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wdropo
Mar 30, 2010, 09:32 PM
Just came from the Apple Store in Sherman Oaks CA. Had a conversation with one of the geniuses about the Ipad, rollout, market for, and other aspects.

Bottom line is he thinks and "strongly suspects" Apple will drop the MacBook Air upon successful rollout of the Ipad.

I said that was bad news as I liked the product and said their is nothing like it in the mac world with the keyboard, thinness and full computing power for businesspeople. He said its is just where Apple seems to be going.

So take it as you want, friends. Would be sad, but the logic is there.:mad:



efegue
Mar 30, 2010, 09:35 PM
He knows nothing, his opinion counts as much as anyone in this forum. It's just an opinion.
I don't think Apple will drop the Air, there's a market for it, if they do the right thing (read upgrades).

wdropo
Mar 30, 2010, 09:37 PM
I am with you, brother. Still hoping for rev D (or C in some people's minds). But thought it was important to pass on this interaction.

efegue
Mar 30, 2010, 09:45 PM
I'm waiting for it, I would be happy with 4GB of RAM, that's it for me!

Synchromesh
Mar 31, 2010, 01:06 AM
Standard SSD on all models? I dare to dream! :)

Veinticinco
Mar 31, 2010, 04:31 AM
Bottom line is he thinks and "strongly suspects" Apple will drop the MacBook Air upon successful rollout of the Ipad.

That makes absolutely no sense in that direct competitive context - the two serve vastly different purposes and target audiences. Only one runs full Mac OS for example. A fairly big differentiator.

Your genius is speculating wildly and almost certainly inaccurately - there have been many far more intelligent, rational and thoughtful posts about the MBA's prognosis on this board than what he "strongly suspects".

Myself I've gone from likening the MBA's abortive evolution to my old faithful G4 Cube (pioneering design, limited hardware upgrade options, prohibitively high price point) to hoping and convincing myself of an all-new shiney black Alu MBA with OLED screen, 256GB SSD, 4GB+ RAM, 7 hour battery tech...[/Scottsdale].......to again mentally wearing a sandwich board, growing a long beard and proclaiming "the end is nigh", and back and forth many times since.

If there is an MBA-killer, it is a lighter, thinner, smaller MBP. Not an iPad.

sushi
Mar 31, 2010, 04:39 AM
That makes absolutely no sense in that direct competitive context - the two serve vastly different purposes and target audiences. Only one runs full Mac OS for example. A fairly big differentiator.
Agree. The two are for different markets.

Some say the MBA is the wave of the future for the MBP line. The MBP line will get thinner and drop the optical drive. Personally, I don't agree. I see the MBA, MB and MBP and three distinctly different lines.

As for the iPad, it's with the iPhone / iPod touch lineup and doesn't compete directly with the laptops.

Veinticinco
Mar 31, 2010, 04:45 AM
Some say the MBA is the wave of the future for the MBP line. The MBP line will get thinner and drop the optical drive. Personally, I don't agree. I see the MBA, MB and MBP and three distinctly different lines.

I'd be interested to know why you think that and any supporting thoughts, ideas etc.

Reason being is that in an ideal world, that's exactly how I would segment the laptop offerings. Except in reality, it's hard to see a MBP future that doesn't mean lighter, thinner form factors (moving into MBA territory, its primary USP in fact), and almost impossible to argue against the fact that optical media (again, the lack thereof being the MBA's secondary USP) is circling the drain.

*EDIT* To add to this, in an ideal world I'd like to see the MBA kept very much alive, as a pioneering platform for new tech and design - which was how it was originally conceived, first Alu unibody etc. A premium flagship if you like, a pull to get punters in the Apple door before the inevitable switch to the all-round 13" MBP.

Sure, it will always be a loss leader rather than a volume seller, but then BA and Air France operated Concorde successfully along the lines of this business model, catering to the affluent and demanding cognoscenti (and the likes of Elton John sadly), and the once-in-a-lifetimers, whilst keeping the profit-making business and first-class passengers loyal to the airline by virtue of glamour by association and the promise of upgrades in the face of very stiff competition from the likes of Virgin Atlantic in particular. You can see where this analogy is going, but the (extremely poorly-judged IMO) decision to mothball the old girl for financial reasons hasn't really worked - AF has had to merge to stay alive, and BA has gone from the "world's favourite airline" to a sorry mess in the 7 years since it canned its flagship with a pioneering design and niche market.

I'd love to say 'take note Jobs' at this point, but let's be honest in continuing the analogy here. The gargantuan difference between the two examples is that BA does not have $50 billion or whatever in cash reserves, and isn't, say, the world's leading car manufacturer. Long gone are the days when Apple cared about delivering a premium product to its core 'pro' Mac loyalists - cash is king and high volume consumer sales are all that counts - ask yourself when was the last time you saw a TV ad for the new MBP or iMac? Meanwhile spots for the iPod Touch run every half hour. To what end though? What's the point in having obscene amounts of cash if you're not prepared to write a tiny proportion of it off and reinforce your once-solid reputation as innovators and leaders? You can argue as a company they are looking at many new technologies for the future, which is true, but that doesn't absolve them of failing to keep their Mac hardware up to spec. And with that, reputation goes hand in hand - something that takes a long time to build up, but a very short time to destroy.

iDisk
Mar 31, 2010, 06:10 AM
Your story would have more clout if it came from a Apple Retail Manager. Not a Apple retail employee, shall I even say it, " Genius ".

As you've found out in the previous article on MacRumors, these " Geniuses " don't even get information of new product until it's RELEASED.

Apple Retail employees gossip .... ALOT!

PS. I know first hand they love to feed (inaccurate) information to customers, just to later brag about it to there peers.

GoCubsGo
Mar 31, 2010, 06:25 AM
Your story would have more clout if it came from a Apple Retail Manager. Not a Apple retail employee, shall I even say it, " Genius ".

As you've found out in the previous article on MacRumors, these " Geniuses " don't even get information of new product until it's RELEASED.

Apple Retail employees gossip .... ALOT!

PS. I know first hand they love to feed (inaccurate) information to customers, just to later brag about it to there peers.

Is that at all like the news you "broke" with such certainty a while back? :cool:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=9244647&postcount=444

OP: I would not say this is news, bad or not ... it's just a rumor.

iDisk
Mar 31, 2010, 06:38 AM
Is that at all like the news you "broke" with such certainty a while back? :cool:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=9244647&postcount=444

OP: I would not say this is news, bad or not ... it's just a rumor.

You flatter me at times Jess.

Yes my statement was slighlty off about the notebook refreshes. Though my statements here are pretty accurate.

agaskew
Mar 31, 2010, 07:52 AM
Last night my dog barked three times and then ran around the room twice. This clearly translates to the 100% certain news that the Macbook Air will be replaced tomorrow by a thinner and lighter model called the Macbook Helium.

Or alternatively, your genius friend is trying to get you to buy an iPad. My good friend the Lead Genius watches the keynotes just like the rest of us, as he has no insider knowledge of what's coming or going.

gri
Mar 31, 2010, 09:02 AM
BA and Air France operated Concorde successfully along the lines of this business model, catering to the affluent and demanding cognoscenti (and the likes of Elton John sadly), and the once-in-a-lifetimers, whilst keeping the profit-making business and first-class passengers loyal to the airline by virtue of glamour by association

Sidetrack: my wife once wanted to fly back from London to the US with AA. Plane was defect, delayed, no other option etc. After lots of aggravation she and some fellows were finally rebooked onto another flight by AA, a BA flight, Gate 1 but to hurry as it would be leaving soon. On the way to the gate someone noted that it was strange that the flight time was only supposed to be 3 hours - turns out they were reebooked onto the Concorde (they had economy tickets only). Of course at the gate they were not let onto the plane. BA was calling the AA agents to ask if AA would be paying the few thousands bucks per person for the upgrade to first class concorde and - oh surprise - the cheapskates at AA didn't want to. She took a later, normal flight.

