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qw1478
Mar 6, 2010, 04:20 AM
Hey guys, great forum.

I am trying to install windows 7 on macbook air, through an external DVD drive, since USB didnt work for me. The DVD is detected and ounce I click start windows installation, the system boots and gets stuck at the gray boot screen with the apple logo. What is causing this? how can I solve this?

Thanks.



24hrs
Mar 6, 2010, 06:22 AM
This is only for noobs like me so if you're a Mac pro, I suggest you leave rather than waste 10 mins reading only to complain about how "DUH" this thread is.

Having read through several websites about the topic, I finally embarked on installing Win 7 Home Premium in Boot Camp and came across somethings not mentioned in said website. A true IT geek will probably not encounter any problems but for the IT idiot out there like me, please read this to avoid wasting your time & effort or giving yourself a heart attack.

Firstly, get a wired mouse & keyboard as your trackpad & keyboard wouldn't work till Boot Camp drivers are installed.

If you are totally new to Boot Camping I suggest you read this....http://gizmodo.com/5387353/how-to-su...win-7-on-a-mac

Now if you've done your research you'd know about the screen going black when you attempt to install Win 7 on your iMac and the need to manually delete a driver to resolve this. For the uninitiated, details are over at...http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/10...new-27in-imac/

Now, if money is not an object I suggest you get the FULL version of Win 7 not an upgrade and that will make life a lot easier. But if you have a budget AND you're an IT idiot (like yours truly), listen up.

There are many sites out there teaching you how to do a clean install with Win 7 Upgrade. The site I referred to was...http://www.winsupersite.com/win7/cle...rade_media.asp which was most enlightening. HOWEVER the author obviously did not write it for Boot Campers in mind as yours truly found out the hard way.

Problem with doing a clean install with Win 7 Upgrade is that the product key is not recognised. Don't talk about activation, it doesn't even accept the damn product key! So leave the product key BLANK. And make sure you UNTICK the option to automatically activate when you're online.

After Win 7 is installed, DO NOT waste time installing Boot Camp drivers from the OS X disc yet. First, try to activate Win 7. It will first ask for your product key. If my experience is anything to go by, Win 7 will tell you the key is invalid.

You then need to install Win 7 on Win 7. Earlier you chose "Custom install" and selected the location. This time choose "Upgrade". Yes, you are upgrading Win 7 to Win 7. Don't give me that look! Go ***** Bill Gates!

The upgrade process is A LOT longer and your MBA will reboot several times. You HAVE to be beside your MBA if not when it reboots, it will go into OS X which is not what you want at this stage.

After a decade and a half, everything is ready and when you try to activate your Win 7, the product key SHOULD be accepted this time and your activation should also be successful if my journey is anything to go by.

NOW you can pop in the OS X disc, install Boot Camp drivers, run Boot Camp update, etc. With some luck your trackpad & keyboard should now work. Luckily I was still using an external usb wired keyboard so no issues but I'm still trying to get my Magic Mouse detected in Win 7

I did not know all of this when I started so what happened was I installed the Boot Camp drivers in Win 7 BEFORE I tried to activate it. When the activation failed, I upgraded Win 7 to Win 7 as per the website and got a scary error msg.

After some research it turns out that Win 7 is unable to upgrade Win 7 due to the presence of Boot Camp drivers So I had to uninstall Boot Camp drivers from Win 7, reboot and then upgrade Win 7 to Win 7, activate Win 7, reinstall Boot Camp drivers and update Boot Camp.

Hope this helps and may your first experience be better than mine!

courtesy of derrickgoh at http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?p=44354268#post44354268

Scottsdale
Mar 6, 2010, 08:13 PM
This is only for noobs like me so if you're a Mac pro, I suggest you leave rather than waste 10 mins reading only to complain about how "DUH" this thread is.

I appreciate your intent with this post, but let me tell you I completely disagree about the complexity of installing Windows 7. I installed 64-bit Windows 7 on my MBA without any of your instructions and did so completely fine without any problems other than a fully illuminated keyboard backlight and a fully bright MBA native display. The only instructions I used were Apple's own Boot Camp instructions.

