Never thought I'd buy a Touch for my 1-year-old, but...

[6-0 Prolene]

My daughter has become a fan of my wife's iPhone... She loves looking at pictures, and some of the apps for little kids from toddler on up are great! She's started rotating the iPhone around to rotate pics, etc.

In the interest of not destroying our iPhone 3G's, we decided to get her a Touch--and a good protection plan that covers accidental damage. :)

For some reason I had a hang-up about doing this, but the more I see the educational apps that are available, the better I feel about it. It really seems like the iPod touch is becoming an educational tool for kids. We'll see how it goes...

[dukebound85]

ive always been a fan of leap frog for that age group

cheaper and more robust

I mean, seriously, children that age don't care about gadgets and will take an interest an any type of gadget if it's put in front of them so why buy her a touch which is pricy and has a very very very good chance of being dropped and broken

[James Craner]

Apart from anything else an iPod touch is not child safe, the thing has glass in it for a start. Don't give it to a baby.

[6-0 Prolene]

ive always been a fan of leap frog for that age group

cheaper and more robust

I mean, seriously, children that age don't care about gadgets and will take an interest an any type of gadget if it's put in front of them so why buy her a touch which is pricy and has a very very very good chance of being dropped and broken

I looked at those... the devices themselves are cheaper, but the individual apps are much more expensive and harder to come by. Touch apps (obviously) are $2 or less and downloadable any time.

In a good case, the touch is a pretty resilient device, and the protection plan covers the big hits if there are any.

[flopticalcube]

Toddlers are rough on toys, even girls. If she gets frustrated she may throw it. I would wait a bit to see what her temperament turns out to be.

[6-0 Prolene]

Toddlers are rough on toys, even girls. If she gets frustrated she may throw it. I would wait a bit to see what her temperament turns out to be.

She doesn't really throw any of her toys, and she doesn't play with either of our iPhones unsupervised either. In the unlikely event, though, all the surfaces she plays on are carpeted.

[dukebound85]

so go buy one. sounds like you made up your mind

just dont complain if she breaks it

[6-0 Prolene]

so go buy one. sounds like you made up your mind

just dont complain if she breaks it

Re-read the OP. Already bought with protection plan.

[dukebound85]

So what is exactly the point of this thread?

[6-0 Prolene]

So what is exactly the point of this thread?

Just a comment on what I never thought would be a use for a Touch.

With a little reading, the point of the thread is pretty easy to figure out.

[gazzamac]

dont put the WIFI on. the baby may grow an extra ear :)

[seb-opp]

this reminds me of when a guy came on here asking for advice on which macbook pro to buy for their 3 year old son

[Primejimbo]

Don't 1 year old kids put things in their mouth still? I'm not sure if this is even safe. All you need is for one of the volume buttons or the on/off button to come off in her mouth and that's it.
I had a hard time thinking of getting my 11 year old one.

[rgarjr]

Looks like she's starting the apple fangirl club real young. :P

[sjinsjca]

Apart from anything else an iPod touch is not child safe, the thing has glass in it for a start. Don't give it to a baby.

An adhesive screen protector would seem to make the screen pretty safe, performing the same function as the thin rubbery layer that's sandwiched into safety glass.

[Mac-Michael]

Way to go OP. Only the best for your kid :apple:

[gazzamac]

could you hold off with the ipod and wait for the release of the ipad ?
Your child may find the bigger screen and 1 Ghz processor a more responsive

[jessica.]

Way to go OP. Only the best for your kid :apple:

I always wonder when newbies sign up whether they're the OP.

But OP, not my first choice toy for a baby but then again it's not my life, baby, money, or headache.

[dukebound85]

nah, better get a tricked out mac pro

only the best!

[6-0 Prolene]

could you hold off with the ipod and wait for the release of the ipad ?
Your child may find the bigger screen and 1 Ghz processor a more responsive

Haha. :)

[6-0 Prolene]

Looks like she's starting the apple fangirl club real young. :P

It's never too early. :D

[Mac-Michael]

You guys don't trust your kids much, do you? ;)

[James Craner]

iPod touch Explodes in Kid's Pocket

Link : http://gadgets.softpedia.com/news/iPod-Touch-Explodes-in-Kid-039-s-Pocket-Fires-Up-Pants-Mom-Sues-1903-01.html

While I am sure this is very rare, it highlights that this is not a device that is baby/toddler friendly.

[Primejimbo]

An adhesive screen protector would seem to make the screen pretty safe, performing the same function as the thin rubbery layer that's sandwiched into safety glass.

