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SoarEyes
Sep 21, 2004, 07:23 AM
Thinking of buying a 23 inch lcd. But am a bit worried about
the quality. Anybody have any experience with them? I hear stories
about a pinkish hue. Thanks

NCTRNL
Sep 21, 2004, 08:21 AM
From what I have heard and seen, they are absolutely amazing. Especially the new aluminum ones. They are beautiful...

wPod
Sep 21, 2004, 08:35 AM
from what i have seen of them in the apple stores, they are incredible. but, if you would like me to test one out for you for the long term use, i will be glad to e-mail you with my shipping address so you can send me one :-)

Bye Bye Baby
Sep 21, 2004, 09:34 AM
I use a 23 incher with my 1.5 ghz powerbook. It is truly amazing. Best screen I have ever had :) . Go right ahead and get one, colours are clear and bright, images are sharp. Everyone who sees it goes ooh ahh. Envy factor :mad: :eek:

NCTRNL
Sep 21, 2004, 09:49 AM
I use a 23 incher with my 1.5 ghz powerbook. It is truly amazing. Best screen I have ever had :) . Go right ahead and get one, colours are clear and bright, images are sharp. Everyone who sees it goes ooh ahh. Envy factor :mad: :eek:

You're doing exactly what I want to do with mine...but the price...is a little prohibitive...

SoarEyes
Sep 21, 2004, 11:06 AM
I use a 23 incher with my 1.5 ghz powerbook. It is truly amazing. Best screen I have ever had :) . Go right ahead and get one, colours are clear and bright, images are sharp. Everyone who sees it goes ooh ahh. Envy factor :mad: :eek:

What about the pink colourwash? thanks for the infoís

Andillo
Sep 24, 2004, 07:03 PM
While I don't own a Cinema Display 23 (yet), I went to some local stores to check them out.

Well, I saw two new 23 inch Apple displays, and they both are pink. At first, I didn't notice it and thought "nice, they're all right", but then, when I compared them to a 20 inch Cinema Display standing next to them, I saw the problem. Grey areas (like iTunes window) look a bit red/pink on the 23", but very neutral grey on the 20". Other colors, like green or blue, don't seem affected.

I tried to fix the problem with the expert calibration. You can change the white point to about 8500K, then most of the pink hue disappears. But then, the rest of the image looks very blueish.

It's not Apple's fault, it's the LG panel they're using. It is a bit pink and will be. Other displays which use the same panel (like the HP L2335) will have the same problem. It will only change once LG releases a new panel version, which could take about a year.

However, remember that if you don't know about the pink or if you don't have another "neutral" display to compare, you won't notice it. But it IS there.

Andillo

Mac2004
Sep 24, 2004, 08:36 PM
I just got the older 23 inch Cinema display and I can tell you that it looks so much nicer than the new one (resolution, feel, and looks). It also got better reviews too. I took the new one back and got the old one.

Read this article:

http://www.mac360.com/index.php/mac360/more/whats_wrong_with_apples_new_cinema_displays/

jimjiminyjim
Sep 24, 2004, 09:15 PM
If you're going to read the article that Mac2004 posted, be SURE to read the second page. That's where what the author really thinks comes out.

jestershinra
Sep 24, 2004, 11:32 PM
They're great. The looks are great, the quality is great, everything is awesome except for the pink twinge. You won't notice it if you don't have another monitor to compare to, and you can rid yourself of most of the pinkness through expert calibration. I own a 20", and I don't notice any pink, it's great.

Actually, at this point, I'd buy an older one. I think they're around $100 cheaper, which pays for whatever adapter you might need to connect your PB to the screen, and the only real difference is that the new ones have DVI and look different (better, IMO.)

nonamedvd
Sep 25, 2004, 01:16 AM
Got a question...

For those who bought Dual Processor 2.0 last year (2003).. are they eligble to upgrade the new graphic card (6800) for their 30'' since they aren't liquid cooled fan? I'm curious.

