Apple Releases Updated MacBook Pros With Core i5 and i7 Processors

[gcortega]

i got a 17 MBP 3.06 anti-glare 4gb ram... like two weeks ago, do you think i would be able to have apple give me one of these new ones?

You have 14 days from the original purchase date to return it

[dukebound85]

No, in socialism everything is free and provided by the state.

provided by the state via your taxes:rolleyes:

[mr.steevo]

pro is just a silly moniker to make people feel better

i3 is just a silly moniker to make people feel better.

s.

[PandaOnslaught]

Am I dreaming? is this really happening?

dude my whole day has been like hazy i dont get it i feel like i am dreaming, but then i looked at my wallet after purchasing the MBP 15 lol IM WIDE AWAKE NOW@!

[swarmster]

it is sad indeed, Core i3 performance is similar to C2D, but there is no reason to keep the old technology when there is a new technology for similar price available.

also 8GB is the maximum or it is because there is no 2X8GB kits available yet?

The Celeron i3 uses 40% more power for lesser performance. I'd say that's a good reason.

[mdntcallr]

To all those people saying "Why do they still include a DVD drive? or They'll be out of date soon - who uses CD's?... Just how ignorant can you get?!

Given these are 'supposed' to be Professional products, a DVD drive is the first feature you'd have on the list in terms of make-up. I study audio technology at University, and for all the countless people that have the MacBook's here, a laptop without a CD drive is about as useful as a chocolate teapot. We burn discs every week, as do the Film students, photography students... Just because, as an individual, you don't need the drive does not mean everyone else feels the same way. Compact Discs have a long future, but even that is only based on whether Philips continue to support the rights.

Although I'm sure Jobs would want Blu-Ray support, you are all forgetting that when he referred to "a bag of hurt", he was talking in retrospect of the legal situation. Sony haven't just handed over the rights to Blu-Ray technology willingly - this is business, and they are competing. The only consolation as far as this situation is concerned is that The Times suggested Apple were investigating a 'loop-hole' in the rights to use Blu-Ray - an already long and expensive process.

Then their is the question of how Apple would distribute Blu-Ray drives. Even 2/3 years ago, it was standard to have the choice of the silly 'Combo-Drive' or the 'Super-Drive' on MacBooks, and I would imagine the same situation will occur should Apple find rights; to upgrade to the Blu-Ray drive will cost. This isn't solely because Apple are stingy - its because they need to find out whether there is a market or a need for Blu-Ray within the consumer domain.

But even if all this is true... Apple then still needs to develop their own Software to support the Blu-Ray drives. 'DVD Player' will probably be replaced by a universal DVD/Blu program, as well as a number of other OS X updates. These updates are not going to be typical downloads - they are part of the core OS, and I can imagine them being implemented in 10.7.

So, as you can see, its ok ranting "Just put the drives in!!!!!", but it's no means a simple process.



sorry, but you can't tell me that Apple, the company known for licensing music and movies from the labels and studios can't manage clearing blu-ray licensing! thats BS. Apple doesn't want to do it because at this point they want to stall blu-ray. sadly many of us need it for photography and i'd like to watch content on the road. but apple won't even give the option for it.

these drives are not that expensive. they can do ones that just read discs, and can burn dvd/cd. or the option to do burn all three formats. they just work. but will apple use these drives? no

and yes they would have to program dvd player / quicktime to work with BD. but... of course it can be done.

all of this is doable ... but only if apple wants to do it. and Steve Jobs is being remarkably stubborn. don't think it is anything but apple wanting to stonewall BD to protect their movie sales/rentals at itunes. thats the story. nothing else.

[jamesryanbell]

The models that matter got decent updates (high end 15" and 17"). That's good.

As far as the 13" models, who cares? Buy an air. ;)

[skn]

pro is just a silly moniker to make people feel better

Yep! :D

[Freebiscuits]

is a 13" MBP worth getting over a normal macbook?? seems they have the same specs still....

MACBOOK
13-inch
2.26GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB DDR3 memory
250GB hard drive1
8x double-layer SuperDrive
NVIDIA GeForce 9400M graphics
Built-in 7-hour battery2
$999


MACBOOK PRO 2010
13-inch
Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4GHz
4GB Memory
250GB hard drive1
SD card slot
Built-in battery (10 hours)
NVIDIA GeForce 320M graphics
$1,199

[yttbbs]

what is the inertial scrolling on the multi-touch trackpad?:confused:

[Frosties]

everyone shut up, you expected something based on what you think should be released and rumors. The 13" got updated but not what you wanted, the 15 and 17" got updated but more than you want to spend. Go buy a damn PC then. I just bought the cheapest 15" with antiglare screen for under $2000 including tax and free shipping. I am very happy with this since I am upgrading from a iMac G5 that is over 5 years old. This laptop will last me for about 4 years. You get what you pay for and I believe a Mac is way better than any PC, it is for what I use it for. People complain because they can't get what they want, can't afford it or have to justify a prior purchase.

You don't like it, SHUT UP

* Next level
* Not to worry

LOL Best darn joke update in a long time. Thank you Steve, and no I will not shut up because this really was a bad update before it was released. Next update in 6-12 months. FUNNY!

[BothBarsOn]

I wager it is because the i3/i5 etc requires apple to include a gfx BOARD ala the 15" and 17", so far apple just cant do it due to space/ cost.

I had this worry when I heard about intel & Nvidia falling out months ago, it has come true.:(

Can you (or anyone else) explain in small, simple words about the Nvidia/Intel fight and what effect it has on MBPs? Speak to me as you would a child. :o

[jamesryanbell]

what is the inertial scrolling on the multi-touch trackpad?:confused:

It scrolls like iPhone (scroll fast, and let go and the screen keeps moving) instead of the way a two finger swipe on Macbook Pro scrolls now.

[xbjllb]

Who the hell uses optical mediums anymore...? Discs are going down just like floppies did...real fast...

Uh... every video producer. Uh... every audio studio that does audio for video. Uh... every wedding videographer. Uh... everyone having anything to do with video, period. All have been dealing with clients screaming for Blu-ray for THREE YEARS now.

This insane suicidal aversion to providing true cutting-edge workstations will kill Apple.

And good riddance.

:apple:

[yttbbs]

is a 13" MBP worth getting over a normal macbook?? seems they have the same specs still....

MACBOOK
13-inch
2.26GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB DDR3 memory
250GB hard drive1
8x double-layer SuperDrive
NVIDIA GeForce 9400M graphics
Built-in 7-hour battery2
$999


MACBOOK PRO 2010
13-inch
Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4GHz
4GB Memory
250GB hard drive1
SD card slot
Built-in battery (10 hours)
NVIDIA GeForce 320M graphics
$1,199

slightly faster processor
double RAM
longer life battery
much more advanced graphics

[KRF68]

why NO USB 3.0??????????

[stefan15]

is a 13" MBP worth getting over a normal macbook?? seems they have the same specs still....
I'd say so. Go for it. Better enclosure and graphics card. For only $200. You will regret not spending the extra $200 once your white macbook is scuffed, chipped, and wrecked. Many reviews report scuffs by the time they are done their review.

[mwayne85]

I must say, this is a disappointing update, and my expectations weren't very high to begin with. I did not expect USB 3.0. I did not expect Blu-ray. I did not expect Lightpeak. That's all fine. But what I did expect was Quad-core (even if it was just on the 17"). I did expect i3 processors on the 13". It's bloody 2010 and they're STILL using Core2duo on what they call a PRO machine?! That's ridiculous! I expected a 16:9 switch, but i'm not too bothered by that. And the fact that they're still using 256 memory graphics is lame as well. *sigh* "Taking macs to the next level in 2010!" Yeah right.

[Ironduke]

Comments like this make you look less than intelligent. Price went up 100$, and you get +2GB of ram, +90GB of HD space, +0.14GHZ of processor, better graphics card, and 3 hours more on your battery life.

smarten up~

Did it in the US?

also I bet those components cost apple less now then they did at the last update funboy

[SeattleMoose]

On the Apple webpage the computers are a footnote.

iPad still front and center is getting all the love at Apple.

Computers....not so much.

Wonder if Steve already has plans to torpedo the computer in the traditional sense as part of the "magical revolution".
:eek:

[jamesryanbell]

Gee what a great video card! LOL!!!!!!!

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/video_lookup.php?cpu=GeForce+GT+330M

[miles01110]

why NO USB 3.0??????????

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=9651382

[xbjllb]

....your main tech selling video at the Apple store is on the aluminum case and how its made...

:apple:

[swarmster]

I must say, this is a disappointing update, and my expectations weren't very high to begin with. I did not expect USB 3.0. I did not expect Blu-ray. I did not expect Lightpeak. That's all fine. But what I did expect was Quad-core (even if it was just on the 17"). I did expect i3 processors on the 13". It's bloody 2010 and they're STILL using Core2duo on what they call a PRO machine?! That's ridiculous! I expected a 16:9 switch, but i'm not too bothered by that. And the fact that they're still using 256 memory graphics is lame as well. *sigh* "Taking macs to the next level in 2010!" Yeah right.

i3 isn't a "pro" processor. I'd be disappointed if it was used in the regular MacBooks, frankly.

[puffnstuff]

weren't the prices always 1199 and 1499 for the 13"? :confused:

[Bleubird2]

Maybe now people will stop bitching at the iPad news! You've got your MBP update that you've been waiting, now go have fun and leave the iPad topics alone!

It doesn't matter if they have anything to really complain about, some people just love to complain. If it's not about a lack of MBP update, it's about an update that isn't good enough.

To those of you who are whining about this update, no one forces you to buy a Mac. If you don't like the systems, buy a PC. Personally, I am tired of windows and I am looking forward to buying my first Mac in the fall.

[jamesryanbell]

512GB SSD - Good.
4GB RAM Standard - Meh. Should be 8GB on top models.
i7 available on the computers that matter - Good.
Video Card - CRAP.
Better Res on 15" - Gay that it's an upgrade; still not 1920x1080

[JohnnyGo]

Enough said about C2D on 13" MBPs... frustrating for me (I was hoping to upgrade mine)

Now let's evaluate APPLE's pricing... CRAZY:
13"MBP 2.4Ghz $1,199
13"MBP 2.66Ghz $1,499

Besides the processor/speed bump, PRE-update you got RAM bump (2Gb->4Gb) and HD bump, NOW it is only an HD bump (250Gb->320Gb) which Apple charges only $50... hence, Apple is charging $250 for a 10% speed bump !!! :eek:

Again let's evaluate APPLE's pricing... now on 15" model... STILL CRAZY:
15"MBP 2.4Ghz $1,799
15"MBP 2.53Ghz $1,999

Besides the processor/speed bump, The HD bump (320Gb->500Gb) which Apple charges $100 but cost around $20-$40... hence, Apple is charging $100/$150 for a 5% speed bump !!! :mad:

Not as bad as the 13" MBP but still bad.

Solution ? Drop the price on the 13" 2.66Ghz model to $1,299-1,399 range and drop the price on the 15" 2.4Ghz model to $1,699-1,749 range.

Will APPLE do it ? I seriously doubt it. Maybe on a Back to School promotion, or later for the Xmas buying season.

[Freebiscuits]

Whats the difference between the 15"s 2.4 i5 and the 13" 2.4 C2D??





















:confused:

[Eidorian]

is a 13" MBP worth getting over a normal macbook?? seems they have the same specs still....

MACBOOK
13-inch
2.26GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB DDR3 memory
250GB hard drive1
8x double-layer SuperDrive
NVIDIA GeForce 9400M graphics
Built-in 7-hour battery2
$999


MACBOOK PRO 2010
13-inch
Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4GHz
4GB Memory
250GB hard drive1
SD card slot
Built-in battery (10 hours)
NVIDIA GeForce 320M graphics
$1,199Wait for a MACBOOK 2010.

[Ironduke]

provided by the state via your taxes:rolleyes:

so where did the money come from to bail out all the capitalists when the crash happened?

ah my taxes:rolleyes:

[KJ500]

WOW!

13" Macbook Pro BOUGHT!!!

4GB and i5 in a 13" model for 1199? SOLD.

Fantastic update and was more than I was hoping for.
Agreed. I was just thinking there was no need for me to get a Macbook after I got the ipad but these specs are way more than I expected.


.......hmmmmm

[NSK123]

No New 13" Macbook Cpu Update?!?!?! Are You Bleeping Kidding Mehh!!? Seriously.. I Had Dough Ready To Go Buy This Thing But Apple Ain't Getting My Green Stuff Before They Update That Outdated Laptop.

