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Doctor Q

Sep 22, 2004, 11:26 AM

Note: This is part 1 of a three-part thread:This thread: Seasons 1-4
Lost Seasons 5
Lost Season 6
Starting tonight is a new ABC show by J.J. Abrams, creator of Alias (also an ABC show).

It's called "Lost" and is billed as an action-packed adventure about 48 survivors of an airplane crash on a Pacific island. They must deal with harsh conditions and each other while hoping to be rescued. As the series progresses, we will learn the personal stories behind each character. Presumably, they won't be rescued anytime soon!

Among the characters who must learn to get along with each other are a mysterious man, a woman and her brother, a "man with a sense of humor", a faded rock star, a Middle Eastern man, a traditional Korean couple, a dad who just got custody of a 9-year-old son he doesn't know, and plenty more.

No Tom Hanks, no Wilson the volleyball (here's why (http://shtick.org/WilsonAndJFK/news64a.htm)), and no Gilligan, Ginger, and Maryanne. But maybe it'll turn out to be a good show anyway.

I find it suspicious that there is already a nice-looking "Unofficial" fan site (http://www.lost-tv.com/) for the show, even before the premiere. Underground industry marketing, perhaps?

SilentPanda

Sep 22, 2004, 11:40 AM

I'll give it a shot... it sounds like one of those could be good could be bad sorta shows... I did like what I watched of Alias...

But I guess that's why I have Tivo... record away my little Tivo Box! :)

yellow

Sep 22, 2004, 11:42 AM

There's a hobbbit too!

Well, it's a good thing it's not NBC. If it was TOO good of a show, they'd cancel it and replace it with a Law & Order spin off (or a Whoopi Goldberg show [shudder]), a la Boomtown. I'm still waiting for:

Law & Order: Traffic Violation

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39409000/jpg/_39409007_nyork150.jpg

yellow

Sep 22, 2004, 11:43 AM

But I guess that's why I have Tivo... record away my little Tivo Box! :)

Panda, quick off topic question (Sorry Dr. Q) about TiVo. Can you record one thing and watch something else simultaneously?

zelmo

Sep 22, 2004, 11:49 AM

Well, at least it will be something to hold us over until Alias starts back up in January. Of course, I just picked up the Season 3 DVD set, so I can always watch that and pray the series gets back on track this year...

FuzzyBallz

Sep 22, 2004, 12:43 PM

Panda, quick off topic question (Sorry Dr. Q) about TiVo. Can you record one thing and watch something else simultaneously?
Yes. You know, you should really google for it, there's a huge TiVO community.

yellow

Sep 22, 2004, 12:48 PM

Yes. You know, you should really google for it, there's a huge TiVO community.

Yeah, thanks.

Edit:

I consistantly get conflicting information. It's quite irritating.

SilentPanda

Sep 22, 2004, 12:59 PM

Panda, quick off topic question (Sorry Dr. Q) about TiVo. Can you record one thing and watch something else simultaneously?

To be more specific...

You can... it just depends on what you mean.

You can watch something else that you've recorded while the Tivo is recording. You can also watch live TV while it's recording. But to do that you have to put your Tivo on "Standby". It will still record whatever shows it's supposed to. You just won't get any Tivo menus and will have to change the channel on your TV instead of leaving it on channel 3. You could also (if your TV has enough inputs) just splice the cable to your Tivo and to your TV. In it's simplest form about the only thing you can't do is change to another live channel while the Tivo is recording. Well... you can change the channel but it'll stop recording. :)

It's okay. I find it's hard to get information sometimes through google.

yellow

Sep 22, 2004, 01:02 PM

Thanks very much, Panda.

wdlove

Sep 22, 2004, 02:17 PM

The advertisements for the show has certainly peaked my interest. IMHO it seems that it would actually be better as a full length movie. Doing the letter box effect like on "ER" would be a nice addition.

wordmunger

Sep 22, 2004, 02:23 PM

Thanks very much, Panda.
I have directivo, (TiVo service from DirecTV), and you don't need to go through all that rigamarole to watch/record at the same time. It just works. Highly recommended. I guess TiVo with broadcast or cable works differently.

MacNut

Sep 22, 2004, 03:28 PM

ABC could use a good show that can last the season, as much as I like watching Regis :rolleyes: ABC needs some actual content. On a side note to TV when is 24 going to return, Fox always promoted it up the wazoo.

Alias not until Jan, what gives.

MacNut

Sep 22, 2004, 03:33 PM

evoluzione

Sep 22, 2004, 06:01 PM

Law & Order: Traffic Violation

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39409000/jpg/_39409007_nyork150.jpg

hahaha, that's awesome.

DoctorQ ... cheers for the heads up about Lost, wouldn't have known about it otherwise, got my TiVo all ready for it too :D

oh, and for those who don't have TiVo, what are you doing???? get it now!!! it's sooo much better, when i moved i had to go without it for a couple of weeks, and watching TV without it again is just horrible. I'd probably get the same feeling if I had to go back to 28.8k dialup, catch my drift? ;)

and yeah, you can record one thing and watch another, just like you would do with your vcr. with cable and tivo (not sure how the DirecTiVo works) you'd lose the cool TiVo features of the channel you're watching whilst recording on another, but whatever. You can always watch something it's previously recorded whilst it is recording something else. And, if something clashes, it will know if the same episode is on later that night (as many shows are) and automatically tape it then, so you don't miss anything. You can get them now where they dub it to DVD too, so you can save a ton by burning your favourite TV shows instead of buying them for $50 a season or whatever.

sorry for the digression :)

bousozoku

Sep 22, 2004, 06:29 PM

This sounds like a copy of Peter Benchley's Amazon.

That idea in itself is highly exciting since original programming is so boring.

SilentPanda

Sep 22, 2004, 07:07 PM

Heh... maybe I shouldn't be watching this show considering in 3 days I'm headed over the Atlantic...

Mannnnnn... if there are dinosaurs in this show I quit.

3rdpath

Sep 22, 2004, 08:38 PM

i'll be watching it...from what i've heard it should be fun.

ntm, a friend of mine gets sucked out of the plane during the crash sequence...its not every day you get to see that... ;)

MacNut

Sep 22, 2004, 08:45 PM

I liked the show but my only concern is can they keep up this plot for a whole season.

pdpfilms

Sep 22, 2004, 08:50 PM

So now that the episode's over with....

What's the mystery monster??

Dinosaurs? (Jurassic Park 4: All Over Again)
Crazy cannibals?
Al-Queda?

Doctor Q

Sep 23, 2004, 01:39 AM

I think it's a lonely rhino who just wants to be friends. The pilot didn't want to play.

Was that Greg Grunberg from Alias?

FuzzyBallz

Sep 23, 2004, 01:52 AM

Oh God, I missed the 1st episode part 1, I missed the part where the fat woman got thrown outta the plane w/ the chair. I hope they do a re-run next week, after part 2.

yellow

Sep 23, 2004, 07:10 AM

I only caught the end. When 3 of them were in the plane with the pilot, before he got sucked out. Maybe they landed on Ape Island? Or Candy Apple Island? Or it's a big, angry Mastadon.

But the hobbit survived. Go furry feet!

Chip NoVaMac

Sep 23, 2004, 07:50 AM

I am mixed on this show after watching. The "monster" is a bit over the top.

agreenster

Sep 23, 2004, 08:34 AM

Oh God, I missed the 1st episode part 1, I missed the part where the fat woman got thrown outta the plane w/ the chair. I hope they do a re-run next week, after part 2.

They didnt show that. They're doing the actual plane accident as flashbacks, and they've only shown a tiny bit. The beginning of the show is Jack laying in the jungle, and he runs out to the beach to see the wreckage.

My guess is giant mutated cats...
Or the actual JUNGLE (ie: plants) are alive

or...

They're demons, and the island is purgatory, and all of them died in the crash. (ie: new meaning to the term lost) Whoever shows the most valor and has redeemable qualities, gets to go to heaven. However, the pilot was a good guy...

Chip NoVaMac

Sep 23, 2004, 08:43 AM

They didnt show that. They're doing the actual plane accident as flashbacks, and they've only shown a tiny bit. The beginning of the show is Jack laying in the jungle, and he runs out to the beach to see the wreckage.

My guess is giant mutated cats...
Or the actual JUNGLE (ie: plants) are alive

or...

They're demons, and the island is purgatory, and all of them died in the crash. (ie: new meaning to the term lost) Whoever shows the most valor and has redeemable qualities, gets to go to heaven. However, the pilot was a good guy...

Or the island has "mystical/demonic" powers. And the "monster" is the dog.

AndiePandie

Sep 23, 2004, 08:51 AM

On a side note to TV when is 24 going to return, Fox always promoted it up the wazoo.

Alias not until Jan, what gives.

24 isn't until Jan. either. Boo hiss....

I forgot to set my Replay to record! GAH! Can anyone give a nice recap? :D

SilentPanda

Sep 23, 2004, 09:02 AM

24 isn't until Jan. either. Boo hiss....

I forgot to set my Replay to record! GAH! Can anyone give a nice recap? :D

Plane crash... the front and back of the plane broke off... only the mid section landed on the shore of this island... they did find the cockpit deeper in the jungle... the pilot was alive until some unseen growly thing killed him... the island tends to shift from day to night pretty quick. The characters talked a bit here and there... but nothing major... there's a doctor, a pregnant lady, some girl with hopes of being rescued, an asian couple who seems to be wanting to be on their own (the male does anyway), a lifeguard guy... they found out they're a thousand miles off course (so said the pilot before he died) so the odds of anybody looking for them where ever they are is slim...

Hmmmm... that's pretty much it. Oh... and there is this yellow lab (or something like that) that they (or just we) see every so often that looks like a house pet (not mean or vicious).

Yeah. Doesn't sound too exciting does it? I thought it was a good program until the "monster" bit... ah well. I'll give it a few more watches.

yellow

Sep 23, 2004, 09:08 AM

However, the pilot was a good guy...

I hear that he sexually abused mailboxes while pummeling innocent kittens.

SilentPanda

Sep 23, 2004, 09:16 AM

:rolleyes:

You got a link to back that up?

:D

evoluzione

Sep 23, 2004, 09:36 AM

i think (i saw it on my tivo anyway) there's a 2 hour showing at the weekend (i guess next weekend) with the whole pilot (the pilot episodes 1 and 2 - not Eric Weiss the airplane pilot :) )

i thought it was good. a refreshing primetime show.

SilentPanda

Sep 23, 2004, 09:52 AM

Tivo Online is showing 10/2 as a reairing date with a 2 hour time slot (so both episodes of the Pilot).

Good spot!

FuzzyBallz

Sep 23, 2004, 12:46 PM

Is there an arial shot of the island when the plane crashed? Maybe the island looks like some menacing figure?

Doctor Q

Sep 23, 2004, 02:09 PM

I didn't really like the monster part of the plot. You could accept the rest of the story with a small grain of salt, but the monster requires one very large grain.

Might the monster be a Jaguar, a Panther, or a Tiger? Of course, maybe J.J. Abrams wouldn't do that because he's known to be a Mac guy, so he would have Jaguars, Panthers, and Tigers be good, not bad.

Maybe there's a very exclusive Club Med on the island, and they use jungle-style Zamboni machines for their security roundsl, and that's what the big thing in the forest is.

SilentPanda

Sep 23, 2004, 02:10 PM

I hope it's zombies. There really aren't enough zombies in prime time.

yellow

Sep 23, 2004, 02:25 PM

I'm telling you, it's a tropical mastadon.

