Arnold

[Leo Hubbard]

Said it all.

If you believe your family knows how to spend your money better than the government does, then you are a Republican! If you believe our educational system should be held accountable for the progress of our children, then you are a Republican! If you believe this country, not the United Nations, is the best hope of democracy in the world, then you are a Republican! And, ladies and gentlemen, if you believe we must be fierce and relentless and terminate terrorism, then you are a Republican! There is another way you can tell you're a Republican. You have faith in free enterprise, faith in the resourcefulness of the American people ... and faith in the U.S. economy. To those critics who are so pessimistic about our economy, I say: "Don't be economic girlie men!

http://www.foxreno.com/politics/3697106/detail.html

[skunk]

I wonder who wrote his script.

[Leo Hubbard]

I wonder who wrote his script.
All politicians have professional script writers, I'm sure Arnold does too.

[katchow]

what a dork...his speech is about as enlightening as his movies.

go back to sleep america, the economy is just fine.

[Leo Hubbard]

I particularly liked this part

And maybe, just maybe, you don't agree with this party on every single issue. I say to you tonight I believe that's not only okay, that's what's great about this country. Here we can respectfully disagree and still be patriotic, still be American and still be good Republicans.

My fellow immigrants, my fellow Americans, how do you know if you are a Republican? I'll tell you how.

If you believe that government should be accountable to the people, not the people to the government, then you are a Republican! If you believe a person should be treated as an individual, not as a member of an interest group, then you are a Republican!

If you believe your family knows how to spend your money better than the government does, then you are a Republican! If you believe our educational system should be held accountable for the progress of our children, then you are a Republican! If you believe this country, not the United Nations, is the best hope of democracy in the world, then you are a Republican!

http://www.foxreno.com/politics/3697106/detail.html
contains his whole speech.

[skunk]

You might LIKE it, but it's still a very warped version of reality.

[katchow]

And maybe, just maybe, you don't agree with this party on every single issue. I say to you tonight I believe that's not only okay, that's what's great about this country. Here we can respectfully disagree and still be patriotic, still be American and still be good Republicans.


though you may run the risk of being a "girlie man"

[themadchemist]

Let's juxtapose this against Obama's speech, which emphasized our unity as Americans regardless of party, instead of our unity as members of a particular party.

Despite its facade of inclusiveness, such rhetoric is inherently divisive.

[IJ Reilly]

what a dork...his speech is about as enlightening as his movies.

go back to sleep america, the economy is just fine.

For him it is. In fact it's FANTASTIC!

You know, I don't so much object to fabulously wealthy people in politics as I do to fabulously wealthy people in politics who don't seem to understand that not everybody is fabulously wealthy, or ever will be.

[zimv20]

my take on schwarzenegger's speech:

- if you believe you can insulate yourself from the less desirable segments of society, you're a republican

- if you believe that society provides everyone with an equal chance, you're a republican

- if you believe that marginalizing those with whom you disagree is an acceptable practice, you're a republican

- if you believe that those who receive direct government funds are necessarily lazy, you're a republican

- if you believe that might makes right, you're a republican

- if you believe you've earned the right to take from others, you're a republican

[Leo Hubbard]

- if you believe you've earned the right to take from others, you're a republican
Correction, you would be a Democrat.

[g30ffr3y]

Correction, you would be a Democrat.


ooooooooohhhh... snap...

i do agree though... democrats do take our money and
give it to those who dont deserve it...

i consider myself a republican...

[alexf]

Said it all.

http://www.foxreno.com/politics/3697106/detail.html

My God, it doesn't get any sadder than this.

Certain speeches that took place in Germany in the mid to late 30s are frighteningly similar.

[alexf]

If you want to learn about the Republicans and their agenda, the best place to start:

http://georgewbush.org

http://whitehouse.org

[g30ffr3y]

My God, it doesn't get any sadder than this.

Certain speeches that took place in Germany in the mid to late 30s are frighteningly similar.


you dont mean the nazi's do you??? :D

[alexf]

you dont mean the nazi's do you??? :D

My friend, I am glad you seem to know your history.

[skunk]

Austria's got a lot to answer for. First Adolf, then Arnold...

[g30ffr3y]

My friend, I am glad you seem to know your history.


i just think WWII is fascinating...

[Leo Hubbard]

If you want to learn about the Republicans and their agenda, the best place to start:

http://georgewbush.org

http://whitehouse.org
Just make sure you read this disclaimer at the bottom of the page first.

©2004 - WHITEHOUSE.ORG / Chickenhead Productions - All Rights Reserved
Use of this website parody indicates your understanding and acceptance of the terms of service

then go to this site http://www.georgewbush.com/ to get his real point of view about things.

[skunk]

Just make sure you read this disclaimer at the bottom of the page first.
Were you worried we might not realize it was a parody? How sweet! And how revealing! :)

[alexf]

Just make sure you read this disclaimer at the bottom of the page first.

then go to this site http://www.georgewbush.com/ to get his real point of view about things.

Yes, Mr. Hubbard, I realize you may have been asleep for the past few years so I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but with all due respect I believe the links I posted portray a much more accurate view of Bush and his murderous agenda.

