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entatlrg
Apr 13, 2010, 12:05 PM
I'll bet Sony Z sales spike today, lol.

Take the poll, please.



rotorblade69
Apr 13, 2010, 12:41 PM
With no MBA update today, what's your plans? Wait or buy something else?


"Hookers and Blow" :mad:











I really checked "Wait".

dudup
Apr 13, 2010, 12:59 PM
I have a MBA Rev. C (2.13ghz, 128 GB SSD model) that I love. Love. Really love.

It's been my main and only machine since July. For both home and work. I use it with 24" full hd displays and it's amazing. It's a very reliable machine. The only annoyance I have is HD flash video playback (I hate Flash, grrr).

Before that, I used to have a Rev. A and a 24" iMac, but when I started to use my own machine at work, I decided to sell the iMac and buy a more powerful macbook, since my most powerful machine was idling at home. I went for a 15" MBP but couldn't get used to it, and after a month I've switched to this Rev. C MBA.

Recently I've received a new MacBook (policarbonate unibody) at work. Great machine, I admit. Very fair for the price, specially here in Brazil.

But the point is: since then, my MBA is quiet at home. And I'm buying an iPad next week, which will probably address most of my usage at home, which is very light.

So today, after these updates, I've just bought a 27" Core i5 iMac, which's gonna be my primary machine. The iPad probably is gonna my mobile machine between work and home.

I'll probably keep the MBA as my DJing machine, with a very light OS X installation and music files. Just that. Problem is, I'll be changing my setup very soon and I'll be in need of 2 usb ports -- a real shame if you ask me. So maybe I'll trade it for a cheaper 13" MBP (or even a MB).

To me, the ideal duo is now a powerful desktop for content creation purposes, and an iPad for content consumption. I'll be keeping a laptop only because I'm a DJ, and my current setup demands it. But I have a strong belief that sooner or later I'll have an iPad-based setup.

If there were a new, more powerful MBA, i'd probably would bought in place of the iMac.

entatlrg
Apr 13, 2010, 01:05 PM
I have a MBA Rev. C (2.13ghz, 128 GB SSD model) that I love. Love. Really love.

It's been my main and only machine since July. For both home and work. I use it with 24" full hd displays and it's amazing. It's a very reliable machine. The only annoyance I have is HD flash video playback (I hate Flash, grrr).

Before that, I used to have a Rev. A and a 24" iMac, but when I started to use my own machine at work, I decided to sell the iMac and buy a more powerful macbook, since my most powerful machine was idling at home. I went for a 15" MBP but couldn't get used to it, and after a month I've switched to this Rev. C MBA.

Recently I've received a new MacBook (policarbonate unibody) at work. Great machine, I admit. Very fair for the price, specially here in Brazil.

But the point is: since then, my MBA is quiet at home. And I'm buying an iPad next week, which will probably address most of my usage at home, which is very light.

So today, after these updates, I've just bought a 27" Core i5 iMac, which's gonna be my primary machine. The iPad probably is gonna my mobile machine between work and home.

I'll probably keep the MBA as my DJing machine, with a very light OS X installation and music files. Just that. Problem is, I'll be changing my setup very soon and I'll be in need of 2 usb ports -- a real shame if you ask me. So maybe I'll trade it for a cheaper 13" MBP (or even a MB).

To me, the ideal duo is now a powerful desktop for content creation purposes, and an iPad for content consumption. I'll be keeping a laptop only because I'm a DJ, and my current setup demands it. But I have a strong belief that sooner or later I'll have an iPad-based setup.

If there were a new, more powerful MBA, i'd probably would bought in place of the iMac.

That's all good as you like to work from your desk.

Many of us like to do content creation away from desk/office and do it on an up to date powerful ultra portable ... Apple stepped out of that category today.

jetjaguar
Apr 13, 2010, 01:06 PM
i was really hoping for a mba update because i really wanted one but i ended up getting a 15inch i7 mbp

Manatee
Apr 13, 2010, 01:23 PM
I'll just keep carrying my 13" MBP until (if) there's an update to the Air. I've already promised my current Rev A Air to a nephew since I don't use it anymore.

I'm fine with most of the specs on the current (Rev C) Air, but I won't buy until it has 4GB RAM. Non-OS-X machines really aren't an option, although the competition's hardware specs reminds me how incredibly far behind Apple is with the Air.

gglockner
Apr 13, 2010, 01:25 PM
+1 dudup.