As for the MBA: The people in the stores don't know anything more than we do. I sincerely hope that the MBA survives as I am waiting for a real good one since it first came out. I would not be suprised though if it turns out that all MBP get the MBA form factor, maybe loose the optical drive (optional superdrive as external drive like now). May be one of the reason why it takes them longer to do get out with the upgrades and why the actual MBA was never really upgraded as this was the long term plan anyway. As for the optical drive - remember when Apple dropped the Floppy drive...?
A 15' MBP/A? Love it!

yg17
Mar 31, 2010, 10:11 AM
You flatter me at times Jess.

Yes my statement was slighlty off about the notebook refreshes. Though my statements here are pretty accurate.

Slightly off? You're 6 weeks off and counting.....

MichaelBarry
Mar 31, 2010, 10:55 AM
all they need to do is a few minor hardware updates and bring the price to within the reach of the average consumer and it's all downhill from there :rolleyes:

Scottsdale
Mar 31, 2010, 11:40 AM
Another senseless idiot Apple "Genius." All one has to do is consider the differences between the MBA and iPad to understand they're marketed to two completely different groups of people. Sure, some of the people who bought "dumped" original MBAs for $999 will probably buy an iPad next time, but that doesn't mean the iPad is a replacement for the MBA.

The MBA's form factor is the future of the MBPs and MBs. We have already seen it as the MBA was first to sport the unibody design, large trackpad, non-removable battery, black keyboard, and other design elements. I fully expect the MB and MBP to eventually drop the optical drive just as the MBA and to also focus on wireless tech rather than ports. The future MBs and MBPs will be thin and lightweight like the MBA but will do the full workload required of the MB and MBP buyers. Does it make any sense at all for Apple to EOL the MBA unless it's changing the MB and MBP into MBAs of sorts? The Mac computer, especially not the MBA, is threatened by the iPad at all at this time. In the long run, the iPad will change everything... but it's going to be many years before the iPad seriously challenges the Mac for workload tasks... for observation and entertainment, the iPad will succeed sooner rather than later.

The MBA is a luxury computer intended to be sold primarily to the business user/traveller/tech enthusiast willing to pay for the premium experience sold for ultraportability yet solid MB like computing that does real workload tasks. It's a premium device; technology always costs more when it provides a superior experience that requires less space or weight when on the go. Sure, the MBA user can view videos, read text, surf the web or check email from their MBA, but they also can do real work! Try typing a report on an iPad, and that's just the start of it... as the MBA has real computing capabilities.

The iPad is a consumer device being sold as an entertainment device that doesn't do any real computing. The iPad allows someone to view anything from text to video, observation only. We will call it "input." The MBA allows input and output of information. There is the main difference and it's gigantic. The MBA allows people to do and see while the iPad just allows people to see. That is the primary difference that is obvious and tells us just how different these two products are right now. Information and ideas flow out and in on the Mac while info only flows in on the iPad.

I see the MB being challenged more by the iPad than the MBA. Think about who buys the MB, consumers. Many of these people don't do anything other than watch videos, read email, and surf the web. These people will definitely consider the iPad as an alternative. Anyone that mainly observes on the MB will see the iPad as a better experience. Anyone that has to work on a MB, will see the MB as the only way to get real work accomplished. The keyboard is a gigantic difference and the differences get greater from there when considering computing performance and capabilities of the Mac over the iPad.

Honestly wdropo, you should know better than this. I am disappointed that you didn't challenge this "Genius" and come up a strong argument against what this "Genius" told you. You're far more likely to learn something about Apple's business model in the MBA section at MacRumors.com than you are from a "Genius."

I don't expect the MBA to go anywhere... and Apple didn't create the iPad to sell less MBAs to the luxury computer market. If anything, Apple created the iPad to further allow the MBA to succeed as a premium device. When there was no iPad, the MBA had to be temporarily repositioned (last June) to help take advantage of those who wanted an ultraportable device since Apple didn't have a netbook device. It came as an unexpected and unintentional repercussion for Apple when its first MBA failed miserably and it had to dump them for $999 just to get them out of inventory. Also, the netbook had taken off and Apple didn't have a device that was positioned at a lower price than the MB that offered just the "observation"/input not the ability to work on device like a MB (or "output"). Apple countered by reducing the price of the MBA in June 2009 to take advantage of those willing to pay a lot more for a device they could observe on and was ultraportable. These people don't fully utilize the MBA for its power, and some of them will be better off with the iPad... so it allows the MBA to go back into its traditional role as an ultraportable luxury item that allows MB like computing experience for the business pro willing to pay more money for a premium device. Apple will focus on the MBA being a luxury item that does input and output as a premium device for those on the go.

I expect MBA prices to rise slightly with its next update. Pricing could remain the same, but we actually want them to raise the prices which will mean Apple is repositioning the MBA back where it was intended to be - the premium luxury computing experience for those willing to pay more for a super portable computer that allows them to do observation like watching a movie, reading the web, checking email and also allows them to do daily workload from apps that they need to complete their work.

My iPad will not replace the work I do on my MBA. My iPad will be for input/observation of information (primarily entertainment), while my MBA will be both input and output of information (primarily work). I am just testing the iPad too. I don't know if I will like carrying two devices when I am traveling. The iPad might be better for a movie on a plane, while the MBA will be better for typing a proposal or writing a business/marketing plan. And let's not forget we will all need the MBA when doing serious web browsing as the iPad has no solution to provide Flash content whether it's just a navigational bar or a hulu.com movie for free vs. paying Apple for the same entertainment. There is some overlap, but the real person wanting to do work on their Apple product will be buying a MB/MBP/MBA and not an iPad.

-ADD- | -EDIT-
Observe = Input = from computer to brain
Action via KB/Mouse = Output = from brain to computer

I definitely could have clarified that better... sorry. It almost seems backwards, but it seemed backwards no matter which way I typed it. Rather than going back and fixing, I figured clarification here was best.

Alchematron
Mar 31, 2010, 02:24 PM
Not what I want to hear

gwsat
Mar 31, 2010, 05:03 PM
Another senseless idiot Apple "Genius." All one has to do is consider the differences between the MBA and iPad to understand they're marketed to two completely different groups of people. Sure, some of the people who bought "dumped" original MBAs for $999 will probably buy an iPad next time, but that doesn't mean the iPad is a replacement for the MBA.
I agree that some kid working behind the Genius Bar in an Apple store is, not to put too fine a point on it, hardly a reliable source for letting us know whether Apple will or will not drop the MBA from its laptop lineup. I am inclined to agree with Scottsdale's premise that Apple will probably upgrade and keep the MBA, for the many good reasons he stated in his post.

