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astracho
Feb 26, 2010, 10:46 PM
Hello I have a friend who does a lot of traveling and we are discussing between ipad or macbook air. He needs to read emails, (currently using a blackberry and thinks this is giving him aching fingers) and would also like to surf the net. What would you suggest would be a better option? Or is there a better option out there? He thinks that the Iphone is a too small for him. Appreciate your thoughts, thanks :)



tbobmccoy
Feb 27, 2010, 12:34 AM
Hello I have a friend who does a lot of traveling and we are discussing between ipad or macbook air. He needs to read emails, (currently using a blackberry and thinks this is giving him aching fingers) and would also like to surf the net. What would you suggest would be a better option? Or is there a better option out there? He thinks that the Iphone is a too small for him. Appreciate your thoughts, thanks :)

If literally all he's going to use the device for is surfing the net, e-mails, and maybe some iPod Touch-style games (at the moment), the iPad is perfect for him. If he wants to do much more than that though, such as typing long e-mails, doing actual work, i'd suggest a MacBook Air. iPad is much cheaper though, keep that in mind! :o

Consultant
Feb 27, 2010, 03:31 AM
If literally all he's going to use the device for is surfing the net, e-mails, and maybe some iPod Touch-style games (at the moment), the iPad is perfect for him. If he wants to do much more than that though, such as typing long e-mails, doing actual work, i'd suggest a MacBook Air. iPad is much cheaper though, keep that in mind! :o

IBM makes business apps for iPad:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=864169

So yes, iPad can do "actual work."

TheBigApple2006
Feb 27, 2010, 05:52 AM
I am actually getting an iPad over a Macbook Air for library research and typing - the iPad fits the bill perfectly because of the ability to connect an external keyboard to it and because it will have a dedicated, optimised word processor from day one - Pages. Add to that the cost difference, the very low value for money of the MBA, and I don't think the MBA is better on any respect, save if you run virtual machines or need features explicitly unavailable on iPads, such as Flash. That being said, the iPad is most definetely not a replacement for any sort of laptop.

Scottsdale
Feb 27, 2010, 09:36 AM
The MacBook Air is absolutely the only choice. The iPad will be a secondary device used for "play" while the MBA will continue to be needed for work. The lack of Flash alone will ensure the iPad fails as an MBA replacement. Don't make the mistake of believing Flash only plays video content, as Flash is used in things as simple as navigation on text-based websites. Not being able to navigate the web will quickly reveal the iPad's extreme limitations!

I will buy an iPad, but I will pray that Apple is forced to quickly provide a Flash solution. I plan to continue to use the MBA for work and use the iPad for entertainment. I will take an iPad on vacation and an MBA on a business trip. The iPad will provide unnecessary enjoyment while the MBA will allow me to get work done!

Synchromesh
Feb 27, 2010, 01:15 PM
For every day computer I would get an MBA. If emails/browsing are his main priorities, he may consider getting a used Rev A machine. It will be much cheaper than a new system ($700-800) and could handle those tasks quite well. Ipad seems like a glorified iPhone at this point so I'd pass on it.

AndyMulhearn
Feb 27, 2010, 02:11 PM
Hello I have a friend who does a lot of traveling and we are discussing between ipad or macbook air. He needs to read emails, (currently using a blackberry and thinks this is giving him aching fingers) and would also like to surf the net. What would you suggest would be a better option? Or is there a better option out there? He thinks that the Iphone is a too small for him. Appreciate your thoughts, thanks :)

My only concern would be how his aching fingers react to typing on a hard surface with no give like the screen of an iPad. For that I would guess an Air would be a better choice.

ryanvalle
Feb 27, 2010, 08:19 PM
Hello I have a friend who does a lot of traveling and we are discussing between ipad or macbook air. He needs to read emails, (currently using a blackberry and thinks this is giving him aching fingers) and would also like to surf the net. What would you suggest would be a better option? Or is there a better option out there? He thinks that the Iphone is a too small for him. Appreciate your thoughts, thanks :)

He says the iPhone is too small for him, but does it carry the features he wants? If the answer is yes to that question, then the iPad is the answer.