Thanks :confused: :confused: :confused:

SoarEyes
Sep 25, 2004, 10:26 AM
Went to an apple reseller today and saw both the 17 inch imac g5 and the
23 inch lcd. The 23 inch is beautiful but it definately has a pinkish hue.

So then I thought.... If I do go for a 20 inch, I might aswell go for the 20
inch imac and sell my single 1.6 g5 Because it makes alot more noise then the imac.

what do you think is this a good plan.... or is the 20 inch lcd in the imac of
lesser quality than the 20 inch display?

Thanks again

QCassidy352
Sep 25, 2004, 12:26 PM
what do you think is this a good plan.... or is the 20 inch lcd in the imac of
lesser quality than the 20 inch display?

Thanks again

yes, the imac 20" lcd is of lesser quality than the new 20" cinema. The imac uses the same screen as the previous generation of displays, and the new line has slightly better specs. However, the older 20" was still a very nice screen, and you won't be unhappy using that as your display.

Joeytpg
Sep 25, 2004, 01:30 PM
well i don't know why but i still like the old displays A LOT!.....in fact....if i was to get an apple display......i'd definitely go for the old 23" display..........it's cheaper and it looks and feels GREAT!...............even tho, the new one rock too.........but i don't know why............i still like the old ones a little bit better! :D



where can i buy the old displays???

Mac2004
Sep 25, 2004, 06:27 PM
I agree, the old 23 inch Cineam displays are really are great. I just got one and I like it better than the new ones. When these older 23 inch displays first came out they were selling for $3500!! Now you can get them at Comp USA or MacMall.com catalog for $1600.

jestershinra
Sep 25, 2004, 06:29 PM
Got a question...

For those who bought Dual Processor 2.0 last year (2003).. are they eligble to upgrade the new graphic card (6800) for their 30'' since they aren't liquid cooled fan? I'm curious.

Thanks :confused: :confused: :confused:

I'm not sure I understand your question, but I'll try to help.

The nVidia 6800 Ultra graphics card will work in any PowerMac G5. It will not only occupy the AGP 8X slot, it will also cover one of the PCI or PCI-X slots in your machine.

The PowerMac June 2004 series isn't totally liquid cooled. In fact, the only PMG5 to use liquid cooling is the new Dual 2.5GHz machine. The 2.0 and 1.8 still use the gigantic heatsinks.

Hope this answers you questions...

macaddictann
Sep 25, 2004, 08:42 PM
I just went to the Apple Store today to check out this display controversy.

My two cents:

I was really worried about the color being not as good on the 20-inch. It really isn't a problem. It didn't jump out at me. I clicked around, looked at a website, whatever, and it really didn't look wrong. Mainly, even though I theoretically prefer the clear plastic and don't like the brushed steel/aluminum effect, I prefer the new displays. Weird, but there it is. The edge is thinner, so there's less dead space. There's room underneath because you don't much see the stand with a keyboard in front. So it's very sexy.

I looked at the 23-inch while I was there to see about the pink tint, and yes, it's pink. I thought I'd need to see it next to another display, but I just looked at it alone as it sat there, and I noticed the pink. It would be enough to keep me from buying it, frankly, because metal isn't supposed to be pinkish. It's the principle of the thing.

Wolf112
Oct 4, 2004, 08:05 PM
I just went to the Apple Store today to check out this display controversy.
It would be enough to keep me from buying it, frankly, because metal isn't supposed to be pinkish. It's the principle of the thing.
>>>>>>>>>

I went to the Apple store too and explained this so called controversy to the guys there. They didn't know about it but were pretty unfazed when I showed them the very slight pinkish hue on their displays. It's a bit like an urban legend, once you know about it you see it too. They told me that calibration could take care of it (I doubt that). I did, however, trust the article http://www.mac360.com/index.php/mac...inema_displays/
(link posted earlier in this thread)
and bought my own display. Brought it home and, no pink!! So could it be the strong fluorescent lighting in the store? BTW, driving a 23" cinema display with a 12" PB G4 must be the coolest thing in a long time. The best of both worlds, fantastic!!

