Nintendo Takes Aim at Apple as 'Enemy of the Future'

[jnc]

wtf. When have Nintendo taken design cues from Apple?

...you must be joking. The DS Lite and Wii are so "Apple" I thought a merger was on the way.

[jimmyjoemccrow]

...you must be joking. The DS Lite and Wii are so "Apple" I thought a merger was on the way.

Pitiful. The DS is deliberately styled to look like the old Nintendo Game and Watch games from the 1980s. Posters here seem to think that Apple invented the colour white. In any case the Wii and the DS come in a range of colours.

[jnc]

The DS is deliberately styled to look like the old Nintendo Game and Watch games from the 1980s.

Yeah, that's what they were going for with the DS Lite. Whatever.

[madmax_2069]

The Xbox division also loses Microsoft money

Not really, look at the millions of people that own a 360, now just about every one of them have a gold account, a year of live cost $50 if you buy it a year at a time, $20 for 3 months, and $7.99 per month if you just buy a month.

if you add it all together combined with software sales Microsoft isn't really loosing any money. They take a hit on the hardware to regain the money by other means. and they are making a good amount of it by those means.

They earned $13.7 billion in annual earnings associated with Xbox. that number sure shows that the xbox division is loosing Microsoft money.

[jimmyjoemccrow]

Yeah, that's what they were going for with the DS Lite. Whatever.

wow the DS looks like a laptop because it folds up on itself.

[jnc]

wow the DS looks like a laptop because it folds up on itself.

You're new to wit, aren't you?

[madmax_2069]

Yeah, that's what they were going for with the DS Lite. Whatever.

This is what he was talking about

Nintendo’s Game & Watch Series - 1980-91

http://www.engadget.com/media/2006/02/gamewatch2.jpg

that above is what they designed the DS after.

[jimmyjoemccrow]

You're new to wit, aren't you?

Well I wasn't aiming to be Chris Rock tbh. You seem new to design:

http://gizmodo.com/343641/1960s-braun-products-hold-the-secrets-to-apples-future

[jnc]

This is what he was talking about

Nintendo’s Game & Watch Series - 1980-91

http://www.engadget.com/media/2006/02/gamewatch2.jpg

that above is what they designed the DS after.

Thankyou, I know that. It's got hardly anything to do with what I'm saying though as I'm referring to the DS Lite redesign, and the Wii. Everything that came with Nintendo's image circa 2006 echoed design cues used at Apple too. No one with eyes should dispute that... but they find a way!

[KnightWRX]

Thankyou, I know that. It's got hardly anything to do with what I'm saying though as I'm referring to the DS Lite redesign, and the Wii. Everything that came with Nintendo's image circa 2006 echoed design cues used at Apple too. No one with eyes should dispute that... but they find a way!

Actually, yes, they should. Apple isn't somehow the only company that has a right to white plastic. :rolleyes:

Seriously, drop it. You've been proven wrong. If you really believe what you're spewing, you're in solid denial of reality.

[jnc]

Actually, yes, they should. Apple isn't somehow the only company that has a right to white plastic. :rolleyes:

Seriously, drop it. You've been proven wrong. If you really believe what you're spewing, you're in solid denial of reality.

Facepalm. Complete facepalm. I don't know where I said "Apple invented white plastic" but that's where you seem to want this to go.

Nintendo, Apple. Similar design cues. Don't think so? eh... don't really care

[jimmyjoemccrow]

Facepalm. Complete facepalm. I don't know where I said "Apple invented white plastic" but that's where you seem to want this to go.

Nintendo, Apple. Similar design cues. Don't think so? eh... don't really care

You posted here enough times to suggest you do. Similar design cues are not the same thing as copying Apple.

[vampyren]

I don't think I agree with that. Go play some of the games I listed on DS and then go play them on iPhone. They are just as good or better at a fraction of the cost.

I barely play my DS since I have an iPhone. In the last six months, I've only purchased Zelda, Warioware, and Shin Megami Tensei on DS, but has purchased twice as many iPhone games. There are tons of good games on iPhone (see Peggle, iBlast Moki, Space Invaders Infinity Gene, N.O.V.A., Blimp, Wolfenstein RPG, etc.). If you need help finding some good iPhone games, read reviews. IGN has a pretty good iPhone reviews section.

Totally agree, i even sold my DS since it was to heavy and got on my nerves with the pen. iPhone is simply more intuitive and the games are cheaper and i can have them all with me in the device.
Nintendo have not been doing any update for ages in my eyes and keeps giving out the same old hw over and over. For some reason i can not understand they do sell well but i think Apple will take more and more shares
eventually since ipod is pretty much the same cost as DS and games are less expensive usually.