If you want to do 'serious content creation' while on the road, get the new refreshed MacBook Pro. It's going to be a great machine, especially if you upgrade to an SSD. It's only a matter of time until the Core i5 reaches the 13" model. In the meantime, if you really need that much power, you'll probably appreciate the larger screen of the 15" model anyway.

halledise
Apr 13, 2010, 03:02 PM
be patient - it'll happen.

give it 'til June, or possibly even before ;)

Huubster
Apr 13, 2010, 03:27 PM
I was willing to wait until June.

After analyzing the 13" MBP upgrade I've changed my mind. If the Rev D MBA specs were the same as the "next level" MBP I would be disappointed. And even the 13" MBP falls waaaay short of what has been predicted in this forum.

Vaio Z even outclasses "the next level" 13" and 15" MBP's. And probably also the expensive 17" one! And all that in the package of a 13" ultra portable.

No brainer for me. Just ordered my Vaio Z. Too bad for loosing OS X, but a modern dashboard in an old lousy car doesn't make sense to me.

Bye bye Apple.

gri
Apr 13, 2010, 03:33 PM
be patient - it'll happen.

give it 'til June, or possibly even before ;)

May buy a 1.86 RevC MBA refurbished privately for now and continue to wait. The real MBA will than be bought through work and the refurbished one will go to the Miss.

drjsway
Apr 13, 2010, 03:39 PM
The VAIO Z is much thicker than even the MBPs. If you would be happy with a VAIO Z, the MBA was not for you in the first place.

Synchromesh
Apr 13, 2010, 04:14 PM
Actually I plan to do nothing. I don't need any more power than my current MBA has to offer so there is not point getting something else for a long time. Hopefully won't have to even consider upgrading the laptop for another year or so.

Huubster
Apr 13, 2010, 04:56 PM
The VAIO Z is much thicker than even the MBPs. If you would be happy with a VAIO Z, the MBA was not for you in the first place.

Wrong logic. If it were an even much thinner pocket calculator your argument could still be used.

Weight is the same and makes it almost as easily portable as the MBA for me.

Having said that, the high end Vaio Z is even faster (on paper) than the more expensive 17" MBP. And almost as portable as a MBA...WOW! That's what I call "the next level"

drjsway
Apr 13, 2010, 05:55 PM
Wrong logic. If it were an even much thinner pocket calculator your argument could still be used.

Weight is the same and makes it almost as easily portable as the MBA for me.

Having said that, the high end Vaio Z is even faster (on paper) than the more expensive 17" MBP. And almost as portable as a MBA...WOW! That's what I call "the next level"

The VAIO Z is twice as thick as the MBA and thicker than any laptop Apple has made in years. Weight is only half of portability. I can fit more books in my bag if they were half as thin.

A big part of what makes the MBA so enjoyable to use is its slimness. The bulk of my wife's MB makes it less comfortable to use, on a desk or on my lap. And the VAIO Z is even thicker.

lily69
Apr 13, 2010, 07:35 PM
I thing the reason of Vaio Z being thicker is the optical drive.

tigres
Apr 13, 2010, 07:48 PM
The VAIO Z is twice as thick as the MBA and thicker than any laptop Apple has made in years. Weight is only half of portability. I can fit more books in my bag if they were half as thin.

A big part of what makes the MBA so enjoyable to use is its slimness. The bulk of my wife's MB makes it less comfortable to use, on a desk or on my lap. And the VAIO Z is even thicker.

Yes that is all true, however the meaning of his post (I think) was that
the MBA was passed over today. He moved on, and I don't blame him; he needed a portable and gave the business to Sony. Too bad for Apple.

sturmnacht
Apr 13, 2010, 08:04 PM
I thing the reason of Vaio Z being thicker is the optical drive.

Nope. It's the battery bulge. Without the bulge, the Z would have been a sliver over an inch thick.

The optical drive is within the area of the Vaio Z where the thickness is tapering off to .93".

gwsat
Apr 13, 2010, 09:00 PM
I have wanted a very lightweight machine for Web browsing and email for sometime. I had eliminated the iPad because of it's well known limitations. I really wanted a MBA if it's RAM was upgraded enough to let me run Fusion and Windows 7 in Unity mode. Unfortunately, that didn't happen today so I got an iPad instead. It isn't a real computer so my MBP has to still be nearby. Nevertheless the iPad is off to a pretty good start. Better yet, it cost less than a third of what I would have had to pay for a MBA.