[themadchemist]

ooooooooohhhh... snap...

i do agree though... democrats do take our money and
give it to those who dont deserve it...

i consider myself a republican...

Yeah, because I'd rather put my money into pumping those Iraqi bitches full of lead than helping a bunch of greedy inner-city kids live in safe neighborhoods and go to good schools. What do those kids think they are--white, rich, suburban?!!!! Oh my God! What nerve they have to ask for a decent place to live and decent opportunities to overcome the enormous hurdles of an overarching socioeconomic structure formed by a wealthy, white, conservative hegemony that systematically discriminates against the poor and non-white?

You're right--The democrats are softies. Nothing deserves my money more than the carpet-bombing of Iraqi civilians or the sacrifice of my fellow countrymen for a senseless cause.

I guess I'm a...Republican, then?

[alexf]

i just think WWII is fascinating...

Yes, so do a lot of Republicans... So fascinating, in fact that they spend great lenths of time studying the propoganda tactics of a certain party that most historians agree was responsible for starting WWII.

[zimv20]

- if you believe you've earned the right to take from others, you're a republican
clarification: if you've earned the right to take from others for yourself

sheesh

[takao]

Austria's got a lot to answer for. First Adolf, then Arnold...

you know both weren't really succesfull untill they left austria ;)

if they stayed they would perhaps both ended with some lousy jobs... the one as fitness trainer and the other as a lousy landscape-painter

[alexf]

And Arnold tries to play himself as a moderate... Incredible!

What a sell-out. :mad:

[Ugg]

you know both weren't really succesfull untill they left austria ;)

if they stayed they would perhaps both ended with some lousy jobs... the one as fitness trainer and the other as a lousy landscape-painter

So the moral is that Austrians should stay at home?! :D

It's too late for AH but if you want Arnie back, you can have him!

[takao]

So the moral is that Austrians should stay at home?! :D

It's too late for AH but if you want Arnie back, you can have him!

i doubt we would take him back as the politician he is... his speech got completly 'torn apart' and criticized by the newspapers over here

in fact it is a complete lie that soviet tanks rolled through the village he was living... (he said something like that)
and him standing there praising the "leader-capabilities" of bush is hard stuff for the austrian press (hint: translate 'leader' into german)

[Ugg]

i doubt we would take him back as the politician he is... his speech got completly 'torn apart' and criticized by the newspapers over here

in fact it is a complete lie that soviet tanks rolled through the village he was living... (he said something like that)
and him standing there praising the "leader-capabilities" of bush is hard stuff for the austrian press (hint: translate 'leader' into german)

I just read an article in derStandard.at and it sounds as though Arnie was just reinforcing the misconceptions that most Americans have of WWII and of European politics.

Yeah, Führer isn't a word he should be using.

[mypantsaretight]

I didn't listen to Jorge Haider's speech. Oops, I mean Arnold's speech.

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[katchow]

if you believe that teachers should be held accountable for parental or socio/economic failures...you might be a redneck..uhh, republican.

[Leo Hubbard]

So the moral is that Austrians should stay at home?! :D

It's too late for AH but if you want Arnie back, you can have him!
Bashing French is bad, but bashing Austrians is ok?
Some of the quotes I've seen here about Arnold would get someone banned if they made them about Kerry or the Democratic party. After all doesn't the letters N.A.Z.I. stand for the National Socialist Party in German?

[skunk]

Bashing French is bad, but bashing Austrians is ok?

I apologize unreservedly to Takao and his compatriots if any offence was taken. My own comment was in jest, as I'm sure he realized.

[takao]

I just read an article in derStandard.at and it sounds as though Arnie was just reinforcing the misconceptions that most Americans have of WWII and of European politics.

Yeah, Führer isn't a word he should be using.

i haven't checked derstandard yet but i'll check it later...

the conservative newspaper my parents buy have was unbelievable hard on his speech .... but they were not pretty pleased with the whole political show & rethoric of both parties either....
i'm waiting for the editorals and commentaries ;) i'm prepared to a lot of fun...

[takao]

I didn't listen to Jorge Haider's speech. Oops, I mean Arnold's speech.

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i don't know if you can compare the two as politicians ... haider is a _highly educated_ demagogue (sp?) who uses/used rethoric (sometimes xenophobic and disgusting) and speeches to emotionalize potential voters and thus had success
but as an actual day to day gouvener (sp?) in carinthia he is actually doing a moderate ,far from being extreme, job concerning the economyetc.
it looks like he calmed down in the last years ... sometimes you here stupid comments from him but thats it ...and his party has big problems in the polls ;) it always puts me into a happy mood when they are losing voters
(side note: as all politicians over here he is writing his speeches by himself and is high experienced in politics...he studied it as well)

on the other side there is a former bodybuilder and actor who jumped on politics with literally no political experience and _won_ (he got a higehr percentage as haider _ever_)

i've more respect for haider as a politcian (despite being an ass) than i have for arnold as a politician (despite being pretty sympathic and funny)

[IJ Reilly]

The remarkable thing is here in California he's managed to back away from nearly all of his important campaign promises, and almost nobody seems to notice or care. He's operating on pure star power, and there's no telling how long it will last.

