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blackfox
Sep 10, 2004, 03:21 AM
OK, this is a little experiment...

I happened to Read the latest op-ed piece by Paul Krugman of the NYT (posted below). I found it, as his articles often are, to be very relevant and clarifying to the political issues and the realties that we both find ourselves faced with and have a tendency to discuss here in this forum.

So, I felt that I might start a thread solely for Krugman articles, as I find that his op-ed pieces might generate useful and/or meaningful discussion and clarity both in this thread and in others.

To some this might prove redundant, as NYT's online registration is free. Nevertheless, I thought it might provide some insight to those who do not normally read the NYT either by circumstance or active choice.

We will see how this goes...FWIW...

The Dishonesty Thing


By PAUL KRUGMAN

Published: September 10, 2004



t's the dishonesty, stupid. The real issue in the National Guard story isn't what George W. Bush did three decades ago. It's the recent pattern of lies: his assertions that he fulfilled his obligations when he obviously didn't, the White House's repeated claims that it had released all of the relevant documents when it hadn't.

It's the same pattern of dishonesty, this time involving personal matters that the public can easily understand, that some of us have long seen on policy issues, from global warming to the war in Iraq. On budget matters, which is where I came in, serious analysts now take administration dishonesty for granted.

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It wasn't always that way. Three years ago, those of us who accused the administration of cooking the budget books were ourselves accused, by moderates as well as by Bush loyalists, of being "shrill." These days the coalition of the shrill has widened to include almost every independent budget expert.

For example, back in February the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities accused the Bush administration of, in effect, playing three-card monte with budget forecasts. It pointed out that the administration's deficit forecast was far above those of independent analysts, and suggested that this exaggeration was deliberate.

"Overstating the 2004 deficit," the center wrote, "could allow the president to announce significant 'progress' on the deficit in late October - shortly before Election Day - when the Treasury Department announces the final figures."

Was this a wild accusation from a liberal think tank? No, it's conventional wisdom among experts. Two months ago Stanley Collender, a respected nonpartisan analyst, warned: "At some point over the next few weeks, the Office of Management and Budget will release the administration's midsession budget review and try to convince everyone the federal deficit is falling. Don't believe them."

He went on to echo the center's analysis. The administration's standard procedure, he said, is to initially issue an unrealistically high deficit forecast, which is "politically motivated or just plain bad." Then, when the actual number comes in below the forecast, officials declare that the deficit is falling, even though it's higher than the previous year's deficit.

Goldman Sachs says the same. Last month one of its analysts wrote that "the Office of Management and Budget has perfected the art of underpromising and overperforming in terms of its near-term budget deficit forecasts. This creates the impression that the deficit is narrowing when, in fact, it will be up sharply."

In other words, many reputable analysts think that the Bush administration routinely fakes even its short-term budget forecasts for the purposes of political spin. And the fakery in its long-term forecasts is much worse.

The administration claims to have a plan to cut the deficit in half over the next five years. But even Bruce Bartlett, a longtime tax-cut advocate, points out that "projections showing deficits falling assume that Bush's tax cuts expire on schedule." But Mr. Bush wants those tax cuts made permanent. That is, the administration has a "plan" to reduce the deficit that depends on Congress's not passing its own legislation.

Sounding definitely shrill, Mr. Bartlett says that "anyone who thinks we can overcome our fiscal mess without higher taxes is in denial." Far from backing down on his tax cuts, however, Mr. Bush is proposing to push the budget much deeper into the red with privatization programs that purport to offer something for nothing.

As Newsweek's Allan Sloan writes, "The president didn't exactly burden us with details about paying for all this. It's great marketing: show your audience the goodies but not the price tag. It's like going to the supermarket, picking out your stuff and taking it home without stopping at the checkout line to pay. The bill? That will come later."

Longtime readers will remember that that's exactly what I said, shrilly, about Mr. Bush's proposals during the 2000 campaign. Once again, he's running on the claim that 2 - 1 = 4.

So what's the real plan? Some not usually shrill people think that Mr. Bush will simply refuse to face reality until it comes crashing in: Paul Volcker, the former Federal Reserve chairman, says there's a 75 percent chance of a financial crisis in the next five years.

Nobody knows what Mr. Bush would really do about taxes and spending in a second term. What we do know is that on this, as on many matters, he won't tell the truth.

Coming up to an election where issues have taken a back-seat to vague "character" criteria, I thought this might prove relevant to those wondering which way is up after the recent maelstrom of "truths" and "lies"...

It also is again an attempt to try and convey that I, even though I am a Democrat, do not oppose Bush because of his Party affiliation and the values that implies.

Character is not a partisan issue.



dotnina
Sep 10, 2004, 03:50 AM
::snip:: It also is again an attempt to try and convey that I, even though I am a Democrat, do not oppose Bush because of his Party affiliation and the values that implies.

Character is not a partisan issue. ::snip::

I feel exactly the same way. I think character comes first, and good decisions follow. Someone who is noble and honest will make good decisions ... it's that simple.

I've voted for Republican candidates when I felt they had better character than their counterparts.