More Ram? SERIOUSLY? NOBODY NEEDS THAT MUCH RAM ANYWAYS, NEW GPU? COME TEH FRAK ON APPLE? IF I WANTED A MACHINE FOR GAMING I WOULD BUY A DESKTOP OR A PS3!!

Steve jobs go to hell!! I'm this close l---------l to buying an Android phone instead of the next iPhone.
Fail Fail Fail.

[None Such]

Let the griping and bitching about something begin

Oh you know it.

[iMacmatician]

You are absolutely right, very unrealistic of me to expect a 1080p display in a 15" laptop when Sony is putting a 1080p display in their 13" Vaio Z.Exactly.

Dear All,

Well I skip this update. Will Apple ever goes quad-core? I have no desktop and do everything with my Macbook pro, and I run heavy applications like CAD and logic pro. So some find it useless in a laptop but I would really welcome a quad-core.

With kind regards,
BasProbably 2012 at the earliest, given Intel CPU roadmaps.

It's not in their price list. If it isn't in their price list, it doesn't exist.It's an OEM CPU (no listed price).

You have Intel to thank for that - they won't put that on their boards until at least 2011. There's no rush for them to develop it since not many would use the bandwidth.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/04/nvidia-confirms-intel-chipsets-wont-support-usb-3-0-until-2011/Appears to be 2012 now.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://www.114dn.com/pc/xw/xw/2009/1127/267.html&ei=kg5XS8z_GM3ulAfa_N37Aw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CDEQ7gEwCQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dintel%2Bpatsburg%2Bsandy%2Bbridge%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://northwood.blog60.fc2.com/blog-entry-3318.html&ei=aC9XS6fEOYmo8Aay5-HGAw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CBIQ7gEwAjgK&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dintel%2Bpatsburg%2Bsandy%2Bbridge%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN%26start%3D10

[Aaon]

16x10 instead of 16x9. Again, no excuses here. 16x9 is better in so many ways.

Why is 16x9 better than 16x10? I mean, all the pixels for 16x9 are still there, plus some etra on the top/bottom, right? That is, is there anything you can't do with a 16x10 display that you can do with 16x9? Personally, I'll take all the vertical space I can get. More pixels=better!

[dennis123123]

I expected a 16:9 switch, but i'm not too bothered by that.

16:9 is a stupid aspect ratio for noobs with Dells that want to watch videos and do nothing else.

For actually doing productive work, the more vertical screen space the better.

[Freebiscuits]

Wait for a MACBOOK 2010.


NO NOOOO!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!:eek:
DONT SAY WAIT!!! DONT SAY THAT WORD!
the waiting JUST ENDED! im NOT Starting AGAIN lol

[Dave351]

Found this page that benchmarks the dual core i5 & i7 processors.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Intel-Core-i3-i5-i7-Processors-Arrandale.25085.0.html

If it's already been posted, my apologies.

[xbjllb]

Although I'm sure Jobs would want Blu-Ray support, you are all forgetting that when he referred to "a bag of hurt", he was talking in retrospect of the legal situation. Sony haven't just handed over the rights to Blu-Ray technology willingly - this is business, and they are competing. The only consolation as far as this situation is concerned is that The Times suggested Apple were investigating a 'loop-hole' in the rights to use Blu-Ray - an already long and expensive process.

You are being too kind to Jobs. Obviously it is his plan to merely drag his feet on Blu-ray (and pray that not ALL his high-end customers bail) until optical media is obsolete (in about 5-7 years.)

Of course that is an idiotic suicidal business position to take, but as long as iKiddies and a bought and paid for whore press are ooing and ahh-ing over at the shell game of new iCrap, Jobs is hoping no one will notice that the "newest" Mac computers are sub-par and "cutting edge" 2005.

:apple:

[greenmeanie]

I think it is about time 512mb is standard on the video. Screw the 256mb crap.

[kas23]

provided by the state via your taxes:rolleyes:

Or, they just print more money, which erodes the value of their currency. Geez, ppl are so unaware it's sad.

[Aaon]

For actually doing productive work, the more vertical screen space the better.
I agree. Word processing with some additional vertical space is much nicer, for sure.

[mwayne85]

16:9 is a stupid aspect ratio for noobs with Dells that want to watch videos and do nothing else.

For actually doing productive work, the more vertical screen space the better.

Exactly my point, sir. I did expect a 16:9 change. But, again, it doesn't bother me that they didn't switch for this very reason.

[Sir Cecil]

The i3 uses more power (35W vs 25W) and is generally on par or a little slower than the newest Core 2 Duos. I'm not sure why everyone was hoping for an i3. i3 is the new Celeron, it would be a disgrace to see it in Apple hardware.

They're probably the same youths who want more firepower in the cheaper machines because they know their parents won't buy them the more expensive ones.
So instead of cursing their moms and dads for being cheap, they find it easier to moan about Steve Jobs not making the stuff they want at prices daddy wants to spend on them.

[ScottishDuck]

This is nothing less than a bad joke on Apples part.

They must really be wanting to kill off their laptop line.

[striatedglutes]

16x10 instead of 16x9. Again, no excuses here. 16x9 is better in so many ways.

Did I miss something? It seems all anybody does with their laptops anymore is use them as portable DVD/Blu-ray players? :confused:

[Shanebibi]

I have to say I'm a bit stunned by some of the comments here.
This is the worst update ever ? Why ? If your laptop brings you everything you need, does it matter if it does so with an i5 or a C2D ?

Everything's not about Mhz guys.. Just take a look at the 13" specs globally : powerful processor, powerful graphic chip, 4Gb of ram, 10 hours of battery life, awesome trackpad, wifi n, bluetooth, ethernet 1000, firewire 800, sd-card etc..

Who wouldn't want a laptop like that ? Yes it's not the very last Intel processor, but do you need that in the first place ? I mean take a MBP, use it for a while, and dare to say that it's not a wonderful product.

I have a MacBook Unibody (october 2008) and there are no things I can't do with it (and even if there were, it would be things that are not meant to be done with a laptop anyway). That's just the Mac experience, and I'm ok with my processor being a C2D instead of a i5, because frankly, take a laptop of another brand with an i5, I'm pretty confident that it doesn't respond as well and that it's not as pleasant to use as a MBP.

Oh and sorry for my english :)

Cheers from France !

[iMacmatician]

Why is 16x9 better than 16x10? I mean, all the pixels for 16x9 are still there, plus some etra on the top/bottom, right? That is, is there anything you can't do with a 16x10 display that you can do with 16x9? Personally, I'll take all the vertical space I can get. More pixels=better!Depends on the resolutions. In terms of just numbers, some close resolutions:

1920x1200 » 1920x1080 = drop
1280x800 » 1366x768, 1920x1200 » 2048x1152 = give-and-take
1440x900 » 1600x900 = increase

[Queso]

Gee what a great video card! LOL!!!!!!!

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/video_lookup.php?cpu=GeForce+GT+330M
It's a laptop James.

[porky]

There is an i3 but apple decided against it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core

Look @ Sony and Asus... Should be in de 13" macbook pro and even in the macbook. High profit margin, ok, no problem with that, but use old hardware?? And if they still use the old cpu's, why don't they bring it to a cheap 15" ????

[Eric S.]

No i5/i7 on the 13"? There's a simple explanation: they couldn't get the graphics situation worked out with Intel and they didn't want to "downgrade" to Intel integrated graphics only.

As I've been saying for a while, there isn't enough room on the 13" logic board for both the 2-die Arrandale and a dedicated graphics chip. And Jobs is loath to give customers options like removing the optical drive.

So much for taking the MBPs to the next level... what a joke. One of the worst updates ever! How disappointing!

What Steve said was that "new Macs will take Apple to the next level."

Just for my understanding. is the i7 quad-core or not?

Arrandale, man, Arrandale.

[nick9191]

they also removed a USB port.....
Why does at least one person always say this whenever they update.

2 on the 15", 3 on the 17". It's been that way for god knows how many years.

[av3206]

how long until these show up in the stores?

[dennis123123]

Did I miss something? It seems all anybody does with their laptops anymore is use them as portable DVD/Blu-ray players? :confused:

You didn't miss anything, they kept 16:10 because its a "pro" aspect ratio... I.e. for people who actually do work, and not just watch movies

[misteralakista]

Expecting they were going to have 330M or 335M for graphics, but hoping they would go ATI and put in the 5830. Hmm the battery life and the fact that I just bought the Mac Box Set is making me think twice about getting the HP Envy... Even though I can get a higher res screen, better graphics, blu-ray and a faster hard drive for the same price if I buy the Envy (or slightly better processor and battery life with the Mac)... :S
Oh well, I'll wait for a review on notebookcheck and if they manage to squeeze out 7000 points out of 3dmark06 I might reconsider sticking with Mac :P
If it applies to anyone, do you miss using OSX after switching to windows? or windows 7?

[macswitcha2]

WOW!

13" Macbook Pro BOUGHT!!!

4GB and i5 in a 13" model for 1199? SOLD.

Fantastic update and was more than I was hoping for.

I don't see a i5 update on the 13 inch models.

[marc.cizravi]

Did it in the US?

also I bet those components cost apple less now then they did at the last update funboy

I presume you're inferring that the price bump in the U.S. isn't significant, but everywhere in the world people will "suffer" because of it being more expensive.

You don't like where you live? Move. Apple is based out of California - Steve Jobs is American, and it's HIS genius that brings all the amazing Apple products to the world. You want to live in the UK then you'll deal with the prices that you're handed. You think they're arbitrary? No, everything is calculated, everything is set the way it's set because it makes the MOST sense, not the other way around. Everything is done for a reason, and nothing is by accident.

Yeah, those existing components probably do cost them less, and look at everything they've added for the small (SMALL) price increase, it seems like Apple is passing that savings onto you.

You want the best in the world? Then you'll pay the premium. You want to cry about the price? Enjoy Windows 7 and every second you have to spend on the phone with Microsoft tech support, it'll be worth the money in your pocket... laugh

[Ironduke]

Did I miss something? It seems all anybody does with their laptops anymore is use them as portable DVD/Blu-ray players? :confused:

we need unity TV screens are 16x9 the new iMacs are 16x9, they need to convert all laptops screens to 16x9, it would be nice if they didnt reduce the pixels though.

[Eidorian]

NO NOOOO!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!:eek:
DONT SAY WAIT!!! DONT SAY THAT WORD!
the waiting JUST ENDED! im NOT Starting AGAIN lolIf you can't wait, in the current state the base 13" Macbook Pro is a better value.

That will more than likely chance when a Macbook 2010 comes out.

As I've been saying for a while, there isn't enough room on the 13" logic board for both the 2-die Arrandale and a dedicated graphics chip. And Jobs is loath to give customers options like removing the optical drive.I'm surprised the GeForce 320M exists to be honest. It's more than likely the MCP89 or even MCP99. We're going to need to see part numbers and take aparts first though.

[MacAddict2000]

Why does at least one person always say this whenever they update.

2 on the 15", 3 on the 17". It's been that way for god knows how many years.

Seven years.

[RaulDukeNC]

So where are these MacBook Pro's being assembled and shipped from?? I can't wait for this thing to arrive

[the_wallcrawler]

Think I'm going to go with the i7 15" build to order with hi-res screen and 7200rpm disk. Just need to figure out how I can apply my fiancee's Intel employee discount. :)

[Freebiscuits]

This is the worst update ever ? Why ? If your laptop brings you everything you need, does it matter if it does so with an i5 or a C2D ?



Everything i need...so can this new 13" get me a girl? lol

[bbydon]

Guys, apple fanbois and apple likers alike...

Everyone has to admit, this it the worst update for Macbook pros EVER... they offer NOTHING worth spending the same money (or in some cases) More money... with no added features... They still run $300-$600 higher than comparable laptops with W7, with less features!?

Please someone explain to me how this is a great update, like some people are saying?


um...automatic graphics switching is pretty huge.... and 10hr battery life

[Ironduke]

I presume you're inferring that the price bump in the U.S. isn't significant, but everywhere in the world people will "suffer" because of it being more expensive.

You don't like where you live? Move. Apple is based out of California - Steve Jobs is American, and it's HIS genius that brings all the amazing Apple products to the world. You want to live in the UK then you'll deal with the prices that you're handed. You think they're arbitrary? No, everything is calculated, everything is set the way it's set because it makes the MOST sense, not the other way around. Everything is done for a reason, and nothing is by accident.

Yeah, those existing components probably do cost them less, and look at everything they've added for the small (SMALL) price increase, it seems like Apple is passing that savings onto you.

You want the best in the world? Then you'll pay the premium. You want to cry about the price? Enjoy Windows 7 and every second you have to spend on the phone with Microsoft tech support, it'll be worth the money in your pocket... laugh

I started to Gag after the first paragraph.:rolleyes:

couldnt read anymore sorry

[striatedglutes]

Just sayin'......

