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matt459
Sep 20, 2004, 02:39 PM
First off, would this be in the right place?

My grandmother wants to buy a computer to be able to communicate, access the internet, and basics things like that. I want her to get a mac, because this would be her first time using a computer on a regular basis. I think viruses, and popups etc.. would only cause her stress. She doesnt need anything new, and she doesn't want to spend alot of money. It would only be used for basics, and connecting her new digital camera. Budget, around 300-400 dollars. I don't deal with ebay, because i hear alot abot fraud and all of that bad stuff. So what do you recommend for the task?

varmit
Sep 20, 2004, 02:55 PM
First off, would this be in the right place?

My grandmother wants to buy a computer to be able to communicate, access the internet, and basics things like that. I want her to get a mac, because this would be her first time using a computer on a regular basis. I think viruses, and popups etc.. would only cause her stress. She doesnt need anything new, and she doesn't want to spend alot of money. It would only be used for basics, and connecting her new digital camera. Budget, around 300-400 dollars. I don't deal with ebay, because i hear alot abot fraud and all of that bad stuff. So what do you recommend for the task?

eMac would suit her fine. Simple all in one design and the cheapest Mac there is. Get an older one if you want to keep money to a minimum, 1Ghz to 800Mhz (800 at the lowest). Pricewatch.com and pricegrabber.com. Ebay is the best for this, but just don't give your money out, get a phone number, talk on the phone and what not. Just make sure they are who they say they are and that their address is real. I usually ask for them to send a letter as a way to verify address.

In Apple's special deals, they have this: eMac 1GHz/256MB/40GB/NO CD-ROM/NO MODEM for $529. But no CD-Rom and modem kind of kills it.

All I can say is, you get what you pay for, so cheap isn't always the best way. Might want to think about who this will go to after your GM kicks the bucket, which is going to happen. So think about future for this thing too and what the next person is going to want to do with it.

edesignuk
Sep 20, 2004, 03:13 PM
Might want to think about who this will go to after your GM kicks the bucket, which is going to happen. So think about future for this thing too and what the next person is going to want to do with it.Nice mate, nice :rolleyes:

Macmaniac
Sep 20, 2004, 03:21 PM
My best advice try and get her an Apple refurb, you could get an eMac pretty cheap. Also phone your local Apple dealers and see if they have any floor models for sale, they will be a lot cheaper then a new computer. Try and get her a machine with Panther on it, because it will be a lot easier for her to work with, and it has Universal access if she is hard of seeing.

zelmo
Sep 20, 2004, 03:28 PM
....after your GM kicks the bucket, which is going to happen....

Did you really need to go there, dude? :rolleyes:

Brettla
Sep 20, 2004, 03:32 PM
You could get a CRT iMac with a 400mhz or faster cpu, that computer would be just fine for internet and e-mail and they are alot smaller than the eMac which is also very nice but is bigger and has a much faster cpu than she will need, and i don't think the display size difference would be much of a big deal unless her eye sight is getting bad.

jtgotsjets
Sep 20, 2004, 03:36 PM
ebay is about the only way to go for your price point, unless you find a nice person on these forums.
you could get a well upgraded used iMac (CRT) with that much money, and it'd be fine for your grandma, I'm sure.

zelmo
Sep 20, 2004, 03:36 PM
You could get a CRT iMac with a 400mhz or faster cpu, that computer would be just fine for internet and e-mail and they are alot smaller than the eMac which is also very nice but is bigger and has a much faster cpu than she will need, and i don't think the display size difference would be much of a big deal unless her eye sight is getting bad.

If she's a grandma, and has a grandchild old enough to be computer savvy, then she's got to be at least 50 (or from West Virginia :D ), which means eyesight is definitely an issue. eMac is a better choice.

micvog
Sep 20, 2004, 05:10 PM
I posted a nearly identical question in the "Buying tips..." forum last week. vga4life provided a good link (http://www.lowendmac.com/imac/edeals.html) to eMac deals.

BTW, I set up a new combo-drive eMac for my Grandfather this past Saturday. He loves it and is picking it up a lot faster than I thought! :) I ended up getting it new since he decided he wanted a printer and Apple has the $100 rebate program.

chv400
Sep 20, 2004, 08:33 PM
Here are some sites
PoweMax
http://www.powermax.com/

PowerOn
http://shop.poweron.com/1-800-673-6227/index.asp?CartId=131387-ACCWARE-83PLDVZ72

Mac of All Trades
http://www.macofalltrades.com/

Small Dog Electronics
http://www.smalldog.com/

DV Warehouse
http://www.dvwarehouse.com/index.php/cPath/253_53

MacFan25863
Sep 20, 2004, 08:52 PM
Well, its obvious that she's gonna need at least a dual 2.5 G5, as well as dual 30in LCD's to be able to do that kinda work.



lol, just kidding!