Advice to everyone... buy the right Windows 7 version. DO NOT STEAL THE SOFTWARE by buying an upgrade disk. Don't say that you somehow are justified to steal the license because you're poor. If you have a full version of Windows, I believe you will not have any problems. Those that use an "upgrade" disk aren't really paying for the full experience... and therefore they don't get the "full experience." Of course it's more difficult to "CHEAT" Microsoft and use an upgrade disk. With Apple, they're getting most of the OS paid for via the premium for the hardware. Microsoft doesn't force you to buy its hardware, therefore the OS costs a little more... very fair deal from my viewpoint.

Scottsdale
Mar 6, 2010, 08:19 PM
Hey guys, great forum.

I am trying to install windows 7 on macbook air, through an external DVD drive, since USB didnt work for me. The DVD is detected and ounce I click start windows installation, the system boots and gets stuck at the gray boot screen with the apple logo. What is causing this? how can I solve this?

Thanks.

Sorry, I forgot to reply to your original post. Did you first go into Boot Camp within OS X and partition the drive and print the instructions?

As the other poster stated you would need other instructions and items... I didn't need any alternative instructions nor an external keyboard, mouse, nor display to install mine. Are you using a full Windows 7 disk?

I will go find my Boot Camp instructions if you did exactly what it said and are using a full Windows disk. Let me know and feel free to shoot me a PM for immediate assistance, and I can try to help you out.

Good luck.

agaskew
Mar 8, 2010, 02:32 AM
You then need to install Win 7 on Win 7. Earlier you chose "Custom install" and selected the location. This time choose "Upgrade". Yes, you are upgrading Win 7 to Win 7. Don't give me that look! Go ***** Bill Gates!


- What the heck are you talking about? Install Win 7 on Win 7? :confused:

AndyMulhearn
Mar 8, 2010, 09:13 AM
- What the heck are you talking about? Install Win 7 on Win 7? :confused:

Vista allows you to upgrade in-place a previously installed version. The reason you would do this is to get around only buying an upgrade version of the software. What you do is:

1. Wipe your machine and then Install the upgrade but don't enter a licence key. Vista will allow you to do this assuming that you will enter a legitimate key sometime later
2. Upgrade the installation - do an archive and install - but enter your upgrade licence key.

This allows you to install Vista on a blank machine and I presume the same is true of Windows 7.

agaskew
Mar 9, 2010, 04:36 AM
Vista allows you to upgrade in-place a previously installed version. The reason you would do this is to get around only buying an upgrade version of the software. What you do is:

1. Wipe your machine and then Install the upgrade but don't enter a licence key. Vista will allow you to do this assuming that you will enter a legitimate key sometime later
2. Upgrade the installation - do an archive and install - but enter your upgrade licence key.

This allows you to install Vista on a blank machine and I presume the same is true of Windows 7.

- all of which sounds daft, and not legal. Quite why anyone (not you) would complain about this being difficult or clunky is beyond me. As Scottsdale said, buying the correct version in the first place avoids all this pain.

lucifiel
Mar 9, 2010, 04:48 AM
what about the poor guy who doesn't have a superdrive, has win vista and wants to upgrade to win 7 without doing all the legwork?

though i suspect that'd be the demographic which is about 1% of the population, and the other 99% are being cheap, but nevertheless, my point is not invalid.

jdechko
Mar 9, 2010, 12:46 PM
lucifel, check out WinToFlash
http://wintoflash.com/home/en/

spriter
Mar 28, 2010, 03:12 AM
I am one of that 1% without an SD. I doubt WinToFlash will work as the MBA seems to refuse to boot from any USB device other than the SD.

There have been lots of posts about Refit but it didn't function as a workaround.

noobxr
Mar 28, 2010, 03:07 PM
I'm currently running XP on bootcamp and don't have a SD or any external drives.

I'm wondering if its wise or even remotely possible to upgrade from XP to Vista then to 7 without the use of an external drive. School has provided me with a Microsoft Academic Alliance account, which means that I am probably able to download the full versions of Vista Professional and 7, so the full install/ upgrade disk shouldn't be an issue. But I'm kind of stumped with regards to the installation of Max OSX driver disk.

Is it possible that I can keep all files if I don't do a clean installation?

