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Mazinger4
Sep 22, 2004, 12:20 AM
Hi mac enthusiasts, I recentely migrated to the mac wold and am having a heck of a hard time to aclimatize. The most bothersome and hard thing to figure out is "How to right click in mack"? I do not know how to drag items ot to open additional commands on an object without the right click button.
I play yahoo 'Pool" games in my old PC laptops, but can't using macs. I cannot shoot the que stick , since in PC you must right-click and drag, then release. Ive looked everywhere to find an answer to this incognita, but no luck. Can anyone of you help in this matter??
Also, doc documents are a pain in MAC. the MS office X that came in my laptop is only ficticious, it works for a few days where you cannot even print, then is shuts down and tells you if you want to use it you must pay 599 dls.
This sucks, since the only software that works is Apple's WORKS, and itdoes not fully support MS word docs. They look distorted and changed when opening with this software.
I am really frustrated. Any suggestions...
"The mac world is really complicated....!
Mazinger4
earthtoandy
Sep 22, 2004, 12:33 AM
hold the control button while you click.
dont worry you'll get it. alot of whats hard is just deprogramming your windows training. Welcome! :D
paxtonandrew
Sep 22, 2004, 12:35 AM
Hi mac enthusiasts, I recentely migrated to the mac wold and am having a heck of a hard time to aclimatize. The most bothersome and hard thing to figure out is "How to right click in mack"? I do not know how to drag items ot to open additional commands on an object without the right click button.
I play yahoo 'Pool" games in my old PC laptops, but can't using macs. I cannot shoot the que stick , since in PC you must right-click and drag, then release. Ive looked everywhere to find an answer to this incognita, but no luck. Can anyone of you help in this matter??
Also, doc documents are a pain in MAC. the MS office X that came in my laptop is only ficticious, it works for a few days where you cannot even print, then is shuts down and tells you if you want to use it you must pay 599 dls.
This sucks, since the only software that works is Apple's WORKS, and itdoes not fully support MS word docs. They look distorted and changed when opening with this software.
I am really frustrated. Any suggestions...
"The mac world is really complicated....!
Mazinger4
The Mac world is only complicated for those that have converted from an even more complicated universe...
Anyway, the right click is control(ctrl) click, or, spend a couple of dollars and buy a two button mouse, to make it easier to right click. Ironically, i have a M$ wheel optical mouse, what does the job, but is nothing special. It was on one of the old peecees at work, and i rescued it before the computers were returned. You can open .doc files using text edit, which is in your applications folder.
Just out of interest what computer did you buy? The Macintosh experience is a good one, and when these little problems are sorted, Macintosh will seem much easier and better to use but it will take a while.
earthtoandy
Sep 22, 2004, 12:36 AM
oh and as far as the other question... http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/ooo-osx_downloads.html
open office is a great program and fully supports .doc
PlaceofDis
Sep 22, 2004, 12:36 AM
to right click hold the control button and click, or get a two button mouse if that is easier for you, the Office problem seems to be from the fact that the Test Drive version is the only one that comes pre-installed on the pro machines, which limits what you can do with it, you can use Text Edit for a word processor if you like, or if you want total compatibility you are going to have to get MS Office just like you would have to on a Windows machine, however if you are a student you can get the Student and Teacher version for much less
edesignuk
Sep 22, 2004, 01:12 AM
Stuff Apple and their 1 button mouse, control click crap, do yourself a favor and buy a 2 button mouse for your Mac. It makes life SO much easier!
tech4all
Sep 22, 2004, 01:22 AM
For some reason I don't really have problem with Apple's one button mice. I got really used to it and don't really feel the urge to right-click anymore.
FuzzyBallz
Sep 22, 2004, 01:42 AM
1) Get a Logitech Wired (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0001LTT5K/qid=1095835185/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/104-7129870-4847110?v=glance&s=electronics&n=507846) or Wireless (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000C8Y55/qid=1095835185/sr=8-1/ref=pd_ka_1/104-7129870-4847110?v=glance&s=electronics&n=507846) notebook mouse.
2) MS Office that comes w/ Macs is a trial version.
kettle
Sep 22, 2004, 01:46 AM
The multi button idea is redundant, it assumes that you will always have one hand on the mouse, (true for PC users who only use computers for games) where in truth you'll always (most of the time) have one hand on the keyboard, probably two hands when using text processing applications (very common for I can't open word documents wingers). go and buy office or word for Mac, it's better than the PC version.)
