Steve Jobs Reportedly Demands Deletion of Tweet Sent From iPad

[MacRumors]

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Valleywag reports (http://valleywag.gawker.com/5466906/the-ipad-tweet-that-enraged-steve-jobs) that The Wall Street Journal's online executive editor Alan Murray posted to his Twitter account last Thursday, claiming that that he had done so from an iPad. The tweet was quickly deleted, however, and it appears that it had been posted during a meeting with Apple CEO Steve Jobs, part of Jobs' recent trip (http://www.macrumors.com/2010/02/04/steve-jobs-rumored-to-have-recently-traveled-to-new-york-for-ipad-media-talks/) to New York to show off the gadget to publishing executives in a bid to bring their content to the tablet device.

According to Valleywag, Murray deleted the tweet in response to a "furious" Steve Jobs, who was no doubt displeased at the disclosure.A tipster told us the deletion ultimately traces back to a furious Jobs. We asked Murray for comment, and he wrote back "I would love to talk about this, but can't." In a later email, he added:

"I will say that Apple's general paranoia about news coverage is truly extraordinary- but that's not telling you anything you didn't already know."Apple's obsession with secrecy (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/06/23/new-york-times-reports-on-apples-obsession-with-secrecy/) is well-known, and while a simple, two-sentence tweet from a newspaper executive claiming to have access to the already-announced device may seem trivial, Jobs' desire to control the flow of information about its products and plans clearly continues to extends to all facets of Apple's activities.

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[rdowns]

He's nuts. Glad he's back. :D

[justinfreid]

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This comment was sent from my iPad.

[Peace]

Wow. Jobs is getting a bit extreme.

Whats the big deal about some exec tweeting from the iPad.

[Winni]

Apple needs a new CEO. One that does not suffer from paranoia and who is not acting like he was still in the 1980s when the Internet and open communication flow where still stuff for science fiction movies.

It's 2010, Steve. Your version of 1984 does not belong here.

[czeluff]

It's just a twitter post.

"Not that big of a deal".

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/11/steve-jobs-to-developer-name-change-not-that-big-of-a-deal/

[eawmp1]

There is a thin line between genius and insanity.

[mkrishnan]

It's just a twitter post.

I'm mildly surprised -- who in their right mind would not expect that Apple was showing the device off to VIPs and letting them get hands-on time at this point?

OTOH, calls for removing Steve Jobs are silly, given his track record for results.

[Queso]

Apple needs a new CEO. One that does not suffer from paranoia and who is not acting like he was still in the 1980s when the Internet and open communication flow where still stuff for science fiction movies.

It's 2010, Steve. Your version of 1984 does not belong here.
The need to maintain secrecy is greater than ever. Do you see how quickly Chinese companies churn out rip offs of new iPod designs?

[Friscohoya]

Nothing to see here...keep on movin.

[spillproof]

I don't see a problem with a tweet. You would think seeing a tweet from an iPad would excite people.

[anthorumor]

I'm sure he knows about this site. Quick, savor Macrumors before it gets severed by Steve himself!

[swingerofbirch]

This from a guy who practices buddhism and said tripping acid changed his life.

[mkrishnan]

I don't see a problem with a tweet. You would think seeing a tweet from an iPad would excite people.

There is nothing like a minimal spoonful, of at-best marginally useful information, from a credentialed stranger, to excite the most vigorous of passions in the Apple fan. :)

[Hmac]

As far as I know, the iPad still doesn't have FCC approval. What are the consequences of wirelessly posting something from a device that's not legal to post from?

[kingtj]

My ex-wife claimed to practice Buddhism too -- but that didn't stop her from deciding it was ok to forge my signature on the vehicle title and sell it, while I was under the impression she was still driving it around someplace (while the divorce case was underway). Nor did it stop her from ordering credit cards using my social security #, having them mailed to a P.O. box I wasn't aware of, and charging them all up.....

A few people I remember from back in college who were always tripping acid? Well, not much positive to say about their lives at this point in time either.

I love most of Apple's products, but that doesn't mean I have to like Steve Jobs as an individual. Practically every time someone covers a "personal anecdote" about the guy, it's pretty negative and reflects poorly on his character. He's an excellent public speaker, when his mission is to regurgitate some information prepared in advance. But outside of his public appearances in that capacity? I think he'd serve Apple the best to avoid public contact....


This from a guy who practices buddhism and said tripping acid changed his life.

[localoid]

This from a guy who practices buddhism and said tripping acid changed his life.

I can't imagine how hyper-wired-up he must have been before he "mellowed out".

[iPhysicist]

I don't see a problem with a tweet. You would think seeing a tweet from an iPad would excite people.

It will also excite CEOS of other publishing companies as well.

Sent from my iPaddy

[DanielJvdBerg]

I think it's pretty reasonable that he got mad at him. When you are being showed a device that is not on the market yet, see it as a little honour because no one can. It's pretty rude to just go on the device, and shout about it on twitter. I think something like that should be handled discrete and thankful. So, I give Steve absolutely right. I'd do the same.

[kdarling]

Yelling at an online executive editor when you're trying to sell him and his friends on your device, is pretty lame.

Not a smart way to negotiate with hard nosed New Yorkers, who must already see Jobs, with his Valley Girlish "awesome" statements, as a full-of-himself West Coast flake to begin with.

[MacFly123]

Apple needs a new CEO.

I think pretty much the entire world would disagree with you!!! :rolleyes:

[rth231]

...yet they give Steven Colbert an iPad to flash around at the Grammys.

[yetanotherdave]

Wow, he needs to calm down, it's already been announced! It's not like this is pre-announcement. Everyone knows about the iPad, we're just patiently waiting now.

[lostngone]

Well Gosh, were you told not to do it???

My guess is by Mr. Jobs himself and you turn around a few minutes later and do it I would be pissed too.

What, are these people stupid? Do they need a hearing test?

[NT1440]

Do tweets contain any metadata that could be used to find out more info about the device sending them? I know that certain apps keep track of things like that through ad agencies.

[Veinticinco]

Did the offending editor act like a bit of a fanboy attention-seeking moron and just start tweeting away ("hey look at me everyone!") whilst the meeting had moved on to other suits at the WSJ? Probably.

Is Steve Jobs a bit of an *******? Definitely.

Look at it this way....you're showing off a recently-announced device to potential stakeholders, having come armed with full working prototypes, hand them out to various senior people for a little user time, and expect them - and by them let's not forget we're talking about journalistic execs - to somehow NOT to use them and Tweet that very fact? :rolleyes:

If he was so paranoid (quite why is a mystery given the keynote last week) then why not have them all sign a NDA upon entering the building? Just because you're a visionary genius doesn't mean you're immune from acting like a misanthrope with a side order of Asperger's thrown in. Often the two go hand in hand.

[WeegieMac]

Why are some people surprised or shocked to hear this kind of behaviour from Jobs?

It's well known that he's not a particularly nice guy, but then again nice guys don't succeed in business to the extent Steve Jobs has.

Does Jobs have a God complex? Of course he does. He was sacked from Apple and the company proceeded to go downhill to the extent of borderline extinction. When Jobs returned in a twist of fate (Apple's purchased of NeXT), he galvanised the company. No wonder he's got the God complex, but he's had it since he became a multi-millionaire at such an early age.

Is going ******* at someone "tweeting" from the iPad a bit over the top? Of course it is.

Does Jobs have the right to go ******* at someone "tweeting" from an iPad? Again, of course he does.

I respect and admire Steve for what he's achieved in his life and the obstacles he's overcome to succeed. However, too many Apple fans put Jobs up on this pedestal, when the truth is he would easily and happily blank you in public without a second thought.

To him, we are customers ... nothing more, nothing less.

[lostngone]

Yelling at an online executive editor when you're trying to sell him and his friends on your device, is pretty lame.

Not a smart way to negotiate with hard nosed New Yorkers, who must already see Jobs, with his Valley Girlish "awesome" statements, as a full-of-himself West Coast flake to begin with.

