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miles01110
Apr 15, 2010, 07:09 AM
This has been going on for a couple days now, but it's an interesting situation. The UK is just the latest country to suspend flights due to potential engine damage from minute silicate particles.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/16/world/europe/16ash.html?hp

The caption under the image reads:

An aerial photo shows smoke rising from the volcano under a glacier in the Eyjafjallajokull region of Iceland on Wednesday.

I just tried to pronounce that for approximately three minutes... couldn't figure it out.

Damn you Iceland!!! ::shakes fist::

Also, FlightRader24 (http://www.flightradar24.com/) has a neat thing where you can see that there aren't any airplanes in UK airspace (save one?).

Dagless
Apr 15, 2010, 07:23 AM
I think this is just flat out brilliant in a way that I can't put my finger on!

-Leigh-
Apr 15, 2010, 07:26 AM
Most of Europe's airspace will be closed by 15.30GMT today. UK airspace closed at 12.00BST. Seems very strange with no planes in the sky.

Hopefully this will be over very soon, if not, it could start affecting airports and airlines financially.

-Ryan-
Apr 15, 2010, 07:29 AM
I was due to be flying from Belfast City to London Heathrow at 5:35 this afternoon. After checking the departures (http://www.belfastcityairport.com/Flight-Information/Departures.aspx) page, it looks like I'm going nowhere. I'm not really too bothered, as it was work related! :D When I was first told, I thought it was another one of BMIs dirty tricks, but turns out it's not their fault for once!

unid
Apr 15, 2010, 07:31 AM
aeronaughts grounded by gaia spewing.
It'll be nice to have a pause in the contrails.

arkitect
Apr 15, 2010, 07:33 AM
It'll be nice to have a pause in the contrails.

It's a pity the day over Southwest London is cloudy… would have been wonderful to have a clear blue sky today. :)

miles01110
Apr 15, 2010, 07:38 AM
Looks like the next time someone wants air superiority over the continent they should enlist the help of an Icelandic volcano.

Stampyhead
Apr 15, 2010, 07:54 AM
Damned volcano... I've been in Bergen, Norway all week and I was supposed to fly home to London today. Guess that's not happening. I hope I won't be stuck here too long, although I can think of worse places to be stranded...

testcard
Apr 15, 2010, 07:57 AM
Now we'll never get those iPads.

Peterkro
Apr 15, 2010, 08:17 AM
I blame it on the sceptics talking about arresting the Pope,gawd be angry:

http://www.flightradar24.com/#

The web site is getting hammered so it's information on individual planes isn't working but there appears to be a solitary aircraft flying just south of London,very odd.

(it's call sign is MSAIRZ for any conspiracy theorists out there)

Queso
Apr 15, 2010, 08:20 AM
The volcano story is crap. The dust cloud was caused by someone cleaning the trophy cabinet at Eastlands ;)

Dagless
Apr 15, 2010, 08:34 AM
I thought (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhn8j7S4uKU) clouds came from volcanoes anyways?

iOrlando
Apr 15, 2010, 08:42 AM
so how many hummers would it take to be the equivalent of a volcano erupting? ah I love ironic situations.

ucfgrad93
Apr 15, 2010, 08:45 AM
Reminds me of just how powerful the earth is and how insignificant we are.

unid
Apr 15, 2010, 08:53 AM
Perhaps this needs a soundtrack
how about the excellent
volcano by turbo fruits

leomac08
Apr 15, 2010, 10:46 AM
Who has seen D2: The Mighty Ducks...

Yeah......................When Iceland attacks

except the U.S can't do anything about this.....:D

poor ducks.

SpookTheHamster
Apr 15, 2010, 11:12 AM
so how many hummers would it take to be the equivalent of a volcano erupting? ah I love ironic situations.

How is it ironic?

Volcanic eruptions can actually lead to cooling.

Heilage
Apr 15, 2010, 11:30 AM
Phew, I'm glad we didn't buy it. It's all covered in ashes now.

Oh well, buy low. We can rebuild it. We have the technology.

Disc Golfer
Apr 15, 2010, 11:41 AM
except the U.S can't do anything about this.....:D

What we need is some kind of volcano / earthquake far advance warning system so we can organize and invade before the troublemaking begins.

miles01110
Apr 15, 2010, 11:42 AM
What we need is some kind of volcano / earthquake far advance warning system so we can organize and invade before the troublemaking begins.