Even PSP sucks in my eyes right now. IT could have been awesome if Sony would have added touchscreen and 2 analog pads but just as Nintendo they add as little as possible and give out the same old stuff in smaller size and hallelujah we have a new product. That old trick is not gonna work now with more competitor which in the end will be great for us buyers i think.

[applefan69]

What i dont quite understand. Is how the iphone is managing to be a smaller product with more capabilities, higher build quality, FAR more features*cough*gpsphonewebemail*cough* WHILE competing with Nintendo. The NDS is mostly focused on gaming, with poor extra features tacked on to compete with the psps feature list.

its like a small sector of what Apple has to offer is competition for nintendo in its entirety.

Now thats been said, I ask you all. Why is this even a debate, how does Apple NOT win in this situation?


EDIT: ... and i didnt even mention the hundreds of useful apps in the app store.

[madmax_2069]

Thankyou, I know that. It's got hardly anything to do with what I'm saying though as I'm referring to the DS Lite redesign, and the Wii. Everything that came with Nintendo's image circa 2006 echoed design cues used at Apple too. No one with eyes should dispute that... but they find a way!

Yeah i was only quoting you to show people a darn picture. I figured that you wasn't a idiot and knew that.

[absolutmp5]

Apple will without a doubt give nintendo problems if it already hasn't. Ninentdo has always been one of the most powerful if not the the best first party game developer. I mean mario has done everything from golf, karting, to even paint if i remember!

Apple opened a door that mobile gaming really hasn't taken a huge investment into. The app store was a learning experience for all publishers. Nintendo will probably go the route of a multifunctional device that can mimic many of the features that the iphone/ipod touch have, such as intuitive web browsing experience, multimedia play back, etc.

Nintendo will have the advantage for limited market fragmentation and developers thus harnessing as much of its future device's power as possible. However apple needs to think this one out. Assuming the majority of apple iphone users are currently using the 3g model, many people will be eligible for the subsidized price for when the new phone comes out. Couple this with a possible verizon launch, we are talking millions of people using apple's powerful iphone to date.

This I believe will give developers a incentive to finally fragment away from developing for the old iphones both 2g and 3g and finally start using the power of the 3gs and 4g iphone. We are talking HD games with fully capable multi player, scoring, achievements, etc. Not to mention a much more higher incentive to jailbreak, which will give more power to old console emulation such as psx and N64.

Nintendo has been very wise to be able to hold the crown as top seller in the console war (via sales numbers). But I dont think they are fully prepared to fight apple when it comes to new paradigm of app ecosystems. Yes they can get going if they debut a multifunctional device with games, but it takes time and commitment as well as strong sales numbers for other companies to develop apps such as shazam or pandora.

Nintendo will not only have to deal with apple but the whole arena of new smart phone manufactuers with the likes of HTC as well as the rapidly evolving smart phone features and power.

We as consumers are going to see the most awesome evolution in mobile gaming ever seen. With sony and nintendo soon enlisting their hands into the smart device gaming war we are going to see game development get serious.

[applefan69]

Apple will without a doubt give nintendo problems if it already hasn't. Ninentdo has always been one of the most powerful if not the the best first party game developer. I mean mario has done everything from golf, karting, to even paint if i remember!

Apple opened a door that mobile gaming really hasn't taken a huge investment into. The app store was a learning experience for all publishers. Nintendo will probably go the route of a multifunctional device that can mimic many of the features that the iphone/ipod touch have, such as intuitive web browsing experience, multimedia play back, etc.

Nintendo will have the advantage for limited market fragmentation and developers thus harnessing as much of its future device's power as possible. However apple needs to think this one out. Assuming the majority of apple iphone users are currently using the 3g model, many people will be eligible for the subsidized price for when the new phone comes out. Couple this with a possible verizon launch, we are talking millions of people using apple's powerful iphone to date.

This I believe will give developers a incentive to finally fragment away from developing for the old iphones both 2g and 3g and finally start using the power of the 3gs and 4g iphone. We are talking HD games with fully capable multi player, scoring, achievements, etc. Not to mention a much more higher incentive to jailbreak, which will give more power to old console emulation such as psx and N64.

Nintendo has been very wise to be able to hold the crown as top seller in the console war (via sales numbers). But I dont think they are fully prepared to fight apple when it comes to new paradigm of app ecosystems. Yes they can get going if they debut a multifunctional device with games, but it takes time and commitment as well as strong sales numbers for other companies to develop apps such as shazam or pandora.

