When is the next update?

[xWhiplash]

Does anybody have any clue when the next update will be? I really need a new computer since mine is annoying me. Should I wait for a Mac Pro, or should I just go ahead and get an iMac instead? I would like to get one now, but the iMac is MUCH better and MUCH cheaper right now.

I could use one in the next month or two if that helps.

[CCK]

March 16th has come up as a possible date on the web but...
I'm in the same boat, but an imac won't work for me.

[Umbongo]

Any time from tomorrow through June. Probably sooner than later.

[nanofrog]

I've seen March 16th, 2010 as the release date from Intel as to the next line of processors. Assuming Apple has actually followed their recent history with Intel, they'd have early access to certain parts (those they chose to use).

I'd think that means that there will be an announcement soon, with systems to ship in say March or April before any other vendor could possibly do so, as they didn't have access to the parts yet (save Engineering Samples to use for testing their designs).

[xWhiplash]

Considering I am brand new to the mac systems (earliest I purchases was late 2008 iMac models and I was not interested in the Mac Pro at that point), do you think there will be a price drop? Or will there be at least a major increase between the i7 iMac and the new Mac Pros?

[Techhie]

Considering I am brand new to the mac systems (earliest I purchases was late 2008 iMac models and I was not interested in the Mac Pro at that point), do you think there will be a price drop? Or will there be at least a major increase between the i7 iMac and the new Mac Pros?

If anything, the price will go up for even less performance. Unless Apple completely turns their perspective around, the '08s will remain the best value.

[ditosou]

Does anybody have any clue when the next update will be? I really need a new computer since mine is annoying me. Should I wait for a Mac Pro, or should I just go ahead and get an iMac instead? I would like to get one now, but the iMac is MUCH better and MUCH cheaper right now.

I could use one in the next month or two if that helps.

there is another thread with this subject... The unofficial "I'm Waiting for Arrandale" thread.... you have 10.000 messages to read :)

[Techhie]

there is another thread with this subject... The unofficial "I'm Waiting for Arrandale" thread.... you have 10.000 messages to read :)

Arrandale is a mobile platform, he is talking about the Mac Pro release, which will use Gulftown.

[ditosou]

Arrandale is a mobile platform, he is talking about the Mac Pro release, which will use Gulftown.

sorry.... you are right. The "pro" is not there but I see it everywhere :)

[xWhiplash]

If anything, the price will go up for even less performance. Unless Apple completely turns their perspective around, the '08s will remain the best value.

So an iMac would be better in the long run?

[Techhie]

So an iMac would be better in the long run?

It really depends on your usage of the machine, which I'm sure you've heard before. The bottom line is that you shouldn't get one is you don't depend on the upgradability or are planning for an 8-core model for heavy use, at least with the '09 MPs. That might change if the prices go down, but at the going rate, you are getting a much better value in the iMac than the baseline quad.

[smacman]

If anything, the price will go up for even less performance. Unless Apple completely turns their perspective around, the '08s will remain the best value.

That is a bit of an exaggeration isn't it? The 08 machines were definitely the best value on the Mac Pro line to date, but the 09 machines did offer improvements (at too much of a cost) in the CPU and memory department. The 2010 models will likely expand on this.

[slughead]

That is a bit of an exaggeration isn't it? The 08 machines were definitely the best value on the Mac Pro line to date


??? what about 2006??

[mac88]

That is a bit of an exaggeration isn't it? The 08 machines were definitely the best value on the Mac Pro line to date, but the 09 machines did offer improvements (at too much of a cost) in the CPU and memory department. The 2010 models will likely expand on this.

I totally agree with you. The 08 models were far better than the 09 version. If the 2010 models don't offer something of an upgrade on the 09, I would definitely consider buying an 08 refurbished. I'll just wait and see.

[smacman]

??? what about 2006??

Great machines, but EFI64 on the 08 models makes it the best value yet in my opinion.

[nanofrog]

??? what about 2006??
The 32 bit EFI firmware takes some of the value away from it.

Since Apple is no longer willing to support those systems (already a problem for graphics card updates, and will be in the near future for OS releases), it takes some of the value away from them (less attractive in the used system market for those that realize these issues exist).

They're still quite capable systems for Windows or Linux, just not much longer for OS X (assuming the latest version is desired). If a user can use an older copy (contains K32), its still fine as well (especially those with Quad core CPU's).

Dual core CPU models, not so much IMO, as what's spent in the used market can be put towards a much better system, such as an '08. Not that much more $$$ (assuming the seller isn't insane), but you end up with much more computer and the ability to retain it for longer.

[Max(IT)]

The 32 bit EFI firmware takes some of the value away from it.