Fraaaa
Apr 13, 2010, 09:16 PM
If the MBA will come with some nice features I'll buy one this september otherwise I'll probably just stick with my MacBook C2D '08.

I'll buy an iPad anyway.

mymoon
Apr 15, 2010, 12:02 AM
I have been using my MBP heavily for almost 3 years and even though it still works like a charm I realize that my needs probably match the MBA more. My wife is pushing me -- yes, I have a green light and some -- to replace my MBP and I was hoping for the same MBA refresh yesterday that many of you wished for.

I'm willing to wait. If no such refresh happens by the end of June of this year, however, I'll need to consider the new 13" or 15" MBP. They're great machines for sure, but I would be disappointed to make such a decision without also having to seriously consider a refreshed MBA with at least >RAM and larger SSD options.

I'm even thinking of ordering one of the SSDs with the MBP. Thoughts on this? :confused:

melchior
Apr 15, 2010, 12:24 AM
I'm even thinking of ordering one of the SSDs with the MBP. Thoughts on this? :confused:

don't buy any mac with an SSD. replace the drive yourself with an intel or ocz. not the crummy ones apple provides.

theLimit
Apr 15, 2010, 01:10 AM
I'm still waiting on an Air update, but in the meantime I picked up a 2.13 GHz Air for at a 30% discount locally. I've never had a laptop smaller than 15" and ~6 lbs, so I may get spoiled by the form factor of the Air. This will also give me a chane to see if I can work within the limitations or if I need to upgrade to a 13" Pro.

gri
Apr 15, 2010, 10:47 AM
I have been using my MBP heavily for almost 3 years and even though it still works like a charm I realize that my needs probably match the MBA more. My wife is pushing me -- yes, I have a green light and some -- to replace my MBP and I was hoping for the same MBA refresh yesterday that many of you wished for.

I'm willing to wait. If no such refresh happens by the end of June of this year, however, I'll need to consider the new 13" or 15" MBP. They're great machines for sure, but I would be disappointed to make such a decision without also having to seriously consider a refreshed MBA with at least >RAM and larger SSD options.

I'm even thinking of ordering one of the SSDs with the MBP. Thoughts on this? :confused:

Same here, including the green light (but my MBP is now 4 years old). MBA would fit my needs perfectly and complement the MP in the office. I am getting a refurbished 1.86 one now - and if the new one comes out this will be passed to my wife or sold. Reasoning is that I need one now for some heavy traveling coming up. If a new one comes out soon good, but I have at least used a MBA for the time I need it. If it doesn't (or is EOL'd) I at least have one.

stewie1
Apr 15, 2010, 11:55 AM
My first instinct was to wait. Then I said "screw it, I've been waiting since last fall." Then I looked at the thin and light alternatives... all involving tradeoffs I didn't want to make. Okay, so I priced out a 13" MBP... have it sitting in my cart right now. But then I wondered whether I'd regret the purchase... there is something about the MBA form factor that I love. I just want one. I just closed the deal on a used 1.8 128gb ssd with a wackload of accessories for just over a grand. Nervous about not having a warranty or Apple Care on it, but excited to pick it up tomorrow. I'm certain to enjoy it more than the MBP, it will be a great travel companion.

entatlrg
Apr 15, 2010, 01:33 PM
The VAIO Z is much thicker than even the MBPs. If you would be happy with a VAIO Z, the MBA was not for you in the first place.

That's not too accurate a comment imo. What's your point?

Weight and footprint on desk are more of a determining factor than thick thickness !! .... if my 13" MBP weighed 3 pounds, who'd care about it's thickness ... the Mac Book Air also wouldn't exist.

I have a 13" MBP and a MBA and I've ordered a Z to try out. It is a powerful machine, as or more powerful than the 13 and 15" MBP's with a weight of 3 pounds as with the Air and a very small footprint ... thickness doesn't become much of a factor now does it ... unless you're trying to stuff it in a envelope.

theLimit
Apr 15, 2010, 02:56 PM
I stuff my laptop in my briefcase, so thickness is pretty important to me. I was always very careful when closing my briefcase with my 15" MBP in there. Most days it was a tight fit.

Scottsdale
Apr 15, 2010, 03:10 PM
That's not too accurate a comment imo. What's your point?