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Sony+-+VAIO+Laptop+with+Intel%26%23174%3B+Core%26%23153%3B+i7+Processor+-+Black/9705382.p?id=1218154378383&skuId=9705382&st=vpcf119&cp=1&lp=1

Quad core/6GB stock/hdmi/backlit keyboard/Blue Ray(if you're so inclined).

Also, very thin and has a really nice keyboard/trackpad

OSX86 anyone?

I've been a Mac'er from day one, but this just makes you pause for a moment.

Product Height 1.6" -- Guess again?

[oddfactor]

Do you guys think that the difference between 2.4 and 2.53 Ghz is drastically different?

[miles01110]

Do you guys think that the difference between 2.4 and 2.53 Ghz is drastically different?

Depends on what you're using it for. For most people it's no different.

[Solid Raven]

I don't really get it why people are upset there's no quadcore. I mean, everyone was eagerly expecting arrandale (right?), which is dualcore. No surprise in this update...

[Xtremehkr]

There is no i3 available in 25W, and the i3's available are less powerful than a C2D. Also, it would have added an additional $100 to add it. There's no point in going with an i3.

The graphics switching is Optimus, which is pretty cool stuff.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/nvidia-optimus-automates-graphics-switching-promises-the-best-o/

There are laptops shipping with USB3.0, it requires an extra chip on the motherboard but I'm not sure why Apple didn't include it this time around. Though, Optimus is a much better addition than USB3.0 is. Maybe Apple is still working on implementing it or just don't think it's ready to be deployed.

[trephineartist]

I'm glad they're finally updated, been waiting for a long, long time.

That said, I see the pricing difference between UK & France hasn't changed

ie the top end MBP is £1799 which is €2038,33, but at the french Apple its selling for €2149.

Why do we have to pay 110€ more on the continent for the same product?

[skn]

Do you guys think that the difference between 2.4 and 2.53 Ghz is drastically different?

No...

[24fps]

I've been visiting Mac Rumours for what seems like forever now, but this is the first time I've ever felt compelled to bitch about something in the forums. Actually, this is the first time I've ever really felt compelled to bitch at Apple, period.

I've been using Macs for about 8 years, after having to lean Shake for a job. As soon as the Intel Macbooks came out, back in the summer of 2006, I shelled out about 1200 bucks and bought a shiny, white, Core Duo Macbook (and then I upgraded the ram and hard drive to 2 gigs/100gigs).

Cutting the long story to a very short one, now it's 2010, Apple has discontinued Shake, seems to be discontinuing Final Cut Pro, and has effectively urinated on it's costumers looking for a serious upgrade to replace their half-working computers (in this case: me). I can't believe that in 4 years, all they can offer is nothing short of a minor spec update... basically doubling the processor speed, ram and hard drive of my machine, adding a graphics card but removing the firewire port in the process.

I don't want to rant on too much about this, because everyone here has heard a variation of this before but this is, in a word: ********. At this rate, it'll be 16 years before they put a terabyte drive in their cheapest laptop, and all of their proprietary software will exist in their App store for their mobile devices, and they won't even bother making anything for their computer line. Photoshop works just as well on a PC, Nuke is cross-platform, Avid has retaken the world, and Aperture just isn't that great.

It's really depressing to watch the company leverage down costs for their iPads, while refusing to do the same for their Macbooks. I have no idea at what point Apple abandoned it's commitment (maybe it never had one?) to "creative professionals" - dumb as that term is - but after years of using Macs, I can't think of one decent reason not to switch back to PCs.

[ModestForumName]

So what would the advantage be to upgrading to the anti-glare hi-res rather than regular hi-res? don't the colors look more vivid on the regular hi-res? what about the speed on the HDD? why is 7200 better than 5400? doesn't that increase the heat? either way, it's a 15" i7 for me =D

[troop231]

So where are these MacBook Pro's being assembled and shipped from?? I can't wait for this thing to arrive

China unfortunately

[DLovett]

So where are these MacBook Pro's being assembled and shipped from?? I can't wait for this thing to arrive

Depends where you live. I've got 5 business days here in Denmark!

[Theunknown1087]

Does the 13inch still have the same screen size.

And since the new ones are now out, for basic stuff, which would be better, White Macbook, or pro?

[Eidorian]

There is no i3 available in 25W, and the i3's available are less powerful than a C2D. Also, it would have added an additional $100 to add it. There's no point in going with an i3.The Core i5 and i7 parts in use are standard voltage at 35W.

[imakesense]

A truer statement could not be said. To buy C2D after the last refresh was nuts as well, but this is even moreso. I understand why Apple can't refresh as regularly as, say, Dell, but this is just outdated. Clearly they've just got a surplus of C2Ds floating about that Intel gave them a good price for, knowing Apple would likely be the only company to buy them and then tout them as the next big thing.

Probably because *brand x* doesn't integrate (solder) their CPUs into their logic board the way Apple does? And probably because of that they can buy whatever batch of CPUs and throw them in whatever model.

You want that? Buy *brand x*.

Remember. We (positive voters) like Apple because of the testing that goes into their products to ensure they work. There's nothing whipped together last minute to stay up to date. The products sell because of the products they are, not because they have the latest technology that was slapped in simply to be there. You want something slapped together, then buy it. But be prepared to complain about feature x,y & z that are cool but they are missing a,b&c along with bug d,e&f which are going to be released on the next version. Fact is nobody gets it right the first time as consistently as Apple when it comes to hardware.

Just like they said in the OS4 keynote, not the first to do *x*, but the best.

Not sure what people what to be improved on in the design of the MBP. Probably the best designed portable computer of all time in terms of aesthetics and performance. If you change it, you do it for a real good reason. You don't change what works. The other guys are constantly changing because they are stumbling to find a design this good.

[JakeTheMac]

Happy Birthday to me!! *Birthday Cake* Now here is the new MBP 15" Core i7 just released today.

Well thanks from ME!!!!

Pretty good birthday present for me. The real question is are they avalible at BB yet? :)

[haruhiko]

Thank you for proving that my decision to change to an 13" Core i3 Arrandale Fujitsu laptop was not wrong... really Thanks.

[Rocketman]

WOW!

13" Macbook Pro BOUGHT!!!

4GB and i5 in a 13" model for 1199? SOLD.

Fantastic update and was more than I was hoping for.The 13" MBP is C2D, not Core i5. You got hosed.

Rocketman

[Reason077]

so can this new 13" get me a girl?

Sure. But you're best to think of it as a conversation starter. The rest is up to you.

[Darkroom]

more expensive base models? that's a bit surprising. what else is a surprise is seeing Core 2 Duo in the 13" models.

my brother wants to get a new mac, and was waiting for these new MacBook Pros to be released so he could make a final decision. he decided to go with the $850 15.5" i5 Sony Viao with Windows 7... $850!! apple sure is a luxury item.

[Frosties]

Yes it's not the very last Intel processor, but do you need that in the first place ?

Why purchase new at all then? Go refurbished old model or second hand. This attitude to not expect great things and up to date cost/performance ratio is just plain silly. This update hurts apple as a notebook choice and brand. In conclusion it's just another step in the gadget direction.

[ippikiokami]

As I've been saying for a while, there isn't enough room on the 13" logic board for both the 2-die Arrandale and a dedicated graphics chip. And Jobs is loath to give customers options like removing the optical drive.

What Steve said was that "new Macs will take Apple to the next level."

Arrandale, man, Arrandale.

What? you know other companies have done this already right?

[Xtremehkr]

The Core i5 and i7 parts in use are standard voltage at 35W.

The 15" and 17" are larger laptops with more features and I would imagine they have larger batteries to support the increase in performance.

[Artmuzz]

To be honest I'm not that interested in upgrading to the new MacBook Pro line. Okay it has the new i5 and i7 intel CPU but hey it is not quad core and I am still happy with my 2 month old 2.8Ghz Core2Duo MacBook Pro and there are still loads I can do on it and besides I have my brand new iMac i5 quad core if I want to do powerful video editing and audio recording.

Art

[DLovett]

Well, even though I am massively disappointed with the 13" update lacking any i5 chips, I pulled the trigger on the new base 13", hoping the GeForce 320M will be a large improvement over the 9400M(It's probably twice as fast).

[v66jack]

Probably because *brand x* doesn't integrate (solder) their CPUs into their logic board the way Apple does? And probably because of that they can buy whatever batch of CPUs and throw them in whatever model.

You want that? Buy *brand x*.

Remember. We (positive voters) like Apple because of the testing that goes into their products to ensure they work. There's nothing whipped together last minute to stay up to date. The products sell because of the products they are, not because they have the latest technology that was slapped in simply to be there. You want something slapped together, then buy it. But be prepared to complain about feature x,y & z that are cool but they are missing a,b&c along with bug d,e&f which are going to be released on the next version. Fact is nobody gets it right the first time as consistently as Apple when it comes to hardware.

Just like they said in the OS4 keynote, not the first to do *x*, but the best.

Not sure what people what to be improved on in the design of the MBP. Probably the best designed portable computer of all time in terms of aesthetics and performance. If you change it, you do it for a real good reason. You don't change what works. The other guys are constantly changing because they are stumbling to find a design this good.

This guy speaks absolute sence

[mattwolfmatt]

This update is not good enough for me.

I'll wait for WWDC. Hopefully, they will update again in 3 months. I also want to see it ships with iLife 10 and iWork 10.

Ok, just keep waiting. I hear in 2017 they'll have 2TB SSD, standard.

[MacbookSlow]

Happy Birthday to me!! *Birthday Cake* Now here is the new MBP 15" Core i7 just released today.

Well thanks from ME!!!!

Pretty good birthday present for me. The real question is are they avalible at BB yet? :)

Happy Birthday!

[oddfactor]

Depends on what you're using it for. For most people it's no different.

Running statistical programs and possibly Matlab as well (until the cluster at my lab is set up) and running a different stats program over Parallels most likely with other stuff open on the OS X side. My 2.16 MB with 3GB ram has trouble with Parallels and my stats program and with some games I play on that side but that's also due to the ****** video card.

[kas23]

So, how long will it take for these to show up on Amazon?

[aw04lfan]

bleh

[troop231]

So where are the Mac Pro updates? Rumors in 3.. 2.. 1..

[mwayne85]

Wait for a MACBOOK 2010.

Wait for what? A battery life bump?

[Sleazy E]

wow, i actually feel bad for all those 13" buyers who have been holding out for months for this update. Glad I got my 13" five months ago, this update would not have been worth the wait :D

[Eidorian]

The 15" and 17" are larger laptops with more features and I would imagine they have larger batteries to support the increase in performance.Keep in mind they were using 25W Penryn Pxxxx processors just yesterday. The gains in battery life today are marginal except in the 13" model.

Wait for what? A battery life bump?Take the 13" MacBook Pro and put it in a plastic body for $999.

[marc.cizravi]

I've been visiting Mac Rumours for what seems like forever now, but this is the first time I've ever felt compelled to bitch about something in the forums. Actually, this is the first time I've ever really felt compelled to bitch at Apple, period.

I've been using Macs for about 8 years, after having to lean Shake for a job. As soon as the Intel Macbooks came out, back in the summer of 2006, I shelled out about 1200 bucks and bought a shiny, white, Core Duo Macbook (and then I upgraded the ram and hard drive to 2 gigs/100gigs).

Cutting the long story to a very short one, now it's 2010, Apple has discontinued Shake, seems to be discontinuing Final Cut Pro, and has effectively urinated on it's costumers looking for a serious upgrade to replace their half-working computers (in this case: me). I can't believe that in 4 years, all they can offer is nothing short of a minor spec update... basically doubling the processor speed, ram and hard drive of my machine, adding a graphics card but removing the firewire port in the process.

I don't want to rant on too much about this, because everyone here has heard a variation of this before but this is, in a word: ********. At this rate, it'll be 16 years before they put a terabyte drive in their cheapest laptop, and all of their proprietary software will exist in their App store for their mobile devices, and they won't even bother making anything for their computer line. Photoshop works just as well on a PC, Nuke is cross-platform, Avid has retaken the world, and Aperture just isn't that great.

It's really depressing to watch the company leverage down costs for their iPads, while refusing to do the same for their Macbooks. I have no idea at what point Apple abandoned it's commitment (maybe it never had one?) to "creative professionals" - dumb as that term is - but after years of using Macs, I can't think of one decent reason not to switch back to PCs.

I'm curious:

To those who are really upset about the pricing... how long are you keeping your computers? I imagine that everyone would be happy if the price dropped $100-$200 per machine... over the course of 3 years, that's not even a difference of $70 a year, barely $6 a month... are you guys serious right now? These prices aren't pulled from the air, in fact I'm positive they're doing their best to keep the prices down.