Who said the rubber cases or any care for the iPod Touch are meant to be in the mouth of a kid?

Next Thread: Apple won't fix my kids iPod Touch because of water damage

[rgarjr]

Next Thread: Apple won't fix my kids iPod Touch because my kid dumped it in the toilet

Haha, good predictions..

[-aggie-]

When is she going to jailbreak it?

A couple more years and she can start driving.

[Primejimbo]

Haha, good predictions..

And a friend said I was a bad parent for giving my 11 year old an iPod Touch :D
She guards that thing better than I do my iPhone

[tremlock]

Have one for my 2 year old, he's always supervised and on carpet. Never had an issue. Got a cheap one off eBay.

[cantthinkofone]

I wouldn't buy my 1 year old a ipod touch, or any other electronic device. All she wants to do with my iphone is chew on it :p

[MacSince1990]

My daughter has become a fan of my wife's iPhone... She loves looking at pictures, and some of the apps for little kids from toddler on up are great! She's started rotating the iPhone around to rotate pics, etc.

In the interest of not destroying our iPhone 3G's, we decided to get her a Touch--and a good protection plan that covers accidental damage. :)

For some reason I had a hang-up about doing this, but the more I see the educational apps that are available, the better I feel about it. It really seems like the iPod touch is becoming an educational tool for kids. We'll see how it goes...

....There is a multitude of evidence that shows "educational" software (or education of any kind) helps infants not at all.

[onehoop]

Refurbed 8gb ipt's are only $150. Get a case for it that covers the ports and you're golden. I'd be more concerned about shock hazard if she's really one. I'm guessing that she's closer to two?

I wondered what would happen when my brother's girls were playing with his and his wife's iPhones. I'm pretty sure they had to put a kibosh on it since he's on call sometimes.

[6-0 Prolene]

When is she going to jailbreak it?

A couple more years and she can start driving.

Feels like it... I'm already wondering where the time is going.

[6-0 Prolene]

Refurbed 8gb ipt's are only $150. Get a case for it that covers the ports and you're golden. I'd be more concerned about shock hazard if she's really one. I'm guessing that she's closer to two?

I wondered what would happen when my brother's girls were playing with his and his wife's iPhones. I'm pretty sure they had to put a kibosh on it since he's on call sometimes.

Yeah, I'm on call too, and my favorites list is filled with plenty of surgeons who probably don't want to chat with her. :)

I found a new 8GB for $186 and was able to get an excellent replacement plan--not as cheap as the refurb but the replacement plan makes for peace of mind.

[jsol92]

There are educational products out there that are much more SAFE and hands-on for a 1-year old. Products that are actually DESIGNED by companies that hire child/behavioral psychology majors to benefit young children in the highest degree, rather than an iPod on steroids designed by Computer Majors that might not even know how to change diapers.

It's your choice, but if I were a parent the educational apps would be very tempting - but I don't think they would outweigh the benefits of devices/programs that are actually designed to be age-specific.
Both hardware AND software are streamlined to educate a child when you buy a device from a company like Leapfrog.
I don't know about you, but that starts sounding pretty good when you consider that Apple doesn't make hardware to educationally benefit children and the software is made by third-parties that aren't necessarily certified to make apps that truly educate in the most effective way.

But anyways....wow...never thought iPods would come this far. It takes a lot of balls to make the first step towards forcing apple to market towards 1-year-olds, but someone had to do it :P
I can see it now - iChild. An iPod Touch covered in styrofoam with a UI more dumbed-down than Windows 1.
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[ZazenZach]

i don't know why but this really pi$$es me off.

we have people dying in haiti, homeless kids here in the USA, babies dying in Africa, and you decide to buy that for your 1 year old.

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[greygray]

You should have just bought an Otterbox Case Defender for the iPhone. So what happens if you have a Mac and the kid plays with it next after losing interest in the iPhone? You're going to buy her a Mac too?

[lionheartednyhc]

i don't know why but this really pi$$es me off.

we have people dying in haiti, homeless kids here in the USA, babies dying in Africa, and you decide to buy that for your 1 year old.

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

There are a multitude of reasons to object to the OPs actions, but this has got to be the stupidest kneejerk reaction ever.

Did you buy anything today, or splurge on anything today, that you didn't need? Maybe some coffee? Or a side of garlic bread with your dinner?

WHY? THERE ARE CHILDREN DYING IN HAITI!???!?!?! WHY DIDN'T YOU DONATE THAT MONEY?