I agree with everyone else who posted above suggesting the CRT iMac or the eMac would be the way to go. Of course, if you wait a few months, you may be able to get a 1G iMac FP for that price....

AliensAreFuzzy
Sep 20, 2004, 10:14 PM
..your GM kicks the bucket, which is going to happen.
Way to be sensitive :rolleyes:

DakotaGuy
Sep 20, 2004, 10:31 PM
When I left for Iraq back in Feb. I bought my mom, who is 62, a new 1Ghz eMac Combo. She picked up on it fairly quick and emails me everyday. She uses it mainly for surfing and emailing and loves it. I think I am going to get her a digital camera next, since she is ready to take the next step. Overall a great machine for her. She says it is really fast. Granted for how she uses it now, it probably has a lot of power in reserve!

MrJohnson
Sep 20, 2004, 10:40 PM
Why not just get a nice (*NEW*) Dell that actually had a warrenty and just put firefox/opera on there instead of IE?

Chip NoVaMac
Sep 20, 2004, 10:48 PM
As most have said her the eMac is the best way to go. Wit the right digital camera and an iSight camera, she would be ready to communicate and share her life with those that matter most.

DakotaGuy
Sep 20, 2004, 11:36 PM
Why not just get a nice (*NEW*) Dell that actually had a warrenty and just put firefox/opera on there instead of IE?

In my experiences Macs are actually far better computers for older people with little previous experience with a computer. They are not fighting viruses and they are very simple to set up and use.

Chip NoVaMac
Sep 20, 2004, 11:42 PM
In my experiences Macs are actually far better computers for older people with little previous experience with a computer. They are not fighting viruses and they are very simple to set up and use.

Same reason that I recommend the eMac.

tech4all
Sep 21, 2004, 12:45 AM
Might want to think about who this will go to after your GM kicks the bucket, which is going to happen.

Dude, that's not right. :rolleyes:

MacSA
Sep 21, 2004, 05:10 AM
In my experiences Macs are actually far better computers for older people with little previous experience with a computer. They are not fighting viruses and they are very simple to set up and use.

VERY true, i'm speaking from experience. A few weeks ago I spent many hours with a relatives PC (Theyr'e not old, just new to computers lol). It's slower than my 4 year old PC - I downloaded some antivirus software for them quite a while ago, they havent been keeping it updated, so I updated it, scanned the computer and found a virus. Downloaded a spyware scanner and found tonnes of spyware.

They don't seem to have any understanding of viruses or security issues and tend to click on anything and download anything. Needless to say, they're finding working with the computer very frustrating. I think if they'd purchased a Mac, at least some of those problems wouldn't have cropped up.

AmigoMac
Sep 21, 2004, 06:35 AM
If you DO love your GM, get a mac, she deserves more than a dual G5 2.5 GHz, one 30" would be ok ... :cool: and Powerbook when she goes out... be a good boy and love your grandma ;) ... But she will refuses it, get an iMac G4, it will fit nice in her room and will be proud of you... you should give what you would like to receive...

Abstract
Sep 21, 2004, 10:47 AM
Might want to think about who this will go to after your GM kicks the bucket, which is going to happen.
Seriously bad karma. I hope you bite the big one before matt459's grandma does, and if you do, can you donate your computer to me? Thanks. I'll be waiting. Hopefully, it'll be tomorrow so that I'll have your computer by next week.

FuzzyBallz
Sep 21, 2004, 12:02 PM
NM... dead display.

Chip NoVaMac
Sep 21, 2004, 12:14 PM
Keep in mind folks that a grandparent can be from 50 on up now a day. So there is a possibility of many upgrades from Apple in the future.

matt459
Sep 21, 2004, 02:29 PM
If you DO love your GM, get a mac, she deserves more than a dual G5 2.5 GHz, one 30" would be ok ...

I know she deserves a fast computer, but its not even a matter of money. I'm not buying this for her, im merely making suggesstions for her. If she was going to use it, then a new imac/emac would be questionable. But knowing her, this will be just another one of her shopping sprees. Shes going to get the computer, use it for a while then rarely ever. She was ready to go buy a dell, but i said wait, shop around and get some ideas first. So i'll be sure to show her some older emacs/imacs.