Well, pissing off Steve Jobs is also not very smart.

If you are handed a pre-release product and told not to do something and you do it anyways that is not only stupid but very disrespectful as well.

[NT1440]

Do tweets contain any metadata that could be used to find out more info about the device sending them? I know that certain apps keep track of things like that through ad agencies.

Before the "jobs is a _____ or ______" posts continue, does anyone know anything about my question?

Let the bashing continue....

[Stella]

The need to maintain secrecy is greater than ever. Do you see how quickly Chinese companies churn out rip offs of new iPod designs?

The iPad has already been announced.. there isn't much secret, the chinese companies can already rip it off!

SJ needs to get that huge great stick out of his ass.

[coolmacguy]

Apple needs a new CEO. One that does not suffer from paranoia and who is not acting like he was still in the 1980s when the Internet and open communication flow where still stuff for science fiction movies.

It's 2010, Steve. Your version of 1984 does not belong here.

Easily the dumbest post in this thread.

If you knew anything about Jobs you would know that this IS who he has been all along.

He's always had a desire to tightly control both the development of the products, their release, and the information surrounding them. And he's always had a prolific temper.

You may disagree with his perception of things or his actions here, but you can't disagree with his track record and the results his leadership style have given Apple.

[kdarling]

If you are handed a pre-release product and told not to do something and you do it anyways that is not only stupid but very disrespectful as well.

Nothing I've read said that Jobs told anyone not to post from the device beforehand. Perhaps el Jobso is so used to his yes-people that he assumed it.

It's quite normal for people to try out prototype devices that are being passed around, especially when you're trying to be sold on using it.

[Mitch1984]

I guess the only reason I can think of not to tweet from an already announced device is that it has just added furthur confirmation that Jobs is talking with more publishers not just to provide iBooks but to optimise there content.

No doubt M$ are going to approach Newspapers themselves now already anyway.

[lostngone]

Nothing I've read said that Jobs told anyone not to post from the device beforehand. Perhaps el Jobso is so used to his yes-people that he assumed it.

It's quite normal for people to try out prototype devices that are being passed around, especially when you're trying to be sold on using it.

Anyone else and I would agree with you 100%

However, this is Steve Jobs... I wouldn't be surprised if you had to agree to an NDA on the iPad before you could get the thing to fully boot.

[supremedesigner]

I think I understand why Steve told him to remove it. Probably the newsletter guy's fault b/c as far as I know, iPad still doesn't have FCC approval. So I wondered what are the consequence of wireless posting, surfing, emailing, etc. from a device that's not legal to post from?

Also, I think when they first announced it (when showing google map, etc.) was via wi-fi instead of 3G. IMO.

[Virtualball]

People are missing the point here, this isn't an Apple employee tweeting on the device; it's The Wall Street Journal's CEO. That confirms that Apple is trying to get newspapers on board of the iBookstore, of course he's pissed. This was probably going to be a "one more thing" on or before launch day. Remember how Apple said "OH, and the iPhone's screen is made of glass" a month before it came out originally?

[forgetaboutpro]

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There is a thin line between genius and insanity.

He's erased the line.

[dejo]

...it's The Wall Street Journal's CEO.
Except it's not. The WSJ has no CEO. And this wasn't the publisher or editor either.

[theheadguy]

Before the "jobs is a _____ or ______" posts continue, does anyone know anything about my question? Let the bashing continue....
What are you talking about? Who's bashing him? :confused: There are 8 minutes between your initial post and your second post referencing your first. Take a puff on your inhaler.

[CrackedButter]

Wow, he needs to calm down, it's already been announced! It's not like this is pre-announcement. Everyone knows about the iPad, we're just impatiently waiting now.

Fixed your sentence for you. :D

[Henri Gaudier]

I think pretty much the entire world would disagree with you!!! :rolleyes:

Nope! I'd happily see the back of him. His legacy is there and so one can genuflect at the thought of it if one wants but it's time to put someone in charge who's into serious computers at competitive prices instead of someone who thinks the ipad is significant. He's ready for the paddock.

[Fukui]

Darth Jobs strikes again..lol...

[Tilpots]

Job's real issue here... Think about it.

This editor was in NY, infamously a terrible AT&T coldspot. This editor had to have been on Verizon's network!:eek:

[Stevamundo]

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This comment was sent from my iPad.

Hey justinfreid please erase this message OR I MIGHT HAVE TO KILL YOU!

Sincerely, Steve Jobs. :D

[mandizzle]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/feb/08/apple-ipad-tweet

an article with a screenshot of the offending Tweet.

[doctoree]

This comment was sent from my iPad (early 2011) with two mice connected for multitouch gestures without fingers.

[bbplayer5]

Jobs makes me want to buy 0 Apple products. The dude has lost it.

[bbplayer5]

Easily the dumbest post in this thread.

If you knew anything about Jobs you would know that this IS who he has been all along.

He's always had a desire to tightly control both the development of the products, their release, and the information surrounding them. And he's always had a prolific temper.

You may disagree with his perception of things or his actions here, but you can't disagree with his track record and the results his leadership style have given Apple.



Ill up you one and say yours is the dumbest post here. The iPad was already announced and he simply stated that he tweeted from it.. HOLY CRAP iPAD CAN TWEET, BUT WE DONT WANT ANYONE TO KNOW!!!

Give me a break. Steve Jobs is about as arrogant as they come. Quit drinking the Kool Aid and wake up.

[dodegy]

I don't get him.

If you want to control the press, why on earth would you risk to generate this response. You clearly cant simply delete a tweet and no one finds out.

[thecartoonguy]

There is a thin line between genius and insanity.

Well said. This is getting very tiresome. Uncle Steve needs to dial it down a bit. Why not show off the iPad, since it's been SHOWN! Honestly Apple give it a rest.

[jamesryanbell]

...yet they give Steven Colbert an iPad to flash around at the Grammys.

I came here to post this.

[macduke]

There must be a secret feature of the iPad that we don't know about. That's a lot of post-announcement secrecy. I've been in the camp that tends to believe there will be one last thing mentioned before the iPad hits the stores. Something to excite the masses again right before launch, and push some of the fence-sitters over the edge. I'm hopeful, perhaps without merit. Either way the iPad is good enough for me the way it is.

[agkm800]

I won't miss Jobs when he leaves Apple. I actually think we'll have better Apple products without Jobs at this point.

[Mackan]

There is a thin line between genius and insanity.

That line is a myth.

[Twenty5]

No doubt M$ are going to approach Newspapers themselves now already anyway.

Grow up. Drop the dollar already, this is 2010.

[jaw04005]

I won't miss Jobs when he leaves Apple. I actually think we'll have better Apple products without Jobs at this point.

Yes, because the last time Jobs left Apple it did so well. :rolleyes:

This story sounds bizarre. First of all, it involves Twitter and Valleywag so I'm already skeptical.

Did Apple prevent members of media from sending tweets from the demo iPads during the show and tell at the Apple event? Not that I'm aware of. There are tons of videos on YouTube showing off parts of the iPad including its settings menus that aren't available on Apple's Web sites. Apple didn't seem to care.

What was so special about Jobs' iPad?

I do understand Apple's paranoia with partners. Partners don't share the same interests as your company. Apple thrives on its secretiveness. It's a key part of their marketing strategy and the aurora that surrounds the company. Partners, and especially old media content partners, don't know how to keep to a secret to save their lives.

[lorkkrue]

As far as I know, the iPad still doesn't have FCC approval. What are the consequences of wirelessly posting something from a device that's not legal to post from?

Very Good Point!

[MacFever]

nothing to see here....

it's the old Jobs back at work. :) cool! his health seems to be back in full swing.

[MacJoe]

If you buy any product based on the person who markets it rather than the merits of the product, you're buying it for the wrong reasons and that includes anything Apple. I'd still use Macs (as they currently exist) even if Bill Gates were selling them. It's funny how CEOs preach that no one in a company is irreplaceable. It's time they admit that that includes them. No one's THAT important.

