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GoHack
Apr 30, 2010, 05:49 PM
Anyone know if the Apple Bluetooth mouse works w/the iPad?

No luck w/my iPad seeing it.


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kloan
Apr 30, 2010, 05:50 PM
no.

Rhalliwell1
Apr 30, 2010, 05:51 PM
How would that work!? the iPad has a touch UI not a point and click one. It wont even have mouse drivers.

GoHack
Apr 30, 2010, 05:54 PM
How would that work!? the iPad has a touch UI not a point and click one. It wont even have mouse drivers.

Good point, though it would be a nice feature to have when docked w/the Bluetooth keyboard.

Thx.


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lilo777
Apr 30, 2010, 05:56 PM
Good point, though it would be a nice feature to have when docked w/the Bluetooth keyboard.

Thx.


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No such luck. Start training your arm for that :D

shen
Apr 30, 2010, 05:57 PM
why?

just why?

i mean why would the iPad even have the little pointer icons in its system?

and why use it?

i mean why not just complain that your laserjet printer doesn't have movable type faces?

there is nothing about this that even makes sense...

steffi
Apr 30, 2010, 05:57 PM
How would that work!? the iPad has a touch UI So it doesn't gave a point and click interface because it doesn'tnot a point and click one. It wont even have mouse drivers.

how do u think developers generate touch events in the simulator?


Touch interface vs point and click?

xl1ken
Apr 30, 2010, 06:01 PM
The iPad is a touch based device. It doesn't know what to do with a mouse.
On the other hand the standard wireless (bluetooth) Apple keyboard should work. Just got mine so what I say is not set in stone.

Ken

Anyone know if the Apple Bluetooth mouse works w/the iPad?

No luck w/my iPad seeing it.


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GoHack
Apr 30, 2010, 06:03 PM
why?

just why?

i mean why would the iPad even have the little pointer icons in its system?

and why use it?

i mean why not just complain that your laserjet printer doesn't have movable type faces?

there is nothing about this that even makes sense...

Why have an external keyboard then?

Anyway, I was just asking. ;)



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master-ceo
Apr 30, 2010, 06:04 PM
I wish

nsorrelle
Apr 30, 2010, 06:05 PM
why?

just why?

i mean why would the iPad even have the little pointer icons in its system?

and why use it?

i mean why not just complain that your laserjet printer doesn't have movable type faces?

there is nothing about this that even makes sense...


Virtual desktop? No? Ok.

GoHack
Apr 30, 2010, 06:05 PM
The iPad is a touch based device. It doesn't know what to do with a mouse.
On the other hand the standard wireless (bluetooth) Apple keyboard should work. Just got mine so what I say is not set in stone.

Ken

The standard bluetooth keyboard does work.

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Rhalliwell1
Apr 30, 2010, 06:05 PM
how do u think developers generate touch events in the simulator?


Touch interface vs point and click?

It's a simulator... it simulates them.

mokeiko
Apr 30, 2010, 06:12 PM
If there is a Jailbreak for the iPad, a bluetooth and mouse will work if third party developers decide to implement this. It currently works with my iPhone 3GS.

As for you people saying it's silly and why, it will be like using a laptop when your iPad is docked. You will be able to scroll/click through pages without touching your iPad, there's nothing silly about that.

mokeiko

steffi
Apr 30, 2010, 06:12 PM
I asked this question some time ago and folks came back with a serious of ridiculous reasons why it's not possible or why it would never be possible but you can bet that Apple doesn't want an iPad to emulate the function of any of their macbook's. That's the only reason why bluetooth mice don't work on an iPad. If you think about how a developer has to test their application in the simulator it's perfectly reasonable to expect that you could use your mouse with the tablet when using a bluetooth keyboard. Any other response is simply isn't convincing.

Anyone know if the Apple Bluetooth mouse works w/the iPad?

No luck w/my iPad seeing it.


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steffi
Apr 30, 2010, 06:13 PM
The simulator get them from the mouse on the computer. That's the point. The device is useable with a mouse.

It's a simulator... it simulates them.

steffi
Apr 30, 2010, 06:14 PM
What's silly is the idea that you should have to touch something whilst using an external keyboard. That's what's silly. Apple should be called out for what is deliberately missing functionality so as to not hurt hardware sales.

If there is a Jailbreak for the iPad, a bluetooth and mouse will work if third party developers decide to implement this. It currently works with my iPhone 3GS.

As for you people saying it's silly and why, it will be like using a laptop when your iPad is docked. You will be able to scroll/click through pages without touching your iPad, there's nothing silly about that.

mokeiko

Rhalliwell1
Apr 30, 2010, 06:17 PM
The simulator get them from the mouse on the computer. That's the point. The device is useable with a mouse.