Since Apple is no longer willing to support those systems (already a problem for graphics card updates, and will be in the near future for OS releases), it takes some of the value away from them (less attractive in the used system market for those that realize these issues exist).

They're still quite capable systems for Windows or Linux, just not much longer for OS X (assuming the latest version is desired). If a user can use an older copy (contains K32), its still fine as well (especially those with Quad core CPU's).

Dual core CPU models, not so much IMO, as what's spent in the used market can be put towards a much better system, such as an '08. Not that much more $$$ (assuming the seller isn't insane), but you end up with much more computer and the ability to retain it for longer.
and do you know for sure that Apple is not going to support EFI32 in the next OSX revision ?
I don't think so ...

EFI32 is a problem for video card upgrade, so far ...

[Cathode]

and do you know for sure that Apple is not going to support EFI32 in the next OSX revision ?
I don't think so ...

EFI32 is a problem for video card upgrade, so far ...

Who knows? Apple has historically been known for dropping support of older hardware and software; leaving old users isolated from new features/upgrades.

It's entirely possible that OS X 10.7 will not support EFI32.

[mif]

there is no substitute for cores. ;)

[nanofrog]

and do you know for sure that Apple is not going to support EFI32 in the next OSX revision ?
I don't think so ...

EFI32 is a problem for video card upgrade, so far ...
Apple announced they're going to be dropping K32 support shortly after SL shipped (MR front page at the time). They don't like supporting interim products, (K32 + K64 OS is such a product), and it will happen soon. So either 10.7 or 10.8 at the latest, which isn't that far off.

As you already state (and is proven), EFI32 is already a problem for graphics card upgrades (ceased support on those systems for using the latest cards). So why does it seem unreasonable to you that they'll drop support for K32 in the near future?

[Max(IT)]

Apple announced they're going to be dropping K32 support shortly after SL shipped (MR front page at the time). They don't like supporting interim products, (K32 + K64 OS is such a product), and it will happen soon. So either 10.7 or 10.8 at the latest, which isn't that far off.

As you already state (and is proven), EFI32 is already a problem for graphics card upgrades (ceased support on those systems for using the latest cards). So why does it seem unreasonable to you that they'll drop support for K32 in the near future?
I can see a 10.8 without EFI32 support, but definitely not in the 10.7
So we are speaking of another 2 years (at least, maybe 3) of full support.
It's perfectly acceptable for a 2006's computer, in my opinion

[nanofrog]

I can see a 10.8 without EFI32 support, but definitely not in the 10.7
So we are speaking of another 2 years (at least, maybe 3) of full support.
It's perfectly acceptable for a 2006's computer, in my opinion
It's not bad for OS support (say 6yrs total from the initial release date of the '06 MP's), but the lack of graphics card support that exists already is a real problem. The reason is simple; it can prevent such systems from being used through that period (OS support).

It's causing problems for some already, and the stock graphics cards could die out before the OS support ceases (some already have according to posts on the forum, and may be the instigating cause for wanting a new card).

[Techhie]

It's not bad for OS support (say 6yrs total from the initial release date of the '06 MP's), but the lack of graphics card support that exists already is a real problem. The reason is simple; it can prevent such systems from being used through that period (OS support).

It's causing problems for some already, and the stock graphics cards could die out before the OS support ceases (some already have according to posts on the forum, and may be the instigating cause for wanting a new card).

We need to remember who we are discussing, it has never been unlike Apple to force semi-recent computers into obsoleteness. They have already abandoned most 2006 computers in terms of hardware, the next logical step comes through software updates. Assuming Apple cares about anything but forcing people to buy new computers is ignorant :p

[nanofrog]

We need to remember who we are discussing, it has never been unlike Apple to force semi-recent computers into obsoleteness. They have already abandoned most 2006 computers in terms of hardware, the next logical step comes through software updates. Assuming Apple cares about anything but forcing people to buy new computers is ignorant :p
I see it as two-fold, one reinforcing the other. Support = additional expense, and not providing it for long saves them money. That lack of support can also effectively force users to buy newer systems (even if it means doing so by artificial means).

It allows them to save money on one end, and obtain additional profits on the other, both increasing the bottom line. Great for Apple, but horrible for users. The only thing a user can do, is to vote with thier wallet. Only then will Apple get the message (maybe, as their focus is shifting to consumer devices - primarily the portable gadget arena as of late, given the emphasis on the iPhone, iPad and iPod).

[slughead]

The 32 bit EFI firmware takes some of the value away from it.

Only because Apple wont support it?

Got it. The hardware is fine, but Apple is about to break the software (for no reason).

If 10.7 comes out in 2011, the 2006 model will have only lasted 5 years. That's why it's a bad value?

But how do you know in 2013 Apple wont break the 2008 mac pros?

