23" Widescreen LCDs

[TranceClubMusic]

I have noticed that other Manufacturers are selling 23" Widescreen LCDs for less money then the Apple Cinema Displays!! :cool:

For example, HP Model # L2335

It features a 1920 x 1200 UXGA native and maximum resolution, 0.258mm pixel pitch, 25ms response time, a 350:1 contrast ratio and 250 nits brightness. ;)

You can buy this monitor for $1,399.00~!!!!!!!!!!!!! - No Tax - Plus Free Shipping - make this a HUGE savings over the $1,999 Apple version! :eek:

Any thoughts??????? :confused:

[Laslo Panaflex]

I have it at work, am using it right now, it is a GREAT LCD. I have an 23" Alu Apple display at home, and the LCD panels themselves are identical as far as I can tell.

The eclosure on the HP isn't as nice as the apple, and adjusting the HP display isn't as smooth as the apple. Also, the apple has firewire and USB, but the HP has a built in s-video, Component, and composite video imputs, and Picture in Picture capability. Really, if you don't care too much about the look of the enlclosure, then get the HP, the LCD panel is just as good, and that is the most important part.

Let me know if you have any more questions.

P.S. the stats that you have written down are wrong, it has a contrast ratio of 500:1 and a 16ms response. :D

[edesignuk]

The Apple LCD's (apparenlty) have a 16ms response (latest tech), and are 400:1, plus they have that little Apple logo on the front and are made of aluminum.

[Laslo Panaflex]

Here is a review of the HP L2335, I pretty much agree with everthing that they say.

http://reviews.designtechnica.com/review1695_main8483.html

[emw]

One of the things that sets the ACD display apart from the HP has been the color consistency between monitors and within the display itself. This is especially important in many graphic arts uses, specifically for color-critical prepress work.

That being said, the HP is probably a better alternative for anyone not looking to seriously dial in the color on these things, plus the additional video inputs are sweet.

[Laslo Panaflex]

One of the things that sets the ACD display apart from the HP has been the color consistency between monitors and within the display itself. This is especially important in many graphic arts uses, specifically for color-critical prepress work.

That being said, the HP is probably a better alternative for anyone not looking to seriously dial in the color on these things, plus the additional video inputs are sweet.

That may have been true in the past, but I use the new 23" Alu at home and the HP at work, and they seem pretty much identical in every aspect as far as the panels go. I am sure if you put them side by side you might see some differences in color consistency between monitors, but he is not going to get a dual 23" setup so it really doesn't matter. The color consistency is great on the HP, as on my 23" alu, but I know some people have had problems with their new 23".

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=82094

All I can say is that I can find no noticable difference between Apple and HP's panels used in their 23" offerings.

[TranceClubMusic]

Opps - looks like I made a mistake..........
With an extremely fast 16ms response time :D , the L2335 also features a 500:1 contrast ratio :cool: , and a 16:9 widescreen display. It runs at UXGA (1920x1200) resolution at 60Hz and features a typical brightness of 250 nits.

So it looks like this DOES have the same specs or BETTER in some cases to the Apple version. :eek:

All of this for the price of an Apple 20" ACD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek: :eek:

The Apple LCD's (apparenlty) have a 16ms response (latest tech), and are 400:1, plus they have that little Apple logo on the front and are made of aluminum.

[TranceClubMusic]

FANTASTIC!!! Thanks for the review! Looks like I will be getting a 23" HD LCD with out the High Apple Price!!!!!!!!!!!
I LOVE it!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D



Here is a review of the HP L2335, I pretty much agree with everthing that they say.

http://reviews.designtechnica.com/review1695_main8483.html

[edesignuk]

From the review:
We were told by HP that the L2335 uses an LCD panel manufactured as a joint venture between LG Electronics and Philips.Apple use LG/Philips as well. It's probably the same bloody panel, just for much less $$$$ :eek: :rolleyes:

[TranceClubMusic]

WOW~! Look at this review/comment:
"Graphic designers that want more versatility than the Apple Cinema display will find the L2335 a better solution. With its pivot capabilities and very adjustable neck this monitor should please even the most demanding. The LCD display is sharp, colorful and very bright thanks to the LG Electronics LCD panel it uses."
:eek:

[TranceClubMusic]

I knowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! WOW I read that too!
Damn! $1,399 for this Monitor is a STEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

Bollocksssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss! ;)


Apple use LG/Philips as well. It's probably the same bloody panel, just for much less $$$$ :eek: :rolleyes:

[edesignuk]

Well, it's not actually that much of a difference here in the UK, best price for the HP is £1463 (inc. VAT), and for the Apple £1543 (inc. VAT), so there's only £80 in it.