Yes, a region stabilization force if you will.

unid
Apr 15, 2010, 12:25 PM
Yes, a region stabilization force if you will.

pics or it didn't happen

leomac08
Apr 15, 2010, 01:25 PM
pics or it didn't happen
:o

theLimit
Apr 15, 2010, 03:04 PM
Power Rangers!

I literally laughed out loud. That rarely happens, thanks!

KingSleaze
Apr 15, 2010, 03:08 PM
What the US needs to do is pass some 'Cap and Trade' legislation on the world's volcanoes to limit the CO2 in the atmosphere that leads to Global Warming.:eek:

chrmjenkins
Apr 15, 2010, 03:09 PM
Peter Steele of the band type o negative passed away yesterday, so there have been jokes that he caused it. (He created a fictional country with a northern European sounding name, Vinland, and has Icelandic heritage).

Disc Golfer
Apr 15, 2010, 04:27 PM
Peter Steele of the band type o negative passed away yesterday..
Ah ****, bummer. :(

RedTomato
Apr 15, 2010, 05:43 PM
Joke of the week:

"Iceland, we said 'SEND CASH!' "



Also, FlightRader24 (http://www.flightradar24.com/) has a neat thing where you can see that there aren't any airplanes in UK airspace (save one?).


The web site is getting hammered so it's information on individual planes isn't working but there appears to be a solitary aircraft flying just south of London,very odd.

(it's call sign is MSAIRZ for any conspiracy theorists out there)

Explained on the BBC new website. It's a research plane. Quite interesting story actually. I read it a few hours ago but I can't find the story now. Dammit I'm getting old.

Peterkro
Apr 15, 2010, 05:45 PM
Explained on the BBC new website. It's a research plane. Quite interesting story actually. I read it a few hours ago but I can't find the story now. Dammit I'm getting old.

Well spotted I'll have a look and see what turns up.

It's on this page in a box titled Analysis:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8623806.stm

RedTomato
Apr 15, 2010, 06:03 PM
I found a bit of info in a box :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8623806.stm

A lone plane is in the skies above Britain tonight on a research mission to investigate the volcanic plume.

The aircraft - with scientists on board - is taking measurements of the height, density and position of the ash.

There are limits to what satellites and ground observations can discern about the plume.

Its flight path was planned to take it from Oxford to Prestwick to Lossiemouth to Newcastle and then back south.

Among the researchers on board are specialists in atmospheric science.

The aircraft - a Dortnier 228 - is managed by the government-funded Natural Environment Research Council. Its head of airborne research, Peter Purcell, described the plane as "extremely adaptable and capable".

"The instrumentation will allow the crew to safely monitor the atmospheric conditions as the plume is approached," he said.

The findings will be fed to Met Office to help improve forecasts for the plume's position.

Jaffa Cake
Apr 15, 2010, 06:32 PM
Apparently parts of Scotland are experiencing ash falls, (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8623950.stm) and they're expected to move southwards as the night progresses.

A chap from the Met Office says this is 'unlikely to cause any long-term health effects', but you just watch – this'll be how the zombie plague starts.

Dagless
Apr 15, 2010, 08:10 PM
A friend on Shetland says it smells of eggs and said something about their cat and ash. I've no idea if they're having a laugh at us southerners though! The Met woman person said we should expect a thin film of the stuff over cars in the morning. Why not the ground?

millar876
Apr 15, 2010, 09:26 PM
MI'M meant to be taking my dad on a secret holiday to Tunisia on Saturday for his 60 th birthday. How do you tell somone that they might not get to go on the holiday they don't know they're going on.

Voidness
Apr 15, 2010, 11:36 PM
Funny thing is my flight to the UK got delayed twice to far. First there was the British Airways strike, now a volcano erupted! Looks like I shouldn't be going there :p

Jaffa Cake
Apr 16, 2010, 02:22 AM
A friend on Shetland says it smells of eggs and said something about their cat and ash. I've no idea if they're having a laugh at us southerners though! The Met woman person said we should expect a thin film of the stuff over cars in the morning. Why not the ground?I think because it's likely to be quite a fine dust and will just be more noticable on the smooth, coloured surface of cars.

Not ours though. It's bloody filthy.