Weight and footprint on desk are more of a determining factor than thick thickness !! .... if my 13" MBP weighed 3 pounds, who'd care about it's thickness ... the Mac Book Air also wouldn't exist.

I have a 13" MBP and a MBA and I've ordered a Z to try out. It is a powerful machine, as or more powerful than the 13 and 15" MBP's with a weight of 3 pounds as with the Air and a very small footprint ... thickness doesn't become much of a factor now does it ... unless you're trying to stuff it in a envelope.

Totally agree with you entatlrg. Both the MBA and Vaio Z are 3 lb. machines that could be considered ultraportables. It's just that the Vaio Z is more powerful than a MacBook Pro. I would probably be extremely happy with a Vaio Z or extremely happy with an MBA, but I wouldn't be happy lugging around an MBP. The most important factor for me is getting everything done that I need to in a lightweight machine. The next important factor is the thinness. The Vaio Z is a great replacement for someone who wants a new MBA with some power but they're not willing to wait for Apple. Those same people that buy the Vaio Z will probably look back to the MBA if Apple tries to make it current and relevant again. Just because I could be happy with a Vaio Z doesn't mean the MBA was never right for me to begin with...

caleby
Apr 15, 2010, 03:36 PM
Whoa! What the heck, man??!! The Sony Vaio Z is $1900. :eek: (Whenever I see a PC over the $1200, I weigh my options on what I'd have to sacrifice to get a Mac and gain: better OS, better built, more reliability, better resale value.)

I see that price for a non Mac and I think: "I might as well buy a Mac and be happy."

A base model MBP 15" is that price. I'll take the weight, tyvm.

gwsat
Apr 15, 2010, 03:48 PM
Totally agree with you entatlrg. Both the MBA and Vaio Z are 3 lb. machines that could be considered ultraportables. It's just that the Vaio Z is more powerful than a MacBook Pro. I would probably be extremely happy with a Vaio Z or extremely happy with an MBA, but I wouldn't be happy lugging around an MBP. The most important factor for me is getting everything done that I need to in a lightweight machine. The next important factor is the thinness. The Vaio Z is a great replacement for someone who wants a new MBA with some power but they're not willing to wait for Apple. Those same people that buy the Vaio Z will probably look back to the MBA if Apple tries to make it current and relevant again. Just because I could be happy with a Vaio Z doesn't mean the MBA was never right for me to begin with...
Scottsdale -- Your analysis matches my own. The Vaio Z is a terrific computer and for those who think that they can live without OS X, I can't think of a better choice right now. The 13 inch MBP, however, is just too heavy to qualify as an ultra lightweight -- it's not.

Despite just having bought an iPad as a stopgap after Apple didn't refresh the MBA when it updated the MBPs, I think it likely that I still will buy an MBA if Apple ups its RAM. If Apple puts two RAM slots in the refreshed MBA, so that I can bump it up to 6 or 8 Gb, I will definitely buy one. In the meantime, though, I am liking the iPad better and better, despite its limitations compared to real computers. For example, my MBP's Address book and iCal information are now synced to my iPad Contacts and Calendar.

Scottsdale
Apr 15, 2010, 03:56 PM
Whoa! What the heck, man??!! The Sony Vaio Z is $1900. :eek: (Whenever I see a PC over the $1200, I weigh my options on what I'd have to sacrifice to get a Mac and gain: better OS, better built, more reliability, better resale value.)

I see that price for a non Mac and I think: "I might as well buy a Mac and be happy."

A base model MBP 15" is that price. I'll take the weight, tyvm.

Actually, with the Sony Vaio Z one gets a hell of an OS in Windows 7, a better built Sony Vaio Z than any of the Mac notebooks, much more reliability because they don't ship out junk systems like Apple looking to capitalize on customer service image by just swapping the junk ones out with those who dare to complain, and try telling anyone who bought an original MBA for $1799 or $3099 that their MBA held its resale value.

Try telling anyone who bought a rev B 2,1 MBA with 1.86 GHz CPU and 128 GB SSD for $2499 on June 1, 2009 that their MBA holds resale value when the next day Apple released an update to a 2.13 GHz CPU with 128 GB SSD for $1799. The bottom line is the MBA is the worst Mac I have ever seen or remembered for holding its value... surely the Vaio Z will hold its value better than any of the MBAs have... in eight months the original high-end MBA went from $3099 down to $1299. In eight months the rev B high-end MBA went from $2499 down to $1349. And the rev C high-end dropped by $700 in one day from the previous day's rev B high-end pricing. Apple has really not done its MBA customers any favors at all in terms of keeping the pricing stable as it has had to dump the MBAs.