If you have to complain about spending a couple extra hundred for an investment that should last you 3 years, maybe you're not making enough money; maybe you should be trying a little harder, and maybe if you stopped complaining so much you'd get more done and wouldn't have to worry about shelling out the little you make on something you so desperately want...

[lixuelai]

A bit tempted to get the new 15". The higher resolution will be nice.

[dwhittington]

Nice to see that you have your priorities in line :D

Not to worry.

[ScottishDuck]

Well, even though I am massively disappointed with the 13" update lacking any i5 chips, I pulled the trigger on the new base 13", hoping the GeForce 320M will be a large improvement over the 9400M(It's probably twice as fast).

(It's not even close)

[Eso]

You know it's bad when *LTD* hasn't praised Apple at least 10 times throughout the thread...

[roletti2007]

Judging from the knee-jerk reactions so far I'd say people were happier complaining about the lack of an update :p

Yeah, what do you expect? Lol

[haruhiko]

I've been visiting Mac Rumours for what seems like forever now, but this is the first time I've ever felt compelled to bitch about something in the forums. Actually, this is the first time I've ever really felt compelled to bitch at Apple, period.

I've been using Macs for about 8 years, after having to lean Shake for a job. As soon as the Intel Macbooks came out, back in the summer of 2006, I shelled out about 1200 bucks and bought a shiny, white, Core Duo Macbook (and then I upgraded the ram and hard drive to 2 gigs/100gigs).

Cutting the long story to a very short one, now it's 2010, Apple has discontinued Shake, seems to be discontinuing Final Cut Pro, and has effectively urinated on it's costumers looking for a serious upgrade to replace their half-working computers (in this case: me). I can't believe that in 4 years, all they can offer is nothing short of a minor spec update... basically doubling the processor speed, ram and hard drive of my machine, adding a graphics card but removing the firewire port in the process.

I don't want to rant on too much about this, because everyone here has heard a variation of this before but this is, in a word: ********. At this rate, it'll be 16 years before they put a terabyte drive in their cheapest laptop, and all of their proprietary software will exist in their App store for their mobile devices, and they won't even bother making anything for their computer line. Photoshop works just as well on a PC, Nuke is cross-platform, Avid has retaken the world, and Aperture just isn't that great.

It's really depressing to watch the company leverage down costs for their iPads, while refusing to do the same for their Macbooks. I have no idea at what point Apple abandoned it's commitment (maybe it never had one?) to "creative professionals" - dumb as that term is - but after years of using Macs, I can't think of one decent reason not to switch back to PCs.

I think you have spoken out a lot of people's feelings. But anyway, they're gonna sell like hotcakes. Apple is a consumer brand now, not really for creative professionals anymore.

Re: at what point Apple abandoned its commitment....
When it changed its name from Apple Computer, Inc. to Apple, Inc on 9th January, 2007.

[darkplanets]

The quality of responses to this is abysmal.

If you don't like it, don't buy it.

I hardly see how having an i7 isn't cutting edge, or even a 512 gb ssd. You cant complain about 8gb of ram either, especially when you can just buy it yourself. True, the graphics situation is so-so, but its better than the previous generation, and if you're trying to do graphics-card intensive work on a laptop, you're probably stupid or cheap. A 330M with 512mb vram with auto switching > many other options, if you actually want a battery life. It seems like most people forget about this aspect, and just want the best of the best with a crappy thermal overhead and no battery life. It also seems like many people forgot about the whole integrated graphics debacle with nividia...

Prices are out of your range?
Get a job, save money, or go buy a dell, acer, or whatever else.

[Pablo]

It's really depressing to watch the company leverage down costs for their iPads, while refusing to do the same for their Macbooks. I have no idea at what point Apple abandoned it's commitment (maybe it never had one?) to "creative professionals" - dumb as that term is - but after years of using Macs, I can't think of one decent reason not to switch back to PCs.

With the iPod (and iTunes), iPhone (and app store) as well as the iPad (and app store/iBooks), Apple is increasingly shifting from a computer company to a distributor of digital content...using the sought after hardware to lock in customers. They're throwing more effort into those things that are bringing in the revenue.

[Frosties]

What? you know other companies have done this already right?

It's rude to pull someone head out of the sand. ;)

[Eric S.]

I haven't seen anybody complain for real yet, so I'm going to do it:

WHERE THE ***** IS THE MACBOOK AIR UPDATE???

There you go.

(No, honestly, I'm pissed... do you guys think they're going to stop it?)

Who cares? :rolleyes:

Seriously, MBs and MBAs usually are updated separately.

Still iPad on Apple's homepage???
Does it imply the MBP update is not good enough? :D

Unfortunately, it's a clear indication of Apple's current priorities. :(

I have to say the 13" update is extremely disappointing on several fronts, and I'm certainly not unrealistic in my expectations.

I have to agree that the 13" is pretty disappointing. After all, my aluminum unibody Macbook has a 2.4GHz C2D, 4 GB RAM, and a 250GB HD, and it's a year and a half old now.

Well I skip this update. Will Apple ever goes quad-core? I have no desktop and do everything with my Macbook pro, and I run heavy applications like CAD and logic pro. So some find it useless in a laptop but I would really welcome a quad-core.

If your applications would take advantage of a quad-core, then you'd still get a definite boost from the four threads that Arrandale gives you.

[bheekuchatri]

As a first time Mac buyer, I am happy with the update... agreed C2D is old, but look at the value for money on the low end 13" pro for $1,199.00? there are many of us for whom it is still win, win ! -- somebody agree with me:mad: :):D

I have tried reading all posts, but it is still hard, considering the numbers ! :rolleyes:

is the word out on: i5 vs i7 on 15" ? for the price?

[MattSepeta]

If only windows were as usable as os x.

or better yet, if only apple stopped worrying about cramming more features into their retarded toys (tamPad, itouch) they could worry about cutting the price on their real computers that people use to, you know, create stuff.

[Uchiha1911]

Haha, I'm feeling so lucky. I got my MacBook Pro 13' EXACTLY 2 weeks ago, just called Apple and they're giving me a full refund, which gives me the option of purchasing a new and updated model =D!

[dwd3885]

Why purchase new at all then? Go refurbished old model or second hand. This attitude to not expect great things and up to date cost/performance ratio is just plain silly. This update hurts apple as a notebook choice and brand. In conclusion it's just another step in the gadget direction.

i always get refurb. of course, it's always been the newest model refurb.

[dwd3885]

Apple is a consumer brand now, not really for creative professionals anymore.


then charge consumer prices, not creative professional prices.

[NebulaClash]

but after years of using Macs, I can't think of one decent reason not to switch back to PCs.

Hello! Windows!

For many of us, Windows is not an option.

[lilo777]

The quality of responses to this is abysmal.

If you don't like it, don't buy it.

I hardly see how having an i7 isn't cutting edge, or even a 512 gb ssd. You cant complain about 8gb of ram either, especially when you can just buy it yourself. True, the graphics situation is so-so, but its better than the previous generation, and if you're trying to do graphics-card intensive work on a laptop, you're probably stupid or cheap. A 330M with 512mb vram with auto switching > many other options, if you actually want a battery life. It seems like most people forget about this aspect, and just want the best of the best with a crappy thermal overhead and no battery life. It also seems like many people forgot about the whole integrated graphics debacle with nividia...

Prices are out of your range?
Get a job, save money, or go buy a dell, acer, or whatever else.

And quality of your response is excellent :D "If you don't like it, don't buy it." Really? Very fresh thought. It has become a motto of Apple apologists. Did you know that there are different i7 processors? Some have 2 cores (used by Apple) and some have 4 cores whih some people would prefer. And... no BluRay, no USB 3.0, no RGB LED screens, no quad SSDs - not much of an update. Apple laptops have been lagging behind PC counterparts for a while now. Imagine what the gap will be in a year.

[novodigo]

A bit tempted to get the new 15". The higher resolution will be nice.

I'm getting my entry 15" model (2.4Hz). Personally I prefer the glossy screen, in this case the price with taxes here in Japan will be 168,800 yen or about $1.800.

[guzhogi]

So what would the advantage be to upgrading to the anti-glare hi-res rather than regular hi-res? don't the colors look more vivid on the regular hi-res? what about the speed on the HDD? why is 7200 better than 5400? doesn't that increase the heat? either way, it's a 15" i7 for me =D

For the screen, you kinda answered your own question: anti-glare. Some people don't like glare.

For the hard drive, 7200 means the platters in the hard drive spin around 7200 times a minute while the 5400 spin at, yup, you guessed it, 5400 times a minute. The 7200 rpm one, while it does produce some more heat, the extra rpms mean less time looking for data. How much that would effect you is hard to say; RPMs are not the only factor in hard drive speed. It also depends on how you use it.

[eyewobbles83]

Ive been waiting for a while and the wait has been worth it for me.

Spewing about no i5s or usb3 (vain hope) but i dont really care lol The 13" had a few updates that im happy about like the 4gb standard ram, better graphics and the $100 cheaper price point (australian).

Its an easy yes for me :)

Hope no one was majorly disappointed
(and if so theres always next update rofl)

[BruiserBear]

I have to agree that the 13" is pretty disappointing. After all, my aluminum unibody Macbook has a 2.4GHz C2D, 4 GB RAM, and a 250GB HD, and it's a year and a half old now.


and that cost you how much? I'm going to bet $1,500.



Honestly, I'm not in the market at all for a Macbook right now, let alone any computer, and I'm just puzzled at the negative reactions in this thread. Is this entire forum just turning into a denizen for Apple trolls?

What am I missing here? What did you really think the new Macbook Pro's should have? This update is just about exactly what I would have expected.

[dusk007]

For all those interested in the performance of the GT330M.
320M is still an unknown but probably close to a 310M.

http://www.notebookcheck.com/Welche-Spiele-laufen-auf-Notebook-Grafikkarten-fluessig.13827.0.html
It is German but everybody can read the numbers.

Also they definitely tested 512MB Cards and not 256MB. With most new Games 256 is enough for standard res of 13" MBP but for 1680x1080 I would say 256mb is a joke. There is once again a reason for us to shed out all the money if we think that at 1800$ + we shouldn't make a compromise like this anymore.


I am happy that they are still 16:10 and that you can order 1680x1080 but I was hoping for a more significant GPU upgrade. Also the 13" is somewhat disappointing. Everything else is like expected.
I need to see reviews to know what to make of all this batterylife claims. Especially in the 13" the increased a little too much. That looks like they paired a C2D P series with a GS45 that usually arrives with CULV CPUs. Abysmal IGP performance but definitely less power use than 9400M.

[cult hero]

I have a first gen unibody MBP and, truth be told, I LOVE this machine. However, I've been wanting to go to a 13" model for a while for a number of reasons.

Apple has managed to drive me crazy here! I know why the 13" machines lack i5s (graphics issue it seems) but... I don't want to change out my C2D for another C2D.

To make matters worse, I had been holding out for a resolution upgrade on the 15s, but broke down and got my unibody. NOW they offer them. I'm glad they finally allow for the automatic switching of graphics now. It was kind of a peeve with the 9600GT/9400M setups (although in all honestly, I rarely switch to the GT anyway).

Too bad Intel has insisted on being such a douche as far as licensing chipsets go, particularly when their graphics offerings are so weak. Furthermore, I wonder what Apple is gonna do on their next refresh. They can't keep using C2Ds indefinitely.

Oh well, probably best they didn't. I don't *need* an upgrade for any reason right now. :P

[Kiddo86]

I'm quite happy with these updates!

Just ordered the 2.66 i7 17" with 500GB/7200 HD...

I'd sell off my 2.4 Santa Rosa 15" MBP if I hadn't dropped it and put a minor dent in it a year ago. Guess I have 2 laptops now. :rolleyes:

[haruhiko]

then charge consumer prices, not creative professional prices.

Never. They need to make Joe the consumer thinks that he IS the creative professional after his purchase of the MacBook ***PRO*** with a three year old Core 2 Duo processor.

[D0rk]

Not happy with the new graphics card choice. The 330 is pretty weak. And I really wish they would have expanded the 512 video memory down farther in the 15 inch lineup.

I was so eager to spend my money today, but now i'll probably wait (again) for a few more months and try to find a 15 inch high-res antiglare on the refurb store.

[mike200015]

Do you guys think there will be any updates on these MBPs at WWDC? I don't remember if Apple has ever updated the notebooks so soon after a previous update.

[Mousse]

Wait for what? A battery life bump?