SilentPanda

Sep 23, 2004, 02:29 PM

Maybe it's this:

http://www.pudikatzcattery.com/cats/male%20seal%20lynx%20%20kitten.jpg

But ya know... like... bigger... and with sharp teeth.

rueyeet

Sep 23, 2004, 02:32 PM

My neighbor was psyched about this premiere because it had the hobbit and some other person from Angel and 24 in it, so she Tivo'ed it and roped me into watching it.

I must say, the pilot didn't give me the slightest interest in seeing the next episode. It's like the network's trying to create a scripted drama out of all the Survivor/Fear Factor-type reality shows. The pacing is contrived and predictable--snippets of emotional, human interaction are alternated back and forth with Oh My God! Another Emergency! complications.

And half of those weren't even believable. The plane's crashed into ruined pieces of tortured metal, and yet one of the engines is still functioning enough to suck one of the Survivors into it? Riiiiight. Man, that's one well-made plane: In Pieces, and Stiiiiill Going!!

Further, the Hollywood "oooh! 'splosions!" rule is heartily in effect, as the unfortunate suckee makes said engine explode furiously. And then the heavy bit of wreckage teetering ever so precariously overhead *just* misses the pregnant woman--of course!--and BOOM! explodes too! even though it only seemed to be the twisted off top of the fuselage and showed no sign of containing any flammable substance whatsoever. And BOOM! this makes the other engine explode too! 'Cause, y'know, mechanical stuff's like, well, explosive. We all know that from countless action flicks with huge pyrotechnic budgets, right?

Don't even get me started on the mysterious beastie. Yes, it rattles and rolls about in the spooky darkness....but evidently this obviously horrifically carnivorous Thingy is still afraid enough of fire and large groups of people not to attack the beach or chew up the bodies in the front chunk of the plane left unattended in the jungle. And, despite its ravenous hunger, it just sorta chews the pilot up a bit, then leaves him mostly whole in a branch. Come on. Any carnivore worth its sharp pointy teeth is going to actually EAT its food. Are we supposed to believe it has merely cached him for later?

But I guess that's why its attack convinces the three of them to leave the only cover between there and the beach to run away from something that's obivously bigger and faster than them, through thick jungle, without weapons! Oooooh! The DRAMA!!!

The writing and character interaction would have to have been a heckuva lot better to make this overwrought manipulation of every dramatic mechanism at all interesting. Even the hints at revelations of the motivations and secrets of the various castaways seems like a hackneyed reassembling of every series that's used the whole "wildly different people forced together in emergency situation!" schtick before. Meh.

/rant

*cough* If you liked the show, I apologize for my tone, but y'know....just being my usual, tactlessly honest and mulishly opinionated self.

yellow

Sep 23, 2004, 02:33 PM

Maybe it's this:

http://www.pudikatzcattery.com/cats/male%20seal%20lynx%20%20kitten.jpg

But ya know... like... bigger... and with sharp teeth.

AH! No! Noooo! Get it away! NOOOOO!! Ah! The humanity!!

SilentPanda

Sep 23, 2004, 02:38 PM

Good thing we're not in the focus group... :)

rueyeet

Sep 23, 2004, 02:41 PM

re: the Kitten

Seriously, man. Can't you see the gleam of madness in its wide staring eyes?!? All that fur is merely to hide its long, poisoned claws! and possible cybernetic weaponry! :eek: :D

yellow

Sep 23, 2004, 02:43 PM

SilentPanda

Sep 23, 2004, 02:45 PM

It'd be pretty sweet if it was Brak...

http://www.chemistx2.com/physicalscience/brak.gif

yellow

Sep 23, 2004, 02:47 PM

It'd be pretty sweet if it was Brak...

LOL. I second that. I'd even take Zorak.

Chip NoVaMac

Sep 23, 2004, 03:25 PM

And how do you get people interested in 48 characters?

yellow

Sep 23, 2004, 03:32 PM

And how do you get people interested in 48 characters?

Monsters and explosions, baby!

takao

Sep 23, 2004, 03:34 PM

Heh.. wait.. they're in the Pacific right? Maybe they met Godillza's baby. Something mutated by nuke testing back in the 50s. Oh for the love of feta, if that's what it is... I swear I will boycott ABC too.

(i haven't seen the show)

or perhaps the 'victims' of a giant genetic experiment that has gone wrong on the island ...

Chip NoVaMac

Sep 23, 2004, 03:57 PM

Monsters and explosions, baby!

Heck, then just watch the evening news then :D

rueyeet

Sep 23, 2004, 05:04 PM

Actually, my neighbor did mention murmurings that the beastie could turn the show in the direction of the supernatural, in a kind of bait-and-switch.

If that's true, my money says that particular plot twist will be overdone in the same hackneyed way the rest of the show is, and be corny and lame.

Whatever it is, that's one big critter. With all the stomping, I expected a takeoff on the Jurassic Park water-shiver thing. And somehow I'm also inescapably reminded of that "movie outline" one of Jhonen Vasquez' Meanwhile strips where the Godzilla-like monster snaps up the kid, then is occasionally shown throughout the rest of the strip chewing on him like bubblegum while the kid struggles and yells.

Heh. I need to read those again. :D

yellow

Sep 23, 2004, 05:13 PM

Maybe it's the Island of Misfit Toys, and the Bumble got stranded there.

http://www.crystallyn.com/bumble.jpg

Roar! Stomp! Mangle!

SilentPanda

Sep 23, 2004, 05:34 PM

Maybe it's the Island of Lost Toys, and the Bumble got stranded there.

Roar! Stomp! Mangle!

I thought it was the island of misfit toys?

Regardless... that would be sweet... :)

yellow

Sep 23, 2004, 05:42 PM

Ack! It is.. You obviously remember your campy 70's weird-mation! :)

SilentPanda

Sep 23, 2004, 06:09 PM

I found this on the ABC website in a hidden link... :eek:

:eek:

SilentPanda

Sep 23, 2004, 06:10 PM

Don't worry. I know I'm not worthy of a graphics editing program... although it's probably art to somebody... :)

AndiePandie

Sep 23, 2004, 06:43 PM

:p :p That's hysterical!

yellow

Sep 23, 2004, 07:07 PM

Nice addition with the drool. :)

Dr. Dastardly

Sep 23, 2004, 07:12 PM

Am I the only one that thought that the show was great. I think the smart money is on dinosaurs however, maybe some mammoth thrown in. Besides there is not enough dinosaurs in prime time anyway. :p

SilentPanda

Sep 23, 2004, 07:27 PM

Nice addition with the drool. :)

I tried morphing the two pictures with MorphX but that proved to not work well (for these pictures)... so I resorted to Graphic Convertor... however it's not drool! It's the blood of the people on the island!!!!!!! Or drool.

yellow

Sep 23, 2004, 08:00 PM

Or drool.

I meant blood. Spelling mistake.

I give you, the fearsome Bumbrakitten!

wdlove

Sep 23, 2004, 08:19 PM

Sadly I missed the show, because my wife didn't finish her paperwork till late. So we didn't have dinner until after 8pm. Her comment was, I don't think it will be any good anyway.

SilentPanda

Sep 23, 2004, 08:58 PM

I meant blood. Spelling mistake.

I give you, the fearsome Bumbrakitten!

Man I wish I had your skills at graphics... :(

yellow

Sep 23, 2004, 09:13 PM

No skills. But time and Photoshop helps.

stevehaslip

Sep 24, 2004, 02:21 PM

i've heard very good things about this series, reviews etc saying that its one of the best new shows of the new season. I wouldn't miss it!!!!

Heres what reviewers had to say:

"Hercules the Strong gives it five stars (out of five) and says:

… the fall’s best new show … What’s great? The characters, the action, the mysteries, the pacing, the comedy, the many grisly mishaps, the special effects, the twist endings. The huge and unprecedented number of crash survivors, which should make for some fascinating drama as this strange new society is forged. The three harrowing, and I mean harrowing, planebound flashbacks, which should give many a frequent flyer nightmares for years. The cast generally, and [Jorge] Garcia’s repeated use of the noun “dude” in particular. The many fascinating loose ends, so certain to leave audiences craving more (just as the loose ends left by the “Alias” pilot did three years ago).

Variety says:

expensive, intriguing … More than any of the current shows lensing in Hawaii, "Lost" makes sumptuous use of its tropical surroundings … Abrams (who co-wrote and directed the pilot) also does a nice job layering on the tension … Abrams' misspent youth serves him well tapping into various sci-fi conventions, as he has to some extent with the spy world on "Alias"

The Hollywood Reporter says:

… a rollicking good adventure drama, starting with a pilot episode that plants the seeds from which inviting stories should sprout … The adventure component is above average for the small screen, but what seals this deal are the intriguing survivors. … Despite the hurry-up schedule under which the pilot was shot, thought was obviously given to creating scenes of suspense, conflict and physical attraction. …

Entertainment Weekly gives it an “A” and says:

Fall’s best new drama … I was tempted to hedge on my final grade because Lost is the kind of show that could go anywhere. Then I realized that’s exactly why I should commit to the ride.

TV Guide says:

… Abrams has done it again, bringing a thrilling, sensational urgency to the hokiest of premises. Relentlessly suspenseful, lavishly produced and terrifically cast with a large ensemble … Lost is a real find. If viewers discover it, they’ll want to come back.

8 p.m. Wednesday. ABC."

24 and alias return in january woohoo!!! :D

yellow

Sep 24, 2004, 02:39 PM

Aren't these the same people that say "The Cat In The Hat was a wonderful romp through the days of our youth"? Liars! Liars!

MacNut

Sep 24, 2004, 02:40 PM

Speaking of 24, what is the plot this year, besides it taking place in a day.

Chip NoVaMac

Sep 24, 2004, 04:58 PM

jeremy.king

Sep 24, 2004, 05:05 PM

You sure its not one of these?

Chip NoVaMac

Sep 24, 2004, 05:48 PM

You sure its not one of these?

That I maybe can support.

If ABC wants a "Charmed" or other show, then they should be honest on the direction of the show. They are no better than whores.

Doctor Q

Oct 2, 2004, 09:46 PM

Anybody still watching this show? It's not stellar, but it's still ok. I like the fat guy (sorry, fat guy, I don't remember your name) who wasn't much help with surgery. But maybe you shouldn't put me in charge of picking the best character, since my favorite character in Jurassic Park was Dennis Nedry, the annoying programmer.

The best part of Lost episode #2 was the revelation about the handcuffs.

Chip NoVaMac

Oct 3, 2004, 08:38 AM

Agreed, but Polar Bears in the tropics and a 60 year old radio message loop? Not sure how much longer this show will be around.

yellow

Oct 3, 2004, 08:42 AM

That was a POLAR BEAR?!?!?!

evoluzione

Oct 3, 2004, 08:51 AM

i still liked it a lot. i thnk it's going to get better too.

you're right about the reality/fantasy thing though...did they ever say it wasn't fantasy?? i'm happy with it either way honestly.

so it was shot in Hawai'i??

Chip NoVaMac

Oct 3, 2004, 08:57 AM

That was a POLAR BEAR?!?!?!

Well that is what they said it was....

Chip NoVaMac

Oct 3, 2004, 08:58 AM

stillwater

Oct 3, 2004, 09:38 AM

Agreed, but Polar Bears in the tropics and a 60 year old radio message loop? Not sure how much longer this show will be around.

I'm pretty sure it was 16 years.

Freg3000

Oct 3, 2004, 09:46 AM

I'm pretty sure it was 16 years.

Yes, although it was difficult to hear that because of the middle eastern man's accent.

I like the show. I don't really care about the unrealistic nature of some of it. About 48 survivors, I'm sure we won't meet them all. But the ones we have are sure interesting. I mean that whole Kate being a criminal thing is going to be revealed next episode.

stillwater

Oct 3, 2004, 09:51 AM

Panda, quick off topic question (Sorry Dr. Q) about TiVo. Can you record one thing and watch something else simultaneously?