The Apple Mac computers advantages are not that they run OS X which is no better than Windows 7 to most who have truly known of and tested both. The advantage of the Apple Mac computers is they can run both OSes. That is why I want an MBA, because I can utilize both OSes. I run Windows 7 on my MBA for any entertainment work, because Apple will not give a damn about its customers who want to run Flash. In Windows 7, on my exact same MBA I use over 70% less CPU for Flash videos. Any entertainment or graphics are so superior in Windows 7 that it's not even worth trying in OS X anymore. OS X is a joke for entertainment... in fact, the iPad is a better entertainment device than a Mac. We need Macs to get real work, creation, input done.

I actually believe Apple is caring less and less for its Mac OS X operating system. One day I believe Apple will be better off just selling Macs that run Windows 7. Especially if Apple has its entire workforce stop development of future OS X versions as it has with OS X 10.7; according to reports, everyone possible has been moved away from any OS X work to work on iPhone OS 4.0 and the iPhone OS products. The competitive advantage of the Mac isn't that it runs OS X, it's that it runs BOTH OS X and Windows 7. If I had to run only one OS anymore, it would probably be Windows 7 because I want to use my MBA for entertainment too.

I would MUCH PREFER spending $2000 on a Sony Vaio Z over any of the current MBP offerings. The Vaio Z is much more capable, beautifully built, amazingly powerful and lightweight, and a more technologically advanced computer than the MBPs.

jdechko
Apr 15, 2010, 04:12 PM
Scottsdale,

I agree that the pricing is unfortunate, but at least for the original MBA with SSD, most people knew what they were getting into by buying a "new" technology in SSD. New technology always = more expensive in computers. Combining price drops with refurbished models somewhat exaggerates the price structure as well.

Still, I agree that for a Mac, the resale value as a percentage of original price is much worse than just about any other model after 27 months.

In any case, it will be interesting to see how much a $4k VAIO Z sells for on eBay in about 24 months. My guess would be that you'll probably get the same $600-800 that people are getting for original Airs (which, btw, seem to hover around $1k here in metro Seattle).

Also, I have nothing against Sony Computers. My first laptop was a VAIO R505GL, which still (barely) functions.

Scottsdale
Apr 15, 2010, 04:25 PM
Scottsdale,

I agree that the pricing is unfortunate, but at least for the original MBA with SSD, most people knew what they were getting into by buying a "new" technology in SSD. New technology always = more expensive in computers. Combining price drops with refurbished models somewhat exaggerates the price structure as well.

Still, I agree that for a Mac, the resale value as a percentage of original price is much worse than just about any other model after 27 months.

In any case, it will be interesting to see how much a $4k VAIO Z sells for on eBay in about 24 months. My guess would be that you'll probably get the same $600-800 that people are getting for original Airs (which, btw, seem to hover around $1k here in metro Seattle).

Also, I have nothing against Sony Computers. My first laptop was a VAIO R505GL, which still (barely) functions.

Wait a minute here. The valuation drops in the MBAs happen within LESS THAN eight months. So, the value of the $3099 original MBA was $1299 less than eight months later (imagine if it was bought five months in when it was still $3099 only to see the price drop to $1299 three months later). The valuation of the rev B MBA was $2499 to $1349 in eight months. We are talking less than eight months not 24 months. Sure, the MBA held value a little better from the eight to later months, but the point is the vast majority of the cost/value is lost in eight months with the MBAs.

Any computer is going to lose a lot of value in 24 months, but the MBAs drop their value faster within eight months than any other Mac I can ever remember.

gri
Apr 18, 2010, 11:28 AM
I really wanted a MBA if it's RAM was upgraded enough to let me run Fusion and Windows 7 in Unity mode. Unfortunately, that didn't happen today so I got an iPad instead.

