Dell ships 27-inch display using iMac's panel

[evirob]

Hi Guys,

What do u think of this display?

It's fairly good, specs wise except for the design and lack of LED backlight. Thinking bout using it together with my i7 as a secondary display. Not sure bout yellow tinge though

http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/02/10/dell.ultrasharp.u2711.hits.2560x1440/

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd&sku=224-8284&redirect=1

It's goin for pretty cheap in Singapore though....

[jessica.]

I am not being sarcastic but can you help me understand how this 27" panel from Dell is the same that is in the iMac? I'm real curious because I am not versed on what panel they're using today in the iMacs.

[belvdr]

I am not being sarcastic but can you help me understand how this 27" panel from Dell is the same that is in the iMac? I'm real curious because I am not versed on what panel they're using today in the iMacs.

It looks like s/he pulled it from the second link.

[jessica.]

It looks like s/he pulled it from the second link.

Oh **** you're totally correct. I missed the link inside the second link showing the iMac panel write-up.

Very interesting and yet, I've got nothing to add to the OP's question. ;)

[Cave Man]

Yes, it's the same panel, but it's CCFL backlit instead of LED.

[belvdr]

Yes, it's the same panel, but it's CCFL backlit instead of LED.

Besides power consumption, what's the difference with this in reality? Does it make the panel inferior?

[Cave Man]

Energy use isn't much of an issue, but the LEDs have more even illumination, longer life (CCFLs begin to fade as soon as you start using them), and are mercury-free (unlike CCFLs).

[TennisandMusic]

Energy use isn't much of an issue, but the LEDs have more even illumination, longer life (CCFLs begin to fade as soon as you start using them), and are mercury-free (unlike CCFLs).

It's not like they start going bad right when you open it. I am going on four years with my Apple Cinema Display 24" (back when they were matte and actually nice :-P), and it still looks great with constant use. I actually have to turn the brightness down still.

My buddy got one of these dell panels for 750 bucks direct from Dell. These things, assuming they don't have a bad anti glare coating, will stomp all over the iMac shiny-as-all-get-out implementation.

[evirob]

Yeah, I assume those people who hate the iMacs' glossy display will have another viable alternative.

It's just a waste that the design especially at the rear look like crap. In addition to that, LED isn't really that much more costly if its added...

[belvdr]

Yeah, I assume those people who hate the iMacs' glossy display will have another viable alternative.

It's just a waste that the design especially at the rear look like crap. In addition to that, LED isn't really that much more costly if its added...

But how many times are you working on the back of the monitor? ;)

[TennisandMusic]

Yeah, I assume those people who hate the iMacs' glossy display will have another viable alternative.

It's just a waste that the design especially at the rear look like crap. In addition to that, LED isn't really that much more costly if its added...

How often do you look at the rear of a monitor? Never?

[Eidorian]

A premium product with that color gamut. Ultrasharps are not for the faint of heart.

[Mr. McMac]

I love Dell monitors, but this thing way overpriced!

[knewsom]

Wow, $1100? The extra $900 I paid for an i7 computer with 4 gb RAM, a decent graphics card, a DVD burner, exquisite design, whisper-quiet operation, a 1 TB HD, wifi, gigabit ethernet, the Mac OS, AND LED backlighting instead of the CFL seems like a truly remarkable deal.

[TennisandMusic]

You guys apparently don't read.

You can get it much cheaper. My friend just bought one for about 750 or so direct from Dell.

Combine that with what it costs to build the internals of a 2000 iMac, and no, those machines are nowhere close to a "good deal." Especially since when (not if) the hard drive dies, you have to take it to the teenagers at the mall to get it fixed, instead of spending 5 minutes doing it yourself.

The iMac is a 600 dollar machine, with a 750 dollar monitor. Please don't say the 2000 you spent on it is a great deal. Oh yeah, to the guy above, you spent 2000 on an i7? Where? The i7 is 2200 (a 200 dollar upcharge, on a retail difference of 90 dollars for not much more performance).