PS. Sounds like I'm almost screwed? :(

skate71290
Mar 28, 2010, 04:26 PM
hey, don't think there is a solution to Installing Windows 7 via USB on Bootcamp... the only alternative i can suggest is Parallels (better than VM Fusion)... Network install doesn't work either

gwsat
Mar 29, 2010, 08:41 PM
hey, don't think there is a solution to Installing Windows 7 via USB on Bootcamp... the only alternative i can suggest is Parallels (better than VM Fusion)... Network install doesn't work either
Speaking of Windows 7 run in a virtualization program, what kind of success have you MBA owners had with running Windows in either a Fusion or Parallels virtual machine? When I was running Windows XP in a Fusion virtual machine on my 2.4 Ghz MBP, I had only 2Gb of RAM and the results weren't great. That experience has led me to fear that the MBA's 2Ghz of RAM makes it a poor choice for running Windows in a virtualization program. Nevertheless, I have had no actual experience with the MBA, so would appreciate hearing about the experience of those of you who have actually run Windows and either Fusion or Parallels on the MBA.

lucifiel
Mar 29, 2010, 10:37 PM
hey, don't think there is a solution to Installing Windows 7 via USB on Bootcamp... the only alternative i can suggest is Parallels (better than VM Fusion)... Network install doesn't work either

there is an article on the internet which allows you to use Parallels to install windows on a separate partition and then bootoff that partition without virtualisation.

uhh, try googling for it, i can't remember it off the top of my head.

.product
Mar 30, 2010, 12:36 AM
There are a few websites, but the procedure here worked for me:
http://insidethebrackets.blogspot.com/2009/04/install-windows-on-macbook-air-with-no.html

You don't need a SD or rEFIt. I was able to do it with only:
1) Large USB external drive
2) SL installation disk (for bootcamp drivers, and to rewrite the MBR)
3) Window 7 install disk.

I created images of both 2 & 3 and held them on separate partitions on the external HDD. The tutorial above uses remote disk, which is unnecessary if you restore an image of your SL install disk to a partition (and much faster too).

Post if you have problems, I fiddled with rEFIt and many methods before figuring out how to get W7 working.

Alkiera
Mar 30, 2010, 11:34 AM
Speaking of Windows 7 run in a virtualization program, what kind of success have you MBA owners had with running Windows in either a Fusion or Parallels virtual machine? When I was running Windows XP in a Fusion virtual machine on my 2.4 Ghz MBP, I had only 2Gb of RAM and the results weren't great. That experience has led me to fear that the MBA's 2Ghz of RAM makes it a poor choice for running Windows in a virtualization program. Nevertheless, I have had no actual experience with the MBA, so would appreciate hearing about the experience of those of you who have actually run Windows and either Fusion or Parallels on the MBA.

I've run WinXP Pro in a Fusion VM on my RevA MBA. It works okay, about as well as one would expect given I only gave it 768mb ram, and was running Visual Studio 2008 on it. Not gonna get lightning response from a VM with minimal RAM. I admittedly tried to close as much as possible in MacOS while running that configuration, so there wasn't anything native slowing things down.

That said, with more than 2gb ram, you could afford to give XP/7 much more room to breathe in, without restricting MacOS too much; VM windows would obviously work out better on one of the MBPs with upgraded ram.

gwsat
Mar 30, 2010, 02:52 PM
I've run WinXP Pro in a Fusion VM on my RevA MBA. It works okay, about as well as one would expect given I only gave it 768mb ram, and was running Visual Studio 2008 on it. Not gonna get lightning response from a VM with minimal RAM. I admittedly tried to close as much as possible in MacOS while running that configuration, so there wasn't anything native slowing things down.

That said, with more than 2gb ram, you could afford to give XP/7 much more room to breathe in, without restricting MacOS too much; VM windows would obviously work out better on one of the MBPs with upgraded ram.
Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate it. You have confirmed my suspicions. Your experience running Fusion and Windows on 1Gb of RAM, or less, reflects my own. Windows and its apps would run but things often slowed down unexpectedly so I, too, kept Windows and Fusion shut down as much as possible. Now, with 6Gb of RAM on my MBP, I keep Windows and Fusion in Unity mode running all the time without difficulty.

noobxr
Mar 31, 2010, 09:46 AM
Thanks all, guess I'll just stick to XP for now - not worth the effort to upgrade especially since XP is already stalling and Win7 might require even more diskspace. (Working on a set of presentation slides on my PC takes 1 hour, and around 2 hours on bootcamp). It can be a nightmare especially when you've got 2 presentations due the next day.

