Lost (TV show)

[emw]

It's necessary. Part of the fun is meeting a character, and then learning (sometimes gradually) their backstory. We've used that up for almost everyone we know so far. That's why I wasn't surprised to find new faces (most of which we haven't yet been introduced to) in the last few episodes last season. It's the freshman class.
Let's just hope these new characters don't get blown up in their second episode. That could get messy. ;)

[yellow]

I don't mind new characters being added.. new blood and all. I cannot wait until the premiere. My Dad will be in town visiting my wife and me, I hope he doesn't mind taking an hour out. :)

[dcv]

Lost started recently here in the UK - I think i've seen about 6 or 7 episodes. It's great so far, apart from some silliness with a mysterious creature in the jungle. The pilot episode was fantastic.

I'm NOT going to read all of this thread in case people are giving the story away....

[yellow]

There's a creature in the jungle? :eek: :D It gets a lot sillier then that. :)

[iAlan]

Well, Lost Season 1 will screen on satellite/cable TV here in Japan starting from mid-end October - it is not unusual for Japan to be a year or more behind on some of the better US TV shows, and mostly on pay satellite/cable anyways - except Fox Japan which is ***** with Temptation Island, The Swan, and a few others but some good programming with Nip/Tuck (season 1), The Simpsons (season 14, so not so out of date) and Malcolm In The Middl ( no idea what season).

Anyway, I saw the first 2 episodes in Australia when i was home on holiday in February - and was hooked. So I coudn't wait for the Japan airing so I bought the DVD from amazon.com (along with a couple of others - and expedite international delivery). My 12" PB is connected to my HDTV and the DVD player is set to region 1 so I can play US DVD's (Japan is region 2) - and the quality is pretty good. I watched all 24 episodes of Lost in 4 days - yes, 4 episodes a day after work on Thursday and Friday and the rest over the weekend (I guess I am bit of a looser, but it was great to watch in it's entirety).

However, i am not looking forward to a year for season 2 on DVD...AHHHHHH!

For those thinking it is a wast of money to get Lost shipped here, the DVD won't be released here for a while and when they are they will be unbelievably expensive. A good example is '24'. I bought seasons 1-3 on amazon.com and including shipping cost me less than just buying season 1 on it's own in Japan (which waould have cost $220 - just season 1)! Yikes! And it took 'till the middle of season 3 broadcast in the USA for Japan to get season 1! We haven't even had seasom 3 on air yet (I don't think) and the USA is going into season 5 (this happens with a lot of TV shows here)

Anyway - Lost was great and I hope to see a few new episodes here and there before this time next year.

BTW - anyone think it strange the survivors basically had no injuries - as if they were put there, not crash....maybe selective memory implanting to make them believe they were in a plane crash...oooooow!

[yellow]

The Simpsons (season 14, so not so out of date)

Season 17 started last night.. sooooo it's pretty darned out of date.

[Nickygoat]

I'm NOT going to read all of this thread in case people are giving the story away....
You should do - there's not enough info to really get any idea what's going on. Plus I've been using it as a stick to beat some of my colleagues with - "wait until x happens" :D

[dcv]

There's a creature in the jungle? :eek: :D It gets a lot sillier then that. :)

Nooooo... i hope it doesn't turn into some stupid Twin Peaks-like totally bizarre series. so far i have really enjoyed the series but there have been some silly moments.

You should do - there's not enough info to really get any idea what's going on. Plus I've been using it as a stick to beat some of my colleagues with - "wait until x happens" :D

Sssshhhh don't tell me what happens. There is NOTHING else worth watching on tv these days... British TV is otherwise full of copycat programming and repeats - crap soaps, endless mind-numbing property makeover shows and recently a load of programmes about obnoxious kids, nannies, midwives, people having kids...WTF?!! :mad:

[iAlan]

Season 17 started last night.. sooooo it's pretty darned out of date.

DOH!

[pdpfilms]

So Season 2 starts next Wednesday... any guesses for initial cliffhangers?
I'm guessing they'll touch very briefly on the few who were on the boat. I think they'll also spend alot of time re-introing the series, playing lots of season 1 footage to "review". Also, I doubt they'll get anyone into the hatch so early... maybe Locke will have a good conversation with it or something.


Oooooh, i'm so excited :D

[Doctor Q]

So Season 2 starts next Wednesday... any guesses for initial cliffhangers?
I'm guessing they'll touch very briefly on the few who were on the boat. I think they'll also spend alot of time re-introing the series, playing lots of season 1 footage to "review".The black kid (or was he Hispanic?) will do something brave. His dad and whoever else is on the raft (I forget who that is) will argue a lot. Back on the island, the medical guy (is he a dentist or a surgeon?) will work with the French person (a man or a woman?). The wife who surprised her husband by speaking English (or was it the other way around?) will set off to find her husband who used to work for her uncle or brother or dad or somebody. The jolly but unlucky guy (Huey? Morley? Horton?) who has a weight problem (too slight or too heavy?) will cheer everyone else up. The wanted criminal heroine what's-her-name will rob a bank on the island so they can buy a plane to fly home... or is the plane they arrived in still in good shape? ... I forget!

Hmmm... Perhaps re-introing the series isn't such a bad idea after all. :o

[Lyle]

I haven't seen this (http://www.driveshaftband.com/) posted here yet :)I'm also noticing a lot of Easter Eggs unrelated to "Lost" on the DriveSHAFT web site. For example, if you look at the discography (http://www.driveshaftband.com/driveSHAFTMusic2.htm) page, many of the people listed in the credits are supporting characters from "Seinfeld": Kenny Bania, Art Vandelay, Susan Ross, Bob Saccamano, Tim Whatley, Sue Ellen Mischke, Martin Von Nostrand, Donna Chang, Yuri Testikov, ...

[evoluzione]

anyone checked out the latest Lost website yet? Oceanic Flight 815 (http://www.oceanicflight815.com/)

oooh i'm getting excited!

[Doctor Q]

anyone checked out the latest Lost website yet? Oceanic Flight 815 (http://www.oceanicflight815.com/)Wow! They have really fixed it up since last season! Of course, it's now just advertising instead of clever underground marketing, since it identifies its connection to the show now, instead of posing as an airline site.

[Lyle]

Wow! They have really fixed it up since last season! Of course, it's now just advertising instead of clever underground marketing, since it identifies its connection to the show now, instead of posing as an airline site.I think you're confusing this site with the Oceanic Airlines web site (http://www.oceanic-air.com/), which is still on-line.

[Doctor Q]

I think you're confusing this site with the Oceanic Airlines web site (http://www.oceanic-air.com/), which is still on-line.Thanks, you are correct, Lyle Lyle Alligator, I didn't realize there were two sites. I guess I need to brush up on the show's story line AND the web sites!

[iAlan]

anyone checked out the latest Lost website yet? Oceanic Flight 815 (http://www.oceanicflight815.com/)

oooh i'm getting excited!

I can't load the screen saver from this site, can someone help out - I downloaded but the files are not '.saver' or 'stuffed' files just blank icons that nothing will open...there is no extension and if I change the extension it still does not function?

Actually I have had trouble downloading screen savers for other movie/TV sites since I installed 10.4....

[pdpfilms]

anyone checked out the latest Lost website yet? Oceanic Flight 815 (http://www.oceanicflight815.com/)

oooh i'm getting excited!

This is awesome!!

five days left....

P.s. does anyone know what time the show is aired on the west coast? I just moved out here and don't know anything about the new programming... i know it's listed as 9 EST.

[Doctor Q]

P.s. does anyone know what time the show is aired on the west coast? I just moved out here and don't know anything about the new programming... i know it's listed as 9 EST.Network shows like this are shown at the same clock time on both coasts, first at 9 EDT, then 3 hours later at 9 PDT. In the flyover states, it is shown at... aw, who cares? :ducks in preparation for flames:

[pdpfilms]

Wow, this website is INTENSE. So much stuff to do, i could spend HOURS on it.

[pdpfilms]

Holy Crap.

There are some BIG Clues on this website.

EDIT: THERE IS A SEASON 2 PREMIERE EPISODE PREVIEW ON THE SITE. NAVIGATE THROUGH THE "EXPLORE" SECTION TO SEE IT.

For instance... I just came accross a lil somethin that said something to the effect of:

True North and Magnetic North are two different things. In 2002, True North was 590 miles away from the North Pole. Hikers using USGS maps to navigate must therefore make adjustments to their measurements to account for this difference. In California for instance, hikers must set their declination levels to 18 degrees.

Remeber when the compasses weren't working? And the Polar bear appeared on the island? North Pole anyone?


EDIT: came accross this:

"POLAR BEAR- Distribution: Northern polar regions occurring in 5 nations- Greenland, Norway, Canada, United States, the former Soviet Union and also on Arctic sea pack ice usually within 300km of land. Some individuals wander up to 200km inland"

Therefore, the island is within 300km of one of these places. Otherwise, these facts would not have been listed.

EDIT 2: Check this out:

"the law of bouyancy, discovered by Archimedes, says: any materiel or object immersed in a fluid will tend to rise through the fluid if the fluid density is greater than the material density...."

This seems like a random fact... but when you apply it to the island.. the floating theme seems plausible.

EDIT 3: Just noticed that in the season 2 trailer, the main theme is "Everything Happens For A Reason." good to know.

EDIT 4: Just found something about a patent for a box... looks like a software box... the patent is granted to "Hugo Reyes" i believe... hard to see.

[MacNut]

Lost won the Emmy for best drama.

[3rdpath]

Lost won the Emmy for best drama.

glad to see jj ( and damon) getting their due. jj is one of THE nicest guys in the business.

[andysmith]

Check out this NYTimes article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/18/arts/television/18manl.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1127041607-qyMlowdLAyivtWve6Y9yrA

There's some pretty huuuuge spoilers in there:
"...On a white board, below head shots of the cast and pages ripped from The Weekly World News ("Time Portal Found Over South Pole" reads one scoop put up by Mr. Lindelof)..."

....But the creators do know how the series ends. The survivors will not learn they are part of some dastardly experiment, or discover they are in purgatory, or wake up from a bad dream. "These guys get off the island," said Mr. Cuse.

Then, nearly in unison, both men add, "If it's an island."....

Whether it's just a red herring I'm not sure... but I just *cannot* wait!!

[pdpfilms]

Check out this NYTimes article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/18/arts/television/18manl.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1127041607-qyMlowdLAyivtWve6Y9yrA

There's some pretty huuuuge spoilers in there:







Whether it's just a red herring I'm not sure... but I just *cannot* wait!!

Ok, that first point COULD be a spoiler, but it's likely not. As I understood it, it was merely a headline from the World Weekly News... simply a concept to consider during a writing session. As you quoted yourself, the creators do not know how the series ends.

But HOT DANG, i am so excited.... two days now!!!

[G5Unit]

Not sure if this has been mentioned but isn't there a huge light that shines at the bottom of the tunnel.

[pdpfilms]

Not sure if this has been mentioned but isn't there a huge light that shines at the bottom of the tunnel.

Yup, I saw it too. What excites me is that the NYTimes article says something about the writers making a point to reveal what is inside the hatch, so as to let viewers know what it means for the losties. Personally I'd be really frustrated if, after waiting an entire summer, they neglected to give any insight as to the innards of that beast.

yay.

[Doctor Q]

For those who like to hunt: The names of two new characters can be found by looking at the seat assignments at one of the websites.

[andysmith]

Yup, I saw it too. What excites me is that the NYTimes article says something about the writers making a point to reveal what is inside the hatch, so as to let viewers know what it means for the losties. Personally I'd be really frustrated if, after waiting an entire summer, they neglected to give any insight as to the innards of that beast.

yay.
Apparently we'll get a look round the hatch in the first episode, but nothing will become clear until Episode 3. (I've heard various sources say ep3 is a HUGE reveal)

[andysmith]

Ok, that first point COULD be a spoiler, but it's likely not. As I understood it, it was merely a headline from the World Weekly News... simply a concept to consider during a writing session. As you quoted yourself, the creators do not know how the series ends.

But HOT DANG, i am so excited.... two days now!!!

It's still quite an insight though into what they're thinking - I've also read in one article, that the plane crashed for a very specific reason - which will be revealed at the end of series 2.
Have a read of this:
http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=998
I think that could apply to Lost quite well.

[joepunk]

YES! only two more days :D

I'm getting all flushed by the wave of excitement building within me :p

[pdpfilms]

***MAJOR SPOILER ALERT.***

Do not click the following link unless you are SURE you want to know what happens in the season 2 premiere. This explanation has been duplicated on many websites, and is likely accurate as the premiere was shown within the past week in Hawaii.