[mikeinternet]

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That's a little extreme.

[puckhead193]

i can understand Steve being crazy about it before it launch, but everyone knows about it..whats the big deal; you would think he would want coverage of it to get people excited about the itouch... i mean ipad. :p

[kdarling]

Except it's not. The WSJ has no CEO. And this wasn't the publisher or editor either.

It was the WSJ Online Executive Editor, who is charge of online media presentation. He is arguably the single most important person at the company to impress with your multimedia delivery device and cooperative skills.

The online managing editors under him are the ones who make sure the website has the latest news, the videos and other multimedia to go with them, along with charts, photos, chat and feedback areas and you name it.

In other words, just the area that Jobs is trying the hardest to create as a new revenue source via the iPad... and the very reason he was in NYC.

[jemeinc]

Give me a break. Steve Jobs is about as arrogant as they come. Quit drinking the Kool Aid and wake up.

Who cares how arrogant he is? In the real world firing a CEO who delivers results as consistently as Steve Jobs does would be incredibly stoopid.. To suggest he be fired for this is not only stoopid it's comically ironic.. I mean wouldn't firing him for overreacting about a tweet but equally overreactive? I digress.....

Bottom line is he delivers like very few (maybe none) in the tech industry.. He delivers exciting products to consumers & he delivers dividends to shareholders.. Yeah, he overreacted in this situation-but even suggesting he be fired for it is about as silly as you can get..

[cocky jeremy]

Well, Steve doesn't have to worry about me. I won't be posting or doing anything from an iTampon AKA iPOS. I'll stick with useful devices. IE: iMac, iPhone, MacBook Pro.

[Stella]

Very Good Point!

SJ, more likely engineers, should have made sure there was no SIM card in it.

If this iPad was the WIFI version : Do WIFI devices require FCC certification?

[Cole Slaw]

Many Apple fans consider Steve Jobs to be a kind of benevolent Techno-Jesus.
I believe that he is, in reality, a megalomaniacal control freak, and that at this stage in Apple's history the company would be better off without him. I know that saying this is probably considered blasphemy by the majority around here.

[joeshell383]

It may not have been an overreaction at all. That tweet could have cost Apple negotiating power with other publishers, etc.

[jessica.]

So you all think the new tablet will have an eReader? I think the iPad or iTablet (whatever they call it) will be very useful and with the WSJ in it ... well that's awesome!

[MatthewStorm]

As far as I know, the iPad still doesn't have FCC approval. What are the consequences of wirelessly posting something from a device that's not legal to post from?

You hit the nail on the head, my friend.

[Rocketman]

Just say no.

[Diode]

With the stress and anxiety that probably accompanies his obsession, no wonder he has health issues.

Kinda sad really.

[twoodcc]

wow. after it was already announced? i just don't understand this

[cmaier]

Apple needs a new CEO. One that does not suffer from paranoia and who is not acting like he was still in the 1980s when the Internet and open communication flow where still stuff for science fiction movies.

It's 2010, Steve. Your version of 1984 does not belong here.

True. Steve Jobs has been a horrible failure, as evidenced from Apple's continued declining market share, inability to conquer new markets, failing user satisfaction ratings, inability to garner public mindshare, and declining stock price.

Oh, wait....

[cmaier]

You hit the nail on the head, my friend.

They can get a license for beta testing. I've been a beta tester for stuff that hasn't had FCC approval. Typically they paint them some garish color to discourage use after the test period is over.

[NT1440]

What are you talking about? Who's bashing him? :confused: There are 8 minutes between your initial post and your second post referencing your first. Take a puff on your inhaler.

There had been many posts since my first one, don't try to enforce some time limit you pulled out of no where just because I'm an active poster.

I simply wanted to bring up my question again to see if there was any logical or technical reasons Jobs may have not wanted a tweet to go out instead of the automatic "steves an arrogant douche!" posts. Sorry for trying to bring a little critical thinking into the thread.:rolleyes:

[jaw04005]

SJ, more likely engineers, should have made sure there was no SIM card in it.

If this iPad was the WIFI version : Do WIFI devices require FCC certification?

Yes.

[kdarling]

It may not have been an overreaction at all. That tweet could have cost Apple negotiating power with other publishers, etc.

And that would be an excellent reason not to overreact and call so much attention to it.

:rolleyes:

They can get a license for beta testing.

Agreed, FCC certification was not the reason for Jobs throwing a hissy fit. Not sure why anyone would think it would be, since Jobs himself had already publicly used the iPad on stage. D'oh!

[kernkraft]

Many Apple fans consider Steve Jobs to be a kind of benevolent Techno-Jesus.
I believe that he is, in reality, a megalomaniacal control freak, and that at this stage in Apple's history the company would be better off without him. I know that saying this is probably considered blasphemy by the majority around here.

Thanks, you just saved me a bit of typing. But techno Jesus? Only in GarageBand!

I won't miss Jobs when he leaves Apple. I actually think we'll have better Apple products without Jobs at this point.

Exactly my thoughts, just as above.



Is Steve Jobs a bit of an *******? Definitely.



It's ironic that while Stevie can use bad language about another tech company, Adobe in public, we cannot say that. And yes, I am aware that you didn't use the same word.

I think pretty much the entire world would disagree with you!!! :rolleyes:

Count me out! You would be surprised, how many times I read similar views on MAcrumors recently. It means nothing and changes nothing, but reflects the current atmosphere about Apple.


My ex-wife claimed to practice Buddhism too -- but that didn't stop her from deciding it was ok to forge my signature on the vehicle title and sell it, while I was under the impression she was still driving it around someplace (while the divorce case was underway). Nor did it stop her from ordering credit cards using my social security #, having them mailed to a P.O. box I wasn't aware of, and charging them all up.....


Oh man, I'm so sorry... Did you actually report the incident? Cheer up, it's probably better without her. You are the winner! :o

[kernkraft]

There is a thin line between genius and insanity.

He knows that very well. Too well. :rolleyes:

Yes, because the last time Jobs left Apple it did so well. :rolleyes:


That was in the last century! Not in the last decade, in the last century. Things change, the world changes. Even people change. It seems, Jobs' arrogance remains the same. Besides, things were not that Rosy when he left. Things might not be rosy in two years time. It is unsustainable to measure people on their previous achievements. Jobs might stay as long as he serves the shareholders' interests well. When he won't do that, he will have to move on. Upsetting the media and customers hurt business, however. That might just accelerate his departure. Luckily, his illness proved to be treatable and he could return. What the cancer hasn't done, his manner and main legacy, the iPad just might achieve.



...in other words, just the area that Jobs is trying the hardest to create as a new revenue source via the iPad... and the very reason he was in NYC.

It's a very good approach. I suppose, they were already disappointed as Apple chose the NYT for the keynote, despite the obvious Flash problem. I would like to hope that it wasn't intentional.

But to upset a senior figure in a leading newspaper? That takes some arrogance and serious lack of logical thinking.

Let's see... What will the Wall Street Journal think about the iPad? Or about the current CEO? The shareholders care, even if Steven Paul Jobs doesn't

[bludodge]

...yet they give Steven Colbert an iPad to flash around at the Grammys.

Loaned

[ElBerserko]

Agreed, FCC certification was not the reason for Jobs throwing a hissy fit. Not sure why anyone would think it would be, since Jobs himself had already publicly used the iPad on stage. D'oh!

I don't know why people keep thinking FCC approval is some sort of magical open process reserved for cell phone technology. Pretty much everything that is powered by electricity needs FCC approval.

I think people are still buying the marketing tactic used by Jobs to announce the original iPhone that they needed to announce it early because of the FCC spilling the beans. You can request complete confidentiality from the FCC until the product is released, companies including Apple do this all the time.

Apple announced early so people had enough time not to renew their existing cell contracts.