I'm waiting for the return of removable batteries.:D

[EBH]

How long do you think it'll be before an update of the MB? And what do you think the odds are for Apple to sneak in a mini update of the 13" MBP to new processors along with it? The update of MBP now makes the MB look lacking in tech that Apple obviously has, especially in battery time, so it shouldn't be too long. In the meantime Intel may have caught up with the production of the i-series... Do you follow my line of thought?

[dainja]

Sweet!

That 1680x1050 screen on the 15" is a wicked update!

Definitely think going to be purchasing an i7 15" with that screen. 17" is still tempting but this resolution might just make the 15" useable for music.

I will wait to see some benchmarks before upgrading my 2.4/4gb/500gig early 2009 unibody though. If it's a 50% increase, I'll go for it.

I like how the top end prices have dropped! This is almost the same price as what my midrange laptop cost me last year!

The 13" looks pitiful but the others seem to have gotten a nice upgrade. Pretty much what I expected.

[The Big Mac]

Has anyone been able to find one at a local store yet?

[jragosta]

Keep in mind they were using 25W Penryn Pxxxx processors just yesterday. The gains in battery life today are marginal except in the 13" model.

But the new graphics chips also use less power than the old ones - and they switch on the fly so you don't have to remember to turn off the high powered GPU when you don't need it. Result is significantly better battery life (if the specs are correct).

wow, i actually feel bad for all those 13" buyers who have been holding out for months for this update. Glad I got my 13" five months ago, this update would not have been worth the wait :D

Maybe not for you. Apple's page says that the new ones are up to 80% faster than the old ones for some things.

I wonder why so many people get "it's not worth it FOR ME" confused with "it's not worth it"?

um...automatic graphics switching is pretty huge.... and 10hr battery life

Yes, plus faster graphics and more virtual cores on the 15 and 17". Decent upgrade. Not stellar, but decent.

Unfortunately, I decided that my old 2.3 GHz Core 2 Duo 17" does what I need it to do and I"ll be using the laptop less since my traveling is slowing down, so I'm sticking with the old one. Too bad - I like new toys.

I don't really get it why people are upset there's no quadcore. I mean, everyone was eagerly expecting arrandale (right?), which is dualcore. No surprise in this update...

Equally important, if you have an app that benefits from a quad core, the i5 and i7 mobile have 4 virtual cores. Not quite as good as 4 real cores, but still better than Core 2 Duo.

The 13" MBP is C2D, not Core i5. You got hosed.

Yet another person who confuses "it's not worth it to me" with "it's not worth it".

For a huge percentage of computer users, C2D is more than adequate. Heck, that system is faster than the one I use every day - and I don't have any immediate need to upgrade. At some point, it's no loner about the specs - and for a large percentage of users, we've reached that point.

[Furrybeagle]

Now the only question is can I buy that high res 15” screen and stick it on my late ‘08…

[Moses]

I'll be passing on this update, for the following reasons:

1. No quad-core - for a laptop I'll need to last at least 4 years, it will need quad-core. Apple obviously doesn't feel the current quads can work in their enclosures.

2. Nvidia graphics - the 330 is a marketing name for a core that is now several years old, but which Nvidia keeps rebranding and passing off as a new chip. No thanks. I'd rather have an ATI 5000-series chip and have to switch chips manually, please.

3. $650 for a 256GB SSD? No thanks. Yes I could buy my own and replace it, but I'd rather Apple offer it at a realistic price.

4. The way these laptops were silently updated suggests to me a larger update is in the pipe.

So for now I stick with my 2006 MBP. Still in the market for a new MBP, but I can wait.

[paradox00]

To be honest I'm not that interested in upgrading to the new MacBook Pro line. Okay it has the new i5 and i7 intel CPU but hey it is not quad core and I am still happy with my 2 month old 2.8Ghz Core2Duo MacBook Pro and there are still loads I can do on it and besides I have my brand new iMac i5 quad core if I want to do powerful video editing and audio recording.

Art

There isn't a quad core chip because Intel doesn't make one with integrated graphics, which makes the graphics switching feature Apple is using impossible. That plus the fact that the chips themselves consume more power would result in dismal battery life. Honestly though, you shouldn't be considering a new mac given the fact that you have just recently bought two.

[lockstock88]

Lucky, Just decided to join the apple army and ordered my macbook Friday C2D 15" 2.66. Heard the news about release, went to cancel my order, Apple had already update my order with a new 15" 2.53 i5 with SSD, saved me $200 off the price too.

BTW Blu Ray is a dead dog. There is no way that technology is going to last, so i'm glad it wasn't part of my macbook, no way i'm burning money on the new laser discs. Yes I'm old enough to remember laser discs.....

[Eidorian]

But the new graphics chips also use less power than the old ones -True, 40 nm vs. the older 55nm.

and they switch on the fly so you don't have to remember to turn off the high powered GPU when you don't need it.I still wonder why Apple's claims it as their accomplishment.

Result is significantly better battery life (if the specs are correct).My point is that people are mistaking today's standard voltage processors for medium/low voltage ones.

[theydonotmove]

Apple is cheap, we saw it with the iPhone, and we're seeing it with the Macbook Pro, and we'll probably see it with the iPad.

would it kill them to throw a new processor into the 13 inch? of course, cause it's the most popular laptop, and they wouldn't want to put a new processor into the most popular laptop and give people ANOTHER reason to buy the cheapest one.

Whoever figured out the marketing BS to make macs so trendy must be effin rich by now.

they only upgraded the two high range laptops and they jacked up the price of the cheaper 15 inch.

i'm strongly considering sticking PC machines after this miserly move from Apple.

PS. Watch a cheaper revision of the iPad come out in a few months with all the features the first one lacked.

[Flackhead]

I bought mine 13inch MBP 2.4ghz 5 minutes after the store was up again, and they say i can expect 10 days for delivery :(

[vipergts2207]

Why are some people unhappy with the 330M GPU? Seems to be without cause to me. It's from the performance range of nvidia's mobile GPUs, which Apple has always gone with, 8600M GT and 9600M GT were from that range. And the comparison of GPUs that has been posted is misleading because the majority of the cards on the list are desktop GPUs. It's a no brainer that desktop parts outperform mobile parts. Not only that, but compare the 330M score to the previous gpu, the 9600M GT. The 330M gets a 467 to the 9600M GT's 333. A roughly 40% increase in performance seems like a respectable increase to me. :confused:

[CaptainJeff]

13" for me. Comparing the pricing from yesterday, I spent around $80 less (for 13" with RAM at 4GB) than I would have yesterday and get a slightly faster processor, somewhat better graphics, and a much improved battery.

Would have loved to throw in an i5 there, but oh well. When I need power, I have my octo-core Mac Pro at home. This laptop is about portability while still having plenty of power to do what I need to do on the road (web, office stuff, mobile platform application development), so the new 13" specs are pretty darn good. ment), so the new 13" specs are pretty darn good. :cool:

[lcs101]

Has anyone been able to find one at a local store yet?

I went to the Apple store in Nashville and was told they would not be getting the refreshed models until tomorrow or Thursday.

[Hattig]

a serious upgrade to replace their half-working computers (in this case: me). I can't believe that in 4 years, all they can offer is nothing short of a minor spec update... basically doubling the processor speed, ram and hard drive of my machine, adding a graphics card but removing the firewire port in the process.


So they doubled the CPU, tripled the HD, quadrupled the RAM, added a vastly superior graphics capability, upped Firewire to Firewire 800, upped the OS from 10.4 to 10.6, added 64-bit, made the case unibody, improved the multi-touch significantly ...

[Artmuzz]

Honestly though, you shouldn't be considering a new mac given the fact that you have just recently bought two.

Exactly, I already mentioned that in my post.


Art

[HexagramCMYK]

So I wonder if anyone can give me some guidance...
Currently I am still working on a Power Mac G5 from 2002 (1.6 ghz non intel) haha its a dinosaur at this point but still works sluggishly.
So its not that I want to upgrade I kinda need to when upgrading programs I use & needing the convenience of having a mobile workstation.
So i've been waiting since December for this update and well...here it is!
I'm not super bummed by the update...I guess just was hoping for a few extra features. To get to the point I'd like some advice on if I should upgrade now? (which I'm sure 99% of you will say yea!)
And then which 15" model to get...
I was thinking the mid level one...however for its price I'm considering either saving a few bucks and getting the lower level with a few BTO upgrades or the higher level since it has i7 among a few other options I would desire...basically will I not notice the extras the high level has over the low level or should I stick with the mid...I'm just confused which would suit my needs!
To give you background I'm a Graphic Designer who uses my computer for Adobe programs, Music Editing Software and basic Video Editing software.
Any advice would be much appreciated!!
:cool:

[thejadedmonkey]

$1799 WITH 256MB on the video card?!?!?!?! FTW!!!!!!

Come to daddy!!!!

THAT is what I was hoping for.... pro laptop on a KindredMac budget!

You do realize that Apple was offering 256mb video cards in the original Core Duo laptops that came out in 2006 - 4 years ago - and that Dell currently sells an ATI card with 1GB of video card RAM?

Why oh why oh why oh why would you want a 1080p display on a 13-inch screen?:rolleyes:

Because other, less "advanced" *cough windows cough* operating systems support something called "Resolution Independence", something Apple promised and never delivered. You can scale the fonts and UI up, while keeping a large resolution for working with images or watching videos. It's really quite nice actually.

[theMaccer]

I lol'ed so bad when I saw the pricing in the ADC Store.

[finalcut]

hrmm no usb3 and no i7 on the 17inch version :/

[bernardwill]

not expected a mobile nuclear power plant, or a oLed screen. But at least a bluray, and 1080p to 15" line, weak update. :apple::cool:

[Zadillo]

Apple is cheap, we saw it with the iPhone, and we're seeing it with the Macbook Pro, and we'll probably see it with the iPad.

would it kill them to throw a new processor into the 13 inch? of course, cause it's the most popular laptop, and they wouldn't want to put a new processor into the most popular laptop and give people ANOTHER reason to buy the cheapest one.

Whoever figured out the marketing BS to make macs so trendy must be effin rich by now.

they only upgraded the two high range laptops and they jacked up the price of the cheaper 15 inch.

i'm strongly considering sticking PC machines after this miserly move from Apple.

PS. Watch a cheaper revision of the iPad come out in a few months with all the features the first one lacked.

The price of the base model 15" went up because it now features dedicated/integrated hybrid graphics by default - the previous 15" model only had a 9400M.

And as others have noted, Apple's options were more limited with the 13" model, given the oddities of Intel's chipset licensing.

[lilo777]

Sweet!

That 1680x1050 screen on the 15" is a wicked update!

Definitely think going to be purchasing an i7 15" with that screen. 17" is still tempting but this resolution might just make the 15" useable for music.

I will wait to see some benchmarks before upgrading my 2.4/4gb/500gig early 2009 unibody though. If it's a 50% increase, I'll go for it.

I like how the top end prices have dropped! This is almost the same price as what my midrange laptop cost me last year!

The 13" looks pitiful but the others seem to have gotten a nice upgrade. Pretty much what I expected.

Compare that to 1920 x 1080 on Sony VAIO F.

[troop231]

What good is 1080p going to do if your laptop is right in front of you? Most people can't tell a difference between 720p/etc. at a close distance when it comes to TVs

[Ironduke]

Compare that to 1920 x 1080 on Sony VAIO F.

lol text on that must be so small

[tdream]

i3 isn't a "pro" processor. I'd be disappointed if it was used in the regular MacBooks, frankly.

Neither is the i5. Only the i7 is a pro processor. The i5 is mainstream and i3 is budget so knowing that what is apple doing?

I think they are trying to separate the lower end pro line, which is not really pro at all as some others have said, the base price for the 15 inch has risen and the 13 inch remains stagnant. There's a $600 difference between the base core 2 duo and base i5. I see this as a move from the apple of old. The good times are over and this is a reintroduction to high pricing. Giving the value of the Pro name again. And as others have said I think the 13 inch will eventually go back to just plain ol Macbook again. So really you have to pay $600 extra to get the real pro. Yet the i5 is a mainstream processor, old Apple is well and truly back!

[Eidorian]

The price of the base model 15" went up because it now features dedicated/integrated hybrid graphics by default - the previous 15" model only had a 9400M.

And as others have noted, Apple's options were more limited with the 13" model, given the oddities of Intel's chipset licensing.I haven't seen you in ages Zadillo. You should post more often. :D

At least we're back in a time where you can get a 15" notebook from Apple with discrete graphics under for under $1,999.

Compare that to 1920 x 1080 on Sony VAIO F.My eyes bleed on a 15.4" at 1920 x 1200.

[Fishman9898]

How much faster would the 17" with the 2.66 GHz i7 processor be over the 3.06 GHz 17" Macbook Pro I bought last year?