One of my problems with Bush is that he doesn't seem responsive to what people tell him. The UN says there's no WMDs in Iraq, the 9/11 report says to make changes now ... He seems to be in his own little world, doing whatever he thinks is right instead of doing what the general consensus thinks is right.

zimv20
Sep 10, 2004, 04:03 AM
i've been reading mr krugman's columns for a couple years now. when it was nearly verboten to even question what the administration was doing, krugman was almost alone in doing so. and always in a way that was level-headed, insightful and based on facts.

despite all the death threats he's received (people really _are_ pretty lame sometimes), i'm glad he's still crankin' out the great columns.

mactastic
Sep 10, 2004, 10:32 AM
I don't know guys... Boortz is more of a mainstream news guy, this Krugman is obviously to be dismissed out of hand as he is a blatant tool of the left wing media, and also is coordinating with the Kerry campaign.

My tin hat told me so... :p

Chip NoVaMac
Sep 10, 2004, 11:22 AM
I feel exactly the same way. I think character comes first, and good decisions follow. Someone who is noble and honest will make good decisions ... it's that simple.


Depends on how one wants to define character.

Does character get defined by some of these examples?

- A politician that speaks of the sanctity of marriage, but has been divorced?

- A politician that says they support the middle class and understands their needs; yet whose family history has never been middle class.

- A politician that cheats on his wife, or may have had a drug/alcohol problem in the past.

Or does character get defined by what they tried to do for their community and country? Both through law, community service, or military/law enforcement service. Does it get defined by their ties to the church of their choice?

That also brings to mind just how much character matters to the voting public. For if it mattered that much, then I think that we would see a greater turnover of the politicians - despite the amount of money that the incumbent has.

MikeAR
Sep 10, 2004, 05:24 PM
Krugman is brilliant in his columns and his new book. Did anyone see him debating Bill O'Reilly on Tim Russert's CNBC show? Krugman shredded him to bits and O'Reilly lied as usual.

blackfox
Sep 21, 2004, 07:28 AM
New Krugman...
The Last Deception


By PAUL KRUGMAN

Published: September 21, 2004



It's Ayad Allawi week. President Bush, starting with his address at the U.N. today, will try to present Mr. Allawi - a former Baathist who the BBC reports was chosen as prime minister because he was "equally mistrusted by everyone" - as the leader of a sovereign nation on the path to democracy. If the media play along, Mr. Bush may be able to keep the Iraq disaster under wraps for a few more weeks.

It may well work. In June, when the United States formally transferred sovereignty to Mr. Allawi's government, the media acted as if this empty gesture marked the end of the war. Even though American casualties continued to rise, stories about Iraq dropped off the evening news and the front pages. This gave the public the impression that things were improving and helped Mr. Bush recover in the polls.

Now Mr. Bush hopes that by pretending that Mr. Allawi is a real leader of a real government, he can conceal the fact that he has led America into a major strategic defeat.

That's a stark statement, but it's a view shared by almost all independent military and intelligence experts. Put it this way: it's hard to identify any major urban areas outside Kurdistan where the U.S. and its allies exercise effective control. Insurgents operate freely, even in the heart of Baghdad, while coalition forces, however many battles they win, rule only whatever ground they happen to stand on. And efforts to put an Iraqi face on the occupation are self-defeating: as the example of Mr. Allawi shows, any leader who is too closely associated with America becomes tainted in the eyes of the Iraqi public.

Mr. Bush's insistence that he is nonetheless "pleased with the progress" in Iraq - when his own National Intelligence Estimate echoes the grim views of independent experts - would be funny if the reality weren't so grim. Unfortunately, this is no joke: to the delight of Al Qaeda, America's overstretched armed forces are gradually getting chewed up in a losing struggle.

So what's the answer?

The Bush administration fostered the Iraq insurgency by botching the essential tasks of enlisting allies, rebuilding infrastructure, training and equipping local security forces, and preparing for elections. It's understandable, then, that John Kerry - whose speech yesterday was deadly accurate in its description of Mr. Bush's mistakes - proposes going back and doing the job right.

But I hope that Mr. Kerry won't allow himself to be trapped into trying to fulfill neocon fantasies. If there ever was a chance to turn Iraq into a pro-American beacon of democracy, that chance perished a long time ago.

Can the insurgency be crushed? It's widely believed that in November, a few days after the election, the Bush administration will launch an all-out offensive against insurgent-controlled areas. Such an offensive will, for all practical purposes, be an attempt to conquer Iraq all over again. But unlike Saddam's hapless commanders, the insurgents won't oblige us by taking up positions in the countryside, where they can be blasted by U.S. air power. And grinding urban warfare that leads to heavy American casualties and the death of large numbers of innocent civilians will simply enlarge the ranks of our enemies.

But if the chance to install a pro-American government has been lost, what's the alternative? Scaling back our aims. This means accepting the fact that an Iraqi leader, to have legitimacy, must be able to deliver an end to America's military presence. Unless we want this war to go on forever, we will have to abandon the 14 "enduring bases" the Bush administration has been building.

It also means accepting the likelihood that Iraq will not have a strong central government - and that local leaders will end up with a lot of autonomy. This doesn't have to mean creating havens for hostile forces: remember that for a year after Saddam's fall, moderate Shiite clerics effectively governed large areas of Iraq and kept them relatively peaceful. It was the continuing irritant of the U.S. occupation that empowered radicals like Moktada al-Sadr.

The point is that by winding down America's military presence, while promising aid to those who don't harbor anti-American terrorists and retaliation against those who do, the U.S. can probably leave behind an Iraq that isn't an American ally, but isn't a threat either. And that, at this point, is probably the best we can hope for.

Ain't reality a bitch?