Nintendo will not only have to deal with apple but the whole arena of new smart phone manufactuers with the likes of HTC as well as the rapidly evolving smart phone features and power.

We as consumers are going to see the most awesome evolution in mobile gaming ever seen. With sony and nintendo soon enlisting their hands into the smart device gaming war we are going to see game development get serious.


this is an excellent post. It makes sense, when i think of it i dont think nintendo nor sony will be making phones of any sort. But dont be surprised if they end up partnered.

[billysea]

I think iPhone game market needs to have some unique and big exclusive mega hits. Games like Rolando is kind of like it, but it needs bigger marketing push so everyone know about it.

We associate Mario and Zelda and Wii Sports to Nintendo, Halo and Gears of War to Microsoft, Gran Turismo and God of War to Sony. What does Apple have?

I don't know.. maybe Apple does not need one. Because their marketing strategy and business model is so different than everyone else, so we don't usually wait a year or two for the 'next biggest hit'. They can just keep on releasing cheap and minimal game.

[inlovewithi]

This is what he was talking about

Nintendo’s Game & Watch Series - 1980-91

http://www.engadget.com/media/2006/02/gamewatch2.jpg

that above is what they designed the DS after.

It's amazing how childish some people are. Everything revolves around what they love the most in life, in this case Apple. With their logic I guess Apple copied Nintendo and their 1980 game and watch series. Perhaps Nintendo copied the black DS from one of those black laptops.

[inlovewithi]

Facepalm. Complete facepalm. I don't know where I said "Apple invented white plastic" but that's where you seem to want this to go.

Nintendo, Apple. Similar design cues. Don't think so? eh... don't really care

The original DS was more of a finished prototype rushed before the PSP came out. It was not a typical Nintendo Design. The DS Lite look very much like a wider Gameboy Advance SP. Since the world does not revolve around Apple, it would be more logical that Nintendo copied their own design. Can't imagine a different look for a dual screen handheld.

[KnightWRX]

What i dont quite understand. Is how the iphone is managing to be a smaller product with more capabilities, higher build quality, FAR more features*cough*gpsphonewebemail*cough* WHILE competing with Nintendo. The NDS is mostly focused on gaming, with poor extra features tacked on to compete with the psps feature list.

its like a small sector of what Apple has to offer is competition for nintendo in its entirety.

Now thats been said, I ask you all. Why is this even a debate, how does Apple NOT win in this situation?

By being way more expensive. Even a 8 GB iPod Touch that doesn't even have a decent GPU is more expensive than the Nintendo DSi XL. Also, iPhones/iPod touches are very limited to what games can be made for them, due to the limited input mecanisms.

The fact is, Apple doesn't "just win". They provide something nice for casual on-the-go gaming, but Nintendo provides a dedicated gaming device that does one thing very well.

[absolutmp5]

The problem with the model currently is, that it does not make sense for a developer to heavily invest resources and cash into developing games that pushes the iphone to its limits. Especially when its hard for developers to have games sustaining pricing for beyond the ten dollar mark.

However this is changing. The best example would be the recently released Chaos Rings. The game is definitely showcasing the iphone's ability to be a serious gaming device (keep in mind it optimized to work on all idevices and not just take advantage of the lastest hardware) and it has had a positive embrace on the app store. Other rpgs before for the most part can't even come close to Ring's polish. What we will soon see is not the small time developers pushing the hardware but the big name guys like square, ea, gameloft showcasing the phones abilities since they have the resources to invest to do so.

But we should not digress into specs of phones but rather the talent backing these platforms. This was made evident of Sony losing its crown for king console from its transition from ps2 to ps3. They got careless with by somewhat abandoning their huge support of their large developer base by focusing on pushing their bluray format and a myriad of other things with the ps3.

If apple truly wants to take control of this battlefield they must create a large incentive for developers to not only stick with them but also develop truly first class titles. This will require apple to provide better intergration for gaming in the OS, which has become apparent with the soon to be launched game center. This will also require them to help developers be able to sustain pricing in the 10-20 dollar realm. As much as that would sting the prospect of having cheap games on a mobile device it will be the best for the long run for numerous reasons.

- This will lead to better investment in utilizing the full power of the hardware of the device
- This will also lead to better mobile phone game coverage by the bigger internet/print publications such Ign, game pro, etc since they will be dedicating more time for interviews, reviews, previews, etc
- Higher investment into mobile game development divisions.
- Higher competition amongst all developers on the platform (which will also lead to competitive pricing)

I know there are great games on the iphone right now, but keep in mind most are not pushing the phone to its limits. We will all see a level of gaming unheard of on mobile devices.