Just to clarify, a stand alone Tivo box can only record one show at a time. So you can record one show and watch a previously recorded show at same time.

A Directv receiver with Tivo built in has two satellite tuners so you can record two shows at once while watching something you recorded previously.

Another advantage of the Directivo is that it records the digital bitstream directly from the satellite so it always records at the highest quality.

agreenster

Oct 3, 2004, 09:53 AM

Some of you people need to ****.

Anyway, I think this show has a lot of potential. OF COURSE it isnt REAL. That mood was established in the first episode. It almost appears as if these people were chosen to survive, and there's a real spiritual, fantasy undertone. It's as if these people's very thoughts control the dangers on the island (if its even an island at all). Lots of mystery which will undoubtedly unravel over the course of the show. The character's backgrounds are beginning to surface, and its good stuff.

Seriously folks, give it a chance. It's better than all the other ****** on tv. Reality TV has finally gotten as bad as it could possibly be. I'm happy to see writers making original stuff again. Just because they're on an island doesnt mean its a ripoff of survivor.

Doctor Q

Oct 3, 2004, 10:00 AM

Next week, Kate, Charlie, Sawyer, Sayid, Boone, and Shannon explore the far side of island. What do they find? Mr. Roarke (Ricardo Montelban) and Tattoo (Herve Villechaize) saying "De plane, Boss! De plane!"

http://www.stairstars.com/pics/fi.jpg

agreenster

Oct 3, 2004, 10:01 AM

I prefer "reality" of L&O, CSI, and warming up to Clubhouse.

Law and Order, SVU is a great show. I like NYPD blue too. Andy Sipowitz is a great character.

I like CSI for the most part, but every time they solve a case by doing some 3D animation at the push of a button, I cringe. Or better yet, they "zoom in and cleanup" an area on B+W grainy surveillance cameras. Gawd, are you kidding? Gimme a break. Most CSI's have 386's from 1989 and sit in a concrete-walled, florescent-ly lit room and are super-dorks, not cleavagey, sexy supermodels.

Or even more: CSI's are NOT really detectives. They NEVER talk to the suspects in the interrogation room, and "solve cases." They're really nothing more than lab people with badges.

But thats TV. It's fantasy. But if you're judging Lost based on it's believability, maybe you should take a step back and look at it for what it is: a TV show. Unless it's "cops" it aint gonna be real.

stillwater

Oct 3, 2004, 10:33 AM

I like CSI for the most part, but every time they solve a case by doing some 3D animation at the push of a button, I cringe. Or better yet, they "zoom in and cleanup" an area on B+W grainy surveillance cameras. Gawd, are you kidding? Gimme a break. Most CSI's have 386's from 1989 and sit in a concrete-walled, florescent-ly lit room and are super-dorks, not cleavagey, sexy supermodels.

Or even more: CSI's are NOT really detectives. They NEVER talk to the suspects in the interrogation room, and "solve cases." They're really nothing more than lab people with badges.

You're right on the money about CSI. Whenever I watch CSI and they are examining a crime scene with their little Flashlights, I always think "just turn on the lights". That show is all about atmosphere, not accuracy.

Thomas Veil

Oct 3, 2004, 10:40 AM

I'm with agreenster. I'll keep watching the show to see how it's going to develop. It seems to be the most "different" show on the air right now.

Unlike some of you, I went into the show knowing there was a possibility it would take a supernatural/sci-fi turn. I kind of got that impression from the promos. It wouldn't be the first show to do so. Remember Twin Peaks? All we knew at the very beginning was that there was a girl who was murdered, in a town full of odd characters. But they began to ease us into the idea that there was something spooky going on, and it worked, too.

Right now they've left a lot of tantalizing questions, such as:

• What the hell is a polar bear doing on a tropical island?
• Is the polar bear what they heard in the jungle, or is there something else out there?
• Is the air marshall going to survive?
• And why was that girl handcuffed?
• How on earth has that transmitter been going for 16 years? What's powering it, and where is it?
• Is there a possibility that the woman heard on the transmission is still alive somewhere?
• Is the Iraqi guy going to turn out to be a help or a problem?

Personally, I hope they don't go the "Lost World"/dinosaur route. That'd be too obvious, and too easy.

One question. I missed the very beginning. Why did the plane disappear from radar and turn around towards Fiji?

Oh yeah. And if I see that Desperate Housewives promo with Teri Hatcher getting that towel ripped away from her one more time, I'm gonna barf. And Marcia Cross just creeps me out. Is she an android or something?

agreenster

Oct 3, 2004, 11:11 AM

• What the hell is a polar bear doing on a tropical island?

Did you notice that the little black boy was reading a spanish comic book, and the first image they showed in the book was of a menacing polar bear? This kid is the key to something...his mother just died and now he's lost his dog during a plane crash....the dog and the boy are key elements

• And why was that girl handcuffed?

She was going to trial for murder if I remember right. She was pleading self-defense I think. Or as the cop said, "bulls**t story"

One question. I missed the very beginning. Why did the plane disappear from radar and turn around towards Fiji?

I don't think it's been answered yet. The pilot just said they lost radio contact and thought the best thing to do was turn back toward Fiji. Then, the plane hit major turbulence and flew 1000 miles off course before it crashed. Someone clear this up, I cant remember exactly.

Doctor Q

Oct 3, 2004, 11:27 AM

Freg3000

Oct 3, 2004, 12:40 PM

When they shot the approaching creature, my first thought was "oh no, they killed that boy's dog". I was relieved that is was only a tropical polar bear. But, once it was dead, why didn't anybody suggest that they use the bear for food for all these castaways?

Would you wanna haul that polar bear's big behind all the way back to the beach? I'm sure the French-speaking girl would be the first to volunteer....

Doctor Q

Oct 3, 2004, 12:47 PM

Would you wanna haul that polar bear's big behind all the way back to the beach? I'm sure the French-speaking girl would be the first to volunteer....If I didn't have food, yes, I'd take as much as I could carry.

And the polar bear wouldn't have to move if the people did. There's no reason the rest of the people can't hike up to the polar bear snack bar. The ocean view is better at the beach, but I'd pick food over scenery.

3rdpath

Oct 3, 2004, 11:47 PM

theres a lot more to this show than people stranded on an island.

of course theres a supernatural/spiritual element to it...

and yes, most of the people there hold a clue to the island...they just don't know it. even the people you assume are dead.

it isn't land of the lost revisited.

the fact that the pilot was split into two episodes was crap and really took away some of the overall impact of the show...give it a chance.

Doctor Q

Oct 12, 2004, 05:33 PM

Something struck me as odd last week. The week before, we saw the flashback on the plane where Kate struggles to get out of handcuffs to get her oxygen mask on. But last week we saw the same flashback again, and this time she didn't seem to have any trouble at all. Maybe it was just cut shorter, but it seemed like a directing mistake.

Of the characters in the story, I like Hurley best. A nice counterpoint to both the brave and the mysterious characters around him. The actor (Jorge Garcia) is also a singer and stand-up comic! He had a reoccurring part on the "Becker" TV show, which I also liked.

http://a.abc.com/primetime/lost/images/bios/bio_Garcia.jpg

emw

Oct 12, 2004, 06:33 PM

You know, I like the show so far, except for the premise - that these folks are flying and encounter turbulence that rips the plane apart. I fly quite often, generally over 60,000 miles a year, yet still I'm a somewhat nervous flier. Just one more reason to clench my teeth when we hit a rough pocket over the Rockies, I guess.

Dr. Dastardly

Oct 12, 2004, 06:50 PM

So when are the Harlem Globetrotters going to make an appearence....

Of course! Thats whats roaring and koncking down the trees! :eek:

Chip NoVaMac

Oct 12, 2004, 07:34 PM

So when are the Harlem Globetrotters going to make an appearence....

Of course! Thats whats roaring and koncking down the trees! :eek:

Or one of the Caringtons show up from Dynasty.....

Still trying to find a reason to continue watching.....

Doctor Q

Oct 15, 2004, 12:38 AM

The back and forth flashback vs. present story about Locke was very well done. Classic J.J. Abrams.

Anybody catch the "Office Space" joke in this week's episode?

SilentPanda

Oct 20, 2004, 12:50 PM

Wonderul wonderful Penny Arcade...

http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2004-10-20&res=l

yellow

Oct 20, 2004, 12:53 PM

Once again, Penny Arcade comes through! :)

3rdpath

Oct 21, 2004, 10:46 AM

gotta say, it's just getting better with each episode.

catch the " strawberry fields" reference? knowing that j.j. is a music fanatic, i'm certain that those lyrics are related to the storyline.

also, anyone notice the major continuity gaff? during the "water rationing" scene in the tent, each time jack speaks the same two people walk behind him in the background. my wife didn't notice but thanks to the wonder of DVR, i replayed it for her...somehow she wasn't as impressed as i thought she'd be...

:rolleyes:

SilentPanda

Oct 21, 2004, 11:26 AM

Very true... I almost quit watching after the first two episodes... however since the (spoiler)appearance of Jack's father(/spoiler) it's gotten quite a bit more interesting...

jrv3034

Oct 27, 2004, 08:11 PM

I love the show, but tonight's episode was a bit lame. What's up with Kate, anyway? Hmm... 2 tribes forming. Interesting. I think this episode was just setup for the next few. Can't wait to see the next one!

atszyman

Oct 27, 2004, 10:03 PM

On the next episode Jeff Probst is going to walk out of the jungle and they'll all have to eat something disgusting in order to keep from being voted off of the island... oops, wrong show/network :D

MacDawg

Nov 5, 2004, 07:39 AM

Links

Nov 7, 2004, 11:03 PM

Series creator JJ Abrams created the opening sequence
...on his Mac.

"While we were in post production on the pilot (a VERY rushed experience, that),
I made the floating "LOST" word on my trusty 12" Apple laptop."

More about this from JJ here at the "Fuselage".

http://www.thefuselage.com/threaded/index.php?topic=223.0

Nermal

Nov 7, 2004, 11:43 PM

OK... so what's up with the fireworks??

Who brought the fireworks on board the airplane??
This is a forbidden item, even in checked baggage.

I guess that little detail shouldn't be concern with all of the other stuff going on :p

You mean the flares? I'm pretty sure all aeroplanes have flares somewhere, to use in the case of a crash or other emergency. And guess what? It crashed. :rolleyes:

MacDawg

Nov 9, 2004, 02:29 PM

You mean the flares? I'm pretty sure all aeroplanes have flares somewhere, to use in the case of a crash or other emergency. And guess what? It crashed. :rolleyes:

Hmmmmm, I work for a major US air carrier, and have never heard of these types of flares being carried on a domestic aircraft. I've checked with a lot of folks around her including pilots, and the consensus is that they aren't there. First of all, they are considered "dangerous goods" and would have to be regulated under strict guidelines. Second, they would have to be secured from access to anyone. Third, they surely wouldn't be bottle rockets! Now I know that this was supposed to be an International carrier, and not US, but still... I'm not sensing that this is in the realm of possibility. (not that anything else on the island is either!) :)

Its not a big deal, it just stuck out in my mind!

Anybody got experience with other carriers, and flares of this type being available on an aircraft??

Chip NoVaMac

Nov 9, 2004, 02:43 PM

Hmmmmm, I work for a major US air carrier, and have never heard of these types of flares being carried on a domestic aircraft. I've checked with a lot of folks around her including pilots, and the consensus is that they aren't there. First of all, they are considered "dangerous goods" and would have to be regulated under strict guidelines. Second, they would have to be secured from access to anyone. Third, they surely wouldn't be bottle rockets! Now I know that this was supposed to be an International carrier, and not US, but still... I'm not sensing that this is in the realm of possibility. (not that anything else on the island is either!)Its not a big deal, it just stuck out in my mind!

