speech) then offer an alternative path, as Obama did, constitutes an apology. Denial of it seems a stretch you're making for partisan aims.

Therein lies your problem. You must not know what the "Op" in "Op Ed" comes from. Some jerkoff's opinion printed in a newspaper column is not necessarily a fact.

Obama could clog up the White House toilet after eating Taco Bell and some "journalist" can write about it in their column, claiming that Obama must hate America because he disrespected the White House by clogging up the john with what was once Mexican food and you people on the right would eat it up and try to claim it's a fact and that he really does hate America.

[CaptMurdock]

Almost every European news outlet saw and reported Obama's comments in Strasbourg as an "apology" - I cited the Telepgraph in response to your specific request for a "shred of proof" (your words). Secondly, Obama's Cairo Address was widely reported internationally and domestically as an apology (see Op Ed analysis: Boston Herald (http://news.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view.bg?articleid=1149090&srvc=home&position=emailed), US News & World Report (http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/god-and-country/2009/06/02/mitt-romney-on-obamas-cairo-speech-no-apologies)). Moreover, for any leader to criticise his own country’s action while standing on foreign soil (Ref: Strasbourg speech) then offer an alternative path, as Obama did, constitutes an apology. Denial of it seems a stretch you're making for partisan aims.

The denial here is you not accepting that your boy Bush damaged us in the eyes of the world. Your denial that this means anything is the stretch for partisan aims that I see here.

[mcrain]

Almost every European news outlet saw and reported Obama's comments in Strasbourg as an "apology" - I cited the Telepgraph in response to your specific request for a "shred of proof" (your words). Secondly, Obama's Cairo Address was widely reported internationally and domestically as an apology (see Op Ed analysis: Boston Herald (http://news.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view.bg?articleid=1149090&srvc=home&position=emailed), US News & World Report (http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/god-and-country/2009/06/02/mitt-romney-on-obamas-cairo-speech-no-apologies)). Moreover, for any leader to criticise his own country’s action while standing on foreign soil (Ref: Strasbourg speech) then offer an alternative path, as Obama did, constitutes an apology. Denial of it seems a stretch you're making for partisan aims.

Out of curiosity, what would you say if Senator Obama would have criticized President Bush while he was in Moscow? Would you say that then Senator Obama was being un-American or treasonous, or maybe that it was wrong for an American to go to a foreign country, one where we have had a long history of animosity, and criticized the American President and American Government?

What would you have said if that happened?

Just curious.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1925657,00.html

[Eraserhead]

Almost every European news outlet saw and reported Obama's comments in Strasbourg as an "apology"

And its perfectly reasonable for Obama to apologise for Bush, he conducted an likely illegal war in Iraq which resulted in the deaths of at least 100 000 people.

Not apologising for Bush would be ridiculous.

[obeygiant]

goal posts on wheels in this thread. :eek:

[mactastic]

Almost every European news outlet saw and reported Obama's comments in Strasbourg as an "apology" - I cited the Telepgraph in response to your specific request for a "shred of proof" (your words). Secondly, Obama's Cairo Address was widely reported internationally and domestically as an apology (see Op Ed analysis: Boston Herald (http://news.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view.bg?articleid=1149090&srvc=home&position=emailed), US News & World Report (http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/god-and-country/2009/06/02/mitt-romney-on-obamas-cairo-speech-no-apologies)).
LOL... YOU'RE POSTING OPINION AS FACT! The first link you provided was Karl Rove writing an op-ed in the WSJ. The next was a blog post from a Telegraph reporter wherein the reporter opined that Obama's speech was an apology. Then you hand me ANOTHER opinion piece from the Boston Herald, and a Mitt Romney hit piece from USNWR. I know lots of conservatives OPINION is that this was an apology tour, that's not in doubt. But OPINION isn't FACT.

You're losing this one, and losing bad. It's very simple -- post something explicit like I did. I posted a link to an article wherein Ronald Reagan confirms that he apologized to Iran, answering "yes" when asked by a reporter if his conversation to the Iranians constituted an apology.

If Obama apologized repeatedly, as you claim, then provide the evidence. And quit with this interpretive dance bullcrap. Don't show me anything from a conservative opinion writer, get it straight from the horses mouth.