Fare the well, Losties.

http://p073.ezboard.com/flosttheunofficalforumfortheabcseriesfrm8.showMessage?topicID=937.topic

--Note to grumps: All flaming for spoiling the episode will be refuted and discredited, as you all were given fair warning and a link to follow at your discretion.--

[Awimoway]

I have been thoroughly enjoying the DVD set. I watched the show faithfully throughout the season, but I avoided the piecemeal reruns. Now I am re-watching all of season 1 in a mad rush up to this Wednesday. I have six episodes left to re-watch. I can't wait till Wednesday night, but I can and will avoid spoilers.

In rewatching the show, I feel much less confused about some of the island's mysteries, and I picked up some little details that I missed the first time around. I am interested to know what happened to the other survivors that Boone makes contact with on the radio. And Sayid makes the interesting point that, considering the manner in which the plane broke apart long before crashing, no one should have survived. Yet apparently other fragments of the plane also made improbably "safe" landings. The woman who was sitting across the aisle from Jack has a gut feeling that her husband is still alive.

I can't help but think that the island is something of a deliberately crafted puzzle and somewhere in its subterranean chambers, if they can unlock it (using those five numbers), there will be a sea cave and a boat gassed up and ready to go -- but that's probably seasons away.

Also, it has been interesting to see the way in which Locke, very early on, understood that there could come a time when people would have to pick sides, and he has been very careful to cultivate relationships with everyone who has useful skills, although he doesn't get along with everybody.

Rousseau said her people were on the island two months when they got sick and she shot them all. Is she immune to the illness? Was the illness madness (consider some of the weird things Boone and Locke have seen that weren't real)? It has been about two months now since the plane crashed, so I wonder if that illness is going to be one of the major traumas of season 2.

Mostly, I'm dying to know who are "the others," the ones Rousseau speaks of. I assume they are the people who stole Walt (that's probably obvious), but that doesn't mean we'll learn much about them -- we never saw what happened to Claire when she was abducted. But if we do get to see what happens to Walt, and I hope we do, I suspect he can defend himself with some of his freaky powers.

Two more days ...

[Doctor Q]

There will be a show named "Destination Lost" on tonite the hour before the Lost season premiere. It apparently summaries some of the Lost plot so far, for those who didn't watch last season, or don't remember it, so they can catch up before the first episode of this season.

[camomac]

There will be a show named "Destination Lost" on tonite the hour before the Lost season premiere. It apparently summaries some of the Lost plot so far, for those who didn't watch last season, or don't remember it, so they can catch up before the first episode of this season.


GOOD, GOOD! i missed much of the last season, but saw the season final. i was instantly hooked. this will be an excellent way for me to get caught up. thanks doctor Q!

[clayj]

Quick reminder to everyone: Don't post spoilage about new episodes until the episode has finished airing on the West Coast... tonight, that's 1 AM EDT, 10 PM PDT.

Folks on the West Coast: You might just want to avoid this thread entirely until that time.

Folks in other places: Best just stay out of this thread for a LONG time... ;)

[rickvanr]

Now that was an awesome beginning.

[runninmac]

Wow is all I have to say!

Spoiler Question:
Was the guy holding the gun the guy he met from the stadium?

[clayj]

spoiler answer:

yes

[rickvanr]

'brother'

That was messed up, and to me it played out as not a coincidence.

[runninmac]

spoiler answer:



Dah Fricken Freaky!!! :eek:
Anyone know any spoiler sites for next week? :D

[runninmac]

Yeah I thought that was a little odd word to use but never thought of that as a possiblitey. This season seems like its going to rock!


It's still quite an insight though into what they're thinking - I've also read in one article, that the plane crashed for a very specific reason - which will be revealed at the end of series 2.
Have a read of this:
http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net...ve.cgi?read=998
I think that could apply to Lost quite well.

Thats extreamly freaky if that were to happen but is there a better web site than that homemade site?

[Doctor Q]

"Destination Lost" was very well done. Just enough of the main stories. Good work, ABC.

Maybe i'll change my locker combination to 4-8-15-16-23-42 to celebrate the new season.

[solvs]

Maybe i'll change my locker combination to 4-8-15-16-23-42 to celebrate the new season.
:eek: I hope you're kidding. The numbers man... they're cursed!

[evoluzione]

fantastic episode.


did anyone notice in "Destination: Lost" that Walt's comic book was blurred out on the back cover??? why would that be? what was on there?

[wbrowne1]

fantastic episode.


did anyone notice in "Destination: Lost" that Walt's comic book was blurred out on the back cover??? why would that be? what was on there?


I remember seeing a polar bear on the comic book the first time the episode aired (right around the same time a polar bear was sighted on the island), but not sure if thats what they blurred out.

I missed "Destination: Lost", but caught the premiere.

[andysmith]

That episode was just amazing... can't believe they left it on that cliffhanger :(

[MongoTheGeek]

I remember seeing a polar bear on the comic book the first time the episode aired (right around the same time a polar bear was sighted on the island), but not sure if thats what they blurred out.

I missed "Destination: Lost", but caught the premiere.

I think there might have been copyright issues that cropped up later which weren't considered originally.

I absolutely hate logo blurring. MTV started it one of the many banes they have visited on mankind. Reality TV is another. It distracts from the enjoyment.

I think Destination Lost had some extra footage that wasn't in the original runs. There was stuff that I don't remember seeing.

[Lyle]

No one is asking this important question about last night's premiere: Was that old desktop computer (the one that Jack was "advised" not to touch) an Apple II?

P.S. I love how "Make Your Own Kind of Music" started blasting there at the end to tie things back to the opening of the show. You've gotta love Mama Cass. ;)

[stonyc]

No one is asking this important question about last night's premiere: Was that old desktop computer (the one that Jack was "advised" not to touch) an Apple II?

P.S. I love how "Make Your Own Kind of Music" started blasting there at the end to tie things back to the opening of the show. You've gotta love Mama Cass. ;)It sure looked like one, didn't it? :)

EDIT: Wouldn't that put the origination of the hatch (or at least what's in the hatch now) at 1978-1979? Which is roughly 16 years prior to the events of the show, and would also put Rousseau's shipwreck around the same time?

[andysmith]

It sure looked like one, didn't it? :)

EDIT: Wouldn't that put the origination of the hatch (or at least what's in the hatch now) at 1978-1979? Which is roughly 16 years prior to the events of the show, and would also put Rousseau's shipwreck around the same time?

Good point - I think in one of the later episodes of Series 1, Rousseau said her crew went to the island to find the source of the number broadcast... which means that broadcast must have something to do with the hatch?

[pdpfilms]

You know what doesn't really make any sense...

So Jack met Desmond in the not so distant past... maybe a year or two ago? So what then is Desmond doing in an undergound establishment that is dated to the late 70's? He most certainly has not been there for thirty years, as Jack met him in the stadium.

A simple, blurry timeline looks something like this:

Hatch/Island's conception>>>Jack meets Desmond>>>Desmond goes to hatch>>>Jack goes to hatch.

Unless Desmond left the hatch to meet Jack, then returned again...

[Lyle]

So Jack met Desmond in the not so distant past... maybe a year or two ago? So what then is Desmond doing in an undergound establishment that is dated to the late 70's? He most certainly has not been there for thirty years, as Jack met him in the stadium... Unless Desmond left the hatch to meet Jack, then returned again.I agree with you about the timeline, that had occurred to me as well. Well, that settles it: I guess we're going to have to keep watching the show to learn the answer, aren't we? ;)

[pdpfilms]

I agree with you about the timeline, that had occurred to me as well. Well, that settles it: I guess we're going to have to keep watching the show to learn the answer, aren't we? ;)

Damnit, I knew this was going to happen...

[andysmith]

I've just watched a few parts of it again.

First thing I noticed, is on the container of the liquid Desmond injects, are 'the numbers' and 'RX-1'. The strange thing is though, in his 'apartment', there seems to be sun light at his window - which is underground, but it's night on the island :confused:

I'm thinking Truman Show?

[evoluzione]

yeah my girlfriend and i watched the beginning again, and noticed "the numbers" on the bottles of pills.

also the "daylight".


what we did notice though, was the old (maybe 16 years old) computer and tape machines etc, BUT, there are plenty of modern day appliances there too, like the washer and dryer, and the food mixer, and the trash can for example. seems like the "experiment" or whatever it is has been going on for years, and they still use the original servers/terminals or whatever, but Desmond has access to "the outside world".

my theory (which is probably full of holes) is that they're in a biodome of sorts, and Desmond is the "zookeeper".

[emw]

what we did notice though, was the old (maybe 16 years old) computer and tape machines etc, BUT, there are plenty of modern day appliances there too, like the washer and dryer, and the food mixer, and the trash can for example. seems like the "experiment" or whatever it is has been going on for years, and they still use the original servers/terminals or whatever, but Desmond has access to "the outside world".I noticed the new appliances too - something that was quite odd, given that many things (record player, exercise bike) were old, but others were very new. Hmmm.

As for the dates - it seems that Jack was quite a bit younger, as was his dad. I'd hazard a guess it was at least 7-10 years ago. This was before he almost got married to Sarah. But probably not 16 years.

OT: Anyone else make the mistake of watching Invasion after the show? Not sure that's going to last very long.

[stonyc]

What did Desmond say to Jack in the stadium? About why he was trainiing? I think he said something to the effect of "training to race around the world" or something. Any significance to that? He also said that he "almost went to med school" or something.

Those injections struck me as a booster of some sorts... hence the quarantine?

Also, I didn't notice for sure but was the word "quarantine" on the inside or the outside of the hatch? Because if it were on the outside, you would have thunk that Locke, Boone, Jack or Sayeed would have noticed that in the first season. If the "quarantine" were actually on the inside of the hatch, that would raise an interesting scenario..

As far as the sunlight down in the hatch goes, I have one possible explanation: mirrors.

Desmond had set up mirrors to shine the light outside the hatch, he could just as easily have another hatch with which to direct sunlight into his habitat. Maybe? Heh, dunno.. sounds good though.

For some reason also, I felt when watching Jack's flashbacks that they were taking place 5-10 years ago.

Wow. Lots of random thoughts..

EDIT: Also, there's that period when Jack was examining what sounded like a generator and the key around his neck was attracted to that direction. What kind of power sources generate magnetic fields that strong?

And finally, did anyone catch what Walt was saying to Shannon? I couldn't really tell.. and that scene was really freaky by the way. :)

[pdpfilms]

As far as the sunlight down in the hatch goes, I have one possible explanation: mirrors.

Desmond had set up mirrors to shine the light outside the hatch, he could just as easily have another hatch with which to direct sunlight into his habitat. Maybe? Heh, dunno.. sounds good though.

Wow. Lots of random thoughts..

I think this light was just artificial. When they blew the hatch and disrupted Desmond, he shut off all the light with a few switches...my bet is that they were just naturalistic lighting to keep him from feeling like he lived 50 feet underground.

[jsw]

I agree it was artificial light (barring an very bizarre sci-fi explanation, which it not outside the scope of the show of course).

I think Desmond knew of the island and travelled there to replace a crew that had been there (died there?) before. Hence the older stuff mingled with newer stuff.

I suspect the powerful magnetic force is tied in (energy source?) with the invisible monster/guardian.

[Doctor Q]

And finally, did anyone catch what Walt was saying to Shannon? I couldn't really tell.. and that scene was really freaky by the way. :)I couldn't tell, but he seemed to want her to keep quiet, so perhaps he had escaped from his captors and was hiding or trying to escape. But then he ran away. Perhaps when he heard other footsteps he assumed he was about to be caught again.

[allisonv7]

Also, I didn't notice for sure but was the word "quarantine" on the inside or the outside of the hatch? Because if it were on the outside, you would have thunk that Locke, Boone, Jack or Sayeed would have noticed that in the first season. If the "quarantine" were actually on the inside of the hatch, that would raise an interesting scenario..


I wonder who is under the quarantine? The guy living in the hatch? Or the people on the island? It seems to me that the man in the hatch is being protected from islanders, and not the other way around. There must be another entrance to this thing somewhere.


allison.

[stonyc]

I wonder who is under the quarantine? The guy living in the hatch? Or the people on the island? It seems to me that the man in the hatch is being protected from islanders, and not the other way around. There must be another entrance to this thing somewhere.


allison.That's what I'm thinking too. But why? :) Ahhhh.........

[3rdpath]

yea, the timeline seems all out of whack. 70's music, stereo and exercise bike( love the groovy corvette guages) but yet a very modern washer and dryer. and the word " quarentine" was indeed on the inside of the hatch...so who is truly inside and outside?

didn't desmond say "see ya in another life" to jack when he left the stadium?

and isn't shannon's last name rutherford? the same as the guy killed in the car crash with jack's wife to be...

nice season opener! did anyone else think the opening segment was a commercial at first?

[jsw]

nice season opener! did anyone else think the opening segment was a commercial at first?
I was afraid I had on the wrong channel.

