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Bartman01
Mar 16, 2010, 06:52 PM
When the battery runs completely down on the MacBook Air (1st gen), the system clock resets due to no system board battery. Not a huge deal except for a catch-22:

With the clock reset, the wi-fi doesnt' work.
Since the wi-fi doesn't work, it can't automatically update the time to date and time that makes the card happy.

Once you manually update the date/time to current, wi-fi starts to work again.

Anyone know if this is a chip set or OS issue? If it is an OS issue, does Snow Leopard address it?



Alkiera
Mar 17, 2010, 10:00 AM
I would guess it's a chipset issue; and to a certain extent, a user issue. The system (unless disabled) warns you when it's low, and tries to go into hibernation when it's very low, so you don't lose data.

Is this something that happens to you regularly, that you're looking for a software-fix, rather than a usage-pattern fix?

IMSAI8080
Mar 17, 2010, 01:14 PM
I think you must have something else going on.

I had drained my 1st gen many times, all the way to shutdown. The clock always kept proper time, and wi-fi always worked, after being plugged in.

stoconnell
Mar 17, 2010, 02:07 PM
It could be a dead motherboard battery. Hope for apple care.

Other things to look at would be resetting the SMC and PRAM to clear its brain.

SMC -- http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1411
PRAM and NVRAM == http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1379

Scottsdale
Mar 17, 2010, 02:39 PM
It could be a dead motherboard battery. Hope for apple care.

Other things to look at would be resetting the SMC and PRAM to clear its brain.

SMC -- http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1411
PRAM and NVRAM == http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1379

Yes, it's definitely the motherboard battery if the SMC and PRAM don't fix it. Someone else posted about this four or five months ago.

Bartman01
Mar 23, 2010, 09:53 AM
Yes, it's definitely the motherboard battery if the SMC and PRAM don't fix it. Someone else posted about this four or five months ago.

There is no motherboard battery on the AIR, when the main battery runs all the way down there is no alternate power supply. I reset the machine a while back and it seemed to help for a while.

FYI - this happens when the machine is left unplugged with the lid closed in sleep mode, so no 'warning' occurs before the battery runs all the way down.

The easy fix is to just not leave it like this, but I have no control over that (not the primary user).

nobackup
Mar 23, 2010, 10:45 AM
Why does the WiFi need the Time ?

I've left my MacBook Air sitting around for months ... battery completely flat... start i up it tells me the Time is wrong ... but I don't have to do anything in a few mins it has sorted its self out ?t

snberk103
Mar 23, 2010, 12:42 PM
For what's worth, my old iBook G4 had exactly the same issue, though to clarify there is a difference between running the notebook until it shuts down, and leaving it in sleep mode for a period of time. In the first case there is enough juice in the system to keep the clock running for at least a while. But if you truly run the battery down then the system totally drains the battery(s).

My iBook would need to be told what time/date it was when it was totally drained, by my wife's Air seems to have never drained itself to the point of not being able to connect to the WiFi.... and she has let it drain down in sleep mode... so I don't know what the difference is. In each case it was Tiger, then Leopard (for the iBook) or just Leopard for the Air. No experience with Snow Leopard.

Bartman01
Mar 23, 2010, 12:51 PM
Why does the WiFi need the Time ?

I've left my MacBook Air sitting around for months ... battery completely flat... start i up it tells me the Time is wrong ... but I don't have to do anything in a few mins it has sorted its self out ?t

What version of the Air do you have? Ours is a first generation one, and it appears that the driver or hardware for wi-fi doesn't work with the date reset to beginning of time. It shouldn't matter, but it does.

nobackup
Mar 23, 2010, 04:09 PM
What version of the Air do you have? Ours is a first generation one, and it appears that the driver or hardware for wi-fi doesn't work with the date reset to beginning of time. It shouldn't matter, but it does.

Had gen 1 did the same thing since 8 months now gen 2... never had a problem, takes a few mins when "restored from deep sleep" but never had this issue, even with any other of my intel Macs (iMac,Mackbook G1,G2, UniBody)

I dont use the laptops for weeks at a time (use my Imac when in home office, only take "books" when traveling), only charge them the night before then sync them up in the morning over breakfast....

once when moving job, my iMac was in a shipping container for 8 months ... still no issue :)


only asked as I never experienced this , and just wondering why the "WiFi" requires time, could it be to do with the "Lease Time" on the IP Address ?


If it was an OS issue it would not be restricted to only GEN 1:confused:


and then why cant it be solved with manual time adjustment... i mean thats why it can ALSO update the time ?

dougbiznatch
Mar 31, 2010, 01:00 AM
Of course it can't have wifi if the battery is dead, you tard ass! How stupid can you be? I mean, this is insane!! The computer won't even turn on if the battery is dead, retard! Of course it can't get on wifi. For god's sake, you mofo.

iDisk
Mar 31, 2010, 06:14 AM
Don't let the battery run dead. Not that big of a deal.

drummerlondonw3
Mar 31, 2010, 06:22 AM
I've had this happen when my gf lets it run dead on sleep and doesnt shut down

its annoying but only takes a minute to fix.

Scottsdale
Mar 31, 2010, 09:45 AM
Don't let the battery run dead. Not that big of a deal.

Very true. But there's something wrong if it's doing this. I run my MBA's battery down and I don't have problems.

I am surprised it doesn't have a logicboard battery. Something I didn't know. It seems odd that it wouldn't have one and really makes no sense. So whenever it's worked on, and the main battery is disconnected, the time needs reset and all? I guess Apple did this because it no longer has removable batteries in Mac notebooks? Still seems odd.