[TranceClubMusic]

That blows :(
Here in the USA - The Apple Display is 2 Grand and even with the Educational Discount of $1799 + Tax brings it back up to 2 Grand!!

Its like a $700.00 price break for me!!! :eek:


PLUS!!!!!!!!!! This comes with a three year warrantee!!!! Apple charges for 3 years! HP gives that with the Monitor! Its like another $250.00 saved!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:



Well, it's not actually that much of a difference here in the UK, best price for the HP is £1463 (inc. VAT), and for the Apple £1543 (inc. VAT), so there's only £80 in it.

[emw]

That may have been true in the past, but I use the new 23" Alu at home and the HP at work, and they seem pretty much identical in every aspect as far as the panels go.

All I can say is that I can find no noticable difference between Apple and HP's panels used in their 23" offerings.

Wow. Looking again at some more information, that does indeed seem to be the case. Hardly seems worth the additional cash to get something that looks good next to the G5. Now if I can just convince my boss that I need to test one of those to confirm it... :D

[Peyote]

I have noticed that other Manufacturers are selling 23" Widescreen LCDs for less money then the Apple Cinema Displays!! :cool:

For example, HP Model # L2335

It features a 1920 x 1200 UXGA native and maximum resolution, 0.258mm pixel pitch, 25ms response time, a 350:1 contrast ratio and 250 nits brightness. ;)

You can buy this monitor for $1,399.00~!!!!!!!!!!!!! - No Tax - Plus Free Shipping - make this a HUGE savings over the $1,999 Apple version! :eek:

Any thoughts??????? :confused:



Where can you get it for $1399? I have to have a HP logo on my desk, but if it means I can save $400 over the EDU price of a ACD 23", and be able to buy the monitor now and a G5 later, and still have a 3 year warranty on the monitor, I might just grin and bear it!

It really stinks that you can't buy Apple care for a ACD by itself.


I don't think this HP monitor looks bad...it's a greyish metal color, so it should look fine next to a G5...except for that HP logo...Maybe you can pry it off. :D

[TranceClubMusic]

http://www.pcconnection.com/web/Shopping/Product.htm?catalog%5Fname=PCCGeneral&category%5Fname=&product%5Fid=5132213&variant%5Fid=&SearchLogID=%7BC7BAE4DD%2D7A5F%2D4280%2DA899%2DE42AACD31337%7D



Where can you get it for $1399?

[keysersoze]

http://www.pcconnection.com/web/Shopping/Product.htm?catalog%5Fname=PCCGeneral&category%5Fname=&product%5Fid=5132213&variant%5Fid=&SearchLogID=%7BC7BAE4DD%2D7A5F%2D4280%2DA899%2DE42AACD31337%7D

Wow.

Do you know if there is a comparable 20" HP? The 23" is a bit excessive for my needs.

Ah! Nevermind... found it here!
http://www.pcconnection.com/web/Shopping/Product.htm?catalog%5Fname=PCCGeneral&category%5Fname=&product%5Fid=4876771&variant%5Fid=&SearchLogID=%7B5E7555F6%2DD42A%2D4464%2DB6A0%2DCDD6839077FF%7D

[TranceClubMusic]

Yeah, but its NOT Widescreen :rolleyes:



Wow.

Do you know if there is a comparable 20" HP? The 23" is a bit excessive for my needs.

Ah! Nevermind... found it here!
http://www.pcconnection.com/web/Shopping/Product.htm?catalog%5Fname=PCCGeneral&category%5Fname=&product%5Fid=4876771&variant%5Fid=&SearchLogID=%7B5E7555F6%2DD42A%2D4464%2DB6A0%2DCDD6839077FF%7D

[keysersoze]

Yeah, but its NOT Widescreen :rolleyes:

Oh well crap.

my mistake.

[mslifkin]

Thanks for posting this! I was looking at getting a 23" Apple Cinema Display, and would have had to literally jump thru hoops to make it work, due to the fact that I'm using a Dr. Bott MoniSwitch (analog video) to switch between two Macs and 4 PCs. (I don't really use the PCs much, but I'm not about to toss a $400 switch!) The HP display has both analog and digital inputs, so I can use the analog in for my switch, and use the digital in for my PowerBook if I want, too! Anyway, I ordered the display last night, sight unseen, based on what I read in this thread (and HP's web site). Can't wait to get it! Thanks again.