[stonyc]

nice season opener! did anyone else think the opening segment was a commercial at first?My wife and I both totally thought it was a commercial.. :)

[Lyle]

didn't desmond say "see ya in another life" to jack when he left the stadium?Yes, that's what I heard him say.

The other thing about their conversation, which I'm sure you guys picked up on, was Desmond's persistence in asking Jack, "What if there was something you could do to fix her?". (I'm paraphrasing). With the follow-up of the patient wiggling her toes, I got the feeling that they were implying that some sort of Faustian bargain had been struck between Desmond and Jack.

I got into watching "Lost" pretty late last season, so I'm looking forward to renting the Season 1 DVDs and "catching up" real soon now.

[MongoTheGeek]

It sure looked like one, didn't it? :)

EDIT: Wouldn't that put the origination of the hatch (or at least what's in the hatch now) at 1978-1979? Which is roughly 16 years prior to the events of the show, and would also put Rousseau's shipwreck around the same time?

Rousseau would have wrecked in 87-88.

It did look like an Apple II though.

Figure Sawyer for 36 or so(8 in '76).

If Jack is the same age as Sawyer. That would mean that the flashback wouldn't have happened any earlier than '92.

The term SUV wasn't in use until the mid 90s once again dating the flashback to the mid 90s. Had I paid more attention and not started watching at midnight I might have more to back up the statements.

The guy is an anachronism. Or living in one.

[Doctor Q]

The other thing about their conversation, which I'm sure you guys picked up on, was Desmond's persistence in asking Jack, "What if there was something you could do to fix her?". (I'm paraphrasing). With the follow-up of the patient wiggling her toes, I got the feeling that they were implying that some sort of Faustian bargain had been struck between Desmond and Jack.We also have the connection to Locke, who arrived on the island in a wheelchair and regained the use of his legs after the crash.

Perhaps the island's curative powers are the reason for the underground (research?) facility.

[Freg3000]

And finally, did anyone catch what Walt was saying to Shannon? I couldn't really tell.. and that scene was really freaky by the way. :)

When you play it backwards....

http://homepage.mac.com/fregtk/walt_audio.wav

Freaky!

[atszyman]

I am starting to think that Desmond definitely has a way off of the island. I am theorizing that next week's big revelation is that Desmond somehow is connected to many of the other survivors.

Begin wild theories
I think Desmond hand picked these people to be on the island and throughout this season we will get glimpses into how all of the main characters know Desmond.

I know that they don't often mention dates, but I wonder if there is any correlation between the date that Locke lost his ability to walk and the date that Jack's ex-wife regained control of her legs?
end wild theories.

[Nermal]

When you play it backwards....

You officially have too much time on your hands :rolleyes:

[Doctor Q]

When you play it backwards...."Press the button"?

[clayj]

I think I need to watch the season premiere again... I must have been distracted by something else, because I think I missed some of the points raised in previous posts. (Ditto with Invasion.)

[Dr. Dastardly]

ooooh, I'm dying to press that button in that computer room. I'm guessing that is what Walt is talking about. But Desmond REALLY doesn't want that to happen for some reason. Theres is nothing but a command line so I have no idea what that thing is for. Unless its something like

"Have black smoke creature eat everyone and their brother?
Y/N

Invasion both sucked and blew. It was just soooo boring! The only thing humerous that came out of it is now everyone I watched it with just randomly yells "Carlita!". :rolleyes:

[andysmith]

One thing that's strange - Desmond said to Jack "What if she's fixed?"
And now I've just thought - in the episode where Jack keeps thinking he's seen his father, Locke says something very similar - "But what if it's possible?"

And this 'brother' thing - there must be some reason behind it. Does Jack have another relation to Desmond that he doesn't even know about?

[cgratti]

Two words to describe the show LOST.

STU-PID!

They made it out like some monster was on the island, only to find out its not. It's humans, I quit watching it after the first season, got tired of all the nonsense.

Now HOUSE is a good show!

[Nermal]

I think there might have been copyright issues that cropped up later which weren't considered originally.

Interesting. Maybe someone with the DVD set can see whether it's been blurred on there too.

[Lacero]

The show does seem to be getting a little more preposterous. I can only take so many twists and turns before the plot becomes a pile of gooey spaghetti.

[Freg3000]

You officially have too much time on your hands :rolleyes:

Hey I didn't try that, I just read about it.

Don't shoot the messenger. :)

[Dr. Dastardly]

Now HOUSE is a good show!

Its funny, When I heard the premis for that show I felt sick. Just what we needed was another doctor show. I swore if I heard stat, freeze, or objection one more time my head was going to explode.

But that show is either one of if not the best shows on television. I cannot belevie how well Hugh Laurie can pull off a flawless american accent, speak his lines with such conviction, and walk with a limp.

Best. Actor. Ever.

[Nermal]

Next episode is called "Adrift" and likely shows us what's happening with the raft guys :)

[evoluzione]

oh, i forgot to mention this. may have no relevance wahtsoever but there was a logo on the toolbox (i think it was that) and it was also repeated on Desmonds jacket. looked very much like a feng shui compass, with a little design inside possibly.

here's a typical compass....
http://www.homestore.com/hs_media/images/homegarden/decorate/fengshui/bugua_big.jpg?poe=homestore

[emw]

In case there weren't enough reasons to watch...

In all the madness, there will be some love on the island this season.

"We're in the 9 o'clock slot now," Andrews said, referring to the show's new time. "Men and women alone on the island, they have needs. Needs that must be fulfilled."

Linkadink (http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/TV/09/21/tv.lost.returns.ap/index.html)

[Doctor Q]

Hmmm.... From that article:I think there's this sort of interesting American conceit, 'Everybody else on the planet should speak English,"' co-creator Damon Lindelof said. "The fact that there are people who don't speak English, we sort of demand they adapt to us, as opposed to the other way around.As we all know, Sun Kwon speaks English. And so does Danielle Rousseau. I guess American conceit saw to it.

[Nermal]

I think there's this sort of interesting American conceit, 'Everybody else on the planet should speak English,"

That's funny because English is from England, not America :rolleyes:

*prepares for "the language Americans speak is not English by any stretch of the imagination" argument* :p

[Doctor Q]

That's funny because English is from England, not America :rolleyes:No, no. In England they speak Anglish, because the language resulted from the invasion of the Angles who invaded with the Saxons in, um, I forget. The 5th century?

Then again, why don't Americans (Canadians, USians, Mexicans, Nicaraguans, Brazilians, etc.) speak "American"? :confused:

[rickvanr]

No, no. In England they speak Anglish, because the language resulted from the invasion of the Angles who invaded with the Saxons in, um, I forget. The 5th century?

Then again, why don't Americans (Canadians, USians, Mexicans, Nicaraguans, Brazilians, etc.) speak "American"? :confused:

Hey now, I don't consider myself an American for living in Canada, and I bet Mexicans, Nicaraguans, Brazilians, etc wouldn't like it either.

And yes, I know you didn't mean it like that, but it's just another annoying American generalization.

[MongoTheGeek]

No, no. In England they speak Anglish, because the language resulted from the invasion of the Angles who invaded with the Saxons in, um, I forget. The 5th century?

Then again, why don't Americans (Canadians, USians, Mexicans, Nicaraguans, Brazilians, etc.) speak "American"? :confused:

There was an episode of Married With children where Al had to take the drivers test. Mr Marcy(can't remember the name) was helping. He asked Al about trailer hitches. Al said thats never on the test. He goes to take the test and is asked "English or Spanish." He said that he is an American, and wants to take the test in American. The examiner pulled out a dusty test looked at it and said that he hoped Al knew trailer hitches...

[Doctor Q]

For those who didn't record it, the first episode will be rebroadcast the hour before the second episode on Wednesday. You can watch that great opening scene again.

[Doctor Q]

I played around at www.oceanic-air.com some more tonite and found a hidden video clip from the climax episode from last season. It starts with this image:

[stonyc]

Spoilers for people who didn't see yet.. highlight below to see:

Did anyone else notice that the shark on its underside or something had that strange logo found on all of Desmond's stuff in the hatch?

Michelle Rodriguez makes her first appearance next week... yay! :)

Even though Desmond kept using "brother" with Locke, I still felt that Desmond also remembered who Jack was when he moved his face so Jack could see...

[MongoTheGeek]

Since its the next morning I decided to unhide it.

Did anyone else notice that the shark on its underside or something had that strange logo found on all of Desmond's stuff in the hatch?

I only saw that on my second time through the show. (I love direcTV. I get to watch it on NY time and LA time) :)

I wish I could remember what one snowman said to the other snowman?

Google suggests its "Do you smell carrots?"

no wonder Desmond is a bit whacked. He can never get more than an hour and a half of sleep at a time.

[emw]

no wonder Desmond is a bit whacked. He can never get more than an hour and a half of sleep at a time.Too bad he can't upgrade his computer - cron scripts or Automator might be able to help with that.

[clayj]

Oh, in case no one else caught it... the name in the logo on all of Desmond's stuff was "DHARMA".

[emw]

Oh, in case no one else caught it... the name in the logo on all of Desmond's stuff was "DHARMA".So is there another logo that says "GREG"?

Seriously though, I wonder what the acronym stands for? Or is it something to do with Buddhism?

[dejo]

Michelle Rodriguez makes her first appearance next week... yay! :)

Well, technically her first appearance was during last season. She was chatting with Jack at the airport.

[stonyc]

Well, technically her first appearance was during last season. She was chatting with Jack at the airport.Meh. You know what I meant.. as a regular cast member. :)

[stonyc]

Oh, in case no one else caught it... the name in the logo on all of Desmond's stuff was "DHARMA".Interesting.. here's a defintion of "dharma":

Hinduism & Buddhism.
-The principle or law that orders the universe.
-Individual conduct in conformity with this principle.
-The essential function or nature of a thing.
-Hinduism. Individual obligation with respect to caste, social custom, civil law, and sacred law.
-Buddhism.
-The body of teachings expounded by the Buddha.
-Knowledge of or duty to undertake conduct set forth by the Buddha as a way to enlightenment.
-One of the basic, minute elements from which all things are made.

[Doctor Q]

Lowercase "dharma" might be a religious reference, but I'm guessing that DHARMA in all caps is an acronym for a government program, like DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency).

My theory (subject to frequent change without notice):

There's a government plan to study a tropical disease (and whether it has military uses, if the plot follows convention). The disease, known only by its assigned code numbers, affects polar bears and sharks, and the effects on humans were being monitored from below ground by a research team with a multi-year food and energy supply. It's been going on for many years, since the days of LP records, but the project staff, other than Desmond, were infected and he's now stuck there with his old equipment. His communication system doesn't work, and he's paranoid about the people he knows are on the island ("the others") since they were infected, and in fact might have been brought there as research subjects.

Even more out-on-a-limb: Perhaps the equipment generates a huge magnetic field, as seen with Jack's key, and when focused it can bring down an airliner. In which case Locke was right that the island brought them there.
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[Lyle]

Lowercase "dharma" might be a religious reference, but I'm guessing that DHARMA in all caps is an acronym for a government program, like DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency).Agree.

There's a government plan to study a tropical disease (and whether it has military uses, if the plot follows convention). The disease, known only by its assigned code numbers, affects polar bears and sharks, and the effects on humans were being monitored from below ground by a research team with a multi-year food and energy supply. It's been going on for many years, since the days of LP records, but the project staff, other than Desmond, were infected and he's now stuck there with his old equipment. His communication system doesn't work, and he's paranoid about the people he knows are on the island ("the others") since they were infected, and in fact might have been brought there as research subjects.Given what we know so far, it does seem plausible that there was some kind of experiment going on, maybe something having to do with germ warfare. Desmond's question for Locke ("Are you him?") suggested to me that Desmond's been waiting for someone to come to relieve him of his post. Desmond also asked Locke how they got there, and when he heard that it was a plane crash, Desmond said something like, "So there's still a world out there?" -- that suggested to me that Desmond thought that something would have killed off the rest of the world by now.

I only started watching the show late in the first season, so I rented the Season 1 DVDs last night to try to catch up over the next few days. I'll post here if I notice anything that is especially "interesting" given what we now know (or at least think we know). ;)

Even more out-on-a-limb: Perhaps the equipment generates a huge magnetic field, as seen with Jack's key, and when focused it can bring down an airliner.Interesting idea! I hadn't thought about that possibility.

[stonyc]

Agree.

Given what we know so far, it does seem plausible that there was some kind of experiment going on, maybe something having to do with germ warfare. Desmond's question for Locke ("Are you him?") suggested to me that Desmond's been waiting for someone to come to relieve him of his post. Desmond also asked Locke how they got there, and when he heard that it was a plane crash, Desmond said something like, "So there's still a world out there?" -- that suggested to me that Desmond thought that something would have killed off the rest of the world by now.