Despite the iPad's sex appeal it is woefully limited compared to the MBA, which, despite its weaknesses, is a real computer capable of doing real computer work. I just can't see the iPad filling that bill.

gglockner
Mar 31, 2010, 06:44 PM
Apple has other products that may not be best sellers but are part of the Apple lineup: Time Capsule, iPod classic and Apple TV come to mind. (And I own 2 of the 3). The fact that the MacBook Air is not a best seller doesn't mean that it's doomed. Of course, I'm helping improve the sales of the MacBook Air as I just placed my order for one this afternoon. (I'm fully aware 'not to worry' that updates are coming soon, but a number of factors meant it was time to upgrade).

jhgnag
Mar 31, 2010, 08:20 PM
Apple has other products that may not be best sellers but are part of the Apple lineup: Time Capsule, iPod classic and Apple TV come to mind. (And I own 2 of the 3). The fact that the MacBook Air is not a best seller doesn't mean that it's doomed. Of course, I'm helping improve the sales of the MacBook Air as I just placed my order for one this afternoon. (I'm fully aware 'not to worry' that updates are coming soon, but a number of factors meant it was time to upgrade).

What made you decide to order one now? it sounds like everyone thinks the updates are coming any day....

ZazenZach
Mar 31, 2010, 09:19 PM
he thinks and "strongly suspects" Apple will drop the MacBook Air upon successful rollout of the Ipad.

hate to tell you this but the iPad is not going to do well, so the MBA won't be effected by that. Yeah there might be a lot of hype about the iPad, but I know it won't sell.

That's not to say the MBA won't get cancelled, it's not doing as well as Apple projected (nor should it, it too is a pretty poor product for general consumption).

Mark my words

gglockner
Mar 31, 2010, 10:05 PM
What made you decide to order one now? it sounds like everyone thinks the updates are coming any day....

1) Need new laptop due to a busy travel schedule this spring.
2) My personal opinion is that Apple is not rushing to update Macs - they are going to focus marketing on the iPad for now.
3) My laptop is not my main machine, and I'm coming from a 3-year-old MacBook so last year's MBA is going to be more than adequate for my travel needs.
4) I need to get my old MacBook to Apple for a case repair before AppleCare expires on it next week. (Yes, I know they've been repairing cases out of warranty, but I don't want to push my luck as the machine gets really old).
5) My wife needs the old MacBook for a trip in May.

Not sure how interesting this is to the entire Internet, but there you go.

jhgnag
Mar 31, 2010, 10:16 PM
1) Need new laptop due to a busy travel schedule this spring.
2) My personal opinion is that Apple is not rushing to update Macs - they are going to focus marketing on the iPad for now.
3) My laptop is not my main machine, and I'm coming from a 3-year-old MacBook so last year's MBA is going to be more than adequate for my travel needs.
4) I need to get my old MacBook to Apple for a case repair before AppleCare expires on it next week. (Yes, I know they've been repairing cases out of warranty, but I don't want to push my luck as the machine gets really old).
5) My wife needs the old MacBook for a trip in May.

Not sure how interesting this is to the entire Internet, but there you go.


Thanks. I need to decide if I'm going to return the 2.13 MBA I received 12 days ago and wait for the update...or not. I really like this machine. I'm not having any issues with it at all, I'd obviously like the new one if and when it comes out. What's complicating matters is I'm traveling quite a bit right now. This sounds goofy, but being able to Skype with my 2 year old is a major benefit for me. I could wait it out a little longer...if I only know how much longer "a little longer is". I only want the MBA for personal use (I have to carry a Dell that is completely locked down by my employer).

This is going to drive me crazy all night. I need to make a decision.

Scottsdale
Mar 31, 2010, 10:31 PM
hate to tell you this but the iPad is not going to do well, so the MBA won't be effected by that. Yeah there might be a lot of hype about the iPad, but I know it won't sell.

That's not to say the MBA won't get cancelled, it's not doing as well as Apple projected (nor should it, it too is a pretty poor product for general consumption).

Mark my words

I completely disagree. The iPad will be a gigantic success. It will revolutionize the way the American family checks email, browses the web, and more. It will start with watching tv episodes anytime, people reading the daily paper on it, people getting magazine subscriptions the minute they are released, and kids will have all their textbooks on one iPad (carrying around 1.5 lb instead of 35 lb).

It will spread to videogames and people will realize it was the experience they should have had years ago. Then apps will drive demand further. It is the app store that Apple uses to sell iPod Touches and iPhones... but now will sell iPads. Then iPads sell iTunes video content including TV and movies. And the iPad will sell magazine subscriptions and bestselling books. The iPad will sell more apps... which will sell more iPads... and the cycle will continue.

The iPad will replace the MB user who needs an entertainment device not a computer. The iPad will replace textbooks and personal TVs. The iPad will replace the Kindle and Nook. The iPad will replace medical charts, the need to physically transfer an MRI, and will be used for training doctors of the exact instructions for replacing a heart.

Forget this nonsense that the iPad isn't going to sell well. It will probably sell only 10m in the first 12 months, 25m in the first 24 months, and 60m in three years. Mac sales numbers will be trumped by the iPad. The iPad is an exceptional device that will offer a great experience at a fair price that is a no brainer to people that would have bought a netbook, Kindle, and notebook all to check email on the run, read a book, or watch an iTunes movie in bed.

The MB will probably be the Mac to suffer the most in the long run. The iPod Touch will probably lose some sales too... but then Apple will be making double the money and offering 4x the video display experience driving more sales of more iTunes video content... selling more iPads... selling more apps... selling more iPads... selling more iBooks... selling more iPads... selling more and more and more... and selling more Macs too... which in turn will sell more Macs to businesses... and will sell more iPhones... and an AppleTV, AirPort Extreme, followed by Apple Cinema Displays... and then it will even sell Apple Television Sets... with Internet, Apps, TV subscriptions and all BUILT IN!

I would bet that Apple makes more money selling an iPad than a MB... not just in the initial sale but all of the follow up sales of iPad content from iTunes, iBooks, and App Store. We are at the start of a revolution that will make the iPod relevance seem a distant memory not worth mentioning in the history of Apple, Inc.

Raje
Mar 31, 2010, 10:35 PM
Thanks. I need to decide if I'm going to return the 2.13 MBA I received 12 days ago and wait for the update...or not. I really like this machine. I'm not having any issues with it at all, I'd obviously like the new one if and when it comes out. What's complicating matters is I'm traveling quite a bit right now. This sounds goofy, but being able to Skype with my 2 year old is a major benefit for me. I could wait it out a little longer...if I only know how much longer "a little longer is". I only want the MBA for personal use (I have to carry a Dell that is completely locked down by my employer).

This is going to drive me crazy all night. I need to make a decision.

It sounds like you are satisfied and it does what you need it to do, so keep it. When a new MBA comes out you will still have a nice machine and it won't do anything worse than it has been.

jhgnag
Mar 31, 2010, 10:39 PM
It sounds like you are satisfied and it does what you need it to do, so keep it. When a new MBA comes out you will still have a nice machine and it won't do anything worse than it has been.

Sure enough, the new one will be announced next Tuesday with 4GB of RAM, a 10 hour battery, and weigh 2 lbs. :)

Also, any input on the hinges? I'm reading that there are a lot of issues with them. They seem a little loose. Can they be adjusted?

gwsat
Apr 1, 2010, 08:14 AM
I completely disagree. The iPad will be a gigantic success. It will revolutionize the way the American family checks email, browses the web, and more. It will start with watching tv episodes anytime, people reading the daily paper on it, people getting magazine subscriptions the minute they are released, and kids will have all their textbooks on one iPad (carrying around 1.5 lb instead of 35 lb).
Scottsdale -- Although my crystal ball is far too clouded to permit me to make a prediction about the iPad's sales numbers, I suspect that your prediction is likely closer to being right than that of the poster who said the iPad would fall on its face.