Anybody got experience with other carriers, and flares of this type being available on an aircraft??

I am not sure that I would like flying on an aircraft knowing bottle rockets were on board. :)

I am beginning to like certain aspects to Lost, and not others. I am starting to feel that this would have been done better as a November "sweeps" month "mini-series"; rather than a "year" long series.

Caught the episodes with the Korean couples "back story", and the drug addicted band member. Both very good stories, but worth my wading an hour for good material, I am having my doubts.

I am much preferring "Clubhouse". Some of us are pointing to the "real world" of Lost. And Clubhouse does not reflect real world either. At least it provides some "uplifting" hope. Not too mention so many story lines (as in Lost) it is hard for the casual viewer to just jump in and enjoy the show.

I hope that the rumors that I heard that Lost was a one season series is true. At least this way I know that I am half way through the pain of finding some finality to the show.

MacDawg

Nov 9, 2004, 02:47 PM

Chip NoVaMac

Nov 9, 2004, 05:07 PM

There are some good things and bad things about the show.

Some of the story line is good, but you are right, it does drag out at times. I also feel that if I miss once or twice, I'll be too far behind to catch up because I won't know the "secrets" that are revealed each week.

Kate is hot though. Don't care what she did.

For some reason, I think she and the crummy guy may have a past that is yet to be revealed.

Shows like Lost is causing problems in my house. My other half comes home from school or work, and wants to talk about their day during the show. Thanks for Cox DVR, I am able to rewind (like Tivo), though they find it rude when I pause or rewind to get the details on what was said.

MacDawg

Nov 9, 2004, 06:21 PM

Shows like Lost is causing problems in my house. My other half comes home from school or work, and wants to talk about their day during the show. Thanks for Cox DVR, I am able to rewind (like Tivo), though they find it rude when I pause or rewind to get the details on what was said.

I feel your pain!
My wife comes home every Wed night at 8:50... and she is unhappy because I don't come and meet her at the door and listen to all she has to say. Just 10 minutes, that's all I ask! Then I will give my undivided attention. Its tough to invest 50 minutes in a show, come to the very peak of interest and then have it ripped away. 10 minutes is all I ask!

Chip NoVaMac

Nov 9, 2004, 07:33 PM

I feel your pain!
My wife comes home every Wed night at 8:50... and she is unhappy because I don't come and meet her at the door and listen to all she has to say. Just 10 minutes, that's all I ask! Then I will give my undivided attention. Its tough to invest 50 minutes in a show, come to the very peak of interest and then have it ripped away. 10 minutes is all I ask!

LOL...

In our house they can come in at the start, and if I pause the DVR to listen to what they are saying they take offense. Or if I "rewind" to catch" something during their chat. Now that is "pain'.....

Dr. Dastardly

Nov 9, 2004, 11:42 PM

I feel your pain!
My wife comes home every Wed night at 8:50... and she is unhappy because I don't come and meet her at the door and listen to all she has to say. Just 10 minutes, that's all I ask! Then I will give my undivided attention. Its tough to invest 50 minutes in a show, come to the very peak of interest and then have it ripped away. 10 minutes is all I ask!
I hear you, especially with a show like Lost where the first 50 minutes is just a build up to the last 10. :p

But why would they get mad if you pause the show or rewind? Or why not just pause and then go talk to them for 15 minutes and come back. I know its the show sucks you in but why not do it at the 45 min. mark where there is always a commercial?

Chip NoVaMac

Nov 9, 2004, 11:50 PM

I hear you, especially with a show like Lost where the first 50 minutes is just a build up to the last 10. :p

But why would they get mad if you pause the show or rewind? Or why not just pause and then go talk to them for 15 minutes and come back. I know its the show sucks you in but why not do it at the 45 min. mark where there is always a commercial?

I am not sure that you have been with the same person for 12+ years. :D

It is a matter of respect I guess. If I came home with "tons" to talk about I would say so. In some relationships it is a sign of "disrespect" that you "pause" a show that you are watching. Sign of the times. Years ago, you had few options. Now you have shows that so much meaning in short passages, that the rest is fluff.

MacDawg

Nov 10, 2004, 06:46 AM

I am not sure that you have been with the same person for 12+ years. :D

It is a matter of respect I guess. If I came home with "tons" to talk about I would say so. In some relationships it is a sign of "disrespect" that you "pause" a show that you are watching. Sign of the times. Years ago, you had few options. Now you have shows that so much meaning in short passages, that the rest is fluff.

Or 27+ years!
You cannot give the slightest impression that any show is more important than small talk. You could lose ALL TV privileges :p

Now, we know the show is not more important than our significant other, but c'mon, just 10 minutes and its done! Its one of those loyalty check things, just to see how important they really are.

emw

Dec 3, 2004, 10:40 AM

I missed this week's episode (long story - bad move with TiVo season pass manager resulted in a recording of Wednesday's "The Apprentice). Can anyone provide a brief synopsis of important points? I haven't been able to locate anyone I know who recorded it.

Thanks!

Doctor Q

Dec 3, 2004, 10:56 AM

Can anyone provide a brief synopsis of important points?See http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/episodes/2004-05/10.html.

emw

Dec 3, 2004, 11:55 AM

See http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/episodes/2004-05/10.html.

Thanks! I picked a bad week to miss.

Deefuzz

Dec 3, 2004, 12:07 PM

Thanks! I picked a bad week to miss.

Yeah no doubt...It was a pretty darn good episode...Kept me pretty tense at times. I can't wait to see what happens next week!

MacDawg

Dec 3, 2004, 02:02 PM

Still would like to know what Kate did.
And I hope she stays away from that sleeze, but she won't :rolleyes:
That's TV for ya!

Chip NoVaMac

Dec 3, 2004, 02:48 PM

"Lost"lost me after this weeks episode. Just could not get in to it.

MacDawg

Dec 3, 2004, 03:04 PM

"Lost"lost me after this weeks episode. Just could not get in to it.

I thought it was pretty slow, but had a kick at the end.

MacDawg

Dec 3, 2004, 03:09 PM

I think she has a bright future...

rickvanr

Dec 3, 2004, 03:47 PM

I really enjoy this show. I started watching about 6 episodes in, but I managed to get the past episodes and watch them over a weekend and I've been blown away. It's a really good show. It has a few familiar actors in it that I enjoy, great job casting.

I do wish they'd get back to explaining how there are polar bears on the island... and what is the thing on the island from the first few episodes.

Deefuzz

Dec 3, 2004, 03:48 PM

Still would like to know what Kate did.
And I hope she stays away from that sleeze, but she won't :rolleyes:
That's TV for ya!

Oh Sawyer is going to turn over a new leaf, you'll see! :)

Doctor Q

Dec 3, 2004, 03:54 PM

My favorite character, Hurley, said his name isn't really Hurley, but that he won't tell why people call him that. What did THAT mean?

evoluzione

Dec 3, 2004, 05:36 PM

My favorite character, Hurley, said his name isn't really Hurley, but that he won't tell why people call him that. What did THAT mean?

haha, yeah he's funny. i was trying to think if Ethan Rom is an anagram or something. he's the one not on the manifest by the looks of it, but who knows!?

Doctor Q

Dec 3, 2004, 06:09 PM

i was trying to think if Ethan Rom is an anagram or something.It's certainly an odd name, so it just might be.

Let's see what shuffling the letters gives us...

To Herman - Maybe the show is dedicated to somebody.

Rah Monet - For fans of artist Claude.

More than - More than what??

Hate morn - The sun comes up pretty early on a beach.

Wait, I got it...

Hot Ramen - What the castaways really want most! :)

And if you want my serious guess, Ethan Rom is an anagram of other man.

3rdpath

Dec 3, 2004, 08:06 PM

haha, yeah he's funny. i was trying to think if Ethan Rom is an anagram or something. he's the one not on the manifest by the looks of it, but who knows!?

ethan rom=other man is the right answer.

i thought this weeks show was one of the better episodes.

and hurley sounds like the nickname you'd get after losing a drinking contest.

will we ever find out who won the golf bet?

and claire is fine, fine fine. kate's not bad either.

MacDawg

Dec 3, 2004, 08:31 PM

ethan rom=other man is the right answer.

i thought this weeks show was one of the better episodes.

and hurley sounds like the nickname you'd get after losing a drinking contest.

will we ever find out who won the golf bet?

and claire is fine, fine fine. kate's not bad either.

HEY... that's right, the golf bet!
I forgot about that!!

Kate's not bad either?????
Not bad!!! NOT BAD!!!!! :rolleyes:

I just don't want Sawyer near my Kate :(
I hated it when she kissed him :mad:,
but loved it when she busted him :D

But that won't last... to much tension to be milked from that one.
Besides, she has a dark side, and is a "bad girl" that wants to be good.

3rdpath

Dec 3, 2004, 08:45 PM

Besides, she has a dark side, and is a "bad girl" that wants to be good.

i much prefer a good girl who wants to be bad...
;)

Doctor Q

Dec 3, 2004, 11:30 PM

i much prefer a good girl who wants to be bad...
;)Then don't miss Alias when it starts. The promo they are running has the heroine (Sydney Bristow, played by Jennifer Garner) being interrogated by a bad guy and then "taking decisive action" against him. The show is more action-oriented than Lost, but both have gradual plot revelations and great twists.

3rdpath

Dec 3, 2004, 11:36 PM

Then don't miss Alias when it starts. The promo they are running has the heroine (Sydney Bristow, played by Jennifer Garner) being interrogated by a bad guy and then "taking decisive action" against him. The show is more action-oriented than Lost, but both have gradual plot revelations and great twists.

i tried to get into alias but it just didn't grab me. i'm am, however, very into jennifer garner. i was lucky enough to sit next to her at a dinner party a while back. with her glasses on she kinda looked like one of those hot bookish chicks that works at barnes and noble. works for me... ;)

MacDawg

Dec 4, 2004, 07:53 AM

i tried to get into alias but it just didn't grab me. i'm am, however, very into jennifer garner. i was lucky enough to sit next to her at a dinner party a while back. with her glasses on she kinda looked like one of those hot bookish chicks that works at barnes and noble. works for me... ;)

WOW... How did you arrange that??
Details please...

I wanted to watch Alias, but I'm limited on TV time and restricted to shows my wife 'approves'. I know, I'm whipped. Dooooh, I hate it when that happens.

evoluzione

Dec 4, 2004, 08:20 AM

WOW... How did you arrange that??
Details please...

I wanted to watch Alias, but I'm limited on TV time and restricted to shows my wife 'approves'. I know, I'm whipped. Dooooh, I hate it when that happens.

haha, i feel for ya bud. it was actually my girlfriend that got me into alias at the beginning of season 3...i liked it so i said, let's not watch any more, until we've watched it all from the beginning of season 1, so we're all caught up now and extremely excited about January 5th!