The statement I was arguing with was "X model was the best value mac pro when it was released." I think the 2006 was certainly up there. I remember trying to find equivalent home-builts that barely stacked up for that price.

[Techhie]

Only because Apple wont support it?

Got it. The hardware is fine, but Apple is about to break the software (for no reason).

If 10.7 comes out in 2011, the 2006 model will have only lasted 5 years. That's why it's a bad value?

But how do you know in 2013 Apple wont break the 2008 mac pros?

The statement I was arguing with was "X model was the best value mac pro when it was released." I think the 2006 was certainly up there. I remember trying to find equivalent home-builts that barely stacked up for that price.

Apple is in the business of selling computers. Inconveniencing some users by restricting updates isn't in any way "breaking" the machines, and they will remain great for those who aren't bothered by it. Accepting the fact that the machine will eventually be outdated is inherent with buying any computer, even if you consider a 5 year-span short.

[nanofrog]

Only because Apple wont support it?

Got it. The hardware is fine, but Apple is about to break the software (for no reason).

If 10.7 comes out in 2011, the 2006 model will have only lasted 5 years. That's why it's a bad value?

But how do you know in 2013 Apple wont break the 2008 mac pros?

The statement I was arguing with was "X model was the best value mac pro when it was released." I think the 2006 was certainly up there. I remember trying to find equivalent home-builts that barely stacked up for that price.
I look at it this way; users lost the ability to use the latest graphics cards in 2009. So at best, that's 3yrs, assuming the system was purchased in 2006. It's worse for those that bought systems in 2007. :(

Now to fix this they could have released a new firmware update that moved them to EFI64 (the hardware is actually 64 bit capable). Also, keep in mind that it's common that enterprise hardware is supported for 5yrs after it's initial release date, so what Apple did here is absolutely horrible customer service. There really is no other way to interpret this, as it's not based on technology to do this in such a short period of time. They're workstations, not budget boxes built of the least expensive parts to get it to market (it's not a mac mini).

So such a decision seems to only have financial motiviation behind it. Now some may be able to continue to use their machines, and even after there's no longer the ability to put the latest version of OS X on it. It will depend on usage.

But it's happened prematurely with hardware, and forced some users to upgrade or do so shortly (sooner than planned), when they may have been able to get another year out of it (say a 5yr lifespan).

Yet you can turn around and make a dedicated Windows workstation out of the system, and have it running a 64 bit versions of the OS, and hardware with NO problems (i.e. you can get a GTX285 working). This could be particularly useful with systems running Quad core CPU's (say using X5365's). But not with the OS that the system was meant to run. Ironic isn't it? :rolleyes:

[slughead]

I look at it this way; users lost the ability to use the latest graphics cards in 2009.

???

The 4870 apparently works fine with the Mac Pro 2006 (though not officially, apparently).

Edit: Oh, the GT285 doesn't work apparently *sadface*

[CCK]

I think that :apple: is on an ihigh, one has to hope that they'll get up tomorrow and say, oh yeah, we make comps for the creative professional with the user in mind.

[nanofrog]

???

The 4870 apparently works fine with the Mac Pro 2006 (though not officially, apparently).

Edit: Oh, the GT285 doesn't work apparently *sadface*
Correct. Apple would have users of those systems believe that neither the HD4870 or the GTX285 will work, when the HD4870 will (limitations though).

But in the end, users are loosing the ability to upgrade the graphics cards with newer models. The expected ATI 5xxx will hopefully work; just have the same limitation as the 4870 = can't do double precision floating point calcuations under Open CL. nVidia's latest offerings however, are out under OS X.

Of course you can run any PCIe based graphics card under Windows. :eek: So users could get nVidia cards for that if they choose. :p

[Dr.Pants]

The statement I was arguing with was "X model was the best value mac pro when it was released." I think the 2006 was certainly up there. I remember trying to find equivalent home-builts that barely stacked up for that price.

Apple used to have the price going for them. Hopefully we'll see a trend to the past, but not bloody likely that we'll see it cheaper then a self-built solution.

But how do you know in 2013 Apple wont break the 2008 mac pros?p

Once Apple switches firmware (to, say, maybe UEFI) then we know the machines' value is going to start rolling down a hill.

On the other hand... Any advantages to UEFI over EFI? Assuming Apple has their hooks embedded for OSX to run.

[slughead]

On the other hand... Any advantages to UEFI over EFI? Assuming Apple has their hooks embedded for OSX to run.

Is there any advantage of EFI64 over 32? apart from running the kernel in 64bit (which, seriously, who the hell cares?).

[nanofrog]

Is there any advantage of EFI64 over 32? apart from running the kernel in 64bit (which, seriously, who the hell cares?).
Limitations in available graphics cards, and is a big deal for some (i.e. can't run the newer nVidia cards).