As noted in earlier posts, I am not going to be buying an iPad. That doesn't mean much, though. I am a computer nerd and have been a computer nerd for more than 25 years. Thus, I want a real computer for real work. Despite all the neat things the iPad will be able to do its lack of a real keyboard and limited ability to run applications keep me from being interested in it.

Despite being personally underwhelmed by the iPad, I see its potential. It should have great appeal for consumers who just want to play games, watch movies, read books, or check email -- or just want to own Apple's latest, greatest, piece of Gee Whiz! hardware.

gri
Apr 1, 2010, 09:13 AM
Scottsdale -- Although my crystal ball is far too clouded to permit me to make a prediction about the iPad's sales numbers, I suspect that your prediction is likely closer to being right than that of the poster who said the iPad would fall on its face.

As noted in earlier posts, I am not going to be buying an iPad. That doesn't mean much, though. I am a computer nerd and have been a computer nerd for more than 25 years. Thus, I want a real computer for real work. Despite all the neat things the iPad will be able to do its lack of a real keyboard and limited ability to run applications keep me from being interested in it.

Despite being personally underwhelmed by the iPad, I see its potential. It should have great appeal for consumers who just want to play games, watch movies, read books, or check email -- or just want to own Apple's latest, greatest, piece of Gee Whiz! hardware.

Good summary, I second that completely. See the NYT review. I need the MBA (which I am still waiting for to be upgraded) to have a lightweight computer, which I can use to modify and give Keynote presentations and to write on texts (papers, grants etc.). While Keynote runs on the iPad I am not sure how I would modify it easily (and I don't mean swapping slides around) as all my other slides & data probably would not be on the device (does it have a home folder?). And typing on the keyboard...? No.

gwsat
Apr 1, 2010, 09:41 AM
Good summary, I second that completely. See the NYT review. I need the MBA (which I am still waiting for to be upgraded) to have a lightweight computer, which I can use to modify and give Keynote presentations and to write on texts (papers, grants etc.). While Keynote runs on the iPad I am not sure how I would modify it easily (and I don't mean swapping slides around) as all my other slides & data probably would not be on the device (does it have a home folder?). And typing on the keyboard...? No.
While looking for the NYT review, i found a WSJ technology blog that discusses the iPad at length. (http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2010/04/01/ipad-review-roundup-its-beautiful-but-is-it-a-game-changer/) Note that it also contains links to reviews, including a PC Magazine review that the blogger describes as "in depth."

iMacThere4Iam
Apr 1, 2010, 10:58 AM
I completely agree with the OPs who say the MBA is the future form factor of all the Mac laptops, especially as consumers get used to the thinness of the iPad. More and more people will be using the iPad as it evolves for entertainment and lighter functions, but will still have a need for a "real" computer for the more pressing work, and will appreciate the lighter weight, unibody construction, and a design with no excess.

DVDs are definitely an endangered species, and the future is all about streaming and the "cloud." Apple may drop the "Air" name, but future MBPs (not the refreshed, but next gen) will certainly carry on the MBA form. Or drop the "Pro," in favor of the "Air" moniker, and offer three sizes.

Even though it seems like the Air is getting squeezed out by the 13" MBP and the iPad, there is a segment of the market (i.e. ME) that would love to see the Air positioned as a premium laptop, with a large capacity SSD and serious processor and RAM.

gwsat
Apr 1, 2010, 11:37 AM
Even though it seems like the Air is getting squeezed out by the 13" MBP and the iPad, there is a segment of the market (i.e. ME) that would love to see the Air positioned as a premium laptop, with a large capacity SSD and serious processor and RAM.
I agree. I would pay what it took to buy one if Apple significantly upgraded the MBA, particularly if the upgrade included slots for RAM modules and a large SSD drive.

bbotte
Apr 1, 2010, 11:40 AM
I could care less, I have my 2 revision Bs, they are in my possession, Apple cannot take them away, Mwahahahahahaha.

Scottsdale
Apr 1, 2010, 03:14 PM
I agree. I would pay what it took to buy one if Apple significantly upgraded the MBA, particularly if the upgrade included slots for RAM modules and a large SSD drive.

I don't think a "large" SSD drive will fit in the MBA unless you mean 256 GB 1.8" SSD. A 2.5" "standard" drive will not fit without thickening up the MBA which Jobs would never approve.

I would pay "whatever it takes" to get the MBA I truly want too. $3k, $4k, $5k... sure depending on the components.

Who am I kidding, we're not going to get the MBA we truly want... it's un-Apple; Apple upgrades one or two features with every revision ensuring idiots like me will upgrade with every revision, however small. I would be ecstatic just to get 4 GB of RAM, USB 3.0, and a glass trackpad. That would do everything I need and want in all honesty.

To really be relevant for the next two years all the MBA needs is 4 GB of RAM and USB 3.0. Even the glass trackpad is a want not need. USB 3.0 will be important for fast computing with super fast backups. The RAM is critical for obvious reasons.

gwsat
Apr 1, 2010, 04:36 PM
I don't think a "large" SSD drive will fit in the MBA unless you mean 256 GB 1.8" SSD. A 2.5" "standard" drive will not fit without thickening up the MBA which Jobs would never approve.
A 256Gb SSD was what I had in mind when I said "large." I suspect that you are right in your prediction that the next version of the MBA will come with 4Gb of hardwired RAM. That scares me because i am not certain that I could run Fusion in Unity mode and multiple Windows apps. It may well be possible but I just don't know.

darngooddesign
Apr 1, 2010, 05:10 PM
Standard SSD on all models? I dare to dream! :)
I doubt there would be a price difference between a standard SSD and a SSD option. Just buy the SSD version.

southnc
Apr 1, 2010, 07:34 PM
I completely disagree. The iPad will be a gigantic success. It will revolutionize the way the American family checks email, browses the web, and more. It will start with watching tv episodes anytime, people reading the daily paper on it, people getting magazine subscriptions the minute they are released, and kids will have all their textbooks on one iPad (carrying around 1.5 lb instead of 35 lb).

It will spread to videogames and people will realize it was the experience they should have had years ago. Then apps will drive demand further. It is the app store that Apple uses to sell iPod Touches and iPhones... but now will sell iPads. Then iPads sell iTunes video content including TV and movies. And the iPad will sell magazine subscriptions and bestselling books. The iPad will sell more apps... which will sell more iPads... and the cycle will continue.

The iPad will replace the MB user who needs an entertainment device not a computer. The iPad will replace textbooks and personal TVs. The iPad will replace the Kindle and Nook. The iPad will replace medical charts, the need to physically transfer an MRI, and will be used for training doctors of the exact instructions for replacing a heart.

Forget this nonsense that the iPad isn't going to sell well. It will probably sell only 10m in the first 12 months, 25m in the first 24 months, and 60m in three years. Mac sales numbers will be trumped by the iPad. The iPad is an exceptional device that will offer a great experience at a fair price that is a no brainer to people that would have bought a netbook, Kindle, and notebook all to check email on the run, read a book, or watch an iTunes movie in bed.

The MB will probably be the Mac to suffer the most in the long run. The iPod Touch will probably lose some sales too... but then Apple will be making double the money and offering 4x the video display experience driving more sales of more iTunes video content... selling more iPads... selling more apps... selling more iPads... selling more iBooks... selling more iPads... selling more and more and more... and selling more Macs too... which in turn will sell more Macs to businesses... and will sell more iPhones... and an AppleTV, AirPort Extreme, followed by Apple Cinema Displays... and then it will even sell Apple Television Sets... with Internet, Apps, TV subscriptions and all BUILT IN!