[takao]

i've not taken any offence... i'm bashing austria sometimes to...

yes.. you politicians in vienna i'm looking at you...

After all doesn't the letters N.A.Z.I. stand for the National Socialist Party in German?

"Nazi" is just a short word for "National-Sozialist" = members,supporters of the "National-Sozialistische deutsche Arbeiter Partei" or "NSdAP" aka. the "national-socialistical german workers party" (i hope thats right)
the actually members of 'the party' never refered to themselves as "Nazis"...
nazi is in fact rather the word used by the other people..you know the people who never voted for them and didn't liked them

and before you talk about the NSdAP being 'left'.. nope they never claimed that...but they put a lot of concentration on the 'national' part : you know the _we_ are patriots , _we_ are strong..etc.

small austrian historic fact:
in 1934 when the socialistic ('the red ones' )+ other left parties and the austrian version of the NSdAP('the brown ones') got banned by the christian-conservatives('the black ones') who were in charge(all other parties got banned because of nazi terrorism) ..the politicial leaders of _both_ were put into prison ..untill 1938 of course (during that 4 years there were frequent terror attacks by 'nazi' groups who where openly funded by the german NSdAP) ...
in 1938 after hitler took over austria guess what happend to the political opponents ? (who where either in prison or in charge) ... they got sent to dachau...our chancellor included...few of those austrian socialists and conservatives of '34 survived untill '45...

[~kilroy~]

Yeah, because I'd rather put my money into pumping those Iraqi bitches full of lead than helping a bunch of greedy inner-city kids live in safe neighborhoods and go to good schools. What do those kids think they are--white, rich, suburban?!!!! Oh my God! What nerve they have to ask for a decent place to live and decent opportunities to overcome the enormous hurdles of an overarching socioeconomic structure formed by a wealthy, white, conservative hegemony that systematically discriminates against the poor and non-white?

You're right--The democrats are softies. Nothing deserves my money more than the carpet-bombing of Iraqi civilians or the sacrifice of my fellow countrymen for a senseless cause.

I guess I'm a...Republican, then?

There is nothing wrong with you using "YOUR MONEY" for your causes, but dont volunteer mine.

[blackfox]

I know that like most speeches, this is just full of rhetorical nonsense, but here are some comments:

If you believe your family knows how to spend your money better than the government does, then you are a Republican!
This would, of course, be assuming that you had money (and a job) to spend...also, a GOP Senate and President have as happily spent "our" money as any Democrats, and passed the bill onto future generations.
If you believe our educational system should be held accountable for the progress of our children, then you are a Republican!
Ignoring the fact that Education is often a Democratic priority, currently the GOP measures "progress" in a particular way, which may not be either indictative or fair of the students or to them. It is also important to FUND something like this, and not leave it to cash-strapped states to attempt to implement.
If you believe this country, not the United Nations, is the best hope of democracy in the world, then you are a Republican!
Somewhat ironic that we would herald our own Democratic leanings, but then eschew a more democratic and deliberative course w/ the United Nations...so I guess we are only Democratic when we get to be in charge...
And, ladies and gentlemen, if you believe we must be fierce and relentless and terminate terrorism, then you are a Republican!
And have the GOP been fierce and relentless? Not really. True, much stuff has been blown up and countless people have been jailed w/o rights, but much of our activity is only marginally related to the WOT...so to borrow from Teddy Rooselvelt: "We have been walking loudly and beating ourself with a crazy stick"
There is another way you can tell you're a Republican. You have faith in free enterprise, faith in the resourcefulness of the American people ... and faith in the U.S. economy. To those critics who are so pessimistic about our economy, I say: "Don't be economic girlie men!
Yes, and in times of economic trouble, it is convenient to shirk any responsibility for such trouble (as opposed to when it is good) and inply that the blame lies with those who aren't succeeding (through no fault of their own) because they are not "resourceful" enough...
And maybe, just maybe, you don't agree with this party on every single issue. I say to you tonight I believe that's not only okay, that's what's great about this country. Here we can respectfully disagree and still be patriotic, still be American and still be good Republicans.
Unless we are talking about the War in Iraq, the economy, or the WOT, to name a few...ol' Zell Miller spoke more of the true feelings of the GOP...
My fellow immigrants, my fellow Americans, how do you know if you are a Republican? I'll tell you how.
If you believe that government should be accountable to the people, not the people to the government, then you are a Republican!
Yes, and obviously, GW's Administration has been remarkably accountable, hasn't it? Such an open and transparent operation...
If you believe a person should be treated as an individual, not as a member of an interest group, then you are a Republican!
Instead of noticed by your wallet?...That is if you are noticed at all...

Another thing I noticed, is that although this speech seems designed to bring more voters to the Republican side, there are less Republicans that seem to believe what has been said...

Bush certainly isn't a traditional Republican with his huge expansion of Government and of spending...although Republicans present themselves as the Party of Fiscal Responsibility, that is patently not so...that honor lately goes to the Democrats...what a crazy world we live in...