Photo Editing on Mac Pro

[kxfrog]

Hi,
I have recently started photography and picked up a canon 500d dlsr. I am shooting in 15MP Raws which tend to be around 23MB each. I am editing about 100-200 a week of these in photoshop on my Mac Pro Quad 2.66ghz with 2 640GB drives in raid 0 and a 1TB backup disk. I only have 3GB ram and can't really afford to upgrade it yet, but when I am editing it seems laggy as hell! Also my iPhoto library is almost 100GB and takes about 10 years for each photo to load, is there any way to speed up my system or a better way to edit or organise my photos than Photoshop CS4 and iPhoto? Thanks

Sorry about the long post!!!:apple::apple:

[nanofrog]

Switch to CS5 and add more memory (it can take advantage of it).

[kxfrog]

Cs5 is really expensive I only upgrade to cs4 about 9 months ago I don't really want to upgrade again until cs6. Any other options. I am going to be adding 8gb or 12gb of ram soon. HOPEFULLY. should I get 8gb or 12gb? 2gb or 4gb dimms for the 8gb?

[slater-k]

I am going to be adding 8gb or 12gb of ram soon.

I think that's what you should do then ... you really need more RAM than that i would say
HTH

[nanofrog]

I am going to be adding 8gb or 12gb of ram soon.
Add the RAM then, and take a look into setting it up as RAM disks (some users have indicated this as a means of speeding things up).

As per the how to add the memory, you won't benefit from triple channel mode, so stuff in as much as you can at the lowest cost (max @ 16GB, using 4GB DIMM's in each slot).

Just make sure if you mix memory, that it's all the same type (UDIMM or RDIMM). And in the case of the 4GB sticks, be extra careful, as it may not even be compatible with smaller capacity DIMM's of the same type due to the inclusion of thermal sensors, such as what's provided by OWC last I checked.

[MacBird]

If you won't upgrade to CS5 (which is 64bit) then Photoshop CS4 (32bit) can only use 4GB of memory, even if you have 8 or 12. Are you eligible for a higher ed discount? The full CS5 Extended version is available for $179 at some places. If not, the upgrade will probably be around $200. I agree with the other posters that 3GB RAM is too little. Do you use a separate HDD for the scratch disk? This might help, too. For now you should probably close all other programs while processing your RAW files.

[alphaod]

You need more RAM; if you can afford it, consider getting 12GB of RAM and then setting up a RAM disk to use as scratch whenever you start up Photoshop. That's what I do right now.

Of course with CS5, it will be 64-bit, so that's not longer required.

If not, the upgrade will probably be around $200..

Upgrade to CS5 is $350 plus tax.

[nanofrog]

If you won't upgrade to CS5 then Photoshop can only use 4GB of memory, even if you have 8 or 12. Are you eligible for a higher ed discount? The full CS5 Extended version is available for $179 at some places. If not, the upgrade will probably be around $200. I agree with the other posters that 3GB RAM is too little. Do you use a separate HDD for the scratch disk? This might help, too.
I'm under the impression that RAM disks have been sucessfully used to get past the 4GB limit in CS4, and might be worth a shot (there's a tutorial somewhere here in MR on how to create them).

But like you, if there's a way to get CS5, that would be the better way to go, and for more than just the exceeding the RAM limitation in CS4 (CS5 is optimized for Intel processors as well as 64bit for improved performance).

[nanofrog]

You need more RAM; if you can afford it, consider getting 12GB of RAM and then setting up a RAM disk to use as scratch whenever you start up Photoshop. That's what I do right now.

Of course with CS5, it will be 64-bit, so that's not longer required.



Upgrade to CS5 is $350 plus tax.
I seem to recall some counter arguments, but by my way of thinking, RAM disks would solve the problem with CS4.

But if the Upgrade price is only $350, it seems worth it to get the improved performance (beyond the RAM capabilities resulting from 64bit code, given it's supposed to be optimized for the Intel processors only).

[lssmit02]

Lloyd Chambers has a site (http://macperformanceguide.com/index.html) dedicated to these kinds of questions. He's big on getting enough ram, and raid scratch drives.

Disclaimer: He markets upgrades to macs via Other World Computing on his site.

[MacBird]

I'm under the impression that RAM disks have been sucessfully used to get past the 4GB limit in CS4, and might be worth a shot (there's a tutorial somewhere here in MR on how to create them).



This might well work, I have never tried this. Since the OP's computer has only 3GB, I would guess it might not help too much without upgrading RAM. As a compromise, maybe he should get 8GB altogether and CS5 if that is in the budget.