[mcruzader]

You guys apparently don't read.

You can get it much cheaper. My friend just bought one for about 750 or so direct from Dell.

Combine that with what it costs to build the internals of a 2000 iMac, and no, those machines are nowhere close to a "good deal." Especially since when (not if) the hard drive dies, you have to take it to the teenagers at the mall to get it fixed, instead of spending 5 minutes doing it yourself.

The iMac is a 600 dollar machine, with a 750 dollar monitor. Please don't say the 2000 you spent on it is a great deal. Oh yeah, to the guy above, you spent 2000 on an i7? Where? The i7 is 2200 (a 200 dollar upcharge, on a retail difference of 90 dollars for not much more performance).

How did your friend get it for 750? Care to let us in on the secret?

[evirob]

But how many times are you working on the back of the monitor? ;)

LOL...it's certainly true...

I just thought maybe they might like to care a wee bit more on the overall product and not just on tech specs like a certain famous british designer. Especially when a large amount of potential buyers might be creatives...:D

[TennisandMusic]

How did your friend get it for 750? Care to let us in on the secret?

He called Dell. You always get a better price by calling rather than just going through the website. These things aren't really 1099.

[evirob]

How did your friend get it for 750? Care to let us in on the secret?

Guess his friend might have got it out of US. Cos it's selling for ard USD$750 in my country.

[knewsom]

You guys apparently don't read.

You can get it much cheaper. My friend just bought one for about 750 or so direct from Dell.

Combine that with what it costs to build the internals of a 2000 iMac, and no, those machines are nowhere close to a "good deal." Especially since when (not if) the hard drive dies, you have to take it to the teenagers at the mall to get it fixed, instead of spending 5 minutes doing it yourself.

The iMac is a 600 dollar machine, with a 750 dollar monitor. Please don't say the 2000 you spent on it is a great deal. Oh yeah, to the guy above, you spent 2000 on an i7? Where? The i7 is 2200 (a 200 dollar upcharge, on a retail difference of 90 dollars for not much more performance).

Got a discount. Don't forget the excellent case design, exceptional energy efficiency, and of course, the OPERATING SYSTEM.

And no, the iMac is NOT a 600 dollar machine.
CPU - $289 (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202)
GPU - $100 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131162&cm_re=ATI_4850-_-14-131-162-_-Product)
Mobo - ~$160 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130239)
RAM - $250 (http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=iMac%202.8GHz%20Quad-Core%20Intel%20Core%20i7%20(27-inch%20-%20DDR3)%20Late%202009&pl=Apple&cat=)
DVD burner - ~$50
HD - ~$100

Grand total? $949. WITHOUT an OS or TAX or CASE. ...And yes, I listed the RAM for the iMac, not for the mobo I posted - I realize that motherboard's RAM would be cheaper, but we need to compare apples to apples here. I just picked a motherboard that would be a fairly appropriate match.

The iMacs ARE quite well priced, all things considered. The "Apple Tax" is really quite miniscule on this particular product.

[JimKirk]

That is a 4GB chip.

Apple gives you 2 2GB chips. Total about 100 probably less.

[knewsom]

That is a 4GB chip.

Apple gives you 2 2GB chips. Total about 100 probably less.

Apologies - I was too hasty. $120 from crucial for 4GB in 2 chips.
http://www.crucial.com/store/mpartspecs.aspx?mtbpoid=F27B1357A5CA7304

So $130 cheaper - total now at $820, no OS, no PSU, no case.

[knewsom]

I THOUGHT so.

[alent1234]

You guys apparently don't read.

You can get it much cheaper. My friend just bought one for about 750 or so direct from Dell.

Combine that with what it costs to build the internals of a 2000 iMac, and no, those machines are nowhere close to a "good deal." Especially since when (not if) the hard drive dies, you have to take it to the teenagers at the mall to get it fixed, instead of spending 5 minutes doing it yourself.