For just checking emails, surfing the web, maybe writing or creating text documents, keynote presentations, or other productivity purposes, I think the iPad is perfect. Add in the 3G connectivity, then he has a perfect device for traveling because if you're on the go, then you don't need to rely to have a wi-fi network to check his emails and surf the web (and on top of that, he can buy the 3g connection for the months when he needs it - no contracts).

The macbook air is good and all, but its essentially a full computer in a slim lined format at a high price, but if needs a computer with more functionality (i.e.: video chatting, real multi-tasking, flash functionality), then it may be the better option.

Scottsdale
Feb 27, 2010, 08:59 PM
For just checking emails, surfing the web, maybe writing or creating text documents, keynote presentations, or other productivity purposes, I think the iPad is perfect.

The macbook air is good and all, but its essentially a full computer in a slim lined format at a high price, but if needs a computer with more functionality (i.e.: video chatting, real multi-tasking, flash functionality), then it may be the better option.

Without Flash on the Internet, I find the iPad completely useless to someone who needs Internet! Need an MBA to truly surf the web.

Without a real keyboard, I don't think writing documents is going to be efficient. Perhaps there will be speech recognition programs in the future? Until then, the MBA is needed. Brief email replies is okay, but otherwise the iPad is meant to be a toy. It's for entertainment and fun, while the MBA gets the job done.

MBA is the only choice. I sure wish Apple would make the iPad more relevant for real web surfing! I cannot count how many times my iPhone has let me down because there was no Flash content displayed!

rufus247
Feb 27, 2010, 09:04 PM
I'm really sorry I know this is somewhat off topic, but I just bought a 1.6 Ghz MacBook Air used but in great condition with 2 GB RAM. Was this a good buy or did I get ripped off?

Maui
Feb 27, 2010, 09:06 PM
I'm really sorry I know this is somewhat off topic, but I just bought a 1.6 Ghz MacBook Air used but in great condition with 2 GB RAM. Was this a good buy or did I get ripped off?

How much?

rufus247
Feb 27, 2010, 09:13 PM
How much?


O Sorry. For $850.

entatlrg
Feb 27, 2010, 09:26 PM
In some ways, less the long battery life, the MBA can sort of serve as an iPad now .... a pretty nice one too! ... with a built in full size keyboard, and 13.3" screen, thin/light easy to take anywhere ...

That makes me wonder and concerns me a little ... Apple / S. Jobs wouldn't discontinue the MBA to direct everyone towards the iPad as the 'mobile computing solution of the future', would they?

If they made the 13" MBA a just a little lighter and a little thinner that would put pressure on the MBA's existence and the iPad on the other side with portable keyboard etc it's conceivable in some ways that the MBA could get pushed out.

Will be interesting to see what the next update brings with the MBP's and what mention if any they make to the MBA.

I hope it stays around. Will we see a redesign to the frame for more ports, a glass trackpad, longer battery, more ram ... I'm not so sure, Apple's been pretty busy I think with the iPad, new iMac line and there has to be news in the not so distant future on the MBP's .... how/where/if the Air fits into this I don't know?

Scottsdale
Feb 27, 2010, 11:30 PM
O Sorry. For $850.

Please do tell me it has either a 128 GB SSD or at a minimum a 120 GB HDD? As long as it has a Penryn CPU and Nvidia graphics, you're okay. I feel it was a really good deal if has 128 GB SSD. If it has a 120 GB HDD, you paid about the exact current secondary market price for a used MBA.

If it's the original MBA with 80 GB HDD, you paid at least $250 too much. The problem I see is many people don't understand how inferior the original MBA was, and they buy it not knowing its deficiencies. On the other side of the spectrum, buyers get good deals on the high-end newer MBAs as people don't realize how superior they are than the originals.

Original MBA = sellers advantage if they bought for $999 and used for a year and sold for $650 they did really good. I have seen quite a few original MBAs lately for $600 to $650... my friend just made an offer of $490 for an original with a 1.6 GHz CPU and 64 GB SSD and got it. That's a pretty good deal (I would say $250 better than average including 64 GB SSD), but then many people think 64 GB SSD must be a negative as it has less drive space than HDD at 80 GB.

Newer MBA = buyers advantage if they can pick up around $1200 for latest model with SSD. People don't understand how big of an advantage the Penryn CPU and Nvidia GPU so they're not willing to pay more.