I use so many short cuts that my left hand thumb is always on control option or command. the idea of having to move my right hand away from the keyboard to do functions that have been assigned to extra mouse buttons, really seems pointless.
Having said that, unless apple make a keyboard with three extra buttons on the left edge of the keyboard to operate exposé then I can actually see myself using a multi button mouse just for that operation.
I also think that the more people experiment with the way they work, the more chance of them appreciating the thought that went into things like a one button mouse. Adaptation is a very useful skill.
Abstract
Sep 22, 2004, 04:18 AM
There are one-button mice and multi-button mice. The multi-button mice won out because that's what users wanted. If it wasn't better, people would have tried it, hated it, and stuck with their single button mice.
Its like mouse evolution....survival of the fittest. Guess which mouse won? Can you also guess the reason why?
Control + Click = "Right Click"
Using a 2 button mouse: Right Click on Mac = Right Click on PC
And oddly enough for you: Apple + Click = Ctrl + Click on Windows ;)
So like others have said, get a 2 button mouse, and right click will still be "right click".
And MS Office may only cost $100-150 if you're a student. :) Its quite a good deal, and I think its the same as the one on Windows.
starrin
Sep 22, 2004, 07:16 AM
Sort of along the same lines -- in Windows when you right click you will see a prompt for 'New' where you can select from the drop-down a new text file or Word document. I really like this and was wondering if there is something similar in OS X?
7on
Sep 22, 2004, 07:32 AM
You're going have to buy Word since what you have is only the Trial.
FredAkbar
Sep 22, 2004, 08:29 AM
Sort of along the same lines -- in Windows when you right click you will see a prompt for 'New' where you can select from the drop-down a new text file or Word document. I really like this and was wondering if there is something similar in OS X?
Nope, as far as I know there isn't anything built-in to OS X that does this. Well, I guess you could open Terminal and type "touch filename" so you could create a text file like that, but most likely you're not familiar with Terminal, it can be a scary place if you don't know what you're doing :)
wPod
Sep 22, 2004, 08:33 AM
im a switcher (switched 2 years ago) and the best thing i did was get a 3 button mouse for the mac. i still hate the single button on the PB so i hook up an external mouse whenever i get the chance.
SiliconAddict
Sep 22, 2004, 08:41 AM
hold the control button while you click.
dont worry you'll get it.
Yep a one mouse button is so much easier. :rolleyes:
DavidLeblond
Sep 22, 2004, 08:46 AM
Get a mouse with 5 buttons (2 thumb buttons) and map the 2 thumb buttons to expose functions. Before I got my Mac, I thought the 2 thumb buttons were worthless but now I love them to death.
decksnap
Sep 22, 2004, 08:54 AM
Stuff Apple and their 1 button mouse, control click crap, do yourself a favor and buy a 2 button mouse for your Mac. It makes life SO much easier!
I gotta disagree with this- and Kettle hit it on the head. If you know what you're doing, the keyboard is a more powerful method than the right click. You're hand is there anyway, right, unless you're a gamer? The amount of 'Apple+...' shortcuts, 'Option+..', etc, etc, etc,.. in the OS and any app I'm running, (You're a designer, right Edesign?) plus the app switcher and expose means my left hand is permanently at the keyboard anyway-there's probably 100 commands I do through the keyboard. Right click seems very redundant. And although it's a matter of preference, you simply can't discount control+click as 'crap'.
SiliconAddict
Sep 22, 2004, 08:54 AM
Get a mouse with 5 buttons (2 thumb buttons) and map the 2 thumb buttons to expose functions. Before I got my Mac, I thought the 2 thumb buttons were worthless but now I love them to death.
Tell that to a future PowerBook user. Its asinine that Apple holds onto this inane, almost kindergarten like obsession to keep their systems neutered with a one button mouse.
I'm sorry but the idea that the one button mouse is simpler is stupid. As the originator of the thread deftly proved unless you KNOW about the keyboard shortcut you will never know that OS X has context sensitive menus. Alternatively if you have a two button mouse and you SEE that there is an alternative button you will try the button and see "hey! I get the features that are on the drop down menu. Cool!"