I promise in a few years you will be able to take your powerful iphone 6gen and hook it up to your HDTV tv and play 720p hd games with your friends over wifi or mobile internet!

[furqan8421]

A few of the comments here are odd. First: nintendo has poor quality? There is more to quality than an aluminum backing. Their products are generally made to be durable and do a good job of it.

Second, how is the wii only for "casual" gamers? Not only is the term ridiculous but it's not even true. There are plenty of great games. Mario galaxy, new super Mario, Zelda, metroid, etc. You could say you're tired of the same franchises, but the games are pretty good.

[zeromeus]

A few of the comments here are odd. First: nintendo has poor quality? There is more to quality than an aluminum backing. Their products are generally made to be durable and do a good job of it.

Second, how is the wii only for "casual" gamers? Not only is the term ridiculous but it's not even true. There are plenty of great games. Mario galaxy, new super Mario, Zelda, metroid, etc. You could say you're tired of the same franchises, but the games are pretty good.

Totally agreed!

Nintendo and Nokia beat Apple on quality from head to toe.

Take the Nokia 3300's series for example: A car runs over the darn phone and you can still make calls from it... even after the shell shatters.

Now on Nintendo's side: The original gameboy took the same abuse with a car running over it. Still work like nothing happened...

How do I know? I had BOTH of these situation happened to me.

I haven't seen ANY Apple product stand up to that kind of abuse. Not even the original iPhone that was built out of aluminum can stand up against such abuse. The gameboy and Nokia 3300's have plastic shell mind you.

[vasuba]

Totally agreed!

Nintendo and Nokia beat Apple on quality from head to toe.

Take the Nokia 3300's series for example: A car runs over the darn phone and you can still make calls from it... even after the shell shatters.

Now on Nintendo's side: The original gameboy took the same abuse with a car running over it. Still work like nothing happened...

How do I know? I had BOTH of these situation happened to me.

I haven't seen ANY Apple product stand up to that kind of abuse. Not even the original iPhone that was built out of aluminum can stand up against such abuse. The gameboy and Nokia 3300's have plastic shell mind you.

http://i43.tinypic.com/xoqt6w.jpg
Survived First Gulf War and a bomb and now sits in the Nintendo World Store Museum on display.

On top of that just look at the previous generations of consoles and handhelds and you can clearly see Nintendo is very much Quality minded. Class Action lawsuits against Sony for crappy PS1 and PS2 quality. The RROD Fiasco of the 360 that amazingly doesnt get the news coverage it deserved.

[richman555]

Well we should all know that Nintendo has a new DS coming at E3 this year in June. The system will be capable of 3D effects without the use of glasses. I think Nintendo will make their system different enough from what Apple offers on the iPhone.

[jnc]

It's amazing how childish some people are. Everything revolves around what they love the most in life, in this case Apple. With their logic I guess Apple copied Nintendo and their 1980 game and watch series. Perhaps Nintendo copied the black DS from one of those black laptops.

I've gamed for 20 years. I know what a G&W is - played it the first time around. Grew up on Nintendo. Clearly the DS, and even the GBA SP were throwbacks to that form factor. But to deny that between the DS and DS Lite, that Nintendo didn't look around and observe other design cues (a la Apple) is absolutely mind boggling to me.

I've found myself trying to convince internet strangers that two products that look similar, look similar. Beyond being white and having a hinge. Another fail for common sense and observation I guess.

[awesomeapple]

Device pricing and game IP are the areas that Nintendo has over Apple.

Also think both have their core markets and the overlap is where they'll be fighting for a bit of extra pocket money, on top of the considerable profits they make anyway :D

[KnightWRX]

I've gamed for 20 years. I know what a G&W is - played it the first time around.

See, now we know you're just trying to save face.

G&W was produced from 1980 to 1985. To have "played it the first time around", you would've needed to be gaming for 25 to 30 years (we're in 2010...).

And as for your design cues, what besides white plastic makes them "alike" ? Seriously, you have nothing because what you're trying to convince us is "factual to anyone with eyeballs" isn't actually there to begin with.

Come back to reality for a second and realise that everything does not revolve around Apple. Apple aren't the only ones that can design something and they haven't somehow trademarked white plastic.

[appleseed76]

Totally agreed!

Nintendo and Nokia beat Apple on quality from head to toe.

Take the Nokia 3300's series for example: A car runs over the darn phone and you can still make calls from it... even after the shell shatters.