ScottishDuck
Apr 16, 2010, 03:00 AM
Very thin layer of dust in the sky over glasgow. I really mean very thin.

niuniu
Apr 16, 2010, 03:07 AM
Dad's stuck in London and sister has rented a car in Barcelona and will drive from there and take a boat to get into the country. Apparently some guy took a taxi + ferry from Belfast to London yesterday, cost him a cool £1000 :D

Probably put it on expenses though..

stridemat
Apr 16, 2010, 03:15 AM
At 0830BST, the air traffic control body Nats extended its unprecedented restrictions on UK airspace until at least 0100BST on Saturday.
news.bbc.co.uk

Guess things are going to get worse for airliners before they get better. I can only imagine the amount of problems the ash is causing.

On a side note one of my friends is stuck in Dubai:cool:

RedTomato
Apr 16, 2010, 05:04 AM
One of my daughter's teachers is stuck in South Africa. Her school starts on Monday after the Easter break - hope he can get back in time.

My partner has full time rehearsals starting on Monday too, and our babysitter (for our other daughter) is stuck in Latvia ... I'm gonna have to take time off work or something if she doesnt get back in time.

unid
Apr 16, 2010, 05:32 AM
The Grauniad has an article about the icelandic eruption in 1783, with after effects contributing to the triggering of the French revolution (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/15/iceland-volcano-weather-french-revolution). Resultant food shortages being the major factor so...

Will you join the riot

if there is no (organic airfreighted) fresh Peruvian asparagus in waitrose?

seriously though we may be seeing the effects of this for some time.

liketom
Apr 16, 2010, 06:26 AM
just thinking how much CO2 was saved in a day with all them planes not flying ?

miles01110
Apr 16, 2010, 06:31 AM
just thinking how much CO2 was saved in a day with all them planes not flying ?

Probably an inconsequential amount compared to the massive amount of greenhouse gases released by the volcano.

niuniu
Apr 16, 2010, 06:35 AM
Anyone else living in Edinburgh not feel so good? I'm always hungry and have a craving for flesh..

ScottishDuck
Apr 16, 2010, 06:45 AM
just thinking how much CO2 was saved in a day with all them planes not flying ?

I'll assume that's a joke.

liketom
Apr 16, 2010, 06:51 AM
I'll assume that's a joke.
nope just a question regarding the planes

yorkshire
Apr 16, 2010, 08:49 AM
Reminds me of just how powerful the earth is and how insignificant we are.

And then I just CHUNDERED, everywhare!


(on my gap yah)

iOrlando
Apr 16, 2010, 02:44 PM
Dad's stuck in London and sister has rented a car in Barcelona and will drive from there and take a boat to get into the country. Apparently some guy took a taxi + ferry from Belfast to London yesterday, cost him a cool £1000 :D

Probably put it on expenses though..

Belfast... thats not in Hungry right?

testcard
Apr 16, 2010, 02:47 PM
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Showbiz-News/John-Cleese-Monty-Python-Actor-Spends-3300-On-Taxi-From-Oslo-After-Volcanic-Dust-Cancels-Flight/Article/201004315605186?lpos=Showbiz_News_First_Home_Article_Teaser_Region_6&lid=ARTICLE_15605186_John_Cleese%3A_Monty_Python_Actor_Spends_%3F3%2C300_On_Taxi_From_Oslo_After_Vol canic_Dust_Cancels_Flight

unid
Apr 16, 2010, 03:04 PM
Hungry
that's in l'atelier right?

yg17
Apr 16, 2010, 03:08 PM
Belfast... thats not in Hungry right?

Errr....no, Belfast is in Northern Ireland. Budapest is in Hungary.

unid
Apr 16, 2010, 03:13 PM
Looks like we're already finding a use for those redundant airports

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8625564.stm

miles01110
Apr 16, 2010, 05:35 PM
Looks like we're already finding a use for those redundant airports

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8625564.stm

Good thing airport security is being taken seriously. I honestly don't get this; the country that restricted basically everything from carry-on luggage a few years ago (forcing passengers to sit staring straight ahead for their entire flight) is now letting joggers and kite-flyers onto a runway? :confused:

unid
Apr 16, 2010, 05:37 PM
That's Bristol

and they were staff

jr24
Apr 16, 2010, 05:43 PM
it's already been confirmed that the tv show LOST is to blame :p

http://www.borowitzreport.com/2010/04/16/volcanic-ash-cloud-turns-out-to-be-finale-of-lost/

miles01110
Apr 16, 2010, 05:45 PM
and they were staff

Oh, oops. Reading >>> me, obviously.