I only started watching the show late in the first season, so I rented the Season 1 DVDs last night to try to catch up over the next few days. I'll post here if I notice anything that is especially "interesting" given what we now know (or at least think we know). ;)

Interesting idea! I hadn't thought about that possibility.Wow... great couple posts. I also like the military research angle too, especially given writers' comments that everything on the island could be explained scientifically.

[emw]

Even more out-on-a-limb: Perhaps the equipment generates a huge magnetic field, as seen with Jack's key, and when focused it can bring down an airliner. In which case Locke was right that the island brought them there.
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As for the magnetic field, if it were really that large, wouldn't it disrupt any electric equipment on or near the island (such as the radar system or the radio)?

And perhaps a non-interesting note, there are six letters in DHARMA and six "bad" numbers. Care to figure out that association? (Augggh, memories of ninebows!)

[Doctor Q]

4 - D is the 4th letter :)
8 - H is the 8th letter :)
15 - A is the 1st letter :(
16 - R is the 18th letter :(
23 - M is the 13th letter :(
42 - A is the 1st letter :(

It looked promising for a minute there, didn't it?

Tried the orther way:

D is the 4th letter
H is the 8th letter
O is the 15st letter
P is the 16th letter
W is the 23th letter
? is the 42nd letter

The 42nd letter could be lowercase j if you start counting at 40 hex (to make D=4, H=8, etc.), but DHOPWj doesn't spell anything interesting. If you assume Z=26 and start over at A=27, then P=42, and we get DHOPWP.

Perhaps it really spells deepakchopra (http://store.chopra.com/uploads/namsdeepak.jpg). :D

[clayj]

Oh, by the way...

4 + 8 + 15 + 16 + 23 + 42 = 108

... and 108 is what the timer on Desmond's Apple II reset itself to (technically, 108 00) when he made Locke key in the numbers and press EXECUTE.

[watcher2001]

Hey now, I don't consider myself an American for living in Canada, and I bet Mexicans, Nicaraguans, Brazilians, etc wouldn't like it either.


Amazing, If you live in Germany or France it is OK to be called European because you live on the European continent. However if you live in Canada or Mexico it is a sin to consider you an American??? It is really interesting to see how the United States can give a whole continent a bad rap.

And yes, I know you didn't mean it like that, but it's just another annoying American generalization.

Now is that a US american, Mexican American, or Canadian American generalization. I personally cannot think of anyone here in the States that would consider any other county as American except for the United States of America. Is that vain? Probably.

[Doctor Q]

Consider all integers greater than or equal to 4. Convert them to binary. Count the 1 digits. If the square root of that number is an integer, include the starting number in the list.

OK, here we go...

4 decimal = 100 binary, onecount=1, squareroot(1) = 1, an integer => 4

5 decimal = 101 binary, onecount=2, squareroot(2) not an integer

6 decimal = 110 binary, onecount=2, squareroot(2) not an integer

7 decimal = 111 binary, onecount=3, squareroot(3) not an integer

8 decimal = 1000 binary, onecount=1, squareroot(1) = 1, an integer => 8

9 decimal = 1001 binary, onecount=2, squareroot(2) not an integer

10 decimal = 1010 binary, onecount=2, squareroot(2) not an integer

11 decimal = 1011 binary, onecount=3, squareroot(3) not an integer

12 decimal = 1100 binary, onecount=2, squareroot(2) not an integer

13 decimal = 1101 binary, onecount=3, squareroot(3) not an integer

14 decimal = 1110 binary, onecount=3, squareroot(3) not an integer

15 decimal = 1111 binary, onecount=4, squareroot(4) = 2, an integer => 15

16 decimal = 10000 binary, onecount=1, squareroot(1) = 1, an integer => 16

17 decimal = 10001 binary, onecount=2, squareroot(2) not an integer

18 decimal = 10010 binary, onecount=2, squareroot(2) not an integer

19 decimal = 10011 binary, onecount=3, squareroot(3) not an integer

20 decimal = 10100 binary, onecount=2, squareroot(2) not an integer

21 decimal = 10101 binary, onecount=3, squareroot(3) not an integer

22 decimal = 10110 binary, onecount=3, squareroot(3) not an integer

23 decimal = 10111 binary, onecount=4, squareroot(4) = 2, an integer => 23

24 decimal = 11000 binary, onecount=2, squareroot(2) not an integer

25 decimal = 11001 binary, onecount=3, squareroot(3) not an integer

26 decimal = 11010 binary, onecount=3, squareroot(3) not an integer

27 decimal = 11011 binary, onecount=4, squareroot(4) = 2, an integer => 27, not 42

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! :mad: :mad:

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[watcher2001]

You now doc, I always thought you had too much time on your hands... Now I am sure of it... :)

[Macaddicttt]

Amazing, If you live in Germany or France it is OK to be called European because you live on the European continent. However if you live in Canada or Mexico it is a sin to consider you an American??? It is really interesting to see how the United States can give a whole continent a bad rap.



Now is that a US american, Mexican American, or Canadian American generalization. I personally cannot think of anyone here in the States that would consider any other county as American except for the United States of America. Is that vain? Probably.

Actually, you can blame the British for the word "American" referring only to the US. They're the ones that started it, so now it just makes the US look bad because it looks like we started it.

[Don't panic]

You now doc, I always thought you had too much time on your hands... Now I am sure of it... :)

couldn't agree more :D :D

[jsw]

...
27, not 42

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! :mad: :mad:

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Maybe they just liked the way 101010 looked.... :)

[solvs]

You guys have way too much time on your hands. I'm jealous.

[emw]

Consider all integers greater than or equal to 4. Convert them to binary. Count the 1 digits. If the square root of that number is an integer, include the starting number in the list.

OK, here we go...I'd almost feel bad for getting you onto this track, if I didn't know you enjoyed it so much... ;)

[Doctor Q]

I'd almost feel bad for getting you onto this track, if I didn't know you enjoyed it so much... ;)Oh, it was awful. I got a headache from thinking about it and my fingers are all worn out from scribbling formulas on the walls of my padded cell.

OK, yeah, I had fun. A week or two ago, I read (I think in a comic strip) where somebody was wondering how many prime numbers are in the phone book. For some reason, my wife didn't want to listen to my explanation of how you could figure it out. I can't imagine why. :o

[Nermal]

For some reason, my wife didn't want to listen to my explanation of how you could figure it out. I can't imagine why. :o

I can think of a good reason.

[MongoTheGeek]

Oh, it was awful. I got a headache from thinking about it and my fingers are all worn out from scribbling formulas on the walls of my padded cell.

OK, yeah, I had fun. A week or two ago, I read (I think in a comic strip) where somebody was wondering how many prime numbers are in the phone book. For some reason, my wife didn't want to listen to my explanation of how you could figure it out. I can't imagine why. :o

I am now checking to see if my phone num is prime. Did it by hand up to 50. Time to dig out SMILE.

set mynum to 8675309
set top to ceil (sqrt mynum)
repeat with i from 2 to top
set a to mynum / i
set b to ceil a
if a = b then log i
end repeat


Jenny's number is prime.

Mine isn't its divisible by a 3 and a 5 digit prime.

[Nermal]

Grr, my phone number (1592443) is divisible by 37 :(

I'll have to add the area code and try again :p

Edit: Nope, my phone number + area code is divisible by 857 :(

[Lacero]

I read on Digg the numbers are GPS co-ordinates. They point to an area to the northwest of Australia. Sounds reasonable.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

I'm so ********** mad at TVN (the Norwegian station sending Lost): Season 2 doesn't start until Oct 26th... :mad:

But I can help with people trying to check if their number is a prime, as I wrote a little Java program a couple of years ago... :)

/*
isPrime, version 1.0
by Mitthrawnuruodo
*/

import java.io.*;
import java.net.*;
import java.util.*;
import java.lang.*;

class isPrime {
public static void main ( String[] args ) {
// System.out.println(args.length);
if (args.length < 1) {
System.out.println("You must at least provide one number to check!");
} else {
for (int j = 0; j < args.length; j++){
int a = (Integer.valueOf(args[j])).intValue();
if (a < 4){
System.out.println("" + a + " is too low, cannot be bothered to check something under 3");
} else {
boolean er = true;
for (int i = 2; i<=a/i; i++){
if (a%i == 0) {
System.out.println("" + a + " = " + i + " * " + a/i + "; and thus NOT a prime");
er = false;
break; // No need to find any more common denominators...
}//if
}//for
if (er) System.out.println("" + a + " is a prime, I think... =)");
}//else(a<4)
}//for j=0->args.length
}//else(args<1)
}//main
}//class

[pdpfilms]

Could someone summarize what happened last wednesday? I missed the episode for a Sigur Ros show (completely worth it by the way... they are unbelievable). I heard there were sharks, someone reappeared on the island, and kate was crawling around in the vents?

Thanks.

[Doctor Q]

Could someone summarize what happened last wednesday? I missed the episode for a Sigur Ros show (completely worth it by the way... they are unbelievable). I heard there were sharks, someone reappeared on the island, and kate was crawling around in the vents?ABC's summary is rather brief:Out on the ocean, we find Michael and Sawyer clinging to a couple of pieces of bamboo, trying to survive the elements - but no sign of Jin or Walt. While Michael tries to deal with Walt's abduction, we flashback to learn how he lost Walt in a custody battle with Susan.

On the island, Claire discovers Charlie's Virgin Mary statue, but remains unaware of its contents. And we back up in time to see the journey into the hatch from Locke's perspective, where he encounters Desmond, a man who seems rather concerned about entering a sequence of familiar numbers into a computer.

In the end, Michael and Sawyer make it to shore and are reunited with Jin, only to encounter a whole new element: the Others. I guess they didn't notice the shark!

From another web site:With the abduction of Walt fresh on their minds, their raft destroyed, and Jin missing, Michael and Sawyer fight for their lives in the middle of nowhere in the ocean and discover a new predator in the roiling sea. Meanwhile on land, Locke must descend into the hatch when Kate goes missing inside. Also, Jack isn't too far behind Locke as he decides to go into the hatch as well later on. Laslty, flashbacks reveal more of Michael's troubled relationship with ex-lover Susan and their baby son Walt as they fight over custody for Walt and Michael must let go.

[pdpfilms]

ABC's summary is rather brief:Out on the ocean, we find Michael and Sawyer clinging to a couple of pieces of bamboo, trying to survive the elements - but no sign of Jin or Walt. While Michael tries to deal with Walt's abduction, we flashback to learn how he lost Walt in a custody battle with Susan.

On the island, Claire discovers Charlie's Virgin Mary statue, but remains unaware of its contents. And we back up in time to see the journey into the hatch from Locke's perspective, where he encounters Desmond, a man who seems rather concerned about entering a sequence of familiar numbers into a computer.

In the end, Michael and Sawyer make it to shore and are reunited with Jin, only to encounter a whole new element: the Others. I guess they didn't notice the shark!

From another web site:With the abduction of Walt fresh on their minds, their raft destroyed, and Jin missing, Michael and Sawyer fight for their lives in the middle of nowhere in the ocean and discover a new predator in the roiling sea. Meanwhile on land, Locke must descend into the hatch when Kate goes missing inside. Also, Jack isn't too far behind Locke as he decides to go into the hatch as well later on. Laslty, flashbacks reveal more of Michael's troubled relationship with ex-lover Susan and their baby son Walt as they fight over custody for Walt and Michael must let go.

totally bueno. I didn't realize you could get summaries on ABC's site. thanks!

[AlBDamned]

totally bueno. I didn't realize you could get summaries on ABC's site. thanks!

Wow. Just finished watching Ep. 2-2 and I am now officially hooked with this series. These first two make series 1 look tame. I totally go with the whole experiment idea; there were many (maybe 'the others') but they got sick, hence Desmond's vaccine and seclusion, and that bunker is definitely designed for more than one person.

I didn't actually notice the shark had a logo on it. Keen eyes for whoever did!

The numbers requiring typing every so often could well mean a self-destruct or something?

[Nermal]

I didn't actually notice the shark had a logo on it. Keen eyes for whoever did!

Me! :D

[yellow]

Did anyone else notice that the stuffed bear that Mike gave to Walt before he left for Rome (?) with his mother just happened to be...

<wait for it>

..a polar bear?

[emw]

Did anyone else notice that the stuffed bear that Mike gave to Walt before he left for Rome (?) with his mother just happened to be...

<wait for it>

..a polar bear?Yeah, I commented on that to my wife, who noticed it as well.

[XIII]

Did anyone else notice, on the horizon, when Michael and Sawyer are on the boat... another boat! Heh. :D

Damn, its looking like a great series.