[Eric S.]

so the i7s are still dual core? I thought it would be quad core....

If you were following the rumors I don't know why you would have thought that, because they all said Arrandale.

jeepers creepers! people still cant be happy?

A lot of people had unreasonable expectations for this update, and the fact that it took so long just escalated those expectations. But clearly Apple does not consider their Mac line to be "magical and revolutionary" products, any more.

[mwayne85]

So, I'm curious.... Is anyone gonna get a BTO 512GB SSD for only an extra $1,450 on the 13-inch?!?? :p

[atomwork]

The quality of responses to this is abysmal.

If you don't like it, don't buy it.

I hardly see how having an i7 isn't cutting edge, or even a 512 gb ssd. You cant complain about 8gb of ram either, especially when you can just buy it yourself. True, the graphics situation is so-so, but its better than the previous generation, and if you're trying to do graphics-card intensive work on a laptop, you're probably stupid or cheap. A 330M with 512mb vram with auto switching > many other options, if you actually want a battery life. It seems like most people forget about this aspect, and just want the best of the best with a crappy thermal overhead and no battery life. It also seems like many people forgot about the whole integrated graphics debacle with nividia...

Prices are out of your range?
Get a job, save money, or go buy a dell, acer, or whatever else.

How can you say this, some ppl here are depending on raw power to render their jobs faster. It's not about trashing Apple, however all my life and work is build around apple. The tech is there, why not use it.

It's needed for apps like: Maya, Cinema 4d, After Effects etc... dual core i7 isn't quad core i7.

So to answer your questions: The more we can get under the hood the easier is to finish the job. I love to see a MacBook Pro Extreme.

Dual Quad Core, 32GB Ram, 1GB Video Card... Just to name the specs. ;)

[btrav13]

If I want to dual run windows 7 on a 15 inch model of the new MBP....is it worth paying all the way up to the biggest chip (i7) and 8GB of RAM or would the lowest chip (2.4 i5) with 4GB of RAM be sufficient? Or should I go middle ground and do the mid range 15 inch with 4 or 8 GB? Just need to know what my best option would be on a 15 inch to run both OSX and Win7. Thanks for anyone would would give me their honest opinion on how cheap I could come out of this.

[gatepc]

Yipee!!!! just ordered my first laptop/computer over one grand! I purchased the top end 15 inch model and spec'ed it out with 8gb's of ram and a 7200rpm 500gb drive. I also ordered a 24" cinema display to go with it! can't wait to get this thing in the mail :)

Note: also got higher res display :)

[rajulkabir]

To all those people saying "Why do they still include a DVD drive? or They'll be out of date soon - who uses CD's?... Just how ignorant can you get?!

Given these are 'supposed' to be Professional products, a DVD drive is the first feature you'd have on the list in terms of make-up. I study audio technology at University, and for all the countless people that have the MacBook's here, a laptop without a CD drive is about as useful as a chocolate teapot. We burn discs every week
I'm a "professional" and I haven't touched an optical disc in years (except when trying to rescue Windows machines for friends and family members). Nor have I seen anyone else touch one, except for the pirated DVDs they walk around selling at outdoor restaurants.

Everyone I know exchanges files on thumb drives. DVDs are too slow and the capacity is too limited for dealing with large files. And nine times out of ten the stuff put on them is ephemeral - in my desk I have a stack of dusty, useless discs containing obsolete data I'll never look at again but for some reason haven't had the heart to contribute to the landfill. I tried rewriting them but after sitting around for more than a few months it never seemed to work.

Even many years ago when I still did use optical discs, I never once in my entire life used one when I was traveling away from my own desk. So an external drive would have suited me fine.

Obviously I and the people I know are not the only people in the universe, nor are you and yours. But an external drive does seem like a good compromise, especially if you're burning them "every week".

[kiljoy616]

I don't see that the new video cards can do OpenGL 3?

So what is new then, just a CPU change?

[lilo777]

The price of the base model 15" went up because it now features dedicated/integrated hybrid graphics by default - the previous 15" model only had a 9400M.

And as others have noted, Apple's options were more limited with the 13" model, given the oddities of Intel's chipset licensing.

Intel oddities? Really? How about Apple oddities. Somehow"Intel oddities" do not limit options for any laptop manufacturer but Apple. Can you explain this?

[Zadillo]

Compare that to 1920 x 1080 on Sony VAIO F.

My brother has a Sony VAIO F11....... it's not bad, but the screen quality isn't really that great, and the overall build quality of the laptop is sort of cheap - not to mention that it's very large and heavy. The touchpad is also terrible.

Specs certainly aren't bad for the price, but I think there are clear differences.

[praetorx]

Already ordered mine... 15" MBP i7 @2.66GHz, 500MB HDD @7200RPM, Glossy HD display @1680x1050. Can't wait to get it, went with the 2-3 day shipping. was waiting for this for a couple of months :o

[rufus247]

I went to the Apple store in Nashville and was told they would not be getting the refreshed models until tomorrow or Thursday.

I too went to the Apple Store in Nashville and they told me it would be later today. Now I'm a little peeved.

[antxiko]

I'd also guess that the same 90% wouldn't notice if their processor was replaced by a G4. Faster processors don't make that essay type any faster.

i'm a programmer and i'm byuing the 13" because i need a new one now and i can't aford the 15" right now. I know whats the difference. Don't say things you don't know nothing about if you can't prove it

[Yamcha]

Is Apple Retarded? Seriously it annoys me that entry level Macbooks are still using Core 2 Duo? These are what 4 Years old!! they are soon gonna be discontinued, infact later in 2010 they will no longer be available.. Apple is clearly ****ing with customers. This is such a disappointment.. It's no surprise that Apple is overpriced, they have a much larger profit margin.. especially when it comes to laptops.. And I don't want to hear they use premium hardware, that is far from the truth.. I should know I build computers..

Anyway.. Apple needs to get there act together.. I really hope the new iMacs have Core i3/i5's.. If you know hardware then you know Core i Series are quite a bit faster then Core 2 Duo's..

[Eidorian]

Intel oddities? Really? How about Apple oddities. Somehow"Intel oddities" do not limit options for any laptop manufacturer but Apple. Can you explain this?Once again I'd like to know who green lit a 2 chip design for Apple's 13" notebooks with the idea that nVidia would be able to provide chipsets for eternity.

Core 2 Duo will have to be pried from Apple's hands.

[mrscrouge]

noob here. is adding hi-res worth it on the 15"? what can i expect from it?

[jamesryanbell]

noob here. is adding hi-res worth it on the 15"? what can i expect from it?

Yes. More screen real estate.

[the_wallcrawler]

For everyone ordering the anti-glare - can't you just get one of those screen covers and then have both worlds?

Do they typically have the anti-glare in stores? I don't know the difference.

[loudlove]

I ordered a MBP 13" last thursday and today it got cancelled and replaced with the new model with a revised delivery time. I'm glad I didn't miss the update but it isn't a giant leap forward or an astounding upgrade that will change anything too much, on the 13" that is. In the meantime I have to muddle through with this faultering beast. Still, new MBP at the end of the month!!! :D

[miles01110]

i'm a programmer and i'm byuing the 13" because i need a new one now and i can't aford the 15" right now. I know whats the difference. Don't say things you don't know nothing about if you can't prove it

I have no idea
a) what you're talking about
b) why I should care
c) why it's relevant.

Your a programmer... good for you. Does a faster clock speed help you code faster?

[Zadillo]

Intel oddities? Really? How about Apple oddities. Somehow"Intel oddities" do not limit options for any laptop manufacturer but Apple. Can you explain this?

It has to do with the need to use Intel HD integrated graphics with Core iX chips - which is why you commonly see those low-end core i3 systems bundled with Intel HD graphics only. Apple doesn't offer dedicated graphics in their 13" models (I would argue that they could, but that is another debate), so for them to offer the superior NVidia graphics, they have to bundle it with the older C2D CPU's.

Honestly though, I'm curious what difference it makes for most users. The main issues with a new CPU are improved battery life and performance - if the new 13" MBP's offer pretty fast C2D's and faster NVidia integrated graphics and up to 10 hours of battery, why do people think that is so bad? What would they get with a Core i3 and Intel HD graphics that they think would be better?

[alent1234]

I think you have spoken out a lot of people's feelings. But anyway, they're gonna sell like hotcakes. Apple is a consumer brand now, not really for creative professionals anymore.

Re: at what point Apple abandoned its commitment....
When it changed its name from Apple Computer, Inc. to Apple, Inc on 9th January, 2007.

most people i talk to don't want to spend anywhere near $1800 plus tax for a home laptop to surf the internet, email and facebook. its possible to convince them if the specs for a Dell/HP laptop were similar to a MBP, but not now. a similar Dell is $1100 plus shipping and tax. if someone asks my advice then i have to tell them that the $700 buys you better support, better battery and better build quality while a Dell is faster with games and most of the internet video out there.

[kenstee]

Looks to me that getting Apple pre-installed 8 (2 x 4GB) is as cheap as getting them yourself from a 3rd party and installing them yourself. Anybody find this RAM cheaper than $200 or so for a 4 GB?

[troop231]

Those increased batteries are almost on par with the iPad's, pretty impressive.

[lilo777]

Is Apple Retarded? Seriously it annoys me that entry level Macbooks are still using Core 2 Duo? These are what 4 Years old!! they are soon gonna be discontinued, infact later in 2010 they will no longer be available.. Apple is clearly ****ing with customers. This is such a disappointment.. It's no surprise that Apple is overpriced, they have a much larger profit margin.. especially when it comes to laptops.. And I don't want to hear they use premium hardware, that is far from the truth.. I should know I build computers..

Anyway.. Apple needs to get there act together.. I really hope the new iMacs have Core i3/i5's.. If you know hardware then you know Core i Series are quite a bit faster then Core 2 Duo's..

I agree with one exception. 13" is not an entry level. It's a smaller form factor which many people actually prefer. Just looks what Sony did with their 13" VAIO Z. It has better specs than 17" MBP.

[lcs101]

I too went to the Apple Store in Nashville and they told me it would be later today. Now I'm a little peeved.

I guess I'll try giving them a call later today and see if any arrived just in case.

[gødspeed]

I was worried I'd regret my $2700 17" MBP from last year. I don't. There are lots of things that would have made me regret it, like a significantly better graphics card or USB3.0, but the update as it stands is not a compelling one. I think a lot of people that were holding out for the update may instead opt for a refurbished 2009 model.

[gri]

WOW!

13" Macbook Pro BOUGHT!!!

4GB and i5 in a 13" model for 1199? SOLD.

Fantastic update and was more than I was hoping for.

Eh - what i5? It says C2D? Same processor as yesterday. And no dedicated but integrated graphic card...

[mark88]

Don't care what anyone says. To have a 1680x1050 display and not be able to view my BluRay movies is criminal on a machine this price.

[alent1234]

I haven't seen you in ages Zadillo. You should post more often. :D

At least we're back in a time where you can get a 15" notebook from Apple with discrete graphics under for under $1,999.

My eyes bleed on a 15.4" at 1920 x 1200.

good thing windows 7 has this cool feature to make the icons bigger without messing with the resolution. why can't OS X have it?

[paradox00]

I'll be passing on this update, for the following reasons:

1. No quad-core - for a laptop I'll need to last at least 4 years, it will need quad-core. Apple obviously doesn't feel the current quads can work in their enclosures.

http://www.intel.com/products/processor/corei7/mobile/specifications.htm

There is no quad core chip with integrated graphics for graphics switching. I think that is a greater concern than the increased power consumption of the chip.


2. Nvidia graphics - the 330 is a marketing name for a core that is now several years old, but which Nvidia keeps rebranding and passing off as a new chip. No thanks. I'd rather have an ATI 5000-series chip and have to switch chips manually, please.

A lot of people would not agree with you. The new ATI chips would be faster though.


3. $650 for a 256GB SSD? No thanks. Yes I could buy my own and replace it, but I'd rather Apple offer it at a realistic price.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010150636%201421446019&name=256GB


4. The way these laptops were silently updated suggests to me a larger update is in the pipe.

So for now I stick with my 2006 MBP. Still in the market for a new MBP, but I can wait.

The iMacs were silently updated months ago (with no updates since) with rather large changes, including a 27" version. I don't think Apple wants to hold too many media events. Keep waiting if you want, your perfect dream laptop will probably never come. There will always be something you want that it doesn't have. That said, I believe my MBP is also a 2006 version and I probably wont be updating for a while, but these specs have nothing to do with it. I'm just not in the market for a laptop right now.