Now on Nintendo's side: The original gameboy took the same abuse with a car running over it. Still work like nothing happened...

How do I know? I had BOTH of these situation happened to me.

I haven't seen ANY Apple product stand up to that kind of abuse. Not even the original iPhone that was built out of aluminum can stand up against such abuse. The gameboy and Nokia 3300's have plastic shell mind you.

Apple's quality has definitely slipped over the years as they've gotten bigger and bigger, but I have to say when I dropped my iPhone getting out of my car the glass screen shattered, but everything still worked. I guess that's why they make those cases.

[Dagless]

Traditionally, Nintendo has always geared their products toward kids, though with the Wii and DS, they were able to expand that. I wonder if this thing with Apple will affect their strategies at all.
No no no. Nintendo are universal, they develop mature games (Metroid), universal games (Mario), hardcore games (F-Zero, Smash Bros). They don't develop games specifically for children unlike Ubisoft and Sony.


Now thats been said, I ask you all. Why is this even a debate, how does Apple NOT win in this situation?
Because the games on Apple's system are nowhere near as good as the games on Nintendo's system. That's why they don't win.

[appleseed76]

Well we should all know that Nintendo has a new DS coming at E3 this year in June. The system will be capable of 3D effects without the use of glasses. I think Nintendo will make their system different enough from what Apple offers on the iPhone.

I agree. Nintendo's becoming a much more experimental if gimmicky company. The 3DS might be the next big thing in gaming, but my money is on AR.

Oh, and in reference to Nintendo's quality over Apple's, I believe both companies have been slipping. Apple obviously uses higher quality materials, but they're often shottily put together overseas, or not built sound enough forthe abuses of the American public. They're slick just the same. No one beats Apple's industrial design. Nintendo, on the other hand, builds devices specifically for the wear and tear of children, their primary market before going all blue ocean strategy on everyone. That said, I've know of at least half a dozen people that have bricked their Wiis when their power went out. Even the tiniest powersurge seems to affect the Wii. I know, I know use a surget protector, duh, but this is the gen pop where talking about. The Wiimotes aren't very shock, or temperature resistant either. I don't know how many of those I've gone through. It's really a balance between cost and durability of said materials versus a companies ability to make a profit.

[KnightWRX]

I agree. Nintendo's becoming a much more experimental if gimmicky company. The 3DS might be the next big thing in gaming, but my money is on AR.

Becoming ? Someone missed R.O.B., the Power Pad, the Power Glove, the Nintendo Mouse, the Superscope, Virtual Boy... do I really need to go on ?

Nintendo has always been an experimental gimmicky company. Some of the posters in this thread are really ridiculous...

[zeromeus]

That said, I've know of at least half a dozen people that have bricked their Wiis when their power went out. Even the tiniest powersurge seems to affect the Wii. I know, I know use a surget protector, duh, but this is the gen pop where talking about. The Wiimotes aren't very shock, or temperature resistant either. I don't know how many of those I've gone through. It's really a balance between cost and durability of said materials versus a companies ability to make a profit.

If you do the same to your precious iMac, MacBook, or any Apple product, you'll get the same result: a brick. That's not to say that only Apple products would suffer such abuse. ALL electronics suffer the consequences of a power surge. That's why they make surge protectors to start with. They also warned you in their manual that you need to plug your new toy (TV, game system, DVR, etc.) into a surge protector. My friend's iMac stopped working when she left for a week WITH the surge protector plugged in. There were two power outages in her neighborhood during the period that she wasn't home. I told her to get a UPS to make sure she has power for her computers just in case it happens again or just unplug her iMac when she goes on vacation again. She couldn't get her iMac working until she call Apple to fix it.

I have two Wii's 1 that's now 2 1/2 years old and the other is a year old. Both still work really well. The one that's 2 1/2 years old is being used by my friends, my niece and her friends, and my students. Nothing happened to it just yet. That screams quality to me.

[vampyren]

No no no. Nintendo are universal, they develop mature games (Metroid), universal games (Mario), hardcore games (F-Zero, Smash Bros). They don't develop games specifically for children unlike Ubisoft and Sony.


Because the games on Apple's system are nowhere near as good as the games on Nintendo's system. That's why they don't win.

This is a good summary to why i sold my Wii and DS. Nintendo have some great games like the ones you mention but beside that there is very little games for "hardcore" gamers. I want a console for more then 3-4 games a year and with other stars then Mario/Metroid/Zelda.
Also the fact that the graphic is lousy dont help. I know graphic isnt everything but today there are just sooooo many great games available on both PS3 and 360 that graphic comes into the mix.
For the time being Nintendo have found itself a niche market with the "family" games but soon enough they wont have that market all for them self since Sony/MS are going after that market as well.
My guess is Nintendo will eventually disappear as Sega did (this is my believe atleast) since they dont have the money/hardware/developer support to compete on both fronts (portable and console) and in this business 3 is 1 to many as we seen earlier.