We aren't talking rocket science people. If a person can't figure out what a context sensitive menu is and what a right mouse button's purpose is they should go back to the afore mentioned kindergarten and bone up on their basic critical thinking skills. Just be sure to give then the nontoxic paste. :rolleyes:
SiliconAddict
Sep 22, 2004, 09:33 AM
you simply can't discount control+click as 'crap'.
Sure I can. Because if there was a two button mouse it would open up the option for users who want to take the context sensitive menu to the next level:
right click, left click, right-ctrl click, left-ctrl click.
Any way you look at it it's a neutering of the system by taking away basic functionality that has been on the PC since almost the beginning. Jobs and Apple are doing this for the sake of being different, not simple.
DavidLeblond
Sep 22, 2004, 09:46 AM
Sure I can. Because if there was a two button mouse it would open up the option for users who want to take the context sensitive menu to the next level:
right click, left click, right-ctrl click, left-ctrl click.
Any way you look at it it's a neutering of the system by taking away basic functionality that has been on the PC since almost the beginning. Jobs and Apple are doing this for the sake of being different, not simple.
I don't think they're doing this for the sake of being different. They use a single mouse button because Apple has ALWAYS used a single mouse button. As a longtime Windows user who just recently switched to the Mac, the ONLY time I feel like I need a 2+ button mouse is when I use Blender (which is impossible to use with a one button mouse, I've tried.) I have no problem with Ctrl-Clicking, and I found out how to do so from the manual (which if you start in a new environment without RTFM then its your own fault.)
decksnap
Sep 22, 2004, 09:51 AM
Silicon-
Sure you CAN, the same way I can disagree. See how that works? How many buttons does your keyboard have? How many more do you need? Quite honestly, the contextual menu is one of the least used keyboard shortcuts for me anyway. OS X is not really built to be contextual menu dependant.
tomf87
Sep 22, 2004, 10:05 AM
I say each person uses the mouse that suits their needs and preferences and let this discussion cease. I doubt anyone is going to convince another to "switch" to another mouse due to the number of buttons.
hcuar
Sep 22, 2004, 10:49 AM
For some reason I don't really have problem with Apple's one button mice. I got really used to it and don't really feel the urge to right-click anymore.
I 100% agree! I very rarely right click on the Mac anymore (control click).
zarathustra
Sep 22, 2004, 10:58 AM
I hate to bring this up, but when I was teaching my dad how to use his PC (HP) he CONSTANTLY pushed the wrong button. He still right clicks when he should left click and also double clicks internet links. When my mom got an iBook, I told her to click to select, double click to open. That's it. She was off and running.
I know we are not all "old and set in our ways", but newbies go mostly by intuition and for that purpose a one button mouse is better.
NusuniAdmin
Sep 22, 2004, 11:07 AM
Just out of curiousity is there a way to program your mouse system wide to say do a specific task, such as bring up force quit?
I have a 5 button mouse and 3 of them feel left out :(
FuzzyBallz
Sep 22, 2004, 11:08 AM
The perfect mouse for the multi-button challenged crowd.
http://img19.exs.cx/img19/4439/EasyBall.jpg
Designed for two to six year olds with a range of cognitive and physical abilities, EasyBall makes screen navigation fun and easy. Its stationary design means kids don't have to reposition the mouse when they run out of desk space, and its whimsical fried egg look and bright primary colors are inviting. EasyBall separates the act of pressing one large, easy-to-locate button from that of rolling the ball, helping kids to avoid accidentally moving the cursor.
slughead
Sep 22, 2004, 11:14 AM
Get a 4 button mouse like a mouseman dual optical. I love mine: Command click, right click, left click, option click, scroll wheel. all on the same mouse.
Hi mac enthusiasts, I recentely migrated to the mac wold and am having a heck of a hard time to aclimatize. The most bothersome and hard thing to figure out is "How to right click in mack"? I do not know how to drag items ot to open additional commands on an object without the right click button.
I play yahoo 'Pool" games in my old PC laptops, but can't using macs. I cannot shoot the que stick , since in PC you must right-click and drag, then release. Ive looked everywhere to find an answer to this incognita, but no luck. Can anyone of you help in this matter??
Also, doc documents are a pain in MAC. the MS office X that came in my laptop is only ficticious, it works for a few days where you cannot even print, then is shuts down and tells you if you want to use it you must pay 599 dls.
This sucks, since the only software that works is Apple's WORKS, and itdoes not fully support MS word docs. They look distorted and changed when opening with this software.
I am really frustrated. Any suggestions...