[thejadedmonkey]

Apple needs a new CEO. One that does not suffer from paranoia and who is not acting like he was still in the 1980s when the Internet and open communication flow where still stuff for science fiction movies.

It's 2010, Steve. Your version of 1984 does not belong here.

Yeah, he's a little crazy. Hopefully he retires soon.

[gibbz]

Apple needs a new CEO. One that does not suffer from paranoia and who is not acting like he was still in the 1980s when the Internet and open communication flow where still stuff for science fiction movies.

It's 2010, Steve. Your version of 1984 does not belong here.

Yeah, he's a little crazy. Hopefully he retires soon.

Yeah, that would be a brilliant idea :rolleyes:
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[yamabushi]

He was most likely upset because of who sent it, which meant that suddenly previously private contract negotiations were now very public. This shows Apple's hand which is something Steve Jobs loathes. It complicates ongoing and future negotiations.

Still, it should have come as no surprise. You put an already announced and demonstrated mobile internet device into the hands of a major print and internet press professional for evaluation then are surprised when they use the device as the journalist that they are? I can understand why he got upset, but he really should have been equally upset with himself for what happened. Show a lion some steak and he is going to eat it. Show a techie journalist a new gadget and he is going to play with it.

There is also the possibility that he knew exactly what he was doing when he sent the tweet. He may have been intentionally trying to strengthen the negotiating position of the WSJ. That is something worth getting very upset about.

[coolmacguy]

Ill up you one and say yours is the dumbest post here. The iPad was already announced and he simply stated that he tweeted from it.. HOLY CRAP iPAD CAN TWEET, BUT WE DONT WANT ANYONE TO KNOW!!!

Give me a break. Steve Jobs is about as arrogant as they come. Quit drinking the Kool Aid and wake up.

You totally misunderstood my post.

I was not saying Jobs' actions were not arrogant. I'm saying that's who he's always been. The poster I replied to seemed to think this was some kind of unusual behavior from him and suggested this implies he should not be Apple's CEO any longer. That suggestion is absurd because this IS who he is, as I mentioned.

And yes that means he is an a$$hole at times.

[nomad01]

Maybe Steve doesn't want the competitors to know who he's visiting and when?

I guess if it became clear that he visited the WSJ before another paper, that could jeopardise relations.

Who knows?

[WeegieMac]

Jobs makes me want to buy 0 Apple products. The dude has lost it.

For every person who thinks like that, there's thousands who will buy Apple products simply because of Steve Jobs.

Love him or hate him, he's the driving force behind the way Apple is today.

Sure he's strict, he's power hungry, he's egomaniacal ... but you don't see Steve Jobs when you buy your Mac, return it for a repair, or buy peripherals for it. The money goes into his back pocket, but I wouldn't use a dislike of a CEO (or a liking for that matter) as a basis on whether or not to buy a computer or mobile device.

[cocky jeremy]

I don't see the big deal. Anyone can SAY they sent a tweet from an iPad. Just deny it. Jesus Christ. He made it far more public than if he just didn't say anything at all.

[psingh01]

Wow...if it's true wtf was the Executive thinking? I would think most companies have a policy not to publicly disclose strategy, future product or acquisitions. These sort of things are considered confidential yet this executive opens his mouth during the meeting? LOL

Maybe they think differently because it's a news paper.

[Arran]

... He made it far more public than if he just didn't say anything at all.

Indeed, makes you wonder if the 'drama' was staged, or deliberately overplayed for effect? I was just reading an article claiming the iPad launch buzz was dying down. This resurrects it a little, no?

After this, I imagine WSJ subscribers will be sitting up and taking note (and making the obvious inferences). No doubt they figure large among the targeted early adopters - having piles of ready cash and an insatiable need for up-to-date info.

Who really knows? (but it's fun speculating :))

[kiljoy616]

He's nuts. Glad he's back. :D

The sad truth, he is nuts and paranoid but dam its what a company needs, considering the crap coming out of other companies. We could use some more Jobs around, then maybe other companies would actually bring out something I like to buy.

[The Past]

1. It trivializes the product. Much marketing and hype are ahead. Jobs does not want them to be behind. The forbidden fruit myth.

2. Media need apple a little more (for now) than the other way.

[Becordial]

Yelling at an online executive editor when you're trying to sell him and his friends on your device, is pretty lame.

Not a smart way to negotiate with hard nosed New Yorkers, who must already see Jobs, with his Valley Girlish "awesome" statements, as a full-of-himself West Coast flake to begin with.

Nicely said! :D

[Peter Harrison]

Wow, the first few pages are even funnier than usual for this place.

Why do people read these things, and then become completely convinced that Jobs actually got angry?

"According to X, Jobs got angry at someone"

"SACK HIM!"

[tatonka]

Yeah, that would be a brilliant idea :rolleyes:

First of all it is quite doubtful if saving tons of cash in the bank is a good thing over actually using that money to do something great with it. And secondly, success doesn't justify everything. Lately Apple products haven't been exactly revolutionary and build quality is far from what it used to be ...

Steve Jobs and his arrogance makes me dislike Apple ..

T.

[Demon Hunter]

There is a thin line between genius and insanity.

This.

[pmjoe]

And in other news: person reviewing new-fangled device ... actually uses it!

[jaw04005]

It is unsustainable to measure people on their previous achievements.

LOL. Then just how do you measure as person’s achievements? By a crystal ball? Results matter.

Jobs might stay as long as he serves the shareholders' interests well.

Considering Apple’s rise to power in the music player and smartphone business and their record earnings, Jobs can stay at Apple as long as he likes.

Jobs in not the only dynamic CEO in the world.

Upsetting the media and customers hurt business, however.

Yes, God forbid we upset the media. You do realize this entire story was fabricated by Valleywag, the silicon valley equivalent to Star Magazine?

But to upset a senior figure in a leading newspaper? That takes some arrogance and serious lack of logical thinking.

Oh, please. If Jobs wanted, he could have skipped Murray and dealt directly with Rupert Murdoch, the equally “arrogant” CEO of News Corp, the Journal’s parent company. Apparently, they’re friends as Murdoch has made comments about eating dinner at Jobs’ house.

[SpinThis!]

Pretty much everything that is powered by electricity needs FCC approval.
The Federal Communications Commission only reviews and approves devices sold that operate over the airwaves. You're probably thinking of UL (Underwriter's Laboratories). Since UL is independent, you don't need UL compliance to sell a product. They usually test products for safety (like light switches and receptacles) but you don't need FCC compliance to sell a toaster, for example, unless it has wi-fi.

I think people are still buying the marketing tactic used by Job...because of the FCC spilling the beans. You can request complete confidentiality from the FCC until the product is released
From what I've read, the FCC doesn't necessary have to grant confidentially however they usually do. I think there is some merit to what Jobs mentioned since the waiting period can be quite long. Confidentially only lasts a few months iirc after the product is approved.

[kdarling]

And in other news: person reviewing new-fangled device ... actually uses it!

Ha! Yes. Hmmm...

You know, if I were the head of Palm right now, I'd be on the phone with the WSJ and NYT:

"Hey guys, we've been talking with Verizon and Amazon about a WebOS powered slate to deliver your content. And we don't care how much you play with and advertise it. Interested?"

I wouldn't be surprised if the head of Google's Android was already doing the same thing.

[CubusX]

It's not like the iPad is some huge secret anymore, you did a whole conference on it's release.

The tweet helped promote some of it's functions, it probably helped Apple the iPad to a few potential buyers..

A bigger shock would have been actually being able to send the tweet from the iPad on AT&T's garbage 3G netwok coverage. :D

[Shasterball]

The need to maintain secrecy is greater than ever. Do you see how quickly Chinese companies churn out rip offs of new iPod designs?

You know what's sad? For example, the Chinese rip-off iPhones were way better than the Apple ones. They had a removable battery, worked on any network, had spots for SD cards, etc... I mean, the list goes on. Plus, they were $400 cheaper.

