Lost (TV show)

[yellow]

No, remember, the tailies were 23 strong, and the others kept killing off members, so that only those 6 or 7 remained. You're right.

Killing or kidnapping (or both)? I remember mostly kidnapping.

Most people know him from his evil priest role on Carnivale (Brother Justin Crowe).

Funny.. maybe it's my age, but he will ALWAYS be The Kurgan (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091203/).

[devilot]

Killing or kidnapping (or both)? I remember mostly kidnapping.That's what I thought, too. In fact, we know that the Oceanic flight passengers killed The Others, but I'm really not sure there is a concrete example of when an Other had killed one of them.

Wait. I just thought of one. Goodwin killed the flight passenger who Ana Lucia thought was an Other.

[SilentPanda]

YES he is the same guy! An actor named Clancy Brown
http://www.clancybrown.com/
Most people know him from his evil priest role on Carnivale (Brother Justin Crowe).
Or even better known as the voice of Mr. Krabs on Spongebob.

I looked it up on Lostpedia and it seems like Kate *thought* Clancy Brown was her biological father and met him at the recruitment office (I remember seeing that) but her biological father was the one she killed when she killed her "step father". She knew when she killed him that he was her biological father. So Clancy is not her real father although she may have at one time believed he was her real father.

I could swear Anna Lucia told stories of how the others killed several castaways when the two groups met up.

Was I smoking?

I believe she knew that the Others took some of their party members but I don't know that she knows for a fact that they killed the other party members. Unless she saw bodies there's no way to know if they were just taken like Walt or actually killed.

[watcher2001]

Funny.. maybe it's my age, but he will ALWAYS be The Kurgan (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091203/).

One of my favorite immortals of all time. I love the scene in the church. "I've got something to say, it's better to burn out, than to fade away"

I was looking at his credits on IMDB. I did not realize he has done as many voice roles as he has.
I also loved him in the role of Zim on Starship Troopers and also Rawhide on Buckaroo Banzai. He is truly awesome.

[MongoTheGeek]

I also loved him in the role of Zim on Starship Troopers and also Rawhide on Buckaroo Banzai. He is truly awesome.

If your enemy cannot use his hand, then he cannot push a button. Medic!

[pilotError]

I went and saw X-Men last night. I was surprised to see that sprite's new advertising campaign is subLymonal. They had a commercial (love commercials in the theatre) with a couple of folks being influenced by weird stuff which was sublymonal off course! :rolleyes:

One dude was getting squished by a lemon colored and lime colored Sumo wreslers :eek:

Reminded me of a Ben Stiller scene...

I wasn't paying attention, but I could have sworn I heard something related to lost in there...

** Edited ** - Found a photo of the above...

http://www.beadesigngroup.com/blog/archives/2006/05/sprite_gets_all_sublymonal_on.html

[pilotError]

From the above linked blog:

At the beginning of the Sprite/Sumo ad, towards the bottom in small letters it reads: DVR-Ready

If you play the commercial back in slow motion, towards the end there is a few frames of a chameleon on a branch. On the chameleon, it reads; CODE:BENTLEY

The campaign could have gone a bit further and added a few more jems in the spot. Maybe verbage or codes in the forest as well.

[Doctor Q]

I went and saw X-Men last night. I was surprised to see that sprite's new advertising campaign is subLymonal. They had a commercial (love commercials in the theatre) with a couple of folks being influenced by weird stuff which was sublymonal off course! :rolleyes:I saw the same ad played before The Da Vinci Code today. It was the only ad that wasn't for a TV show or another movie, plus it was really odd, so it stood out for two reasons.
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[joepunk]

This is a shot I took at the Sasquatch Music Festival at the Gorge Amphitheatre in Washington State.

[pilotError]

Lost has definitely taken on a life of its own outside the TV world...

Has there been another show that's gone this far before?

[killuminati]

This is a shot I took at the Sasquatch Music Festival at the Gorge Amphitheatre in Washington State.

OMG you were able to go to Sasquatch!?!

I'm sooooooo jealous. How was it?

[MongoTheGeek]

Lost has definitely taken on a life of its own outside the TV world...

Has there been another show that's gone this far before?

Dateline NBC

/bows head in shame
//not nearly as ashamed as I should be
///no where near as ashamed as they should be...

[joepunk]

OMG you were able to go to Sasquatch!?!

I'm sooooooo jealous. How was it?
Big, Hairy and it smelled. :p

I was there on Sunday and saw PGMG, Beck, Death Cab for Cutie, Arctic Monkeys, that rapping Rabbi guy, Decemberists, Nada Surf, We are Scientists and more.

It rained for a few times but not like Saturday where it hailed really big chunks and was all muddy/wet. Got the Saturday news from other school friends.

It was very cold and I was glad I brought along plenty of jackets (still did not help).

[killuminati]

How was Matisyahu? (Rapping Rabbi guy)

All my friends that went, said it was awesome. I heard that bands would go around to peoples tents and talk to people, did anyone pay you a visit?

[joepunk]

He was ok imo. A bit too much preaching, "I want to bring Jerusalem to Seattle" :confused:

I don't think we need anymore bullet holes and I would like to do without any bombed buses.

I think I get what he means but still that was my quick reaction thinking at the time.

I'd have to listen to more of his music and read the lyrics before I can make a major like/dislike.

Tents? Visits? nope, didn't get much of any visits by any band member. Of course I probably would not have recognized any member except for PGMG :)

Oh, and the large beer cans (~24oz) costed USD 8.25 :rolleyes:
Plenty of smoking ;) The fun and the not so fun kind.

Edit: Bathrooms (if I can call them that) had the rain water/mud that some of us (me) had to wade through.

[killuminati]

Oh, and the large beer cans (~24oz) costed USD 8.25 :rolleyes:
Plenty of smoking ;) The fun and the not so fun kind.

Edit: Bathrooms (if I can call them that) had the rain water/mud that some of us (me) had to wade through.

8.25 :eek:

I guess it would have been an advantage for me being underage, because I would have brought my own :p

[virus1]

just got back from oahu where they shoot lost. they aren't shooting the 3rd season yet, but i did check out a few locations that they used. i saw the tree that charlie was strung up on, the fish truck where sawyer shot the dude, and the actual sound stages where they shoot a ton of stuff. pretty cool.. can't wait for the 3rd season.

[Capt Underpants]

just got back from oahu where they shoot lost. they aren't shooting the 3rd season yet, but i did check out a few locations that they used. i saw the tree that charlie was strung up on, the fish truck where sawyer shot the dude, and the actual sound stages where they shoot a ton of stuff. pretty cool.. can't wait for the 3rd season.

No pictures eh? :(

Very cool nonetheless, Virus1.

[Kernow]

OK - I know I'm resurrecting an old thread, but this is definitely the best place for it.

Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje, the guy who plays Mr Eko, has been arrested for a traffic violation in Hawaii (BBC News (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5319626.stm)), making him the third Lost actor to do so.

I guess this means that Mr Eko is back in the 3rd series, although given what happened with the other two, he could shortly be written out.

[Caitlyn]

We all know what happened the last time that a LOST actor was arrested.

[AlBDamned]

We all know what happened the last time that a LOST actor was arrested.

Yeah we do - they both got blown away by a crazed Michael :eek:

Eko's too hard for that to happen though. He'd mince that traitor SOB (or anyone else) before he even had a chance to shout WAAAAAAAALT... ;)

[Bibulous]

Interesting video from the Lost Experience

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE0i1tkGNyg

[Zman5225]

Interesting video from the Lost Experience

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE0i1tkGNyg


was that video from the best buy bonus disc, or just the regular release?

[OutThere]

Ugh.....I'm drooling so hard right now I might need to go get a mop.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=07yX-PDJGmo

[emw]

They showed a different promo a couple of weeks ago on ABC as part of their season intro show. Different stuff, but still looks like it will be good!

This one is all the current promos?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ncmL1ITR01U

[Warbrain]

was that video from the best buy bonus disc, or just the regular release?

The video is from the online game.

[russed]

i so so cant wait! there is a real lack of decent programmes atm - what with no lost or 24!

the wait is almost over ... for 6 weeks :(

[DISCOMUNICATION]

i so so cant wait! there is a real lack of decent programmes atm - what with no lost or 24!

the wait is almost over ... for 6 weeks :(
Only 5 days state side and counting :D

[balamw]

I happened to catch Wednesday's recap show and now I'm hooked. I'd like to get that show for my wife to catch up as much as I have, but neither iTunes nor abc.com seem to have it. Anyone know if it's available (legally) somewhere?

B

[benthewraith]

I happened to catch Wednesday's recap show and now I'm hooked. I'd like to get that show for my wife to catch up as much as I have, but neither iTunes nor abc.com seem to have it. Anyone know if it's available (legally) somewhere?

B

Did you look under the Million Hit Lowdown? There's the Lost Survival Guide, which is pretty interesting. :)

[Steve1496]

I happened to catch Wednesday's recap show and now I'm hooked. I'd like to get that show for my wife to catch up as much as I have, but neither iTunes nor abc.com seem to have it. Anyone know if it's available (legally) somewhere?

B

Huh? Go to here (http://dynamic.abc.go.com/streaming/landing), click Launch Now. Then select Lost, and its the second episode listed there. I think it's labeled Sneak Peak.

[balamw]

Huh? Go to here (http://dynamic.abc.go.com/streaming/landing), click Launch Now. Then select Lost, and its the second episode listed there. I think it's labeled Sneak Peak.
Thanks! I tried clicking on it earlier and didn't get a response so I assumed that it wasn't there since the text said "Premiere October 5"...

B

[m-dogg]

Only one more day... :)

[Dandaman]

Only one more day... :)

WOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Finally!!!!!

[Mr. Durden]

im getting giddy. I work until 730, then have a meeting until 9, get home at 930 and thanks to the magic of tivo, watch the lost season premiere unfold commercial free. Cant wait! With the Office having kicked off already and now Lost, Im in tV viewing nirvana. And it will only get better with 24 coming in a couple months. WooHoo!:D

[Doctor Q]

Warning to everyone who is foolish enough not to live on the east coast (me for example):Posting spoilers here after the show starts on the U.S. east coast is permitted. Buyer beware!Conversely, you can read posts about the episode here before it starts in other time zones and then impress your familiy by "predicting" what will happen!

[emdotdee]

so how many hours/minutes is it till the show starts?

in the uk and wondering when i should come back to read the posts about it.

[pdpfilms]

Warning to everyone who is foolish enough not to live on the east coast (me for example):Posting spoilers here after the show starts on the U.S. east coast is permitted. Buyer beware!Conversely, you can read posts about the episode here before it starts in other time zones and then impress your familiy by "predicting" what will happen!
Hahaha, sounds great. Thanks for the reminder, Q!

[DISCOMUNICATION]

I've been working till 9 or 10 every day this week. Just made it. There are plenty of shows I like, but could miss an episode and not care, but I must see every episode of Lost and 24.

Gotta find a new pic to end every post with this season. Shouldn't be hard.
http://www.thetailsection.com/uploaded_images/lost-be-desmond-776532.jpg

What's really going to be hard is finding one to place at the end of my 24 posts since ... well... you know who is dead.
http://www.anadolubil.edu.tr/bim/images/robocop.jpg

[DISCOMUNICATION]

!!!!!!!!!! Answers!!!!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Man, the island is alot bigger than I thought :eek:
What an opening!

[ScruffyTheMac]

"holy crap" = my exact words :)

[DISCOMUNICATION]

hmmm an open door.... ouch. :p

I always knew Sawyer was the monkey of the group.:p

This is why the show is so great and better than anthing else on television. Instead of reinventing itself every season like some shows. Lost simply peals back another layer of the story.