The iMac is a 600 dollar machine, with a 750 dollar monitor. Please don't say the 2000 you spent on it is a great deal. Oh yeah, to the guy above, you spent 2000 on an i7? Where? The i7 is 2200 (a 200 dollar upcharge, on a retail difference of 90 dollars for not much more performance).

i spent 2 hours comparing specs and prices yesterday. except for the graphics card and that's a maybe, the $2000 iMac is the same price as a similar Dell once you add everything in. if you want an IPS monitor from Dell, you have to go for the Studio XPS 9000 system. It's $1500 including tax. Add $300 if you want a 3 year warranty. and then you have to factor in the price of the monitor on iMacs.

Studio Mini-Tower Intel® Core™ 2 Duo E7600 (3MB, 3.06GHz, 1066FSB) RME76H [224-6403]
Operating System Genuine Windows® 7 Ultimate, 64bit, English W7U6E [330-6097][420-6436][420-6576][420-7938][420-8873][420-9691][421-0323][421-0530][421-1183][421-2039]
Memory 6GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz - 4DIMMs 6GB864 [311-9442]
Keyboard Dell Wireless Desktop Keyboard & Mouse WRLSKM [330-1258]
Monitors 24.0" Dell ST2410 Full HD Monitor with VGA cable ST2410 [320-1075]
Video Cards nVidia GeForce GTS 240 1024MB GTS240 [320-0909]
Hard Drive 1TB Serial ATA Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/DataBurst Cache™ 1TBS [341-7644]
Floppy Drive and Media Reader Integrated 16-in-1 Media Card Reader INTMCR [311-9655]
Mouse Mouse included with Keyboard purchase NONE [310-5678]
Network Card Integrated 10/1000 Ethernet IE [430-3322]
Modem No Modem Option N [313-7115]
Adobe Software Adobe® Acrobat® Reader 9.0 Multi-Language AAREAD [410-1867]
Optical Drive 16X DVD+/-RW Drive W7DVDRW [313-8899][421-1363][421-1412]
Sound Card Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio IS [313-7114]
Speakers Dell AX510PA 10 Watt Flat Panel Attached Speaker for Flat Panel Monitors AX510PA [313-6320]
Wireless Dell 1525 WLAN PCIe card with11n mini-Card & external antenna DW1525 [430-0682]
Office Productivity Software (Pre-Installed) Microsoft® Works 9 WK9MHSE [421-0306][421-0462]
Security Software McAfee SecurityCenter, 15-Months MC1015M [410-6666]
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Datasafe Dell Online Backup 5GB for 1 year DOB5GB [420-9519][988-0099][988-7717]
Entertainment and Editing Software WildTangent Games

[scroto]

The dell monitor will be under $500 in a few months, Unlike Apple products the price will start high and drop over time. Apple prices start high and stay high.

[unamused]

what it comes down to is... the imac is probably one of the better priced machines in apple's lineup.

It still has some of the apple tax added of course... but compared to say a macbook pro vs a pc laptop, the imac doesnt cost AS much more.

[SaSaSushi]

The dell monitor will be under $500 in a few months,

Cool! Then I'll buy one and use it in dual display with my i7. I'm going to need a bigger desk...

One thing though, that Dell looks like a nice panel but like most of their products it is a fugly looking design.

[lilo777]

Besides power consumption, what's the difference with this in reality? Does it make the panel inferior?

Quote: "For one, Apple uses LED backlighting whereas the U2711 sticks with CCFL technology. But isn't CCFL worse? That depends on what you're after; the iMac 27 offers a 72% color gamut while the U2711 has a 102% color gamut (based on the CIE 1931 standard)."

Full review here (http://www.anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=3725).