3rdpath

Dec 4, 2004, 12:03 PM

WOW... How did you arrange that??
Details please...

it's just kinda the bizarre element of living in l.a. everyone goes to the store, the post office, has kids...just normal stuff. you meet people and it never comes up what they do. someone has a dinner party and you end up next to someone who's career is taking off. btw, i didn't know who she was at the time...my wife had to clue me in later after the party.

evoluzione

Jan 6, 2005, 09:52 AM

at last Lost is back after way too long an absence....

i set my TiVo to record, and we were going to start watching it half an hour late so we could fast forward through the commercials....we go to start watching it, and the freakin' cable box had decided to turn itself off!!!! so we missed the first half!! i was soooo pissed as i'd been looking forward to Lost and Alias for ages!

damn cable!!! it's not the first time it's happened either, it happened on a different box in Brooklyn...anyone else ever had their cable box turn off out of the blue before??? (it was fine again once i pressed the power button)

Deefuzz

Jan 6, 2005, 09:57 AM

rickvanr

Jan 6, 2005, 10:03 AM

AGH!! I missed an episode of Lost last night!?!? Alas, I will find the episode...somehow
It was a good one, you got to find a lot out about Kate. It's shady, but you can download the episode of bittorrent.. the avi's are usually better, but some arse has decided to start encoding at 24 frames/sec instead of 30, so video is a little choppy

rickvanr

Jan 6, 2005, 10:07 AM

I'm just watching last night's Lost, and it got me wondering.. how come the guys haven't started growing more then just scruff... and the girl are still squeaky clean

emw

Jan 6, 2005, 10:10 AM

I'm just watching last night's Lost, and it got me wondering.. how come the guys haven't started growing more then just scruff... and the girl are still squeaky clean

I was thinking the exact same thing last night. But us Americans don't generally enjoy the whole hairy armpit thing on women. Plus, I imagine they managed to scrounge some Bic razors from the toiletry bags.

SilentPanda

Jan 6, 2005, 11:14 AM

There was plenty of luggage on the plane and most likely many razors. I'm pretty sure they could manage being cleanish shaven.

emw

Jan 6, 2005, 11:18 AM

AGH!! I missed an episode of Lost last night!?!? Alas, I will find the episode...somehow

If you can't find the episode on video, go here (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/episodes/2004-05/12.html) for a synopsis.

MacDawg

Jan 6, 2005, 11:38 AM

One of the better episodes, I thought.

Moving around the characters keeps things interesting because you don't get too focused on one or two of them (though Jack and Kate are standards).

I think the casting in particular has been excellent.

Woof, Woof - Dawg

Doctor Q

Jan 6, 2005, 11:55 AM

What could possibly make the tide keep moving up the beach abnormally, which seemed to be why they all had to move further inland? That was a little far-fetched. My guess: polar waterbears.

emw

Jan 6, 2005, 12:04 PM

What could possibly make the tide keep moving up the beach abnormally, which seemed to be why they all had to move further inland? That was a little far-fetched. My guess: polar waterbears.

It's not really an island, but an alien lab/observation post. The power source used to maintain the post's stability in the water has been leaking, which is what caused the plane to crash and some of the "miraculous" recoveries, such as with Locke and potentially Jack's dad (what was up with the empty coffin, anyway?).

As a result, the "island" is destabilizing and is starting to sink slightly; so what they think is the tide rising is really the island sinking.

Okay, maybe that's a little far-fetched as well...

Wyvernspirit

Jan 6, 2005, 12:10 PM

It's not really an island, but an alien lab/observation post. The power source used to maintain the post's stability in the water has been leaking, which is what caused the plane to crash and some of the "miraculous" recoveries, such as with Locke and potentially Jack's dad (what was up with the empty coffin, anyway?).

As a result, the "island" is destabilizing and is starting to sink slightly; so what they think is the tide rising is really the island sinking.

Okay, maybe that's a little far-fetched as well...

Seems reasonable enough as it is a Sci/Fi... ;)

Chip NoVaMac

Jan 6, 2005, 12:58 PM

3rdpath

Jan 6, 2005, 03:36 PM

I'm just watching last night's Lost, and it got me wondering.. how come the guys haven't started growing more then just scruff... and the girl are still squeaky clean

because they have hair and makeup people to handle that stuff... :D

tv people don't use the bathroom either.

great episode btw. kate's a bad girl. i'm beginning to like bad girls. ;)

MacDawg

Jan 6, 2005, 04:06 PM

great episode btw. kate's a bad girl. i'm beginning to like bad girls. ;)

LOVE Kate... but she isn't as bad as she pretends to be methinks. We saw some of that tender side too. I think Evangeline Lilly has nothing but an upside as an actress. The other girl is cute, with great sex appeal, but she isn't a fully developed character like Kate is.

The island sinking isn't such a bad theory... and clearly there is something about the island that interacts with their minds... Locke walking, the polar bear/comic book, etc.

I had my doubts about the series, but I'm hooked. :rolleyes:

Woof, Woof - Dawg

emw

Jan 6, 2005, 04:55 PM

tv people don't use the bathroom either.
Unless it's on NYPD Blue...

great episode btw. kate's a bad girl. i'm beginning to like bad girls. ;)

Perhaps something to do with the swimming scene... ;) (avoids another squeaky clean comment - I'll let powermac666 do that for me)

Nermal

Jan 10, 2005, 03:40 AM

Yep, good episode, finally some backstory for Kate. I wonder what's going to happen regarding Sun listening in on the secret conversation.

Anyway, apparently next week's episode focusses on Shannon and Boone.

sarae

Jan 13, 2005, 01:53 PM

Anyway, apparently next week's episode focusses on Shannon and Boone.

I sure am glad they're only step-siblings now! Very, uh, informative and makes a bit more sense about why she's so snotty all the time.

Anyone else see Sawyer fighting the police when Boone was in the Sydney police station? I thought it was interesting how Boone almost saw Sawyer.. but didn't catch his face.

applekid

Jan 13, 2005, 04:43 PM

I sure am glad they're only step-siblings now! Very, uh, informative and makes a bit more sense about why she's so snotty all the time.

Anyone else see Sawyer fighting the police when Boone was in the Sydney police station? I thought it was interesting how Boone almost saw Sawyer.. but didn't catch his face.

Well, based on that whole thing about all of these characters are supposed to have some sort of underlying relationship, I was thinking maybe they all have a connecting back story. Just a thought.

Man, yesterday's episode was freaky. I suspected something was going on when there was no blood in the water right before they go to commercials. If you watch that little cut right before the commercial break where Boone is holding Shannon, you see there is no blood in the water from that angle.

Great episode for a great show.

rickvanr

Jan 13, 2005, 05:23 PM

haha yeah, I only saw the last half of the episode last night... and Boone and Shannon were getting it on, a little weird, I thought the whole sister/brother was a bogus story from the get go.. a little weird they were step siblings tho.. and Sawyer in the Sydney police station was awesome.. I had to go back and watch it again.

jrv3034

Jan 13, 2005, 05:29 PM

Yeah, great episode! Man, what the #@$%&! is that big monster thing?! And why didn't it eat Locke when it had the chance a few episodes back?

The whole step-siblings/lovers thing helps their bickering relationship make a lot of sense. Weird.

So, the island makes people see what they want? What they need? What they fear? A little of everything?

Cool show.

sarae

Jan 13, 2005, 05:35 PM

So, the island makes people see what they want? What they need? What they fear? A little of everything?

I thought the stuff that Locke put on Boone's head was what made him hallucinate. Kind of figured that it was all a dream, esp since Locke wanted Boone to get rid of his over-protectiveness.. certainly wouldn't put him in a situation to reinforce his big-brother feelings.

Doctor Q

Jan 13, 2005, 05:39 PM

Anyone else see Sawyer fighting the police when Boone was in the Sydney police station?How soon before we see a new flashback story about Sawyer as a young boy, hoarding plastic shovels and buckets in the sandbox and refusing to share unless somebody gives him their juice box?

MacDawg

Jan 13, 2005, 05:46 PM

I think the salve was just for infection... but the island (or something) makes you see things.

It will be interesting to find out how much Locke knows and how he knows it. We know he encountered the "thing" (monster, machine?) and he apparently was given some knowledge at that point, yet he still wants in the steel hatch, etc. He knows some things, but not everything.

Everybody has their own experiences to deal with... Jack with his dad (what's up with the empty coffin?), Boone with Shannon, Locke and his wheelchair. Strange though, some things are not real (Shannon's death), while others are, Locke walking. The polar bear was from the kids comic book, and looks like from the previews it may make another appearance, though I didn't get a good look.

How the island will deal with Kate and Sawyer's past will be interesting, as well as the others. The black lady still insists her husband is alive. We still have more to hear from the Koreans and the fellow with his son (as well as him with the Korean lady). Now Kate knows she speaks English too. I'm betting that the man knows English as well (Hurley even suggested it), and his wife doesn't know.

And what will we find out about the girl that was taken with the baby?
And what's under the hatch?
And where's the French woman now?

Aaaahhhhhh....
Too many story lines for me to keep up with!

Woof, Woof - Dawg

joepunk

Jan 13, 2005, 07:28 PM

Figured out that Boone's experience was a hallucination and Shannon was still alive.

Will have to watch out for the kids comic book scene for future reference as I don't remember seeing it.

All in all, Lost is one of my favoriet shows right now.

Nermal

Jan 14, 2005, 01:21 AM

I'm betting that the man knows English as well (Hurley even suggested it), and his wife doesn't know.

When Hurley was saying 'pee on my foot,' I'm sure that Jin clearly said 'No!' :eek:

virividox

Jan 14, 2005, 04:31 AM

good episode, i didnt see that twist coming at all. locke scares me hehe

yellow

Jan 14, 2005, 06:00 AM

Deefuzz

Jan 14, 2005, 09:23 AM

Anyone else see Sawyer fighting the police when Boone was in the Sydney police station? I thought it was interesting how Boone almost saw Sawyer.. but didn't catch his face.

Ok so that WAS Sawyer...when I said that people looked at me like I was crazy!

Great episode, through me for a loop!

I too think Jin knows english as well, it is only a matter of time before we find out for sure...Hurley was crackin' me up this episode.

Looking forward to next week!

jrv3034

Jan 14, 2005, 11:12 AM

When Hurley was saying 'pee on my foot,' I'm sure that Jin clearly said 'No!' :eek:

Yes, he did say "no". But I'm not sure that means he knows english. "No" and "yes" are probably the two english words most known throughout the world (next to "Mickey" and "Mouse"). I wouldn't be surprised at all if that's ALL the english Jin knows.

That was a funny scene, though! :D

MongoTheGeek

Jan 14, 2005, 02:20 PM

It was a hallucination brought on by the paste Locke put on the dude's head.

The Korean fellow will turn out to speak english, something he has hidden from his wife, for the same reasons she has hidden her ability to speak english from her husband. They will find out about each other and hug.

I saw it coming until they went away to a commercial then I began to think it might have actually real. Then again 2 TV shows have written off whole seasons as dreams and another wrote off the whole show.

I figure the Korean man does speak English but was hiding it from his wife because he was preparing to quit his job with her father and then move to America. Probably won't come out until the last episode or sometime season 2.

I figure Locke knows it all already. :) That guy rocks. I saw that producer was somewhat inspired by Watership Down and you can sort of see it. I have to read that book again. When Locke was just sitting there watching the ocean I got such an impression of Fiver just sitting and watching.

Of course the names are something to watch for. John Locke, the philosopher... Sawyer, the con man...

Doctor Q

Jan 14, 2005, 02:57 PM

I saw it coming until they went away to a commercial then I began to think it might have actually real. Then again 2 TV shows have written off whole seasons as dreams and another wrote off the whole show.Oooooh, is this a trivia test?

Hmmm..... On the show "Dallas", Bobby Ewing stepped out of the shower and his wife Pam discovered she had dreamt the whole season. And the final episode of "Newhart" had Bob waking up with Suzanne Pleshette, his wife on his former TV show, proving that he had dreamt the whole new series. Are those the ones you mean? What's the third one?

MongoTheGeek

Jan 14, 2005, 09:49 PM

Oooooh, is this a trivia test?

Hmmm..... On the show "Dallas", Bobby Ewing stepped out of the shower and his wife Pam discovered she had dreamt the whole season. And the final episode of "Newhart" had Bob waking up with Suzanne Pleshette, his wife on his former TV show, proving that he had dreamt the whole new series. Are those the ones you mean? What's the third one?