Have we ever seen Kate in a dress? In her underwear yes... but a dress no.

Is Jack sick?:confused: :eek: Was charlie sick? And Kate when she saw the horse? wait the horse was real.

I wanted to see more of monkey Sawyer trying to work the machine in his cage.... I guess we will.:p

[runplaysleeprun]

someones been busy ^

[DISCOMUNICATION]

Monkey Sawyer!:p .....So that's where the polar bear came from. Bears? Sharks? Dolphines?

Sorry about the multiple posts. I'm still in season finale mode.

[zach]

i'm just straight up boggled.

[Clydefrog]

meh its was ok, nothing to to big unlike last year

[kwajo.com]

this episode was pretty weak. I'm one of the biggest Lost-heads around, but the show is getting lame. The commercials are more frequent, the episode ends early just so they can cram a promo for next week in, and they've given up on cliffhangers and all the subtle touches that made the show interesting.

Thank god I can still watch it for Jack, who is fun as hell to watch because he's just as stubborn as me :D

[DavidLeblond]

this episode was pretty weak. I'm one of the biggest Lost-heads around, but the show is getting lame. The commercials are more frequent, the episode ends early just so they can cram a promo for next week in, and they've given up on cliffhangers and all the subtle touches that made the show interesting.

Thank god I can still watch it for Jack, who is fun as hell to watch because he's just as stubborn as me :D

Yeah, I noticed that... I could have sworn that episode was like 20 minutes long.

[jalagl]

this episode was pretty weak. I'm one of the biggest Lost-heads around, but the show is getting lame. The commercials are more frequent, the episode ends early just so they can cram a promo for next week in, and they've given up on cliffhangers and all the subtle touches that made the show interesting.

Thank god I can still watch it for Jack, who is fun as hell to watch because he's just as stubborn as me :D

I'm with you on this one as well. Since I don't live in the US, I get the show from "alternative" sources. Just by chance I am in the US this week, so obviously I watched the premiere. And watching the show on ABC SUCKS... there are way too many commercials, and yes, the episode felt too short because of that.

I'm still gonna watch - by now I can't stop even if I wanted to. I hope it can pick up smoe speed and recover the touches that made Season 1 great!!

[DISCOMUNICATION]

Weak? Lame? Weak? Lame? What did you expect? If it were a 2 hour premiere I would have had higher expectations, but this was good enough for me. Liked the humorous bits. Even though it wasn't ment to be funny I laughed when Jack tackled his father.

[spicyapple]

this was a very boring episode. next season, we'll find the island is actually located inside a theme park. :rolleyes:

[Doctor Q]

...The commercials are more frequent...I liked the commercials better than the show tonite. Watching our favorite cast members as prisoners isn't particularly entertaining, at least not for me. After the quick opening scene, which was great, I felt like I was just marking time, waiting for them to tell us something interesting.
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[yellow]

I felt like I was just marking time, waiting for them to tell us something interesting.

Which they never did. Additionally, it seemed like there were more commercials more often.

[bigandy]

pre titles: great.

after titles: meh.

hope it gets better, but i'm sure it will. :rolleyes:

[CEAbiscuit]

The commercials are more frequent, the episode ends early just so they can cram a promo for next week in, and they've given up on cliffhangers and all the subtle touches that made the show interesting.


Last night the decision was made to only watch lost on Tivo an hour after it begins airing. Maybe apple should use Lost in it's iTV ads... "Watch Lost, No Commercials."

[atszyman]

this was a very boring episode. next season, we'll find the island is actually located inside a theme park. :rolleyes:

The theory has already been posteed.... :D

It's all a failed roving Disney land. Think about it....

1. The four toed statue was going to be a "tropics" Mickey with sandals and surfer shorts.

2. The monorail magnet got a bit out of hand causing the necessity of the button.

3. The Peter Pan ride had a wrecked "Black Rock" (Captain Hook's ship) with real dynamite.

4. The Others are simply the employees who finally snapped after hearing "It's a Small World" for the billionth time.

5. It explains the infatuation with the kids.

6. The Others' costumes are left over from rides/characters.

7. The hatches could all be named for Disney movies/themes "Curse of the Black Pearl" and such....

8. Finally : Who owns ABC again?

[CEAbiscuit]

The theory has already been posteed.... :D

New theory. Jack wakes up next to Bob Newhart and Suzanne Pleshette and explains his dream.

[DavidLeblond]

New theory. Jack wakes up next to Bob Newhart and Suzanne Pleshette and explains his dream.

Noo, remember this whole thing is Hurley's dream... they already told us that last season!

[virus1]

yeah this 'sode was ok. i loved the beggining. i remember first saying "holy crap is ethan the plumber!?!"... *sigh* good times..

the flashbacks sucked. it never showed any denouement to finding out that it wasn't his old man.

i really expected a good portion of the episode to be devoted to what feels like the next episode is going to be for. for catching up with sayid, sun, jin, and hurley. also it would have been nice to see a little of what happened with the hatch and the other side of the island.

but now we see a lot of explanations emerging from some of the wierder things on the island. the polar bears, the shark with the dharma logo..

craazy

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[dalvin200]

wow.. can't believe how many ppl didn't like this 1st episode of the 3rd season..

i thought it was pretty good..

lots of new storylines to come out of it.. tale of 2 cities indeed!!

jacks flashbacks were a bit crappy tho..

[kwajo.com]

I kind of think LOST has become too spread out for its own good. There are so many parallel storylines going on that it is taking away from the show. When it started it was interesting because there were always un-answered questions you wanted to know the solutions to, but then they kept stretching it, and stretching it and now we have numerous people and stories spread out all over and between that fact, the excess commercials and the month-long breaks they take in the season, the show is losing some of its flow (which thereby makes it less captivating).

[pilotError]

I can't believe they are actually going to take a hiatus and restart the damn show in February...

I like the show, but its become almost painful to watch...

Thank God for my DVR.

Have there been any updates to the bogus web sites?

[CEAbiscuit]

Noo, remember this whole thing is Hurley's dream... they already told us that last season!

You are correct. I stand corrected.

In fact, wasn't Hurley eating chicken and watching an old Bob Newhart at his house in one of his flashbacks? The plot thickens:confused: :p

[Phat Elvis]

I miss Jack's wig. Good times, good times.

[yellow]

Seriously, if they don't answer some IMPORTANT questions this season, I'm done.
I mean **** people! There's still unanswered questions from season 1, why are they creating new questions now?
What did we learn? His name is Ben. La-de-freaking-da. :rolleyes:

[p0intblank]

I liked the episode a lot. Just like the other seasons, the opening was great. This episode alone opened up a few more mysteries to solve. I'm really looking forward to seeing how Jack, Kate and Sayid escape (most likely with the help of their friends). And I really like the girl Juliet. I can see her and Jack becoming closer, thought is she related to Ben in anyway? They kind of act like they're married. Also what ever happened to Michael and Walt? Did they actually make it back home safely? I really want to see how that turned out. And of course all the other characters... what are they doing?

Another season brings many questions! :D

[OutThere]

Meh.

Not a great start. So many damn commercials...it's hard to follow the story.

Never mind that ABC HD wasn't coming in right on Directv so I had to watch the stretched out standard cable version and cry about how pixely it was on the huge TV. :p

[clayj]

Er... are there more commercials this year than last year? I don't think so.

[yellow]

Sure seemed like to to me.

I have both the season finale (s2) and the season opener (s3) on TiVo and will compare tonight.

Never mind that ABC HD wasn't coming in right on Directv so I had to watch the stretched out standard cable version and cry about how pixely it was on the huge TV. :p

How do you get HD regular channels from DirecTV? Are you in a big market?

Ah, nevermind:

Austin, Cincinnati, Greensboro, Las Vegas, Madison, Memphis, Portland ME, Portland OR, Providence, Reno, San Antonio

[Doctor Q]

I wonder if "Unlocking the Meaning of Lost: An Unauthorized Guide" by Lynnette Porter and David Lavery was ever one of the book club books?

I wonder if the town we saw is named Otherville? That's better than Bentown.

I'm really looking forward to seeing how Jack, Kate and Sayid escape (most likely with the help of their friends).Actually it's Sawyer, not Sayid. Until they escape, I hope the story focus switches to other characters and anything more interesting, such as what Hurley had for lunch.

Another season brings many questions! :DWasn't there a lady on the phone with two guys in a plane? Nawww, I guess I just dreamt that.
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[Mr. Durden]

NOOOOOOOOO! For some reason my tivo didnt record Lost last night. I got home nice and late, ready to relax, have some snacks and absorb the season premier. But alas, no Lost in my recordings. Dont know what happened, but I guess now is as good a time as any to test out the iTunes TV downloads.:mad:

[yellow]

Oh.. and did anyone catch what book they were reading?
The sexy hostess was holding a Stephen King novel.. for some reason I just assumed it was The Stand.

[MacsRgr8]

Eh....?

I have come into the "Lost-addiction" pretty late, so I downloaded all Season 1 and 2 episodes, and watched them all in about a fortnight.

So, I have been waiting impatiently for about 4 weeks now for this episode to come out.
Waited for it to be aired in the US, and grab it off the web without the commercials. :D

But.... eh....?

The island may not be an island, but just a peninsula?
Jack's father is not such a bitch?
Ben is in charge of the Dharma initiative?
Trinity has got long blonde hair? (:D )
Was that guy who helped Sawyer escape just a setup?
Doesn't Kate look cute in that dress? (knowing she can't be waring that much underneath... :p )

The same ol' addicting trouble with Lost:
You watch the episode hoping for some answers, but getting treated to some more questions....
So addicting, yet so annoying at times.

Show being aired next week same time?

EDIT:
Just occured to me....
Aren't you lot also starting to realise that most charcaters we know have done something bad, and have gone to jail?
We don't know about all of them, ofcourse, but as even Jack has been put behind bars.... :rolleyes: hmmm.....

[p0intblank]

Actually it's Sawyer, not Sayid. Until they escape, I hope the story focus switches to other characters and anything more interesting, such as what Hurley had for lunch.

Yeah, that's what I meant. I don't know what I was thinking... :o

Edit: Doctor Q, yeah what happened to that? Was that Desmond's girlfriend?

[kwajo.com]

yeah it was Desmond's girlfriend, and I expected something about that! That was the coolest thing the show did all last season and they probably won't get back to it for a month :rolleyes:

[EricNau]

Er... are there more commercials this year than last year? I don't think so.
You would be correct. If you look at show times, last night's episode was actually longer than most from last season (albeit by a matter of seconds).

The commercials might have been more frequent (with shorter breaks), but I still don't understand why everyone is complaining. :confused:

If you don't want commercials buy it from iTunes. ;)

[virus1]

just got it off itunes, and 2 thing immediately pissed me off.

1. the stupid abc logo before the episode (i thought steve said no ads :rolleyes:).. not that it's a huge deal, but it just seemed a little commercial.

2. the new album art. ACK! disgusting. not only do all the characters put up collage style look odd and too different from the other seasons, it says "a brand new season" under the lost title. now excuse me, but i know this is a new season now, but in a few weeks, that will be very different, let alone when the season finishes and season 3 gets lost. its not like this stuff is meant to last for a week or two. feels to me like it was put together as an ad.

[atszyman]

I wonder if the town we saw is named Otherville? That's better than Bentown.

I think the name is "The Othertown" much like "The Ohio State University." That way whenever anyone asks a question like "Are you from Springfield?" an Abbot & Costello like routine can ensue. This will happen in the next episode...

[pilotError]

I really like the girl Juliet. I can see her and Jack becoming closer, thought is she related to Ben in anyway?