[Mac-Michael]

i don't know why but this really pi$$es me off.

we have people dying in haiti, homeless kids here in the USA, babies dying in Africa, and you decide to buy that for your 1 year old.

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Well, it's his money, man. And I never understood why do we have to save everybody. That obsession is going to hurt us. It's simply unnatural, it's what makes nations and humanity mediocre.

[ranguvar]

i don't know why but this really pi$$es me off.

we have people dying in haiti, homeless kids here in the USA, babies dying in Africa, and you decide to buy that for your 1 year old.

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Then what are you doing wasting your time on macrumors? There are kids dying out there that need your help!

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[coolbreeze]

Ridiculous post. :rolleyes:

[vini-vidi-vici]

It's your kid and your life... but isn't there any consideration that kids should just be human, and spend time interacting with... oh, maybe other humans? instead of electronics?

[netdog]

It's your kid and your life... but isn't there any consideration that kids should just be human, and spend time interacting with... oh, maybe other humans? instead of electronics?

Our three year old loves her touch and uses a Mac very handily as well.

Oh, by the way, she spends plenty of time interacting with humans.

[eawmp1]

I'm sure her friends will drool over it.
OP, we all want the best for our kids and I can understand you wanting to have your child technologically savvy. I also understand you not wanting her to break your stuff. However, there are far more appropriate toys/tools to hit her developmental "sweet spot". Supervised time with YOU interacting with her, whether with a toy, a book, an iPod Touch is far better than handing something to her and letting her go it alone. And while too young for this lesson, at some point if it does break, the lesson of "sorry, you broke it and it won't be replaced" is an important life lesson. So, use it sparingly, interact with her, tell her "no" when she wants it too much it is depriving her of other needs. And expect to get a lot of ****** on this forum.

[fthl]

Wish I could afford to.

In the OPs defence, my two and a half year old loves my touch, mainly because I use it as a last ditch pacification tool in supermarkets/restaurants etc. I've loaded it with Mickey Mouse, Dora and Pepper Pig...

[Dagless]

Well, I wouldn't. I'd get a device designed for a child or one that can create.
Back when all my friends had NES, Master System etc my folks bought me an Amiga. And instead of playing games all the time I used the art and music packages and that gave me a real good start. But I was around 5-6 at the time.

[greygray]

Well, it's his money, man. And I never understood why do we have to save everybody. That obsession is going to hurt us. It's simply unnatural, it's what makes nations and humanity mediocre.

Then what are you doing wasting your time on macrumors? There are kids dying out there that need your help!



Did you buy anything today, or splurge on anything today, that you didn't need? Maybe some coffee? Or a side of garlic bread with your dinner?

WHY? THERE ARE CHILDREN DYING IN HAITI!???!?!?! WHY DIDN'T YOU DONATE THAT MONEY?

These posts have completely no link to the OP's questions. :rolleyes:

[Roy Hobbs]

i don't know why but this really pi$$es me off.

we have people dying in haiti, homeless kids here in the USA, babies dying in Africa, and you decide to buy that for your 1 year old.

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

So should I donate the money I will be spending on the iPad? Maybe I should rethink buying a new home since there are other people who need MY money. I assume everyone on this forum works hard for the money they earn and the last thing they want to hear is your belly aching about those less fortunate.

FYI, my 3 year old loves her iPod touch and has been using it since she was 2 and had been using my iPhone damn near since birth.

If you teach a kid to handle things with respect they will.

[mattwolfmatt]

i don't know why but this really pi$$es me off.

we have people dying in haiti, homeless kids here in the USA, babies dying in Africa, and you decide to buy that for your 1 year old.

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

This is ridiculous.

Do you drive a car? You should take a bus everywhere or better yet, walk. I assume you are donating every dollar you make, over the poverty line, to charity. WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN??!?!?

[6-0 Prolene]

i don't know why but this really pi$$es me off.

we have people dying in haiti, homeless kids here in the USA, babies dying in Africa, and you decide to buy that for your 1 year old.

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

I'm a surgeon in the Army and I spend 80-100 hours a week taking care of war casualties in addition to my regular patient load. My wife spends her time working in sexual assault prevention and crisis intervention. I'm next in line to GO TO HAITI if the medical relief effort drags on any longer. I just finished a research paper that will be presented in a national surgical meeting about caring for pediatric trauma patients in combat zones during humanitarian efforts.

Sorry that's not enough to make it OK with you that we bought our child something to play with.