northernbaldy
Apr 17, 2010, 04:58 AM
I'm stuck in Hungary, my parents had to cancel their weeding anniversary trip to ireland and my sister is stuck in LA

but on a brighter note

my sister is stuck in LA :)


plenty of time for her to get me an iPad :D

northernbaldy
Apr 17, 2010, 05:01 AM
nope just a question regarding the planes

hmm, I would say that a HUGE VOLCANIC ERUPTION SPEWING OUT TONNES AND TONNES OF CO2 kind of makes the aircraft CO2 levels a little insignificant

Peterkro
Apr 17, 2010, 05:07 AM
hmm, I would say that a HUGE VOLCANIC ERUPTION SPEWING OUT TONNES AND TONNES OF CO2 kind of makes the aircraft CO2 levels a little insignificant

If the data used by this site is accurate the answer would appear to be somewhat different than most would think:

http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2010/planes-or-volcano/

djellison
Apr 17, 2010, 06:05 AM
I was expecting to fly out to LA, for good, at the end of this coming week. It looks like the bureaucracy is pushing that date right a little. However the geology looks like it would have trumped that anyway. It's going to be a seat-grabbing scrum once the dust clears - so I think I may be delayed more than a little.

unid
Apr 17, 2010, 06:17 AM
If the data used by this site is accurate the answer would appear to be somewhat different than most would think:

http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2010/planes-or-volcano/
beautifully done, the sources look credible from
http://bit.ly/planevolcano

I'll tell you what is ironic, that it takes a humongous spewing eruption to give us the first clear blue skies we've had for (π) years
thank you Eyjafjallajökull

Dagless
Apr 17, 2010, 04:44 PM
that it takes a humongous spewing eruption to give us the first clear blue skies we've had for (π) years
thank you Eyjafjallajökull

Heh yea. The sunsets here have been beautiful and the silence, heavenly! I had no idea it was just planes causing sound pollution at night. The only sound I've heard for the last half an hour has been my little iMac chugging away.

yorkshire
Apr 17, 2010, 06:14 PM
Heh yea. The sunsets here have been beautiful and the silence, heavenly! I had no idea it was just planes causing sound pollution at night. The only sound I've heard for the last half an hour has been my little iMac chugging away.

To be honest, the sunsets look the same as they have always done to me, IMO. Also, I haven't really heard less planes because barely any fly over my area anyway.
Just a quick question; do the planes that fly over britain emit more pollution than all of britain's cars?
I doubt it, I would have thought the skies would be much clearer if no one used their cars for 2 days, especially over the cities.

Jaffa Cake
Apr 18, 2010, 03:49 AM
I was expecting to fly out to LA, for good, at the end of this coming week. It looks like the bureaucracy is pushing that date right a little. However the geology looks like it would have trumped that anyway. It's going to be a seat-grabbing scrum once the dust clears - so I think I may be delayed more than a little.It's a plot to keep you here for the election, I reckon. ;)

RedTomato
Apr 18, 2010, 04:52 AM
More about that research plane, inc video and some shots of its sensors:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8626625.stm

A high-tech plane with sensors calibrated to find volcanic ash has landed after finding 'a lot of muck' in UK airspace.

Aeronautical engineer Dr Guy Gratton of Airborne Atmospheric Measurements, said he would advise against flying passenger jets in those conditions.

So it's muck what's mucking up our mucking planes. Thanks very much Dr Guy.

Jaffa Cake
Apr 18, 2010, 05:01 AM
I believe that science folk consider 'muck' to be slightly less severe than 'crap', so that's one thing to be positive about I suppose.

skunk
Apr 18, 2010, 05:26 AM
I believe that science folk consider 'muck' to be slightly less severe than 'crap', so that's one thing to be positive about I suppose.Thank goodness he isn't a farmer...

testcard
Apr 18, 2010, 05:31 AM
Time for Apple to design a solar-powered iPlane?

RedTomato
Apr 18, 2010, 06:14 PM
Time for Apple to design a solar-powered iPlane?

The back end of that plane is flying upside down.

opeter
Apr 19, 2010, 02:13 AM
It would be interesting, if the planes could not fly a month or eve more. Interesting in economical way.

RedTomato
Apr 19, 2010, 06:20 AM
It would be interesting, if the planes could not fly a month or eve more. Interesting in economical way.

Lovely article on exactly that issue in todays BBC news

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_8626000/8626927.stm

By Alain de Botton

The philosopher, writer and recent writer-in-residence at Heathrow airport imagines a world without aircraft.