I would bet that Apple makes more money selling an iPad than a MB... not just in the initial sale but all of the follow up sales of iPad content from iTunes, iBooks, and App Store. We are at the start of a revolution that will make the iPod relevance seem a distant memory not worth mentioning in the history of Apple, Inc.
I totally disagree and it's not just the iPad - the whole Tablet idea makes no sense to me.

First, how are you going to type on that thing? You certainly cannot do it with two hands, whilst holding it - unless you have very big hands. So, you'll have lay it flat and type - no way would anyone do that! I'm willing to bet you could easily type into the iPhone much faster while holding it in your hand(s). if you buy the accessory keypad, are you going to carry that too?

As far as reading books is concerned - in addition to a non-ideal display - do you really think someone is going to hold that 2 lb+ thing for hours on end to read??? Atleast the Kindle is ultra-light and can be held in one hand for a long period of time comfortably. Your arm will go numb if your try it with the iPad. Or your eyes will go blurry, because of the back-lit LED display.

For movies, are you going to really hold the iPad in your hand for hours. Or even prop it up on your lap for that long? I'd much rather view it on a 16:9 wide-screen laptop - not that 4:3 iPad.

And, of course, we've already addressed the lacking browser. And what about protecting the display? You'll probably have to buy something and add even more weight.

A laptop has it all over a tablet computer. The whole tablet concept is flawed, except for maybe games. And, I'm not even sure of that.

You could also doodle on a tablet - but, they now make pens that actually can record doodling on your own paper and rehash it back to any personal computer.

The whole tablet concept is just a fad, imo, as we've seen in the past. The MBA is many times better. With it's SSD, boot-up is just 30 seconds away. I think anybody would gladly wait that long for a much better experience than the iPad will ever deliver.

Scottsdale
Apr 1, 2010, 08:00 PM
I totally disagree and it's not just the iPad - the whole Tablet idea makes no sense to me.

First, how are you going to type on that thing? You certainly cannot do it with two hands, whilst holding it - unless you have very big hands. So, you'll have lay it flat and type - no way would anyone do that! I'm willing to bet you could easily type into the iPhone much faster while holding it in your hand(s). if you buy the accessory keypad, are you going to carry that too?

As far as reading books is concerned - in addition to a non-ideal display - do you really think someone is going to hold that 2 lb+ thing for hours on end to read??? Atleast the Kindle is ultra-light and can be held in one hand for a long period of time comfortably. Your arm will go numb if your try it with the iPad. Or your eyes will go blurry, because of the back-lit LED display.

And, of course, we've already addressed the lacking browser. And what about protecting the display? You'll probably have to buy something and add even more weight.

A laptop has it all over a tablet computer. The whole tablet concept is flawed, except for maybe games. And, I'm not even sure of that.

You could also doodle on a tablet - but, they now make pens that actually can record doodling on your own paper and rehash it back to any personal computer.

The whole tablet concept is just a fad, imo, as we've seen in the past. The MBA is many times better. With it's SSD, boot-up is just 30 seconds away. I think anybody would gladly wait that long for a much better experience than the iPad will ever deliver.

Let's please revisit this at appropriate time intervals... say 12, 24, 36 months... we will certainly see by then who's correct. I stick by my predictions, fully.

The iPad will get innovative apps that will sell more and more apps. The point isn't about typing as I said before... people type fine with an iPhone, but that's not the focus of the iPad... it's OBSERVATION. There is no need for typing for about 90% of what the average consumer does on their home computer... observation of Internet, quick email, videos, graphic content, newspapers, books, and most importantly apps which will lead more sales. I will be shocked if Apple can keep up with demand.

I fully expect a complete revolution in what people expect from their home/personal computing device. The vast majority don't need a full-fledged computer, and the iPad will do everything people truly want it to do successfully.

I only see long-term success for the iPad. I see short-term fears blown away by innovation and a well-rounded set of observation capable tasks the iPad will dominate at. We have seen this before with Apple. The only thing that can possibly slow the iPad down is if there is a true competing product like android that also offers an app store. The innovation in apps is why the iPad will keep selling and be found to be more and more and more useful and desired by all of those who don't have one. Those that do have one will have one for themselves then one for the family, then one for each of the kids... and kids will have an instant textbook replacement costing schools less than textbooks. Add with that all of the other capabilities and it's far more portable and capable as a personal learning tool than a computer.

I just don't see the revolution ending until every family has an iPad or two. Then Apple will use its success at the adding new tech with updates that should have always been there driving more sales and more sales. We have seen it before, but with the iPhone Apple was locked down to AT&T. And some people weren't willing to switch carriers for a phone or they like simple phones and need another device. With the iPad, nobody will have an excuse not to buy. If they have the money, they will buy. Add to that the business users and innovative development... and watch the way everyone does everything changes. It will go beyond what any one of us could possibly imagine.

Let's come back right here for review... and we will do a little poll and see who was closer in predicting the future of the iPad.

jhgnag
Apr 1, 2010, 08:34 PM
I totally disagree and it's not just the iPad - the whole Tablet idea makes no sense to me.

First, how are you going to type on that thing? You certainly cannot do it with two hands, whilst holding it - unless you have very big hands. So, you'll have lay it flat and type - no way would anyone do that! I'm willing to bet you could easily type into the iPhone much faster while holding it in your hand(s). if you buy the accessory keypad, are you going to carry that too?

As far as reading books is concerned - in addition to a non-ideal display - do you really think someone is going to hold that 2 lb+ thing for hours on end to read??? Atleast the Kindle is ultra-light and can be held in one hand for a long period of time comfortably. Your arm will go numb if your try it with the iPad. Or your eyes will go blurry, because of the back-lit LED display.

For movies, are you going to really hold the iPad in your hand for hours. Or even prop it up on your lap for that long? I'd much rather view it on a 16:9 wide-screen laptop - not that 4:3 iPad.

And, of course, we've already addressed the lacking browser. And what about protecting the display? You'll probably have to buy something and add even more weight.

A laptop has it all over a tablet computer. The whole tablet concept is flawed, except for maybe games. And, I'm not even sure of that.

You could also doodle on a tablet - but, they now make pens that actually can record doodling on your own paper and rehash it back to any personal computer.

The whole tablet concept is just a fad, imo, as we've seen in the past. The MBA is many times better. With it's SSD, boot-up is just 30 seconds away. I think anybody would gladly wait that long for a much better experience than the iPad will ever deliver.

I tend to agree with you...for me personally. I want the keyboard and I don't want to hold it up to a watch a movie. I see benefit for the e-book, but as you mentioned, I think the Kindle would be easier on my eyes if I really wanted that. Also, isn't the next iTunes going to offer e-books as well? I would have considered the iPad if it had a webcam. I want a webcam to Skype with my 2 year old when I'm traveling.

That said, my wife wants an iPad like nobody's business. I told see the reaction over the next few weeks, and I'm sure she'll end up with a 3G.

zunairryk
Apr 2, 2010, 02:24 AM
i use MBA as my primary laptop and its the best laptop i have ever owned. Its fast and everything works just fine. I Bought a 15" macbook pro, but sold it because it was too big and heavy for me. I carry my macbook air all the time, and i dont even feel that im carrying a laptop with a charger on me.

I don't think i'm gonna upgrade to next revision, unless apple introduce something magical LOL.