"The mac world is really complicated....!
Mazinger4
Josh
Sep 22, 2004, 11:46 AM
When I had my mac, I used a 3 button mous (2 buttons, + scroll wheel that could be clicked).
The right click = ctrl click and I used clicking the wheel for expose. It was sweet.
jsalzer
Sep 22, 2004, 12:22 PM
As the originator of the thread deftly proved unless you KNOW about the keyboard shortcut you will never know that OS X has context sensitive menus.
On a Mac, isn't the contextual menu that big white thing that goes across the top of the screen? Isn't the lack of a proper menu bar that correctly changes to address the current situation the reason MS had to start creating right-clickable contextual menus? And isn't the fact that Windows was so poorly designed as to require users to use separate contextual menus the reason PC users were *forced* to start using 2-button mice?
It isn't evolution driven by consumer wants if consumers had no choice based on the design of their OS.
That said - back to the original question - I'm sure that if you look at the original web page or box at "included software", you'll see that it is clearly listed that MS Office is a trial version on the computer you purchased. It's not Apple trying to pull a bait and switch - they generally don't operate that way. One of the many reasons we love them so much. ;)
zelmo
Sep 22, 2004, 01:09 PM
When I first started using a computer, I was always taking my right hand off of the keyboard to use the mouse, navigating through the menu commands in that manner. As I become more adept with software and the OS, I find myself taking my hand off of the keyboard less and less, relying more on shortcuts to acccess menu's and features I would have used the mouse for previously. Using the mouse now slows me down more than using keyboard shortcuts.
Isn't the Mac OS designed stipulating the placement of common menu commands, so that operators can switch between applications and still be able to navigate through layers of sub-menu's without having to learn new commands for each app? And isn't this something that Windows does not regulate?
I think I remember reading somewhere and somewhen that this is basically why Apple fights the current for a 2-button mouse.
If I were more sarcastic, I'd suggest that those of you who are simply unable to adapt to a clearly superior form of computing ought to just go buy a 23-button mouse. :p
decksnap
Sep 22, 2004, 01:18 PM
Isn't the lack of a proper menu bar that correctly changes to address the current situation the reason MS had to start creating right-clickable contextual menus? And isn't the fact that Windows was so poorly designed as to require users to use separate contextual menus the reason PC users were *forced* to start using 2-button mice?
Bingo!!
And on a Mac, everything in the 'proper menu bar' is accessible through key commands- which are a lot faster, if you know them, then contextual menus.
SiliconAddict
Sep 23, 2004, 08:11 AM
On a Mac, isn't the contextual menu that big white thing that goes across the top of the screen?
You obviously haven't used Windows in a long...if ever...time. The menu that Apple has at the top of the screen is no diff from the one that MS has on the top of any various application. The difference is that Apple attached their menu to the top of the screen and provided floating windows for the various apps. This allows more screen real-estate by not having to take up that much more space with a menu for each window.
MS Windows menus are physically attached to each Windows, with a few notable exceptions. Neither of these menus, be it Apple or MS, are context menus since their contents does not change. They always stay the same no matter where in the application you are. This is a good thing due to the fact that it "grounds" all of the core functions of an application in one place.
Isn't the lack of a proper menu bar that correctly changes to address the current situation the reason MS
Nope.
The use of a right click, contextual menu that is based on where your pointer is speeds up the process of commonly used commands around an OS. Consider on a high res screen. Instead of moving the cursor around the screen to the menu to change something in the window you can typically, depending on the skills of the developer, gain access much faster to the most commonly used commands. These features are further enhanced by having shortcut keys in the app and OS that allows even faster manipulation of whatever app you are in.
And if contextual menus are so bad why is Apple starting to fully integrate them into their OS? :p :)
SiliconAddict
Sep 23, 2004, 08:26 AM
Bingo!!
And on a Mac, everything in the 'proper menu bar' is accessible through key commands- which are a lot faster, if you know them, then contextual menus.
In which case lets all move back to a command prompt. K? Key commands are a further superset of tools that allow greater manipulation of the OS and or application in a timely manner. They are useful but the fact of the matter remains that they are for power users. Would you actually expect a user to learn every shortcut key in an OS the day they get their new computer? So much for OS X being simple no? A context menu is simply an extension of the GUI. Instead of needing to wade through drop down menus you have, again typically depending on the software developer, the most commonly used functions on click of the mouse away from you.
