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zimv20
Sep 23, 2004, 01:48 AM
link (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/23/politics/23tax.html?hp)


WASHINGTON, Sept. 22 - Putting aside efforts to control the federal deficit before the elections, Republican and Democratic leaders agreed Wednesday to extend $145 billion worth of tax cuts sought by President Bush without trying to pay for them.

At a House-Senate conference committee, Democratic lawmakers abandoned efforts to pay for the measures by either imposing a surcharge on wealthy families or closing corporate tax shelters.

"I wish we could pay for them, but this is a political problem and we have people up for re-election,'' said Representative Charles B. Rangel of New York, the senior Democrat on the House Ways and Means Committee. "If you have to explain that you voted for these tax cuts because they benefit the middle class and against them because of the deficit, you've got a problem.''

Fearful of being attacked as supporters of higher taxes, Democrats said they would go along with an unpaid five-year extension of the $1,000 child tax credit; a four-year extension of tax breaks intended to reduce the so-called marriage penalty on two-income families; and a six-year extension of a provision that allowed more people to qualify for the lowest tax rate of 10 percent.

Even as they pushed for the cuts that will add to the federal budget deficit, House Republican lawmakers said Wednesday that they hoped to have a vote soon on a constitutional amendment that would require the government to balance the budget by 2010, except if the country is at war.

That proposed amendment has no chance of becoming law, but it would conflict with even the Bush administration's rosiest goals for reducing the deficit, which is expected to hit $420 billion this year, a record. Mr. Bush has promised only to cut the deficit in half by 2009.

Approval of the tax cut package is a significant victory for Mr. Bush, who champions the extension of the cuts at every campaign stop but whose wishes had been thwarted by Democrats and a handful of Republican moderates in the Senate.

As recently as July, the moderates demanded that such tax cuts be paid for either with budget cuts or with higher taxes in other areas. By teaming up with Democrats, the Republican moderates prevented their own party leaders and the Bush administration from getting their way.

But with the election nearing, Congressional Democrats said they would not let themselves be branded as supporters of tax increases, which would occur if the expiring provisions were not renewed.

Senator John Kerry, their party's presidential nominee, has said he supports extension of the tax reductions, though he would roll back Mr. Bush's tax cuts for the top 2 percent of income earners, families with annual incomes above $200,000.

Senator Tom Daschle of South Dakota, the Senate Democratic leader, announced this week that he would support a five-year extension of the cuts even if they were not paid for.

With Democrats capitulating to the Republican majorities in both the House and Senate, the handful of Republican holdouts have quietly surrendered as well.

The Republican rebels - Senators John McCain of Arizona, Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island and Olympia J. Snowe and Susan Collins of Maine - infuriated Mr. Bush and many Republican leaders. But their ability to block action evaporated without the votes of Democrats.

The result of the reversal on the part of the Democrats and the Republican moderates is likely to be a tax measure that will last longer and increase federal deficits more than a two-year extension that Republican Senate leaders offered this summer. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office has estimated that debt will climb by $2.3 trillion over the next 10 years, and that making all Mr. Bush's tax cuts permanent would cost an additional $1.9 trillion by the end of 2014.

In the conference committee, House and Senate Republicans added about $13 billion worth of business tax breaks, the biggest of which was a renewal of the investment tax credit for research and development.

House Republican conferees also rejected a proposed amendment by Senator Blanche Lincoln, Democrat of Arkansas, that would expand the number of poor families eligible for a refundable child tax credit. That measure would have cost $7 billion over 10 years.

According to studies by Democrats on the Joint Economic Committee, four million low-income families will have reduced benefits from the child tax credit if the law is unchanged.

"These are working people we are trying to help," Senator Lincoln said, adding, "The higher-income taxpayers get enormous benefits from the tax code."

At issue in the case of the child tax credit was the extent to which it should be made available as a refundable payment to low-income families that have no federal tax liability.

To save money in last year's tax bill, Republican lawmakers decided to offer a refundable tax credit to families that earn at least $10,000. But that still left many poor families ineligible, and those numbers would increase because the current law raises the minimum income threshold each year in line with inflation.

"The tax credit is for taxpayers,'' said Senator Don Nickles, Republican of Oklahoma. "If you want to change the welfare system, then change the welfare system.''



amnesiac1984
Sep 23, 2004, 03:43 AM
"I wish we could pay for them, but this is a political problem and we have people up for re-election,''

this just says to me that the system doesn't work and politicians really have got their priorities wrong.

wwworry
Sep 23, 2004, 08:45 AM
If our political dialog were able to extend beyond 15 seconds then there is no way we would have this sort of thing. Tell people this extention means more debt that we have to pay interest on. Tell them it will mean cuts in specific services. In short, tell them the truth.

It's so cynical that these people are mortaging our future because they are too afraid to tell people the truth and too afraid to lose their job. Some other liar will come along and spin responsibility into hatred.

zimv20
Sep 23, 2004, 11:36 AM
sad also is:
- allowing a tax cut sunset to expire is equal to raising taxes
- raising a tax, even when needed, has become political death

shame on the GOP for setting that agenda and shame on the voters for being so single-minded.

wordmunger
Sep 23, 2004, 12:01 PM
I read somewhere (can't remember where) that the real neocon agenda is to cut taxes so sharply that eventually we'd have no choice but to cut government programs, to DRASTICALLY trim down the size of government. HUGE cuts in everything from Social Security to Medicare to highways to schools, with the idea of eventually privatizing almost everything.

zimv20
Sep 23, 2004, 12:04 PM
I read somewhere (can't remember where) that the real neocon agenda is to cut taxes so sharply that eventually we'd have no choice but to cut government programs, to DRASTICALLY trim down the size of government. HUGE cuts in everything from Social Security to Medicare to highways to schools, with the idea of eventually privatizing almost everything.
because it's political suicide to take away people's social program, the agenda, i believe, is indeed to starve them of funding.

i'm not sure the strategy is limited to neocons.

skunk
Sep 23, 2004, 02:17 PM
"Even as they pushed for the cuts that will add to the federal budget deficit, House Republican lawmakers said Wednesday that they hoped to have a vote soon on a constitutional amendment that would require the government to balance the budget by 2010, except if the country is at war."
Hmmm. What a good reason to have a perpetual, unwinnable war.

stubeeef
Sep 23, 2004, 02:36 PM
It sounds like most of these people are bowing to there electorate. Wow imagine that, having to vote for something cause the people at home want it, not because you know better.
So these pro-tax politicans (d & r) will have to follow their own thought, or that of the ones who elected them (which is why they are there to begin with). If they truely believe they need to vote for higher taxes they should run on that platform next go'round.

pseudobrit
Sep 23, 2004, 04:06 PM
We have a new category of politician here. Instead of the traditional "tax & spend liberal" we now have the "spend and spend conservative."

At least the former is fiscally responsible in their profligacy.

wwworry
Sep 23, 2004, 07:55 PM
there are countries that tax a lot and get great services like health care, free college educations and subsidized housing

there are countries that do not tax very much and the services are poor

a lot of both of these countries are deficit free

then there is the US that taxes a lot and the services are poor. That allows us to be a "beacon of freedom" because our military kicks ass. :confused:

takao
Sep 24, 2004, 05:21 AM
That allows us to be a "beacon of freedom" because our military kicks ass. :confused:

i misread that as "bacon of freedom" ... doh ... i should eat something before reading on macrumours...

skunk
Sep 24, 2004, 06:01 PM
Is that to accompany the "Freedom Fries"?