Officially, Apple claims that the HD4870 won't work either, but it does. There are limitations with Open CL in EFI32 systems as well (assuming the card can support it), but may not matter to you (only runs in single precision floating point calculations rather than dual precision).

[slughead]

Limitations in available graphics cards, and is a big deal for some (i.e. can't run the newer nVidia cards).

Is that just in OS X or windows as well?

[nanofrog]

Is that just in OS X or windows as well?
It should be OS X only.

Theoretically there could be a problem if you're using an Apple card (contains EFI firmware rather than BIOS), and the BIOS emulation has a glitch in it. I've not seen anything to indicate this, so it's just a very slight stipulation that could occur. But I don't think this would happen.

[Max(IT)]

It's not bad for OS support (say 6yrs total from the initial release date of the '06 MP's), but the lack of graphics card support that exists already is a real problem. The reason is simple; it can prevent such systems from being used through that period (OS support).

It's causing problems for some already, and the stock graphics cards could die out before the OS support ceases (some already have according to posts on the forum, and may be the instigating cause for wanting a new card).
There can be some defective, but USUALLY in my experience (and I'm literally speaking about hundreds computers) a graphic card lasts not less than the computer ...
BTW you still can find a new X1900XT Mac Edition, on the web and it is a decent card ...

Limitations in available graphics cards, and is a big deal for some (i.e. can't run the newer nVidia cards).

Officially, Apple claims that the HD4870 won't work either, but it does. There are limitations with Open CL in EFI32 systems as well (assuming the card can support it), but may not matter to you (only runs in single precision floating point calculations rather than dual precision).

nanofrog, it isn't all about graphic card.
We have 12 MPs in our department, and NONE is dedicated to graphic jobs

[Cindori]

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[nanofrog]

There can be some defective, but USUALLY in my experience (and I'm literally speaking about hundreds computers) a graphic card lasts not less than the computer ...
BTW you still can find a new X1900XT Mac Edition, on the web and it is a decent card ...
I see it from the manufacturing side. 10 - 13% defect rates are the norm these days, which is appalling IMO. Is that the majority? No, but when you consider how much the Apple cards cost, it makes the sting a lot worse to many.

nanofrog, it isn't all about graphic card.
We have 12 MPs in our department, and NONE is dedicated to graphic jobs
Generally speaking, I agree with you.

But keep in mind, that a lot of members seem to be using cards for photo and video work (going by what's in their posts), where it is important. I've a strong impression more Macs are used for such purposes compared to Windows (in terms of %, not raw numbers).

[Max(IT)]

Generally speaking, I agree with you.

But keep in mind, that a lot of members seem to be using cards for photo and video work (going by what's in their posts), where it is important. I've a strong impression more Macs are used for such purposes compared to Windows (in terms of %, not raw numbers).

You are right, but for video and photo works, a Radeon X1900XT is more than enough ;)

It's limited in 3D rendering, but frankly speaking, if you need the computational power requested for this kind of heavy work, you probably are going to upgrade a 2006 MP anyway ;)
I think that most of the complains came from video gamers whining because they can't upgrade their expensive toy.

I'm not going to suggest a MP to any video-gamer, now, in the past and in the future ;)

This is only my opinion, btw

[nanofrog]

You are right, but for video and photo works, a Radeon X1900XT is more than enough ;)
I don't do such work, so I've had to rely on others to gauge what works or not. But I've been under the impression it wasn't good for video work (particularly anything above SD resolutions).

Gaming's easy IMO. It can be solved... with money. :eek: :p Just get a PC card and boot Windows (minimum). ;)

[Kissaragi]

I just hope they offer 58xx series Graphics cards as a BTO option at reasonable prices. Boost in ram and HD space would be nice too.

[Umbongo]

I just hope they offer 58xx series Graphics cards as a BTO option at reasonable prices. Boost in ram and HD space would be nice too.

With the price of memory now it is unlikely Apple will ship with more. The 2009 models were actually the first to ship without the minimum amount of RAM required (1 DIMM). Not sure they will come with a 1TB drive standard, maybe a bump to 750. For the graphics card I guess it depends what you consider a reasonable price, but I'm sure if the 5870 isn't the option (unlikely) it'll be a 3rd party upgrade.

[Techhie]

With the price of memory now it is unlikely Apple will ship with more. The 2009 models were actually the first to ship without the minimum amount of RAM required (1 DIMM). Not sure they will come with a 1TB drive standard, maybe a bump to 750. For the graphics card I guess it depends what you consider a reasonable price, but I'm sure if the 5870 isn't the option (unlikely) it'll be a 3rd party upgrade.

In perspective though, they have put themselves in a position where they are forced to do some upgrades to the MP. If they were to keep bare minimum, most people would be hard pressed to pay more for less over the 27" iMac.