Married with Children. They flushed a season that featured Peggy and Marcy pregnant. Katy Segal had a miscarriage and out of respect for her feelings they called the whole season a dream. It was also the start of Bud as Grand Master B.

slightly

Jan 14, 2005, 10:07 PM

I can't get the feeling out of my head that they're making this series up as they go. It reminds me of an experiment on the BBC a few years back where ordinary viewers wrote in to suggest "what should happen next" to characters in a certain series, and each week, the writers obliged.

I had a nasty feeling for a while that they were going to bring in some awful religious storyline with Claire's baby turning out to be the Messiah, a la Tim LaHaye's appalling books.

Having said that, I do find it strangely compelling. I'm interested to see how they're going to explain away huge invisible monsters.

Chip NoVaMac

Jan 15, 2005, 12:28 AM

This show is starting to be a "train wreck" that I can't help but to stop and watch. I had high hopes for the series, but haven't seen anything to really be worth watching.

yet some here make it seem that i am truly missing something by not watching. In the end it is better than Medium or The Will.

maya

Jan 15, 2005, 12:53 AM

The polar bear was from the kids comic book....

Really, am I missing something. Where did you get this reference from? :confused:

I have been watching LOST since the first eps, maybe I missed this reference if it was so right after a commercial.

Now you have me LOST with this comment. :o

clayj

Jan 15, 2005, 01:02 AM

Really, am I missing something. Where did you get this reference from? :confused:

I have been watching LOST since the first eps, maybe I missed this reference if it was so right after a commercial.

Now you have me LOST with this comment. :oIn the Pilot episode (2nd hour), Walt's reading a comic book in Spanish, and on the pages a polar bear is seen. Almost right away, Sawyer and company encounter the polar bear in the jungle as they're heading toward higher ground, to see if they can pick up anything on the transceiver.

There are other examples in the show of characters "wishing" for something to happen shortly before it happens: Walt always rolls the dice that he needs when playing backgammon, Walt wants it to stop raining (so his dad Michael can go look for the dog) and it stops raining, Locke predicts that it's about to START raining and it does, etc. There's a theory that something on the island is manifesting the hopes, fears, etc. of those on the island.

maya

Jan 15, 2005, 01:10 AM

In the Pilot episode (2nd hour), Walt's reading a comic book in Spanish, and on the pages a polar bear is seen. Almost right away, Sawyer and company encounter the polar bear in the jungle as they're heading toward higher ground, to see if they can pick up anything on the transceiver.

There are other examples in the show of characters "wishing" for something to happen shortly before it happens: Walt always rolls the dice that he needs when playing backgammon, Walt wants it to stop raining (so his dad Michael can go look for the dog) and it stops raining, Locke predicts that it's about to START raining and it does, etc. There's a theory that something on the island is manifesting the hopes, fears, etc. of those on the island.

Wow thank you, I can't believe I missed that reference in regards to the polar bear. :o

That does explain as to why the pilot was pulled by "the thing". :confused:

I believe I will have to start watching the show more carefully, since I had a feeling what the under pinning of this show is about however am missing some of and I am not sure if I am even missing many references.

Time to watch it from esp 1. :) <-- this show is addicting. :)

clayj

Jan 15, 2005, 01:16 AM

Wow thank you, I can't believe I missed that reference in regards to the polar bear. :o

That does explain as to why the pilot was pulled by "the thing". :confused:

I believe I will have to start watching the show more carefully, since I had a feeling what the under pinning of this show is about however am missing some of and I am not sure if I am even missing many references.

Time to watch it from esp 1. :) <-- this show is addicting. :)Yeah, you need to watch carefully, as there are little clues sprinkled all over the place. It's shaping up to be quite a bit like Babylon 5, although it remains to be seen how long they can stretch this out.

As to "the thing": It killed the pilot. It DIDN'T kill Locke. Think about that. And think about the fact that Locke's legs started working the instant he arrived on the island. He's figuring out "how things work", moreso than anyone else, and this will make him a potent force for either Good or Evil as time progresses.

Chip NoVaMac

Jan 15, 2005, 01:30 AM

In the Pilot episode (2nd hour), ...

You hit on something that i think might make more sense for some of us. And that is for this show to be done in two hour segments. Sort of like a "super"mini series.

clayj

Jan 15, 2005, 01:34 AM

You hit on something that i think might make more sense for some of us. And that is for this show to be done in two hour segments. Sort of like a "super"mini series.Guess that'll be possible when the show's released on DVD. :)

The original pilot was only (!) 84 minutes in length, as an hour of network TV consists of 42 minutes of show and 18 minutes of commercials and promos... split 84 minutes into two hours and you get 42 minutes of show per hour.

Chip NoVaMac

Jan 15, 2005, 01:45 AM

Guess that'll be possible when the show's released on DVD. :)

The original pilot was only (!) 84 minutes in length, as an hour of network TV consists of 42 minutes of show and 18 minutes of commercials and promos... split 84 minutes into two hours and you get 42 minutes of show per hour.

In many ways I know this. I have bought at the local level, advertising. In some time spots you are looking at 10 to 13 minutes of ads.

The issue is that Lost may do better with a longer broadcast so that the continuity is not broken up as much.

clayj

Jan 15, 2005, 01:49 AM

In many ways I know this. I have bought at the local level, advertising. In some time spots you are looking at 10 to 13 minutes of ads.

The issue is that Lost may do better with a longer broadcast so that the continuity is not broken up as much.Agreed, but then you only get 11 or 13 weeks of shows, as opposed to 22 or 26, per season. And you tick off a lot of viewers who expect the show to be on at the same time each week. If you have a DVR, you could record the shows and then watch them all at once, I suppose. :) Or you could wait for the DVDs to come out... then you wouldn't have to skip past all of the commercials.

Chip NoVaMac

Jan 15, 2005, 01:53 AM

Agreed, but then you only get 11 or 13 weeks of shows, as opposed to 22 or 26, per season. And you tick off a lot of viewers who expect the show to be on at the same time each week. If you have a DVR, you could record the shows and then watch them all at once, I suppose. :) Or you could wait for the DVDs to come out... then you wouldn't have to skip past all of the commercials.

In this day and age one needs to think beyond the traditional "schedule". HBO has had great success in "shorter" runs.

Awimoway

Jan 15, 2005, 02:42 AM

Okay clearly I haven't been visiting MR enough. How did I miss this thread? I am a huge fan of Lost. I've been TiVo-ing it since the pilot. I watch it every weekend (I work weeknights) with the wife, and it's great. I think it has the most richly developed, interesting characters on network television. And I don't get offended by supernatural storylines.

In the Pilot episode (2nd hour), Walt's reading a comic book in Spanish, and on the pages a polar bear is seen. Almost right away, Sawyer and company encounter the polar bear in the jungle as they're heading toward higher ground, to see if they can pick up anything on the transceiver.

There are other examples in the show of characters "wishing" for something to happen shortly before it happens: Walt always rolls the dice that he needs when playing backgammon, Walt wants it to stop raining (so his dad Michael can go look for the dog) and it stops raining, Locke predicts that it's about to START raining and it does, etc. There's a theory that something on the island is manifesting the hopes, fears, etc. of those on the island.
This reminds me of something -- hopefully someone can confirm it for me. Early on, Locke tells Walt a secret. Do we ever find out what the secret is? I don't recall any scene in which someone says what it is. But clearly you've hit it on the nail. It explains why Walt was able to whip Hurley at backgammon, even though Hurley fancies himself a pro at it. Now the episode where Jack sees his father makes more sense. Interesting to note that the teaser for next week includes a scene with a polar bear -- and Walt.

A few other thoughts, having just read the whole thread:

* With respect to the tide suddenly rising higher than before... What a bunch of landlubbers you all are. I'm no mariner myself, but I believe tides are seasonal, higher at certain times of year than others. But of course, it probably has a mystical, deeper meaning than something so trivial. I frequently forget that they have only been on the island, supposedly, for about two or three weeks. Probably not enough to experience a new season.

Actually, my first thought was maybe the story had been rewritten slightly to account for the tsunami, and they were experiencing a low grade version of it way out in the Pacific. But obviously that's not it.

* Am I the only one deeply bothered by the fact that the rest of the survivors are just milling about the island doing trivial things while Claire is still in the jungle with that psycho doing God-only-knows-what with her and her baby? I can't believe they'd just give up like that. For the most part, I think the writing has been excellent, but this part doesn't add up for me.

* This is a pretty big island. Easily ten miles across, probably more. Islands that big and lush in the Pacific don't get so completely overlooked. Why is it virtually uninhabited? There would at least be a native tribe or something.

My theory has been that it's used for military purposes. Perhaps the weirdness is all part of a military experiment gone awry? That would explain the hatch. On the other hand, this week's episode with the bit about the compass being off, makes me wonder if it's more of a Bermuda Triangle type of anomaly, and the island could be in another dimension or time or something.

clayj

Jan 15, 2005, 12:22 PM

* With respect to the tide suddenly rising higher than before... What a bunch of landlubbers you all are. I'm no mariner myself, but I believe tides are seasonal, higher at certain times of year than others. But of course, it probably has a mystical, deeper meaning than something so trivial. I frequently forget that they have only been on the island, supposedly, for about two or three weeks. Probably not enough to experience a new season.

Actually, my first thought was maybe the story had been rewritten slightly to account for the tsunami, and they were experiencing a low grade version of it way out in the Pacific. But obviously that's not it.Actually, tides in that region of the Pacific Ocean (Fiji/Tahiti area) are the lowest anywhere on the planet... I believe this is because of being closer to the center of the ocean. Tahiti experiences virtually no tides at all. (Of course, this assumes that the island is actually near Fiji or Tahiti. Its actual location has not been established.)

* Am I the only one deeply bothered by the fact that the rest of the survivors are just milling about the island doing trivial things while Claire is still in the jungle with that psycho doing God-only-knows-what with her and her baby? I can't believe they'd just give up like that. For the most part, I think the writing has been excellent, but this part doesn't add up for me.As you say a little further on, it's a BIG island, and it's covered mostly in tropical rainforest. Trying to find someone who's been abducted, by someone who presumably knows the island very well, would be even worse than looking for a needle in a haystack. So it actually makes sense that they would relax their efforts to find Claire and Ethan Rom.

* This is a pretty big island. Easily ten miles across, probably more. Islands that big and lush in the Pacific don't get so completely overlooked. Why is it virtually uninhabited? There would at least be a native tribe or something.Again, you're assuming that the island is actually in the South Pacific. Maybe it's elsewhere, or elsewhen.

applekid

Jan 16, 2005, 02:00 PM

There are other examples in the show of characters "wishing" for something to happen shortly before it happens: Walt always rolls the dice that he needs when playing backgammon, Walt wants it to stop raining (so his dad Michael can go look for the dog) and it stops raining, Locke predicts that it's about to START raining and it does, etc. There's a theory that something on the island is manifesting the hopes, fears, etc. of those on the island.

I'm glad you pointed this out. People seem to be forgetting something Locke said to Charlie when they were digging through the wreckage in one episode where Charlie wanted his guitar.

Locke said something along the lines that you have to give (or maybe it was ask for) something to the island for something in return. Later, Locke points up to find Charlie's guitar stuck in the canopy of the forest.

So we have an island inhabited by insane/religious humans and some sort of crazy monster or alien, but it somehow gives you things.

Wyvernspirit

Jan 17, 2005, 10:29 AM

Locke said something along the lines that you have to give (or maybe it was ask for) something to the island for something in return. Later, Locke points up to find Charlie's guitar stuck in the canopy of the forest.

That is very interesting. I think that might be a key to the whole island.

Discuss... ;)

applekid

Jan 19, 2005, 08:33 PM

Walt is magical! This episode just proves it. I think it's pretty apparent now that the things Walt imagines happen.