Guys we aren't talking anything overly complex here. You are simply making excuses for Apple's bizarre reasoning behind sticking with a single button mouse.
I mean why don't we take it one step further. Lets get rid of the mouse buttons all together and have left click be the ctrl and right click be the alt button. :rolleyes: because fallowing Apple's logic the more buttons on the mouse the more confused the user is. So lets take them all away and put the clicking of the mouse on the keyboard and the movement of the mouse on the external device. Why we would ever want to keep all the functionality of the mouse on the device is beyond me. :confused: ;)
benbondu
Sep 23, 2004, 09:45 AM
for casual web surfing, nothing beats a 2-button mouse with right-click gestures for back/forward/open new tab/etc. you don't need to touch the keyboard at all.
decksnap
Sep 23, 2004, 09:52 AM
In which case lets all move back to a command prompt. K? Key commands are a further superset of tools that allow greater manipulation of the OS and or application in a timely manner. They are useful but the fact of the matter remains that they are for power users. Would you actually expect a user to learn every shortcut key in an OS the day they get their new computer? So much for OS X being simple no? A context menu is simply an extension of the GUI. Instead of needing to wade through drop down menus you have, again typically depending on the software developer, the most commonly used functions on click of the mouse away from you.
Guys we aren't talking anything overly complex here. You are simply making excuses for Apple's bizarre reasoning behind sticking with a single button mouse.
I mean why don't we take it one step further. Lets get rid of the mouse buttons all together and have left click be the ctrl and right click be the alt button. :rolleyes: because fallowing Apple's logic the more buttons on the mouse the more confused the user is. So lets take them all away and put the clicking of the mouse on the keyboard and the movement of the mouse on the external device. Why we would ever want to keep all the functionality of the mouse on the device is beyond me. :confused: ;)
Yeah, good point, because photoshop would be so much easier to use through the command prompt! So then its true that a single button mouse and key commands is best for power users, and a single button mouse is simplest and easiest for novice users. Hmmmm. Makes sense to me.
jazzmfk
Sep 23, 2004, 11:41 AM
Two things, not at all related to the topic at hand (pun intended):
1) When used in conjuction with a mouse, the Griffin PowerMate is just the coolest thing. I have one to the left of my keyboard, set to scroll in Safari. It's way easier than using the scroll bars and way more comfortable on my hand than using one of those little tiny scroll wheels on a mouse.
2) I'm forced to use a Windows box at work (school). As a lifetime Mac user who actually started on a Mac (well, there was that ancient Texas Instruments something or other attached to the TV for awhile, but we'll just chalk that up to the folly of youth.......), I just can't deal with the second button. I've also seen elementary kids get confused the concept of "left clicking" with their right hand on the right side of the computer.
It seems to me that the programs that really "need" a multiple button mouse do seem to suffer from some illogical or non-intuitive UI problems. (Sibelius comes immediately to mind. Still better than Finale, though...)
Just my $.02. Haven't donated in a while....
MFK
jsalzer
Sep 23, 2004, 12:18 PM
You obviously haven't used Windows in a long...if ever...time. The menu that Apple has at the top of the screen...
Actually, I'm typing now on a Mac that has a Gateway on WinXP to its left and a Dell with Win98 to its right. People laugh at me for needing 3 computers at work, but I actually tend to keep all 3 busy!
My statements were overexaggerations (sp?) to make the point. I know what contextual menus are - I just don't think they're needed in an OS with a good UI. Even if Apple has started to disagree. ;)
PlaceofDis
Sep 23, 2004, 12:52 PM
is there any way to access the top menu through the keyboard? this would save me a lot of time.....
FuzzyBallz
Sep 23, 2004, 04:24 PM
is there any way to access the top menu through the keyboard? this would save me a lot of time.....
Maybe (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=75459), maybe not.
PlaceofDis
Sep 23, 2004, 04:38 PM
Maybe (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=75459), maybe not.
thanks for that Fuzz, i figured it out in sys prefs
slughead
Sep 23, 2004, 04:41 PM
is there any way to access the top menu through the keyboard? this would save me a lot of time.....
turn on universal access by hitting Ctrl+F1
then hit Ctrl+F2
I got that from the page PlaceofDis posted. Thanks PlaceofDis!
wrldwzrd89
Sep 23, 2004, 04:59 PM
for casual web surfing, nothing beats a 2-button mouse with right-click gestures for back/forward/open new tab/etc. you don't need to touch the keyboard at all.