[gardinen]

I ordered an early '09 Mac Pro + a Dell u2410 24" monitor couple of days ago. Until I saw this website and that they're about to release a new Mac Pro model.

So now I'm just waiting for a monitor hmm.... But would be nice to order the new model though... whenever it's released.

[thedarkhorse]

what do you think is going to get axed this revision?
Apple seems to be doing this new trend of cutting or limiting it's pro products, especially base models, with every new revision released.
So what's next?
No firewire standard?
Only 2 hard drive slots on base model?
No High end gpu options(ie 5770 & lower only)?

I would rather eat my words on this one and it not be the case, but as of right now I'm willing to bet that they will pull something like this again.

[J the Ninja]

Here are some bets for specs: All dual socket, either 8 core or 12 core. No idea if they will do seperate 8 and 12 core models, or have one progression of CPus (ie, at some point on the BTO ladder, you start getting hex-cores instead of quads)

For GPUs:

5570 3x MiniDP
5770 3x MiniDP
5870 6x MiniDP

30" Cinema Display gets either updated or replaced the same day, with a MiniDP capable model. DVI is dropped from the Mac Pro, and will leave the Mini on the next update. At that point, Apple is done with DVI for good.

[Techhie]

Here are some bets for specs: All dual socket, either 8 core or 12 core. No idea if they will do seperate 8 and 12 core models, or have one progression of CPus (ie, at some point on the BTO ladder, you start getting hex-cores instead of quads)

For GPUs:

5570 3x MiniDP
5770 3x MiniDP
5870 6x MiniDP

30" Cinema Display gets either updated or replaced the same day, with a MiniDP capable model. DVI is dropped from the Mac Pro, and will leave the Mini on the next update. At that point, Apple is done with DVI for good.


I agree on the processor options, but only including MDP wod be giving the finger to the large majority of pros who don't use an Apple display. I shouldn't have to buy two $100 adapters to use my 30" displays when I'm already paying the Apple tax with the MP.

[J the Ninja]

I agree on the processor options, but only including MDP wod be giving the finger to the large majority of pros who don't use an Apple display. I shouldn't have to buy two $100 adapters to use my 30" displays when I'm already paying the Apple tax with the MP.

Since when has Apple cared? Dell and HP's newer high-end monitors support DP anyway, that's close enough as far as they're concerned.

[Techhie]

Since when has Apple cared? Dell and HP's newer high-end monitors support DP anyway, that's close enough as far as they're concerned.

I don't see how that's relevant, as you have to buy an adapter regardless. Apple had better start caring, else there won't be many people willing to blindly hand them their pocketbooks when the new MP rolls around.

[gardinen]

I think most likely there will be one those ATI cards with two DVI and one MDP. Possible to run three monitors on one card. Seems a bit more "pro" to at least get that as an option BTO or it would be standard.

[Kissaragi]

With the price of memory now it is unlikely Apple will ship with more. The 2009 models were actually the first to ship without the minimum amount of RAM required (1 DIMM). Not sure they will come with a 1TB drive standard, maybe a bump to 750. For the graphics card I guess it depends what you consider a reasonable price, but I'm sure if the 5870 isn't the option (unlikely) it'll be a 3rd party upgrade.

They have to up it from 3gb at least, The imacs have 4gb already!

[Techhie]

They have to up it from 3gb at least, The imacs have 4gb already!

If they were to up the minimum RAM, 6 GB would be the only amount they could use while still keeping profit margins and the abilty to advertise triple-channel.

[Kissaragi]

If they were to up the minimum RAM, 6 GB would be the only amount they could use while still keeping profit margins and the abilty to advertise triple-channel.

6 was the best i was expecting really, my expectations of apple are quite low these days.

[Techhie]

6 was the best i was expecting really, my expectations of apple are quite low these days.

They are going to have to boost all of the minimum specs to exceed the i5 iMac's, if they don't want to purposely cannibalize sales. This means not only a CPU upgrade (obviously), but a boost in RAM, possibly HDD and a graphics card that isn't on par with the power of a saltine. :rolleyes:

[psycodriver]

Here are some bets for specs: All dual socket, either 8 core or 12 core. No idea if they will do seperate 8 and 12 core models, or have one progression of CPus (ie, at some point on the BTO ladder, you start getting hex-cores instead of quads)



Xeon chip prices would really have to drop, for a 8 core to be standard. A Xeon X5570 Nehalem 2.93GHz is still $1,400 on New Egg.

[Techhie]

Xeon chip prices would really have to drop, for a 8 core to be standard. A Xeon X5570 Nehalem 2.93GHz is still $1,400 on New Egg.