[Lyle]

OK, I rented the Season 1 DVDs and watched the whole thing in a marathon session over the weekend. There are obviously a lot of loose ends that haven't been cleared up, but really only one that is nagging at me for some reason: Do we know what caused Locke's paralysis?

P.S. Yes, I know there are other more interesting questions remaining, but this is the only one that I think might have already been answered (and I just somehow missed it). ;)

[yellow]

Paralysis due to Hysterical Pregnancy

[Lyle]

Paralysis due to Hysterical PregnancyInteresting. Locke should know that a man with his figure just doesn't have child-bearing hips.

[watcher2001]

Do we know what caused Locke's paralysis?
)

I think it is because Terry O'Quinn is a more widely known actor Spoiler??==>so they (the producers) didn't want him to die... :D

[yellow]

I thought they specifically chose relatively unknown actors.. err.. non-major stars.. to heighten the realism?

[stonyc]

I thought they specifically chose relatively unknown actors.. err.. non-major stars.. to heighten the realism?Matthew Fox was well-known for his part on Party of Five... Dominic Monaghan is well-known for being a hobbit.. and Michelle Rodriguez has been in quite a few box office hits (depending on your tastes) like The Fast and the Furious, Resident Evil and SWAT. And Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje (appearing soon) is known to many fans of HBO's Oz..

So while I would generally agree with your statement that most of the actors on Lost aren't major stars... a few of them you couldn't really call unknown either.

Plus, the list of possible guest stars is full of more well known actors such as Katey Sagal and at one point (she was supposed to appear in the second episode) Jolene Blalock.

[Lyle]

I think it is because Terry O'Quinn is a more widely known actor... so they (the producers) didn't want him to die... :DI am living in a twilight zone episode or something? I was asking if it has been revealed what in Locke's history caused his paralysis, and so far I've gotten what I assume was a joke response (hysterical pregnancy) and now watcher2001's theory that the cause of Locke's paralysis was that the producers didn't want him to die.

Let me try this again.

In the first season, we saw that Locke was certainly able to walk as a younger man (e.g. when he worked at the toy store). We also saw him undergo surgery to donate a kidney to his father, but he was up and walking (and driving) after that surgery. Am I right that so far, nothing has been revealed in Locke's back story to explain how he lost the use of his legs, i.e. how he ended up in a wheelchair?

Good freaking grief.

[watcher2001]

I thought they specifically chose relatively unknown actors.. err.. non-major stars.. to heighten the realism?


You are correct, most of them are. If you do IMDB search you will see tht most of the cast only have 8-12 credits to their name. There are however a few seasoned actors in the cast.

The faces I really noticed were

Dominic Monaghan: (Charlie) He played Merry in all three of the LOTR movies.

Harold Perrineau Jr: (Michael) He played Link in the last two Matrix movies.

and then you have
Terry O'Quinn: (Locke)
who in my opinion is one of the best supporting actor of all times with over 70 credits to his name. I remember him mostly from the TV series Jag (he played a charecter named Boone...Coincidence???) and also as the "Shadow Man" from the X-files series. He has had a few starring roles as well. Most notably the stepfather from the Stepfather and Stepfather 2 movies. If you haven't seen them check them out. I haven't seen them in a while but I remember them being pretty good.


OK, This meeting of the Terry O'Quinn fan club has now come to a close :) :)

[watcher2001]

Am I right that so far, nothing has been revealed in Locke's back story to explain how he lost the use of his legs, i.e. how he ended up in a wheelchair?

Good freaking grief.

Didn't they show him getting hit by a car? I would have to go back and watch season one again. I am pretty sure it was stated that he would never walk again.

As for why he lost use of his legs again. I was kind of half joking about them not wanting to kill off Terry but I think the official response was "The island didn't want him in the plane" IIRC he lost use of his legs right as they were going to the plane and then once the plane "Crashed" he got the use back.

[Lyle]

Didn't they show him getting hit by a car? I would have to go back and watch season one again. I am pretty sure it was stated that he would never walk again.Hmmm, I don't think so; but I'm not sure. I know that, for example, we saw Michael (Walt's father) get hit by a car. And we know that Sarah (Jack's wife) was in an automobile accident that broke her back and should have paralyzed her for life.

It may be the case that they haven't actually explained what it was that caused Locke's paralysis (i.e. pre-Oceanic Flight 815). I just wanted to make sure I hadn't missed it somewhere along the way.

As for why he lost use of his legs again...Maybe I've missed something, but when did Locke lose the use of his legs "again"? Are you talking about the stuff right before Boone's death, when Locke was getting a little weak in the knees (so to speak)?

[watcher2001]

Hmmm, I don't think so; but I'm not sure. I know that, for example, we saw Michael (Walt's father) get hit by a car. And we know that Sarah (Jack's wife) was in an automobile accident that broke her back and should have paralyzed her for life.

It may be the case that they haven't actually explained what it was that caused Locke's paralysis (i.e. pre-Oceanic Flight 815). I just wanted to make sure I hadn't missed it somewhere along the way.

I went back and looked and we do see Locke getting hit by a car in the toy store parking lot but he gets up and shakes it off. Upon retrospect I don't think they have explained his paralysis.



Maybe I've missed something, but when did Locke lose the use of his legs "again"? Are you talking about the stuff right before Boone's death, when Locke was getting a little weak in the knees (so to speak)?

Yes, right before Boone's death. I don't have that episode saved anymore but IIRC Locke got a little more than "Weak in the knees". Didn't Boone have to end up carrying him to the plane toward the end of the hike?

[rickvanr]

Locke's paralysis was caused by stress. He met his real father, they had a great time, donated his kidney and then his father cut off contact with him, because all the guy wanted was the kidney.

[clayj]

Locke's paralysis was caused by stress. He met his real father, they had a great time, donated his kidney and then his father cut off contact with him, because all the guy wanted was the kidney.I don't think we actually know for a fact that Locke's paralysis was caused by stress, hysteria, or anything else. We never saw Locke actually become paralyzed.

[rickvanr]

I don't think we actually know for a fact that Locke's paralysis was caused by stress, hysteria, or anything else. We never saw Locke actually become paralyzed.

No, but we saw the doctor's appointment and them talking about it.

[XIII]

BTW...

The "Others" look pretty funky. :)

[Lyle]

I went back and looked and we do see Locke getting hit by a car in the toy store parking lot but he gets up and shakes it off. Upon retrospect I don't think they have explained his paralysis.Yep, you're right that he was hit by that car in the parking lot (while he was chasing his mother). But he didn't become paralyzed at that point. Hmmm.

Yes, right before Boone's death. I don't have that episode saved anymore but IIRC Locke got a little more than "Weak in the knees". Didn't Boone have to end up carrying him to the plane toward the end of the hike?Yeah, you're right. Based on what I'm reading on some other message boards, it sounds like most people have concluded that the island made a "deal" with Locke (whether Locke understood it completely at the time): Either give the island a sacrifice (Boone) or lose your ability to walk again. :eek:

[joepunk]

When Lock lost the use of his legs again, he had to sit down and that was when he saw the plane. If Lock had not lost the ability to walk at that point, he would have also gone into the plane and would have died. So, maybe the island made him immobile so he could not die when the plane fell. Just a thought.

[AlBDamned]

Me! :D


Ah - A mod spotted it. Should have known... ;)

[Lacero]

The logo on the underside of the shark was visible for about 10 frames, long enough to be noticed.

[pdpfilms]

The logo on the underside of the shark was visible for about 10 frames, long enough to be noticed.

Screen shots anyone???

[Lacero]

http://www3.telus.net/poojja/losts202.jpg

[pdpfilms]

http://www3.telus.net/poojja/losts202.jpg

Holy crap! This is cool... this looks alot like one of those compasses that someone posted earlier. Any ideas anyone, now that we can all see it?

[Doctor Q]

Gee, I wonder how a natural beauty mark common to that species of shark just happened to appear in the chamber underneath the island? Probably just a coincidence.

[pdpfilms]

Gee, I wonder how a natural beauty mark common to that species of shark just happened to appear in the chamber underneath the island? Probably just a coincidence.
Ahhh, damn. You're right. If you look closely, there's also a mole on it in the shape of an Enron symbol.

[AlBDamned]

I was at a conference today and one of the main speakers, while discussing confucius' philosophy managed to mention John Locke and Russo.

So, I ask him at the end about it and it turns out, John Locke was a philosopher whose ideas reached into the American Civil War, and Russo was a well-used term for Russia in various Russo-XX Vs. XX civil wars in the 19th and 20th centuries....

Interesting...

[MongoTheGeek]

I was at a conference today and one of the main speakers, while discussing confucius' philosophy managed to mention John Locke and Russo.

So, I ask him at the end about it and it turns out, John Locke was a philosopher whose ideas reached into the American Civil War, and Russo was a well-used term for Russia in various Russo-XX Vs. XX civil wars in the 19th and 20th centuries....

Interesting...

This has been gone over before in this thread... but.

John Locke was a 17th century English Philosopher. His work was on contractarian Philosophy. He built on some of the works of Hobbes.

John-Jack(Jean-Jacques actually) ;) Rousseau built on Locke's work in the 18th century.

Contractarian Philosophy states that civilization is an agreement or contract between the members of society where we trace certain rights in order to receive certain guarantees. The philosophy starts out with people in a "State of Nature" in which there are no rules. Kill and be killed. Rousseau had this as being somewhat idyllic with a decline into barbarism followed by the rise of the agreed to society.

The rights you give up to enter into society vary by philosopher. Hobbes had it as giving up almost all free will to be bound to the will of the rightful sovereign (patrilineal descendant of Adam, the king loved Hobbes like the Medici's loved Machivelli and oddly their writings have a similar feel...) Locke had you giving up the right to kill each other and to steal. Rousseau stated that since personal possessions were derived from your labor and living that those too are forfeit to the common good. Rousseau had a lot of the kernel of socialism in his writings without the rigorous approach of Marx and Engles. It was a dandified dilettante version of communism. All of them believed that if someone violated the social contract that the person could be killed etc. with impunity. Likewise between nation states there was no social contract (aside from treaties) which meant that war was entirely justified.

Many of the differences between America and Europe are reflected in the differences between Locke and Rousseau (the philosophers.)

I guess Prof. Bicherri would be proud of my summary.

[combatcolin]

I Love the show, but i can't be arsed to wade through all of this thread.

Would like to say thing, aplologies if someone else has mentioned it.

All of the main charecters lives seemed to have improved since they were crash landed on the island.

And, yes, Mr Lock is cool.

[XIII]

On tonight..! :D

[Lyle]

All of the main charecters lives seemed to have improved since they were crash landed on the island.Boone might beg to differ. ;)

[MongoTheGeek]

Boone might beg to differ. ;)

Well he doesn't have to put up with his skank of a sister anymore. The person who he loves the most who was dedicated to making him miserable.

[AlBDamned]

I guess Prof. Bicherri would be proud of my summary.

Cheers Mong. I figured I may have had the Russo name wrong as I couldn't make the link between the two in the way the speaker at the conference had done. However, after two days at said conference I couldn't be stuffed to spend any more time looking it up last night :p

Makes much more sense now. :)

[GorillaPaws]

I've recently become addicted to this show. My girlfriend got me into it and I've since bought the 1st season on DVD and watched it marathon style (it was nice to not have to wait for weeks to find out what happened, and also no commercials!). Anyways, I didn't read the whole thread but I've heard some ideas that are pretty interesting. So... here it goes:

1. Magnets pulling the plane out of the sky. Well, we know the plane was at 40k feet, so it would require a ridiculous amount of power to pull off. Plus I think most commercial airliners are mostly made of aluminum alloys (I may be way wrong on that one though, feel free to correct me) thus not really magnetic. This is not to say there aren't magnetic forces at work. I personally like the vortex/bermuda triangle theory with the magnetic nodes/poles spaced across the planet in line w/ the Philedelphia experiment stuff. It's what seems to make the most "sense" (in a pseudoscience kind of way) explaining how the Black Rock, the beechcraft plane and other craft wound up so far away from where they should have been.


2. I have a gut feeling that Leonard (the crazy guy who kept repeating the numbers in the mental hospital), may have been in the hatch at some point. Possible timeline = dude x in bunker, broadcasting the numbers. Leonard and his buddy (forget his name) hear numbers at listening post while in the service. His buddy plays numbers in Australia and bad stuff happens. Leonard hears about this so decides to track down source. Winds up in bunker somehow, and replaces dude x. Has to input the numbers every 108 mins. Desmond meets Jack on bleachers while prepping for his "race around the world." Desmond replaces Leonard in hatch (I don't think Desmond's been there since the 60-70's). Leonard is wacko from his ordeal of many years. Goes to mental hospital. Hurley hears numbers.... the rest is well known. Just a theory.

