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^^ CoolMacLover
May 10, 2010, 01:56 AM
So I'm thinking about getting one, but i want someone to talk me into getting one, pros/cons, etc and etc to do with getting one. :D

Dont be boring either, think as if u get some cash out of it :P



kresh
May 10, 2010, 02:06 AM
So I'm thinking about getting one, but i want someone to talk me into getting one, pros/cons, etc and etc to do with getting one. :D

Dont be boring either, think as if u get some cash out of it :P

Let me talk you out of it. I promise you that if you have to rely on someone talking you into it, you don't see the need and will hate it!

edit: We have three in our house and we would be hard pressed to live without them.

GermanSuplex
May 10, 2010, 04:40 AM
I don't remember the last time I put a DVD in and watched it. I always pop the DVD into my PC, rip it, convert it and watch it on Apple TV, sync it to my iPad or iPhone, or use AirVideo to stream it while out and about it.

To be able to browse all your movies, music and TV shows while laying in bed or sitting on the couch is great.

Renting movies is easy. Watching free content is great. It's not a perfect device, but I certainly wouldn't want to be without one.

trip1ex
May 10, 2010, 08:36 AM
Don't get it.

dernhelm
May 10, 2010, 09:03 AM
If you're just looking to spend money on something that you don't see a clear need for (or even forget need, just a clear desire for) then send it to me instead. I'll put it in my children's college fund and you get the satisfaction of knowing you helped somebody. The warm glow that gives you inside will replace the emptiness engendered by most Hollywood blockbusters anyway.

prss14
May 10, 2010, 09:21 AM
I love my :apple:TV, but as some others have said it doesn't really seem like you are that interested. It is iTunes on your TV. If you do some hacks it is much more, but it really is as simple as that. I really hate to put dvd's in and really only watch the dvd's I have ripped or the HD movies I have purchased. If 720p isn't enough for you then don't get it. Just get a BD player. But like I said I love mine. Not perfect, but nothing really is.

tommylotto
May 10, 2010, 09:21 AM
I like mine just so I don't have to look at this every time I want to watch a movie:

mstrze
May 10, 2010, 09:31 AM
I like mine just so I don't have to look at this every time I want to watch a movie:

Tommy....I hadn't even thought about that. TOO true!:D

tallpaul
May 10, 2010, 10:22 AM
Since I movie rentals became available in Ireland last week I think Apple TV is the way to go for me.

I was thinking of gettig a Macmini and trying to set it up that way as a mutli media centre.

But having read about the ATV supercharger patch which allows a external HD to have my existing movies libary, I'm thinking what's the downside???

The HDMI and optical output will allow very high quality in terms of picture and sound so I'm all set to order BUT before I do are there any updates due soon?

Couldn't see any advice on the buying guide.

thanks in adance

PT

cdavis11
May 10, 2010, 10:33 AM
I haven't handled a DVD in months.

I have two kids who would lose them, leave cases and discs around the house for us to pick up and put back all the time.

Movies are always there, accessible from the sofa in the TV room.

Quality is good. My ripped DVD collection looks fine to my eyes, iTunes HD purchases look great (not Blu-Ray, but then I don't have to fiddle with discs and players now).

When I want to take a movie on a car or plane trip, I put it on my iphone or ipod for the kid(s).

When I want to watch something on the computer in the office, I do.

I'm happy to sit out this next iteration physical media and wait for it to catch up to me. I did that with CDs and was very happy with the decision.

Overall, it's been wonderful cutting the cord of physical media.

tallpaul
May 10, 2010, 10:57 AM
I haven't handled a DVD in months.

I have two kids who would lose them, leave cases and discs around the house for us to pick up and put back all the time.

Movies are always there, accessible from the sofa in the TV room.

Quality is good. My ripped DVD collection looks fine to my eyes, iTunes HD purchases look great (not Blu-Ray, but then I don't have to fiddle with discs and players now).

When I want to take a movie on a car or plane trip, I put it on my iphone or ipod for the kid(s).

When I want to watch something on the computer in the office, I do.

I'm happy to sit out this next iteration physical media and wait for it to catch up to me. I did that with CDs and was very happy with the decision.

Overall, it's been wonderful cutting the cord of physical media.


As I converted a 10,000 vinyl 12" collection and over 500 cds to soft media the idea of having no physical media sounds great.

having everything within iTunes is always a plus too.

I'm sold!

Ordering tomorrow but last thing, are any updates due???

Sky Blue
May 10, 2010, 11:00 AM
Mini + Plex, more expensive but 1000 times better.

tallpaul
May 10, 2010, 11:24 AM
Mini + Plex, more expensive but 1000 times better.

I'm tempted by the Mini as it'll only be another 250 but please fogive my ignorance what's the 'Plex'?