I'm guessing they will revert back to the 2008 solution, upping the base price to ~$2,800 on a dual socket machine. I'm not sure what Xeon chips they will use to make that happen, but I'm hoping they don't castrate single threaded performance by using the 2.26 GHz model.

[CCK]

what do you think is going to get axed this revision?
Apple seems to be doing this new trend of cutting or limiting it's pro products, especially base models, with every new revision released.
So what's next?
No firewire standard?
Only 2 hard drive slots on base model?
No High end gpu options(ie 5770 & lower only)?

I would rather eat my words on this one and it not be the case, but as of right now I'm willing to bet that they will pull something like this again.

Sounds like the mini tower so many people have wanted, wouldn't be so bad if it was about $1600.

[akadmon]

If they were to up the minimum RAM, 6 GB would be the only amount they could use while still keeping profit margins and the abilty to advertise triple-channel.

Yeah, they'll up the base config to 6GB, in the process upping the price by $300 :p

[Kissaragi]

Yeah, they'll up the base config to 6GB, in the process upping the price by $300 :p

I wouldn't be surprised by this!

[Fiete5401]

Does anybody know where I can find some comparisons/test between radeon 4xxx- and 5xxx-series cards? I would be interested to see a shootout between a radeon 4870/4890 and a mid-range radeon 5770 for example. Thanks!

[nanofrog]

Yeah, they'll up the base config to 6GB, in the process upping the price by $300 :p
Very likey indeed. :eek: :D To keep prices at a more acceptable level, there's a good chance that the base memory will remain the same as the '09's (3GB for SP systems, 6GB for DP systems; 1x 1GB stick per channel per CPU).

[Techhie]

Very likey indeed. :eek: :D To keep prices at a more acceptable level, there's a good chance that the base memory will remain the same as the '09's (3GB for SP systems, 6GB for DP systems; 1x 1GB stick per channel per CPU).

And another thing, I shouldn't have to pay a premium to get my 8 RAM slots! The past Mac Pros have done it, and we all know that the IMC of each CPU supports 6 modules. There is no excuse. :mad:

[Kissaragi]

If Microsoft ever make an OS as good as OSX then i think id switch, just for the hardware choices.

[nanofrog]

And another thing, I shouldn't have to pay a premium to get my 8 RAM slots! The past Mac Pros have done it, and we all know that the IMC of each CPU supports 6 modules. There is no excuse. :mad:
Actually, they can handle 9 (3x slots per channel). :eek: :D But it's only shown up on a few DP server boards, as the larger form factor has the physical space to accomodate them (I've seen E-ATX; SSI EEB or SSI MEB would also be able to as well). So 6x are more realistic as they can be fit to smaller boards (ATX or SSI CEB).

If Microsoft ever make an OS as good as OSX then i think id switch, just for the hardware choices.
Have you tried Windows 7?
You might find yourself quite surprised.

[Lava Lamp Freak]

If Microsoft ever make an OS as good as OSX then i think id switch, just for the hardware choices.

Yea, same here. I've used Windows 7 for a few weeks and just don't like it. It is ugly and clunky, though it feels faster to me than OS X does on the same hardware. I don't mind running it alongside OS X to take advantage of software and games not available for the Mac, but not as a replacement.

I have the 27" iMac now but I'm so sick of the problems that I'm going to sell it as soon as I can decide what to move to next. I also can't stand the high resolution and am ready to go back to a 24" screen. I'm kind of in a holding pattern now until the next update. I really don't need the power of the Mac Pro but since Apple eliminated the 24" iMac I don't really have a choice unless I want to switch to Windows, which I don't want to do.

[nanofrog]

Yea, same here. I've used Windows 7 for a few weeks and just don't like it. It is ugly and clunky, though it feels faster to me than OS X does on the same hardware. I don't mind running it alongside OS X to take advantage of software and games not available for the Mac, but not as a replacement.

I have the 27" iMac now but I'm so sick of the problems that I'm going to sell it as soon as I can decide what to move to next. I also can't stand the high resolution and am ready to go back to a 24" screen. I'm kind of in a holding pattern now until the next update. I really don't need the power of the Mac Pro but since Apple eliminated the 24" iMac I don't really have a choice unless I want to switch to Windows, which I don't want to do.
Both come down to familiarity though (preference), and is an aspect that a user must determine for themselves.

For example, I'm more familiar with Windows and Linux than OS X (my Linux familiarity helps with OS X, but it's still not the same). So I end up having to hunt for things under OS X, nor am I nearly as familiar with the available software compared to Windows (Linux is something else all together, as there's little commercial software available comparitively speaking, but it does exist).

It seems such a situation is easily reversed (OS X feels more familiar/intuitive than another OS, as that's where the majority of a user's experience lies).

[twoodcc]

so is march 16 the rumored release date? or the week before?