[Pilgrim1099]

My guess is Nintendo will eventually disappear as Sega did (this is my believe atleast) since they dont have the money/hardware/developer support to compete on both fronts (portable and console) and in this business 3 is 1 to many as we seen earlier.


Don't make me laugh. Nintendo will never disappear as the company has been around a LOT longer than Apple. It started in Japan since 1889. Look it up. Some of you Apple fan bois thought Apple should buy Nintendo out. Dream on. Microsoft TRIED to years ago but the japanese head honchos said 'no thank you'.

This site is so full of 'Duh, Amerika" that it's so nauseating.

Oh, and SEGA is still around.

[inlovewithi]

I agree. Nintendo's becoming a much more experimental if gimmicky company. The 3DS might be the next big thing in gaming, but my money is on AR.

Oh, and in reference to Nintendo's quality over Apple's, I believe both companies have been slipping. Apple obviously uses higher quality materials, but they're often shottily put together overseas, or not built sound enough forthe abuses of the American public. They're slick just the same. No one beats Apple's industrial design. Nintendo, on the other hand, builds devices specifically for the wear and tear of children, their primary market before going all blue ocean strategy on everyone. That said, I've know of at least half a dozen people that have bricked their Wiis when their power went out. Even the tiniest powersurge seems to affect the Wii. I know, I know use a surget protector, duh, but this is the gen pop where talking about. The Wiimotes aren't very shock, or temperature resistant either. I don't know how many of those I've gone through. It's really a balance between cost and durability of said materials versus a companies ability to make a profit.

It happened to my cousin's Wii when they suddenly disconnected it or something. It's very easy to fix, just plug it into one of those bathroom outlets that have a reset button, press reset, and that's it. It actually works. Just Google "Wii won't turn on." It's a rare problem, but very easy to fix.

[KnightWRX]

It happened to my cousin's Wii when they suddenly disconnected it or something. It's very easy to fix, just plug it into one of those bathroom outlets that have a reset button, press reset, and that's it. It actually works. Just Google "Wii won't turn on." It's a rare problem, but very easy to fix.

You do understand what that reset button does right ? It has nothing to do with what is plugged into the outlet.

What you said makes no sense.

[Nancy D.]

DS or iPhone...... hmmm...... Let me think..... Which one of those is a PHONE?

[inlovewithi]

You do understand what that reset button does right ? It has nothing to do with what is plugged into the outlet.

What you said makes no sense.

Makes no sense to you, but it has worked for those who's had a brick Wii due to a power surge and did a google search. Don't knock something just because you don't understand it. It's as simple as plugging it in and pressing the reset button. It resets the Wii.

[inlovewithi]

Tried doing a google search, but can't seem to find the page that I found when I fixed my cousin's Wii. The only thing that I found when I did a google search for "gfci wii won't turn on" was a dead link, that on it's preview had this written - "So basically, it won't turn on and I don't know why. ... Re: Wii won't turn on :s .... Resetting it using a GFCI outlet totally worked. ..." I believe that's the thread that I found when I originally did the search, lucky that I did it when it did, else I wouldn't have found the solution so easily. By the way a GFCI outlet is the outlet that has a reset button.

[Ayria]

Nokia and now Nintendo...arghhh...just because they don't have the winning gadget of the last decade - they whine and complain.

Just because innovation and market share is being sucked from them...

Just because they lost their marbles to a better player...

Grow up Nintendo!! :apple:

[Ayria]

Don't make me laugh. Nintendo will never disappear as the company has been around a LOT longer than Apple. It started in Japan since 1889. Look it up. Some of you Apple fan bois thought Apple should buy Nintendo out. Dream on. Microsoft TRIED to years ago but the japanese head honchos said 'no thank you'.

This site is so full of 'Duh, Amerika" that it's so nauseating.

Oh, and SEGA is still around.

Giggle - FanGirl and loving it! :apple:

[Ayria]

INintendo's becoming a much more experimental if gimmicky company. The 3DS might be the next big thing in gaming, but my money is on AR.


Ain't that the truth! :eek:

[Ayria]

DS or iPhone...... hmmm...... Let me think..... Which one of those is a PHONE?

Exactly!