[rw3]

http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p2763.m38.l1313&_nkw=U2711&_sacat=See-All-Categories

[Hexley]

Has anyone used the U2711 with a Mac? I am planning to buy this and hook it up to my early 2008 Macbook Pro with Nvidia 8600GT 256MB. This will eventually be connected to a 27-inch iMac once Apple refreshes the line.

[js81]

How did your friend get it for 750? Care to let us in on the secret?

There's a $799 version of that monitor - the 2709W - but its only 1920x1200 instead of 2550x1440. Definitely NOT the same panel as the iMac (on the cheaper one). Maybe that's how his friend got such a deal...

[finnrose]

I kind of wish that Mac displays were matte. :( Much better for photo editing which is about all I do.

[nutritious]

The dell monitor will be under $500 in a few months, Unlike Apple products the price will start high and drop over time. Apple prices start high and stay high.

I doubt it. It's a pretty high-end monitor...but it I suppose it'll go down some in the coming months/year

[Eidorian]

I doubt it. It's a pretty high-end monitor...but it I suppose it'll go down some in the coming months/yearThe U2410 hasn't dropped a dime. At best it was $499 over Christmas.

Dell's high end displays stay expensive and if they drop $100, expect a new model around the corner.

I'd really like to know what coupons and pormo codes they used to get the U2711 down to $750. Maybe I can do the same for the U2410.

[raysfan81]

Unlike Apple products the price will start high and drop over time. Apple prices start high and stay high.

Unfortunately this is very true :mad:

[treoguy]

If this is available for $750, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. Already went the yellow tinge iMac route and don't care to go that way again. Happy with speed of my MacPro, but looking to upgrade my aging ACD. It's still great, but I did like the iMac for the week I had it.

Anyone have luck getting the price down?

[HLdan]

If this is available for $750, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. Already went the yellow tinge iMac route and don't care to go that way again. Happy with speed of my MacPro, but looking to upgrade my aging ACD. It's still great, but I did like the iMac for the week I had it.

Anyone have luck getting the price down?

You might wanna check first to be sure that the 27" Dell doesn't have a yellow tinge, it doesn't have to be unique to Apple, they're using the same panels.

[Kebabselector]

Looks a nice monitor. Seems Dell are learning from Apple with regards to the UK pricing as it's £1006.98

[Salavat23]

This is not the same Apple's panel, I don't know why you guys are saying it is.

[SaSaSushi]

This is not the same Apple's panel, I don't know why you guys are saying it is.

Because it is the same panel, only with CCFL backlighting as opposed to LED.

[Eidorian]

You might wanna check first to be sure that the 27" Dell doesn't have a yellow tinge, it doesn't have to be unique to Apple, they're using the same panels.I'd still take the Dell U2711 (http://www.anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=3725) over what Apple sports.

[Btom]

I'd still take the Dell U2711 (http://www.anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=3725) over what Apple sports.

Explain, please?

Tom B.

[Eidorian]

Explain, please?

Tom B.It's a matte standalone display with multiple inputs and a wider color gamut. I haven't seen any coupon codes for it yet.

I didn't forget the warranty either.

[SaSaSushi]

I'd still take the Dell U2711 (http://www.anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=3725) over what Apple sports.

I'd take it in addition if I could afford it. I didn't know it was a competition between the two. The Dell's sort of missing the computer end of it, not to mention an attractive design.

[Btom]

I kind of wish that Mac displays were matte. :( Much better for photo editing which is about all I do.

http://www.radtech.us/Products/ClearCal-Displays.aspx

Tom B.

[niceified]

It's a matte standalone display with multiple inputs and a wider color gamut.
Wide gamut displays are only good for Photoshop. For every thing else, they make the colors very oversaturated.



http://www.radtech.us/Products/ClearCal-Displays.aspx
Those films make the image all rainbowy. It's even worse when put on glass.

[Btom]

It's a matte standalone display with multiple inputs and a wider color gamut. I haven't seen any coupon codes for it yet.

I didn't forget the warranty either.