And this is exactly the reason why Apple did NOT upgrade the MBA - so they could sell more iPads. Worked obviously...

gwsat
Apr 18, 2010, 02:43 PM
And this is exactly the reason why Apple did NOT upgrade the MBA - so they could sell more iPads. Worked obviously...
That Apple failed to refresh the MBA because it had feared doing so would hurt iPad sales is a very real possibility. I am not so sure, though. Had Apple upgraded the MBA in a way that gave it the horsepower to run all of my apps, they would have got the better part of $2,000 from me, not just $499. I can't imagine that they wouldn't have preferred that I buy an MBA. Even the current version of the MBA is significantly more capable than the the iPad but it's also exponentially (literally) more expensive than the iPad. Thus, I'm not sure how big a dent an upgraded MBA would have made in iPad sales. Whatever the real answer is, it's fun to speculate about, isn't it. :)

gri
Apr 18, 2010, 03:29 PM
That Apple failed to refresh the MBA because it had feared doing so would hurt iPad sales is a very real possibility. I am not so sure, though. Had Apple upgraded the MBA in a way that gave it the horsepower to run all of my apps, they would have got the better part of $2,000 from me, not just $499. I can't imagine that they wouldn't have preferred that I buy an MBA. Even the current version of the MBA is significantly more capable than the the iPad but it's also exponentially (literally) more expensive than the iPad. Thus, I'm not sure how big a dent an upgraded MBA would have made in iPad sales. Whatever the real answer is, it's fun to speculate about, isn't it. :)

It is :). And I admit that there are probably technical and other strategic reasons as well. But taking away sals from the complete NEW thing to a somewhat updated MBA is not what Apple is after. So, I hope that there will be an updated 13' portable line when C2D dies at the end of the year (MB, MBP, MBA) with new set of processors, including a reasonable low voltage solution for the MBA with good graphic card (not integrated Intel).

PsyD4Me
Apr 18, 2010, 08:51 PM
don't buy any mac with an SSD. replace the drive yourself with an intel or ocz. not the crummy ones apple provides.

i'd recommend Runcore

Scottsdale
Apr 26, 2010, 06:28 AM
I prefer Lenevo for PC, MBA for MAC. No ipad, and other brand pc.

I prefer Apple Mac/MBA for Windows 7 or OS X Snow Leopard. In fact, I believe Windows 7 flies around OS X on my MBA. If I want incredible results for HD playback, Flash or anything hitting the CPU/GPU, Windows 7 is stunning and OS X is stuttering crap. This should start to change as finally Apple is letting developers have low-level access to h.264 APIs.

For now, I am spending 75% of all days in Windows. I am not working so I do more entertainment and video stuff when I don't have client projects to work on. That means Windows 7 is the right OS for my MBA with those fun tasks. Sorta sad, but definitely true. If I had to have a more powerful computer than the MBA, I would definitely choose the Sony Vaio Z! Right now, I decided to give Apple until WWDC to give us an update. If WWDC comes and goes with no MBA update, I am going to give the Vaio Z a test run for two weeks.

PsyD4Me
Apr 26, 2010, 08:02 AM
My first instinct was to wait. Then I said "screw it, I've been waiting since last fall." Then I looked at the thin and light alternatives... all involving tradeoffs I didn't want to make. Okay, so I priced out a 13" MBP... have it sitting in my cart right now. But then I wondered whether I'd regret the purchase... there is something about the MBA form factor that I love. I just want one. I just closed the deal on a used 1.8 128gb ssd with a wackload of accessories for just over a grand. Nervous about not having a warranty or Apple Care on it, but excited to pick it up tomorrow. I'm certain to enjoy it more than the MBP, it will be a great travel companion.


wow that's a good chunk more than what for what I was getting ready to let go of mine. But i decided to wait it out...For now I got my wife's new i7 15" to tinker with. Funny thing is i think what made me reappreciate the MBA is the massive ammount of writing I have been doing on the go for my dissertation.
I wish that for the next MBA they can incorporate that black glass accent on the outside of the screen.

gwsat
Apr 26, 2010, 08:36 AM
For now, I am spending 75% of all days in Windows. I am not working so I do more entertainment and video stuff when I don't have client projects to work on. That means Windows 7 is the right OS for my MBA with those fun tasks. Sorta sad, but definitely true.
Do I assume correctly that you don't run Windows under a third party virtualization program but instead boot into a Bootcamp partition when you need Windows? If so, that's what I did at first. I soon decided that I lacked the patience to boot back and forth between OS X and Windows, so I started using the effective but memory intensive VMware Fusion virtualization program. My need for Fusion is the only thing that has kept me away from the current MBA; 2Gb of RAM just isn't enough for Fusion.