3. Still not sure about how the securty system plays into all of this. Is Dharma (i.e. Desmond et al.) in control of it/them? or is Desmond a slave to it/ hiding from it in his hatch? thoughts?

4. The others. Maybe decendants from the Black Rock/other crashed vessels? Their obsession w/ children = tring to increase gene pool (ie. fear of imbreeding?). Could the sickness be smallpox or some other old virus that modern man no longer has antibodies to?

5. I have a bad feeling that they're going to kill off Desmond tonight (the same way they did Ethan) to avoid answering a lot of these questions.

[Dr. Dastardly]

4. The others. Maybe decendants from the Black Rock/other crashed vessels? Their obsession w/ children = tring to increase gene pool (ie. fear of imbreeding?). Could the sickness be smallpox or some other old virus that modern man no longer has antibodies to?

I don't think its an obsession with children, just an obsession with Walt. They could have easily taken the Claire's baby when they had a chance but they went out of their way to go after Walt on the boat.

[yellow]

I must point out how funny Jack's fake hair looked for his flashbacks for his time healing his future wife.

[AlBDamned]

I must point out how funny Jack's fake hair looked for his flashbacks for his time healing his future wife.

Indeedy. Did anyone say toupee?!
I'm now going to stop reading this thread until I've got my hands on Episode 3. Enjoy, you lucky stateside souls...

[Doctor Q]

All of the main charecters lives seemed to have improved since they were crash landed on the island.That's certainly true for some of them. Kate would have been in jail.

Speaking of better/worse, we haven't seen the lady whose name I can never remember, who used to sit on the beach keeping to herself and was convinced her husband is still alive. So far, her life hasn't improved much and her situation is ripe for some development.

[joepunk]

That's certainly true for some of them. Kate would have been in jail.

Speaking of better/worse, we haven't seen the lady whose name I can never remember, who used to sit on the beach keeping to herself and was convinced her husband is still alive. So far, her life hasn't improved much and her situation is ripe for some development.Rose?

[Lyle]

This is not to say there aren't magnetic forces at work...Don't forget that somewhere early on in Season 1, Locke pointed out that his compass didn't seem to be pointing in the correct direction(s), suggesting that there was some weird magnetic mojo going on.

[Lyle]

I have a gut feeling that Leonard (the crazy guy who kept repeating the numbers in the mental hospital), may have been in the hatch at some point... Desmond replaces Leonard in hatch...Yes, I agree that either Leonard or his buddy was one of the previous hatchmasters, and that Desmond took over for one of them. And that Desmond's been waiting for his replacement to show up for some time now. ;)

[Lyle]

Rose?Yes, Rose. I think it is true that we haven't seen much of her lately because the actress has been busy doing a play or something. I think it's also true that her husband (and some others from the tail section of the plane) survived and that we'll see some of them real soon now. If nothing else, we know that Ana Lucia survived (and she was sitting in seat 42-something).

[pdpfilms]

I just returned from a Psych class in which we touched on the name John Locke for a bit....

He did lost of work concerning perception and perceptual reality. One of his experiments (that we talked about today) had to do with room temperature water.

When you put your hand in room temperature water, it feels like room temperature.

If you then run that same hand under cold tap water, then feel the original room temperature water, it feels warm.

Conversely, if you run your hand under hot tap water, the original water will feel cool.

The room temperature water does not change in any way, however your perception of the water changes noticably.

What I got from the whole thing was that Locke concluded that our experiences were not dictated by our environment. If they were, the water would feel the same each time we put our hand in it. What Locke is proposing is that experiences are dictated by perception, which in itself is a blurry topic.

I have a few ideas as to how this might apply to what's going on with Lost, but I'll spare you in order to keep it open to interperetation.

[Jomoma]

Alright, after this last episode, I can't decide if they really need to push that button or not. Very interesting and twisted if it's just an experiment.

The film was behind a book, was it the Turn of the Screw? Anyone know if that might be a hint (I'm not familar with the story.)

The show is definately brillant

[Lyle]

I expected the explanation for what's going on inside the hatch to be a lot more mysterious than it is. Of course, we don't know all of the details yet, by a long shot. But I was a little disappointed with that part.

I had a strong hunch that Jin (the Korean man) could actually speak English (and this was confirmed in the previews for next weeks episode). We didn't actually know that until now, did we?

I think the most surprising thing for me in tonight's episode was when Ana Lucia betrayed them. I did not see that one coming! :eek:

[MongoTheGeek]

I think the most surprising thing for me in tonight's episode was when Ana Lucia betrayed them. I did not see that one coming! :eek:

It sorta makes sense. If that was another group of passengers who had been besieged by the others, it makes a good tactic to interrogate prisoners. She seemed honestly shocked when she heard about the plane crash.

As for pushing the button, I don't know. They mentioned Skinner in the video. Skinner is the father of behavioral conditioning. He is the one who came up with the rat in the cage and the electric shocks. Whether this is a a giant skinner box, perhaps one that has gone on far too long, I don't know.

Also Locke was doing Peggy Bundy.

[sarae]

The film was behind a book, was it the Turn of the Screw? Anyone know if that might be a hint (I'm not familar with the story.)


Yeah, the book was Turn of the Screw, by Henry James. I actually adore that book - haven't read it in awhile but the basic plotline is that it is supposedly a true story given to the narrator. It is told from the point of view of a governess taking care of two children basically in the middle of nowhere, with just a few household servants, no parents. Odd things begin happening, and the governess is convinced the children are seeing ghosts and are becoming possessed by them. I don't remember much of the "details," but in the class where I read it, we spent a long time talking about how nothing is every clearly stated - the reader is never certain if it truly is a simple ghost story, or if it's more of a story about psychosis, ie the governess is hallucinating things, but since we only see her point of view, we can never be sure.

A big part of the story is the fact that the characters never truly communicate, and consistently read into others' vague statements, inferring a potentially different meaning. Also, none of the people on the island have been privy to everything that's happened, and they constantly have to rely on others' beliefs/impressions to learn what they can about the world.

I thought the placement was especially appropriate in the show, as it just kind of highlights all the uncertainties that abound - and, like the title, things keep getting worse and worse.

Anyways, nothing much about the episode, except I loved it. :p I liked how Hurley stopped having a problem with the code when Locke got the last number wrong.

[pdpfilms]

Ok, the orientation video mentioned a few things of interest. Things like magnetic fields, phsychology, and what caught me off guard was the fact that this was the "swan" station... the station for studying the electromagnetic properties of that particular section of the island. This implies there are more "sections" of the island, and possibly more stations as well.

Think you might all enjoy this little website right here...

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/

This is the website of the "founder" of DHARMA... Alvar Hanso. His organization has some interesting projects...

-Life Extension
-Electromagnetic Research Initiative
-Quest For Extraterrestrial Intelligence
-Mathematical Forecasting Initiative
-Cryogenics Development Imperative
-Juxtapositional Eugenics Institute
-Accelerated Remote Viewing Training Facility

This website is obviously an official direct offshoot of Lost (as seen when you click on the "Terms of Use" link at the bottom of the homepage). These projects are all quite interesting, and I assume at least one of them explains the hatch and the island. However, I think some, such as "Quest For Extraterrestrial Intelligence" were added just to bait viewers subscribing to false theories, example being the alien abduction theory.
The one I'm most interested in, especially after tonight's episode, is the "Accelerated Remote Viewing Training Facility". Jack was so insistant that the execution of the numbers was an experiment in observation... that Desmond was being tested to see how long he would continue this process to show his faith.
Faith is a big theme for this show, especially for Locke. At least once an episode Locke can be found making references to it, or telling members on the island directly to "have faith". Hell- in this episode alone, the concept of a Leap of Faith was presented at least twice. I personally can come up with no ideas as to what might happen if the numbers are not entered, or why they would need to be.

My theory is that entering these numbers is not futile, but has some sort of effect on the world off the island. Initially I thought that Desmond's entering of the numbers might cause the transmittance of the sequence over the radio... using the tower that was causing radio interference last season, and possibly the same transmission that brought Hurley to the Island. Now, i'm not so sure about that one... seems too direct for Lost. But I'm still convinced that Desmond is doing something by entering these numbers, but has been completely misinformed by DHARMA about his actions for a reason.

That's all I have for now, folks... but I'll be back. Have faith.

EDIT: I told you I'd be back. Just reviewed the Hanso site, to find this on Alvar Hanso's section:

Still running his vast network of companies, Hanso has set new standards for philanthropy and the support of pure scientific research for the betterment of the entire race.

This makes me feel almost 100% sure that Dharma or one of the companies in Hanso's "Vast Network" is using the island to observe and test humans.

[Doctor Q]

I loved the look and feel of that old film. What do you bet it was done with Final Cut Pro?

I had a strong hunch that Jin (the Korean man) could actually speak English (and this was confirmed in the previews for next weeks episode). We didn't actually know that until now, did we?Why did you have that hunch? That preview scene was a complete surprise to me. If he could speak English, why didn't he in previous emergencies when it would have helped?

Do you remember Locke right before he got on the plane? In that flashback we saw last season, somebody named Helen didn't come with him as planned. Now we know who Helen is.

Hurley summed up the computer room very succinctly: "Dude". He sure has a way with words! Also: "Did you find it?" "That depends on the meaning of 'It'." :D

I found this on the Hanso web site:

www.thehansofoundation.org/images/vid_placeholder.gif (http://www.thehansofoundation.org/images/vid_placeholder.gif)

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/images/vid_placeholder.gif

[Lyle]

Why did you have that hunch? That preview scene was a complete surprise to me.There is a flashback scene from the first season when Jin and Sun are at the airport waiting for their flight, and Sun spills a drink on Jin. He goes to the bathroom to clean up and while there is confronted by one of Mr. Paik's henchmen. I don't remember the exact words of their exchange (which was in Korean), but the henchman was essentially trying to warn Jin not to try any funny business, and that he would never be free from Mr. Paik. It strongly suggested to me that Jin was somehow planning for he and Sun to "escape" once they made it to America (and that Mr. Paik had somehow figured this out for himself). I think it was at that point that I got the feeling that Jin might have secretly learned English (to make it easier for he and Sun to find help, etc. when they got to America).

If he could speak English, why didn't he in previous emergencies when it would have helped?Well, now, that I don't know. It's obviously a good question. Could it be some kind of pride thing? I dunno.

[roadapple]

If the french lady can speak english, why was her radio transmission only in French?

[emw]

I don't think its an obsession with children, just an obsession with Walt. They could have easily taken the Claire's baby when they had a chance but they went out of their way to go after Walt on the boat.
Yeah, if it were a gene pool thing, they'd want women of child-bearing age perhaps, as well as men.

Of course, starting with younger children makes it less likely they'll fight the "society".

[Don't panic]

two details to add to the plot:

1. maybe this is already well known, but the shark symbol it is NOT the swan symbol. Maybe a separate substation ? (kinda look like a peacock)

2. the hanso site: there is a 'secret' mouseover that highlights "the dharma initiative", although nothing happens when you click

[stonyc]

two details to add to the plot:

1. maybe this is already well known, but the shark symbol it is NOT the swan symbol. Maybe a separate substation ? (kinda look like a peacock)

2. the hanso site: there is a 'secret' mouseover that highlights "the dharma initiative", although nothing happens when you clickThe orientation did mention they were interested in zoological studies (did you see the polar bears in the movie?), so the sharks could be a part of that study/lab.

I was thinking out loud with my wife this morning... but what if the facility Desmond is looking after houses some sort of nuclear fusion lab? Perhaps the electromagnetic research is to be used to contain the reactor and every 108 minutes the field has to be recharged/re-polarized/restarted/whatever? No clue, but interesting.

Thinking back along the lines of other research stations on the island... but if there other habitats on the island, what are the odds the survivors find a map to another station, say the zoological one, and find out that one is empty/its caretakers dead? That would explain the free-range polar bears.. :)

Also, on the Hanso foundation website, one of the research projects/goals is Life-extension. What if the "others" are the result of that research but somehow got sick... mentally ill? I dunno.. hehe, this is fun. :)

[XIII]

Tbh, we didn't learn too much from that episode... I did kinda want Jack to let the timer run down though.... :)

What was the name of the guy who was doing shifts with Desmond down the shaft? Is that the mental guy?

[Doctor Q]

I liked Desmond saying "see you in another life" to Jack yet again.

As pointed out above by clayj, the numbers add up to 108, which is the number of minutes on the perpetual countdown timer. I like that tidy mathematical aspect.

Hurley was ready to let them use the wrong numbers, which makes sense, but it's a little odd that Kate has said nothing about the science-vs.-faith debate. Does she care whether they enter the numbers (because it will save the world) or skip it (because it's all a psychological experiment)?

Next week: Hurley And The Food. That should be fun!