Only running bootcamp now because some of my modules require us to run marketing stimulation games on PC. Perhaps CrossOver might work better, shall try in a few weeks' time. :S

Anyone has past experience running CrossOver?

gwsat
Mar 31, 2010, 04:50 PM
Anyone has past experience running CrossOver?
I've had no experience with CrossOver. In fact, I had never heard of it until recently. I saw on the CrossOver site that it will run Quicken for Windows on an Intel Mac. Because I have already upgraded my MBP from 2 to 6Gb of RAM, I am perfectly happy with Fusion 3 and Windows 7. Nevertheless, I would like to know whether CrossOver requires any less memory than Fusion does because Fusion's memory requirements are substantial. If I thought I could run Quicken 2010 for Windows seamlessly with OS X apps on an MBA with only 2Gb of RAM, I might reconsider the MBA.

Scottsdale
Mar 31, 2010, 05:42 PM
Erhm, what ever happened to the OP? I guess this was for our "enjoyment" only?

skate71290
Apr 2, 2010, 01:23 PM
Speaking of Windows 7 run in a virtualization program, what kind of success have you MBA owners had with running Windows in either a Fusion or Parallels virtual machine? When I was running Windows XP in a Fusion virtual machine on my 2.4 Ghz MBP, I had only 2Gb of RAM and the results weren't great. That experience has led me to fear that the MBA's 2Ghz of RAM makes it a poor choice for running Windows in a virtualization program. Nevertheless, I have had no actual experience with the MBA, so would appreciate hearing about the experience of those of you who have actually run Windows and either Fusion or Parallels on the MBA.

not the best ever but it can work, i got the slowest MBA ever built (1.6GHZ, 2GB RAM...) i can live with it, but like i said, not the best :(

gwsat
Apr 2, 2010, 01:59 PM
not the best ever but it can work, i got the slowest MBA ever built (1.6GHZ, 2GB RAM...) i can live with it, but like i said, not the best :(
skate -- Thanks for confirming my suspicions. I guess I'll just have to wait and see what, if anything, Apple does to improve the MBA. That's a shame because I really like it and would buy one right now if it had more RAM. My MBP has been great with Fusion and Windows 7 with 6Gb or RAM but struggled when it had only 2.

rnp614
May 12, 2010, 03:05 PM
I cant get the windows 7 CD to run. My computer reboots and then I just see a black screen with the _ cursor blinking. What is going on?

Also, if you guys open up boot camp assistant and click about boot camp what does it say your version is. Mine says 3.0 Build (310) or something like that. I'm wondering if that 310 signifies 3.1 version of 3.0 or not.

notgls
Feb 12, 2011, 03:10 PM
I appreciate your intent with this post, but let me tell you I completely disagree about the complexity of installing Windows 7. I installed 64-bit Windows 7 on my MBA without any of your instructions and did so completely fine without any problems other than a fully illuminated keyboard backlight and a fully bright MBA native display. The only instructions I used were Apple's own Boot Camp instructions.

Advice to everyone... buy the right Windows 7 version. DO NOT STEAL THE SOFTWARE by buying an upgrade disk. Don't say that you somehow are justified to steal the license because you're poor. If you have a full version of Windows, I believe you will not have any problems. Those that use an "upgrade" disk aren't really paying for the full experience... and therefore they don't get the "full experience." Of course it's more difficult to "CHEAT" Microsoft and use an upgrade disk. With Apple, they're getting most of the OS paid for via the premium for the hardware. Microsoft doesn't force you to buy its hardware, therefore the OS costs a little more... very fair deal from my viewpoint.

I would like to point out that just because you wind up at Windows 7 with an upgrade disk doesn't mean that you stole it. I've paid my debt to Microsoft many times over. In my case I bought a full version of Vista for an older MacBook, then upgraded it with Windows 7. I no longer have that computer, since it was replaced by my Air, and that LEGAL copy of Windows is no longer being used on that machine. Why should I pay Microsoft AGAIN for what I already own?

robeddie
Feb 16, 2011, 12:05 AM
I cant get the windows 7 CD to run. My computer reboots and then I just see a black screen with the _ cursor blinking. What is going on?