In a future world without aeroplanes, children would gather at the feet of old men, and hear extraordinary tales of a mythic time when vast and complicated machines the size of several houses used to take to the skies and fly high over the Himalayas and the Tasman Sea.

The wise elders would explain that inside the aircraft, passengers, who had only paid the price of a few books for the privilege, would impatiently and ungratefully shut their window blinds to the views, would sit in silence next to strangers while watching films about love and friendship - and would complain that the food in miniature plastic beakers before them was not quite as tasty as the sort they could prepare in their own kitchens...

Peterkro
Apr 19, 2010, 06:33 AM
Reports of NATO (OTAN) F-16's sustaining engine damage after flying in European air space.Must say I'm loving the lack of planes in the sky although the military are still flying Chinooks over the house too often for my liking.

BA and other airlines asking for compensation off governments,twunts.

Queso
Apr 19, 2010, 07:01 AM
BA and other airlines asking for compensation off governments,twunts.
Brilliant isn't it? When planet Earth throws **** at any other business (the recent cold weather springs to mind) it can go to the wall, but BA has to live on to ensure our next year's summer holidays are totally effed-up by strike action :rolleyes:

It would be interesting, if the planes could not fly a month or eve more. Interesting in economical way.
I was thinking there could actually be an economic boost for home/EU producers, especially agricultural areas. How many flowers do we fly in from East Africa every week? Why can we buy Peruvian asparagus in Waitrose? These things are obscene when you think about it. Maybe the UK being cut off from all that for a few weeks without collapsing would actually do us good in the long term.

firestarter
Apr 19, 2010, 07:11 AM
I've been checking out the official Met office volcanic ash charts.

According to them, the volcano has now stopped. The charts show no more ash emanating - and the existing cloud disappearing in a southerly direction.

UK airspace is still affected at 6am tomorrow, but at the rate shown I guess we could expect UK flights to recommence late Tues. or at least during Wednesday.

D-Dave
Apr 19, 2010, 09:48 AM
Damn, my MBP is stranded somewhere between Shanghai and Cologne...sad, but when my Flight to Egypt will be cancelled next week...I'll be furious! That Holiday is so well deserved ;-)

testcard
Apr 19, 2010, 09:52 AM
I think the end may be in sight.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8630455.stm

unid
Apr 19, 2010, 10:38 AM
looks like there is still uncertainty

1623pm The Met office has warned that the volcano's activity has started to increase.

A Met spokesman told the BBC that whereas eruptions had subsided this morning to between 4,000 and 5,000 feet, they had increased within the past two hours back to a height of 10,000 ft.

Although this is not back to the initial maximum height of 30,000 ft, the spokesman said the unpredictable nature of the volcano's activity meant that there was still cause for concern.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8630145.stm

Some historical perspective
The Icelandic eruption 200 years ago lasted between 8-18 months (depending on reports).

unid
Apr 19, 2010, 12:25 PM
All the media attention on Eyjafjallajökull
appears to have made Hekla jealous
"the gateway to hell" has erupted in Iceland according to unconfirmed reports
http://www.businessandfinance.ie/cat_news_detail.jsp?itemID=1445
UPDATE:false alarm

arkitect
Apr 19, 2010, 12:29 PM
All the media attention on Eyjafjallajökull
appears to have made Hekla jealous
"the gateway to hell" has erupted in Iceland according to unconfirmed reports
http://www.businessandfinance.ie/cat_news_detail.jsp?itemID=1445
UPDATE:false alarm
No.
The stories have been withdrawn.
:)

Edit: OK
See you've updated at the same time.

Keebler
Apr 19, 2010, 01:02 PM
I've been checking out the official Met office volcanic ash charts.

According to them, the volcano has now stopped. The charts show no more ash emanating - and the existing cloud disappearing in a southerly direction.

UK airspace is still affected at 6am tomorrow, but at the rate shown I guess we could expect UK flights to recommence late Tues. or at least during Wednesday.

this is interesting b/c the last time this volcano erupted, almost 190 years ago, it lasted ...gulp... 2 years!

and they say there is another near it which is "due" to explode.

wowsers.

firestarter
Apr 19, 2010, 01:25 PM
this is interesting b/c the last time this volcano erupted, almost 190 years ago, it lasted ...gulp... 2 years!


Well, the problem isn't that it's erupting, the problem is that glacial water is getting down into the crater and causing rock to fissure explosively - and that's creating all the ash.

So it may well settle down into a more steady-state eruption, which doesn't involve throwing hundreds of tons of junk into the atmosphere.