Maybe thats why Ben closed the door on her when the water was rushing in... He wanted the insurance! It's obvious that she's a chink in the Others armor as she was bitching about free will when somebody said Ben wouldn't like this book. When Ben saw the book after the plane crash he commented "I guess I'm out of the book club". We might see something more here as she held Jacks head after she slugged him. :D

I'm a little perplexed as to how the plane crashed. Last season, they show you the plane hitting the water going toward the beach, but the plane broke up over the island it would have been traveling away from the beach when it hit... Don't know why thats bothering me.

Someone mentioned D/L off of iTunes, doesn't ABC offer it for free the day after or do you have to watch it at their site. I never tried to go there.

Mike...

[freeny]

i totally missed the first five minutes of the show. what happened? I walked in on "well I guess Im no longer in the book club".

Please explain...:confused:

[mduser63]

Someone mentioned D/L off of iTunes, doesn't ABC offer it for free the day after or do you have to watch it at their site. I never tried to go there.

Mike...

Yeah, they have it free on abc.com, but the quality isn't very good and there are ads. I'd much rather just pay $2 and get it from iTunes.

[atszyman]

i totally missed the first five minutes of the show. what happened? I walked in on "well I guess Im no longer in the book club".

Please explain...:confused:

Juliet wakes up and starts playing some music.
Timer goes off and she runs to the kitchen, smoke pouring out of the Oven. She whips open the oven door and tries to pull a pan of burnt muffins out with her bare hand. The doorbell rings and she answers, says "I burnt my hand, and the muffins." Lady at the door asks if the plumbing is fixed yet and we cut back and see some legs hanging out from under the house.

Cut to book club where some guy rails on the book for being worthless and evidently says Ben wouldn't like it. Juliette says it's her favorite book then the house shakes like an earthquake, stuff falls off the walls, everyone gathers in a door frame.

Everyone runs outside, Ethan comes out from under the house (he's a plumber), looks up and sees a plane falling from the sky and break in half. Henry Gale (Ben) starts directing Ethan and another guy to go infiltrate the possible survivors. He looks over and Juliette, sees the book and says, "I guess I'm out of the book club."

My memory may not be exact but I believe it's pretty close. If not I was watching a completely different show....

[Doctor Q]

I didn't replay it to check, but I think I saw "the numbers" on Jack's pager (PDA? cell phone?) in his first flashback.
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[emw]

Finally had the chance to watch this last night - it was okay, and I suppose they have to lay some ground work for the new season, so it can't be all excitement. The teaser for next week indicates things might get better, but we'll have to wait and see.

I get the impression that Ben and the blonde aren't the best of friends.

[yellow]

Don't forget they have a habit of twisting the episode preview to indicate something that doesn't necessarily happen..

No one caught the name of the Stephen King book?

[pdpfilms]

Don't forget they have a habit of twisting the episode preview to indicate something that doesn't necessarily happen.. Bastards.
Reminds me when Jin "spoke english".... that was just downright dirty of them.

[yellow]

Not sure if these have been seen.. or how "official" they are.

This one lists the stations and what they're studying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57ZafHS6apU

This one "explains" what 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, and 42 are all about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idu3loi4y5Y

ENJOY!! :D

[Elrond39]

<<...>> Henry Gale (Ben) starts directing Ethan and another guy to go infiltrate the possible survivors <<...>>

Goodwin. The one that Ana Lucia killed way back when. Oh, good times :D

Not sure if these have been seen.. or how "official" they are.

This one lists the stations and what they're studying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57ZafHS6apU

This one "explains" what 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, and 42 are all about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idu3loi4y5Y

ENJOY!! :D

The first one's a fake, but the second one is from the "Lost Experience"... canon material, basically. I highly recommend spending a Saturday reading up on it (Wiki it... you'll enjoy yourself, I promise :D), and then end up reading up on practically everything... Hanso, Dharma, etc etc.

[Dagless]

Thus it begins. Much like Sony's gaming dominance, BBC2 comedies - it subsides. If questions aren't answered they've lost at least 2 watchers here. Heck even I could write a show that only ever asked questions. The way I see it the real skill is in answering them and connecting them together, and the way this is going I can see it either being a simple stupid resolution (ITS A DREAM lollipops) or something haphazardly strewn together which continues to ask more questions.

Is that something big in America? in Right at Your Door the ending wasn't clear, in The Hills Have Eyes they killed all the bad guys BUT THEY CAME BACK FOR THE FINAL SHOT. Maybe it's me, maybe it's my content for the Hollywood/American style of TV shows but I love the show to be subtle with clear ending tying up the loose ends, please be good Lost.

[MacsRgr8]

I know what you mean...

I love Lost, and as I was fortunate enough to not haven seen a single episode until I had downloaded Seasons 1 & 2 completely, and I can imagine the extra irritations for those who have seen S1E1 way back when it was first aired: Waiting.

First of all, many questions being asked right at the beginning (the tree swaying monster, polar bears on the island) haven't been answered at all yet, and the irritation grows.
Second, you tend to forget some of the "mysteries' or "questions" you once had, and were dying for to get the answers.
Also, You get intoduced to more characters, and feel lees "involved" with some of them of which you haven't heard of for some time now.

What baffles me is that the cobination of "4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 46" seems less of interest nowadays. When these numbers were first introduced as being really, really significant, the whole web was buzzing about finding any clues available. That was cool.
Now, people seem to tend to have to live with them, until the producers probably give a totally weird and bonckers explanation of them....

I get the feeling more and more of the plot will become "blurred", therefore less striking, and the details become less significant. Remember the logo under that shark? Well, they simply cast that away as an "easter egg". After knowing that, I feel the makers can get away with far more mysteries than the viewer is willing to give away....
Something like a scientific experiment which can "explain it all", however far fetched it may seem.
Something like the following could be a typical explanation of the numbers:
"You, the audience, the viewers, are also part of this experiment. It was our duty to find out how the world would react to such a puzzle. It simply is not a puzzle, but just an experiment to see how all the viewers around the world would react, and find seemingly explanantions and cunning theories to these randomly chosen numbers. Thank you for your cooperation".
The Dharma initiative, aka Lost producers.

EDIT.
Re-reading my post, I understand that the polar bears existance might be slightly explaned: They were brought there for experiments... duh.
But they were free, and other than the fact that the were brought there, nothing satisfying has come up.

[simonthewolf]

I'll tell you what bugs me about Lost: The empty coffin shown in episode 5. To recap, Jack takes his Dad's body back to the US on a plane which then crashes on a strange Island. In episode 4, Jack starts seeing his dead Dad walking along the beach and disappearing into bushes and stuff. Jack is slightly disturbed by this. In episode 5 he finds the old man's coffin and smashes it open - and it turns out to be empty! I'm thinking, wow, this is a really creepy show about a man being haunted by his dead father... and then... absolutely nothing! Does anyone else remember that story line? It was almost 2 seasons ago and it's never been followed up. What happened to the body? Why was Libby in the nuthouse with Hurley? Where did the Polar Bear come from? How did Sun fall pregnant when Jin can't have kids? What happened to the big noisy invisible monster that lives in the Jungle and crushes trees when it walks? Too many junked storylines... But, like the sucker I am, I'm still watching!

[atszyman]

I'll tell you what bugs me about Lost: The empty coffin shown in episode 5. To recap, Jack takes his Dad's body back to the US on a plane which then crashes on a strange Island. In episode 4, Jack starts seeing his dead Dad walking along the beach and disappearing into bushes and stuff. Jack is slightly disturbed by this. In episode 5 he finds the old man's coffin and smashes it open - and it turns out to be empty! I'm thinking, wow, this is a really creepy show about a man being haunted by his dead father... and then... absolutely nothing! Does anyone else remember that story line? It was almost 2 seasons ago and it's never been followed up. What happened to the body? Why was Libby in the nuthouse with Hurley? Where did the Polar Bear come from? How did Sun fall pregnant when Jin can't have kids? What happened to the big noisy invisible monster that lives in the Jungle and crushes trees when it walks? Too many junked storylines... But, like the sucker I am, I'm still watching!

I think it was brought up earlier in this thread. I'm pretty sure that one of the bodies that Eko pulls from the water when we first meat the tailees was Jack's dad. So he did not come miraculously back to life. Jack seeing him certainly wouldn't be the first hallucination that someone on the island has had. Of course it could have always been one of the Others in disguise...maybe we'll find out this season...

[Clydefrog]

here is a good site for everything lost

www.lostpedia.com

btw that first video is fake

[DISCOMUNICATION]

"You never made me soup." So the Others are stranded survivors too? Are they trying to integrate Jack, Sawyer, and Kate their group?

[OutThere]

"You never made me soup." So the Others are stranded survivors too? Are they trying to integrate Jack, Sawyer, and Kate their group?

Ah but Ben has "lived on the island all my life." :confused:

[DISCOMUNICATION]

Okay. Now I'm with the rest of you who didn't like the episode last week. I thought the Sun/Jin story was okay, but I am getting tired of the know-it-all Others. Even though there wasn't a clear answer to whether Jin knew about the affair, it seems Jin is a better liar than Sun. The Red Sox bit was good though.

[ibook30]

Ah but Ben has "lived on the island all my life." :confused:

"...all my life..." could be a subjective term. Maybe his life began at 30....

I (like others) wondered if the others are integrating Jack - it also showed them as vulnerable. Why did Ben get so excited about the boat? Why did he want it so bad? Could be he is also stranded on the island, or it could be the boat was from a rival or faction he fears,,,, this is good times! A show that make ya wonder !

[Rickay726]

Okay. Now I'm with the rest of you who didn't like the episode last week. I thought the Sun/Jin story was okay, but I am getting tired of the know-it-all Others. Even though there wasn't a clear answer to whether Jin knew about the affair, it seems Jin is a better liar than Sun. The Red Sox bit was good though.


jin did not no about suns affair, you find this out when they are the guys funeral and sun asks her father if he ever told jin about the affair, her father replys with that is none of my business or something like that.

[DISCOMUNICATION]

jin did not no about suns affair, you find this out when they are the guys funeral and sun asks her father if he ever told jin about the affair, her father replys with that is none of my business or something like that.
Well, I was talking about Jin's knowing more english than Sun thought. Did you see the look on here face when Jin didn't wait for a translation of what Sayid said. I think the point of the flashback from the very begining was Sun's a bad liar. And maybe Jin could see right through her lies.... all of them... well not her speaking english. He may not need to be told by the father. Of course I'm just guessing. He stays with her because he's a good man. But no I don't think he knows.

[atszyman]

Why did Ben get so excited about the boat? Why did he want it so bad? Could be he is also stranded on the island, or it could be the boat was from a rival or faction he fears,,,, this is good times! A show that make ya wonder !

I still think it's not an Island, maybe a peninsula and they don't want anyone trying to sail around and find this out. Remember the corner of the hatch map had "roads and other methods of travel" up in one corner....

[mac 2005]

The show needs to pick up the pace a bit. Tonight's episode was okay, but the writers need to start wrapping the story back together. At this point, they're really straining credibility -- aside from some resistance here and there, none of the characters are really very aggressive in confronting "The Others." Mostly, they seemed resigned to whatever is going to happen next and don't ask the obvious questions. I suppose we're to believe that they're so plagued by their demons that they're willing to let things slide.

I'm concerned because I want this show to go well. I don't want it to self-destruct like "Alias," and I'd like to think the writers are true to their word -- that they know how the story will end, and it won't be a gimmick ending (e.g., a dream, a snowglobe, a writer who gives up on a novel and throws the whole story in the trash -- btw, these have all been done in episodes of Dallas, St. Elsewhere and The Twilight Zone, respectively).