[pcconvert]

Hi,
I have recently started photography and picked up a canon 500d dlsr. I am shooting in 15MP Raws which tend to be around 23MB each. I am editing about 100-200 a week of these in photoshop on my Mac Pro Quad 2.66ghz with 2 640GB drives in raid 0 and a 1TB backup disk. I only have 3GB ram and can't really afford to upgrade it yet, but when I am editing it seems laggy as hell! Also my iPhoto library is almost 100GB and takes about 10 years for each photo to load, is there any way to speed up my system or a better way to edit or organise my photos than Photoshop CS4 and iPhoto? Thanks

Sorry about the long post!!!:apple::apple:

I edit RAW from Panny GH1 (15MBfiles - the size doesn't matter really) on MBP17 with 2.53 dual core, 160GB Intel SSD, 8800GT graphics and 4GBRAM. My library has currently over 26000 images. You don't say what graphics card you have. I assume the basic. Here is what you should do, steps are in the order of importance:

1a. Switch from iPhoto to Lightroom
1b. Switch from iPhoto to Aperture.
For Aperture consider better graphics in the future to gain extra speed. It benefits from good graphics for rendering previews and large screen book editing. (Dunno about Lightroom yet.)

2. Consider SSD. This speeds up things considerably. Imagine whenever you edit or pull up the raw file from storage where would be the bottleneck?...

3. more RAM. Aperture sucks what it can especially when creating books. For basic editing with no other RAM sucking apps 3GB should be ok as long as you do steps 1 and 2.

Have fun.

[Loa]

Hello,

As has been discussed ad nauseam a few months back, even PS4 can use more than 3GB of RAM on OS X (or more precisely: through OS X).

Going from 3GB to 8GB has made a world of difference for me in PS4. I've yet to see any benefits of using RAM disks as scratch disks.

OS X is very creative when it comes to handling RAM that apps can't directly use themselves. Give it a try before believing a theoretical limit.

Loa

[akdj]

I think PCConvert hit the nail on the head...

You need a photo "organizing" program in front of your editor.

Use Bridge (If you're using Adobe) or Aperture. These are setup to organize, group, and file your shots...then use Photoshop/LR/or Aperture for your editing and post production work.

Get rid of iPhoto...You've definitely FAR exceeded what it's meant to do and be with a +100gig library...>Transfer that to Bridge and proceed from there.

Good Luck

Jer

[kxfrog]

Thanks for all the replys guys I will consider an upgrade to cs5 as I can just buy cs5 Photoshop student edition and keep all my other cs4 apps

[kxfrog]

If I were to get qn ssd as a boot drive then what would I do with the other three bays for optimum performance, should I place 3 drives in raid 0 and store everything on them? Or should I put 2 drives in raid 0 for scratch disk and files I'm working on and get a 1tb drive for all my files, documents music etc...

[Loa]

Hello,

You haven't said anything about ram in your last 2 posts, but as many have said: nothing will speed up your current mac more than extra RAM. Nothing.

Before you buy *anything* else, get your RAM up to 8GB.

Getting 8GB of RAM will means that you won't need a dedicated scratch disk (scratch disks used to be necessary because we couldn't afford enough RAM), that you will be able to use your two 640GB drives as a RAID0 and keep your 1TB as back-up.

Loa

[kxfrog]

Thanks people hopefully get some ram!!!

[KeriJane]

More RAM is probably your best bet.

I just experimented with Photoshop CS4 and a 12mb Canon RAW file on my 1st-gen Mac Pro with 8GB RAM. Everything seemed pretty zippy even with plenty of Safari pages (including some Flash ones) running.


I believe your 2009 Mac Pro Quad has Triple Channel memory so it's a good idea to use memory in such a way that all available channels (3?) are utilized. Using too few or many memory slots will result in slower Single or Dual-Channel operation regardless of the total amount of RAM.
Apparently this isn't as much of a problem as too little RAM.

Here's a good resource:
http://eshop.macsales.com/Reviews/Framework.cfm?page=/Benchmarks/NehalemTests.html



Clear as mud, right? :o

You should at least replace those 3x1GB with 3x2GB. My recommendation is to try that and maybe experiment with any remaining slots to see if kicking it out of triple channel slows it down.

Good Luck,
Keri

[nanofrog]

I believe your 2009 Mac Pro Quad has Triple Channel memory so it's a good idea to use memory in such a way that all available channels (3?) are utilized. Using too few or many memory slots will result in slower Single or Dual-Channel operation regardless of the total amount of RAM.
Yes, the Nehalem architecture has a maximum of 3 channels of DDR3. But the software used can't utilize it (precious little can), so filling all of the slots makes more sense for the additional memory (4x 2GB DIMM's = 8GB total).