[Doctor Q]

What was the name of the guy who was doing shifts with Desmond down the shaft? Is that the mental guy?I thought Desmond said his partner died, so the guy in the mental institution must have been an earlier operator, or one from another station.

[XIII]

I liked Desmond saying "see you in another life" to Jack yet again.

As pointed out above by clayj, the numbers add up to 108, which is the number of minutes on the perpetual countdown timer. I like that tidy mathematical aspect.

Hurley was ready to let them use the wrong numbers, which makes sense, but it's a little odd that Kate has said nothing about the science-vs.-faith debate. Does she care whether they enter the numbers (because it will save the world) or skip it (because it's all a psychological experiment)?

Next week: Hurley And The Food. That should be fun!

That maths makes me smile. :) Hurley and the food... heh. I also found it odd that the "others" speak english too...

[XIII]

I thought Desmond said his partner died, so the guy in the mental institution must have been an earlier operator, or one from another station.

Yeah, I guess. Desmond said the name as though we ought to know who it is.. and no one questioned who it was. Thats what made me think..

[stonyc]

Yeah, I guess. Desmond said the name as though we ought to know who it is.. and no one questioned who it was. Thats what made me think..Wasn't his name Kelvin? Calvin?

[yellow]

I think at the moment, the situation was just a little bit too surreal and was overwhelming. I found it a bit lame that Jack was so adamant about it being BS the whole time and pretty much caved too easily at the end of the episode.

[stonyc]

I was kind of disappointed Michelle Rodriguez turned out to be one of the Others (I guess)... I'm guessing she gets killed off eventually, shame.

[clayj]

Wasn't his name Kelvin? Calvin?It was Kelvin... I remember thinking that it was odd he'd have the same name as Lord Kelvin.

[rickvanr]

Great episode last night. Anyone know where I could find next week's preview?

- found it, silly me.

[Doctor Q]

It sorta makes sense. If that was another group of passengers who had been besieged by the others, it makes a good tactic to interrogate prisoners. She seemed honestly shocked when she heard about the plane crash.But didn't she say "Flight 815?" to them?

[rickvanr]

But didn't she say "Flight 815?" to them?

She did.

[Macaddicttt]

It was Kelvin... I remember thinking that it was odd he'd have the same name as Lord Kelvin.

I thought he said "Calvin" and it just sort of sounded like "Kelvin" because of his accent. Although I could be wrong.

[clayj]

She did.Well, we KNOW that she was on the same flight as everyone else... but if the rear end of the plane came down on a different part of the island, then any survivors from that section were likely killed or assimilated by the Others.

This raises an interesting question about Rose's husband... if he truly survived the crash (as Rose believed he did), then he's either been killed by the Others (or by something else), has JOINED the Others, or is being held prisoner by the Others.

[rickvanr]

Well, we KNOW that she was on the same flight as everyone else... but if the rear end of the plane came down on a different part of the island, then any survivors from that section were likely killed or assimilated by the Others.

This raises an interesting question about Rose's husband... if he truly survived the crash (as Rose believed he did), then he's either been killed by the Others (or by something else), has JOINED the Others, or is being held prisoner by the Others.

Why do you see everything in black and white? It could be there are 2 camps of plane crash survivors, and that the one that has Sawyer, Micheal and Jin are just a little more primitive because of their makeup. My guess is the group of people that have taken Sawyer and company captive are not the same others as the ones who took Walt.

[yellow]

You know, there's no PROOF that they were captured by "The Others", only Jin saying that they were "The Others".

[Lyle]

You know, there's no PROOF that they were captured by "The Others", only Jin saying that they were "The Others".You beat me to it. Jin could be assuming that since these nice people took him captive and tied him up, they must be the "Others" that everyone's been talking about.

I think it's reasonable to assume that the people on the boat, the ones that kidnapped Walt, are the "Others" that Rousseau (the French Chick) was referring to. We just don't know that they are connected to this new bunch that have captured Michael, Sawyer and Jin.

[watcher2001]

Is it just me or did the orientation video seem really choppy, almost as if portions were cut out of it? Didn't Desmond say something along the lines of "Watch the video to see what happens if the code is not entered"? Did it show anything? If so, what was it, because I missed it...

[rickvanr]

Is it just me or did the orientation video seem really choppy, almost as if portions were cut out of it? Didn't Desmond say something along the lines of "Watch the video to see what happens if the code is not entered"? Did it show anything? If so, what was it, because I missed it...

Yeah especially at the end, the guy was about to give the big explanation about what the whole deal was about the swan station and then it just jumped to his next topic. It was pretty blatant on purpose I think. The whole "do not attempt to use the computer for..... blurp... Congratulations.."

And right at then end after the thank you's, its appears he's about to say "and one last thing" or something along those lines, but gets cut off again.

[clayj]

Is it just me or did the orientation video seem really choppy, almost as if portions were cut out of it? Didn't Desmond say something along the lines of "Watch the video to see what happens if the code is not entered"? Did it show anything? If so, what was it, because I missed it...The likely reason for the choppiness (within the show itself, not as far as WE are concerned) is that over repeated viewings of the film, the film could get damaged, burned, melted, etc. Desmond and his predecessors have undoubtedly had to repair the film, by cutting out the damaged sections and splicing it back together, many times. Don't forget, that film was 25 years old (copyright date of 1980 at the end).

For our purposes, it allows the writers to omit certain facts they don't want us to know yet.

[Doctor Q]

This raises an interesting question about Rose's husband... if he truly survived the crash (as Rose believed he did), then he's either been killed by the Others (or by something else), has JOINED the Others, or is being held prisoner by the Others.Might he have been one of the people we saw?

[rdowns]

So many questions, I don't even know what to ask anymore. The writers are sure toying with us.

Wonder if they have AppleCare on that computer?

[Doctor Q]

Wonder if they have AppleCare on that computer?All they needed was Internet access. Then they could have launched Firefox and headed to MacRumors for advice.

[m-dogg]

All they needed was Internet access. Then they could have launched Firefox and headed to MacRumors for advice.

I wonder if there's wi-fi there?

Anyway, enjoying this thread. I'm a relatively new lost addict and its been interesting learning about some of the little details. I've certainly learned to pay much more attention as I watch now...

[iPoster]

I'll be happy when they stop spending 1/2 of each episode re-hashing what happened in the previous episode! :mad:

[Don't panic]

anyone remembers if hurley was there when locke was entering the wrong last number? wouldn't he know that, of course, the last number must be 42?

also anyone knows if the section of the plane of 'our' group included first class? it just occurred to me that a multimillionaire like hurley would certainly travel first class in a trans-oceanic flight

[pdpfilms]

anyone remembers if hurley was there when locke was entering the wrong last number? wouldn't he know that, of course, the last number must be 42?

also anyone knows if the section of the plane of 'our' group included first class? it just occurred to me that a multimillionaire like hurley would certainly travel first class in a trans-oceanic flight

Yeah, Hurley was there. When Locke was entering the numbers Hurley was beginning to get frightened, until he saw Locke put in the wrong last number, and he became agreable.

At least part of the first class section is with "our" group. Both Shanon and Boone were flying first class, as was Hurley I assume.

[Don't panic]

Yeah, Hurley was there. When Locke was entering the numbers Hurley was beginning to get frightened, until he saw Locke put in the wrong last number, and he became agreable.

At least part of the first class section is with "our" group. Both Shanon and Boone were flying first class, as was Hurley I assume.

thanks

then here is the 64.000 turkish liras question: where was desmond running to?

[pdpfilms]

thanks

then here is the 64.000 turkish liras question: where was desmond running to?

my house to get me off macrumors.

[yellow]

where was desmond running to?

As far away as possible, he said. (paraphrasing)

[watcher2001]

anyone remembers if hurley was there when locke was entering the wrong last number? wouldn't he know that, of course, the last number must be 42?
Hurley believes the numbers are BAD Which was exactly why he calmed down when the last number was entered wrong. Now does this really make sense? Think of it from a lottery standpoint. If you get all the numbers right you are going to win the jackpot, in the case of powerball Millions. But if you get 5 of the 6 right you are still going to win a considerable chunk of cash. 200,000 for the powerball. Now relate money to bad luck. Would Hurley be OK with still a good chunk of bad luck or does he believe it is all or nothing?


also anyone knows if the section of the plane of 'our' group included first class? it just occurred to me that a multimillionaire like hurley would certainly travel first class in a trans-oceanic flight


I thought it showed where Hurley got on the plane late and had to go past a bunch of rows to get to his seat? I think he was in business class. Anyone still have that ep recorded.

[3rdpath]

i thought micheal tossed the gun into the ocean after shooting the shark...
how did sawyer get it?

also, wasn't the music blasting when kate was crawling thru the duct-next episode, it's gone.

continuity problems really bug me.

[Don't panic]

As far away as possible, he said. (paraphrasing)

ok, but where? he knows he is on an island with no 'civilization' so what gives?

edit: one more thing: if you go to www.thehansofoundation.org and click on the secret link, you get the orientation movie (which didn't work with safari, but I'm still on 10.2.8)

[yellow]

It worked in Safari in Panther.

[Lyle]

I thought it showed where Hurley got on the plane late and had to go past a bunch of rows to get to his seat? I think he was in business class.I assume you mean coach class. But yes, Hurley was sitting at least as far back as Michael and Walt, because when Hurley was walking down the aisle, Walt looked up and Hurley gave Walt the thumbs-up.

[Don't panic]

It worked in Safari in Panther.
i had to use explorer. a LOT of stuff doesn't appear to work in safari, but i can't update because some of the software i use won't work in panther/tiger yet very annoying.
in the site they also fixed the www.thehansofoundation.org/images
now you get a white page instead of the directory of the files as yesterday (some of the files there you can guess i.e. dharma.gif or alvarhanso.jpg)

[Doctor Q]

if you go to www.thehansofoundation.org and click on the secret link, you get the orientation movie (which didn't work with safari, but I'm still on 10.2.8)People may be able to view it directly at http://www.thehansofoundation.org/videostream.swf.


Frame capture: Bears Gone Wild

[Lyle]

i thought micheal tossed the gun into the ocean after shooting the shark... how did sawyer get it?I don't have the tape of that episode anymore, but if you're right, that's a serious continuity error.

also, wasn't the music blasting when kate was crawling thru the duct-next episode, it's gone.The music was definitely blasting for part of the time that Kate was climbing through the duct, but I can't remember exactly where Episode 3 (last Wednesday's episode) picked up. I'm pretty sure that by the time Jack sees Locke standing there, with Desmond in the shadows pointing the gun at Locke's head, the music had been turned off. And then Desmond fires his gun into the air in anger, and almost hits Kate, who's hiding up in the ductwork. So this one may not be a continuity error... ;)

[pdpfilms]

ok, but where? he knows he is on an island with no 'civilization' so what gives?

edit: one more thing: if you go to www.thehansofoundation.org and click on the secret link, you get the orientation movie (which didn't work with safari, but I'm still on 10.2.8)

What's the 'secret' link?

EDIT: Found it.

[atszyman]

i thought micheal tossed the gun into the ocean after shooting the shark...
how did sawyer get it?

Micheal set the gun on the raft and paddled over to the pontoon after shooting the shark. He didn't toss it into the ocean. Neither he nor Sawyer grabbed it when getting onto the pontoon but since everything seems to be caught in the same current there's no reason he couldn't have gotten it later.

[tagy]

what if 'the others' and the new girl, are all the passengers from the back of the plane. They have been living somewhere else on the island, adapted in a different way, and take any strangers prisoner.

[Doctor Q]

what if 'the others' and the new girl, are all the passengers from the back of the plane. They have been living somewhere else on the island, adapted in a different way, and take any strangers prisoner.The French lady saw "the others" long before Jack and Kate and the rest dropped in, so if the people in the cheap seats on Flight 815 are others then those others must be other others.

[robcts]

Anyone see the promo pictures for next week's episode?

[plinden]

anyone remembers if hurley was there when locke was entering the wrong last number? wouldn't he know that, of course, the last number must be 42?

Isn't 42 the Answer to Life, The Universe and Everything?

[stonyc]

Why do you see everything in black and white? It could be there are 2 camps of plane crash survivors, and that the one that has Sawyer, Micheal and Jin are just a little more primitive because of their makeup. My guess is the group of people that have taken Sawyer and company captive are not the same others as the ones who took Walt.I was talking this one over with my wife, and I like this idea a lot.

Maybe the other camp of survivors (from the tail section) descended into a "Lord of the Flies" situation, where civilized society and behavior became secondary to surivival. Maybe the only the reason the original survivors (Jack, et al) didn't fall into the same sort of situation was because of a strong leader and people with skills available to help keep them alive and more comfortable.

I really like that theory that Walt is being held by the actual Others (who Ethan and blackbeard, etc. came from) and that these captors are actually the other survivors from the crash who developed a more primitive society than our other survivors did.