But episodes like this one, where nothing really happens until the last couple of minutes make me worry.

[DISCOMUNICATION]

I still think it's not an Island, maybe a peninsula and they don't want anyone trying to sail around and find this out. Remember the corner of the hatch map had "roads and other methods of travel" up in one corner....
Wouldn't Desmond have noticed that when he spent most of last season sailing in circles? Or Ruso(spelling) after spending 16 years there?


I'm concerned because I want this show to go well. I don't want it to self-destruct like "Alias," and I'd like to think the writers are true to their word -- that they know how the story will end, and it won't be a gimmick ending (e.g., a dream, a snowglobe, a writer who gives up on a novel and throws the whole story in the trash -- btw, these have all been done on Dallas, Chicago Hope (?) and The Twilight Zone, respectively).
Alias' problem was that it reinvented itself every season. Lost reveals something new about the island or it's dwellers each season. How did Chicago Hope end. Mandy Patinkin in a mental institution? The Twilight Zone had an ending? Did that show actually need an ending?

[mac 2005]

Alias' problem was that it reinvented itself every season. Lost reveals something new about the island or it's dwellers each season. How did Chicago Hope end. Mandy Patinkin in a mental institution? The Twilight Zone had an ending? Did that show actually need an ending?

Point taken, but there's only so many seasons over which a writing staff, no matter how talented, can draw out the suspense. At some point, we're not going to care about these people -- that's why novels, generally speaking, are a couple of hundred pages.

And when the writers stretch out a storyline with which we're already familiar to the point that it fills the entire episode and then cram in the good bits for the last few minutes of the show, all I can think is cha-ching! We already know the drama of Sun and Jin's marriage. Did the flashbacks add anything to the story?

[iAlan]

Not sure if these have been seen.. or how "official" they are.

This one lists the stations and what they're studying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57ZafHS6apU

This one "explains" what 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, and 42 are all about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idu3loi4y5Y

ENJOY!! :D

As already mentioned, the first link is a fake - but I have a question for you...

What is the music? For the answer highlight the invisihint here > The Japan National Anthem < end invisihint

Please delete the invisihint if you quote this post so it does not show up in the greyed quote box

[Doctor Q]

Does Jin know about Sun and her English teacher boyfriend? I'm guessing not, but that issue was left open because he saw the necklace in Mr. Lee's hand after he landed on his car, and Jin's part of the flashback ended there.

Point taken, but there's only so many seasons over which a writing staff, no matter how talented, can draw out the suspense. At some point, we're not going to care about these people -- that's why novels, generally speaking, are a couple of hundred pages.I'll glad you pointed this out, and I hope they are listening. Frankly, I'm frustrated and bored with the show. The Others have all the power and the Losties suffer. Who wants to watch that? The show is much better when dealing with conflicts among the Losties, not with them vs. invincible monsters.

The only part of the show I liked this week was seeing Byron Chung as Mr. Paik (Sun's father). He's a veteran TV actor, who also appeared in Alias and once upon a time in M*A*S*H. He lives in my neighborhood and he's even been to my house. Luckily, he doesn't order hitmen around in real life, so we don't have to worry when he stops by!
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[jsw]

Does Jin know about Sun and her English teacher boyfriend? I'm guessing not, but that issue was left open because he saw the necklace in Mr. Lee's hand after he landed on his car, and Jin's part of the flashback ended there.
True, but, IIRC, there was no reason for Jin to believe that the necklace was intended for Sun. Sun never took it out of the hotel room, and there's no compelling reason to believe that even Sun's father saw it.

It would be interesting to see how Sun reacted to the damage to Jin's car, though.

[joepunk]

S03E02 was ok imo.

I was frustrated at the so called trap set by Sayid. It was a really stupid trap and Jin should smack Sayid in the face for being such an idiot.

I knew the "Others" would arrive by sea and climb aboard the boat. Ok, now maybe Sayid did not know about the boat obsession by the Others but still. And Sawyer or Kate should have realized that they were being watched by cameras or something because after all they are prisoners and in cages.

[MacsRgr8]

Here's to the real hero: Sawyer!
Most funny guy, and coolest character... and he at least tries to do some action.

The flashbacks are getting a bit boring. I thought most guessed the afair Sun had with that English teacher, and some even guess he is responsible for Sun being pregnant.
Also Jin (no Tonic) being able to understand English pretty well, didn't really come as a surprise, did it? Many forums have discussed this, and most agree he probably speaks it very well too.

Sayid's "trap" was too obvious. He could have known that if the "others" would investigate, they might use binoculars and look from a safe distance before rushing blindly to the fire.... and thus may have spotted their most precious possession: the boat.

But.. critisize as we may... I can't wait for the next episode. :)

[Dagless]

I got thinking (i know!) about the idea that the outside world and the island/penninsula are running at different times.
Maybe the flashbacks aren't flashbacks? Flashbacks relate to the episode and the actions of the current central character, what if the flashbacks are real and the island is a sort of "what if this happened on an island" sort of thing?

But yes. I'm in 2 minds over this. On the one hand I like it, on the other it's just a show dragging its heels. Another The Sims or Simpsons. Some folks in Hollywood and co. need to discover that ending things swiftly and graciously works. Ie. The Office, Phoenix Nights, Fawlty Towers.

[MacsRgr8]

I don't think so.

Lost is about puzzles which could and should be solved by "normal fysics".

I don't think the viewers want to be treated to non-real-time parallel universe kind of answers.

I do expect the flashbacks to be simple flashbacks to make the viewer really know and understand the characters, and their behaviour.

I also think that seemingly obvious happenings are really meant to be obvious... let me explain:
The question of Sun's cheating / pregnancy.
We were all lead to believe that Jin isn't fertile, and therefore cannot have made Sun pregnant. We also see her (almost or not) naked in bed with her teacher >>> simple logic based on simple deductions: Sun had sex with her teacher, who probably has made her pregnant.
Now, it is possible to conclude that they never had any sex because you never see it happening, and Sun has never admitted it. (IIRC she even told Jin that she never cheated)... and there is no proof denying this, but:
But IMHO the producers are avoiding any "sexual related, or naked scenes" (no issues for broadcasting), and make it clear enough to the viewer that Sun has cheated, and even become pregnant as a result.
Another point of interest: remember that logo on the shark? The Lost producers have openly admitted on a commercial DVD that it "simply was an easter egg", so IMHO if that happens once... it will probably happen again. So, I am inclined to say: relax on those "&#252;ber-details". They probably mean not alot or even nothing at all.

I prefer a down-to-earth solution, which is very clear and clever. Ofourse some non-known evidence needs to be made clear first, which is why I keep watching the show. I keep hoping for new answers, and try to find a pattern in the little information we have now. I mean, honestly, would you have believed Sun to be such a small and cute little liar? Not me.

The fact that Ben said that he has lived on this island all his life.... doesn't that sound a bit off? He looks around 40 years old, and the year is 2004, which makes his date of birth (on the island apparantly!) well before the start of the Dharma initiative... deduction:
a) he is a liar (which is unsatisfactory, but plausible)
b) a new piece of info: there were people living there who know the island and the surroundings before "it all" started, and can help us solve the issues....

Whatever:
I will not be happy with a non-down-to-earth scientific earthly explanation at the end. Lost is not science fiction. It is drama.
So no such crap as Jack suddenly waking up from a huge nightmare which we all have experienced with him... or aliens from another galaxy who are disguised as humans who are experimenting on other humans.

[OutThere]

"...all my life..." could be a subjective term. Maybe his life began at 30....

Or he's referring to the large land mass they might be on (say...south america/australia/big pacific island) as "this island". I know people often refer to continents as islands.

[beachfreak]

really cool site, i think this dude has it right

http://www.LOSTisaGame.com

[yellow]

I can't stand it... another crappy episode like that and I'm out.

[pilotError]

We were all lead to believe that Jin isn't fertile, and therefore cannot have made Sun pregnant. We also see her (almost or not) naked in bed with her teacher >>> simple logic based on simple deductions: Sun had sex with her teacher, who probably has made her pregnant.

Simple enough...

But it takes all the fun out of it! :D

Your ignoring the fact that Lock can now walk and Rose no longer has Cancer sickness (I guess there's no real way to tell if the Cancer is gone) and your led to believe that Jin and Sun reconciled last season and were intimate leading to the pregnancy.

What about the little talk that Rose had with the "healer" in Australia about "there are places on this earth that can heal, but this place is not for you" or something to that effect. Unless the writers are leading us all over the place and its just wishful thinking, there's more to the Island than meets the eye.

I guess the one thing that I can't understand is that the "Others" know about the hatch and the button pressing, but never seemed overly concerned about it themselves.

I find it odd that Charlie just lied and said he didn't see anyone after the explosion (unless he was afraid everyone would blame the deaths on him).

Crazy stuff, but there's too many threads going on and everyone is starting to lose interest. I personally have to DVR the thing just to make it through. I can't take the number of comercials anymore.

[OutThere]

really cool site, i think this dude has it right

http://www.LOSTisaGame.com

I think that dude smoked too much crack and then watched the lost DVDs 300 times.

After closely examining the site, there seems to be no real evidence that Lost is a game, just endless fact-compilation of utterly meaningless elements from Lost.

For example, how is a list of people who have had head injuries on the show really showing us the light?

Plus his explanations of the theory often just say "look at the other sections" and when you look at the other sections, they say "look at all this data I've compiled" and when you look at the 'data' it is utterly worthless.

[quigleybc]

My thoughts

In the same way that Seinfeld was "about nothing" this show may be "about confusing people" and that's it.

Also, the most important line from the last episdode IMO was

Jack
"why don't you leave this Island?"

Ben
"exactly, why don't we leave...."

[Flowbee]

I can't stand it... another crappy episode like that and I'm out.

That's kind of the way I felt after the first several episodes of last season. I'm keeping the faith that things will improve in a few weeks.

[Bibulous]

'Blow the Hatch' is the new 'Jump the Shark'

[Lyle]

'Blow the Hatch' is the new 'Jump the Shark'Thank you, Mr. Rocchi (http://www.rocchireport.com/archives/2005/09/the_essential_s.html). ;)

[beachfreak]

what he says is that there are a limited number of the types of injuries because there are a limited number of options in the game

same reason why so many people seem to look alike

[andrew050703]

My thoughts

In the same way that Seinfeld was "about nothing" this show may be "about confusing people" and that's it.

Also, the most important line from the last episdode IMO was

Jack
"why don't you leave this Island?"

Ben
"exactly, why don't we leave...."

Although I've only seen a few episodes of Lost, I was very much reminded of the UK series 'The Prisoner' starring Patrick McGoohan: slightly weird, no one has a clue whats happening, and although it only went 17 episodes, it ended with you knowing absolutely nothing either. :rolleyes: happy days

[Doctor Q]

Although I've only seen a few episodes of Lost, I was very much reminded of the UK series 'The Prisoner' starring Patrick McGoohan: slightly weird, no one has a clue whats happening, and although it only went 17 episodes, it ended with you knowing absolutely nothing either. :rolleyes: happy daysThe Prisoner had a better theme song. It's hard to tap your foot to the Lost theme.

Hmmm... One of The Prisoner episodes was named "Big Ben". Coincidence? :rolleyes: :cool:
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[clayj]

The Prisoner had a better theme song. It's hard to tap your foot to the Lost theme.

Hmmm... One of The Prisoner episodes was named "Big Ben". Coincidence? :rolleyes: :cool:
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[virus1]

I think that dude smoked too much crack and then watched the lost DVDs 300 times.

After closely examining the site, there seems to be no real evidence that Lost is a game, just endless fact-compilation of utterly meaningless elements from Lost.