What kind of Mac are you typing your drivel on? I assure you you could be doing it on a much cheaper one. Please feel free also to list your home, car, and other property details so that we can publicly ridicule you for your conspicuous extravagance. Thanks.

[6-0 Prolene]

Well, I wouldn't. I'd get a device designed for a child or one that can create.
Back when all my friends had NES, Master System etc my folks bought me an Amiga. And instead of playing games all the time I used the art and music packages and that gave me a real good start. But I was around 5-6 at the time.

Hint: There are plenty of art and music apps available on the App store... The Piano in "Baby Apps" is one of her favorites right now.

[niuniu]

Would be interesting as the kid grows to see how intuitive the browsing is on the device..

[jessica.]

i don't know why but this really pi$$es me off.

we have people dying in haiti, homeless kids here in the USA, babies dying in Africa, and you decide to buy that for your 1 year old.

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
Wow, just wow.
It's the OP's kid and money ... sure people will disagree but in the end he has and will do what he wishes. Why there is a thread about it is beyond me, but then again I'm just envious because I want to start a thread about how I laid on the couch and did nothing until 9 am this morning and I never thought I would.

[6-0 Prolene]

Would be interesting as the kid grows to see how intuitive the browsing is on the device..

She's already figured out how to rotate photos and scroll through them... at age 12 months. I was pretty impressed, but I might be a little biased. :)

[6-0 Prolene]

Wow, just wow.
It's the OP's kid and money ... sure people will disagree but in the end he has and will do what he wishes. Why there is a thread about it is beyond me, but then again I'm just envious because I want to start a thread about how I laid on the couch and did nothing until 9 am this morning and I never thought I would.

Just trying to bring up the fact that there are a ton of apps for babies/toddlers/kids and I had never thought of the Touch as a device with an educational use.

Sorry if that's not exciting enough for you.

[triscuitbiscuit]

An iPod touch is no where near anywhere appropriate for a 1 year old. It is a waste of money. If you want her to have something to interact with, go get a leapster or something to that effect, not an iPod touch. She can flick through photos- oh wow- a monkey can do that if trained. All that requires is moving your finger across the screen- nothing special there. Your 1 year old however does not have anywhere near the motor coordination to use what it is intended for, nor can she read, nor does she have the mental understanding of what the device is and how to function it. Obviously you want something to provide entertainment and education for her- get something designed for her age, not an iPod Touch.

[6-0 Prolene]

An iPod touch is no where near anywhere appropriate for a 1 year old. It is a waste of money. If you want her to have something to interact with, go get a leapster or something to that effect, not an iPod touch. She can flick through photos- oh wow- a monkey can do that if trained. All that requires is moving your finger across the screen- nothing special there. Your 1 year old however does not have anywhere near the motor coordination to use what it is intended for, nor can she read, nor does she have the mental understanding of what the device is and how to function it. Obviously you want something to provide entertainment and education for her- get something designed for her age, not an iPod Touch.

Wow, thanks for comparing my child to a trained monkey. But yes, my trained monkey can flip to a photo, rotate the device 90 degrees a couple times, then flip to the next pic.

The sheer inappropriateness of it all explains why there are so many apps available for toddlers.

Please feel free to post your complete computer/ipod/phone configuration so I can determine whether you've wasted your money or are using your devices for "what they're intended for."

That's all I can come up with right now without getting insulting. Seriously, who the F do you think you are?

[lionheartednyhc]

These posts have completely no link to the OP's questions. :rolleyes:

Neither does this. Sometimes, in a conversation, there can be side topics. Welcome to humanity.

[6-0 Prolene]

Neither does this. Sometimes, in a conversation, there can be side topics. Welcome to humanity.

Especially true since I asked no questions in my OP...

I'm glad I've been set straight though--I'm a dangerous, frivolous, materialistic parent for buying such a thing. I should've bought a bunch of different piles of plastic for her to outgrow so she could move on to another device.

How ridiculous to purchase 1 device with a slew of age-appropriate apps for her, that can also play music and video or play games when she's old enough to use those features. Oh, the humanity.

[madmaxmedia]

For the people who are dumping on the idea, do you actually have a young child who has played around with a Touch?

Granted I have older kids (4 and 8), but they love my iPod Touch. The interface is so well-designed it is intuitive for even little kids. There are also a lot of great apps for kids of all ages, both educational and entertainment. I don't remember when they started fooling around with my iPods, but its been at least a couple of years (so not that far off from the OP.) This is also a viable alternative to say buying a DVD player for the car.