One point to add strength to this premise... Michelle Rodriguez was honestly shocked that Sawyer had a gun. If she were actually one of the Others, she would surely know that he had one because he tried to take a shot at some of them before getting shot himself. It could also be that she was surprised that he -still- had it... but then you also look at the types of weapons that their captors were using (ie. the big guy)... they were mostly clubs and weapons fashioned pretty crudely. The Others had gun(s).

[Lacero]

Does anyone think the writers have the entire plot line written out, or do you think they are winging it as they go along?

It would be interesting to see after the series ends, to go back and watch the first season for any clues. That would validate if the writers were clever enough in their writing or not.

[tagy]

I was talking this one over with my wife, and I like this idea a lot.

Maybe the other camp of survivors (from the tail section) descended into a "Lord of the Flies" situation, where civilized society and behavior became secondary to surivival. Maybe the only the reason the original survivors (Jack, et al) didn't fall into the same sort of situation was because of a strong leader and people with skills available to help keep them alive and more comfortable.

I really like that theory that Walt is being held by the actual Others (who Ethan and blackbeard, etc. came from) and that these captors are actually the other survivors from the crash who developed a more primitive society than our other survivors did.


this is what I was sugesting a few posts up, only not as well described :)

[evoluzione]

Does anyone think the writers have the entire plot line written out, or do you think they are winging it as they go along?

It would be interesting to see after the series ends, to go back and watch the first season for any clues. That would validate if the writers were clever enough in their writing or not.



my girlfriend and i were discussing that point too, i think they have the whole timeline/storyline plotted but are maybe adding in bits as they go along. it seems too clever in many ways to be a "wingin' it" series, although it wouldn't surprise me if it was that way!

maybe they have a number of storylines and are deciding with "path" to go down when they see all our theories on the forums, here, there and everywhere else. kinda like those adventure books...you know, where you decide what happens then have to flip to a different section to carry on that particular storyline...know what i mean?

[yellow]

From the promo for this week's episode I started to get the feeling that ALL (many?) of the Dharma Project compounds were on the island. It seems like the folks that captured M, S, & J were taking them to yet another Dharma bunker. I've begun to wonder if the french woman wasn't part of the original group of folks involved in the Dharma Project and the "Others" simply means those not in her group.

[3rdpath]

my theory is that the woman from the tail section was just testing sawyer, micheal and jin to see who they were....make sure thay're not the "others"...since jin couldn't tell them much when they found him.

also, did anyone else notice the two people on the boat that took walt that were really "lit up" ( lighting wise) looked a whole lot like the two originators of the dharma project in the orientation film?

[joepunk]

Ok, I don't know if this has been seen/posted before so bear with me.

It was made to promote the showing of "Lost" in the UK on Channel 4, and it's set to a druggy Portishead song, called "Numb": "I'm ever so lost/I can't find my way..." Take a look here (http://homepage.mac.com/mprieve/.Public/lost.mpg)

[pdpfilms]

Ok, I don't know if this has been seen/posted before so bear with me.

It was made to promote the showing of "Lost" in the UK on Channel 4, and it's set to a druggy Portishead song, called "Numb": "I'm ever so lost/I can't find my way..." Take a look here (http://homepage.mac.com/mprieve/.Public/lost.mpg)

That is ****ing weird. The only thing i got out of that was seeing that walt and Locke were both "conducting" the rest of the members on the island.

[yellow]

I've changed my mind.. I don't think Jack gave in too easily. I watched the episode again on Saturday (they had a re-run for some reason.. filling empty slots I guess) and I guess I finally understood what was probably very apparent to everyone else.

Locke, up until this point, hasn't needed or wanted help from anyone. He's been a pillar of self-sufficiency. Sure, he's allowed others to tag along, but he would have been ok to just do everything on his own. He's been absolutely confident during almost everything that's happened up until this point. Because of this, he's been a serious oppositioin to Jack's leadership.

With the Execute Incident, he begged/pleaded with Jack for help. Locke pretty much gave up his opposition and bowed to Jack's leadership. Jack recognized this and that if it was that important to Locke.. well I better press it.

Looking forward to tonight's episode.

I'd completely forgotten that Jack flirted with M. Rodriguez's character in the airport bar before the flight.

[watcher2001]

I've changed my mind.. I don't think Jack gave in too easily. I watched the episode again on Saturday (they had a re-run for some reason.. filling empty slots I guess) and I guess I finally understood what was probably very apparent to everyone else.

Locke, up until this point, hasn't needed or wanted help from anyone. He's been a pillar of self-sufficiency. Sure, he's allowed others to tag along, but he would have been ok to just do everything on his own. He's been absolutely confident during almost everything that's happened up until this point. Because of this, he's been a serious oppositioin to Jack's leadership.

With the Execute Incident, he begged/pleaded with Jack for help. Locke pretty much gave up his opposition and bowed to Jack's leadership. Jack recognized this and that if it was that important to Locke.. well I better press it.

Looking forward to tonight's episode.

I'd completely forgotten that Jack flirted with M. Rodriguez's character in the airport bar before the flight.


I am in the same boat you are because I did not see that either until you pointed it out. Very good observation on your part or very bad observation on my part :) :) Thanks for showing me the light. It makes more sense to me now.

[stonyc]

That is ****ing weird. The only thing i got out of that was seeing that walt and Locke were both "conducting" the rest of the members on the island.Well, it also showed the love triangle between not only Jack/Kate/Sawyer but also a possible one between Jin/Sun/Michael. I thought it was interesting... also, Charlie seemed to be off on his own kind of "freaking out". Could that be a clue to his past/future drug issues?

[atszyman]

Theories (have to get these out before tonight's episode proves them wrong).

As pointed out the logo on the Sharks is slightly different indicating that there is a second station, other than Swan Station on the island. If there were 2 it's probably a safe bet that there were three, and aside from magnetics and animal studies, they mentioned behavioral studies. Could the real "Others" (not the people from the back of the plane) be the test subjects from the behavioral studies station?

I think the Swan station screwed up somehow and managed to gain some influence over the earth's magnetic field and their equipment needs to be reset every 108 minutes to avoid an unstable oscillatory pattern that could really mess up Earth. The holes/creature is the start of the reaction getting out of control when Desmond oversleeps (you try getting up every 108 minutes for years on end and see if you don't oversleep every so often).

Locke's paralysis is psychological and the trauma of the plane crash caused him to overcome his issues, however it convinced him in the island has "powers" which led to his faith and reasons why his legs will sometimes not work.

Jin's father-in-law is either a part of the DHARMA initiative, or possibly a competitor that wants to take over and get ahold of the government funding. (If DHARMA really did manage to do something that threatens the planet they must have a sweet deal with whatever governments fund them to keep the planet here). I'd look to Jin for reasons for the plane crash which leads to my wild theory:

The plane was never in the air and some of the survivors were pre-selected to survive the crash. There was an elaborate simulation that gave the impression of flight and the plane was rigged to get pulled apart and some seats purposely had weaker bolts to possibly get ripped from the plane into the simulator/wind tunnel/whatever contraption they had. As they ripped apart the plane some people got sucked out, some got ripped out by force of the simulated impact on the island (through a low altitude drop to the actual island via helicopter or some other means) and some survived.

That's my current theory but I don't necessarily believe it myself, since the writers are definitely more creative than me.

[stonyc]

Theories (have to get these out before tonight's episode proves them wrong).

As pointed out the logo on the Sharks is slightly different indicating that there is a second station, other than Swan Station on the island. If there were 2 it's probably a safe bet that there were three, and aside from magnetics and animal studies, they mentioned behavioral studies. Could the real "Others" (not the people from the back of the plane) be the test subjects from the behavioral studies station?I like this, and I and others have remarked on something to that effect. Remember too though that another of the DHARM research goals was life extension... how do we explain Ethan's super-strength? Maybe his strength comes from the life extension experiment somehow.

I think the Swan station screwed up somehow and managed to gain some influence over the earth's magnetic field and their equipment needs to be reset every 108 minutes to avoid an unstable oscillatory pattern that could really mess up Earth. The holes/creature is the start of the reaction getting out of control when Desmond oversleeps (you try getting up every 108 minutes for years on end and see if you don't oversleep every so often).I like this theory, too.

Locke's paralysis is psychological and the trauma of the plane crash caused him to overcome his issues, however it convinced him in the island has "powers" which led to his faith and reasons why his legs will sometimes not work.I could see that.

Jin's father-in-law is either a part of the DHARMA initiative, or possibly a competitor that wants to take over and get ahold of the government funding. (If DHARMA really did manage to do something that threatens the planet they must have a sweet deal with whatever governments fund them to keep the planet here). I'd look to Jin for reasons for the plane crash which leads to my wild theory:I don't know about Jin's father-in-law... but Jin does seem to be -the- main character that we don't know nearly as much about as the others.

The plane was never in the air and some of the survivors were pre-selected to survive the crash. There was an elaborate simulation that gave the impression of flight and the plane was rigged to get pulled apart and some seats purposely had weaker bolts to possibly get ripped from the plane into the simulator/wind tunnel/whatever contraption they had. As they ripped apart the plane some people got sucked out, some got ripped out by force of the simulated impact on the island (through a low altitude drop to the actual island via helicopter or some other means) and some survived.

That's my current theory but I don't necessarily believe it myself, since the writers are definitely more creative than me.I don't know if I like that one... though some sort of conspiracy does seem like it would be in the cards.

[Doctor Q]

The plane was never in the air and some of the survivors were pre-selected to survive the crash. There was an elaborate simulation that gave the impression of flight and the plane was rigged to get pulled apart and some seats purposely had weaker bolts to possibly get ripped from the plane into the simulator/wind tunnel/whatever contraption they had. As they ripped apart the plane some people got sucked out, some got ripped out by force of the simulated impact on the island (through a low altitude drop to the actual island via helicopter or some other means) and some survived.Do I hear the Mission: Impossible theme music? :)

Your idea may be farfetched, but I wouldn't put it past the writers to surprise us with an explanation for the crash that we don't expect, and this is one way they could do that.

[emw]

Ah, you will now be able to download lost to your video iPod or your computer for $1.99. Sweet. Now I can spend exorbitant amounts of time picking through episodes to get any clues I might have missed the first time!

[Doctor Q]

I couldn't resist doing a screen capture.

[3rdpath]

if you go to a secure version of the hanso site( https) you find this:
bigspaceship1.com
go to the site here (http://www.bigspaceship1.com/)
and see the polar bears.

does that look like morse code at the top of the page? it also shows up in your safari history page.

edit: it is morse code. pretty funny.

[pdpfilms]

if you go to a secure version of the hanso site( https) you find this:
bigspaceship1.com
go to the site here (http://www.bigspaceship1.com/)
and see the polar bears.

does that look like morse code at the top of the page? it also shows up in your safari history page.

edit: it is morse code. pretty funny.

That's interesting... what does it say?
(put it in white, so as not to spoil it for others)

[Doctor Q]

At that web site, there is a secret message flashed for a split second each time the bears cross. It took me many tries to screen capture it at the right instant, but I got it and enlarged it.

[pdpfilms]

At that web site, there is a secret message flashed for a split second each time the bears cross. It took me many tries to screen capture it at the right instant, but I got it and enlarged it.

What is that???

[Don't panic]

if you go to a secure version of the hanso site( https) you find this:
bigspaceship1.com
go to the site here (http://www.bigspaceship1.com/)
and see the polar bears.

does that look like morse code at the top of the page? it also shows up in your safari history page.

edit: it is morse code. pretty funny.

yeah funny.
if you use the same address still in secure mode, you get the portal for some site, but you need password/username. part of a puzzle/riddle?

on the other hand, bigspacehip.com is a web-designer's site

altogether very bizarre

[Doctor Q]

That's interesting... what does it say?
(put it in white, so as not to spoil it for others)<spoiler>... --- -- . - .. -- . ... SOMETIMES
.- A
.--. --- .-.. .- .-. POLAR
.--. . .- .-. PEAR
.. ... IS
.--- ..- ... - JUST
.- A
.--. --- .-.. .- .-. POLAR
-... . .- .-. BEAR</spoiler>Read it verrrrrry carefully!

[pdpfilms]

^^^ that makes no sense.^^^

[Lyle]

^^^ that makes no sense.^^^I think it's just poking fun at all of the people who are (perhaps) overanalyzing the significance of the Polar Bears in "Lost". It's a play on Freud's famous quote, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."

[joepunk]

I guess the page changes from time to time. At one point the morse code said "Let's catch humans all day then throw them away" (got that from another forum lost thread).

[emw]

It took me many tries to screen capture it at the right instant, but I got it and enlarged it.Ctrl-click on the window to get the Flash controls:

[Doctor Q]

A better closeup.