jaromski
Oct 4, 2004, 09:12 PM
yeah i bought the old school 23" display in july/02. it was $4g back then, plus i had to shell out $150 for a dvi->adc adapter. aah the price you pay for being an early adopter in tech.

i don't notice any pinkish hue, i only notice how exquisite the display is every time i use it. really quite wonderful. everybody should buy one. i want a few more but no more money. :(

plus it really pisses other people off when they see the monitor on your desk. and that is enough reason for me to live another day...

now i just need a sweet dual 3GHZ G5 and i will have the ultimate system! hopefully '05 will bring that to pass.

jaromski

earthtoandy
Oct 4, 2004, 10:55 PM
i went to an apple store today and made a point of checking out the hue. it is definitely there! but i played with the advanced calibration and although i didnt pay much attention to the process detail it did seem like it was cl;earing up quite easily.

James Craner
Oct 5, 2004, 07:05 AM
I have been doing some "research" on this, I am interested in the 23", but also have got concerned that I may buy a lemon (or at least a pink grapefruit).

John lewis (Bristol) had the new 23" AL and the new 20" as well as the old style 23" plastic displays. The brightness on the new displays is much better than the old, but the 23" that John Lewis had on display did have a slight pink tinge on the brushed metal effect round the windows, however as Andillo says other colours don't appear effected.

Also the white area on say a blank word page appears a truer white than on the old display or my Powerbook that I took in to compare. John Lewis (who are pretty honest and reliable) checked and they have not had one 23" AL display back, and appeared unaware of the problem until I mentioned it.

I also phoned a specialist Apple Retailer in Bristol, Western computers, who are often selling to professional users, and they said that they have sold 20 or so 23" displays since release and they have not yet had any complaints.

Just for a laugh I also contacted Apple UK store and they stated that they are not aware of any problems with the new displays.

Diatribe
Oct 5, 2004, 08:27 AM
Oh well, if I had the money I would buy two 20" anyway. You get the second display cheaper so it's not THAT much more than the 23" and two displays are always nicer than just one. But then again I don't have this money and I guess I won't for another year... anyone care to fund my displays? :D (it isn't tax deductable but you would know that what you did was for a good cause :D )

Mr. Anderson
Oct 5, 2004, 08:31 AM
Oh well, if I had the money I would buy two 20" anyway. You get the second display cheaper so it's not THAT much more than the 23" and two displays are always nicer than just one. But then again I don't have this money and I guess I won't for another year... anyone care to fund my displays? :D (it isn't tax deductable but you would know that what you did was for a good cause :D )

I just went to the Apple Store in Chicago this weekend and saw the 23" display for the first time - truly awesome :D

I'm getting a new mac soon and I had thought of 2 20"s but the thing is doing digital photography the 23" display allows for more room on a single screen. So I'll be doing that.

I might eventually get a second 23" - but funds are limited right now....the dual G5 will cost enough as it is.... ;)

D

Diatribe
Oct 5, 2004, 09:04 AM
I just went to the Apple Store in Chicago this weekend and saw the 23" display for the first time - truly awesome :D

I'm getting a new mac soon and I had thought of 2 20"s but the thing is doing digital photography the 23" display allows for more room on a single screen. So I'll be doing that.

I might eventually get a second 23" - but funds are limited right now....the dual G5 will cost enough as it is.... ;)

D

You do have a point. For stuff like that even the 30" would be nice but that's not the kind of stuff most people are getting it for... for most it's the wow factor. And for that I'd get two 20".

But yes two 23"... that'd be nice. Which G5 are you getting?