[mdatwood]

Looks to me that getting Apple pre-installed 8 (2 x 4GB) is as cheap as getting them yourself from a 3rd party and installing them yourself. Anybody find this RAM cheaper than $200 or so for a 4 GB?

Newegg is ~$170 iirc. Also remember you can take the 2GB sticks and sell them to someone else lowering your overall cost of doing it yourself.

[Zadillo]

Is Apple Retarded? Seriously it annoys me that entry level Macbooks are still using Core 2 Duo? These are what 4 Years old!! they are soon gonna be discontinued, infact later in 2010 they will no longer be available.. Apple is clearly ****ing with customers. This is such a disappointment.. It's no surprise that Apple is overpriced, they have a much larger profit margin.. especially when it comes to laptops.. And I don't want to hear they use premium hardware, that is far from the truth.. I should know I build computers..

Anyway.. Apple needs to get there act together.. I really hope the new iMacs have Core i3/i5's.. If you know hardware then you know Core i Series are quite a bit faster then Core 2 Duo's..

That's certainly true of the Core i5's and Core i7's, but I'm not so sure that's true of the Core i3. Do you have any benchmarks that show that a Core i3 is significantly faster than a C2D, especially the ones now used in the updated MBP?

[Flackhead]

Please gtfo with the 1920x1080.

Macbook Pro is not a cinema, but a 'workstation'.

[kenstee]

For everyone ordering the anti-glare - can't you just get one of those screen covers and then have both worlds?

Do they typically have the anti-glare in stores? I don't know the difference.

1. Good idea. But, the 3rd party anti-glare filters also tend do darken the screen as well to an unacceptable level.

2. They usually have the regular NOT the anti-glare, matte finishes in the stores. For me it's no contest...anti-glare all the way. YMMV!

[gri]

Nice. Even the 13" now has discrete graphics. Though they are now using POS Intel integrated GPU's again.

Why does it say "The fastest integrated graphics on the market..." on the Apple page than?

[deus_ex_machina]

It is so so sad.

I would have been an first-time Mac buyer, I have waited since November for a Macbook Pro 13" Update and now this ****** crap.

I am very disappointed, I have waited too long and I need a new laptop. Apple forces me now to buy a PC because I can't wait for another update circle. What a ********** crappy company. Lost a new customer right now!

Bitter much? :confused:

[iphone1105]

If only windows were as usable as os x.

or better yet, if only apple stopped worrying about cramming more features into their retarded toys (tamPad, itouch) they could worry about cutting the price on their real computers that people use to, you know, create stuff.

Considering though they sell more Phones and iPad's and iPod's the their notebooks, why would you think different. Just asking

[jayjay07]

I'll be buying the 13" base model later on today.

[warki]

I thought I could jump onto the Mac boat.... I won't. I could actually but the pricing here in Germany(!) is ridiculous.
We have to pay 1,749€ for the cheapest 15" MBP, that's 2,376.85 $ currently. Who of you would be willing to pay that? That's more than the 17" costs in the US..

[GodWhomIsMike]

If I want to dual run windows 7 on a 15 inch model of the new MBP....is it worth paying all the way up to the biggest chip (i7) and 8GB of RAM or would the lowest chip (2.4 i5) with 4GB of RAM be sufficient? Or should I go middle ground and do the mid range 15 inch with 4 or 8 GB? Just need to know what my best option would be on a 15 inch to run both OSX and Win7. Thanks for anyone would would give me their honest opinion on how cheap I could come out of this.

The Core i7 that the Macbook Pro uses is NOTHING special, as it's only a very fast dual core. It's basically a quicker Core i5. Honestly, I don't know if I'd be willing to spend an extra $300, the only plus is that you get 512MB video memory and a slightly fast processor. That's your call.

If it was my money, I'd buy a Dell or an ASUS at this point for around $1000, and get a 14" or 15" notebook with a quad core Core i7 processor, 4GB DDR3, 500GB 7200rpm hard drive, and 1GB dedicated video (ATI 5450/5470 for the Dell and ATI 5730 for the ASUS).

I could not justify a Macbook Pro, especially if I would be using it mostly for Windows 7.

[findnemo]

Jeez Apple is just r**ing people.

This is just sad. 1680x1050? Finally after 4 years? Sorry we are at 1080 now for a 15"; and not even an i series for the 13"? Oh 256mb of Vram? LMFAOROAROAOFOSDFASFOWTFBBQ. That is all.

Hah you guys are taking it up the........yeah. Oh btw - not a troll - join date 2006. I own 2 macbooks/pro.

[Eidorian]

The main issues with a new CPU are improved battery life and performance - if the new 13" MBP's offer pretty fast C2D's and faster NVidia integrated graphics and up to 10 hours of battery, why do people think that is so bad? What would they get with a Core i3 and Intel HD graphics that they think would be better?I underlined the part I wanted to emphasize. I have to regretfully agree with you as well. Core i3 is rather underwhelming.

good thing windows 7 has this cool feature to make the icons bigger without messing with the resolution. why can't OS X have it?I'd be more concerned about text than icons. Changing icon size is a necessity on any modern OS. OS X has it as well.

[jreuschl]

At the very least, I think the $1499 13" should have had features similar to the i5 15" models. $300 increase for a little bump in GHz and 320GB vs. 250GB is a ripoff.

The last model at least bumped the RAM size for that price difference!

[ppnkg]

lame update. But then, this is normal for most mac updates. "Buy now if you need it, or else wait" remains the basic rule.

The difference today is that now that apple defines itself as a mobile company, I should start taking seriously the idea that apple may stop making computers in a few years. I'm completely dependent on macosx for what I do atm and therefore must come up with an exit strategy.

[alent1234]

text is OK as well and you can change the size without changing the resolution. i like to set my text to small to get the most area out of my monitors

they had the same feature on Vista, but i would never go back to Vista after using Windows 7 for over 6 months

[kenstee]

Newegg is ~$170 iirc. Also remember you can take the 2GB sticks and sell them to someone else lowering your overall cost of doing it yourself.

With the Apple EDU STORE discount it's about $180@. Not bad!

Good idea, but...Never had much success selling the older sticks......

[DaveGee]

Hmm, why do people complaine on taxes?

Complain about them?!?! Here in the US we actually went to WAR over them! :eek:

Perhaps it's something in our water supply...

[GodWhomIsMike]

$1199 and $1499 for all new laptop with a Core 2 Duo processor?

lol lol lol lollollolololllolololololololololololololol

must... stop... laughing....

Thanks for the laughs Steve... because that 13" Macbook is the funniest tech joke in a long time.

[nick9191]

Guys, apple fanbois and apple likers alike...

Everyone has to admit, this it the worst update for Macbook pros EVER...

Please someone explain to me how this is a great update, like some people are saying?
You haven't been a Mac user for long if you think this is a bad update. On the grand scheme of Apple's updates this ranks very high. I remember a Powerbook update in circa 2005 where they updated the screen res. That was it.

More money... with no added features... They still run $300-$600 higher than comparable laptops with W7, with less features!?
10 hour battery, strong aluminium enclosure, thin and light like a laptop should be, backlit keyboard, digital audio in/out, decent webcam, high quality display, Firewire 800.

Nope you're right, no features a PC doesn't have. Oh wait.

[alent1234]

lame update. But then, this is normal for most mac updates. "Buy now if you need it, or else wait" remains the basic rule.

The difference today is that now that apple defines itself as a mobile company, I should start taking seriously the idea that apple may stop making computers in a few years. I'm completely dependent on macosx for what I do atm and therefore must come up with an exit strategy.

Steve Jobs wants his 30% commission from the App Store back. you have to use a Mac, and he's going to price them to make sure he gets his money back

[ScottishDuck]

Please gtfo with the 1920x1080.

Macbook Pro is not a cinema, but a 'workstation'.

and workstations don't need screen real estate because?

[HLdan]

Darn darn darn darn... :(

My Mother-In law saw my late-08 13" MBP last month and said "i want one of those!"

So... heh heh... I knew the updates were coming out, so I convinced her to buy my old one for 1k, so I could upgrade to a nice, new, upgraded 13" with AT LEAST an i5.

But my evil master plan has been foiled!

:mad:

Yeah, that certainly reigns karma. :p

[Eidorian]

text is OK as well and you can change the size without changing the resolution. i like to set my text to small to get the most area out of my monitors

they had the same feature on Vista, but i would never go back to Vista after using Windows 7 for over 6 monthsSadly, I only used XP on this 15.4" notebook with the 1920 x 1200 display. I do believe I increased the font size on XP though to make it more readable than the standard DPI.

[btrav13]

[QUOTE]The Core i7 that the Macbook Pro uses is NOTHING special, as it's only a very fast dual core. It's basically a quicker Core i5. Honestly, I don't know if I'd be willing to spend an extra $300, the only plus is that you get 512MB video memory and a slightly fast processor. That's your call.

If it was my money, I'd buy a Dell or an ASUS at this point for around $1000, and get a 14" or 15" notebook with a quad core Core i7 processor, 4GB DDR3, 500GB 7200rpm hard drive, and 1GB dedicated video (ATI 5450/5470 for the Dell and ATI 5730 for the ASUS).

I could not justify a Macbook Pro, especially if I would be using it mostly for Windows 7/QUOTE]

Well it won't be for MOSTLY windows use....it will be 75% OSX use with occasional Windows 7 use...and to that end, I'm trying to figure out what people smarter than me would recommend in the 15inch lineup as a configuration.

[miles01110]

and workstations don't need screen real estate because?

Because you can only process so much output from the command line at once, obviously. ;-)

[DLovett]

Mail from Steve just now:

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/6238/sjobsmbps2.png

[Mpm277]

It's not a huge disappointment unless you had unrealistic expectations.

While I'm not currently looking to buy a new MBP, why would 1080P be an unrealistic expectation? Apple is supposed to be making computers with some of the best technology around, and you can find 1080P laptops everywhere nowadays for much much cheaper.

[troop231]

:p

[haruhiko]

most people i talk to don't want to spend anywhere near $1800 plus tax for a home laptop to surf the internet, email and facebook. its possible to convince them if the specs for a Dell/HP laptop were similar to a MBP, but not now. a similar Dell is $1100 plus shipping and tax. if someone asks my advice then i have to tell them that the $700 buys you better support, better battery and better build quality while a Dell is faster with games and most of the internet video out there. Yep. But talking in terms of build quality, weight and QC I'd highly recommend the Japanese brand Fujitsu. Their new SH560/760 lines are really really great. Dell's laptops are way too heavy and poorly made.

[lcs101]

I guess I'll try giving them a call later today and see if any arrived just in case.

I went ahead and called the Nashville store to see if I would get a different answer, and I was told they were expecting them at any point today. I guess I'll just keep checking in.

[alent1234]

You haven't been a Mac user for long if you think this is a bad update. On the grand scheme of Apple's updates this ranks very high. I remember a Powerbook update in circa 2005 where they updated the screen res. That was it.


10 hour battery, strong aluminium enclosure, thin and light like a laptop should be, backlit keyboard, digital audio in/out, decent webcam, high quality display, Firewire 800.

Nope you're right, no features a PC doesn't have. Oh wait.

you can get everything except 10 hour battery, aluminum enclosure and quality of build on moderately priced Dell or HP. With HP they will sell you a second battery, but the build quality sucks. I've always thought Dell had better quality.

a lot of Dell/HP laptops will even come with hardware theft recovery that can't be uninstalled or removed once activated

[GodWhomIsMike]

Mail from Steve just now:

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/6238/sjobsmbps2.png

bwahhahahahahahhahahahhahhahahahahaha

killer graphics? bwahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha

[nj-mac-user]

For those of you who want Apple to adopt Blu-ray, I don't think it's ever going to happen. Everything is going to online streaming. Apple can charge a higher margin by denying you Blu-ray. Get used to it...

But then what's to stop me from going out and buying the same movie on DVD that I would've bought on Blu-ray? This would only make sense if Apple completely removed optical drives from all MBP's.

[MacbookSlow]

With the Apple EDU STORE discount it's about $180@. Not bad!

Good idea, but...Never had much success selling the older sticks......

I'm seeing an 8GB upgrade at $360 for the 13", $360 for the 15", and $180 only for the 17".

Hmm, not sure if I want to keep waiting for another update or go with a Lenovo.

[alent1234]

:p

don't forget the tax

[MacbookSlow]

bwahhahahahahahhahahahhahhahahahahaha

killer graphics? bwahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha

LOL. Wow, the "!" in the email throws it over the top.

[rme]

whats better? a 2.66 core i7 or a 3.06 c2d?

http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench2/view/230213
http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench2/view/210968

The i7 is better.

Wonder if this http://anandtech.com/show/2902/4 has been fixed.