If the Chinese can make a better version of the iPhone in a few weeks, what does that say about Apple? :(

[rdowns]

It's probably been said but, if this is true, Jobs was pissed not because fof the device but the fact that people would know who he is negotiating deals with. Want to bet Microsoft and Google placed calls to the WSJ yesterday or today?

[amammad]

If the Chinese can make a better version of the iPhone in a few weeks, what does that say about Apple? :(

Alternatively, if you think the Chinese knock-offs are better than Apple, what does that say about you? :confused:

;)

[blackpond]

I'm thinking of the scene near the end of the film "The Aviator." Howard Hughes alone, naked and delirious, locked in a dark editing room perfecting his film-gift to mankind. It was to be the most important thing he'd ever done. His greatest effort to immortalize his name forever through film.

For the sake of Apple and a techno-crazed public, Steve, never retire from Apple. Take those iThing projects with you all the way to your last breathe. But for the sake of yourself, your family and friends, don't forget that within three years after you return to the Earth, no matter how great a gadget you create, it will be replaced by something better- and possibly from one of your competitors.

Give up the reigns and enjoy what remains of your short lease on life.

[Cromulent]

I'm surprised that so many people are acting like Steve Jobs being arrogant is a weird thing. Guess what? Most CEOs are arrogant. It comes with the territory.

After all you don't become the CEO of a major corporation without thinking that you are right...

[Eric S.]

As far as I know, the iPad still doesn't have FCC approval. What are the consequences of wirelessly posting something from a device that's not legal to post from?

You get Steve Jobs pissed at you.

I think pretty much the entire world would disagree with you!!! :rolleyes:

Not me; I've been hoping for a long time that Apple would get someone who would refocus its computer business.

It's probably been said but, if this is true, Jobs was pissed not because fof the device but the fact that people would know who he is negotiating deals with. Want to bet Microsoft and Google placed calls to the WSJ yesterday or today?

Do you think one tweet is going to tell people something that a dozen executives won't be leaking anyway?

[VenusianSky]

Steve Jobs sure is one funny character

[Wolfpup]

How exactly was this a reveal? Lets see...giant iPod revealed last month. We already know it runs iPod programs. And someone from Apple was running a giant iPod with an iPod program. That's...a leak? :confused:

[Darkroom]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_1_2 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7D11 Safari/528.16)

This comment was sent from my iPad.

HOW #$&&@#%$& DARE YOU! RAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!! WAR WAR WAR!!!!

[alent1234]

The need to maintain secrecy is greater than ever. Do you see how quickly Chinese companies churn out rip offs of new iPod designs?


the Chinese are the ones making ipods and ipads. did you think Hon Hai is based in Ohio or Michigan? Mac's are made by one of the 5 asian companies that make PC's for all the brand name PC's everyone knows.

apple and everyone else has to work with their chinese partners to be able to make their products

[hindmost]

This comment sent from a maxipad.

[bcrguy]

You know what's sad? For example, the Chinese rip-off iPhones were way better than the Apple ones. They had a removable battery, worked on any network, had spots for SD cards, etc... I mean, the list goes on. Plus, they were $400 cheaper.

If the Chinese can make a better version of the iPhone in a few weeks, what does that say about Apple? :(

Alternatively, if you think the Chinese knock-offs are better than Apple, what does that say about you? :confused:

;)

shasterball it says that apple is so good chinese companies buy one, rip it apart and copy it with 3rd party parts in 2 weeks...

and i agree with amammad.. what does that say about u?

[mattyuk]

Apple needs a new CEO. One that does not suffer from paranoia and who is not acting like he was still in the 1980s when the Internet and open communication flow where still stuff for science fiction movies.

It's 2010, Steve. Your version of 1984 does not belong here.

I loved this.

[hindmost]

You know what's sad? For example, the Chinese rip-off iPhones were way better than the Apple ones. They had a removable battery, worked on any network, had spots for SD cards, etc... I mean, the list goes on. Plus, they were $400 cheaper.

If the Chinese can make a better version of the iPhone in a few weeks, what does that say about Apple? :(

Have you ever been to China? The place is one big contrast. It's the 10th century mostly, with a smattering of the 20th century. A few big buildings in the cities, but huts in the countryside. Plus the always present smell of human crap. They make a lot of Wal-Mart level junk, but they are NOt innovators. They have a billion people and all but a few million are still going to the toilet along roadsides and in fields. Their milk is poison, their toys have lead paint, their jewelry has poison chemicals and their homegrown computers are shoddy. Apple lets cheap Chinese labor put Apple products together but they use electronic components imported from South Korea and Japan.

Sure, they can 'copy' an iPad, but it will be junk. You can take that to the bank.

Don't get all swept up in the myth that China is some kind of sparkling gem of scientific capability. In 5000 years of human history, they've come from picking up one piece of rice with two wooden sticks, to picking up two buckets of ***** with one wooden stick.

[Razmo]

He should be upset -
Do you think tweets are free?
Someone has to pay for the data plan on that thing.

[swagi]

Just say no.

http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=214097&d=1265687808

Well - if this is the real tweet, then I guess SJ was just pissed, that the Grammy running gag still was on :D

And honestly, an iPad is such a stupid product - when will I get a nice Apple computer again. I mean one, that really is worth its money considering the built quality.

[MadeTheSwitch]

Maybe Steve doesn't want the competitors to know who he's visiting and when?

I guess if it became clear that he visited the WSJ before another paper, that could jeopardise relations.

Who knows?

That's about the only reason I can see for maybe getting upset. That Jobs didn't want other companies to know the pecking order he is negotiating with. Cause it's fairly common knowledge of what the point of Jobs visit to the east coast was. And naturally you'd talk to the WSJ since it is such a major player. So then what's the issue? The only thing I can come up with is that pecking order.

[nxent]

is... steve jobs going to have a choke a b****??

in all seriousness though, sj is becoming a bit of a liability-

[cmaier]

is... steve jobs going to have a choke a b****??

in all seriousness though, sj is becoming a bit of a liability-

How is he a liability, exactly?

[Cromulent]

Don't get all swept up in the myth that China is some kind of sparkling gem of scientific capability. In 5000 years of human history, they've come from picking up one piece of rice with two wooden sticks, to picking up two buckets of ***** with one wooden stick.

You sound like an ignorant fool.

There are numerous examples of Chinese innovation. Ever heard of gun powder? Guess where that was invented.

Ever heard of The Great Wall of China? One of the greatest building accomplishments in the history of mankind? The clue as to where it is, is in the name.

The fact that Chinas economy is growing at such an outstanding rate is evidence that that they must be doing something right.

[cmaier]

The fact that Chinas economy is growing at such an outstanding rate is evidence that that they must be doing something right.

Or that they were starting from zero, and they have the world's largest labor force.

[pondie84]

The need to maintain secrecy is greater than ever. Do you see how quickly Chinese companies churn out rip offs of new iPod designs?

I may be missing something here but what would sending a tweet from an iPad reveal to 'Chinese companies'?

That it can be used to send tweets? Astounding!

[cmaier]

I may be missing something here but what would sending a tweet from an iPad reveal to 'Chinese companies'?

That it can be used to send tweets? Astounding!

That iPad tweets look cool.

[MacFly123]

Nope! I'd happily see the back of him. His legacy is there and so one can genuflect at the thought of it if one wants but it's time to put someone in charge who's into serious computers at competitive prices instead of someone who thinks the ipad is significant. He's ready for the paddock.

So you want Apple to be HP? :confused: :rolleyes: I don't think you understand Apple at all!

Count me out! You would be surprised, how many times I read similar views on MAcrumors recently. It means nothing and changes nothing, but reflects the current atmosphere about Apple.

Not me; I've been hoping for a long time that Apple would get someone who would refocus its computer business.