Moreover, for any leader to criticise his own country’s action while standing on foreign soil (Ref: Strasbourg speech) then offer an alternative path, as Obama did, constitutes an apology. Denial of it seems a stretch you're making for partisan aims.
Excuse me if I don't buy into your alleged concern for this occurring on "foreign soil". I know y'all made a big show of it when the Dixie Chicks did it, but then when you didn't care when Ted Nugent did the same thing (http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/nugent-obama-should-be-jailed_1126877), you were exposed as hypocrites. Not to mention that you didn't say a word when a GOP Congressman went to China and -- on foreign soil no less -- told the Chinese not to trust his Commander-in-Chief (http://www.straitstimes.com/Overcoming%2BThe%2BStorm/Latest%2BStories/Story/STIStory_387854.html). Or when a member of the House GOP leadership went to Israel (http://jta.org/news/article/2009/08/06/1007089/cantor-criticizes-obama-on-israel-mission) and criticized the POTUS on foreign soil.

Now, since we've established that conservatives don't ACTUALLY care about the distinction between home and abroad, would you care to discuss -- since you've obviously made up your mind that Obama ran around apologizing from America, despite all evidence to the contrary -- how it is that conservatives never manage to indict Reagan for apologizing for America, but seem to have spend an inordinate amount of time in attempting to affix the label to Obama?

So, two things: Actual proof that Obama apologize (as opposed to opinion -- see my links above for examples, if you are unfamiliar with the premise), and the conservative rationalization for the Reagan apology. Maybe Reagan was making a satirical apology? :D

Good luck!

[rdowns]

Almost every European news outlet saw and reported Obama's comments in Strasbourg as an "apology"


So now you're into quoting socialist news sources? :confused:

[Arran]

... Not to mention that you didn't say a word when a GOP Congressman went to China and -- on foreign soil no less -- told the Chinese not to trust his Commander-in-Chief (http://www.straitstimes.com/Overcoming%2BThe%2BStorm/Latest%2BStories/Story/STIStory_387854.html)...

I clicked your link and read something that bears repeating here: "'One of the messages I had [for the Chinese] - because we need to build trust and confidence in our number one creditor - is that the budget numbers that the US government has put forward should not be believed,' Mr Kirk said." [emphasis mine]

Wow:

Going on record saying you country can't be trusted and then
Giving the game plan away to the other side.


If he thought the numbers were wrong he should've sorted that out at home -and not ran off blabbing to the Chinese.

Thank god these types weren't around in WWII: We'd have lost.

[mactastic]

goal posts on wheels in this thread. :eek:
Care to explain how I've move the goalposts? Is asking for something other than an opinion piece suddenly considered moving the goalposts? :confused:

[bobber205]

Care to explain how I've move the goalposts? Is asking for something other than an opinion piece suddenly considered moving the goalposts? :confused:

I had assumed the reference was talking about ZA and INT.

[mactastic]

I had assumed the reference was talking about ZA and INT.
Not likely. Perhaps he could clarify, but my impression is that he feels I'm being unfair to ITN and ZA by asking for proof, and only subsequently noting that opinion hit pieces by conservatives aren't acceptable.

I thought that bit was self-explanatory, but apparently there are more people who consider conservative opinion to be the equivalent to fact than I thought around here...

[IntheNet]

So, two things: Actual proof that Obama apologize (as opposed to opinion -- see my links above for examples, if you are unfamiliar with the premise)...

In citation of referenced apology, my prior post cited the president's address at Rhenus Sports Arena, Strasbourg, on April 3rd, 2009: Quote: “In America, there is a failure to appreciate Europe’s leading role in the world...” and “Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.”

It is not opinion to understand that quote clearly as admitting America's failure; thus apologizing for it, as the remainder of the speech went on to do (strongly recommend you read entire Strasbourg speech). No need to quibble here about apology prose; that is how most reported it, internationally and domestically in the media. If you refuse to admit that (looking for specific "apology" language to buttress our claims) I feel what you doing is simply disingenuous on this point (writing off such as "opinion"), especially since most of world's media saw it that way. But that's my two cents... If you don't see it that way not much I can do about it.

[NT1440]

How is apologizing for previously behaving as douchebags a bad thing? :confused:

Is it a bad thing for America to acknowledge we aren't gods?