Oh yeah? What if you're using Safari or some other browser that doesn't understand mouse gestures? What are we supposed to do then? By the way, mouse gestures aren't really my thing - I've never used them in ANY application on ANY platform.
SiliconAddict
Sep 23, 2004, 05:32 PM
Oh yeah? What if you're using Safari or some other browser that doesn't understand mouse gestures? What are we supposed to do then? By the way, mouse gestures aren't really my thing - I've never used them in ANY application on ANY platform.
:rolleyes: And that makes them any less valid?
benbondu
Sep 23, 2004, 06:34 PM
Oh yeah? What if you're using Safari or some other browser that doesn't understand mouse gestures? What are we supposed to do then? By the way, mouse gestures aren't really my thing - I've never used them in ANY application on ANY platform.
Cocoa Gestures (http://www.bitart.com/CocoaGestures.html) adds mouse gestures to any Cocoa program such as Mail, Address Book, iCal, TextEdit, Safari, and so on....
It's free.
wrldwzrd89
Sep 23, 2004, 06:36 PM
Cocoa Gestures (http://www.bitart.com/CocoaGestures.html) adds mouse gestures to any Cocoa program such as Mail, Address Book, iCal, TextEdit, Safari, and so on....
It's free.
That's neat - didn't know that was possible. Thanks benbondu!
SiliconAddict - no it doesn't make them less valid - it just means that not all of us use mouse gestures or enabling applications like the one benbondu posted a link to.
FunkyPurple
Sep 23, 2004, 07:43 PM
to right click hold the control button and click
Never had any trouble before but this is the best tip I've heard all day. Thanks for that one. :)
SiliconAddict
Sep 24, 2004, 09:09 AM
Yeah, good point, because photoshop would be so much easier to use through the command prompt!
http://home.comcast.net/~jonnormand/facetious.jpg
So then its true that a single button mouse and key commands is best for power users, and a single button mouse is simplest and easiest for novice users. Hmmmm. Makes sense to me.
*massive migraine* Like talking to lint. No. That isn't the point, which you are missing entirely. The point is that the those are tools are supersets that are available NOW. You don't have to add anything to the computer to get them. Not only are they available NOW they are well marked in the various menus. Again going back to the original poster if things are so easy on the Mac then why does Apple need to hide some of its functionality.
I will make this very simple with one last post.
Everyone claims that the one button mouse is best. Tell me. What makes more sense? To keep all the functionality of the mouse on the device itself or to offload part of that functionality to the keyboard. I put forth the idea that it's the two-button mouse that is simpler. Simply because you KNOW without a doubt what the mouse's function is intended for. By offloading part of the functionality of the mouse onto the keyboard a user no longer knows about context sensitive menus.
(And like it or not context sensitive menus are here to stay folks. For the love of god go read one of the million papers on good GUI design people. Context sensitive menus and data are a core part of any OS design.) As I was saying. You are offloading the functionality of the mouse which anyone who can stay neutral in the Mac vs. PC thing should see that this is a bad thing. The keyboard basic function is to enter characters. (All the other gee wiz gosh darn cool functions like turning the vol up/down, ejecting the optical desk etc are beside the point. Its core function has ALWAYS been to input characters onto the screen. The mouse, stating the obvious, has always been to interact with the screen. By offloading that functionality you essentially split how the mouse works. You now not only need the mouse to interact with the screen you need the keyboard to fully utilize OS X's features.
Sorry folks but this is an Apple being a stubborn PITA feature. This isn't about being easier. If Apple wanted to they could rollout a two button mouse with their next hardware shipments next year and bundle a 2 minute training session that runs when a person installs OS X: Tiger or first boots up their new Mac for the first time. Apple COULD do this if they wanted to. They just aren't because they want to be critically brain-dead different. Being different is good as long as you have a valid reason behind it. Being different for the sake of being different is behavior that deserves to be left back in grade school.
Unfortunately this behavior isn’t limited to Apple. This childish behavior easily extends to MS. A good example would be their Pocket PC platform. The X in the corner doesn't actually close an app. It merely places it at the bottom of the pile of open apps on the device. After a while this can impact on system performance even though theoretically the OS is suppose to close the least used app when the system runs low on memory. Note "in theory". The reality is that 3rd party software developers have stepped up to the plate to make addins that actually allow you to close the app from the title bar. So there is a work around but the reality is its simply MS being a stubborn ***.