For example, how is a list of people who have had head injuries on the show really showing us the light?

Plus his explanations of the theory often just say "look at the other sections" and when you look at the other sections, they say "look at all this data I've compiled" and when you look at the 'data' it is utterly worthless.
couldn't agree more..

yellow, i see you updated your location as of the last episode.

[DISCOMUNICATION]

So the writers were just on Nightline. They say by the end of this season we will come to understand the Others and no longer see them as evil. People fear what they don't understand, eh? To be honest I kinda wanted to punch each one of them for last week's episode, but this week's looks promising. "John Locke, is he the hunter or the hunted?" Looks like he is going monster hunting in a cave to save Mr. Echo. Wonder who's flashbacks we'll see this week. If it's Locke's I'll be on the edge of my seat. It's been confirmed that this season we will finally find out how he wound up in that wheel chair. They could continue screwing with us and have multiple Locke stories that don't revieal anything.

[EricNau]

For what it's worth, I just listened to the Official LOST Podcast and learned that the affair between Sun and her teacher was in fact consummated.


...Wonder who's flashbacks we'll see this week. If it's Locke's I'll be on the edge of my seat.
It must be your lucky day because, according to the Podcast, that is exactly whose flashbacks we see.

[yellow]

yellow, i see you updated your location as of the last episode.

Indeedy.. we'll see where we go this week.

[devilot]

Indeedy.. we'll see where we go this week.You missed your chance to be nibbling strawberries while sipping bubbly on the beach. :p

[aricher]

really cool site, i think this dude has it right

http://www.LOSTisaGame.com

Wow - has that guy ever left his parent's basement? A truly disturbing waste of time.

[Lyle]

OK, to be fair to the west-coasters I won't spoil the surprise, but we just had a huge connection revealed in one of Locke's flashbacks. :eek:

[DISCOMUNICATION]

Trippy. So far it's better than the first 2 episodes. Isn't that the guy with the fake beard at the head of the table of John's "family"? Maybe that's why he needed the beard.

They should show less of the bear. It's bad CG.

Desmond can see the future?

http://www.thetailsection.com/uploaded_images/lost-be-desmond-776532.jpg

Some one get that man some pants.

[Lyle]

Isn't that the guy with the fake beard at the head of the table of John's "family"?See, now that's the kind of spoiler that I wouldn't reveal before the West Coast has a chance to see it. :rolleyes:

[DISCOMUNICATION]

Still no answer to Locke's legs. They said this season. Wonder how long they're gonna keep playing with us. He's got a lot of people mad at him. Who would have thought from season 1 such a seemingly simple man would have so many potential enemies.

I bet when they finally do show what happened they won't leave us in suspense till the end of the episode. Just show us what happened at the begining of the episode then spend the rest of it showing us why it happened.

See, now that's the kind of spoiler that I wouldn't reveal before the West Coast has a chance to see it. :rolleyes:
These threads all state clearly in the first post spoilers are okay on broadcast night east coast time. Read at your own risk.

[mac 2005]

These threads all state clearly in the first post spoilers are okay on broadcast night east coast time. Read at your own risk.

The guy at the head of the table in John's flashbacks is not the same guy who wore the beard as one of the Others, and John's "flashback" to the airport was a hallucination -- so I'd take the Ben sighting with a grain of salt.

All in all, yet again another in a series of nonepisodes. I'm not sure why the writers are taking this approach to the show -- it's not going to win viewers, and some people will likely give up as a result, especially with the show going dark for several months.

[Rickay726]

some one please help me i get brutally confused when it comes to the polar bear! whats up with that?! a polar bear in the middle of an island?! ahhah does anyone no something i might have missed?

[Lyle]

The guy at the head of the table in John's flashbacks is not the same guy who wore the beard as one of the Others...Yep, you're right. The actor who plays "Zeke" (a.k.a. Mr. Friendly) is M.C. Gainey (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0301370/), and the actor who played "Mike" in Locke's flashback tonight is Chris Mulkey (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0611889/). But when I saw "Mike" I could have sworn that it was the same guy -- it's a strong resemblance!

some one please help me i get brutally confused when it comes to the polar bear! whats up with that?! a polar bear in the middle of an island?! ahhah does anyone no something i might have missed?I think for now we're supposed to assume that the polar bear is a product of Dharma's past experiments.

[iMetroid]

This season is FINALLY picking up! Hope to see some real action next Wednesday.

[DISCOMUNICATION]

John's "flashback" to the airport was a hallucination -- so I'd take the Ben sighting with a grain of salt.
Why are you bringing this up? I don't see how anyone could mistake Locke's vision quest for a flashback.

[pdpfilms]

Ditto on the whole similar looking actor thing... I was trying to figure that out myself.

As for Locke's hallucination, we certainly should take it with a grain of salt, but I would be surprised if the writers decided to throw that in just for fun. I have a feeling that while Ben may not have been actually wanding the Losties as they boarded their flight, he did play a role in getting them on the plane.

And I fully agree with the bad CG bear. It looks horrible... yuck. Oh, and about next weeks episode... I really don't have much interest in seeing it. They made it appear that the entire thing is based around the love triangle... I'd so much rather watch Locke hallucinate or find out about those portugese dudes in the snow, or where michael and walt are. Oh well.... thus is the main characterisitic of television.... unnecessary suspense.

[atszyman]

My first question about next week's preview:

Who are they talking about when they keep asking Kate, "Do you love him?!" The preview is set up to make you think Sawyer, but how many times has the preview been intentionally misleading?

[DISCOMUNICATION]

This season is FINALLY picking up! Hope to see some real action next Wednesday.
The preview does't look too promising. Kinda predictable, of course you never know who's flashback we'll see. I'd rather they spend less time on the Other's side of the island. Those cryptic know-it-all Others are pretty annoying.

[DISCOMUNICATION]

Only one man has all the answers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr0NgoPOxz8). The polar bear ep tonight was bad, but the suit looks better than the CG version.

[Doctor Q]

Best line of tonight's episode:"Duuude."Said by my favorite character, in his usual wonderful style.

However, next week seems to be another "torture the prisoners" episode, which I find totally unpleasant. For the first time in the show's history, I'm going to purposely skip an episode. And I hope ABC is watching this thread and taking notes, because that means I won't be buying new cars or whatever else their advertisers are selling. Drop the "torturing helpless good guys for no discernible reason" story line before you lose more viewers like me.
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[mac 2005]

some one please help me i get brutally confused when it comes to the polar bear! whats up with that?! a polar bear in the middle of an island?! ahhah does anyone no something i might have missed?

Not to mention the twin-engine plane that supposedly flew all the way from Africa to a remote island in the South Pacific. Either the plane was using advanced hybrid technology or something else is afoot. And don't get me started on the flying stream of smoke/metal fragments that roams the island, uprooting trees, making a loud brass instrument sound and killing everything in its path -- with the exception of Dr. Ecko, who stared it down. :confused:

[OutThere]

Best line of tonight's episode:"Duuude."Said by my favorite character, in his usual wonderful style.

However, next week seems to be another "torture the prisoners" episode, which I find totally unpleasant. For the first time in the show's history, I'm going to purposely skip an episode. And I hope ABC is watching this thread and taking notes, because that means I won't be buying new cars or whatever else their advertisers are selling. Drop the "torturing helpless good guys for no discernible reason" story line before you lose more viewers like me.


Yeah. I'm sick of the crap episodes that don't lead anywhere. They're not even like the crap episodes of yore that lead to stunning questions or wicked action scenes. Now it's just like "ok. they're being tortured. yay. more torturing. yay. the others are heartless. yay. ok. episode is over."

I'm rewatching season 1 on DVD and the episodes are just so much more compelling. I mean, it's like every show raises questions and solves a couple unexplained things, and the shifting-of-focus between characters is done seamlessly instead of having each individual episode focus on small groups of characters separated from the rest.

I don't know what the writers are thinking, but I consider myself a die hard fan...I've watched every single aired episode, I've spent countless hours reading theories and making my own, I've bought DVDs and episodes on iTunes....and now what was an interesting show has become kind of bland and uninteresting. Bah I say!

No matter how much I bitch and moan they know I'll keep watching waiting for a good episode to confirm that my addiction is justified...:p

[emw]

However, next week seems to be another "torture the prisoners" episode, which I find totally unpleasant. For the first time in the show's history, I'm going to purposely skip an episode. And I hope ABC is watching this thread and taking notes, because that means I won't be buying new cars or whatever else their advertisers are selling. Drop the "torturing helpless good guys for no discernible reason" story line before you lose more viewers like me.
I agree with you as well. While I understand the need to occasionally show them as really bad guys, I'm disturbed more by the fact that the main non-Other characters are almost portrayed as inept.

[Mr. Durden]

I really like LOST, but for some reason, I am losing interest so quickly that Im almost ready to just stop watching. I missed the season premier (stupid tivo), but caught every other episode this season and every time I come away feeling disappointed. Something is different and I cant quite figure it out...

Oh well. Ill hang around for a while longer I guess, hoping it picks back up to season 1/2 standards.

[MacsRgr8]

It really is starting to be quite messy....

I thought the show should / could be explained by normal fysics, but now I am convinced it can't.

All I really want to know, is this island giving people certain "powers"? If so, then I will watch Lord of the Rings instead.

Give it an X-Files plot, and you can write anything.
Only reason for me to keep watching is "what happens next?", and not "how did that happen?" (which was the reason I first started watching).
Know what I mean?

[ljump12]

Yep, you're right. The actor who plays "Zeke" (a.k.a. Mr. Friendly) is M.C. Gainey (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0301370/), and the actor who played "Mike" in Locke's flashback tonight is Chris Mulkey (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0611889/). But when I saw "Mike" I could have sworn that it was the same guy -- it's a strong resemblance!

I think for now we're supposed to assume that the polar bear is a product of Dharma's past experiments.

Or came from the zoo that theyre being held prisoner in... maybe from darma's expiremnts

[Caezar]

It really is starting to be quite messy....

I thought the show should / could be explained by normal fysics, but now I am convinced it can't.


I totally agree with you and it upsets me very much.

Desperate Housewives and Lost were the very first TV dramas I watched. I was amazed by their quality at first, but now I realize it will be hard for the scenarists to come up with a satisfying ending.

I wish there were more short dramas (one season at most).

[spicyapple]

You're well advised to just watch the first season, and leave the ending as a mystery. It pretty much goes downhill from then on. I've been following Lost since the beginning and I'm starting to feel it was a waste of my time following the story and various mysterious occurrences.

LOST really should be relabeled Fantasy Island 2.0.

[mac 2005]

Why are you bringing this up? I don't see how anyone could mistake Locke's vision quest for a flashback.

Read the whole thread. My response was to correct another poster's comment that one of the "flashbacks" revealed a surprising connection between Locke and one of the Others. If I remember correctly, I used the quotation marks to differentiate the "flashback" from the "vision quest." In Locke's vision quest, he saw Ben as the TSA person checking baggage for the passengers on the Oceanic flight. Highly unlikely as a "flashback" -- which was my original point.

Unless, of course, the writers have totally "JUMPED THE SHARK" -- which wouldn't surprise me in the least, at this point.

You're well advised to just watch the first season, and leave the ending as a mystery. It pretty much goes downhill from then on. I've been following Lost since the beginning and I'm starting to feel it was a waste of my time following the story and various mysterious occurrences.

LOST really should be relabeled Fantasy Island 2.0.

I agree. And, at my age, I have only myself to blame.

I got sucked into this show over the U.S. Labor Day holiday, when I watched Season 1 and Season 2 over the span of a few days.