AmigoMac
Sep 21, 2004, 02:59 PM
Continue reading my post... she will be in love with a G4 iMac ... get her a 800 MHz ... it's a nice look, cheap option and far better than a pc...

tobio
Sep 24, 2004, 09:59 AM
I help out a friend of my grandma's whose typewriter packed in and decided she needed a computer so that she can do her correspondence and also go on this internet thing she keeps hearing about. She is very old and completely new to computers, so we got a 14" iBook. (She wanted to be able to stow it out of the way when not in use, and money is no object)

As she was a COMPLETE beginner the biggest thing for her was learning how to use the mouse. This is where apple have a great advantage over PCs in this area.
1) There is only one button so there is no confusion as to which to press.
2) It has the two "bits" on the side which you hold with your thumb and ring finger, otherwise she (at first) used to hold it sideways and get frustrated at the mouse not going where she wanted it to
3) Most importantly IMO you donít need to use your finger to press the button, you press with your whole hand. For oldies that are getting arthritis this is a godsend, also the single button means she can swap from left hand to right hand when she gets tired.

Now she is typing and printing her letters with appleworks, and putting her contacts in the address book, so that she can use groups to print address labels. In a few weeks I think she will be ready for email and the internet.

For mouse practice I strongly recommend Mouserobics (http://www.ckls.org/~crippel/computerlab/tutorials/mouse/page1.html) , and a lot of patients

Inkmonkey
Sep 24, 2004, 10:57 AM
Might want to think about who this will go to after your GM kicks the bucket, which is going to happen. So think about future for this thing too and what the next person is going to want to do with it.

Dude, let me know how it feels to burn in hell.

rueyeet
Sep 24, 2004, 11:09 AM
I know she deserves a fast computer, but its not even a matter of money. I'm not buying this for her, im merely making suggesstions for her. If she was going to use it, then a new imac/emac would be questionable. But knowing her, this will be just another one of her shopping sprees. Shes going to get the computer, use it for a while then rarely ever. She was ready to go buy a dell, but i said wait, shop around and get some ideas first. So i'll be sure to show her some older emacs/imacs.MacOfAllTrades (http://www.macofalltrades.com) has a "G3/600MHz iMac Graphite 256/40GB DVD 56K Generic Keyboard/Mouse" unit going for $399 in their "Older Macs" section. You'll probably want to wipe the drive ('cause they don't), do a clean install of Panther, and maybe install a little more memory, but it sounds like this machine (or similar) would do just fine for what your grandma needs.

I run Panther on a 366 MHz indigo clamshell G3 iBook (one of the ooooold ones), and it does okay except for some of the eye-candy effects like Expose. So a 600 MHz G3 ought to be perfectly usable under Panther.

In any case, I wouldn't recommend you get anything with less than a 500 MHz G3, less than a 20 GB drive (she WILL be doing photos, after all), or anything without at least a CD-ROM, modem, and Ethernet.

Another site that might help you out is Low End Mac (http://www.lowendmac.com). They have profiles that list the specs on everything Apple's ever made, which can help you figure out which models will be sufficient. Also, you can probably email webmaster Dan Knight for his recommendations for a machine in your budget that'll do Panther.

Chip NoVaMac
Sep 24, 2004, 11:31 AM
Dude, let me know how it feels to burn in hell.

Sad thing is that this thought process is all too real. I have seen relatives and friends "help" an elderly relation with a purchase. Everything from computers, to cars, to homes (even as far as getting credit insurance to pay off the item after death). All with the idea that it will be "theirs" after the relations passing.

Greed is a powerful thing. I have seen people circling like vultures over the belongings of people in the hospital, because it looked like they would not make it through.

In some ways it was a blessing when my Dad passed and left everything to my sister (very long story). In the end I thought I did better in the long haul. Maybe it is a karma thing.

iJoe
Oct 14, 2004, 10:37 AM
Might want to think about who this will go to after your GM kicks the bucket, which is going to happen.

I had to cough a mouth full of coffee out the window reading that! (My neighbours are liking me less and less..)

Anyway, an eMac combo would be ample. Unless she does a lot of video editing etc...

And inheritance almost always causes friction in the family, especially if they didn't make a will. (Sometimes even if they did make a will.)