[TheAppleGeek]

I don't get Nintendo. They are labeling a totally different company as an "Enemy of the Future".

[tkingart]

Nintendo doesn't need to make an enemy of anyone, they are in their own "niche". Nintendo was doing touch and tilt gaming long before Apple was, so now that Apple devices are really making use of touch and tilt gaming, Nintendo probably feels Apple is stepping over into their area of entertainment. I don't think Nintendo can hope to compete with Apple though, when Nintendo's CEO believes "low-tech" re-invented is the way of the future.

I worked on a Nintendo Wii game before, and though the Wii had decent texture memory, the GPU was sorely underpowered. I don't think that leads to just "creative solutions" in this day and age, it leads to "compromises". We came up with a few creative solutions mind you, but always- at the expense of something else. We found ourselves stripping things down all the time. That's not really the best way to produce quality entertainment.

Nintendo makes great family entertainment devices. The Nintendo Wii is fun (though the drive in mine stopped working after 1 year.) The Nintendo DSi XL looks awesome, and I'd get one- if the graphics didn't look so outdated.

Kids love Nintendo products and games, and many of the games are very kid friendly- that's great! For adults however, Nintendo offers little more than brief distractions. I love Animal Crossing, on the Gamecube, DS and Wii. Legend of Zelda and Metroid are awesome games that can only be played on a Nintendo system. The one thing that disappointed me though, were all these crappy small-bundle game packs that flooded into the Wii market. Junkware.

[Dagless]

Nokia and now Nintendo...arghhh...just because they don't have the winning gadget of the last decade - they whine and complain.

They don't have the winning gadget?
The NES, the Super Nintendo, the Gameboy, the GBA, the DS, the Wii, the DSi XL have all been the best selling systems in their markets. Mario and Pokemon are the 2 best selling game franchises ever. The Wii is set to become the best selling console ever.
http://www.vgchartz.com/
Also use the multiquote/edit function.

I don't think Nintendo can hope to compete with Apple though, when Nintendo's CEO believes "low-tech" re-invented is the way of the future.
The Gamecube was more powerful than the PS2, it was almost on par with the original Xbox too. The N64 was very powerful too. It is just this previous generation that they didn't go for power. This is not indicative of where they're going next. It has been long rumoured the next DS will use a Tegra chip too.

The one thing that disappointed me though, were all these crappy small-bundle game packs that flooded into the Wii market.
Oh my yes. Though Nintendo are not to blame for their 3rd party output.

I don't get how people can complain about the amount of shovelware on the Wii yet use the iPhones huge list of cheap shovelware games as something to celebrate. (Not directed to the guy I'm quoting)

[khrisz06]

why does nintendo take apple as a threat they have different category in gaming. nintendo is more on video games and apple for PC and mobile games. why dont nintendo just concentrate in developing new and improved video games. well I still love mario :p

[diamond.g]

why does nintendo take apple as a threat they have different category in gaming. nintendo is more on video games and apple for PC and mobile games. why dont nintendo just concentrate in developing new and improved video games. well I still love mario :p

Bolded part is what Nintendo is worried about.


My 2cents:
I don't see Apple putting Nintendo out of business in the handheld front. Nor do I see Apple moving into home console hardware.

For all those that still like to believe that Nintendo doesn't innovate, please explain the Playstation Move and Natal with a straight face. You may want to dwell on the parts where MS and Sony have basically admitted that "waggle" is where it is at.

[jnc]

See, now we know you're just trying to save face.

We? lol, who are you talking for? Who do you represent? Just your damn self, and that's it.

G&W was produced from 1980 to 1985.</wikipedia SKILLZ>

Oh, too bad. Your wikipedia-fu is weak. Climber and Zelda definitely came out after that. And when you're 7 or 8, you don't pay attention to "production dates". Good lord. You make it sound like if I didn't stand outside the factory the game was made in and played it there and then, it didn't count. I lived in the UK which is bad enough (delay heaven); and I got the games once my big brothers were bored with them. :)

And as for your design cues, what besides white plastic makes them "alike" ? Seriously, you have nothing because what you're trying to convince us is "factual to anyone with eyeballs" isn't actually there to begin with.

Let's answer your question with a question: could you quit acting so dumb? If I was saying this about the DS Phat, you'd be onto something.

Come back to reality for a second and realise that everything does not revolve around Apple. Apple aren't the only ones that can design something and they haven't somehow trademarked white plastic.

Oh for the love of... when have I ever said that? When?

If it makes you feel better, DURR NINTENDO R COPYCATS, APPLE DID WHITE FIRST, DERP DERP DERP. See, now you could quote me saying it! ...Don't, though. Do not address me again.