[mactastic]

In citation of referenced apology, my prior post cited the president's address at Rhenus Sports Arena, Strasbourg, on April 3rd, 2009: Quote: “In America, there is a failure to appreciate Europe’s leading role in the world...” and “Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.”

It is not opinion to understand that quote clearly as admitting America's failure; thus apologizing for it, as the remainder of the speech went on to do (strongly recommend you read entire Strasbourg speech). No need to quibble here about apology prose; that is how most reported it, internationally and domestically in the media. If you refuse to admit that (looking for specific "apology" language to buttress our claims) I feel what you doing is simply disingenuous on this point (writing off such as "opinion"), especially since most of world's media saw it that way. But that's my two cents... If you don't see it that way not much I can do about it.
Apologies are pretty specific things in diplomat-ese. This statement is in no way an apology. It's actually an attempt to mend fences with the Europeans specifically without an apology.

Referring to this as an "apology tour" is what is disingenuous.

And you still have yet to enlighten us as to why it's OK for Reagan and Bush 43 to apologize for America, but not for Obama to do so. I can't wait to hear that one! :p

[freeny]

And you still have yet to enlighten us as to why it's OK for Reagan and Bush 43 to apologize for America, but not for Obama to do so. I can't wait to hear that one! :p

Ooooh, wait.... let me get my popcorn....

[mcrain]

It is not opinion to understand that quote clearly as admitting America's failure; thus apologizing for it, as the remainder of the speech went on to do

But that's my two cents... If you don't see it that way not much I can do about it.

ITN, did you miss my question? Back one page, posted at 10am? I would like your opinion.

So, if you cheat on your wife, and then tell her that instead of celebrating your marriage and seeking to be a loving husband, you've been a jerk, and that there have been times you were arrogant, dismissive, and even derisive, but didn't actually say you were sorry, or ask for forgiveness, would you have actually apologized? Would you still be in the doghouse?

I'm guessing most women wouldn't consider that or what President Obama said as an apology.

[Sky Blue]

How is apologizing for previously behaving as douchebags a bad thing? :confused:


I don't understand that either.

[IntheNet]

This statement is in no way an apology....

As I said, if you don't see it that way not much I can do about it. But it is becoming old hat when Obama supporters blatantly pull out the denial card and blame Bush, Reagan etc. for every issue affecting the current administration, especially the current president's Apology Tour we've cited... Lest you need further evidence to deny, this past summer the Heritage Foundation's Nile Gardiner, Ph.D. and Morgan Roach compiled an excellent white paper memo on this topic that is worth your review! It documents in detail - using Obama's own words - ten apology instances that I'm sure you'll continue to deny.

Barack Obama's Top 10 Apologies: How the President Has Humiliated a Superpower
June 2, 2009
by Nile Gardiner, Ph.D. and Morgan Roach
The Heritage Foundation - Leadership Center
WebMemo #2466
http://www.heritage.org/research/europe/wm2466.cfm

ITN, did you miss my question? Back one page, posted at 10am? I would like your opinion.

I saw it but the issue above is key rather than addressing another rhetorical hypothetical question; i.e., your example inquiry about Obama condemning Bush. Wanted to get the above settled first...

[mactastic]

I don't understand that either.
From what I've been able to gather from our conservative posters here, it's ok to apologize to the world as long as you're not a Democrat. It's also ok to criticize your commander in chief from foreign soil as long as you're not a Democrat. It's also ok to be a musical entertainer who admits to being ashamed of your country while on foreign soil as long as you're not a Democrat.

[mcrain]

But it is becoming old hat when Obama supporters blatantly pull out the denial card and blame Bush, Reagan etc. for every issue affecting the current administration

Nearly zero debt to over 3 trillion under Reagan/Bush. Debt leveled out, and we had a surplus under Clinton. Now we have 12 trillion after GWB. Iran-Contra, funding and arming the taliban under Reagan, abandoning the afghans after the soviets left, dropping the ball before 9/11 when specifically warned about al quaeda, cutting taxes and increasing spending, doing nothing about spiralling health care costs, investigating a president for 8 years and trying to impeach him on the ONLY thing they could find (a bj), shutting down the government... the list goes on, and on, and on, and on.

The democrats have plenty of things they have done wrong, but there are some very specific things you can point at Reagan, Bush and Jr. for.