Regards,
Marc

I have noticed that other Manufacturers are selling 23" Widescreen LCDs for less money then the Apple Cinema Displays!! :cool:

For example, HP Model # L2335

It features a 1920 x 1200 UXGA native and maximum resolution, 0.258mm pixel pitch, 25ms response time, a 350:1 contrast ratio and 250 nits brightness. ;)

You can buy this monitor for $1,399.00~!!!!!!!!!!!!! - No Tax - Plus Free Shipping - make this a HUGE savings over the $1,999 Apple version! :eek:

Any thoughts??????? :confused:

[TranceClubMusic]

Your welcome! Im gonna order the HP 23" HD Monitor as soon as I get paid.




Thanks for posting this! I was looking at getting a 23" Apple Cinema Display, and would have had to literally jump thru hoops to make it work, due to the fact that I'm using a Dr. Bott MoniSwitch (analog video) to switch between two Macs and 4 PCs. (I don't really use the PCs much, but I'm not about to toss a $400 switch!) The HP display has both analog and digital inputs, so I can use the analog in for my switch, and use the digital in for my PowerBook if I want, too! Anyway, I ordered the display last night, sight unseen, based on what I read in this thread (and HP's web site). Can't wait to get it! Thanks again.

Regards,
Marc

[Peyote]

http://www.pcconnection.com/web/Shopping/Product.htm?catalog%5Fname=PCCGeneral&category%5Fname=&product%5Fid=5132213&variant%5Fid=&SearchLogID=%7BC7BAE4DD%2D7A5F%2D4280%2DA899%2DE42AACD31337%7D



You do realize that the reason it's so cheap is that it is refurbished, right?

[Laslo Panaflex]

You do realize that the reason it's so cheap is that it is refurbished, right?

Yeah, I was wondering if he noticed that as well. It's still only $1599 new, which is still $400 less than apples, plus you don't get charged State sales tax when you order from PC Connection, in fact, that is where my work ordered mine from.

[Peyote]

True....however I can get the EDU discount through my wife, which only makes it a $200 difference...hardly seems worth it when you're spending that much money, but a $400 savings is really good.

I am wary of buying refurb equipment anyway though.

[Laslo Panaflex]

True....however I can get the EDU discount through my wife, which only makes it a $200 difference...hardly seems worth it when you're spending that much money, but a $400 savings is really good.

I am wary of buying refurb equipment anyway though.

What does it matter? If the refurb has a 3 year warranty standard, I am sure that it is not that big of a risk. If it broke, the warranty will replace or fix your refurb.

[The Past]

Looks like it is not hi def. Or, is it?

[edesignuk]

Looks like it is not hi def. Or, is it?1920x1200=HD, AFAIK.

[The Past]

1920x1200=HD, AFAIK.

Thanks. I missed that.

[TranceClubMusic]

HI 5 Laslo!


What does it matter? If the refurb has a 3 year warranty standard, I am sure that it is not that big of a risk. If it broke, the warranty will replace or fix your refurb.

[TranceClubMusic]

Only a $200 Diff? :confused:
Na, dont think so - I go to the University of Miami so I have the same EDU Discount - Problem is you STILL PAY SALES TAX - which makes the EDU Price come out to $2,000.00 anyways!

So ordering from PC Connections is still a HUGE Price break - NO TAX and NO Shipping - even ordering at full retail price of $1,599 ;)


True....however I can get the EDU discount through my wife, which only makes it a $200 difference...hardly seems worth it when you're spending that much money, but a $400 savings is really good.

I am wary of buying refurb equipment anyway though.

[TranceClubMusic]

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1920x1200=HD, AFAIK.

[kugino]

i have a new 23" apple cinema display staring me in the face...just got it at the apple store w/edu discount...w/tax, it still came out to over $1930. there's a 10% restocking fee if i open it, so before opening, it, should i keep it...or order the hp 2335? i don't mind refurbished...and even with 2-day shipping, it's about $500 cheaper than the apple. it just means i don't get to play with my g5 powermac until friday.

btw - you can buy it NEW with no tax (about $17 for shipping) for $1499 here: http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=134843&_LOC=US

so, here's what's important to me (besides the price)...is it VESA compliant? is having the extra inputs going to be that useful for future purposes?...let's say i want to turn it into my tv monitor later...and lastly, how ugly is it? i saw its newer brother - the one with the speakers and extra t.v. features (can't recall the model no.) and it was quite ugly...black plastic grilles...very tacky. but, if the difference is $500, i think i would opt for the HP...$500 gets me a kick-a$$ video card upgrade and some other stuff. any suggestions/thoughts would be most welcome. hopefully, i haven't ripped into the monitor box like a monkey on a cupcake while i wait for your thoughts...