Are we done? Eek, that's rhetorical by the way. I wouldn't want to imply I want to hear from you. :D

[swedefish]

The day Nintendo/GameFreak releases Pokemon for the iPhone is the day I'll get an iPhone. :D

[Rikos87]

Seriously?

I never liked Nintendo much. They have some okay games (Zelda, Metroid, and the early Final Fantasy series.) but other than that eh.

[vampyren]

Don't make me laugh. Nintendo will never disappear as the company has been around a LOT longer than Apple. It started in Japan since 1889. Look it up. Some of you Apple fan bois thought Apple should buy Nintendo out. Dream on. Microsoft TRIED to years ago but the japanese head honchos said 'no thank you'.

This site is so full of 'Duh, Amerika" that it's so nauseating.

Oh, and SEGA is still around.


Just beacuse its been around for a long time it does not mean it will be forever ;)
I would love to have Sega around (making hardware) but guess what!

Also what i meant to say earlier was i dont think Nintendo will be in Hardware business in the future but software wise they can do good. I would love to play Zelda on my PS3 or 360 :D

And by the way the fanboy talk is getting old. Just be cause you dont like what you hear dont make me a fanboy you know. I have 360/PS3/Windows laptop/Macbook Pro/PS3 and DS/Wii which i have sold so i try everything and build my opinion in compose to others who guess and call names :rolleyes:

[jimmyjoemccrow]

Oh for the love of... when have I ever said that? When?

If it makes you feel better, DURR NINTENDO R COPYCATS, APPLE DID WHITE FIRST, DERP DERP DERP. See, now you could quote me saying it! ...Don't, though. Do not address me again.


You appear incapable of inferring anything at all from another person's post. Returning with a sarcastic comment just shows how you need to stop taking things literally. Personally I think you are just being stupid for it's own sake.

[Ayria]

They don't have the winning gadget?


Of course they do - giggle ummm Mr Dagggggg :eek:

[KnightWRX]

Makes no sense to you, but it has worked for those who's had a brick Wii due to a power surge and did a google search. Don't knock something just because you don't understand it. It's as simple as plugging it in and pressing the reset button. It resets the Wii.

No, it makes no sense because I do understand what the reset button does. Do you understand what it does ?

It does not reset what is plugged into the outlet. It does nothing to what is plugged into the outlet itself. It has no power whatsoever to reset anything through a wire plugged into it.

Clear enough now ?


Let's answer your question with a question: could you quit acting so dumb? If I was saying this about the DS Phat, you'd be onto something.


So again, what is it that the DS Lite takes as design cues from Apple, besides laptop like hinges (which last I looked didn't originate with Apple) and white plastic (which again, doesn't originate with Apple) ?

Your failure to answer this very simple question that has been asked repeatedly of you shows me now more than ever that you're just full of it and trying to save face (same with the "I played G&W the first time around... sorry, you played it after the fact, no matter what your excuse was for it).

[madmax_2069]

Becoming ? Someone missed R.O.B., the Power Pad, the Power Glove, the Nintendo Mouse, the Superscope, Virtual Boy... do I really need to go on ?

Nintendo has always been an experimental gimmicky company. Some of the posters in this thread are really ridiculous...

Yeah that they have.

Man your post brought back some memories. R.O.B was loud and slow as hell but worked, also worked well in disrupting a friend playing the game by inducing epileptic seizures with the flashes of light). It had like only 2 compatible titles. got old real fast.

The power pad and power glove was iffy at times but worked, i remember those all to well.

The SNES mouse for Mario paint was compatible with quite a few other games. i never got to toy around with it, but seen it being used, the thing never interested me.

The Superscope was a wireless light gun for the SNES, i got to use one a few times I didn't care for it. I would rather have a light gun modeled after a pistol then a bazooka.

Now the Virtual Boy would have been good if it wasn't so uncomfortable to use and was in color (hurt the head and eyes because of the red display). although i played the hell out of Red Alarm and Galactic Pinball but ended up giving me a big headache after i was done.

[ImperialX]

Current iPhone games aren’t up to the same quality and depth as DS games (although they’re much closer than cell phone games of just a few years ago). However, I suppose that could change in the future.

I own a DS and the amount of shovelware on the DS doesn't lose to the iPhone's.

[khrisz06]

The day Nintendo/GameFreak releases Pokemon for the iPhone is the day I'll get an iPhone. :D

If that day comes! that is the happiest day for my iphone. :D. Well they can also try pokemon in 3d. cool!:p