[Deepshade]

Seriously!

I've been editing PS files since the 2Ci and you guys are really quibbling over nothing.

Max out the ram on whatever machine you are editing on. Use the most up to date SW ie Photoshop, in its latest version (CS5 looks like THE most significant upgrade ever) and a reasonably up to date Intel multiprocessor Mac.

10 years ago I was editing 100+ meg images for print production in posters - no one winged then - get a grip and get on with the job and stop blaming the software and hardware! and think yourselves lucky that the images are not bigger than harddrive!!

[Nostromo]

Hi,
I have recently started photography and picked up a canon 500d dlsr. I am shooting in 15MP Raws which tend to be around 23MB each. I am editing about 100-200 a week of these in photoshop on my Mac Pro Quad 2.66ghz with 2 640GB drives in raid 0 and a 1TB backup disk. I only have 3GB ram and can't really afford to upgrade it yet, but when I am editing it seems laggy as hell! Also my iPhoto library is almost 100GB and takes about 10 years for each photo to load, is there any way to speed up my system or a better way to edit or organise my photos than Photoshop CS4 and iPhoto? Thanks

Sorry about the long post!!!:apple::apple:

Why do you use iPhoto?

Canon's DPP accesses the RAW files directly, and once you have converted them to TIFF you can organize them in Bridge.

Also: go to crucial.com and anybody can afford RAM upgrades. Be glad you have a Mac Pro where you can put in more RAM.

If you really need a catalogue, get Expression Media for the Mac, where you have keywording, or check out Photo Mechanic, which can also handle keywords, but is not creating a catalogue.

This way all will run snappy.

I suppose the culprit for your slowdown is iPhoto.

[kxfrog]

I have switched my whole iPhoto library to Adobe Bridge and have decided to add 8gb of ram to my mac pro from crucial (2x4GB). Can i install the 2 4 gb dimms and keep two of my 1gb dimms in so i have 10gb of ram or should i just put in 8gb and take out the 1gb dimms. From what i have gathered cs4 and cs5 wont be able to benefit from triple channel so im not too worried about ti be tripple channel but i want it to be at least dual channel. Thanks guys

[nanofrog]

I have switched my whole iPhoto library to Adobe Bridge and have decided to add 8gb of ram to my mac pro from crucial (2x4GB). Can i install the 2 4 gb dimms and keep two of my 1gb dimms in so i have 10gb of ram or should i just put in 8gb and take out the 1gb dimms.
Highly doubtful, as the 4GB DIMM's should have a thermal sensor on them (OWC does, not sure about what you've bought though, and would matter). As that thermal sensor is needed on all DIMM's when it's present, the 1 or 2GB DIMM's won't work combined with the 4GB units, as they don't have thermal sensors (even of the same type, UDIMM).

So you'd have to ditch the 1GB DIMM's, and only use the 4GB sticks for 8GB. There's a note on this on OWC's website.

At least using 4GB DIMM's allows you to increase RAM later if you find it's needed (12 or 16GB without having to remove the 4GB DIMM's you've just purchased/will purchase).

[kxfrog]

this is the ram i have ordered and i cant see that it says anywhere on the website that i cant mix it with my 1gb dimms.
http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/mpartspecs.aspx?mtbpoid=956B1B54A5CA7304

[nanofrog]

this is the ram i have ordered and i cant see that it says anywhere on the website that i cant mix it with my 1gb dimms.
http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/mpartspecs.aspx?mtbpoid=956B1B54A5CA7304
I'd call and verify, as what's listed is really PC memory (standard = no thermal sensor), but with the 4GB sticks, Apple specified them (non-standard).

Worth a call anyway (I didn't find a specification .pdf linked on that page to find out more information).

[kxfrog]

Thanks nano and all youu oher guys you've been really helpful

[kxfrog]

guys just wanted to update you. I have decided not to buy from crucial as they have put their prices up too far! I have decided to buy 12gb of ram from OWC via fedex to the UK. Hopefully this should dort out my problems, I am also transitioning my photo library to Aperture.

[Murray M]

I am also transitioning my photo library to Aperture.

I like Aperature a lot, but I don't trust it for storing images since Version 1 crashed and corrupted the Aperature library. I HIGHLY recommend keeping your images in folders you create, not the Aperature Library. I'm sure Version 3 is better--but how much you willing to bet?

[kxfrog]

i keep a backup so im not to worried

[Apple Corps]

:eek: just checked Crucial prices for MP - waaaaay higher than OWC.

Over the years I have purchased almost all my dimms from Crucial - but not at the prices they are now showing.

Hello OWC...