No, the simulator flukes the OS into thinking the touchscreen has just been pressed, probably by loading a certain value into one of the devices simulated registers.

steffi
Apr 30, 2010, 06:21 PM
What the hell are you talking about? The device has a windowing system that processes events it just gets the events in the simulator from a mouse. Why's that so hard to understand and what are you talking about by "registers?"

The simulator is a cocoa application that takes cocoa events from the mouse. There's no reason why the same events couldn't be generated thru driver on the device when the mouse is paired with the device.

"registers?"

No, the simulator flukes the OS into thinking the touchscreen has just been pressed, probably by loading a certain value into one of the devices simulated registers.

GoHack
Apr 30, 2010, 06:25 PM
What's silly is the idea that you should have to touch something whilst using an external keyboard. That's what's silly. Apple should be called out for what is deliberately missing functionality so as to not hurt hardware sales.

That was kind a my point. Here I am typing this on my iPad, using my external keyboard, yet I have to go an touch the screen in order to move around it.

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steffi
Apr 30, 2010, 06:30 PM
My point is simply this. Apple knows that it's stupid to have to touch the screen if using a keyboard but they also know people who want to be productive need to then step up to a laptop. If they didn't have to step up to a laptop that would hurt Apple's laptop sales. That's why a bluetooth mouse will never be supported by Apple on the iPad.

That was kind a my point. Here I am typing this on my iPad, using my external keyboard, yet I have to go an touch the screen in order to move around it.

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firewood
Apr 30, 2010, 06:30 PM
UIKit (as well as all the apps in the App store) doesn't support any mouse pointer. So exactly what would a mouse do, even if the events were sent to the OS?

r0k
Apr 30, 2010, 06:31 PM
That was kind a my point. Here I am typing this on my iPad, using my external keyboard, yet I have to go an touch the screen in order to move around it.

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No need to defend your question. I want to turn my iPad into a remote terminal so I don't have to walk down the stairs to use my MacBook in the basement. Ane while I'm using my iPad in this mode, how the heck can I do drag and drop or right click without a proper mouse. All these people shouting about how stupid this question is just need to go find a thread they understand rather than spout nonsense.

nj-mac-user
Apr 30, 2010, 06:32 PM
What's silly is the idea that you should have to touch something whilst using an external keyboard. That's what's silly. Apple should be called out for what is deliberately missing functionality so as to not hurt hardware sales.

You mean something silly like a touchscreen imac (http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/18/apple-launching-22-inch-touchscreen-imac-this-year/) perhaps?

GoHack
Apr 30, 2010, 06:37 PM
UIKit (as well as all the apps in the App store) doesn't support any mouse pointer. So exactly what would a mouse do, even if the events were sent to the OS?

Moving around on this forum, as well as surfing on the net.

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Rhalliwell1
Apr 30, 2010, 06:51 PM
What the hell are you talking about? The device has a windowing system that processes events it just gets the events in the simulator from a mouse. Why's that so hard to understand and what are you talking about by "registers?"

The simulator is a cocoa application that takes cocoa events from the mouse. There's no reason why the same events couldn't be generated thru driver on the device when the mouse is paired with the device.

"registers?"

registers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Processor_register)

Simulation software (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_software)

You could use a flight simulator with a mouse but God help you if you try to pair your mouse with a plane! :p

steffi
Apr 30, 2010, 06:55 PM
If it's a touch device? why is it it accepts events from the external keyboard?

Is the keyboard putting events into the "registers" of the device?

The device has an event loop and it responds to events. Providing you can generate the events it's not going to care. It would be very easy for the device to take events from a bluetooth mouse especially one like a Magic Mouse.

registers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Processor_register)

Simulation software (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_software)

You could use a flight simulator with a mouse but God help you if you try to pair your mouse with a plane! :p

Rhalliwell1
Apr 30, 2010, 07:03 PM
If it's a touch device? why is it it accepts events from the external keyboard?

Is the keyboard putting events into the "registers" of the device?

The device has an event loop and it responds to events. Providing you can generate the events it's not going to care. It would be very easy for the device to take events from a bluetooth mouse especially one like a Magic Mouse.

Well the keyboard driver will detect what key has been pressed and load the appropriate ASCII value into a register. To the end user clicking a mouse button and touching a screen has the same effect but look at the software behind it and they are two completely different tasks. Hence me saying the iPhone OS will not have mouse drivers installed. I'm pretty sure apple could add them very easily but they clearly have not for whatever reason.

steffi
Apr 30, 2010, 07:09 PM
I'm not saying it is possible because it isn't. I'm just saying it should be possible as it's not technically challenging to provide this functionality. Apple have chosen to leave it out, imho because it will cannibalize laptop sales. iPads are to encourage people to eventually buy a laptop so there must be a big divide in functionality b/w an iPad and a laptop.