I took the writers and producers at their word; that the show would have a realistic ending. Now, I see it going the way of so many other promising shows. They'll drag the story out so long that no one cares about what happens to the survivors, let alone separate them from the Others or what I expect to be yet another surprising batch of survivors. The plane was a 747, after all!

So far this season, they're just dragging it out. Three more episodes to go until the hiatus. I'm sure it'll be some unsettling cliffhanger, only for the season to return in February with more nonsense until the inevitable cliffhanger in May.

End of rant, almost; I just keep thinking about how the writers supposedly said on TV the other evening that we would come to appreciate the Others by the end of this season. And then what? Another season or two or three before the story is resolved?

As much as I like Lost, it's time to wrap it up folks. Not only is torturing innocent people wrong -- as we're led to believe will occur in the next episode -- it's wrong to punish innocent viewers with yet another wasted TV drama premise.

Either you know where the story's going or you don't Abrams. I'm calling you out!

[vi2867]

Lost was interesting because it was about people stuck on an Island.

They all had some mysterious pasts that lead them to this Island. My opinion, now that there is access off the Island, it no longer makes sense to be there...:confused:

[MongoTheGeek]

After Season 1 was a hit they should have called up ABC, signed a 5 year contract and then sat down generate an entire story arc. Figure out all of the holes, write down histories for all of the characters. Get everything roughed out before they even started shooting the next season.

[MacsRgr8]

They can go on for ever and ever. Now Locke's story is probabaly only half-way... :rolleyes:
I still have the feeling ALL major charatcers of the "Losties" are ex-convicts for one reason or another, and because of their imprisonment everything is known abouth them, and kept on file. The "Others" somehow have gotten all of their files....
But, whatever:
The "true" meaning of the numbers will probably never be explained, I mean the reason of them appearing so often as they do. Referring to them as the "the numerical values to the core environmental and human factors of the Valenzetti Equation" (Lostpedia (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Valenzetti_Equation)), is just a reason for using the numbers, the reason why they were picked, but not the reason for them being so powerfull...
We understand the reason for the polar bears to be on the island. But no idea how they can survive in a tropical climate, probably some 60 C warmer than their normal habitat... etc.

[yellow]

Magic.

The island is a giant hat, and all of them are rabbits waiting to be pulled out by a giant hand.

Don't laugh, it's just as cromulent a theory as everything else. :)

[Fiveos22]

Either you know where the story's going or you don't Abrams. I'm calling you out!

How true. I was a big Alias fan until sometime during the third season when things became too ridiculous. The story just kept oozing on, with twists...I guess. I would be happy if they said the first season, "we have everything thought out already, we're going to go for three seasons or so, and we will deliver to you a story...a story that we have planned."

Unfortunately, the producers are under the pressure of funding: They have to keep the show interesting or ratings drop and the number of episodes gets cut and scripts need to be changed. Such was the plight of my favorite show (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrested_Development), though they were able to write beautifully around their off screen problems.

Where is it going Abrams?

[balamw]

Where is it going Abrams?
Boldly, where no man has gone before.

OOPS. Sorry, wrong Abrams' project. :p

B

[Don't panic]

hopefully tonight's episode will be an improvement over the last.
so far a very disappointing season.

[benthewraith]

Lost has been really weakening. :( I'm starting to get Lost.

[iMetroid]

On the east coast, a little under three hours to go.

[lord patton]

I think the warden was in Predator.

http://www.dvdtown.com/media/screenshots/big/12172_3.jpg

[mac 2005]

Lost has been really weakening. :( I'm starting to get Lost.

From your lips to Abrams & Co.'s ears. This show seemed like it had a lot more promise from the previews.

What's up with killing an innocent rabbit and treating Sawyer like some kind of punching bag. We've asked to suspend our curiosity about the Others for way too long now with not even the slightest hint of a payoff for several episodes now, especially this season.

Time to get with it!

[DISCOMUNICATION]

The next 2 episodes change everthing? That sounds like more BS. 2 more episodes then... what? No new eps or even reruns until January? Oh well. Wonder who the guy with the eye patch is? Wonder why all of a sudden we are seeing more extras.

All of these episodes seem to be about reinforcing the character's flaws. Sawyer thinks he's hard and needs no one, but has a heart. Locke is too trusting. Sun may look sweet and innocent, but she is a liar. Jack is stuborn. Oh, and Desmond can see the future.

http://www.thetailsection.com/uploaded_images/lost-be-desmond-776532.jpg

[spicyapple]

For me, Lost jumped the shark the moment Libby got shot and died. What was the point of her entire back-story as a mental patient? Looking back, what a time waster. For the sake of the show, Hurley better get his revenge on Michael.

The swan cartoon > Dharma symbol? Hmm... perhaps not think too much into it.

[mac 2005]

For me, Lost jumped the shark the moment Libby got shot and died. What was the point of her entire back-story as a mental patient? Looking back, what a time waster. For the sake of the show, Hurley better get his revenge on Michael.

The swan cartoon > Dharma symbol? Hmm... perhaps not think too much into it.

I think the few posts that were posted after tonight's episode speaks volumes about where this show is headed. I only wish I could stop watching.

Even when Alias jumped the shark--and Alias jumped far worse than Lost has, though give Abrams time--I largely stuck with the show until the bitter end.

[atszyman]

After Season 1 was a hit they should have called up ABC, signed a 5 year contract and then sat down generate an entire story arc. Figure out all of the holes, write down histories for all of the characters. Get everything roughed out before they even started shooting the next season.

I'm with you 100%. The only people who should currently be allowed to have a series without the fully developed story arc are: Joss Whedon, Aaron Sorkin, and Ronald D. Moore. Everyone else should have to prove themselves before given the leeway to wing it.

[EricNau]

Overall, I was happier with tonight's episode compared to the last few (which I thought were just "OK"). We are finally getting some question answered (e.g. why Jack was brought to this other island).

[yellow]

It's a lie. They aren't on "another island".. if they were, why in the first episode this season did Ben say that whats-his-face could run to the beach and the plane crash in 3 hours? He never mentioned a boat or a swim. Or maybe it's a major error in writing.

[rickvanr]

I'm with you 100%. The only people who should currently be allowed to have a series without the fully developed story arc are: Joss Whedon, Aaron Sorkin, and Ronald D. Moore. Everyone else should have to prove themselves before given the leeway to wing it.

Right, because JJ is a hack. Give me a break, he knows what he's doing. I believe I've read somewhere before that JJ had a 'five year plan' for Lost, so just let it pan out.

I've felt season three has been great so far, it's kept me guessing while letting me connect a few dots along the way; for which I love Lost.

[clayj]

It's a lie. They aren't on "another island".. if they were, why in the first episode this season did Ben say that whats-his-face could run to the beach and the plane crash in 3 hours? He never mentioned a boat or a swim. Or maybe it's a major error in writing.Who's to say that the Others don't have TWO locations: The facility where Kate, Jack, and Sawyer are now, and the homey village we saw in the season opener?

BTW: The Others have a submarine. IIRC, it's called the "Galaga" (that's what I remember the closed captioning saying when Ben sent Colleen et al to get the yacht).

[Dagless]

Wasn't too keen on the past 2 episodes. I finally watched series 1 of Lost whilst on holiday (bad weather!) and really didn't care much for it. 2 was great from start to finish. 3 with it's imprisoned characters and with more questions being asked just doesn't stick with me.

Think I'm just going to stop watching now until Feb. Stockpile the episodes until I'm ready to be bored for another 40-50 minutes.

[yellow]

Who's to say that the Others don't have TWO locations: The facility where Kate, Jack, and Sawyer are now, and the homey village we saw in the season opener?

Nothing at all.

I hope that this is the way it pans out because if anything the plot of Lost so far has been pretty simplistic, and it really needs some details like this to make it a bit more complicated.

**** people.

This show sucks now.

It's time to start tying up and thinning down some plot lines, not introducing more to the mountain.

[ziwi]

I think the warden was in Predator.

http://www.dvdtown.com/media/screenshots/big/12172_3.jpg


Absolutely - that was a great movie - he was the former govenor of Minnesota's buddy...."I see you"...Bill Duke

He did make a good warden too...;)

[atszyman]

Right, because JJ is a hack. Give me a break, he knows what he's doing. I believe I've read somewhere before that JJ had a 'five year plan' for Lost, so just let it pan out.

I've felt season three has been great so far, it's kept me guessing while letting me connect a few dots along the way; for which I love Lost.

A few weeks ago in Entertainment Weekly they had a little Lost flyer where Stephen King sat down with the writing staff. They basically admitted they are developing the story as they go along, and recent episodes are starting to show this more and more. I don't doubt that there may have been an original story line but they are either straying from it or it was not well defined enough to actually fill 5 seasons, or quite possibly it was a bigger success than they had anticipated so they are trying to extend the 5-year story for a few years longer.

Something has definitely gone downhill in the quality of Lost recently and there seems to be a consensus here that this season has been sub-par. We may all end up eating our words and it may prove to be part of the grand plan but based on what I saw when I watched Alias I'm not holding too much hope.

[MongoTheGeek]

I'm with you 100%. The only people who should currently be allowed to have a series without the fully developed story arc are: Joss Whedon, Aaron Sorkin, and Ronald D. Moore. Everyone else should have to prove themselves before given the leeway to wing it.

I think that others can be given a chance to start a series but before they get the multiyear contract I would want to see a rough plot arc, eta's on tying off plot threads.

The plots within plots is why I stopped reading the Wheel Of Time books.

It's a lie. They aren't on "another island".. if they were, why in the first episode this season did Ben say that whats-his-face could run to the beach and the plane crash in 3 hours? He never mentioned a boat or a swim. Or maybe it's a major error in writing.

Could be connected in an unseen way, land bridge out of site. Also there are massive underground tunnels. Some are underwater. Connecting the two is not impossible.

[yellow]

The plots within plots is why I stopped reading the Wheel Of Time books.

I stopped because it wasn't going anywhere.. and I grew to despise the female characters.


Could be connected in an unseen way, land bridge out of site. Also there are massive underground tunnels. Some are underwater. Connecting the two is not impossible.

Absolutely. I hope it's a tunnel with one of those bubble monorail cars from James Bond.

[Don't panic]

It's a lie. They aren't on "another island".. if they were, why in the first episode this season did Ben say that whats-his-face could run to the beach and the plane crash in 3 hours? He never mentioned a boat or a swim. Or maybe it's a major error in writing.

i was thinking along the same lines.
a possible partial explanation is that the village is on the main island, but the Hydra base is on alcatraz. that would account for the fact that ethan and the other guy ran to the crash sites.
also it might explain why sahyd trap failed: they were coming from the water.
if this theory is correct, they must have at least another boat to come here (but i don't think they would have given Michael their only boat).

the main hole in this theory is that sahyd should have noticed alcatraz from the sailboat.

edit: i see that others had similar thoughts. I didn't pick up the submarine thing at all. do they actually say it or is it a deduction? that would explain things neatly.

[joepunk]

It's a lie. They aren't on "another island".. if they were, why in the first episode this season did Ben say that whats-his-face could run to the beach and the plane crash in 3 hours? He never mentioned a boat or a swim. Or maybe it's a major error in writing.
I'm pretty sure it is a lie just like the exploding pacemaker which I did not believe for a second.

[pilotError]

Do you think the Cave that Locke burned the Polar Bear could be the tunnel to the others island?

It seemed odd that the skeleton was wearing a shirt with no blood on it. Possibly that they died running from the others island. How did the bear escape (or was let go) from the cages and got to the second island. I know polar bears can swim, but...

I'm still remaining optimistic about the show, however, I have to Tivo it because of all the commercials. I played back last nights episode in what seemed like 20 minutes.