You got me puzzled with the gamut. Similar panel should give similar one, right?
I remember seeing some info on gamut of the new iMacs some time in October, I think, but can't find it now. Somehow it was in the context of advantages of the LED technology...

Tom B.

[Kallel00]

Wide gamut displays are only good for Photoshop. For every thing else, they make the colors very oversaturated.



Yes, be carefull people. I had a Dell 2408 WFP with the same type of wide gamut display. No problems whatsoever with Photoshop, Lightroom, Firefox , ie software that supports wide gamut.

Everything else was oversaturated, especially the reds ... desktop, games, etc.


I returned the monitor after two weeks. Worst purchase ever .


IMac27 still is a pretty good value for the money, especially since it can still act as a good monitor couple years from now when somebody upgrades for a new computer.

[Eidorian]

You got me puzzled with the gamut. Similar panel should give similar one, right?You'd have to go with RGB LED over the WLED on the iMac. The Dell uses classic CCFLs as a compromise. RGB LEDs would have demanded an even higher price over CCFLs.

[Btom]

....
Everything else was oversaturated, especially the reds ... desktop, games, etc.
.....

Could you set proper color spaces/profiles?

Tom B.

[MacRumorUser]

Bloody expensive here though...

27 Dell monitor = Total € 1,133.77

27 inch imac = €1,409.65 incl. VAT

€270 euro extra gets you a full computer.

[Btom]

You'd have to go with RGB LED over the WLED on the iMac. The Dell uses classic CCFLs as a compromise. RGB LEDs would have demanded an even higher price over CCFLs.

Both CCFLs and WLEDs use phosphorus to generate white light. I am still puzzled, will have to research it a little bit more (are we comparing apples and apples here? - pun not intended).

Tom B.

[Max(IT)]

It's fine to do with a monitor (same manufacturer, same panel, different brand), but please stop comparing Dell's "crapware" with Apple's iMacs. Please.
A computer it's not "all about tech specs".

And, before you ask, in my organization we have something like 60 Dell desktops (and several notebooks), different models.
Just my two cents

[hippo206]

He called Dell. You always get a better price by calling rather than just going through the website. These things aren't really 1099.

Called today trying to get this for 750. Rep basically laughed at me. I even had my IT see how much it would be under corporate account, and it wasn't 750.

[Max(IT)]

Called today trying to get this for 750. Rep basically laughed at me. I even had my IT see how much it would be under corporate account, and it wasn't 750.

300$ discount only by making a telephone call ? Quite impossible in my opinion
I think 100$ is the best you can achieve

[treoguy]

Called today trying to get this for 750. Rep basically laughed at me. I even had my IT see how much it would be under corporate account, and it wasn't 750.

Figured as much. I've been able to get it around $1k, but will sit on the sidelines for a bit more. I'm holding out hope that Apple will introduce a new monitor, but it doesn't seem likely. Plus, given the issues with the 27" iMac, I'm not so sure I'd be first in line to purchase from Apple.

[alent1234]

Called today trying to get this for 750. Rep basically laughed at me. I even had my IT see how much it would be under corporate account, and it wasn't 750.


check fatwallet or anandtech or any other deals site. 1Q is the time for all the tech deals

[hippo206]

check fatwallet or anandtech or any other deals site. 1Q is the time for all the tech deals

I was just trying to see if what TennisandWallet was saying was true. I actually knew before calling there was no way. I was involved with ordering 50 pc's for our new building from dell. I know how the pricing game works, and I knew for a 1 pc order, there was no way I was going to recieve any discount.

As for anandtech, I don't know about this particular monitor deal, but the hot deals are always out of stock when I go to order them. I just don't have time to camp the site for new deals.

[Aadhil]

Here's a 24" cinemavew display. For $500 it aint bad. I don't know if they're going to manufacture a 27" in the future though.

http://www.cinemaview.com/images/index_04_2kz_paste-2kz.png

[illibball087]

Here's a 24" cinemavew display. For $500 it aint bad. I don't know if they're going to manufacture a 27" in the future though.

http://www.cinemaview.com/images/index_04_2kz_paste-2kz.png

looks bootleggish to me any have anyone experience with this company?