I don't think you guys appreciate the vision. Computing is NOT just desktops and laptops anymore! The future is mobile whether you like it or not! These little 'side projects' such as the iPod, iPhone, and now iPad have all made the Macs better and opened Apple up to a market and user base that would never have been possible before. You need to take off the blinders and see the strategy!

Steve is widely held as the most visionary C.E.O in the world and C.E.O. of the decade. But hey, congrats, you've got 3 people in your boat lol! :rolleyes:

Now you really wanna talk about a C.E.O. that should be, and should have been fired LONG AGO??? Steve Ballmer! I am NOT just saying that because it is Microsoft either. They could be a WAY better company with WAY better products if that fool wasn't at the helm!

[Eric S.]

I don't think you guys appreciate the vision. Computing is NOT just desktops and laptops anymore! The future is mobile whether you like it or not! These little 'side projects' such as the iPod, iPhone, and now iPad have all made the Macs better and opened Apple up to a market and user base that would never have been possible before. You need to take off the blinders and see the strategy!

I can see it fine, I just don't have to like it. Sorry. My recent hardware upgrade dollars were given to other companies and $29 to Apple for software. Next time I'll likely be moving totally out of the Apple orbit. But Apple doesn't care that they're losing 25-year customers like me, so what can you say?

[kdarling]

The Federal Communications Commission only reviews and approves devices sold that operate over the airwaves. ...

Computers and TV interface devices also require approval. (http://www.fcc.gov/oet/ea/procedures.html)

Been there, done that :)

[MacFly123]

I can see it fine, I just don't have to like it. Sorry. My recent hardware upgrade dollars were given to other companies and $29 to Apple for software. Next time I'll likely be moving totally out of the Apple orbit. But Apple doesn't care that they're losing 25-year customers like me, so what can you say?

Sorry to hear that. Sadly you are probably right, they probably don't care they are losing you. Judging by the fact that they are gaining and increasing user base exponentially with the current strategy. Over half of all people who purchase a Mac have never had one before as I'm sure you know!

I know Apple is not perfect, and I have my gripes. My main concern right now as a video producer are their pro products like Final Cut Studio. Even Apple has expressed concern lately over the pro area not doing so well. If Apple ever bailed out of FSC and the Mac Pro arena I would be very very very sad. It would effect what I do for a living to a very large degree!

So tell me what you would like to see that Apple is not delivering exactly!

[NT1440]

Do tweets contain any metadata that could be used to find out more info about the device sending them? I know that certain apps keep track of things like that through ad agencies.

I'd like to quote this again to see if anyone has any deeper understanding of tweets or the programs that send them.

[cmaier]

I'd like to quote this again to see if anyone has any deeper understanding of tweets or the programs that send them.

No they don't.

[Eric S.]

So tell me what you would like to see that Apple is not delivering exactly!

This is getting pretty far off topic now, but mostly things we're not likely to see. A midrange desktop would have topped the list, but that's kind of taken care of now. Beyond that I'd like to see an end to the obsession with "thin" and have Apple produce some really state of the art laptops. Then I'd like to see more concentration on the OS. Not that SL is bad, but for a 22-month development it didn't bring much over Leopard (even considering the "under the hood" nature of many of the changes). I'd for sure like to see ZFS or some equivalent to replace HFS+ and full NTFS support. A greater emphasis on their pro-level apps would be nice, and so would a priority on implementing new I/O technologies.

[modul8tr]

When I read this, first thing I thought was, SJ wanted the Apple/WSJ meetings to be secret.


I don't think there's anything to see here.


"CEO of multibillion dollar tech corporation is a bit snappish!!!"

Isn't that a given?

[kdarling]

"CEO of multibillion dollar tech corporation is a bit snappish!!!"

Isn't that a given?

Not at all. There are plenty of CEOs (and Generals) who aren't jerks. For that matter, think of famous basketball or football coaches... some are blustery and self-centered, some are total gentlemen and yet win just as much or more.

As for CEOs, it seems to me that the good ones usually worked their way up by way of their own hard work.

The ruder types had to use other people as stepping stones. Not knowing how to do or create anything themselves, they instead gather people who know how to do, from business to design, and keep them mostly in the background.

[bruinsrme]

The need to maintain secrecy is greater than ever. Do you see how quickly Chinese companies churn out rip offs of new iPod designs?

Where do you think the parts are being made and where will the ipads will be assembled?
USA, Canada, Germany, France, someones garage?

CHINA.......

[3goldens]

I think Jobs is getting a little like Howard Hughes, its becoming borderline psychopathic!

Sad!

[cmaier]

I think Jobs is getting a little like Howard Hughes, its becoming borderline psychopathic!

Sad!

No he's not and no it's not. If someone signs an NDA they need to shut their pieholes. It's not encumbent upon SJ to do everything out in the open. The idiot should have respected the NDA, been appreciative of the opportunity to get a sneak peak, and kept his stupid snide tweet to himself.

[muskratboy]

A few people I remember from back in college who were always tripping acid? Well, not much positive to say about their lives at this point in time either.

reallly? all the acid-heads at my college are now mostly lawyers... and making enough to buy and sell you all day long.

and now they just drink. alot.

maybe your opinion is more because of attending a crappy college, hm? :p

also, equating forgery and fraud to "really liking secrets" is a pretty far stretch. my guess for the culprit, again, is the crappy college.

[mac jones]

perhaps almost dying about 3 times has made him a bit cranky.

next....

[mikes70mustang]

Jobs needs to just start wearing a shirt that says "im a douche"

[nxent]

How is he a liability, exactly?

well, executives of potential partner companies might be less inclined to deal with sj if he's going to go apesh** over seemingly minor incidents. they might prefer to do business with companies with a more open cuture (such as google)

obviously not a reflection on product quality, but bad pr over all-

[modul8tr]

Well, I don't believe any of us have personal relationships with Steve Jobs. Any random second hand account read in the media can not be taken as absolute fact. To come to the conclusion that a VERY private person is a "jerk", or "psychopathic", seems ridiculous to me. And honestly, what's the point of putting that negativity out there?

Speculation is one thing. To declare it as fact is another.

Anytime that I've met or worked with someone that I'd been told would be difficult, arrogant, crazy, a flake etc. It was never the case. Any well known person that I had negative preconceived ideas about (mainly through the media) have turned out to be QUITE the opposite in person.

I've also worked with people I'd given no prior thought to, that unfortunately were nasty and incredibly unpleasant. FWIW, most of these types were lesser knowns that were superstars in their own mind.


My point earlier, was that when the head of a multibillion dollar corporation has to wheel and deal with the heads of other multibillion dollar corps. behind closed doors.....it's not hard to imagine things often becoming QUITE tense. No matter how much of a gentleman/woman they are. Everyone wants to protect their interests and has a lot on the line.

I don't think these actions *always* reflect on a person's true character outside that setting.

[kingtj]

All I was trying to say is, it's probably a big mistake to believe one can determine the personality/disposition of an individual by trying to "label" them based on their claimed religious beliefs and/or propensity to do certain drugs when they were younger.

Certainly, just being a member of the "hippie generation" in the 60's doesn't tell you much of anything -- since a huge number of those people got older and became a part of the very "establishment" they claimed to be against. I've seen a LOT of former hippie types who drive BMW's and work as stock brokers, CEOs of companies, etc. etc.

And I wasn't "equating forgery and fraud" to "really liking secrets" either. How could you, really? It was simply one example of a person I knew really well who claimed to be Buddhist in faith, yet they had no problem reconciling that belief system with an ability to justify their illegal activities. If that's possible for a person, it's SURELY possible to claim to be Buddhist and yet have an arrogant, self-centered/self-important attitude, and go around belittling others.


reallly? all the acid-heads at my college are now mostly lawyers... and making enough to buy and sell you all day long.

and now they just drink. alot.

maybe your opinion is more because of attending a crappy college, hm? :p

also, equating forgery and fraud to "really liking secrets" is a pretty far stretch. my guess for the culprit, again, is the crappy college.