[Digital Skunk]

The Core i7-6xxM models are 2 core, 4 thread processors.

It makes me feel even better with my Late 2007 MacBook. :rolleyes:

Unless Apple decides to stop supporting the GMA X3100 to just run OS X.


5-6 hours of mobile battery life on a notebook is enough for me. I understand the penalties incurred for using the CPU and GPU while on the battery. It's also a MacBook Pro. You don't need to patronize your users. Please, tell me how much faster the Core 2 Duo 2.4 and 2.66 GHz processors are compared to the ones last week. :D

Apple appears to be reinforcing the purchase of older or refurbished models given the ho hum updates.

Didn't mean to patronize, it's just hard getting people to understand the other benefits of a laptop. Longer battery life is nice, as is a lighter chassis, but I wouldn't mind skimping on them for performance while on the go.

The refurbished store is my first stop whenever I visit the Apple Store, especially since Apple's price points haven't changed (for the most part) in years.

[Becko]

When will the new line be available at best buy ? ... on their website they're still showing the old models.

As for me I'm going for the 15" i7 model... I'm a 3D animator need the i7 power =O

[lilo777]

I thought I could jump onto the Mac boat.... I won't. I could actually but the pricing here in Germany(!) is ridiculous.
We have to pay 1,749€ for the cheapest 15" MBP, that's 2,376.85 $ currently. Who of you would be willing to pay that? That's more than the 17" costs in the US..

You still don't get it. The high price is the actual draw for many. When someone points out how outdated Apple laptops are, they can argue then that those are sore losers who can not afford Apple prices. :D

[Jack Lithian]

*

[Hattig]

i'm a programmer and i'm byuing the 13" because i need a new one now and i can't aford the 15" right now. I know whats the difference. Don't say things you don't know nothing about if you can't prove it

You'll want to get an external monitor then - any 1920x1080 / 1920x1200 should do. Thus you'll need the mini-DP to DVI adaptor.

Programming with any modern IDE on a 1280x800 screen can be quite painful, although doable for short periods.

The CPU power in the 13" is fine for programming.

[willdenow]

Gee, was I right or right?
Anyway, unlike everyone else, I'm pleased with the update. While the 13" didn't get arrandale, it got much better graphics with higher clocked C2D's.
They also have the higher res display on the 15" like all of you asked for , so stop complaining.

just because you drink the apple kool-aid for breakfast, lunch and dinner, and have the logo tattooed to a body part normally hidden by clothing DOESN'T mean you get to tell others who expect more to shut up. at one time, before corporations became the objects of religious worship, vendors actually responded to customer demand. today, it's the other way around, with some companies tossing scraps to their loyal customers and telling them that they're lucky to get that.

yes, these updates are disappointing. they are simply after thoughts, with apple throwing its customers a bone because they HAD to, in order to keep even the slightest bit competative. so what's not to like? no usb3; no esata; no blu ray (even as an option for crimeny's sake); no ssd's standard; and most importantly, no core i5 on the 13 inch models. you can't really call your products revolutionary, advanced, or magical when they lack features that 90% of your competitors have at the same price point. and given that i can obtain a version of snow leopard that doesn't require genuine apple hardware, you can't even say the os is the defining feature.

now, why is this happening? for different reasons, but it all boils down to where steve jobs wants to position the company, namely as an american Sony, a purveyor of mobile consumer electronics such as mp3 players, phones, tv set top boxes and tablets. and why does mr jobs like these devices so much? because he can make them completely closed environments where even the software you run has to be approved by and purchased through Apple. and i'm sure if jobs could figure out a way to turn back the clock on desktops and laptops, he'd find a way to close up those boxes too. and if there weren't enough evidence of this already given the anemic specs on offer, the dreadful state of bugginess of os x 10.6 upon release and the fact that resources for os x 10.7 are now being cannibalized in favor of iphone os 4 should pretty much complete the picture. apple just isn't that much into to its desktop and laptop offerings anymore, and it shows. apple changed its corporate name from apple computer, inc. to apple,. inc. for a reason. all these updates do is underline the fact and put an exclamation mark at the end of the statement.

[dreven79]

Anyone getting the 15" with the i7? Hope there aren't any heat issues. Is it worth the cash to upgrade the display to hi-resolution?

Now i have to cough up the cash.... painful exercise but guess i just have to bite the bullet.

I spent close to $ 2.5 grand on a Compaq B3800 XP based laptop like 5 years ago and it lasted me till last month. Was quite happy with that actually.

Hope the MBP lasts me at least 4 yrs. Can't wait to learn OSX. :)

[Zadillo]

Mail from Steve just now:

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/6238/sjobsmbps2.png

He's not really wrong - as has been noted, would you prefer a Core i3 and Intel HD integrated graphics, or to have the NVidia integrated graphics which perform significantly better?

And it's not like this is some low-end C2D - performance-wise, I don't see how a Core i3 would be a major upgrade - a Core i5, maybe......... but probably not at the price point Apple's looking at.

[nj-mac-user]

While I'm not currently looking to buy a new MBP, why would 1080P be an unrealistic expectation? Apple is supposed to be making computers with some of the best technology around, and you can find 1080P laptops everywhere nowadays for much much cheaper.

1080p is sooooooo overrated. I think the idea of it appeals to ppl more than the practicality.

[DaveGee]

It is so so sad. I would have been an first-time Mac buyer, (blah blah blah)... Lost a new customer right now!

Yea, well if you took some time to research the 'kinds/types' of hardware rollouts Apple is all but expected to offer, perhaps you wouldn't be so upset.

This is a VERY typical 'Apple Upgrade' aka 'Hardware Bump'...

When Apple makes any type of 'major platform shift' then sometimes it might be more 'cutting edge' or even 'current edge' but by and large what you are seeing today is right out of Apples playbook. Slightly below average specs with fairly premium prices...

Don't take this the wrong way, I happen to own lots of Apple hardware because I prefer the OS but I make no illusions to Apple being anywhere near the cutting edge in any of its computer products.

If you like the OS you buy the hardware they offer... OR roll your own, if you're up to the challenge and don't mind breaking a few ELUAs but that is not a discussion for this thread.

[mwayne85]

Mail from Steve just now:

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/6238/sjobsmbps2.png

Killer integrated graphics? At least I can play Oregon Trail on max settings. :p

[Travalle]

...

I've been using Macs for about 8 years, after having to lean Shake for a job. As soon as the Intel Macbooks came out, back in the summer of 2006, I shelled out about 1200 bucks and bought a shiny, white, Core Duo Macbook (and then I upgraded the ram and hard drive to 2 gigs/100gigs).
...


Are you really comparing your 2006 macbook with the actual 13'' mbp? Are you serious? They come from totally different planet, wake up!

[lilo777]

bwahhahahahahahhahahahhahhahahahahaha

killer graphics? bwahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha

Why the laugh? This graphics kills the owners when they compare their laptops to PCs.

[paradox00]

You still don't get it. The high price is the actual draw for many. When someone points out how outdated Apple laptops are, they can argue then that those are sore losers who can not afford Apple prices. :D

These laptops aren't outdated. Apple has long refresh cycles, so they get outdated later into their cycles.

[Hattig]

good thing windows 7 has this cool feature to make the icons bigger without messing with the resolution. why can't OS X have it?

I can do that on Tiger.

[ryero]

*agree*

wtf man
that's lame....guess I'll wait till next update. :\

$1199 and $1499 for all new laptop with a Core 2 Duo processor?

lol lol lol lollollolololllolololololololololololololol

must... stop... laughing....

Thanks for the laughs Steve... because that 13" Macbook is the funniest tech joke in a long time.

[miles01110]

Killer integrated graphics? At least I can play Oregon Trail on max settings. :p

Until you have to ford a river and your machine lags.

[Joey2250]

Suprised to see the new MBP's use Intel HD Graphics and NVIDIA graphics-previously models used 9400/9600 graphics.

I wonder if the chipset is still NVIDIA or a Intel 5-series one in the new models.

Next we'll hopefully see a updated MacBook Air.

You must not be up on what the Arrandale processors are. They force you to use the Intel graphics. You do not have a choice.

[r0cksteady]

Apart from some decent posters, this place is just full of smart-arse douches.

Happy to buy my 13 mbp & not return here!

Cheers for the few informative posts over last couple of days.

[lilo777]

These laptops aren't outdated. Apple has long refresh cycles, so they get outdated later into their cycles.

That might have been the case in the past but not with this refresh. These new laptops are outdated from the beginning. Just compare them to the offerings from Sony, DELL and HP: USB 3.0, HDMI, higher resolution, 4 core i7s, RGB LED backlit, BluRay and so on.

[u6crash]

Okay, maybe the update isn't a big deal for everyone, but I've been using a 13" MB since Feb 07, so all of these are leaps and bounds better than what I have now. It's really tempting to order one now, but I'm going to wait until after the first weekend in June due to some stuff going on now. Maybe by then I'll be able to save a few bucks on a refurbished one.

Hoping to spring for the 17" i5 with anti-glare. It's funny how the upgrading game begins. "For just an extra $50 I can get..."

I see a lot of people saying they'd just buy a cheaper Dell or HP or whatever. Isn't this MacRumors? Switching back and forth would be such a hassle every time one side came out with the next big thing. Besides that, I have too much invested in software over the years that runs on Mac to start buying software all over again.

[GodWhomIsMike]

I'm seeing an 8GB upgrade at $360 for the 13", $360 for the 15", and $180 only for the 17".

Hmm, not sure if I want to keep waiting for another update or go with a Lenovo.


Lenovo IdeaPad Y560 w/ Core i7: $1299

http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:category.details?current-catalog-id=12F0696583E04D86B9B79B0FEC01C087&current-category-id=536DDAD2272C43B4B4EFE41A7A5D7192


Intel® Core™ i7-720QM Processor ( 1.60GHz 1333MHz 6MB )
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5730 1GB
4 GB PC3-8500 DDR3 SDRAM 1333MHz
500GB 7200 rpm hard drive

It was on sale last week for $999 with a coupon code.

[Eidorian]

Didn't mean to patronize, it's just hard getting people to understand the other benefits of a laptop. Longer battery life is nice, as is a lighter chassis, but I wouldn't mind skimping on them for performance while on the go.

The refurbished store is my first stop whenever I visit the Apple Store, especially since Apple's price points haven't changed (for the most part) in years.I meant that Apple does not need to patronize its "Pro" users as if they were simply consumers.

I hope that clears up my earlier post. I never meant that you were patronizing. I do remember asking several years ago if users would give up a faster processor for a dedicated ATI X1300 for the Macbook. I remember you responded that you would.

[Zadillo]

Killer integrated graphics? At least I can play Oregon Trail on max settings. :p

Do you people not look at the details at all? The NVidia GT320M is a custom part apparently for Apple, and significantly better than the stock Intel HD integrated graphics (which is what Apple would have to offer with the 13" model if they didn't want to also include a dedicated graphics offering).

The previous 13" MBP had NVidia 9400M graphics which were similarly better than the comparable Intel integrated graphics option.

Again, short of Apple offering a 13" model with dedicated graphics (I wouldn't object to it, but it's not something they do), this is not really a bad option.

One of the biggest worries people had was that Apple was going to offer a Core i3 and Intel HD integrated graphics in the 13" model (a common combination seen on other laptops).

[warki]

You still don't get it. The high price is the actual draw for many. When someone points out how outdated Apple laptops are, they can argue then that those are sore losers who can not afford Apple prices. :D

I'm already looking for other laptops. But which ones? Best one I see would be the Dell XPS 16? Which of course is way cheaper than the MBP. It has a 1080p Full HD Display, 4GB Ram, 500GB, ATI Radeon 4670 1GB

[edcalgary]

What a joke...
For what you get for the money you spend on these new updates is preposterous.. aside from the increased battery life, there really is nothing to rave about...

I just bought a Asus G73JH-A2 w/ Core i7-720QM, 8GB, 1TB 7200 RPM drive, DVD+/-RW, 17.3in Full HD, Radeon HD 5870, Win 7 Home Premium 64-bit for just under $1700 Canadian which included a back pack and gaming mouse ... I sold my October 09 Macbook, sick of the slower than windows 7 OS and the heat too ...

My ASUS has a better graphics chip, does not heat up like the Macbook ( I swear I had a waffle iron sitting on my lap at times), it has the heating vents out of the back and Windows 7 does not have the habit of OS X which has the spinning beach ball occur more every-time a new Snow Leopard update comes out.. and the new stealth look of Asus looks great and is a durable rubberized finish...

My point is that Macbook Pros are way over priced and they need to change their ways as in offer more for the money people are spending if they want to truly got a larger market share for their laptops...