Scottsdale
Apr 26, 2010, 08:43 PM
Do I assume correctly that you don't run Windows under a third party virtualization program but instead boot into a Bootcamp partition when you need Windows? If so, that's what I did at first. I soon decided that I lacked the patience to boot back and forth between OS X and Windows, so I started using the effective but memory intensive VMware Fusion virtualization program. My need for Fusion is the only thing that has kept me away from the current MBA; 2Gb of RAM just isn't enough for Fusion.

Right, I BootCamp. I cannot put up with 2 GB of RAM shared first to the Nvidia 9400m leaving 1 GB for OS X and 768 for Windows 7. That is not ideal and doesn't even meet the minimum suggested RAM. Boot Camp is the only right way to get into Windows 7 right now. With 4 GB of RAM, the MBA would be much more capable for a virtual machine option.

gwsat
Apr 26, 2010, 10:00 PM
Right, I BootCamp. I cannot put up with 2 GB of RAM shared first to the Nvidia 9400m leaving 1 GB for OS X and 768 for Windows 7. That is not ideal and doesn't even meet the minimum suggested RAM. Boot Camp is the only right way to get into Windows 7 right now. With 4 GB of RAM, the MBA would be much more capable for a virtual machine option.
Thanks. After I asked my question of you here, I saw one of your posts in another thread that explained what you were doing. If Apple upgrades the MBA to only 4Gb of RAM, as you and I both think will likely be the case, I plan to hold off buying an MBA until I can get a line on what others have to say about their level of satisfaction with running Windows under Fusion in Unity mode with only 4Gb of RAM. Maybe that would work but i still have serious doubts.

stoconnell
Apr 26, 2010, 10:29 PM
I just tossed a vote in for wait; however, I don't really have any near term plans to update my MBA. For my current usage patterns, my REV B (1.86/SSD) model is sufficient. I certainly think doubling the memory could only be a good thing and better thermal management or chipset/cpu/gpu combination with lower power requirements (w/o taking performance hit).

Decrepit
Apr 26, 2010, 10:33 PM
If a new model of the MBA comes out, I will look very seriously at it. As it stands, I want to buy a notebook before August since I'm going on a long vacation, and think it would be improper to take my work laptop along if I'm not going to work.

If a new Air comes out and it's substandard, or if no upgrades happen, I'll go MacBook, MAYBE MacBook Pro 13". We'll see.

So I'm hoping they upgrade it in the next few months.

wildjohn999
Apr 27, 2010, 05:15 PM
I put in a quote to PowerMax for trade in on my old Macbook Pro 15 2.53 pre-uinibody (mit Applecare no less). I'll probably use the credit to buy a 2.66 MBP 13 and a Crucial 256GB SSD.

After that, I'll alternate travel and daily use between the new MBP13 and my current 2.13 MBA 128SSD. Whoever, gets shelved first goes up on eBay.

The MBA is great and I love throwing it into my bag for trips and going to work but I hate that the MBA overheats with daily use and flash video, loud fans half the time, lack of 4GB of ram for VirtualBox, no hope of ever playing games on it, about two hours of battery life, and the small-ish SSD.

Scottsdale
Apr 27, 2010, 05:43 PM
I put in a quote to PowerMax for trade in on my old Macbook Pro 15 2.53 pre-uinibody (mit Applecare no less). I'll probably use the credit to buy a 2.66 MBP 13 and a Crucial 256GB SSD.

After that, I'll alternate travel and daily use between the new MBP13 and my current 2.13 MBA 128SSD. Whoever, gets shelved first goes up on eBay.

The MBA is great and I love throwing it into my bag for trips and going to work but I hate that the MBA overheats with daily use and flash video, loud fans half the time, lack of 4GB of ram for VirtualBox, no hope of ever playing games on it, about two hours of battery life, and the small-ish SSD.

At least the Flash and HD video playback apps should start getting a lot better like they are in Windows as Apple finally has given h.264 API access to developers. It should stop all overheating problems.

gwsat
Apr 27, 2010, 07:20 PM
I put in a quote to PowerMax for trade in on my old Macbook Pro 15 2.53 pre-uinibody (mit Applecare no less).
After seeing your post, I checked out PowerMax online and was intrigued. Their trade in plan makes sense with Macs and their straight up, no trade, prices are not inflated. Have you done business with PowerMax before?

wildjohn999
Apr 27, 2010, 07:43 PM
Have you done business with PowerMax before?

No I haven't yet, I came upon their link on barefeats.com and figured I would give them a shot. I am currently waiting on them to get back to me.