[Max(IT)]

Here's a 24" cinemavew display. For $500 it aint bad. I don't know if they're going to manufacture a 27" in the future though.

http://www.cinemaview.com/images/index_04_2kz_paste-2kz.png

it is very attractive indeed, but what's about tech specs ? I can't find any on their web site (only resolution, input/output and basics specs).

Is it a LED display ?

[Mr Bow]

I looked all over the site too and it doesn't say...which leads me to believe that it is CCFL not LED. The response times and viewing angles also suggest that it isnt IPS either.

So while it looks nice...it may not be that good a value at $500

[Max(IT)]

I looked all over the site too and it doesn't say...which leads me to believe that it is CCFL not LED. The response times and viewing angles also suggest that it isnt IPS either.

So while it looks nice...it may not be that good a value at $500

If it's true, definitely doesn't worth $500

[scroto]

How many times does it have to be said the price of the Dell monitor will drop over time unlike the imac. As far as I know the Dell doesn't have yellowing issues, tons of dead pixels, blotches behind the moniter or a laptop permanently attached to it either.
With both AMD and Intel coming out with six core desktop CPU's In a couple of weeks your imac's are going to be middle of the pack computers just like they've always been anyways.

[Jaro65]

It's just a waste that the design especially at the rear look like crap. In addition to that, LED isn't really that much more costly if its added...

I was just thinking that. The monitor looks decent from the front, but the back does not have a very attractive design. Also, volume-wise, this thing does not appear any smaller than a 27" iMac.

[yargk]

The U2410 hasn't dropped a dime. At best it was $499 over Christmas.

Dell's high end displays stay expensive and if they drop $100, expect a new model around the corner.

I'd really like to know what coupons and pormo codes they used to get the U2711 down to $750. Maybe I can do the same for the U2410.

The U2410s went down to 499 again recently on the small business website.

I'm not a monitor expert, but from my experience the average panel isn't very good, but this is what most people buy so price just dictates what sells, not a price/performance balanced look. Using 24 inch 1920X1200 monitors as an example, many are around $300, but they aren't very good. Professionals know this and some very high end monitors are around $1000. There seem to be only a few that offer great performance at a reasonable price. The Dell U2410 is one of these.

I'd like to get a 2560 width monitor, but they are too expensive right now. There's only a handful of them and the 2560X1600 30 inchers are around $1200 at the cheapest. This new dell U2711 seems to be the least expensive way to get the resolution in a decent monitor, but it too is still too pricy for me.

Also, at 1099 you might as well get the 30 inch samsung that has more vertical resolution for 1200.

[yargk]

Here's a 24" cinemavew display. For $500 it aint bad. I don't know if they're going to manufacture a 27" in the future though.

http://www.cinemaview.com/images/index_04_2kz_paste-2kz.png

This is a huge rip off. You can get the same specs from a $280 monitor without looking hard.

[archipellago]

This is a huge rip off. You can get the same specs from a $280 monitor without looking hard.

I love the irony...

[pionata]

How many times does it have to be said the price of the Dell monitor will drop over time unlike the imac.

So in a couple of weeks our i7 iMacs currently beating the 16 cores pcs on geekbench will be "middle of the pack"? Or you mean they will be beeten by a 4000$ mac pro with a 1000$ plastic monitor (for which at that price you can get 2 iMacs)? Beaten at what anyway? I have trouble pushing the i7 processor over the 25% mark with many applications running and complex routing.

[yargk]

I love the irony...
Well if you are referring to the post I made before I can see the irony. But I figured this cinema wannabe is probably a low quality monitor in a fancy case, so if you are even considering it you might as well by a cheap monitor that's actually cheap.