Leapsters are okay, but the commercials really oversell them- the screen is washed out and graphics are poor, so they get cast aside for a DS Lite (or a iPod Touch.) And yes, a 2 year old notices the difference.

Finally, the Apple Touch OS is only going to get more pervasive in the years ahead. I think there is some educational benefit for a child simply to get familiar with a graphical computer interface, especially a popular one like Apple's.

And what is with the Haiti reference? That has no place here. An iPod Touch is ultimately going to be a great educational and entertainment device for a child, what has that got to do with Haiti? You do know that people buy far more expensive toys for their kids don't you? And regardless, that has nothing to do with whether a person has donated time or effort to charity!

[6-0 Prolene]

I've also come to love the assumption that I'm getting this Touch so that she can use it instead of interacting with other human beings or me.

I'm proof of this crazy theory that a child can actually use an electronic device WITH their parents, and that they can actually do so without sacrificing human interaction. Wild, I know, but I think it just might work.

And if these devices are such horrible destroyers of human interaction, why do ANY of us own them?

[Sdashiki]

I think the real question to the OP is the same many ask of all the other threads JUST LIKE THIS ONE...

Why did you feel the need to tell anyone, especially on these boards, about giving a young child something that for all intents and purposes is NOT for a young child?

The iPhone for the toddler, the MBP for my 6yr old, MacPro for a sewing circle: its nothing new.

If you want to do it, go for it, but why come here and be surprised people are going calling you crazy, rich, yuppie or anything else that comes to mind when someone DOES do something that goes against the grain?

IMO, which is all this thread is about anyway, its silly. But its only so silly before its inanely stupid to come here and, basically, brag about it?!

[madmaxmedia]

IMO, which is all this thread is about anyway, its silly. But its only so silly before its inanely stupid to come here and, basically, brag about it?!

What part of his original post was 'bragging' in nature? This is what he said-

For some reason I had a hang-up about doing this, but the more I see the educational apps that are available, the better I feel about it. It really seems like the iPod touch is becoming an educational tool for kids. We'll see how it goes...

'We'll see how it goes...' It's an experiment, and something he didn't see other people doing. So he posted about it in a discussion board.

Other people think its frivolous or not appropriate, that's fine too. Again, it's a discussion board. But some of the responses seem really knee-jerk.

[6-0 Prolene]

I think the real question to the OP is the same many ask of all the other threads JUST LIKE THIS ONE...

Why did you feel the need to tell anyone, especially on these boards, about giving a young child something that for all intents and purposes is NOT for a young child?

The iPhone for the toddler, the MBP for my 6yr old, MacPro for a sewing circle: its nothing new.

If you want to do it, go for it, but why come here and be surprised people are going calling you crazy, rich, yuppie or anything else that comes to mind when someone DOES do something that goes against the grain?

IMO, which is all this thread is about anyway, its silly. But its only so silly before its inanely stupid to come here and, basically, brag about it?!

Haha... that's funny. I'm guessing, if you think that the cost of an iPod touch is a brag-worthy expense, you probably don't have a kid. It certainly wasn't my intent to brag about a not-very-major purchase.

The reason I felt compelled to mention it is because I also thought a month or so ago that an iPod touch is not for a small child. Then I saw her playing with our iphones, I looked at the kid-friendly apps in the App Store, and thought differently. The whole assertion was that maybe, just maybe, it's not as "not for kids" as one might think.

It's ridiculous to me that I could be accused of bragging as an owner of a device that this forum is intended for owners of. Oh well.

[6-0 Prolene]

What part of his original post was 'bragging' in nature? This is what he said-

'We'll see how it goes...' It's an experiment, and something he didn't see other people doing. So he posted about it in a discussion board.

Other people think its frivolous or not appropriate, that's fine too. Again, it's a discussion board. But some of the responses seem really knee-jerk.


Thank you for actually reading my posts and comprehending the message.

[Sdashiki]

It's ridiculous to me that I could be accused of bragging as an owner of a device that this forum is intended for owners of. Oh well.

Did you ask a question to the forum? No. Seems you wanted to get other people's opinions, but you didnt frame it that way at all.

So how is it not "bragging" (choose your own adj if you must) to state something you have to have known would get the creative posting juices flowing on ALOT of posters here?

You mentioned doing something most people here would frown at, as noted by many of the subsequent comments.

And its par for the course that a parent has to point out the ol "You must not have kids" routine, like it has anything to do with anything you asked...oh wait you didnt ask anything. ;)

[gazzamac]

I didn't realize such a thread as this would prove so contentious.