[Umbongo]

so is march 16 the rumored release date? or the week before?

March 16th is the expected date for the launch the processors by Intel. That is all we know as far as dates go and Intel haven't confirmed it. New Mac Pros could be announced as early as this Tuesday but in the past it has been as many as 8 weeks afterwards.

[slughead]

My guess:

3 processors standard, high end has 9 (but costs $6,000), holds 8GB RAM max (except for aforementioned high-end), comes with UEFI and a warning from Apple saying EFI32/64 wont be supported in 2011.

color me jaded

[Techhie]

My guess:

3 processors standard, high end has 9 (but costs $6,000)



What Apple are you thinking of? The one I know wouldn't pay more for processors than they charge for the entire machine :rolleyes:

[bearcatrp]

Seeing what apple charged for the last updated mac pro's, I think the price will go even higher. Seems we are being pushed to the consumer stuff for cloud base services. It was stated a few years back that the desktop computer will die out within 10 years and will be totally different than what we see today. What better way than to price it out of most peoples reach. :eek:

[Magic Lantern]

Will today be the day?!

Or will I have to spend further nail-biting Tuesdays endlessly refreshing Macrumors/Twitter and the Apple Store?

[Kissaragi]

Will today be the day?!

Or will I have to spend further nail-biting Tuesdays endlessly refreshing Macrumors/Twitter and the Apple Store?

Today will probably not be the day, but id love to be proved wrong!

[twoodcc]

Today will probably not be the day, but id love to be proved wrong!

Yeah it's not looking good

[MitchLewis]

I'm really hoping that they don't wait until March to release a new Mac Pro.

[Magic Lantern]

Ah well, another non-event Tuesday.

I am beginning to wonder if they will EVER release a new Mac Pro...

[twoodcc]

Ah well, another non-event Tuesday.

I am beginning to wonder if they will EVER release a new Mac Pro...

Yeah I know. But surely by march 16 at least

[Magic Lantern]

I am just waiting for Jobs to say something like "Professional is an out-dated term"

[Kissaragi]

It would be great if someone opened an apple betting site. If we are going to guess and speculate on what specs will be and when they will be released, we could at least have some fun doing it.

[bearcatrp]

I would make a bet right now that a dual 6 core will run 6 grand or more when they are released. Looking at the price scheme on the refurb site, a 2.93 8 core is 5 grand now and new is 5499.00. You would think the 8 core 3.2ghz (harpertown) mac pro would be around 2500 but the refurb site has that going for 3299.00. Crazy for older technology.

[xgman]

I would make a bet right now that a dual 6 core will run 6 grand or more when they are released.

ouch!, or more appropriately ouch x 6 x 2!

[Techhie]

Has anyone else noticed that nearly every configuration option for the '09 models are now on the refurb store? They are missing the 3.33 GHz quad, but I find it suspicious :rolleyes:

[Magic Lantern]

Anyone think it will be tomorrow?

I am anticipating another disappointing Tuesday...

[VirtualRain]

Anyone think it will be tomorrow?

I am anticipating another disappointing Tuesday...

Reports I've read in the past indicated that Intel is planning to launch the Gulftown's on March 16th. However, it's not clear if that's when Apple might get it's exclusive presales opportunity, or if that would be the GA date. I always assumed that March 16th would be the GA date and that Apple would have a 1 month exclusive prior, but that's obviously not the case so now I don't know what to expect.

[Umbongo]

I would make a bet right now that a dual 6 core will run 6 grand or more when they are released. Looking at the price scheme on the refurb site, a 2.93 8 core is 5 grand now and new is 5499.00. You would think the 8 core 3.2ghz (harpertown) mac pro would be around 2500 but the refurb site has that going for 3299.00. Crazy for older technology.

Not really crazy when it comes to Workstations and the cost to Apple hasn't decreased nor are they having problems selling them.

[twoodcc]

Anyone think it will be tomorrow?

I am anticipating another disappointing Tuesday...

tomorrow would be a good day!

but i'm more like you and don't think it'll happen. but i hope it does

[sgunes]

tomorrow would be a good day!

but i'm more like you and don't think it'll happen. but i hope it does

Looks like the Gulftowns are starting to be on sale in Germany and still no Apple announcement. WTF?

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/01/intels-six-core-core-i7-980x-extreme-edition-gulftown-chip-go/

[twoodcc]

Looks like the Gulftowns are starting to be on sale in Germany and still no Apple announcement. WTF?

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/01/intels-six-core-core-i7-980x-extreme-edition-gulftown-chip-go/

dang. well maybe tomorrow will be the day then?

[Umbongo]

Looks like the Gulftowns are starting to be on sale in Germany and still no Apple announcement. WTF?