[yellow]

I've often wondered why no one from the crash has bothered to walk around the island on the beach. I'd have done that within the first week.

[spicyapple]

Wow yellow, you've gone from Evangelina Lilly to strips of bacon in your avatar. Has Lost really been that bad? :)

[EricNau]

Am I the only one that sees similarities between LOST and Riven?

[Lyle]

Am I the only one that sees similarities between LOST and Riven?If Catherine had looked like Evangeline Lilly, I would have tried a lot harder to solve Riven.

[telecomm]

This show sucks now.

It's time to start tying up and thinning down some plot lines, not introducing more to the mountain.

Amen.

This show stands in stark contrast to something like Battlestar Galactica, or 24, both of which manage to be satisfying over the course of a season while actually tying up threads, rather than stringing people along with the false hope that something might actually get resolved.

[lord patton]

I didn't pick up the submarine thing at all. do they actually say it or is it a deduction? that would explain things neatly.

Ben says to Juliette that the sub is back, and that there's a major situation. I don't, however, recall anyone referring to this as "The Galaga" in a previous episode, as a post above suggested.

[Dagless]

I stopped because it wasn't going anywhere.. and I grew to despise the female characters.

You too?

Also... it's a bit daft like, but have they changed the actress for Kate? Her face looks fatter and her eyebrows seems to be shaped differently, and during s3e4 I'm sure she sounded different.

But going back to Series 1 I realised how cheesy it all is. "you have 3 options... RUN... HIDE... or DIE". Just repeating them words over in the style of Russo (however you spell it) just made me burst into laughter. I doubt Borat could write something as cliched and downright contrived as that. That and Claire's speaking moments consisting of little more than screaming "MY BABY" got on my nerves.

I think I said it before. Why oh why can't AOL or whatever it is making Lost to take a leaf out of British shows and maybe, just maybe shrinking the series down or getting more into an episode. That'd be nice.

[pdpfilms]

Ben says to Juliette that the sub is back, and that there's a major situation. I don't, however, recall anyone referring to this as "The Galaga" in a previous episode, as a post above suggested.
Wow. I completely missed that reference. A sub? I'll have to review that episode. Which one was it again?

[clayj]

The Galaga (http://lostmysteries.blogspot.com/2006/10/what-is-galaga.html).

[lord patton]

The Galaga (http://lostmysteries.blogspot.com/2006/10/what-is-galaga.html).
Closed captions?!?!? That's cheating!!!!!!!!!! :D

pdpfilms, the part where Ben refers to it as the sub was in last night's episode, near the beginning, when Ben bursts in on Juliette talking to Jack.

[clayj]

Closed captions?!?!? That's cheating!!!!!!!!!! :D

pdpfilms, the part where Ben refers to it as the sub was in last night's episode, near the beginning, when Ben bursts in on Juliette talking to Jack.I almost always watch TV shows with closed captioning turned on... lets me pick up on little details like this one. ;)

[MongoTheGeek]

I've often wondered why no one from the crash has bothered to walk around the island on the beach. I'd have done that within the first week.

Sayid did that season 1. Rousseau captured and tortured him. That was the introduction to her.

Wow yellow, you've gone from Evangelina Lilly to strips of bacon in your avatar. Has Lost really been that bad?
Or perhaps bacon is that good.
/plans trip to the bacon store
//yep, we got one.
///actually its all thing pork but...
////including pork butt

[yellow]

Sayid did that season 1. Rousseau captured and tortured him. That was the introduction to her.

But he didn't make it.. or somehow he didn't notice an island 2x the size of Alcatraz Island jsut off the coast?
And if he didn't make it, he never tried again?
Oh wait, he found the cable and followed it into the Jungle.

Bah. I'd make it. :mad:

Also... it's a bit daft like, but have they changed the actress for Kate? Her face looks fatter and her eyebrows seems to be shaped differently, and during s3e4 I'm sure she sounded different.

Nope, still Evangeline Lilly, but she definitely looked and sounded different.
More husky. Less Kate-like. She's such an eyesore. :rolleyes: :D

[MongoTheGeek]

But he didn't make it.. or somehow he didn't notice an island 2x the size of Alcatraz Island jsut off the coast?
And if he didn't make it, he never tried again?
Oh wait, he found the cable and followed it into the Jungle.

Bah. I'd make it. :mad:

Booby traps and a psychopath who beat a battle hardened veteran without even trying. Then glimpses of whatever it is that keeps her paranoid?

[mac 2005]

i was thinking along the same lines.
a possible partial explanation is that the village is on the main island, but the Hydra base is on alcatraz. that would account for the fact that ethan and the other guy ran to the crash sites.
also it might explain why sahyd trap failed: they were coming from the water.
if this theory is correct, they must have at least another boat to come here (but i don't think they would have given Michael their only boat).

the main hole in this theory is that sahyd should have noticed alcatraz from the sailboat.

edit: i see that others had similar thoughts. I didn't pick up the submarine thing at all. do they actually say it or is it a deduction? that would explain things neatly.

Ben tells Juliet that the "sub is back," and that they have some kind of emergency to handle -- Colleen (name?) was shot.

[mac 2005]

A few weeks ago in Entertainment Weekly they had a little Lost flyer where Stephen King sat down with the writing staff. They basically admitted they are developing the story as they go along, and recent episodes are starting to show this more and more. I don't doubt that there may have been an original story line but they are either straying from it or it was not well defined enough to actually fill 5 seasons, or quite possibly it was a bigger success than they had anticipated so they are trying to extend the 5-year story for a few years longer.

Something has definitely gone downhill in the quality of Lost recently and there seems to be a consensus here that this season has been sub-par. We may all end up eating our words and it may prove to be part of the grand plan but based on what I saw when I watched Alias I'm not holding too much hope.

Alias is the prime reason I doubt Abrams & Co. -- especially given the fact that season 3 is such a nonevent. The way it's playing out, we don't know anymore today than we did at the end of season 2.

I avoided this show for the first two seasons for fear of being disappointed. I allowed myself to get hooked on it this fall when both seasons were available on DVD. Now I wish I'd resisted. It's so disappointing to look forward to seeing the show and then having nothing interesting happen.

[lord patton]

So we have two episodes before the hiatus, yes? Which characters will have their back stories flushed out? I think:

1) Kate, because she's so friggin hot.
2) Desmond, because his back story involves the best discovery of last year i.e. that the outside world is aware of the island (so they're not in purgatory) and that non-Dharma folks (his girlfriend) are coming to find them.

It's this second issue that will bring the story forward, and allow us to find out more about the Others (as new mysteries regarding Dharma unfold).

[DISCOMUNICATION]

Well that settles it. This is the most predictable season ever. I just read a spoiler for tomarrow's episode. Saw it comming a mile away, but it most likely only a small piece of a bigger pay off later on like everything so far this season. Don't get me wrong. I actually liked the 1st and 3rd episodes this season, but it's still not enough. I think the internet is ruining the experience for me.

[mac 2005]

So we have two episodes before the hiatus, yes? Which characters will have their back stories flushed out? I think:

1) Kate, because she's so friggin hot.
2) Desmond, because his back story involves the best discovery of last year i.e. that the outside world is aware of the island (so they're not in purgatory) and that non-Dharma folks (his girlfriend) are coming to find them.

It's this second issue that will bring the story forward, and allow us to find out more about the Others (as new mysteries regarding Dharma unfold).

From what I understand, there is, in fact, a Kate episode coming up. I can't recall if it's Nov. 1 or Nov. 8.

[Doctor Q]

Since I don't enjoy watching the good guys be helpless torture victims, I did sudoku puzzles instead of watching last week's episode. Which means I also missed the "next week preview". Is this week's episode looking to be more of the same?

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[EricNau]

Since I don't enjoy watching the good guys be helpless torture victims, I did sudoku puzzles instead of watching last week's episode. Which means I also missed the "next week preview". Is this week's episode looking to be more of the same?
Actually, there wasn't really any torture... it was just another misleading preview (more or less). I suppose it depends on your definition of torture.

As for next week... I can't remember. :o

[savanahrose]

I think I heard on a preview tonight that someone will be killed off in the next episode.

[clayj]

Oh, dear. You know things are gettin' bad when Penny Arcade starts taking shots at you:

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2006/20061101.jpg

[EricNau]

I think I heard on a preview tonight that someone will be killed off in the next episode.

Yup, someone dies (heard it right from the mouths of the writers).

[patrick0brien]

Yup, someone dies (heard it right from the mouths of the writers).

-EricNau

My bet is Mr. Eko.

[yellow]

My bet is Mr. Eko.

That was my thought too..

Who has cancer? The obvious Ben, or someone else?

I opt for someone else.

[patrick0brien]

That was my thought too..

Who has cancer? The obvious Ben, or someone else?

I opt for someone else.

-yellow

I'm betting Ben has the cancer, and what I'm using to base my bet on the death of Mr. Eko is twofold - he got seriously screwed up by the bear, and I remember hearing somewhere that Adewale has a strange contract this year.

[yellow]

I also thought the bear would account for his death.

Ben is the logical choice.. and it seems to be the implication on the show trailers, but we all know that those things are notorious for being misleading, and I figured the "obvious" choice was probably the wrong one here.
<shrug>

[patrick0brien]

I also thought the bear would account for his death.

Ben is the logical choice.. and it seems to be the implication on the show trailers, but we all know that those things are notorious for being misleading, and I figured the "obvious" choice was probably the wrong one here.
<shrug>

-yellow

Too true - I have that thought tickling my brain too.

But you know - you brought up a pet peeve I have about the show. They try too hard at being cryptic - and it's beginning to wear thin.

Case and point, when Jack escaped the operating room/cell and ran to the door, Ben said "If you open that door, we all die". What the hell would have been wrong with saying "Look, the ocean's on the other side of that door, don't open it"?

[yellow]

But you know - you brought up a pet peeve I have about the show. They try too hard at being cryptic - and it's beginning to wear thin.

I totally agree. I'd appreciate it if they moved back towards some traditional story telling and tied up some of the oh-so-many loose threads.

[lord patton]

It's about Eko!?!?! Man, they better kill him off if they're going to waste back story on him. :mad:

[Lyle]

What did the kid just say to Eko? "Go fish?" That's what it sounded like.
ConfessOK. Well, yeah, I guess that does make more sense now that you say it. ;)

[lord patton]

Yes!!!!! New hot chic :D

[lord patton]

What did the kid just say to Eko? "Go fish?" That's what it sounded like.

Confess.

[runplaysleeprun]

Yes!!!!! New hot chic :D

yesyes

poor ecko

[lord patton]

What did the kid just say to Eko? "Go fish?" That's what it sounded like.
OK. Well, yeah, I guess that does make more sense now that you say it. ;)

But what did Eko really tell Locke at the end of the episode? "You're next" or "I confess"?

Maybe someone out there reading closed captions could tell us

[runplaysleeprun]

But what did Eko really tell Locke at the end of the episode? "You're next" or "I confess"?

It seemed like he spoke for too long to locke to say only "You're next"

[lord patton]

It seemed like he spoke for too long to locke to say only "You're next"
Well, he was dying :o

[EricNau]

OK, now I'm convinced - LOST is a cross between Riven and Michael Crichton's Prey.

[mac 2005]

OK, now I'm convinced - LOST is a cross between Riven and Michael Crichton's Prey.

I'm glad somebody said this. I have been itching to play "Riven" ever since I started watching "Lost," only I'm not smart enough. :rolleyes: I look at the pretty pictures and click here and there, only to make no sense of it. :confused:

[mac 2005]

Given my last post....

Any "Lost" watchers who also have read "The Dark Tower" series?