The MBA is really a tough computer to buy on the secondary markets. I would personally try to stick with Apple refurbished for the best deals, one year warranties, and best recourse for problems with any parts. I just don't think most people RESEARCH what a new MBA costs with a full one year warranty via Apple.com refurbished or new. And I don't feel people research to see the greatly added values for the money of newer MBAs. Plus, the huge price drops actually make buying straight from Apple the most reasonable deal. People had a hard time selling their original 1.8 GHz MBA with 64 GB SSD for $999 after they paid $3099 for it a year earlier... but Apple offered them brand new now for $1299.

The MBA is really hard to buy second hand, so I would advise people do a lot of research and ensure they're getting exactly what they're paying for and they're buying based on current valuation of MBAs and not what the seller originally paid for the MBA minus a certain percentage for uses.

What doesn't help is the original high-end MBA dropped from $3099 to $1299 in eight months. The original low-end MBA dropped from $1799 to $999 in eight months. That was the pricing available as of October 2008... the values have dropped further since if they're used computers.

The high-end rev B MBAs were sold for $2499 and eight months later dropped down to $1349 via refurbished store. While the low-end went from $1799 to $1099.

Finally, the last update provided a $700 new price drop on the high-end MBA!

Bottom line, do your research before paying far too much for an MBA. I think it's hard being a seller and thinking your MBA held its value as other Macs, but the MBA just doesn't succeed in holding its value. Even Apple cannot keep prices up with each new release. Never have I seen Apple drop prices like this and dump computers as it has with the MBA.

Scott6666
Feb 27, 2010, 11:49 PM
I'm really sorry I know this is somewhat off topic, but I just bought a 1.6 Ghz MacBook Air used but in great condition with 2 GB RAM. Was this a good buy or did I get ripped off?

Very bad form to hijack the thread.

Scottsdale, you should know better than to indulge the hijack with such a long response.

PS I think an iPad would be fine; especially with the keyboard. Would not do as much as the Air but would do what it does with less frustration.

stewie1
Feb 28, 2010, 07:19 PM
I don't think the iPad is a computer. It's an MBA if you need real computing power, flash, a keyboard, etc. By the time you buy all the accessories for the iPad (including the keyboard), you might as well just buy a MBP or MBA, given that the size and cost of all the accessories will eliminate any perceived iPad advantage.

What I'm thinking of is whether I want an MBA OR a 13" MBP plus iPad, the cost of which should be pretty much comparable. If Citrix comes out with an iPad app (which apparently they are working on), it might work for me.

BornAgainMac
Mar 1, 2010, 06:09 AM
I am going to a conference in April and bringing my iPad and my Macbook Pro. The only reason I need the Macbook Pro is for video chat with family and co-workers otherwise I could do everything I need with the iPad including using a ssh client to connect to my servers at work.

Out of curiosity, I turned off all plug-ins that includes flash and still was able to do what I needed on the Internet. I won't miss flash. Normal sites usually provide an alternate non flash website.

citi
Mar 1, 2010, 11:41 AM
I am going to a conference in April and bringing my iPad and my Macbook Pro. The only reason I need the Macbook Pro is for video chat with family and co-workers otherwise I could do everything I need with the iPad including using a ssh client to connect to my servers at work.

Out of curiosity, I turned off all plug-ins that includes flash and still was able to do what I needed on the Internet. I won't miss flash. Normal sites usually provide an alternate non flash website.

First off, I'm buying an Ipad. I also have an Air and MBP

However, in your case, wouldn't it make more sense to have a macbook air that does both of the things you need it to do, rather than also lugging your mbp? I don't use video chat so carrying around an ipad on a trip would be all that I need. Just curious

jdechko
Mar 1, 2010, 01:06 PM
... Flash is used in things as simple as navigation on text-based websites. ...

It is, but it shouldn't be. And if it is, it should always have a fallback to plain old HTML.

darngooddesign
Mar 1, 2010, 01:16 PM
It is, but it shouldn't be. And if it is, it should always have a fallback to plain old HTML.

Most smaller clients don't care about paying to have a secondary HTML site created.