(edit) It's not rhetorical. Palin went to China and criticized the US government and president.

[mactastic]

As I said, if you don't see it that way not much I can do about it. But it is becoming old hat when Obama supporters blatantly pull out the denial card and blame Bush, Reagan etc. for every issue affecting the current administration, especially the current president's Apology Tour we've cited... Lest you need further evidence to deny, this past summer the Heritage Foundation's Nile Gardiner, Ph.D. and Morgan Roach compiled an excellent white paper memo on this topic that is worth your review! It documents in detail - using Obama's own words - ten apology instances that I'm sure you'll continue to deny.

Barack Obama's Top 10 Apologies: How the President Has Humiliated a Superpower
June 2, 2009
by Nile Gardiner, Ph.D. and Morgan Roach
The Heritage Foundation - Leadership Center
WebMemo #2466
http://www.heritage.org/research/europe/wm2466.cfm
Oooo the Heritage Foundation! This is bound to be Fair and Balanced™, no doubt.

And wouldn't you know it, none of those 10 listed items contain the word "apologize". And with no first-hand input from Obama or his advisors, we're left -- once again -- with an extremely anti-Obama conservative group's OPINION about these statements. Which means you've failed yet again to prove your point, and have once again resorted to desperate attempts to post opinion as fact.

I'm actually more interested in your rationalization of Reagan and Bush's apologies at this point. Watching you twist in the wind attempting to prove Obama is a serial apologizer only has limited entertainment value, let's move on to the next item of cognitive dissonance!

[mcrain]

Opinion as fact?

Ok, if opinion is fact, here's some facts for you from a perfectly reasonable source.

That Republicans honor corporate loyalties over their loyalties to the Constitution are beyond question and these policies became publically official with the passing of the recent Supreme Court ruling last month. With that ruling, Republicans have succeeded in outsourcing our own government, as corporate interests are international as well as national. That ruling alone makes their Tea Party gatherings a real head scratcher, as the last folks in line for any Republican benefits are the common folk, which largely comprise their army of modern day Brown Shirt Tea Party hysterics.

If these people could only see through the real agenda of the Republicans, they would realize that they are merely being used as upstart noisemakers, no more than public distractions to create havoc for the Democrats. They actually believe that the Republicans are on their side, listening to their issues and protests when all the Republicans want them to do is make noise. Listening is not part of the Republican bargain. Don't they get that? Why don't these people remember the Bush/Cheney administration?

Bush and Cheney were the closest Americans ever came to being ruled by dictators. Don't these people get that the Republicans are against health care because they are fundamentally against any and all forms of assistance? If they could take away Social Security and Medicare, in all likelihood, they would. How is it possible that these Tea Party Brown Shirts do not understand that in supporting the Republicans, they are in fact supporting their own demise?

Next, we have Sarah Palin, one of the more covert schemes of the Republican agendas. What makes Sarah part of Republican covert strategy? Simple-Sarah doesn't even realize that she is being used by the Republican brain trust as their Vamp distraction - the poor thing. She actually thinks she has something to offer this country when, in fact, even her own party is probably laughing at her behind the scenes. She is the Republican Court Fool, an idiot mouthpiece who writes notes on her hands in order to get through an appearance and lacks the insight due to an over abundance of vanity and ambition to realize that her own party intends to toss her to the wolves as soon as her usefulness as a Vamp distraction is done. Anyone who doubts this has only to wait and see.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/caroline-myss/the-republican-strategy-c_b_467728.html

(edit) If you want an interesting read -- where science seems to cross paths with politics and opinion, check this article out. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-lakoff/a-good-week-for-science_b_470500.html

[rdowns]

Oh my, you can't make this stuff (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/03/sarah-palin-god-wrote-on-his-h.html?wprss=44) up. Link had video.

So you're telling me you have this supposed omniscient being and he needs to write a person's name on his hands. FAIL comes to mind.

At an Ohio Right to Life fundraiser Friday night, former Alaska governor Sarah Palin once again defended the notes she wrote on her hand during last month's Tea Party Convention. She said she didn't have a good answer to media criticism at the time, but now she has one: God did it too.

A supporter sent her the biblical passage Isaiah 49:16: "See, I have engraved you on the palms of my hands; your walls are ever before me."