Well the main things iam looking for are:
1) Glass trackpad
2) Better placement of the heat vent. That's the only problem i have with my macbook air. If i put the air on bed and watch youtube videos, it will get really hot, which will slow the laptop down.
3) Faster processor. It's not that big of a deal, but if i wanna upgrade i would definitely like a little bit faster processor.
4) Maybe 4gb of ram.
5) A little bit better battery life, perhaps?

Now, that the ipad is coming out, im not sure if i should buy it or not. It definitely can NOT replace my macbook air, but i would love to use all those apps on it, like iwork and other third party apps. Like i said, i have no problem with my macbook air, and i carry it on me everyday, so im not sure what good ipad is going to do lol.

So here's a question for those, who use MBA as their primary machine. Im pretty sure 99.9% of you won't be getting rid of this awesome computer to replace with the ipad, but are you going to buy an ipad as an additional device? and what are you planning to do with it, and think it will be better or funner on the ipad.

I mean browsing on the couch and all that stuff sounds fun on the ipad, but i do the samething on my macbook air with no problems lol. I kinda want the ipad, bc it looks cool and because of all the apps and such, but still can't justify spending $500 for something that i dont need at all...

Decisions..decisions.. decisions....

:apple:

JasG
Apr 2, 2010, 08:50 AM
So here's a question for those, who use MBA as their primary machine. Im pretty sure 99.9% of you won't be getting rid of this awesome computer to replace with the ipad, but are you going to buy an ipad as an additional device? and what are you planning to do with it, and think it will be better or funner on the ipad.



I am a writer. My MBA is my only machine. I love it. The iPad won't replace it for people who put words into their computer more than they take words and images out. For those who live electronically, it is designed to be a computer/electronic accessory/appendage. You can't print from it, at least not out of the box, or use a mouse.

I think it will be a huge success, but not (yet, at least) for writers. Few are going to want to type all day on either the keyboard or an external keyboard without a mouse.

I would love the weight, but for now three pounds will have to do. As for the future of the MBA I have my hopes but can't really say. Those who suggest that a MBP without the optical drive might be the new AIR could well be on to something.

peterho
Apr 2, 2010, 10:54 AM
This is the most stupid thing I have ever heard! Dropping MBA for iPad? Give me a break......

skate71290
Apr 2, 2010, 12:37 PM
5) A little bit battery bettery life, perhaps?


Made my day :)

Scottsdale
Apr 2, 2010, 12:44 PM
So here's a question for those, who use MBA as their primary machine. Im pretty sure 99.9% of you won't be getting rid of this awesome computer to replace with the ipad, but are you going to buy an ipad as an additional device? and what are you planning to do with it, and think it will be better or funner on the ipad.



I am a writer. My MBA is my only machine. I love it. The iPad won't replace it for people who put words into their computer more than they take words and images out. For those who live electronically, it is designed to be a computer/electronic accessory/appendage. You can't print from it, at least not out of the box, or use a mouse.

I think it will be a huge success, but not (yet, at least) for writers. Few are going to want to type all day on either the keyboard or an external keyboard without a mouse.

I would love the weight, but for now three pounds will have to do. As for the future of the MBA I have my hopes but can't really say. Those who suggest that a MBP without the optical drive might be the new AIR could well be on to something.


No, I will not be getting rid of my MBA for an iPad. I will be adding an iPad to my tools. I write a lot too, and I wouldn't ever want to give up an MBA for an iPad - that's not what an iPad is for anyways.

When I say the iPad will be successful it's not any indication that I believe the MBA will not be more successful than it has been in the past, as 4 GB of RAM and sales of the MBA should improve greatly. Like I said before, the common consumer who buys a MacBook might buy an iPad instead eventually... but an MBA buyer isn't going to replace it with an iPad, they're going to add the iPad to their collection of Apple products they use - probably MBA, iPhone, iPod, and iPad.

This is the most stupid thing I have ever heard! Dropping MBA for iPad? Give me a break......

Agreed.

JasG
Apr 2, 2010, 02:16 PM
No, I will not be getting rid of my MBA for an iPad. I will be adding an iPad to my tools. I write a lot too, and I wouldn't ever want to give up an MBA for an iPad - that's not what an iPad is for anyways.

When I say the iPad will be successful it's not any indication that I believe the MBA will not be more successful than it has been in the past, as 4 GB of RAM and sales of the MBA should improve greatly. Like I said before, the common consumer who buys a MacBook might buy an iPad instead eventually... but an MBA buyer isn't going to replace it with an iPad, they're going to add the iPad to their collection of Apple products they use - probably MBA, iPhone, iPod, and iPad.



Agreed. That's not what an iPad is for--and IT IS most certainly what the MBA for. For me it remains the best available. For writers, there is really nothing comparable. The Thinkpad has a better keyboard (though I admit that keyboard ratings are wholly subjective, better for me, I should say) but it isn't better enough that makes the terrible sacrifice of living with Windows.

Long live a three pound or lighter MB with a full size keyboard and screen.

Scottsdale
Apr 2, 2010, 02:39 PM
Agreed. That's not what an iPad is for--and IT IS most certainly what the MBA for. For me it remains the best available. For writers, there is really nothing comparable. The Thinkpad has a better keyboard (though I admit that keyboard ratings are wholly subjective, better for me, I should say) but it isn't better enough that makes the terrible sacrifice of living with Windows.

Long live a three pound or lighter MB with a full size keyboard and screen.

Absolutely, the MBA is incredibly PERFECT for us writers. I cannot even imagine writing at a desk anymore... I write (type) everywhere from the bed to desk to couch to park. Writing on the MBA is sure JOY. I will keep my MBA for writing even if I move on to a different computer one day for alternative tasks. But if Apple plays its cards right, there is no reason to leave the MBA for computing... it just needs some damned RAM, if nothing else.

gwsat
Apr 2, 2010, 02:42 PM
Long live a three pound or lighter MB with a full size keyboard and screen.
Amen! And the last I knew, the MBA was the only Macbook that filled that bill.

BadCatOS
Apr 2, 2010, 03:29 PM
I used to work at the Apple Store. Nobody at the retail level knows anything about anything until Cupertino deems they are privileged to know, which is right before a release or they find out when everybody else finds out. Many times, I found out there were new products by reading apple.com. The only people in the retail sector that know anything are the regional managers. Stop thinking your $15/hr genius knows anything. He or she knows jack squat.

Totalshock
Apr 2, 2010, 07:14 PM
I think it will be a huge success, but not (yet, at least) for writers. Few are going to want to type all day on either the keyboard or an external keyboard without a mouse.


Also a writer, and I tend to agree with you on all your points. But to offer a counter-point -- a blogger associate of mine (runs three professional blogs, full time business for him) is about as jazzed about the iPad as you can get. He sees it as a 1.5-pound replacement for his 15-inch MacBook Pro when he's on the road covering conferences, which we both do a lot. Sure, the MacBook will still come with him, but it'll stay in the hotel room to do video editing and the like after the day is done. He's planning on getting the keyboard dock to take notes.

I'm interested in seeing how it'll work for him. I'm somewhat dubious.

There are clear pluses: weight, size, battery life.

But I can't see the iPad, precariously balanced atop a keyboard dock, sitting in my lap and allowing me to take full notes during a session or an interview. And I definitely can't see the touch-screen doing the job when I'm wanting to take verbatim notes.

And there are other major tradeoffs -- the lack of any semblance of real multitasking means I have to constantly switch apps from Notes/Pages to a Twitter client or browser when I want to livetweet? No way of keeping an eye on part of my screen watching crowd reaction via Twitter while taking notes in a word processor on the other part of the screen?