Well the keyboard driver will detect what key has been pressed and load the appropriate ASCII value into a register. To the end user clicking a mouse button and touching a screen has the same effect but look at the software behind it and they are two completely different tasks. Hence me saying the software will not have mouse drivers installed. I'm pretty sure apple could add them very easily but they clearly have not for whatever reason.

Rhalliwell1
Apr 30, 2010, 07:17 PM
I dont see why you would want it. For me it would be far more hassle to move my right hand form the keyboard to the mouse, move the cursor to where i want it and then click away. Wouldn't it be easier to just move your hand from the keyboard and tap whatever you want on screen?

From using the iPhone/iPad simulator on my mac i can tell you a mouse on a touch UI is not the nicest of experiences.

kepner
Apr 30, 2010, 07:34 PM
If there is a Jailbreak for the iPad, a bluetooth and mouse will work if third party developers decide to implement this. It currently works with my iPhone 3GS.

Yep. It's only a matter of time. BTStack Mouse (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7SMbTdjtY8) will be great on the iPad.

lilo777
Apr 30, 2010, 07:51 PM
I dont see why you would want it. For me it would be far more hassle to move my right hand form the keyboard to the mouse, move the cursor to where i want it and then click away. Wouldn't it be easier to just move your hand from the keyboard and tap whatever you want on screen?

From using the iPhone/iPad simulator on my mac i can tell you a mouse on a touch UI is not the nicest of experiences.

Keep in mind that mouse is at placed at the same distance from you as keyboard. People have been working like this for years and it works just fine. iPad on the other hand is farther from you and stretching your arm to touch it is a real pain (literally). You will not be able to do it for more than a few minutes.

diabolic
Apr 30, 2010, 07:57 PM
iPad on the other hand is farther from you and stretching your arm to touch it is a real pain (literally). You will not be able to do it for more than a few minutes.

What? I'm not sure how you picture someone using the iPad, but when I have it in the dock on my kitchen bar, my hands are about 3 inches in front of it. It's not even something I'd consider calling a reach to type and touch on the screen. I could spend hours doing it comfortably.

EDIT: Also, if i'm holding the iPad, my hands are already on the device, regardless of my position, so there is no stretching of my arms to reach it. Perfectly comfortable, and i've already spent countless hours using it with no pain.

Rhalliwell1
May 1, 2010, 06:07 AM
Keep in mind that mouse is at placed at the same distance from you as keyboard. People have been working like this for years and it works just fine. iPad on the other hand is farther from you and stretching your arm to touch it is a real pain (literally). You will not be able to do it for more than a few minutes.

If you bought an iPad as a replacement for a desktop then you shouldn't have bought an iPad.

master-ceo
May 1, 2010, 06:37 AM
not being a prick, but whats the logic behind releasing a keyboard/Dock? Isn't the idea to turn the ipad into a desktop?

mouse support would be cool in that case.

Just Saying.

steffi
May 1, 2010, 06:49 AM
Nobody expects an iPad to function as a desktop. Open your eyes man and stop being so closed to other peoples ideas. "Registers?"

If you bought an iPad as a replacement for a desktop then you shouldn't have bought an iPad.

diabolic
May 1, 2010, 07:22 AM
not being a prick, but whats the logic behind releasing a keyboard/Dock? Isn't the idea to turn the ipad into a desktop?

mouse support would be cool in that case.

Just Saying.

The keyboard dock combo allows touch typists to type longer documents faster than they could using the on-screen keyboard. It's not an attempt to make the iPad a desktop.

r0k
May 1, 2010, 08:12 AM
The keyboard dock combo allows touch typists to type longer documents faster than they could using the on-screen keyboard. It's not an attempt to make the iPad a desktop.

I disagree. There are probably a dozen apps in the app store for remote control of a desktop machine. Go ahead and try it some time without a mouse and you will see that it would be nice to have a mouse for this situation even if the iPad os never put up a mouse crosshair or cursor, the remote control apps all put up cursors. You can try this with a number of free apps like mocha vnc lite to see for yourself what I mean.

henneth
May 1, 2010, 08:16 AM
When the iPad is docked (I dont have one) I can really see the use in having a mouse and keyboard. If there is already a keyboard, typing on that, then having to gingerly use your finger to place the curser seems very counter-intuitive. I hope the jailbreak can bring something like this.

Yzord
May 1, 2010, 08:19 AM
Wait for the JB and take this http://www.roqy-bluetooth.net/wp/

4DThinker
May 1, 2010, 09:08 AM
Don't worry. Be patient. Android perks right up with a mouse pointer when you pair it with a bluetooth mouse. With a little competition Apple is being very responsive. Expect mouse support in 4.something. You can bet they are working desperately on it.

Yzord
May 1, 2010, 09:32 AM
Don't think so. If you want GPS, take the 3G version, that is what Apple would say ;)