Also, if you guys open up boot camp assistant and click about boot camp what does it say your version is. Mine says 3.0 Build (310) or something like that. I'm wondering if that 310 signifies 3.1 version of 3.0 or not.

Not sure if this would fix the problem, but I found I would often have problems with Windows on bootcamp if I only did the NTFS 'quick format' option in the opening dos-like screen when installing Windows.

When I do a 'full format' there, the install ALWAYS proceeds without a hitch.

jinxednuance
Feb 16, 2011, 12:41 AM
For those that run Win7 on MBA, what are your experiences so far? I was thinking of installing it but I am constantly afraid of slowing it down especially that I have the standard 13'.

Thanks

KPOM
Feb 16, 2011, 02:37 PM
It runs fine for me either on Boot Camp or Parallels on my 4GB 2.13GHz system. If you have a 2GB system, it might run a bit slower on Parallels, but in Boot Camp it should be fine.

Starlights
Feb 16, 2011, 09:10 PM
For those that run Win7 on MBA, what are your experiences so far? I was thinking of installing it but I am constantly afraid of slowing it down especially that I have the standard 13'.

Thanks

I have windows 7 running via bootcamp and it runs fine. I have the 13/128/4gb version.

Bluezeno
Feb 17, 2011, 11:49 PM
I have windows 7 running via bootcamp and it runs fine. I have the 13/128/4gb version.

Yeah it runs fine but there is a huge problem with the trackpad.

FYI, I'm using bootcamp 3.2 with MBA 13" ultimate with Win 7 Pro.

1. 3 finger, 4 finger anything doesn't work. In other words, the only thing you can do with the trackpad with bootcamp Windows 7 is 2 finger scroll up and down and right click and tap to click.

2. Clicking is irregular, especially if you click the bottom left corner of the trackpad.

3. Scrolling is NOT smooth like in OSX. When you scroll, you can see the page move in big clumps. There's also no momentum scrolling.

4. The movement of the cursor isn't as consistent as it is in OSX. Sometimes, when you are using the trackpad, the cursor just stops moving for like 1-2 seconds.

My point is that bootcamp is definitely usable but it isn't as smooth as Windows 7 running on a PC.

If anyone knows solutions to these problems, that'd be awesome. I've also tried installing trackpad++ because lots of people recommended it but again, the trackpad improved but not as perfect as I'd want it to be.

Starlights
Feb 18, 2011, 12:02 AM
Yeah it runs fine but there is a huge problem with the trackpad.

FYI, I'm using bootcamp 3.2 with MBA 13" ultimate with Win 7 Pro.

1. 3 finger, 4 finger anything doesn't work. In other words, the only thing you can do with the trackpad with bootcamp Windows 7 is 2 finger scroll up and down and right click and tap to click.

2. Clicking is irregular, especially if you click the bottom left corner of the trackpad.

3. Scrolling is NOT smooth like in OSX. When you scroll, you can see the page move in big clumps. There's also no momentum scrolling.

4. The movement of the cursor isn't as consistent as it is in OSX. Sometimes, when you are using the trackpad, the cursor just stops moving for like 1-2 seconds.

My point is that bootcamp is definitely usable but it isn't as smooth as Windows 7 running on a PC.

If anyone knows solutions to these problems, that'd be awesome. I've also tried installing trackpad++ because lots of people recommended it but again, the trackpad improved but not as perfect as I'd want it to be.

Regards to your points 2,3 & 4 - I have no such issues - The scrolling is buttery smooth - momentum scrolling works fine and there is no jumpiness or jerky pointer movement. I havent installed any special scrolling software either.

As for point #1 - Thats pretty much what i get, but then i dont need more as i use Windows only for work and this is my backup computer.

nobackup
Feb 18, 2011, 02:02 AM
I appreciate your intent with this post, but let me tell you I completely disagree about the complexity of installing Windows 7. I installed 64-bit Windows 7 on my MBA without any of your instructions and did so completely fine without any problems other than a fully illuminated keyboard backlight and a fully bright MBA native display. The only instructions I used were Apple's own Boot Camp instructions.