I don't doubt there are a lot of workflows for which the iPad will be truly revolutionary -- I know a lot of medical facility IT types are giving it a long look, for example -- but I'm not yet convinced it fits in my workflow the way a full-size laptop, ultraportable or even a netbook does.

JasG
Apr 2, 2010, 08:18 PM
Amen! And the last I knew, the MBA was the only Macbook that filled that bill.

Absolutely. The pound and a half difference between the MBA and the MBP is tremendous, at least for my 54 year old back walking several miles a day. And I know: I carried the latter until last summer when I got smart and bought the Air.

JasG
Apr 2, 2010, 08:28 PM
Also a writer, and I tend to agree with you on all your points. But to offer a counter-point -- a blogger associate of mine (runs three professional blogs, full time business for him) is about as jazzed about the iPad as you can get. He sees it as a 1.5-pound replacement for his 15-inch MacBook Pro when he's on the road covering conferences, which we both do a lot. Sure, the MacBook will still come with him, but it'll stay in the hotel room to do video editing and the like after the day is done. He's planning on getting the keyboard dock to take notes.

I'm interested in seeing how it'll work for him. I'm somewhat dubious.

There are clear pluses: weight, size, battery life.

But I can't see the iPad, precariously balanced atop a keyboard dock, sitting in my lap and allowing me to take full notes during a session or an interview. And I definitely can't see the touch-screen doing the job when I'm wanting to take verbatim notes.

And there are other major tradeoffs -- the lack of any semblance of real multitasking means I have to constantly switch apps from Notes/Pages to a Twitter client or browser when I want to livetweet? No way of keeping an eye on part of my screen watching crowd reaction via Twitter while taking notes in a word processor on the other part of the screen?

I don't doubt there are a lot of workflows for which the iPad will be truly revolutionary -- I know a lot of medical facility IT types are giving it a long look, for example -- but I'm not yet convinced it fits in my workflow the way a full-size laptop, ultraportable or even a netbook does.

Very thoughtful. And somewhat unusual for a Mac Forum enthusiast in that you realize that what might not work for one person might be exactly what another person needs. When I was younger (my first laptop was a Tandy 102, then a Toshiba 3100 (gas plasma display, ten or fifteen pounds, AC only, anyone old enough to remember those machines) I myself was much more partisan; I would have said: Give me my Thinkpad keyboard or my Powerbook or my AIR, or my life. But today I just want whatever works for me, whatever works best for me. And if it turns out that I am wrong, or that emerging iPad hardware or simply new apps render me wrong, and the iPad and an on screen keyboard or even external keyboard together weighing two pounds make a great typing and word processing experience, I'll buy one in a day. Why not? Until then I wait and listen and watch, and do my work on my AIR. Thanks for your thoughts, everyone.

gwsat
Apr 2, 2010, 09:31 PM
Absolutely. The pound and a half difference between the MBA and the MBP is tremendous, at least for my 54 year old back walking several miles a day. And I know: I carried the latter until last summer when I got smart and bought the Air.
Absolutely! The older you get the more important that 1.5 pounds saved by having an MBA instead of a 13 inch MBP is going to seem. Not to put too fine a point on it, that weight savings would mean even more to my aging body than it does to yours. That was why I eliminated the 13 inch MBP from consideration when I was researching 13 inch laptops. The 13 inch MBP's 4.5 pounds I would have to lug around seemed just too close to the 6.6 pounds weight of the 17 inch MBP I was already lugging.

Back to the iPad for a moment. Like you, it seems to me that the iPad has limited utility but, also like you, if further developments show that it does well the things I need done well, I will buy one without hesitation. In the meantime, I'm waiting for the MBA to be refreshed.

Scottsdale
Apr 2, 2010, 11:52 PM
Absolutely! The older you get the more important that 1.5 pounds saved by having an MBA instead of a 13 inch MBP is going to seem. Not to put too fine a point on it, that weight savings would mean even more to my aging body than it does to yours. That was why I eliminated the 13 inch MBP from consideration when I was researching 13 inch laptops. The 13 inch MBP's 4.5 pounds I would have to lug around seemed just too close to the 6.6 pounds weight of the 17 inch MBP I was already lugging.

Back to the iPad for a moment. Like you, it seems to me that the iPad has limited utility but, also like you, if further developments show that it does well the things I need done well, I will buy one without hesitation. In the meantime, I'm waiting for the MBA to be refreshed.

Or the weight savings means you could carry both an MBA and an iPad OR just a 13" MBP. I would prefer just one product unless this is the consideration. With both an MBA and an iPad we could use the one that fits us best for the situation at a site... if twittering, the iPad would work best... if typing a report for a client, the MBA would work best.

Apps will drive demand for the iPad. People will think the iPad isn't really for them initially, until they see/read/hear of a friend who has an iPad with an app that does... and they will instantly change their mind. Apple's real win with the iPad is the starting price. At $499, a lot of people will give it a real chance.

potdude
Apr 3, 2010, 07:31 AM
I have not read all of the posts on this thread, but I know enough that I know that a low level employee of a company, who may be known as a "genius" to their customers, is not a genius in real life or they'd have higher paying jobs.

If a low level Apple Store "Genius" gives you their opinion, that is all it is, and it shouldn't be taken for a grain of salt. These "Geniuses" aren't in the board room meetings and have no idea what is really going on within the company.

gwsat
Apr 3, 2010, 08:47 AM
Or the weight savings means you could carry both an MBA and an iPad OR just a 13" MBP. I would prefer just one product unless this is the consideration. With both an MBA and an iPad we could use the one that fits us best for the situation at a site... if twittering, the iPad would work best... if typing a report for a client, the MBA would work best.

Apps will drive demand for the iPad. People will think the iPad isn't really for them initially, until they see/read/hear of a friend who has an iPad with an app that does... and they will instantly change their mind. Apple's real win with the iPad is the starting price. At $499, a lot of people will give it a real chance.
Your idea of carrying both an MBA and an iPad so you can use the one that works for the job at hand makes sense. It hadn't occurred to me that the combined weight of the two is the same as that of a single 13 inch MBP. For reasons stated in earlier posts, I am not interested in an iPad at the moment but, depending on future developments, that could change. The iPad's inability to multitask, coupled with the challenge of typing on one are difficulties I just can't overcome right now. Nevertheless, the iPad's $499 is, literally, exponentially cheaper than a Macbook, which goes for $999.

gglockner
Apr 3, 2010, 01:02 PM
Your idea of carrying both an MBA and an iPad so you can use the one that works for the job at hand makes sense. It hadn't occurred to me that the combined weight of the two is the same as that of a single 13 inch MBP.... Nevertheless, the iPad's $499 is, literally, exponentially cheaper than a Macbook, which goes for $999.

As a mathematician, I need to nitpick: the iPad is linearly cheaper than a MacBook. Or let's just say that it's about half the cost...

That said, I'm not sure I want to carry an iPad and a MBA. For me, the reason that I (just) purchased a MacBook Air is to reduce the weight of things I need to carry. I'm having a very hard time understanding what an iPad gives me when I already carry a MacBook Air and an iPhone.

While I'm on this tangent, I'm considering getting an iPad for my wife to replace her Kindle. However, the Kindle 2 is much smaller than an iPad, so it fits great in her purse. An iPad would not.

gwsat
Apr 3, 2010, 01:30 PM
As a mathematician, I need to nitpick: the iPad is linearly cheaper than a MacBook. Or let's just say that it's about half the cost...