Apple, MS both need to grow the **** up.
decksnap
Sep 24, 2004, 09:26 AM
Lint here- the whole basis of my argument is to stop people from saying a two button mouse is BETTER than a one button mouse, when it clearly is not. Perhaps a little bit of understanding and tolerance? You hear the 'Macs suck cuz they only have one button mice' crap flying around ALL the time. I personally feel that I can manipulate any program that I KNOW faster with a one button mouse and key commands than anyone with a 2, 3, or 76 button mouse. If you look at the list of commands that were posted, you'll see you'll never fit all of that functionality into the mouse in a useable way, so if you really want to get things done you'll be hitting up the key commands anyway. Where do you stop? Seven buttons, eight? perhaps we should move the volume and eject buttons to the mouse? Number keys and a Firewire port? :D
slughead
Sep 24, 2004, 10:16 AM
Lint here- the whole basis of my argument is to stop people from saying a two button mouse is BETTER than a one button mouse, when it clearly is not.
Clearly.
You're thinking that all multiple buttons are good for are contextual menus. This is wrong.
Option click can copy things and hide the front program while switching to a back one. It is also used in photoshop quite a bit.
Command click can do a vast multitude of things in the OS such as select specific files at a time, open links in a new tab (in safari).
And don't underestimate contextual menus either. What's faster when forcequitting a program, right clicking on its dock icon and selecting "force quit" or hitting commad+option+esc selecting it, clicking "force quit", and clicking "OK"?
Also, how are you supposed to enable check spelling as you type in text fields? Or did you know about that... right click on a text box sometime in safari (or firefox).. see what neat options you get.
AND WHAT ABOUT SCROLLING?
How many buttons do you need? well that's a surprisingly NON-arbitrary question: As many as is comfortable for you to use. Obviously two button mice is way over your head, and you should stick to 1.
As for me, the logitech mouseman dual optical (and, I think, the mx series) have a scroll wheel, right and left click, and a 4th button where your thumb goes which is just out of the way so you never accidently click it.
I have mine set up as follows:
Left button: regular click
Right button: right click (supported by OS X)
scroll wheel button: option click
4th (thumb) button: command click
unendingly useful. I could also see using one of those for expose, as that F11 key is real annoying (by touch I often hit the F12, though I'm not using Apple's compact keyboard either).
wrldwzrd89
Sep 24, 2004, 11:40 AM
Clearly.
You're thinking that all multiple buttons are good for are contextual menus. This is wrong.
Option click can copy things and hide the front program while switching to a back one. It is also used in photoshop quite a bit.
Command click can do a vast multitude of things in the OS such as select specific files at a time, open links in a new tab (in safari).
And don't underestimate contextual menus either. What's faster when forcequitting a program, right clicking on its dock icon and selecting "force quit" or hitting commad+option+esc selecting it, clicking "force quit", and clicking "OK"?
Also, how are you supposed to enable check spelling as you type in text fields? Or did you know about that... right click on a text box sometime in safari (or firefox).. see what neat options you get.
AND WHAT ABOUT SCROLLING?
How many buttons do you need? well that's a surprisingly NON-arbitrary question: As many as is comfortable for you to use. Obviously two button mice is way over your head, and you should stick to 1.
As for me, the logitech mouseman dual optical (and, I think, the mx series) have a scroll wheel, right and left click, and a 4th button where your thumb goes which is just out of the way so you never accidently click it.
I have mine set up as follows:
Left button: regular click
Right button: right click (supported by OS X)
scroll wheel button: option click
4th (thumb) button: command click
unendingly useful. I could also see using one of those for expose, as that F11 key is real annoying (by touch I often hit the F12, though I'm not using Apple's compact keyboard either).
I could see how using such a mouse would save time - but I've never found the need to use one with Mac OS X, nor have I ever used a mouse with more than two buttons and a clickable scroll wheel on any platform. I guess I'm used to using the keyboard for option-clicking and command-clicking things. If you suggest that I start using a multi-button mouse with my Mac, would you recommend any of these 4 places near me to get one?
1. The Apple Store (Online)
2. The Apple Store @ Legacy Village, Lyndhurst, OH
3. CompUSA @ Beachwood, OH
4. Micro Center @ Mayfield Heights, OH
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