James Craner
Oct 5, 2004, 09:35 AM
< Slightly off topic>

While I know that many people do have a two monitor set-up, and I guess you get use to it, while I was in looking at the 23" monitors in John Lewis we had it connected to my powerbook in dual screen mode to compare the two screens. It was driving me mad opening an application and then dragging the document window to the other screen.

It must drive people nuts setting up all their documents over two screens. As I have not played with this much, perhaps their is an easy way of setting a dual screen system up. How does everyone else do this?

I also found it confusing watch my mouse disappear from one screen to the other. If I lost sight of the mouse, it kept taking me a while to work out which screen it was on.

I am sure you get use to this and it becomes second nature, but I must confess it put me off from getting two screens.

Mr. Anderson
Oct 5, 2004, 09:49 AM
I used to use dual crts a lot. I love it, especially when I'm working on Lightwave. I can have the modeler in one window and the layout in the other. I also use Desktop Manager, which gives me virtual screens. So if you use it regularly, you get use to it and its hard to go back to one screen.

As for what I'm getting..... the biggest one I can :D

I just moved and we haven't sold our house back in DC yet....once that happens, I put in the order. Although the closer to January I get, the more I'm thinking of holding out to see if upgrades come along. That or get a slightly cheaper one so I can buy the dual 23" monitors.

It will all depend on when the house sells.

Santiago
Oct 5, 2004, 01:17 PM
I bought myself an aluminum 23" display last week, and it's great. I certainly haven't noticed any strange tints to it, pink or otherwise. My only complaint, fairly minor, is the one pixel in the upper right quadrant whose blue component is stuck to on. It's only visible when gaming, fortunately, as pretty much anything else is light enough that it's invisible.

Champale
Oct 5, 2004, 01:31 PM
Ok, I was skeptical of the pinkish tint. So I stopped by the Apple store in Troy, MI today.

Pulled up three identical cnn.com pages on the old-style 17", new 20", and new 23" screens.

I was flabbergasted when lo and behold, the 23" screen truly did have a pink cast. All the text boxes which are pure white on the other screens showed a noticeable difference.

My friend who was with me noticed the same thing. Of course, we're both in advertising and he's a graphic designer but still...

The salesguy claimed he couldn't see a difference but admitted he didn't have a sharp eye for such things.

I don't know how you could have missed it...

So yeah, now I believe!

James Craner
Oct 5, 2004, 02:06 PM
I was flabbergasted when lo and behold, the 23" screen truly did have a pink cast. All the text boxes which are pure white on the other screens showed a noticeable difference.



Just to confirm, are you saying that it was the white areas that showed a pink cast, as the 23" that I saw on Friday it was the brushed metal effect round the windows that was a pink tint. The white areas on say a blank word document appeared more pure white than the old style 23" LCD displays, however that may be just because they are brighter.

ijimk
Oct 5, 2004, 04:44 PM
I know this is slightly off topic but i bought a new 20 inch and it is amazing i would not trade it for the world. I would have got the 23 inch but my wallet was not that deep. I say it is good monitor from what i have seen in apple stores. :D

Champale
Oct 5, 2004, 06:37 PM
Here's what I mean by the text boxes (pardon me if there's a technical term for it.) On the CNN home page, every section like Politics, US, World, etc. seems to have its own area with what should be white space around it. On the 23" I could discern a noticeable pink tinge in those areas.

However, on the new 20" display as well as the old 17" model, the same areas were pure white.

Hope that helps.

BigEvan23
Oct 5, 2004, 07:39 PM
I have a hard time spanning on my powerbook 15 inch and 23 inch cinema hd. They would have to be lined up directly in order make it usable or perhaps just using 15 inch display for palates or something. I just use the pb in mirror mode and have the 23 inch set up as the only active display. Once I get my G5 I think Im going to throw another 23 inch in there and go for the dual 23 setup with the dual g5. DUAL DUAL hmmm...I like the sound of that!