That said, I'm not sure I want to carry an iPad and a MBA. For me, the reason that I (just) purchased a MacBook Air is to reduce the weight of things I need to carry. I'm having a very hard time understanding what an iPad gives me when I already carry a MacBook Air and an iPhone.

While I'm on this tangent, I'm considering getting an iPad for my wife to replace her Kindle. However, the Kindle 2 is much smaller than an iPad, so it fits great in her purse. An iPad would not.
First, I defer to your expertise as a mathematician. After seeing your correction, I now realize that I inaccurately said that the iPad was "exponentially cheaper than the 13 inch MBP." It isn't, although I believe I could have correctly said that the 13 inch MBP is exponentially more expensive than the iPad.

I wouldn't ever want to carry both a MBA and an iPad at the same time, mostly because, for the moment at least, I don't want to carry an iPad at all. As noted in earlier posts, I really want a MBA if Apple will just up the RAM enough to allow me to conveniently run OS X and Windows apps concurrently.

godslabrat
Apr 3, 2010, 02:46 PM
I think it's obvious that the iPad is the most revolutionary device ever, and since its capabilities are unlimited, Apple will not only drop their MBA, but also the iMac and MBP, and sell only iPads.

zunairryk
Apr 3, 2010, 05:27 PM
Made my day :)

LOL oops :o

gglockner
Apr 3, 2010, 06:21 PM
I really want a MBA if Apple will just up the RAM enough to allow me to conveniently run OS X and Windows apps concurrently.

I agree that 2GB is really not enough RAM to virtualize Windows, particularly Windows 7. However, as a new owner of an SSD MacBook Air, it boots so incredibly fast that a dual-boot (aka Boot Camp) install could be a viable alternative.

I would prefer to have a 4GB MBA but I got to the point where I couldn't wait any longer for the new models to be released. You can thank me for hastening that day. :p

gwsat
Apr 3, 2010, 09:36 PM
I agree that 2GB is really not enough RAM to virtualize Windows, particularly Windows 7. However, as a new owner of an SSD MacBook Air, it boots so incredibly fast that a dual-boot (aka Boot Camp) install could be a viable alternative.

I would prefer to have a 4GB MBA but I got to the point where I couldn't wait any longer for the new models to be released. You can thank me for hastening that day. :p
When I first got my MBP, 2 years ago, I ran Windows in Boot Camp at first and was driven crazy by it. Shifting to Fusion was a big improvement, although Windows apps running in a Fusion virtual machine with only 1Gb of RAM were slow and, often, unstable. Still, that beat Boot Camp. I am sure that being able to boot from a SSD would speed up shifting to Windows from OS X and back again but I don't want to go that route. I just hope that 4Gb of RAM will be enough if, as I suspect, that's the only choice Apple gives us in the next MBA upgrade.

gglockner
Apr 3, 2010, 11:10 PM
Don't forget that if you're planning to work when you have internet access, you can setup Windows on another machine (either virtualized or on a dedicated box), then access that via Remote Desktop. If you only need it occasionally, you could even consider running a Windows box on the cloud, like with Amazon S3 or with GoGrid. But this won't work if you don't have reliable high-speed network access.

gwsat
Apr 4, 2010, 09:10 AM
Don't forget that if you're planning to work when you have internet access, you can setup Windows on another machine (either virtualized or on a dedicated box), then access that via Remote Desktop. If you only need it occasionally, you could even consider running a Windows box on the cloud, like with Amazon S3 or with GoGrid. But this won't work if you don't have reliable high-speed network access.
Although what you suggest would no doubt work, I have become spoiled by being able to run Fusion in Unity mode, which allows me to keep several Windows apps and several OS X apps open on the OS X desktop at all times. That way I can :apple: - tab from any one of them to any other. The only way I could replicate this experience on a Macbook Air would be for the MBA to have enough RAM to let me do it. Too bad but there it is.

Remote Desktop works but even with a reliable network, which I have, it is slow. For that reason I don't use it any more and won't.

The foregoing not withstanding, I appreciated your thoughtful suggestions.

Scottsdale
Apr 4, 2010, 06:56 PM
Don't forget that if you're planning to work when you have internet access, you can setup Windows on another machine (either virtualized or on a dedicated box), then access that via Remote Desktop. If you only need it occasionally, you could even consider running a Windows box on the cloud, like with Amazon S3 or with GoGrid. But this won't work if you don't have reliable high-speed network access.

Nice idea... but probably not realistic for most. At one point I didn't want to waste my MBA's drive space with Windows, so I took two computers with me on a business trip. I needed Windows for a client's app. It was the last time I ever carried two computers anywhere, as it eliminated the whole purpose of the MBA. I then installed Windows 7 in Boot Camp.

I really love Windows 7 on my MBA, but I don't want to deny myself OS X while running it. The MBA simply doesn't do virtual machine of Windows 7 right now without more RAM. I would love to run Windows 7 virtually in the MBA but am STUCK with BootCamp which is sad given the low cost of RAM. Why in the world didn't Apple stick 4 GB of RAM in the MBA last June? I would bet sales would have been double, as RAM is the number one reason reported by those who would have bought an MBA but...

For all those that have to run Windows and OS X at the same time, a 13" MBP is truly a better alternative. Until Apple straightens out this huge problem with lack of RAM in the MBA, the MBA just isn't the tool for the dual OS computer.

gwsat
Apr 4, 2010, 08:34 PM
I really love Windows 7 on my MBA, but I don't want to deny myself OS X while running it. The MBA simply doesn't do virtual machine of Windows 7 right now without more RAM. I would love to run Windows 7 virtually in the MBA but am STUCK with BootCamp which is sad given the low cost of RAM. Why in the world didn't Apple stick 4 GB of RAM in the MBA last June? I would bet sales would have been double, as RAM is the number one reason reported by those who would have bought an MBA but...

For all those that have to run Windows and OS X at the same time, a 13" MBP is truly a better alternative. Until Apple straightens out this huge problem with lack of RAM in the MBA, the MBA just isn't the tool for the dual OS computer.
Scottsdale -- The inability to add RAM to the MBA is the sole reason I don't already have one. I simply won't buy another Macbook of any kind until I can get one that is both very light weight and can accept enough RAM to allow me to run Fusion in Unity mode and Windows 7. Alas, that eliminates both the current MBA, because of its 2Gb of RAM limitation, and the 13 inch MBP, because it weighs 4.5 pounds.

In another thread, a poster claimed that he routinely runs Parallels in coherence mode with Windows on an MBA, which he uses to run his business. If he is right about this, it's the first time I have heard about it. I had assumed that Parallels, although currently faster than Fusion, was just as big a memory hog as Fusion.

beebler
Apr 4, 2010, 09:49 PM
My friend at Apple R&D maintains that brand new Macbook Airs are aimed at the end of the year. He also said that 15" Airs will be released next year sometime, after the initial ones are released.

tflournoy95
Apr 4, 2010, 09:56 PM
maybe apple plans to drop the mba and make a fully featured osx version of the ipad.(c2d, upgradable storage/memory)
think that this would be really cool. the osx version could also hae a 13.3 in screen too.

tflournoy95
Apr 4, 2010, 09:57 PM
My friend at Apple R&D maintains that brand new Macbook Airs are aimed at the end of the year. He also said that 15" Airs will be released next year sometime, after the initial ones are released.

you mean your imaginery friend? yeah i was talking to him too