Advice to everyone... buy the right Windows 7 version. DO NOT STEAL THE SOFTWARE by buying an upgrade disk. Don't say that you somehow are justified to steal the license because you're poor. If you have a full version of Windows, I believe you will not have any problems. Those that use an "upgrade" disk aren't really paying for the full experience... and therefore they don't get the "full experience." Of course it's more difficult to "CHEAT" Microsoft and use an upgrade disk. With Apple, they're getting most of the OS paid for via the premium for the hardware. Microsoft doesn't force you to buy its hardware, therefore the OS costs a little more... very fair deal from my viewpoint.


Mate me thinks you should seek to understand before blowing off... you can only install win7 on the new 2010 Macbook AIRs ... therefore if you upgraded your hardware and wanted to reinstall windows XP ... no go.... not supported by Apple... only way is BUY a BRAND new lic or do as the guy above... very very legitimate as all previous dues paid...

If the Microsoft Police turn up at the door ... here my XP CD, here my Vista and here my upgrade LIC....


People need a route, and you closed the door to them if they follow your post.... seek to understand.. :)

nobackup
Feb 18, 2011, 02:12 AM
My Win 7 Experience..


I have 2x2010 Macbook Airs

11.6 1.4 2GB 128GB
13 2.13 4GB 256GB


On BOTH no issues in bootcamp (BOTH AERO ON)

Parallels Running on Bootcamp

2.13 Fast to load and get to DESKTOP ... (Full Screen) ,,, Fast Response easy to work with... Allocated 2GB.. AERO ON
1.4 Slow to load and get to DESKTOP ... (Full Screen) ,,, Good Response easy to work with... Allocated 1GB ... AERO Off.


Still using Win7 on the 2.13 but now use XP in a VHD on the 1.4 as uses way less diskspace than 7


N.B. on Both I have Coolbook installed so when running "inside" of OSX runs much cooler and has very little effect on overall battery run time...


overall the 2.13 experience in Win7 is about as good as it gets,if not the best, easily out performs my work Thinkpad X201 4GB 256SSD with an i5 !!!

hope this helps:D

Scottsdale
Feb 18, 2011, 11:45 PM
Mate me thinks you should seek to understand before blowing off... you can only install win7 on the new 2010 Macbook AIRs ... therefore if you upgraded your hardware and wanted to reinstall windows XP ... no go.... not supported by Apple... only way is BUY a BRAND new lic or do as the guy above... very very legitimate as all previous dues paid...

If the Microsoft Police turn up at the door ... here my XP CD, here my Vista and here my upgrade LIC....


People need a route, and you closed the door to them if they follow your post.... seek to understand.. :)

You speak to me as I am ignorant, but I have had Windows 7 64-bit ultimate and professional running on a 2.13 GHz "OLD" style MBA with Nvidia 9400m. You talk only of running it via BootCamp drivers, then you still don't factor in that what you mean is 64-bit.

Wise up before you attack others with your unfounded "knowledge." I don't appreciate it, and you're dead wrong too. It almost makes it humorous. Look at how old the post is too... I hope your tongue lashings backfire against you for talking to people without knowledge of which you speak.

nobackup
Feb 19, 2011, 06:02 AM
You speak to me as I am ignorant, but I have had Windows 7 64-bit ultimate and professional running on a 2.13 GHz "OLD" style MBA with Nvidia 9400m. You talk only of running it via BootCamp drivers, then you still don't factor in that what you mean is 64-bit.

Wise up before you attack others with your unfounded "knowledge." I don't appreciate it, and you're dead wrong too. It almost makes it humorous. Look at how old the post is too... I hope your tongue lashings backfire against you for talking to people without knowledge of which you speak.

Wow who is striking out then..

Read what you wrote and read what I wrote... mmmmmmmmm Does it state any here that its an old Air... NO .... you just stated that ... don't steal....

Advice to everyone... buy the right Windows 7 version. DO NOT STEAL THE SOFTWARE by buying an upgrade disk. Don't say that you somehow are justified to steal the license because you're poor. If you have a full version of Windows, I believe you will not have any problems. Those that use an "upgrade" disk aren't really paying for the full experience... and therefore they don't get the "full experience." Of course it's more difficult to "CHEAT" Microsoft and use an upgrade disk. With Apple, they're getting most of the OS paid for via the premium for the hardware. Microsoft doesn't force you to buy its hardware, therefore the OS costs a little more... very fair deal from my viewpoint.