Evan

Diatribe
Oct 6, 2004, 02:43 AM
< Slightly off topic>

While I know that many people do have a two monitor set-up, and I guess you get use to it, while I was in looking at the 23" monitors in John Lewis we had it connected to my powerbook in dual screen mode to compare the two screens. It was driving me mad opening an application and then dragging the document window to the other screen.

It must drive people nuts setting up all their documents over two screens. As I have not played with this much, perhaps their is an easy way of setting a dual screen system up. How does everyone else do this?

I also found it confusing watch my mouse disappear from one screen to the other. If I lost sight of the mouse, it kept taking me a while to work out which screen it was on.

I am sure you get use to this and it becomes second nature, but I must confess it put me off from getting two screens.

I must admit I hate it when the two screens have different sizes, it drives me nuts. But when they are the same size I absolutely love it. You can do so many different things like keeping all the other stuff like iChat, Safari, iTunes, etc. on one and work on a picture etc. on the main one. Or you can watch TV on one and work on the other. Stuff like that. I adored mine when I had them. Now I am down to a 12" Powerbook... oh well.

Diatribe
Oct 6, 2004, 02:46 AM
I used to use dual crts a lot. I love it, especially when I'm working on Lightwave. I can have the modeler in one window and the layout in the other. I also use Desktop Manager, which gives me virtual screens. So if you use it regularly, you get use to it and its hard to go back to one screen.

As for what I'm getting..... the biggest one I can :D

I just moved and we haven't sold our house back in DC yet....once that happens, I put in the order. Although the closer to January I get, the more I'm thinking of holding out to see if upgrades come along. That or get a slightly cheaper one so I can buy the dual 23" monitors.

It will all depend on when the house sells.

I guess I would wait if you are not going to get it in October. It seems pretty obvious that something is coming beginning of next year. That is IF you can wait. If you cannot, just get it. As always :D
But be sure to be envied ;)

jaromski
Oct 6, 2004, 12:33 PM
< Slightly off topic>

While I know that many people do have a two monitor set-up, and I guess you get use to it, while I was in looking at the 23" monitors in John Lewis we had it connected to my powerbook in dual screen mode to compare the two screens. It was driving me mad opening an application and then dragging the document window to the other screen.

It must drive people nuts setting up all their documents over two screens. As I have not played with this much, perhaps their is an easy way of setting a dual screen system up. How does everyone else do this?

I also found it confusing watch my mouse disappear from one screen to the other. If I lost sight of the mouse, it kept taking me a while to work out which screen it was on.


I am sure you get use to this and it becomes second nature, but I must confess it put me off from getting two screens.

The best thing I have found for this is the "virtual desktop" concept. It really irks me that OS X doesn't have this concept built into the desktop; it can be found on KDE/Gnome desktops and it is really quite useful. But more importantly I have really become addicted to the virtual desktop concept because it allows me to logically group applications on each desktop. internet apps, cad, financial stuff, etc. all go onto their own desktop. Then you can program hotkeys to toggle between your desktops. The logical extension here is to have the same behavior for "real" desktops. You know quick key between your active desktop rather than moving windows back and forth, etc.

Now I know that OS X has Expose and all that is really neat eye candy but I still don't think it is as uncluttered as the virtual desktop approach. There is some "search" still required to toggle between your apps that you don't have with virtual desktops. I mean if you set up everything on the same desktop all the time then you find yourself memorizing the key combos to get what you need to get without even thinking. And isn't that the whole idea? :)


Perhaps I am off topic on your off topic, but what I am trying to get at is that virtual desktops really kill the need for separate displays in my opinion. Why not blow the wad on a 23" cinema and just virtualize your desktop? Unless you have the money to blow (it does add quite a bit to the WOW factor) and you _NEED_ two full desktops concurrently then I think it is overkill. That's not to say I wouldn't do it if I had the cash, but that isn't a good modus operandi when dealing with apple hardware. Can get you in the poor house quick...

jaromski