What is the similarity between the two in the sense of people being thrown into abstract and unknowable situations and being forced to "figure it out" nonetheless?

I'm looking for an "experience" similar to "Lost" that I can follow through until the "end." I have to say that "Lost" worries me in the sense that "Alias" disappointed me and in the sense that "The X-Files" also became a disappointment.

[yellow]

Intrigue!! Boringness!! Mystery!! Snoozes!!

Does anyone else find Locke to be more 'chipper' this season?
The Lack of Jack appears to be doing him some good.

[DavidLeblond]

I'm glad SOMEONE remembered Black Smoke Monster. The castaways sure didn't... they tromp through the jungle like it's the safest place in the world.

I liked Lost back when there was "something" in the jungle "out to get them." The fact that it turned out to be a Black Smoke Monster was quite disappointing.

[student_trap]

hey guys, i bought the lost season 3 pass on itunes, but it doesn't seem to have the 5th episode this week, whats going on?????

[yellow]

It takes some time for iTunes to get the episodes online.

[D0ct0rteeth]

Ok. I have officially dropped the show now.

Im done. Im convinced the writers have nothing more to say.

[student_trap]

It takes some time for iTunes to get the episodes online.

cool, it just came through, still though, pretty late.

[bursty]

Great episode!


Ok. I have officially dropped the show now.

Im done. Im convinced the writers have nothing more to say.
It's just a TV show man....lol

[clayj]

I have to say, I am disappointed with a lot of you for giving up faith in the show just because there are still mysteries yet to be solved.

After all, Babylon 5, another great show, was still introducing mysteries right up until its last season... even as some mysteries would be solved (for example, why don't Vorlons let anyone see what they look like?), new ones would be introduced (what's up between the Vorlons and the Shadows?). Once all of the mysteries have been solved, that's the end of the show, you know. We've seen the same pattern on Lost... some mysteries have been solved, but new ones have been laid out for us.

Now, if the show ends and there are still unanswered questions, then I will be disappointed.

[iMetroid]

I thought episode 5 was great. You people have to understand something - Lost is slow because it still has ground-work to lay for the season. Most of the main characters, the people who held the camp together, are gone now. Think about this. If Lost were real, would everyone rise up together and move on over-night if most of their leaders were captured? Maybe eventually, but it would take time to adjust. New leaders would slowly rise up. With Locke back, there isn't much of a need for that now. Locke's doing SOMETHING. He went to the monitoring station to talk to the others. That's slow, steady progress. I have a feeling we're going to see some cool stuff next week. It's the last episode until February. *cries*

I've never seen Alias, though. You guys could be right.

[weldon]

I feel like I'm seeing the same character relationship issues redone. Ben already played up the Jack/Locke dominant/submissive or leader/follower thing and now Jack is trying to do it to Ben and the girl.

I wouldn't mind except that everything else is so muddled right now that I'm left to pay attention to the character interactions.

At least Kate and Sawyer have been interesting lately. I thought it was great that she told Sawyer, "I only said that so he would stop hitting you." The delivery on that line was so dismissive. Loved it.

[pilotError]

Jeez...

The smoke monster really put a beating on Mr. Eko...

The new babe is pretty nice, not much of an actress though... She seems out of place like a soap actress...

[Dagless]

New actress and actor are junk. You can enter in new characters and do it well, or just have it cliched and junk. Wonder why they chose the latter?

Terrible episode. I don't understand why I get so excited about it... oh yes. the distant hope that maybe questions will be answered. I'm sick of this guessing game now.
Oh and the cryptic chats are doing my face in.

[Clydefrog]

it was kinda annoying how those 2 random people just came to the Pearl, but man why ecko, anybody but ecko:( That monster is crazy, anyone notice it kinda formed a fist when it killed ecko. And how about that pirate that showed up on the TV in the Pearl argh

[Doctor Q]

It looks like the only way to stop the writers from adding 3 mysteries for every one they explain is to have ABC cancel the show and tell them they have a few episodes left to wrap it up.
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[Mr. Durden]

Funny story. I'm on some medication (wont bore you with the details) that makes me a little drowsy. I also have been taking Ambien (sleeping pills) to help me get to sleep lately. They dont usually seem to have much of an effect on me. Nothing drastic anyway.


So... I take the medication last night, turn on the tivo and watch Lost. I was so disappointed today thinking of how lame the episode was and how Im ready to stop watching, blah blah blah. Now that I read some of these posts and have visited some other sites Im coming to realize that I barely remember a darn thing about last nights episode. Ecko got the beat down? The only thing I really remember is that the hut he was in burned down... He stole some food as a kid... Locke wanted to use a computer or something...

Guess Ill start taking my medication AFTER I watch my favorite shows.:o

[telecomm]

I have to say, I am disappointed with a lot of you for giving up faith in the show just because there are still mysteries yet to be solved.
... some mysteries have been solved, but new ones have been laid out for us.


Exactly which mysteries have been solved? We got into the hatch (finally!) to discover... uhh... a computer, and some big magnetic thing, and it did... something. And the others, we've discovered, live in a little village and have reading groups and dig holes and do... stuff... in a sub...

Every once in a while the writers do throw us a bone, letting us know that the others live on another island, which was exactly what no one expected, or cared about, which is why it gives no satisfaction whatsoever to find this out.

It looks like the only way to stop the writers from adding 3 mysteries for every one they explain is to have ABC cancel the show and tell them they have a few episodes left to wrap it up.
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And that, I think, is why I keep watching... the way things are going, I expect it'll be over soon. There are so many dangling threads, it will be incredible if they are able to tie everything up in any satisfying way.

[atszyman]

The most annoying thing at the moment is the wasted backstories on characters who are now dead. What good did it do us to learn Ana Lucia's back story now that she's dead? What grand connection did we learn in Eko's stories that we couldn't have done without?

I realize to avoid the Star Trek cliche of "Kirk, Spock, Bones, and Ensign Billy" they have to round out the characters that they are killing off but for what we know now they people they've killed could have died in the plane crash and we would be in exactly the same place as we are now.

I'm hoping that the show's creators know what they are doing and will have some great unifying theory that will make me eat my words and say it was all brilliant but given what we've seen so far this season I'm not holding my breath.

As for solved mysteries we've had a few major ones I can think of.

1) we now know that Desmond not pushing the button caused the plane to crash.
2) we now know that pushing the button actually did something rather than just a psychological experiment (although it didn't destroy the planet so why Dharma didn't just use the failsafe key and kill the hatch years ago is a mystery).
3) we know there is an outside world and at least one person is looking for the island.

Of course we learned all of this in the span of 1-3 episodes of last seaon. Which tells me if this were a 7 year story arc they could compress it to one really good season or 7 seasons with 3 good episodes apiece.

I'm losing my patience but cannot get myself to quit due to my hope of good explanations.

[Dagless]

it was kinda annoying how those 2 random people just came to the Pearl, but man why ecko, anybody but ecko:( That monster is crazy, anyone notice it kinda formed a fist when it killed ecko. And how about that pirate that showed up on the TV in the Pearl argh

Funny, when Eko was beside the river I thought the smoke took on a 'bear' shape. And the way the smoke attacked him after seeing his brother, just makes me think that the smoke is everything bad/strange on the island.

[yellow]

The ONLY interesting bit I got from that episode?

Locke saying that when he saw "it", it was a bright light.. beautiful.

A lie? A cover up? A refusal to see what is true (black smoke = evil?)?

[spicyapple]

Mysteries from season 1 have not been explained, mainly the creatures roaming the forest (swaying trees, etc). There are more of course, but so many more I'm struggling to remember if people got dragged underground, but I might be confusing Lost with Time Machine. It's gotten that bad.

Agreed about the wasted back-stories, what lousy fillers. And the music don't help any, especially trying to create suspense where there is none. I believe the success of Lost is due to its soundtrack; the ability to create superficial suspense for naught.

[yellow]

Mysteries from season 1 have not been explained, mainly the creatures roaming the forest (swaying trees, etc). There are more of course, but so many more I'm struggling to remember if people got dragged underground, but I might be confusing Lost with Time Machine. It's gotten that bad

I think it was indicated that the black smoke was responsible for the swaying trees and monster noises in the last episode.

[crazycat]

One of my friends who was a die hard fan does not watch it anymore, i feel for him. In in seasons we have learned as much as half a season from another show. The story is great, the plot is amazing, the whole thing is great but its stretched waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to long. I want more and if nothing happens soon i will stop aswell. I will not just watch a season of a tv show just to see 3 great episodes.

[Mike Teezie]

With iTunes plus DVD rentals, I'm finally caught up.

I adore Season 1, and most of Season 2. The last episode of Season 2 was awesome.

As for Season 3 - Well, a lot remains to be seen. I would sure like some answers back from Season 1.

The new chick, Juliette - I don't buy any of the stuff she's feeding Jack. I also think Ben telling Jack about how he busted the Others' plan to "break him" is just another measure of control.

[yellow]

The worst part? Tonight is a 'cliffhanger' and then a hiatus until March or something. Just enough time for me to completely dis the show forever.

[fixyourthinking]

I have this suspicion that the island is actually Atlantis (remember the 3 toed statue & now the fact that the islands may be invisible) - being covered up by the government. The interesting thing is that the magnetism of the "crash site island" may have been interupted and it is possibly visible now.

Mysteries from season 1 have not been explained, mainly the creatures roaming the forest (swaying trees, etc). There are more of course, but so many more I'm struggling to remember if people got dragged underground, but I might be confusing Lost with Time Machine. It's gotten that bad.

Agreed about the wasted back-stories, what lousy fillers. And the music don't help any, especially trying to create suspense where there is none. I believe the success of Lost is due to its soundtrack; the ability to create superficial suspense for naught.

I suspect the black smoke is something similar to "the ID monster" from Forbidden Planet and possibly the undoing of the original Atlantis inhabitants just as they were on Valarathon 4 in Forbidden Planet.

ALL of the backstories are tied together - there is a calculated reason why almost every person on the plane is there. It is my belief that there is a plant at the Australian airport where they departed that places people intentionally on planes and the planes are intentionally routed over the islands.

The most annoying thing at the moment is the wasted backstories on characters who are now dead. What good did it do us to learn Ana Lucia's back story now that she's dead? What grand connection did we learn in Eko's stories that we couldn't have done without?


Ana Lucia is tied to Jack's father, which is central for the reason Jack was in Australia. Eko's story is there to add drama - ie introduce the Polar bear and explain that the cage that Sawyer is in + explain some of the monster noises. It also shows that possibly the smoke is a hallucination and ties that into drugs and the supernatural - but my suspicion is that it's real. (see above)

[pdpfilms]

The worst part? Tonight is a 'cliffhanger' and then a hiatus until March or something. Just enough time for me to completely dis the show forever.

You're right, yellow. As big a fan as I was, I'm afraid tonight may end up being the last Lost for me. Man, I hope JJ Abrhams and his cronies realise the discontempt among the audience and do something about it after this hiatus. If not, they're done.

[freeny]

My wife and I have missed most of the last two shows and see no real need to try and catch up. This show may have officially been lost on us (pun is intended ;) )
The endless twists with little results has killed it for us.

[benthewraith]

You're right, yellow. As big a fan as I was, I'm afraid tonight may end up being the last Lost for me. Man, I hope JJ Abrhams and his cronies realise the discontempt among the audience and do something about it after this hiatus. If not, they're done.

Almost every show I watch has a midseason break running till March. :mad:

[Dagless]

At least I can gorge myself on Planet Earth, Torchwood, Robin Hood and the last episode of Spooks. I don't know anymore. I hate what's happening to this show built on suspense and confusion, it's too suspending.