[AnalyzeThis]

well, executives of potential partner companies might be less inclined to deal with sj if he's going to go apesh** over seemingly minor incidents. they might prefer to do business with companies with a more open cuture (such as google)

obviously not a reflection on product quality, but bad pr over all-

The other business executives (content providers) are not very bright, otherwise they would show Apple to the door right away. What they all misunderstand: Apple will destroy their business in the end for the sake of selling gadgets.

[koruki]

You know what's sad? For example, the Chinese rip-off iPhones were way better than the Apple ones. They had a removable battery, worked on any network, had spots for SD cards, etc... I mean, the list goes on. Plus, they were $400 cheaper.

If the Chinese can make a better version of the iPhone in a few weeks, what does that say about Apple? :(

I take it you own one and are happy with it? Cause I've played with a couple rip off chinese iPhones (friends who couldnt afford real one bought) and they were a joke, so wat if they cram all that stuff into a phone that doesnt even work properly, no multitouch, response was bad (you couldnt slide the screen left or right if you did it too quickly) I literally had to scroll across the screen at 1cm per second or it'd just lock up.

[NT1440]

Again, I'd like to submit the idea that some programs report metadata such as OS, or even types of components, for marketing and ad tracking reasons. If there are tweeting apps that do this (which there probably are), jobs would have every right to be pissed off.

[Eric S.]

Again, I'd like to submit the idea that some programs report metadata such as OS, or even types of components, for marketing and ad tracking reasons.

Again ???

:rolleyes:

[pondie84]

Again, I'd like to submit the idea that some programs report metadata such as OS, or even types of components, for marketing and ad tracking reasons. If there are tweeting apps that do this (which there probably are), jobs would have every right to be pissed off.

I thought we'd already established this wasn't the case with tweets.

[cmaier]

well, executives of potential partner companies might be less inclined to deal with sj if he's going to go apesh** over seemingly minor incidents. they might prefer to do business with companies with a more open cuture (such as google)

obviously not a reflection on product quality, but bad pr over all-

That outcome seems unlikely. Potential partner companies like to make money.

[scottness]

Silly, but excusable by Apple's performance under his leadership. This thread is what is laughable.

[Silencer]

Apple secrecy frustrates consumers at times.

[Porco]

I think this depends on the headline and the facts doesn't it?

'STEVE'S MAD CONTROL ISSUES EXTEND TO CENSORSHIP OF TWEETS FROM iPAD!!!!'

is a bit different to

'Industry Insider Contravenes Confidential Business Meeting Just To Look Cool To His Twitter Followers'

The truth is probably somewhere in between.

[marksman]

What is the Online Editor 12 years old?

[marksman]

Yelling at an online executive editor when you're trying to sell him and his friends on your device, is pretty lame.

Not a smart way to negotiate with hard nosed New Yorkers, who must already see Jobs, with his Valley Girlish "awesome" statements, as a full-of-himself West Coast flake to begin with.

LOL. Your hatred of Apple makes you post the most illogical things.

[marksman]

It was the WSJ Online Executive Editor, who is charge of online media presentation. He is arguably the single most important person at the company to impress with your multimedia delivery device and cooperative skills.

The online managing editors under him are the ones who make sure the website has the latest news, the videos and other multimedia to go with them, along with charts, photos, chat and feedback areas and you name it.

In other words, just the area that Jobs is trying the hardest to create as a new revenue source via the iPad... and the very reason he was in NYC.


And the fact that a guy with such a position would do something so stupidly incompetent is astounding.

Clearly many people here have not worked at any serious level of business. Suffice it to say what this guy did was way out of line and 100% unprofessional.

Steve had every right to get mad at him. It should not have even been an issue. It should have never crossed this guys mind to do something so stupid. He should be fired for showing such poor judgment. I mean this really is horrible judgment on his part.

It is not just "oh well this is just a tweet no big deal." That is what people who will never be a managing editor of anything say. When you get to that level, you know better, and you should know how to behave and act in such circumstances, and that anyone at the WSJ at that level would do that is pretty disconcerting and to me is a blackeye on their entire organization.

[halledise]

There is a thin line between genius and insanity.

and there's a thin line between standing on the beach fishing and looking like an idiot :)

[NT1440]

I thought we'd already established this wasn't the case with tweets.

The tweet doesn't matter, its the app that sends the tweet. There are plenty of apps in the appstore that send all kinds of information out. Thats how you get those ad graphs of what model devices and OS's are being used.

[kdarling]

LOL. Your hatred of Apple makes you post the most illogical things.

Nice try at handwaving. I don't hate Apple. I do dislike tantrum throwing bosses. Didn't like it in the Army. Don't like it as a civilian.

And I can tell you from many years of experience as a visiting Southerner who's been part of many high-status meetings up here in the Northeast, exactly what many New Yorkers think of West Coasters to begin with.

Jobs throwing a childish fit and stupidly drawing more attention to the tweet, would've just reinforced their concept of him.

Which is why you didn't see the editor's boss make him post an apology. Instant, he commented on Apple's "general paranoia about news coverage ". The lack of an apology tells us a lot.

[NT1440]

Nice try at handwaving. I don't hate Apple. I do dislike tantrum throwing bosses. Didn't like it in the Army. Don't like it as a civilian.

And I can tell you from many years of experience as a visiting Southerner who's been part of many high-status meetings up here in the Northeast, exactly what many New Yorkers think of West Coasters to begin with.

Jobs throwing a childish fit and stupidly drawing more attention to the tweet, would've just reinforced their concept of him.

Which is why you didn't see the editor's boss make him post an apology. Instant, he commented on Apple's "general paranoia about news coverage ". The lack of an apology tells us a lot.
Perhaps he had an actual reason to be pissed about the tweet?

[NT1440]

Again ???

:rolleyes:

I'm sorry, I haven't been following the thread every page, did someone mention the app the tweet was sent from? If not, the point still holds some merit.

[CFreymarc]

He's nuts. Glad he's back. :D

Yup. The best in the business are like this. The rest just fall in the being reasonable and mortgage paying trap.

[21st100]

Apple needs a new CEO. One that does not suffer from paranoia and who is not acting like he was still in the 1980s when the Internet and open communication flow where still stuff for science fiction movies.

It's 2010, Steve. Your version of 1984 does not belong here.


I Agree 100%, Jobs has passed his expiry date and should be replaced, he is more of an hindrance than any help.
I have respect for the Apple name and absolutely no respect for Mr. Jobs.... If he behaves in this manner for the stupidest, tiny, insignificant incidents with major partners i'm sure he wont last too long.
The thought of buying an iPad has never entered my mind and never will with apples stupidly overpowered app filtering.
Ill wait until a practical tablet comes out, not materialistic...oh wait The Adam (http://androinica.com/2010/02/15/suck-it-ipad-notion-inks-adam-tablet-has-flash-support-and-built-in-camera/), and look at that it has flash support... that must have been really hard to implement.

[cmaier]

I Agree 100%, Jobs has passed his expiry date and should be replaced, he is more of an hindrance than any help.
I have respect for the Apple name and absolutely no respect for Mr. Jobs.... If he behaves in this manner for the stupidest, tiny, insignificant incidents with major partners i'm sure he wont last too long.
The thought of buying an iPad has never entered my mind and never will with apples stupidly overpowered app filtering.
Ill wait until a practical tablet comes out, not materialistic...oh wait The Adam (http://androinica.com/2010/02/15/suck-it-ipad-notion-inks-adam-tablet-has-flash-support-and-built-in-camera/), and look at that it has flash support... that must have been really hard to implement.

You guys really need to reevaluate the criteria by which you judge the performance of CEOs - because that's not how it works.

[kostasw]

You guys really need to reevaluate the criteria by which you judge the performance of CEOs - because that's not how it works.

I do agree with this... Although CEOs and their 'quality' / proficiency / modus operandi vary a lot, the CEO of a company like Apple puts a lot at risk to push agendas and strategies thorugh. Confidentiality is a huge risk and trusted partnerships are paramount.