I was stating the CORRECT case for the new air.... suggest you get new Glasses

Buy WIN XP allows upgrade to Vista... , or buy Vista ......Upgradable to Win7.... 32 Bit allows also to install 64 Bit.... mmmmm that's still correct

buy the right Windows 7 version. DO NOT STEAL THE SOFTWARE by buying an upgrade disk.


who cares its full legal... you had your say ... allow others there without lowering the tone into the gutter...

so

Closed..

nobackup
Feb 19, 2011, 06:07 AM
Regards to your points 2,3 & 4 - I have no such issues - The scrolling is buttery smooth - momentum scrolling works fine and there is no jumpiness or jerky pointer movement. I havent installed any special scrolling software either.

As for point #1 - Thats pretty much what i get, but then i dont need more as i use Windows only for work and this is my backup computer.


What App are you using ... I have noticed a big difference in "Scrolling" based on the Browser and stuff installed.. If I use Chrome then its not as smooth if there is a lot of FLASH on the site and FLASH BLOCK disabled.

if using other browsers with NO FLASH installed all is smooth as silk..

Scrolling through a 60 page word document or a large PDF ... no issue :) just my 10 cents..

stockscalper
Feb 19, 2011, 10:21 AM
Maybe the scrolling issue is related to memory. I have the 2.13 GHZ edition with 4 gigs and scrolling is smooth as silk running Windows 7 under Parallels 5.

Bluezeno
Feb 19, 2011, 12:56 PM
I'm using a 13" ultimate (4GB ram, 2.13GHz, 256GB SSD) with parallels 6 and Win7 ultimate. I dedicated 2GB of ram and 2 cores to parallels.

I'm sorry but let me just clarify what I mean by scrolling. What I'm trying to say is that scrolling isn't smooth as it is in OSX. In OSX, each scroll scrolls down the page by like 5 pixels whereas in parallels or bootcamp, each scroll scrolls down by like 30 pixels. This is normal in the Windows environment because my PC does this as well. Extremely smooth scrolling is a OSX feature which doesn't transfer over via bootcamp or parallels. This is slightly correctable using browser extensions such as "smooth scroll" for chrome but scrolling still isn't as smooth as it is in OSX.

Also, I don't get momentum scrolling to the extent I do in OSX. In OSX, the degree of momentum scrolling is configurable whereas in bootcamp drivers, it is not.

Clicking being irregular and the movement of the cursor not being consistent in bootcamp (not parallels) may be due to me being oversensitive but still noticeable by me.

As a FYI, I'd highly recommend turning Aero off and running Parallels in full screen mode. Running parallels with the "Mac skin" enabled automatically turns of Windows Aero or you can do it via the option menu in parallels. This makes Windows 7 runs noticeably faster. I use spaces to dedicate an entire space to full screen windows and whatever program I need to run and several other spaces divided into apps appropriate for photos, studying, etc.

Yeah it runs fine but there is a huge problem with the trackpad.

FYI, I'm using bootcamp 3.2 with MBA 13" ultimate with Win 7 Pro.

1. 3 finger, 4 finger anything doesn't work. In other words, the only thing you can do with the trackpad with bootcamp Windows 7 is 2 finger scroll up and down and right click and tap to click.

2. Clicking is irregular, especially if you click the bottom left corner of the trackpad.

3. Scrolling is NOT smooth like in OSX. When you scroll, you can see the page move in big clumps. There's also no momentum scrolling.

4. The movement of the cursor isn't as consistent as it is in OSX. Sometimes, when you are using the trackpad, the cursor just stops moving for like 1-2 seconds.

My point is that bootcamp is definitely usable but it isn't as smooth as Windows 7 running on a PC.

If anyone knows solutions to these problems, that'd be awesome. I've also tried installing trackpad++ because lots of people recommended it but again, the trackpad improved but not as perfect as I'd want it to be.

jinxednuance
Feb 19, 2011, 02:37 PM
I know Parallel cost 79$ Apple Store Canada.