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/01/intels-six-core-core-i7-980x-extreme-edition-gulftown-chip-go/

Not sure why you say "still no Apple announcement". The processors are not released for another 2 weeks and NDAs are still in effect.

[nanofrog]

Not sure why you say "still no Apple announcement". The processors are not released for another 2 weeks and NDAs are still in effect.
March 16th is a Tuesday, so it's likely to be the same day. No problems with NDA's that way. :p

[Magic Lantern]

Ah well, there are another four Tuesdays in March! I guess we are gonna see nothing today.

[xgman]

Looks like the Gulftowns are starting to be on sale in Germany and still no Apple announcement. WTF?

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/01/intels-six-core-core-i7-980x-extreme-edition-gulftown-chip-go/


This seems to be a pre-listing.

[twoodcc]

Ah well, there are another four Tuesdays in March! I guess we are gonna see nothing today.

yeah today doesn't look good. hopefully next week then!

[Icaras]

yeah today doesn't look good. hopefully next week then!

I'm really starting to have a bad feeling that neither Mac Pros or Macbook Pros won't be seeing updates at all in March....or in April...and maybe not May either... regardless of Intel's schedule of March 16 this month.

All because of our little friend the iPad. This is undoubtedly Apple's new favorite child and I just don't see Apple giving up the front page from the iPad for a while.

Big sigh.

[snouter]

lighten up guys, they can't release new laptops or desktops right now, they are too busy suing HTC over some mobile phone patents. :rolleyes:

Cool by me, I'm going to edit my feature film on my iPad, so, you old school computer users just need to get with the times.

[CountlovE]

Well it looks like I am gonna drop my tent right next to you guys.

I really hope Apple does something about the video cards. Hopefully they speed up the process in which Nvidia releases cards for Mac. The GTX285 is somewhat dated, and you can't configure even new purchases with one.

Seriously Apple?

[VirtualRain]

Well it looks like I am gonna drop my tent right next to you guys.

I really hope Apple does something about the video cards. Hopefully they speed up the process in which Nvidia releases cards for Mac. The GTX285 is somewhat dated, and you can't configure even new purchases with one.

Seriously Apple?

While Apple's record for GPU support is abysmal, in this case, at least part of the blame lies with Nvidia... we're still waiting for their 3xx series cards (also due out in the next month or so

EDIT: Correction... I guess Nvidia is branding their next generation Fermi GPU as the 4xx series.

[xgman]

I'm really starting to have a bad feeling that neither Mac Pros or Macbook Pros won't be seeing updates at all in March....or in April...and maybe not May either... regardless of Intel's schedule of March 16 this month.


Big sigh.


I don't think it will be that bad. My guess is an announcement mid to late march and actual availability in April.

[MitchLewis]

I keep pushing my deadline back farther and farther. The latest "plan" it to wait until March 16th....but no later. :)

Previously it was February 15th (due to Mac World) and then March 1st and now the 16th.

The clients are starting to roll in, I need something other than my laptop to edit on. Come on Apple, please release something soon.

[telequest]

Yeah i'd settle for a tick ... or a tock. Or maybe even a tack or a tuck. Something to show that Apple is still serious about the Pro market.

[SteveSparks]

Ah well, another non-event Tuesday.

I am beginning to wonder if they will EVER release a new Mac Pro...

Have you been reading this board? No one has a clue...

[twoodcc]

Have you been reading this board? No one has a clue...

well i wouldn't quite say that. the processor is being released march 16 as of now, which could change i guess. but doesn't really mean apple will even use that processor. so in theory, really no one around here has a clue, but we like to think we do

[Topper]

Nvidia is branding their next generation Fermi GPU as the 4xx series.

That's correct and I will buy one even if it's PC only.

[Phantom Gremlin]

Ah well, another non-event Tuesday.

I am beginning to wonder if they will EVER release a new Mac Pro...

You'll drive yourself crazy if you keep waiting for these Tuesday events.

I remember the time period between 8/2007 and 3/2009 when everyone kept waiting for the Mac Mini to get updated. It was a very very very long wait.

[grue]

They'll be updated the day after I receive my new machine. I'll keep you guys posted.

[Igantius]

They'll be updated the day after I receive my new machine. I'll keep you guys posted.

Sounds like we always get our machines on the same day :p

[t0mat0]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/04/intel_xeon_opteron_giveaway/

Xon update potentially a week tuesday - the 16th.

[Kissaragi]

Its 2 weeks until i can afford a mac pro, so i hope they update before then. Will be hard to know what to do if they dont.

The current mac pro has plenty of power for me, but its annoying to know you could have got more for your money if youd waited a couple of weeks.

Its the not knowing thats so frustrating. Will it be a week, a month, a year (like the mac mini)..... Damn Apple.

[Mac'nCheese]

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