[TranceClubMusic]

That was exactly my thinking!!
$500 Bucks!!! That gets me 2 GIGs of RAM or almost a NVIDIA 6800!
Keep in mind that this is the SAME EXACT LCD Screen used in the Apple Cinema Display! Yes, granted NOT the same "look" exterior wise BUT like the fat chicks say "its on the inside that counts".




i have a new 23" apple cinema display staring me in the face...just got it at the apple store w/edu discount...w/tax, it still came out to over $1930. there's a 10% restocking fee if i open it, so before opening, it, should i keep it...or order the hp 2335? i don't mind refurbished...and even with 2-day shipping, it's about $500 cheaper than the apple. it just means i don't get to play with my g5 powermac until friday.

btw - you can buy it NEW with no tax (about $17 for shipping) for $1499 here: http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=134843&_LOC=US

so, here's what's important to me (besides the price)...is it VESA compliant? is having the extra inputs going to be that useful for future purposes?...let's say i want to turn it into my tv monitor later...and lastly, how ugly is it? i saw its newer brother - the one with the speakers and extra t.v. features (can't recall the model no.) and it was quite ugly...black plastic grilles...very tacky. but, if the difference is $500, i think i would opt for the HP...$500 gets me a kick-a$$ video card upgrade and some other stuff. any suggestions/thoughts would be most welcome. hopefully, i haven't ripped into the monitor box like a monkey on a cupcake while i wait for your thoughts... :eek:

[kugino]

well, pcconnection.com ran out of the refurbs...so the cheapest is around $1520...$400 is still a pretty sizable difference...and yet, i'm still torn. my g5 2.0 arrives tomorrow...we'll see how much willpower i have tomorrow. still undecided...stay tuned...

[Counterfit]

Has anyone here even seen this HP display in person? I have, there's one at a local CompUSA. Play around with it for a bit, and it becomes very obvious where they saved all that money. It's in the casing, which seems to be the same cheap plastic they use in their printers. It's fine for printers, but it seems to be a tad weak for the weight of a 23" LCD display. It's very very shaky, and the hinge just sucks.

[Laslo Panaflex]

Has anyone here even seen this HP display in person? I have, there's one at a local CompUSA. Play around with it for a bit, and it becomes very obvious where they saved all that money. It's in the casing, which seems to be the same cheap plastic they use in their printers. It's fine for printers, but it seems to be a tad weak for the weight of a 23" LCD display. It's very very shaky, and the hinge just sucks.

I use one at work, and I have an Apple 23" at home. The hinge on the one that I use is fine, maybe a little more shaky than the Apple, but that is expected, it's a 23" display. Maybe the one you saw at comp USA had people like you playing with it, all day long for months and the hinge has become weakened, more so than normal everyday use.

The HP is no apple display, the apple is a lot nicer in enclosure, but like I have said in this thread already, if you don't care to pay more for apple enclosure and firewire and USB, then you should get the HP.

[kugino]

well, my wife really liked it, so it is now open, waiting on our computer desk for its mate to arrive tomorrow. it sure is beautiful...the ad/dc adapter itself is a thing of beauty.

like the other post said, the HP monitor is really built like crap...i didn't see the 2335 at compusa, but its more refined brother - the one with speakers...and that one had lots of plastic grilles and seemed flimsy. the apple monitor feels like one solid piece.

of course, that doesn't mean it's worth $400-500 more than the HP...but i figured i'd have the monitor for 6, 7, 8-plus years...and the cost per year seems worth it.

[snowdog]

The price-difference is reversed here in Sweden.

The Cinema Display, from Apple, costs 21.330:-.
Hp's costs 22.300:- which is about USD 130 more.

[Jo-Kun]

In belgium: prices incl VAT

Apple 23"= 2369,00 euro
HP 23"= 2418,79 euro

http://www.backoffice.be/shop/hotitem.asp?pkga=E1F&pkgb=B8&lang=nl

1870,03 euro

and personally I think the HP variant doesn't look so bad... and for a price in between the 20" and the 23" from apple... this is the better deal... little more expensive than getting a 20" but the benifits of having a 23"...

[Counterfit]

but that is expected, it's a 23" display. No, it's expected because they used **** for plastic, where it needs something stronger. It might be a little shaky now, but what about 4-5 years from now, will that hinge still be intact even?