I think the comic book may have foreshadowed some events for us.

And, discuss about Claire! WTF?! That next new episode better be here after next week...

The actress and actor that play Shannon and Boone said they are about 4 episodes ahead of what's being played as far as production goes, according to what they said on Loveline a couple of nights ago. 23 episodes.

Thomas Veil

Jan 20, 2005, 06:07 AM

Married with Children. They flushed a season that featured Peggy and Marcy pregnant. Katy Segal had a miscarriage and out of respect for her feelings they called the whole season a dream. It was also the start of Bud as Grand Master B.Ah, I think you're both forgetting St. Elsewhere, which strongly implied that the whole show was merely a fable being told to a little boy. The hospital itself existed in miniature, in a snow globe.

Wyvernspirit

Jan 20, 2005, 08:33 AM

Ah, I think you're both forgetting St. Elsewhere, which strongly implied that the whole show was merely a fable being told to a little boy. The hospital itself existed in miniature, in a snow globe.

That's Right, I completely forgot about that. I wouldn't be surprised if there are a few more out there.

MongoTheGeek

Jan 20, 2005, 11:30 AM

Ah, I think you're both forgetting St. Elsewhere, which strongly implied that the whole show was merely a fable being told to a little boy. The hospital itself existed in miniature, in a snow globe.

Thats right! The whole thing was a dream of one of the character's autistic son.

I guess at this point writing everything off as a dream has become a bit passe'.

The whole show is starting to remind me of an episode of star trek.

Doctor Q

Jan 20, 2005, 12:49 PM

Walt is magical! This episode just proves it. I think it's pretty apparent now that the things Walt imagines happen.Maybe he'll imagine a rescue plane showing up.

I predict that Claire will be dazed and confused, and recovering from delivery, not knowing what happened to her baby. She will have reoccurring dreams about it, with quick flashes showing a baby crying and other people around. As the dreams get more detailed, they will provide clues about where to go on the island, aided by Sayid's maps. Maybe it's time to rent "Rosemary's Baby" (or some "Gilligan's Island" episodes).

Who will win the last remaining deodorant sticks? That could be very important to the plot!

virividox

Jan 20, 2005, 12:53 PM

good episode!!! cant wait to figure out what happened to claire

emw

Jan 20, 2005, 02:23 PM

As always, it was good to get more information on another set of characters. The whole thing with Walt wasn't explorer too much, but still an interesting story line.

Another thing - have you ever seen his dog and the "monsters," whether polar bear or other, in the same place?? If the next episode has the dog with a cut we'll know!

Speaking of which - what's this with repeating an episode already?

Doctor Q

Jan 20, 2005, 02:55 PM

Another thing - have you ever seen his dog and the "monsters," whether polar bear or other, in the same place?? If the next episode has the dog with a cut we'll know!Come to think of it, we haven't seen Hurley and the polar bear at the same time either. And they both like meat.

Since both Walt and his dog seemed to hear something before they got separated, I don't think the dog morphed.

Could Walt have caused the plane crash in the first place?

MongoTheGeek

Jan 20, 2005, 04:20 PM

Could Walt have caused the plane crash in the first place?

I am kinda of afraid of that.

A lot of things are pointing to it all being caused by Walt.

The thing is the French woman acknowledges the polar bears, but there is evidence that they are caused by Walt and the comic book.

Would that mean that he caused the French woman? Was she formed from whole cloth or was she stranded in anticipation of the crash?

How long did they say she had been stranded?

Did Claire get kidnapped so that Walt wouldn't have to deal with a younger sibling?

Is Walt responsible for Locke walking? Did they meet before the crash? Perhaps waiting for the plane and did Locke regain or gain the ability to walk in response to a desire of Walt to have a hero around?

maya

Jan 20, 2005, 04:39 PM

clayj

Jan 20, 2005, 04:46 PM

Walt also see in the comic book an island that has a crystal dome on top of it and what seems to be some sort of castle/palace.

Walt could have caused the crash since he was hesitant to go along with his biological father in the first place. And when Walt gets angry "things" happen as stated by this adopted father.

Very interesting indeed, could this all be Walt's imagination while trying to read the Spanish comic book on the plane.

Was Claire found since Charlie wanted it to be so. Interesting indeed. :)I don't think we saw Walt reading the comic book on the plane... we first saw him reading it on the beach, after the plane crash.

And I don't think that Walt's the only one with abilities... the island may intensify everyone's abilities to some extent or another.

maya

Jan 20, 2005, 04:52 PM

I don't think we saw Walt reading the comic book on the plane... we first saw him reading it on the beach, after the plane crash.

And I don't think that Walt's the only one with abilities... the island may intensify everyone's abilities to some extent or another.

We do not know much about any character, we have not even seen Walt's flash back or past yet. We do not know this if he was or was not reading the comic on the place before the crash.

Yes, the island just amplify people abilities however, what makes these survivors so "special". That is the answer.

What is the "Black Rock" that the french woman was speaking of and why is it so important, in the comic there was an illustration of a "Black Rock", could this be what was in reference. We might not know since the comic book was thrown in the fire.

Dr. Dastardly

Jan 20, 2005, 06:08 PM

Doctor Q

Jan 20, 2005, 06:13 PM

And whats with a friggin rerun already?! :eek:Since next Wednesday is not a U.S. holiday (unless you start celebrating Groundhog Day a week early), I suspect that filming is not keeping far enough ahead, so they have to delay new broadcasts until they catch up, as they did with Alias last season.

emw

Jan 20, 2005, 10:36 PM

Did it seem to anyone else that Claire is no longer preggers? You only really see her for a couple of seconds and leaves and stuff are kinda blocking the view, but still seemed alot skinnier now.I think it's been mentioned before, but I'm pretty sure she's no longer pregnant. There was some speculation previously that she will not have any real recollection of having delivered the baby, but will get some sort of dream flashbacks.

rickvanr

Feb 9, 2005, 07:59 PM

Finally a new episode, and it did not disappoint! Sawyer helping out was a change hah.

PS, Jack's a champ

clayj

Feb 9, 2005, 08:08 PM

Oh, and Claire IS still pregnant.

Bibulous

Feb 9, 2005, 08:24 PM

But what is in the hatch?

emw

Feb 10, 2005, 02:07 PM

Doctor Q

Feb 10, 2005, 02:48 PM

I'm still interested in a couple of things:

1. How is it that Jack, who previously had the crap kicked out of him by Ethan (who is apparently stronger than he looks, judging by how he picked up Charlie), was able to single-handedly whip Ethan's butt so quickly?He had the element of surprise, he felt more powerful because he (for the first few seconds) had a gun, and he was so mad his adrenaline was up.

2. Now that the guns are out in the open, what are the ramifications? Previews for next week give us some indication, but I would think there would be some serious problems.I thought that at first, but then I realized that everyone but Sawyer would probably be willing to their gun back to Jack for safekeeping/hiding. And Sawyer already had one.

3. Was the Korean guy just trying to feel out if his wife knew English or what? It seemed odd that he was pressing her so much for information. It also would appear he doesn't speak English, but hard to tell still.Just a guess, but I think he's suspicious about her hanging around with the others, but still doesn't realize that she speaks English.

4. No real trauma from anyone that one of the people was killed. Oh, Scott's dead. Okay, let's play golf.Why wasn't everyone at the funeral? Did they keep it secret from the majority of the passengers?

MongoTheGeek

Feb 10, 2005, 03:27 PM

But what is in the hatch?

The whole island is a floating city like in the comic book. Thats the gateway to get inside.

3rdpath

Feb 12, 2005, 12:21 PM

finally got around to watching it...good episode.

did anyone else catch the humorous reference to " the office"?

rickvanr

Feb 12, 2005, 12:59 PM

Just a guess, but I think he's suspicious about her hanging around with the others, but still doesn't realize that she speaks English.

I'm almost positive he saw her talking to Michael in an earlier episode

evoluzione

Feb 13, 2005, 09:32 AM

finally got around to watching it...good episode.

did anyone else catch the humorous reference to " the office"?

paper company in Slough, i thought i heard it right, very clever, and subtle.

was a good episode, i'm really getting into it again after the break....shame i can't say the same for alias, am kinda idsappointed with that this season.

Doctor Q

Feb 17, 2005, 01:17 AM

Some background about the show's creation and casting:

Lloyd Braun, ABC Television Group chairman, liked J.J. Abrams' outline for a new show so much that he ordered the pilot made before the script was even written.

A number of parts were reshaped to match the actors they found in the mad rush to cast the show. For example, Jack's character, not the pilot, was originally slated to be killed by the unseen monster. Once they hired Matthew Fox, they decided to let Jack live and become a mainstay character.

Yunjin Kim auditioned for the part of Kate (which later went to Evangeline Lilly). She (Kim) got the part of Sun instead, because her audition gave J.J. the idea of having her and a newly added character, her husband (played by Daniel Dae Kim), speak only Korean as the show unfolded. Yunjin Kim didn't think much of the subservient wife character she was supposed to play, so J.J. let her in early on the secret we (but not her character's husband) now know about her character's past.

Finally, the part of Hurley was first envisioned as a redneck, but was changed to the lovable joking guy we have because that's how Jorge Garcia is in real life!

evoluzione

Feb 17, 2005, 07:22 AM

MongoTheGeek

Feb 17, 2005, 11:38 AM

very good episode last night. so we know what sawyer was hearing in the woods, the last words of the guy he (wrongly) shot. and sawyer and jack? linked through jack's dad...

great stuff, can't wait for next week!

I think that we are going to find that everyone is linked in somehow. Except for the dead red shirts.

applekid

Feb 17, 2005, 07:46 PM

I didn't understand that last bit with Sawyer asking about Jack's dad. What was that about? :confused:

clayj

Feb 17, 2005, 07:49 PM

I didn't understand that last bit with Sawyer asking about Jack's dad. What was that about? :confused:After Sawyer first met the man who he thought was responsible for his parents' deaths, he went to a bar in Sydney where he met a man who turned out to be Jack's father... of course, he had no idea who this man was until Jack made the same comment (to Sawyer) as his father did regarding the Red Sox. So now Sawyer knows something that Jack would want to know... that his father loved him and was proud of him, even though Jack ruined his father's career.

emw

Feb 17, 2005, 09:33 PM

I was pleased with last night's episode - some more good background on Sawyer, including a bit about why he is so "troubled". The link to Jack was a nice twist, although as MongoTheGeek points out, I'm sure that there are many more such links just waiting to be discovered.

Lacero

Feb 17, 2005, 09:49 PM

I think the creators outlined the entire season's plot before they even shot the first show. This really does give the series a continuity that is lacking in some other shows... aka Enterprise.

clayj

Feb 17, 2005, 09:55 PM

I think the creators outlined the entire season's plot before they even shot the first show. This really does give the series a continuity that is lacking in some other shows... aka Enterprise.Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!

Exactly. The secret to any truly good TV drama is to plot out the entire story in advance. Lost, Babylon 5, and other shows that have a complete story before one frame of footage is shot will always do better than shows that make it up as they go along (e.g., The X-Files).

emw

Feb 17, 2005, 10:17 PM

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!

Exactly. The secret to any truly good TV drama is to plot out the entire story in advance. Lost, Babylon 5, and other shows that have a complete story before one frame of footage is shot will always do better than shows that make it up as they go along (e.g., The X-Files).True, X-Files only made it, what, 9 seasons? Babylon 5 made it 5 seasons...

clayj

Feb 17, 2005, 10:21 PM

True, X-Files only made it, what, 9 seasons? Babylon 5 made it 5 seasons...True, but The X-Files became more and more incoherent as time passed... it's obvious that Chris Carter was performing without a net, and storylines that should have been wrapped up (the conspiracy, for example) were continued (supersoldiers? come on) well beyond their natural expiration date.