Scottsdale
Mar 1, 2010, 01:20 PM
First off, I'm buying an Ipad. I also have an Air and MBP

However, in your case, wouldn't it make more sense to have a macbook air that does both of the things you need it to do, rather than also lugging your mbp? I don't use video chat so carrying around an ipad on a trip would be all that I need. Just curious

I actually think the trend in computing is heading towards an MBA as a primary Mac and an iPad as a secondary "entertainment" device that really doesn't overlap with the MBA at all.

entatlrg
Mar 1, 2010, 01:58 PM
I am going to a conference in April and bringing my iPad and my Macbook Pro. The only reason I need the Macbook Pro is for video chat with family and co-workers otherwise I could do everything I need with the iPad including using a ssh client to connect to my servers at work.

Out of curiosity, I turned off all plug-ins that includes flash and still was able to do what I needed on the Internet. I won't miss flash. Normal sites usually provide an alternate non flash website.

You're a prime customer for a Macbook Air !!

Now instead you're talking about hauling TWO devices at TWICE the weight ...

That's why some new gadgets bother me ... netbooks, iPad's they're not allowing you to do more on a computer, not even to do the same things you're used to doing on a computer ... you have to make sacrifices in many regards ...

Imagine if Apple or someone but their 'billion dollars' into improving the MBA, making it better, cheaper etc then you'd have a device capable of doing the tasks of many devices ... BUT ...

There is a problem with that, less profits for manufacturers and software, publishing co's etc ... they want us to buy MORE machines and PAY for content via Subscriptions etc etc hence the Air's in the clouds and the iPad's got dollar signs in everyone's eyes ....

The result we're not getting a product as good as, or as suited to our daily computing needs, Money/Profit before giving the Consumer what they want/need ... nothing new there....

jdechko
Mar 1, 2010, 03:13 PM
Most smaller clients don't care about paying to have a secondary HTML site created.

Fair enough. For most sites, however, I think that information accessibility is key and not having an HTML fallback kills the usability of the page. And with the vast majority of mobile web use coming from a device which doesn't support flash, and likely will never support flash, it effectively limits viewership of pages that would benefit from mobile users (i.e.: restaurants).

Or in my experience, our church's webpage navigation was done 100% in flash. That didn't change until recently, when our web admin got an iphone and realized he couldn't navigate the page and therefore couldn't even grab the phone number from the site.

stewie1
Mar 1, 2010, 03:34 PM
I lived a non-flash life for 3 weeks last year when my company sent me to Europe with a brand new netbook that nobody bothered to install flash on. And thanks to IT policies, I was unable to install flash myself.

Let's just say that usability was drastically reduced. I would not want to repeat the experience. That is one reason that an iPad is simply not on my radar screen as any kind of serious laptop replacement.

Scottsdale
Mar 1, 2010, 06:17 PM
I lived a non-flash life for 3 weeks last year when my company sent me to Europe with a brand new netbook that nobody bothered to install flash on. And thanks to IT policies, I was unable to install flash myself.

Let's just say that usability was drastically reduced. I would not want to repeat the experience. That is one reason that an iPad is simply not on my radar screen as any kind of serious laptop replacement.

Intelligent and extremely relevant post.

Flash, whether loved or hated, is CURRENTLY an Internet standard. Surfing the Internet requires Flash or the user will be extremely limited in even navigating the web successfully... this has nothing to do with losing out on a few Flash videos or animations.

Follow the money and easily see that this has NOTHING to do with Flash being "crap software" as Steve Jobs might have you believe. Apple refuses to allow an acceptable Flash implementation on the Mac because it challenges Apple's business model.

People could band together and require that Apple allow Flash or don't buy Apple's products. I certainly would gladly partake in such a movement. I don't believe Apple is being fair to its customers because it offers no short-term solution... not even an actual mid-term solution. It is going to take a long time to rid the Internet of Flash.

I find it extremely disappointing that Apple cannot just play fair and beat Adobe at this game. I understand business, but denying your customers what they're paying for isn't a good business strategy either. What needs to happen is Apple fans realize that they don't have to just accept what Apple forces them to give up to buy its products. The solution is simple... we stop buying until the products can do what they're sold to do.

An iPad should surf the Internet... all accepted standards including Flash. That would light a fire under Steve Jobs A$$ and ensure a solution real quick. If he sold 10,000 iPads in the first six months, I am sure Apple shareholders would be asking Jobs why the hell not solve this HUGE problem. It really isn't that difficult. I know Apple wants to have its revenue streams via selling content, but it needs to compete and still provide its customers with a viable solution without abandoning Apple products to do so!