Is BootCamp free? Or do I need to purchase that as well?

Thanks

Bluezeno
Feb 19, 2011, 02:57 PM
Bootcamp is free, it comes with your OSX. it's in apps --> utilities --> bootcamp assistant

I know Parallel cost 79$ Apple Store Canada.

Is BootCamp free? Or do I need to purchase that as well?

Thanks

Starlights
Feb 19, 2011, 06:07 PM
What App are you using ... I have noticed a big difference in "Scrolling" based on the Browser and stuff installed.. If I use Chrome then its not as smooth if there is a lot of FLASH on the site and FLASH BLOCK disabled.

if using other browsers with NO FLASH installed all is smooth as silk..

Scrolling through a 60 page word document or a large PDF ... no issue :) just my 10 cents..

I dont use any special apps for scrolling function if thats what you meant.

When in windows 7 (Via Bootcamp) I use IE8. The scrolling is as smooth as with OSX. I have aero on and i get the Windows user experience rating of 5.3

I dont really have too many apps installed on either Windows or OSX other than MS Office suite on both sides and some utility applications.

nobackup
Feb 20, 2011, 11:33 PM
I dont use any special apps for scrolling function if thats what you meant.

When in windows 7 (Via Bootcamp) I use IE8. The scrolling is as smooth as with OSX. I have aero on and i get the Windows user experience rating of 5.3

I dont really have too many apps installed on either Windows or OSX other than MS Office suite on both sides and some utility applications.

Yep that's my feedback as well, however I have started using Safari (As I can get it to sync all data with my OSX app) Also I use Chrome as already stated I only have access to FLASH via chrome... and even then I have installed FLASH block and ADBLOCK, on both helps keep the CPU cycles down and boosts battery time :)

I have all set-up so that I can use is via BOOTCAMP or parallels ... (Saves disk space)... as I need access to OUTLOOK for my work email as OUTLOOK for the MAC 2011 is NOT 100% compatible (cant just read embedded EMAILs from colleges or access old "Archives"....) this helps me also have a third location for my DATA so allows for a greater degree of security :).. or is t a forth as I use MAIL.APP to access work exchange server on the fly.. and fire up "Windows" AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK AND SYNC.... ... GET A HOLD OF THE ABANDON WARE winclone to image the boot camp partition just in case...

I have this all mirrored (DATA ONLY...ensures no rouge updates can lock me out.. :) ) on to the 11.6 as well .... as I travel a lot and cant best the 11 for Airline seats..

KPOM
Feb 21, 2011, 12:19 PM
GET A HOLD OF THE ABANDON WARE winclone to image the boot camp partition just in case...


x2. It's still available from CNet Download. It's great software (it compresses backups and is easy to use to resize a Boot Camp partition as well), and it's too bad the developer didn't get enough support to continue. I'll miss it once a version of OS X or Windows comes out that renders it incompatible.

Too bad the developer didn't leave a site open for donations.

blevins321
Feb 21, 2011, 12:30 PM
Has anyone thought to try PenDriveLinux (http://www.pendrivelinux.com/)? I don't mean a Linux distro, but rather the USB disk maker that they create? I remember when I was making a USB system rescue disc that Windows 7 ISO was in the list of options.

I do not know if this is Mac-bootable or not. And at the moment, I'm not able to try because of lack of flash drive.

nobackup
Feb 21, 2011, 11:57 PM
Has anyone thought to try PenDriveLinux (http://www.pendrivelinux.com/)? I don't mean a Linux distro, but rather the USB disk maker that they create? I remember when I was making a USB system rescue disc that Windows 7 ISO was in the list of options.

I do not know if this is Mac-bootable or not. And at the moment, I'm not able to try because of lack of flash drive.



I tried to get things bootable from external USB but its not supported natively from the :apple: AIR, I was however able to get my USB pen drive bootable.... but I needed to install refit bootmanger... google is your friend.. :eek:;)


I even got True Image Rescue Disk to work this way :) ... belt and braces I use True Image to make a post installation (but pre and the +300 meg patches for win 7 & office) BIT COPY.... just makes it easier to reinstall if I need to go all the way back... post "Updating" I use WinClone ....

your mileage may vary...