It's just a bit of fun


gazzamac
aged 2 3/4

[6-0 Prolene]

Did you ask a question to the forum? No. Seems you wanted to get other people's opinions, but you didnt frame it that way at all.

So how is it not "bragging" (choose your own adj if you must) to state something you have to have known would get the creative posting juices flowing on ALOT of posters here?

You mentioned doing something most people here would frown at, as noted by many of the subsequent comments.

And its par for the course that a parent has to point out the ol "You must not have kids" routine, like it has anything to do with anything you asked...oh wait you didnt ask anything. ;)

So rather than ask some kind of clarification, assume the worst. Nice work.

And no, an iPod touch in the scheme of the amount of money spent on a kid isn't all that much, so not brag-worthy. I was under the (mistaken) impression that buying an iPod touch and mentioning that purchase on an IPOD TOUCH FORUM wouldn't be construed as bragging. What an assumption.

Reminds me of the "who the hell would play GAMES on a phone??!!" crowd from a few years ago.

[6-0 Prolene]

So how is it not "bragging" (choose your own adj if you must) to state something you have to have known would get the creative posting juices flowing on ALOT of posters here?

Posting an opinion that stimulates discussion is "bragging?"

You know, there are a lot of dictionary apps available for your iPod touch too.

[Sdashiki]

So rather than ask some kind of clarification, assume the worst. Nice work.

And no, an iPod touch in the scheme of the amount of money spent on a kid isn't all that much, so not brag-worthy. I was under the (mistaken) impression that buying an iPod touch and mentioning that purchase on an IPOD TOUCH FORUM wouldn't be construed as bragging. What an assumption.

Reminds me of the "who the hell would play GAMES on a phone??!!" crowd from a few years ago.

I dont see what you dont understand. You posted what you were doing, and are complaining people arent going along with what you are doing.

Do you care if someone thinks its silly? No, you dont.

So why are you still on this "im not bragging" thing, when obviously you are...otherwise you wouldnt mention a rhetorical statement and defend it as you are.

[6-0 Prolene]

I dont see what you dont understand. You posted what you were doing, and are complaining people arent going along with what you are doing.

Do you care if someone thinks its silly? No, you dont.

So why are you still on this "im not bragging" thing, when obviously you are...otherwise you wouldnt mention a rhetorical statement and defend it as you are.

Add "rhetorical" to "bragging" on the list of words whose definitions you need to review.

You clearly want your assumptions to be true so badly that you're completely ignoring the fact that you're sounding like a complete idiot. Have fun with that.

[Sdashiki]

Add "rhetorical" to "bragging" on the list of words whose definitions you need to review.

You clearly want your assumptions to be true so badly that you're completely ignoring the fact that you're sounding like a complete idiot. Have fun with that.

Nice personal attack... ;)

You, sir, are what I said...the fact you are refreshing this topic over and over so you can be the direct next reply...Im outta here...not enough oxygen left...the yuppies took it all.

[sjinsjca]

i don't know why but this really pi$$es me off.

we have people dying in haiti, homeless kids here in the USA, babies dying in Africa, and you decide to buy that for your 1 year old.

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

By all means, we should help the folks in Haiti, and Africa, and those homeless kids you refer-to. Help the folks in Haiti build a country that isn't as rat's-ass dysfunctional and corrupt as that hellhole has been since time immemorial. Help them with charity in the short term, sure, then by encouraging industriousness in the long term ...by being their customers. Because in the long run, once they're past their horrific current crisis, Haiti (and Africa, and homeless folks) needs jobs, not handouts.

Meanwhile, OP wants his child to have an educational and stimulating experience. Nothing wrong with that whatsoever. He can get an iPod Touch on Ebay for the cost of maybe three or four family outings to the movies. Go for it, is my advice and encouragement to the OP.

Meanwhile, let's figure out what's keeping Apple (for example) from building iPod Touches in Haiti. Instead of posturing for some sort of Most Sympathetic Politician award, our leaders should analyze that, then fix things so it can happen. Nothing else can help Haiti in the long run. Certainly not OP eschewing an iPod Touch purchase.

[6-0 Prolene]

Nice personal attack... ;)

You, sir, are what I said...the fact you are refreshing this topic over and over so you can be the direct next reply...Im outta here...not enough oxygen left...the yuppies took it all.

Bye bye now. Don't want me to respond? Don't post.

[mkrishnan]

I think we're done here. There is little attempt going on in this thread at discussion, either by the OP or by most anyone else, and there really never was.