B5, on the other hand, was planned as a five-year story, and it ran five years. Only its constant fight for airtime (e.g., the question of who would air Season 5, if anyone) caused it problems (e.g., the premature conclusion of certain storylines before the end of Season 4).

Bibulous

Feb 17, 2005, 10:47 PM

Twin Peaks season one was near perfect, season two lost it's way...the movie was just disappointing. I like lost, but it would be better if someone important would die.

starcrossed

Feb 17, 2005, 11:46 PM

clayj

Feb 18, 2005, 12:11 AM

Could someone please explain to me the dialogue between Saywer and the man he killed. I wasn't sure if that man wasn't the man responsible for his parent's troubles that lead to their deaths and it was another guy, or that it was just a misunderstanding on the part of Sawyer and that man wasn't the bad person to his parent's that he thought to be. Please someone who picked up on this scene explain it to me cause its been bothering me trying understand their conversation.Basically, Hips (I think that was his name... Robert Patrick, aka the T-1000) knew of Sawyer's desire to kill the man who conned his parents and ultimately caused their death... so he led Sawyer to believe that the man in Australia was that man. In reality, though, he was just someone who owed Hips money and Hips used Sawyer to take him out. So Sawyer is carrying around a lot of guilt/remorse for killing the wrong man.

emw

Feb 23, 2005, 10:56 PM

rickvanr

Feb 24, 2005, 12:20 AM

virividox

Feb 24, 2005, 05:49 AM

does anyone knwo the name of the song hurley was listenig to when he got cut cuz the batteries ran out

evoluzione

Feb 24, 2005, 07:26 AM

yeah it was definitely Hurley on the TV in the Environment Secretary's house. My girlfriend spotted it so i rewound (love TiVo) and sure enough, there he was...the only character with no back story so far.

great show.

emw

Feb 24, 2005, 09:29 AM

...the only character with no back story so far.Yes, I am anxiously awaiting more information on Hurley. He's one of the more interesting characters, and I'd like to understand his background. I wonder if he is indeed somebody "important."

3rdpath

Feb 24, 2005, 10:18 AM

Anyone else notice Hurley on the TV when Jin went to the Environment Secretary's house the first time? It looked like some sort of news show and he was getting into a car. It was when he looks over at the guys daughter watching TV.

Hmmmm. Is Hurley someone important?

yep, i noticed it too...rewound a couple of times to make sure. it kinda looked like he was getting the media ambush the way he was getting into his car...also in one of the quick shots it looks like he's blocking the camera with his hand after he's inside the car. i'm going to rewatch it because the subtitles on the screen sure look like, although they're "korean", maybe they approximate english letters. my first impression was that it said " can you..."

and although i can appreciate a nice female figure as well as the next guy, the long bikini shots were just silly. looked like a SI cover shoot.

that said, i love this show.

clayj

Feb 24, 2005, 11:02 AM

Well, the one thing we can gather from Hurley appearing on TV is that he is not, as one theory posited, a manifestation of the island itself. He's real.

And I LOVED how Locke handled the whole "there are other people on this island" thing to try to unite everyone, while hiding who really burned the raft. But we learned what unites him and Walt... they both LIKE it on the island. No way does anyone get to escape now, except through death.

Doctor Q

Feb 24, 2005, 01:04 PM

clayj

Feb 24, 2005, 01:12 PM

Have we had a back story on Claire? I've lost track.Yeah... she got pregnant, her boyfriend left her, she went to see a psychic who at first wouldn't see her but then told her she had to raise her child herself, and then the psychic (apparenty armed with knowledge of what was to happen) tricked her into getting on a flight to LA so that she could give up the baby for adoption... but of course, he somehow knew the flight was going down and didn't tell her.

Lacero

Feb 24, 2005, 01:14 PM

What happened to the girl with asthma? Shouldn't she be dead by now?

3rdpath

Feb 24, 2005, 01:14 PM

Have we had a back story on Claire? I've lost track.

i don't think so.

btw, wasn't it interesting the way hurley and claire were posed identically at the end of the show...

edit: picture...anyone want to know the translation?

taeclee99

Feb 24, 2005, 01:16 PM

does anyone knwo the name of the song hurley was listenig to when he got cut cuz the batteries ran out

The song is "Delicate" By Damien Rice.

clayj

Feb 24, 2005, 01:16 PM

What happened to the girl with asthma? Shouldn't she be dead by now?That's Shannon. Sun found an herbal remedy for her asthma... just as she knew what to use to clean your teeth when you don't have a toothbrush.

emw

Feb 24, 2005, 02:02 PM

i don't think so.See above for the synopsis.

btw, wasn't it interesting the way hurley and claire were posed identically at the end of the show...Just because Hurley is a little large is no reason to compare him to a pregnant lady... ;)

edit: picture...anyone want to know the translation?Awesome grab! Did you get that directly from TiVo or how? I'd love to hear the translation (although you might want to make it in white text in case others don't).

virividox

Feb 24, 2005, 02:15 PM

The song is "Delicate" By Damien Rice.

thanks

emw

Feb 24, 2005, 02:24 PM

The song is "Delicate" By Damien Rice.Link (http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playlistId=2249511&selectedItemId=2249488) to the iTMS version. I think, I've never actually done a link from iTMS before...

rickvanr

Feb 24, 2005, 02:30 PM

I knew the singer sounded familiar... may I also recommend "the blowers daughter" and "cannonball"

3rdpath

Feb 24, 2005, 02:39 PM

Awesome grab! Did you get that directly from TiVo or how? I'd love to hear the translation (although you might want to make it in white text in case others don't).

i grabbed it from another site...had to scale it down quite a bit because of MR's size restrictions.

spoilerbasically the subtitles say " fortunate winner, los angeles, california"...and the voiceover says "lottery winner"...the next episode is titled "numbers"

emw

Feb 24, 2005, 02:50 PM

i grabbed it from another site...had to scale it down quite a bit because of MR's size restrictions.

spoiler
Nice. Thanks for the information, and for the screen grab.

starcrossed

Feb 24, 2005, 11:12 PM

Wow! Thanks for the translation. Its nice to finally get some back story on Hurley, hopefully we'll finally see more of Hurley's past next week, cause every week I think, man Hurley is probably the only main character who hasn't had a look into to their past.

Anyhow, did anyone else get a good laugh out of Hurley's CD player's batteries running out. Everytime I would see him with that CD player, I always wonder, they've been on the island for so many weeks and Hurley still manages to have battery power in that thing. And as I thinking that again on this episode at the end, the batteries finally give out. On a side note, I guess this is why in production they decided to Hurley a CD player and not an iPod! :D

applekid

Feb 25, 2005, 09:03 AM

i don't think so.

btw, wasn't it interesting the way hurley and claire were posed identically at the end of the show...

edit: picture...anyone want to know the translation?

I could translate the subtitles if the picture was a higher resolution. Can you get a grab of just the subtitle?

MacDawg

Feb 25, 2005, 09:26 AM

I could translate the subtitles if the picture was a higher resolution. Can you get a grab of just the subtitle?

3rdpath already provided the translation. Highlight the hidden white text after the word "spoiler".

Woof, Woof - Dawg

applekid

Feb 25, 2005, 08:56 PM

3rdpath already provided the translation. Highlight the hidden white text after the word "spoiler".

Woof, Woof - Dawg

I see. The story of Hurley unravels...

Doctor Q

Feb 28, 2005, 08:47 PM

Chip NoVaMac

Feb 28, 2005, 09:02 PM

They don't post the comic strips at the Sally Forth web site (http://www.kingfeatures.com/features/comics/sforth/about.htm) until 2 weeks after they appear in newspapers, so I've been waiting for today to pick up this one from February 14.

Love it! It fits so many of the shows that I am now in to, that one needs to "capture" every word to fully understand the full story....

clayj

Mar 2, 2005, 08:35 PM

Repost of original post text:

Wow, GREAT episode tonight. The magic numbers are "4 8 15 16 23 42"... they're engraved on the side of the hatch in the jungle. They were on the original long-wave transmission heard by Rousseau (what led her to the island in the first place) and Sam Toomey 16 years ago. Sam Toomey used them to win AU$50,000, but was convinced that the numbers were cursed as bad things began to happen to all those around him. His friend Leonard, who also heard the numbers, ended up in the looney bin. Hurley, who spent some time in the looney bin with Leonard, used them to win $80 million in the lottery... but Hurley subsequently began to suffer the effects of the "curse" attached to the numbers (his grandfather died, his sister-in-law left his brother for another woman, his mother broke her ankle, etc.).

It would seem that a goal now is to get to the black rock, site of the transmitter that Rousseau and her team found, to see if there's any idea who ORIGINALLY set it up. Someone from World War II, perhaps?

EDIT: MSNBC's Lost page pointed out something I missed... one of the companies Hurley bought after winning the lottery was a box company in Tustin. Locke used to work for a box company. Is Hurley Locke's boss, and neither of them realizes it? The list of off-island connections between the survivors (Sawyer-Jack, Hurley-Locke, etc.) keeps growing and growing.

Lacero

Mar 2, 2005, 08:57 PM

Hey, some people live in the PST time zone so it doesn't play for another 2 hours. As long as your post contains no spoilers, we'll be alright.

clayj

Mar 2, 2005, 09:14 PM

Hey, some people live in the PST time zone so it doesn't play for another 2 hours. As long as your post contains no spoilers, we'll be alright.Sorry 'bout that... forgot about the West Coast. I've yanked my text for now... will repost later on. You read NOTHING... there was no text... nothing to see here... move on...

rickvanr

Mar 2, 2005, 09:18 PM

the west coast thing - funny hah

as to the episode, I found it to very humourous, which was a welcomed change from the norm.

emw

Mar 2, 2005, 11:23 PM

Hey, some people live in the PST time zone so it doesn't play for another 2 hours. As long as your post contains no spoilers, we'll be alright.You know what this thread is about! Don't read it until you watch the episode! ;)

I feel sorry for the poor schmucks like me with kids that TiVo shows and don't watch them for days (except for tonight - I watched this one just now)! Loved it - nice to get some background on Hurley.

Doctor Q

Mar 3, 2005, 12:35 AM

Gee, I hope I never win the lottery!

Wait a minute, what am I saying!?!? This show is seriously warping us!

clayj

Mar 3, 2005, 12:45 AM

Gee, I hope I never win the lottery!

Wait a minute, what am I saying!?!? This show is seriously warping us!The trick is to never use a string of numbers that's repeatedly endlessly by a mental patient. Funny that "42" was one of the six numbers, though... :)

MongoTheGeek

Mar 3, 2005, 06:44 AM

The trick is to never use a string of numbers that's repeatedly endlessly by a mental patient. Funny that "42" was one of the six numbers, though... :)

I said to my wife that those were numbers I would play.

evoluzione

Mar 3, 2005, 08:20 AM

anyone come up with a pattern/formula for those numbers yet?

another great eepisode! :)

MongoTheGeek

Mar 3, 2005, 08:55 AM

anyone come up with a pattern/formula for those numbers yet?

another great eepisode! :)

Probably cast/crew birtdays with the exception of 42 which is well... 42

cpjakes

Mar 3, 2005, 09:17 AM

My girlfriend came up with a good thought about this show last night. We don't know any of the actors (with the exception of the LOTR character, who is so drastically different that it doesn't matter...). She was watching a morning show with the actors (who are still on the island...) and shut it off because she didn't want to have any connection to them.

LOST is not at all like watching Friends, there is no celebrity guest star like Bruce Willis that you can say "I remember him in Die Hard..." I don't know if that makes it more interesting to anyone else here, but it sure does to us.

cpjakes

And last night's episode was very good, the numbers are intriguing!