"If what was good enough for God, scribbling on the palm of his hand, it's good enough for me, for us," Palin said. "In that passage he says, I wrote your name on the palm of my hand to remember you. And I'm like okay, I'm in good company."

[yg17]

god has 6 billion people to keep track of. She had 3 republican talking points that she campaigned on as a VP candidate and that any republican presidential hopeful should have memorized.

Epic fail.

[rdowns]

Her hypocrisy (http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2651556#ixzz0hbfkuAxV) is boundless.

She complained about the "establishment," this woman who once ran to be second-in-command of the largest establishment in the world;

she mocked the press, speaking as a correspondent to America's biggest news network;

she chastised critics who dwelt on her children's lives, after introducing to the audience her daughter, Piper, who spent the duration of the speech fidgeting near the stage.

And the politician who championed the average working man and woman spent an hour before her appearance locked away in a private VIP reception posing for photos with guests who had paid hundreds of dollars for the privilege;

after her speech, she was hustled by handlers out a back door.

If these were contradictions, they were forgiven readily. As is surely the case with so many of her audiences, Ms. Palin's unpretentiousness and charm, and her deeply held conservatism, counted far more.

[yg17]

Her hypocrisy (http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2651556#ixzz0hbfkuAxV) is boundless.


It gets even worse (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/3/8/844045/-I-got-mine.-The-rest-of-you-can-drop-the-f*@#-dead!)


The vocal opponent of health care reform in the U.S. steered largely clear of the topic except to reveal a tidbit about her life growing up not far from Whitehorse.
"We used to hustle over the border for health care we received in Canada," she said. "And I think now, isn't that ironic."

So she has no problem border hopping to receive Canadian healthcare (but I thought America had the best health care system in the world!) but any reforms that would improve the US system to make it one tenth as good as Canada's are socialism. ********** hypocrite.

And she also doesn't know what ironic means.

[Gelfin]

Ms. Palin's unpretentiousness

Somebody really needs to review the definition of that word, and I'm pretty sure it isn't me. Hands up everybody who has ever seriously presented himself as the mortal incarnation of everything that's good about America.

[hulugu]

Somebody really needs to review the definition of that word, and I'm pretty sure it isn't me. Hands up everybody who has ever seriously presented himself as the mortal incarnation of everything that's good about America.

No, it's okay to act as though you're the mortal incarnation of the real America, just so long as you say "gosh" and "darn tootin'."

[Rt&Dzine]

Oh, now I get it. You should only use methods that were employed during Biblical times. Writing notes on hands is god-like. Using a teleprompter is the work of the devil.

[IntheNet]

Her hypocrisy (http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2651556#ixzz0hbfkuAxV) is boundless.

Part of what you quoted=>

"she chastised critics who dwelt on her children's lives, after introducing to the audience her daughter, Piper, who spent the duration of the speech fidgeting near the stage."

(1) Yeah she has problems with liberals who pick on her daughters - so do most Americans - picking on politician's children is not dignified; (2) introducing her daughter to the media/liberals does not advance license to mock/castigate; and (3) yes children fidget - that's not a strike against Palin but one on your source for pettiness.

[yg17]

Part of what you quoted=>

"she chastised critics who dwelt on her children's lives, after introducing to the audience her daughter, Piper, who spent the duration of the speech fidgeting near the stage."

(1) Yeah she has problems with liberals who pick on her daughters - so do most Americans - picking on politician's children is not dignified; (2) introducing her daughter to the media/liberals does not advance license to mock/castigate; and (3) yes children fidget - that's not a strike against Palin but one on your source for pettiness.

If she wasn't out whoring for attention with her children, the media won't pick on them.

[freeny]

It gets even worse (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/3/8/844045/-I-got-mine.-The-rest-of-you-can-drop-the-f*@#-dead!)



So she has no problem border hopping to receive Canadian healthcare (but I thought America had the best health care system in the world!) but any reforms that would improve the US system to make it one tenth as good as Canada's are socialism. ********** hypocrite.

And she also doesn't know what ironic means.

Oh, its definately ironic, just not in the way shes thinking :D

[quagmire]

And the fun continues.....

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/offbeat/2010/03/08/moos.psalms.on.palins.palms.cnn?hpt=C2

Seriously Palin...... Were you serious when you said that or was that a cut by CNN to make her look bad? :confused: