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Dammit Cubs
Apr 18, 2010, 10:59 PM
Wow. Penultimate is a really good app for drawing and taking notes like a pen. By far the most responsive of all the apps. I paid 3 bucks for it after reading the reviews but its well praised and well deserved.



HXGuy
Apr 18, 2010, 11:12 PM
Nice app, I just purchased it, works really well

California King
Apr 18, 2010, 11:22 PM
I thought about buying it, but decided not to (for now) since school notes pro does something similar. It definitely looks better than that app though. How would you compare it to that app?

Vatche
Apr 18, 2010, 11:23 PM
Greatest app ever so easy and simple to use. Not to mention able to email a single page or the whole album.

MikhailT
Apr 18, 2010, 11:25 PM
I thought about buying it, but decided not to (for now) since school notes pro does something similar. It definitely looks better than that app though. How would you compare it to that app?

While I haven't try out school notes pro, I have seen it. Penultimate is very pretty and very good for what it does but also very limited. You just have notebooks (no tags, no organization or anything like that), three type of papers(graph/lined/blank) and just one pen color. Nothing else. There's the ability to send a page as an image or the entire book as PDF. Nothing else.

So far, it's the most responsive note-taking app I have tested, excluding smartnotes and school notes pro.

paul191919
Apr 18, 2010, 11:39 PM
I too was considering to purchase this app. What are you guys using it for? Does it feel weird to use your finger to write?

Dammit Cubs
Apr 19, 2010, 12:07 AM
I actually use then tip of my nail to write combined with a little skin from the finger.

I have used them all
Doodle buddy (fast response)
Adobe ideas (great zooming in and out)
Student notes pro (best integration of multiple different ways to take notes)
Sketchpad HD

Pen Ultimate does the best job at writing. It's not even close. I can write equations, draw items and even the pen will slip a bit causing a trail when I a write.....like a pen should of this type.

Awesome app. All they need is zooming in and out

MikhailT
Apr 19, 2010, 12:23 AM
I too was considering to purchase this app. What are you guys using it for? Does it feel weird to use your finger to write?

I have a pogo sketch stylus, it works well with this app too. I can actually understand my handwriting even with my fingers in this app. It's pretty responsive to the point that I can write a sentence without stopping or looking at where I'm going. I probably will stop using the stylus and just use my fingers with this app.

Dammit Cubs
Apr 19, 2010, 12:26 AM
http://gallery.me.com/dammit_cubs/100119/Penultimate/web.png

http://gallery.me.com/dammit_cubs/100119/Doodle%20buddy/web.png

http://gallery.me.com/dammit_cubs/100119/Student%20notes%20pro/web.png

p-rice
Apr 19, 2010, 12:29 AM
I actually use then tip of my nail to write combined with a little skin from the finger.

Nice. That's exactly what I do as well. The technique works really great for this drawing webapp as well:

http://mrdoob.com/projects/harmony/#sketchy

Visit that site on your iPad.

imacdaddy
Apr 19, 2010, 01:25 AM
Each have its own merits.

I bought Penultimate because the writing looked the best. You can see how much smoother it is. I like the fact you can email the page or entire notebook as PDF. Now that Evernote supports email, I can email the note/notebook directly to Evernote or Posterous or self or...

I also like Student Notes Pro's feature for accessing wikipedia & google to copy stuff over to the note. But I don't like the writing as you can see. But the app is free.


http://gallery.me.com/dammit_cubs/100119/Penultimate/web.png

http://gallery.me.com/dammit_cubs/100119/Student%20notes%20pro/web.png

MikhailT
Apr 19, 2010, 01:43 AM
Guys, when posting the large screenshots, please edit it to use [TIMG] instead of [IMG].

I'm enjoying the app much more over time. I have contacted the dev, they said they'll be pushing out updates with features. I was worried that there might not be anymore to Penultimate but glad to see I was wrong.

HiFiGuy528
Apr 21, 2010, 09:38 AM
Which stylus works BEST with this app?

Fuchal
Apr 21, 2010, 09:45 AM
I grabbed a cheap $2 stylus off ebay to try this app out with. Regardless it works great with your finger as well. Very nice iWork style UI!

HiFiGuy528
Apr 21, 2010, 09:49 AM
Can someone provide feedback on which works better with this app, stylus or finger? I have the iPad app, but not the iPad, yet.

scrapple
Apr 21, 2010, 09:49 AM
yea, i got the app, and its nice for large note taking, but cmon, for taking notes in class, its useless, unless you have a stylus that can write small and good as a human can write, and I dont see this app doing it...

This app is good for sending yourself reminders or sending notes to people that are somewhat large...

yes, it might be the best in the store, but taking notes from lectures with this is impossible.... a pen and paper is probably 100x faster

jsbaugh
Apr 21, 2010, 09:54 AM
I thought about buying it, but decided not to (for now) since school notes pro does something similar. It definitely looks better than that app though. How would you compare it to that app?

I have both and Penultimate is a lot better for taking notes with your finger. I do like school notes because it does have more options.

gillybean
Apr 21, 2010, 09:57 AM
The line width is probably too big for taking school notes.

It's good for jotting notes to yourself with your finger though.

Bodhi395
Apr 21, 2010, 09:59 AM
I think I might buy this app. I like its simplicity, as opposed to some other note taking apps that look bloated with menus and features that just confuse things. I also like how people say its very responsive.

It must be doing well, since last night it suddenly was the number 1 iPad app in the app store.

FSUSem1noles
Apr 21, 2010, 10:25 AM
I love the app, mostly using it for notes to my self, like if I'm on the phone and have to jot stuff down.

Haven't tried using it in a meeting yet but am looking forward to trying it out just to see how it goes..

Since the stylus has to have a wider surface because of the touchscreen I can't see how it would be more efficient than just using good ol' paper and pen..

MikhailT
Apr 21, 2010, 01:54 PM
yea, i got the app, and its nice for large note taking, but cmon, for taking notes in class, its useless, unless you have a stylus that can write small and good as a human can write, and I dont see this app doing it...

This app is good for sending yourself reminders or sending notes to people that are somewhat large...

yes, it might be the best in the store, but taking notes from lectures with this is impossible.... a pen and paper is probably 100x faster

A pen and paper will remain the best detailed note taking solution for a long time. There's no electronic solution to this, the closest is a Wacom integrated PC tablet with Onenote running, that's what students would go for if they got the money, otherwise they'll just type it in or write it down on paper.

There'll be no application at all that'll be as good as the PC/Wacom tablet, not with an iPad. iPad is excellent for straight, short and simple note-taking and this application has the best handwriting style but short on features to make it more powerful.

gillybean
Apr 21, 2010, 02:08 PM
A pen and paper will remain the best detailed note taking solution for a long time. There's no electronic solution to this, the closest is a Wacom integrated PC tablet with Onenote running, that's what students would go for if they got the money, otherwise they'll just type it in or write it down on paper.

Well, one advantage that devices like the iPad have over pen & paper is that they can automatically transcribe notes using voice recognition (e.g. with the technology they use to let you read voicemails that people leave you).

If an app does this with the microphone and also lets you do easy markup on the transcription, I think that'd be much better than pen & paper.

quangdiggity
Apr 21, 2010, 02:09 PM
Other than looking good, I donít understand how this app is really useful? From all the screenshots Iíve seen, it looks you can only fit about a sentence of writing on the page, or 1 ~ 2 equations. The best usage I can figure out is that this is a glitzier alternative to a post-it note.

stagi
Apr 21, 2010, 02:27 PM
I bought it but don't find it that useful, it's cool for a minute. But would like some more functionality

ipoddin
Apr 21, 2010, 02:49 PM
Other than looking good, I donít understand how this app is really useful? From all the screenshots Iíve seen, it looks you can only fit about a sentence of writing on the page, or 1 ~ 2 equations. The best usage I can figure out is that this is a glitzier alternative to a post-it note.

yes, agreed. You can't fit a lot of text on it. Regardless, I like this better than School Notes Pro primarily because you can have one notebook for an entire subject. I'm using it at work for meeting notes. I can have one notebook for each projects. The thing I don't like about SNP is writing is horrible and how it organizes notes. It's a new note for each meeting in my case. It'll get unwieldy to organize. With Penultimate, all are organized in a notebook, as you would typically expect.

AJsAWiz
Apr 21, 2010, 07:26 PM
I think I might buy this app. I like its simplicity, as opposed to some other note taking apps that look bloated with menus and features that just confuse things. I also like how people say its very responsive.

It must be doing well, since last night it suddenly was the number 1 iPad app in the app store.

After seeing positive comments about Penultimate here I bought it.
I'm very happy with my purchase :)

Dammit Cubs
Apr 21, 2010, 08:05 PM
I grabbed a cheap $2 stylus off ebay to try this app out with. Regardless it works great with your finger as well. Very nice iWork style UI!

wait i thought stylus's don't work on iphones and ipads?

how thick is the stylus.

CrAkD
Apr 21, 2010, 08:11 PM
i dont see the point in these types of apps. why not just use the regular notes app and just type stuff in.

Badandy
Apr 21, 2010, 08:25 PM
i dont see the point in these types of apps. why not just use the regular notes app and just type stuff in.

So you can draw...

MikhailT
Apr 21, 2010, 08:41 PM
i dont see the point in these types of apps. why not just use the regular notes app and just type stuff in.

Show me how to type a diagram/equation/chart/..../lolcatz in Notes?

Dammit Cubs
Apr 21, 2010, 09:12 PM
i dont see the point in these types of apps. why not just use the regular notes app and just type stuff in.

Because for those 10 seconds or less of using this app before I never use it again....I'm Free.

HappyDude20
Apr 22, 2010, 12:42 AM
Because for those 10 seconds or less of using this app before I never use it again....I'm Free.

lmao.

Where's that from?

You're quoting something/someone...

Edit: Fast/Furious!

Zepaw
Apr 22, 2010, 12:44 AM
Got me to buy it a couple days ago. #1 paid App and 2nd highest grossing, what an influential thread this was! :p

Dammit Cubs
Apr 22, 2010, 01:20 AM
So I picked up a Pogo Sketch Stylus at the apple store....and *cough* bluetooth wireless keyboard.

But I wanted to show you guys some of the differences of using the Pogo Sketch and your finger.

This is with Pogo Pen
http://gallery.me.com/dammit_cubs/100119/Pogo%20Stylus%20on%20PenUltimate/web.png

http://gallery.me.com/dammit_cubs/100119/Finger%20Test%20on%20Pen%20Ultimate/web.png

Finger Comparison
http://gallery.me.com/dammit_cubs/100119/Finger%20Test%20with%20Pen%20Ultimate.png?derivative=medium&source=web.png

Drawing Test with Pogo
http://gallery.me.com/dammit_cubs/100119/Pogo%20Drawing%20on%20Pen%20Ultimate.png?derivative=medium&source=web.png

Drawing Test with Finger
http://gallery.me.com/dammit_cubs/100119/Finger%20Drawing%20with%20Pen%20Ultimate/web.png

Disclaimer
http://gallery.me.com/dammit_cubs/100119/note%20about%20my%20drawings/web.png?ver=12719162500001

HXGuy
Apr 22, 2010, 01:32 AM
Haha nice! You did a pretty good job with writing with your finger but it looks like you can't fit as much on the page.

How much did you pay at the Apple store? I was thinking about buying one there but ended up getting one on eBay for $11.95 shipped. Figured since I don't get my 3G iPad until next Friday anyway, what's the rush. I could have used it with my wife's WiFi iPad but I guess I'd rather save a few bucks. :p

Dammit Cubs
Apr 22, 2010, 01:42 AM
Haha nice! You did a pretty good job with writing with your finger but it looks like you can't fit as much on the page.

How much did you pay at the Apple store? I was thinking about buying one there but ended up getting one on eBay for $11.95 shipped. Figured since I don't get my 3G iPad until next Friday anyway, what's the rush. I could have used it with my wife's WiFi iPad but I guess I'd rather save a few bucks. :p

its a little bit expensive at the store. it was 15 dollars and they don't even have it on display. I only knew about it because I search Pogo Stylus on Macrumors forums and came across some people saying Apple has them in the back for sale but they don't announce it to the public.

WTF?

Zepaw
Apr 22, 2010, 01:54 AM
its a little bit expensive at the store. it was 15 dollars and they don't even have it on display. I only knew about it because I search Pogo Stylus on Macrumors forums and came across some people saying Apple has them in the back for sale but they don't announce it to the public.

WTF?

How strange. I may have to try that as well.

Badandy
Apr 22, 2010, 02:32 AM
Do you think using a program like penultimate with a Pogo Stylus is a good substitute for a notebook and pen in class, or is it too awkward to write without resting your wrist down on the iPad?

HappyDude20
Apr 22, 2010, 02:42 AM
Do you think using a program like penultimate with a Pogo Stylus is a good substitute for a notebook and pen in class, or is it too awkward to write without resting your wrist down on the iPad?

I wouldn't use it in class. Not until i see others. It just seems kinda pompous to use an ipad in class; least at mine. I like the app, but feel there is room for numerous updates and improvements. For $3 its not bad, but not great.

Dammit Cubs
Apr 22, 2010, 03:21 AM
Do you think using a program like penultimate with a Pogo Stylus is a good substitute for a notebook and pen in class, or is it too awkward to write without resting your wrist down on the iPad?

I think its good for writing small notes like a post it or describing something by diagram. It seems to work out much better if you make everything bigger. But it doesn't look effective for note taking in class. Especially when you have to write a lot so fast.

There really isn't an app that is out now that takes very good notes. I think pen ultimate needs a pinch system like adobe ideas so I can control the accuracy of my writing. Student notes pro is pretty good but I would be thinking of pairing it with a Bluetooth keyboard and use the mic icon to record lectures.

SteveWTW
Apr 22, 2010, 04:27 AM
I have a question for those who have tried Penultimate with a stylus. What happens when you rest your palm on the iPad when you are writing at the top of a page. Does it not get confused?

tdream
Apr 22, 2010, 07:06 AM
Cool!

Post more notes guys! I enjoy looking at them.

HiFiGuy528
Apr 22, 2010, 08:19 AM
Dammit Cubs,

Thank you for the screen shots. Looks like the stylus is more accurate than the finger. Would you say the stylus wins in performance and long term use? What happens when you rest your hand on the screen while writing with the stylus?

3goldens
Apr 22, 2010, 08:39 AM
I think the program is limited and design wise boring, it has no features and one can onlywrite in turd brown. No color what so ever, it does not remember settings, always defaulting to the graph paper. No choice of width for ones writing style.

I bought on the positive recomendations I saw, and boy was I ever a sucker!

I would not recommend running out and buying all these programs in the beginning days and just hold back to see how thngs develop in the coming weeksn and months. Unless of course you like contributing to these developers who are just churning out programs that are deficient in almost every way!

OneMorePlease
Apr 22, 2010, 09:06 AM
I have a question for those who have tried Penultimate with a stylus. What happens when you rest your palm on the iPad when you are writing at the top of a page. Does it not get confused?

Yeah, when using a Pogo stylus if you rest your hand or wrist on the screen the stylus won't work and you'll wind up with images where your hand was. Bummer....:(

ipoddin
Apr 22, 2010, 12:15 PM
So I picked up a Pogo Sketch Stylus at the apple store....and *cough* bluetooth wireless keyboard.

But I wanted to show you guys some of the differences of using the Pogo Sketch and your finger.


So which do you prefer? Stylus, Sketch, or finger?

weenie
Apr 22, 2010, 12:28 PM
...I bought on the positive recomendations I saw, and boy was I ever a sucker!...
I did too, but I am not 100% disappointed as I could make some uses out of the app (i.e. quick sketch/note while in meeting, when can't find paper/pen urgently, jot down quick ideas, etc).

After only 2 days of use, it crashed several times on me so not happy.

PaperDesk was released today to compete against Penultimate. It has most of the features that people are complaining that Penultimate doesn't have. However, the freehand writing is not on-par with Penultimate - will need lots of work on that department.

Either Penultimate improves and implement additional features, or competition will take over soon IMHO.

Dammit Cubs
Apr 22, 2010, 01:01 PM
So which do you prefer? Stylus, Sketch, or finger?

They didn't have the Pogo Stylus. Only Sketch.

One reviewer online said the Stylus is more responsive than that Sketch. I hope someone else can answer that question.

and for people who don't like pen ultimate, its about potential I'm raving. This program NEEDS alot of stuff but the accuracy that you write in is UNMATCHED. Shows alot of potential. I would keep this one.

Unprocessed1
Apr 22, 2010, 01:27 PM
They didn't have the Pogo Stylus. Only Sketch.

One reviewer online said the Stylus is more responsive than that Sketch. I hope someone else can answer that question.

and for people who don't like pen ultimate, its about potential I'm raving. This program NEEDS alot of stuff but the accuracy that you write in is UNMATCHED. Shows alot of potential. I would keep this one.

I have the sketch and it's ok but not great. I'd like to hear the difference (if any) between the stylus and sketch.

MikhailT
Apr 22, 2010, 04:00 PM
I have a question for those who have tried Penultimate with a stylus. What happens when you rest your palm on the iPad when you are writing at the top of a page. Does it not get confused?

It'll draw where your palms are as well. You have to be careful not to put your hands on the iPad.

Dammit Cubs
Apr 22, 2010, 04:26 PM
It'll draw where your palms are as well. You have to be careful not to put your hands on the iPad.

Doodle buddy can handle multitouch writing. as in you can use up to 3 fingers to draw. So it is possible

The catch will be the developers need to make it so the first point of contact which is your palm is not the pen and then the second point of contact is recognized as the pen.

it won't be easy. Can I wear special gloves?

jsbaugh
Apr 22, 2010, 04:55 PM
Im using a Pogo stylus with Penultimate and it works well. I can write pretty small and clear. It would work for taking notes in a class.

jsbaugh
Apr 22, 2010, 04:59 PM
Yeah, when using a Pogo stylus if you rest your hand or wrist on the screen the stylus won't work and you'll wind up with images where your hand was. Bummer....:(

Not true. I use a pogo stylus and rest my hand on the screen and write at the same time. You do get some marks where your hand was but you can use the eraser for that.

weenie
Apr 22, 2010, 05:20 PM
Not true. I use a pogo stylus and rest my hand on the screen and write at the same time. You do get some marks where your hand was but you can use the eraser for that.
I am guessing that, if you want to, you could put a piece of paper on the screen where your hand rests. Then slide it down as you write (?)

I am reading the discussion about using the pen with interest as I would like to write smaller and more per page.

jsbaugh
Apr 22, 2010, 06:51 PM
I am guessing that, if you want to, you could put a piece of paper on the screen where your hand rests. Then slide it down as you write (?)

I am reading the discussion about using the pen with interest as I would like to write smaller and more per page.

The paper idea is a good one. I will have to try that. Using a stylus I can write in between the lines in penultimate. I could easily take a lot of notes without a problem.

xraydoc
Apr 22, 2010, 10:24 PM
Not true. I use a pogo stylus and rest my hand on the screen and write at the same time. You do get some marks where your hand was but you can use the eraser for that.

Hmmm. Doesn't work for me, either, when my wrist touches the screen.

Dammit Cubs
Apr 22, 2010, 10:25 PM
Hmmm. Doesn't work for me, either, when my wrist touches the screen.

yeah it doesnt work for me either.

BigCanoe
Apr 23, 2010, 07:02 AM
Or this

http://www.smudgeguard.com/