If Steve needs something to be deleted, it must be for a damn good reason. Surely we all think he's seasoned enough not to be throwing little tantrums...

[Truffy]

Seems to me that Alan Murray should've used a little more discretion given the situation, and Steve Jobs should've tempered his temper (if he was indeed furious). Sounds like neither side covered themselves in glory.

[knightlie]

The need to maintain secrecy is greater than ever. Do you see how quickly Chinese companies churn out rip offs of new iPod designs?

The only thing the Chinese can glean from a single Twitter post is that a) it has internet access and b) you can type stuff on it.

Jobs should calm down a little, he's starting to harm Apple's image, IMO.

[Friscohoya]

Why are people still talking about this? And people say Steve should calm down...?

[Lastaria]

Steve Jobs is a Pr!ck. We all know this.

But frankly it is because he has this nature that Apple got built up to the brand it is today.

You need ruthless people at the helm. Apple as a company is a pretty decent company and I will always love them. But I also know for a company to do well you might need someone at the helm you do not particularly like.

Steve Wozniak will always be my favourite of the Apple founders and he embodies the spirit of the company. But despite this I would take Jobs heading it over him because it would not be the global company today that it is.

[Black Belt]

Someone needs to kick Jobs in the nuts.

"Not feeling so god-like now, are we Mr. Jobs."


Actually Stevie was pissed because the guy was going to make a Video-Skype Call...oh I shouldn't have said that. Nevermind.

[Rocketman]

I think you gents are simply wrong. Apple (Steve) wants Apple to be sufficiently wholesome to not run afoul of any cultural norms or barriers with the PRODUCT.

Until they adopt an adults only segment, or better yet, a differently branded variant of iTUNES, this is the inevitable clash between marketing geeks for a corporation, and developers and users accustomed to an unfettered internet.

iPad is not unfettered. It is closed. It will become less closed over time but the opt-in standards for "porn" (there's a widely defined term) will be higher than most. The good news is when (not if) sexually explicit content is actually available for iPad and iPhone, it will be in an environment where the counter-arguments are moot.

One thing I will say however. Steve, please hurry. We need less noise.

Rocketman

[NT1440]

Ah, good to see this thread is still nothing but a pissing and moaning bitchfest against jobs. It's cool that you guys don't seem to enjoy anything other than echo-chambers against a man that has little to no impact on your life.

Ever think there may have been a reason Jobs didn't want anything sent from the iPad (as I've asked several times now)?

[NIPRING]

I'm sure the real Jobs never really made it. This is an iJobs running on the new A5 chip. I'm sure of it.

[Maserati7200]

There is a fine line between genius and insanity
That's not how Apple sees it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USn5t5nQWU8)

[f00f]

Yelling at an online executive editor when you're trying to sell him and his friends on your device, is pretty lame.

Not a smart way to negotiate with hard nosed New Yorkers, who must already see Jobs, with his Valley Girlish "awesome" statements, as a full-of-himself West Coast flake to begin with.

Being a New Yawka myself, I agree with that 99%. :D

NY is a tough town. No question. But the hellabucks (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/7352204/Hella-number-scientists-call-for-new-word-for-1000000000000000000000000000.html) associated with Steve and his girlishness would probably let him get away with being himself, even in this tough town. ;)

[Maserati7200]

Being a New Yawka myself, I agree with that 99%. :D

NY is a tough town. No question. But the hellabucks (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/7352204/Hella-number-scientists-call-for-new-word-for-1000000000000000000000000000.html) associated with Steve and his girlishness would probably let him get away with being himself, even in this tough town. ;)

Have you not noticed how many people use Macs here... and we have 4 apple stores here, all of which are still really crowded. I think NY'ers will tolerate anything about Apple, just as long as they can actually get a genius bar appointment.

[kdarling]

Have you not noticed how many people use Macs here... and we have 4 apple stores here, all of which are still really crowded. I think NY'ers will tolerate anything about Apple, just as long as they can actually get a genius bar appointment.

New York is full of artists, who tend toward Macs.

It's also a city that embraced the term "metrosexual"... and the iPhone is a metrosexual's dream device: pretty and simple and gratifying.

[kevinh456]

Has it occurred to anyone that the press from having this tweet removed is greater than the original tweet?

I wouldn't have known about the tweet, but I know about the tweet being removed.

If anything, I consider it great marketing. As they say, no news is bad news.

The whole reason they hold everything so close to their chest is so they can use the controlled leak/release of information to generate more press. First you get press from the story, then you get another story because of the removal of the story. As a bonus, you get to send the rumor community a twitter trying to figure out what might be true -> more press.

No one ever holds the removal against Apple, because "That's just what Apple does". It's not like it's a surprise....

Kevin

[JS82189]

This is the kind of ridiculous extremeness that led to the Chinese worker's suicide over the lost proto-type.. Im not sure why Steve cares about this but not about freaking PEEWEE HERMAN having one?? :confused: :confused: :confused:

[Ubuntu]

The need to maintain secrecy is greater than ever. Do you see how quickly Chinese companies churn out rip offs of new iPod designs?

Heaven forbid they actually implement better software! :D

[helenkan]

Has it occurred to anyone that the press from having this tweet removed is greater than the original tweet?

I wouldn't have known about the tweet, but I know about the tweet being removed http://privateniche.info/image/34/b/happy.gif.

If anything, I consider it great marketing. As they say, no news is bad news.

The whole reason they hold everything so close to their chest is so they can use the controlled leak/release of information to generate more press. First you get press from the story, then you get another story because of the removal of the story. As a bonus, you get to send the rumor community a twitter trying to figure out what might be true -> more press.

No one ever holds the removal against Apple, because "That's just what Apple does". It's not like it's a surprise....

Kevin

Yea, it was probably pre-planned.

[trublood]

tht's insane deleting all the TWEETS lol u can expect tht frm STEVE http://tinytwitt.com/content/15/smile.gif

[expectdelay]

Apple needs a new CEO. One that does not suffer from paranoia and who is not acting like he was still in the 1980s when the Internet and open communication flow where still stuff for science fiction movies.

It's 2010, Steve. Your version of 1984 does not belong here.

AAPL is 250% of its value 12 months ago.

iPhone market share is up significant amounts in the last 12 months (different source disagree on the numbers, but they all agree that Apple is up)

Apple's first fiscal quarter of 2010 proved to be its best ever.

Whatever Jobs is doing, its working.

[nioted]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPad; U; CPU iPad OS 4_0 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7D11 Safari/528.16)

What's the big deal?

sent from my iPad.

[rdowns]

This is the kind of ridiculous extremeness that led to the Chinese worker's suicide over the lost proto-type.. Im not sure why Steve cares about this but not about freaking PEEWEE HERMAN having one?? :confused: :confused: :confused:


Do you really believe Pee Wee Herman had one? :rolleyes:

[applesupergeek]

Apple needs a new CEO. One that does not suffer from paranoia and who is not acting like he was still in the 1980s when the Internet and open communication flow where still stuff for science fiction movies.

It's 2010, Steve. Your version of 1984 does not belong here.

yeah they need a new ceo who understands "communication", like a moron tweeting from the ipad to say that they tweeted from the ipad, great communicative stuff...:rolleyes:

[sectime]

yeah they need a new ceo who understands "communication", like a moron tweeting from the ipad to say that they tweeted from the ipad, great communicative stuff...:rolleyes:
As as been posted before... You are not a lawyer, or work for the FCC, have a clue what the penalties are for Apple for using a non approved device in the USA. So please get over yourselves.

[lPHONE]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_1_2 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7D11 Safari/528.16)

This comment was sent from my iPad.

new sig!

[justinfreid]

Hey justinfreid please erase this message OR I MIGHT HAVE TO KILL YOU!

Sincerely, Steve Jobs. :D

Woah, sorry.