Also is no HDMI a major drawback or is there a way around it?

reebzor
May 10, 2010, 12:29 PM
I'm tempted by the Mini as it'll only be another 250 but please fogive my ignorance what's the 'Plex'?

Also is no HDMI a major drawback or is there a way around it?

An extremely simplified answer: Plex is a Front Row replacement, that offers more functionality. Check out Http://www.plexapp.com for more info.

You can buy an adapter for any video output (DVI, MiniDP, MiniDVI) to HDMI. Go to monoprice.com to find the adapter.

randy98mtu
May 10, 2010, 07:03 PM
I bought a Mini to run Plex for my livingroom because I got tired of waiting for new ATV hardware. I love the way Plex handles movies, particularly that it can play 1080p MKV's. I don't see it as an all in one solution though because I don't care for the way it handles music and it's not as user friendly as the ATV. Plus it won't play iTMS music videos and movies. I'll be near the front of the line when Apple releases a 1080p capable ATV.

cdavis11
May 10, 2010, 07:09 PM
I'm sold!

Ordering tomorrow but last thing, are any updates due???

Glad to hear it, it's a great product. It's not a full fledged media pc - and for me, that's great. I don't want a wireless keyboard and/or mouse cluttering up my living room. For some that's great, and that's mostly what you'll get with a mac mini/plex solution.

The full blown computer/tv combo is not for everyone - my wife would kill me if I tried to hook up a PC to the living room tv. She wants to turn the system on and start playing media with as few steps as possible in between...apple tv fits the bill for her - she uses it often.

As for updates - your crystal ball is as good as any. Could be next month, could be next year.

BTW - my 4 year old is watching Monsters, Inc. on the Apple TV right now. We use it quite a bit - well worth the money.

I will say this - i'm perfectly happy with aTV as it stands now. If something comes along with roughly the same form factor that gives me some updated capability, i'll consider it and move the one I have now down to the basement TV.

speedwaygirl
May 10, 2010, 07:46 PM
Thank you so much for starting this thread. And thank you for all those who have posted. I've been on the fence for a Mac Mini vs. Dell Zino for a media PC. I am realizing that neither option is exactly what I want for the application so why spend $500+. I'm thinking of just getting an Apple TV to tide me over until the right solution presents itself.

My kitchen TV is only a Sony Bravia 19" 720P, so this sounds like a good solution!

^^ CoolMacLover
May 10, 2010, 07:54 PM
For them who say that if I need to be convenced I don't realt want/need it, maybe I am on the fence about getting one?

mox358
May 10, 2010, 08:04 PM
For them who say that if I need to be convenced I don't realt want/need it, maybe I am on the fence about getting one?

I'm in the same boat as you... I really want one, already got almost all my movies ripped and converted to iTunes too. Everytime I get ready to pull the trigger though I think about how old the Apple TV hardware is, how the software is good, but not great, and how a MAJOR update seems inevitable.

If you're to the point of needing to be talked into it I would wait a few months and see what happens...

hamlinspahn
May 10, 2010, 08:43 PM
I loved my Apple Tvs, notice the plural both of them died due to excessive heat. Until there is a revision to the hardware I would stay away.

^^ CoolMacLover
May 10, 2010, 09:38 PM
Thank you so much for starting this thread. And thank you for all those who have posted. I've been on the fence for a Mac Mini vs. Dell Zino for a media PC. I am realizing that neither option is exactly what I want for the application so why spend $500+. I'm thinking of just getting an Apple TV to tide me over until the right solution presents itself.

My kitchen TV is only a Sony Bravia 19" 720P, so this sounds like a good solution!

no problem. ^_^

Mhmm... I'm at the point where, I have money, I have everything I need, I just need to make up my mind to wait or go ahead and buy it. Bu as many have said no one knows when the next up date is going to be, and I don't want to get one and the next day have apple update it -.-' that would piss me off.

Michael CM1
May 11, 2010, 03:24 AM
I loved my Apple Tvs, notice the plural both of them died due to excessive heat. Until there is a revision to the hardware I would stay away.

Seriously! My dad's unit could fry an egg. I would also not buy one until Apple develops a REAL remote that involves a power switch and more control options than an NES controller.

Right now, I think the ATV has lost a ton of ground because the cost hasn't dropped in a couple of years and it hasn't gained any features. Meanwhile, Blu-ray Disc players are half the price for twice the features compared to a couple of years ago, most worth your money have Netflix streaming, and now even TV sets are adding a lot of features like Netflix streaming that you think Apple would put in that little box.

I also can't recommend something that so often gives me a Microsoft fit and tells me it won't play X file when it just played it.

The ONLY benefit of ATV is you have all of your iTunes library at your control on a TV. I'm all in on Blu-ray Disc because the quality is better and the movies are far cheaper if I'm patient. For instance, The Dark Knight is $10 at Amazon. On iTunes, it's NOT EVEN AVAILABLE. I have found plenty of BD TV shows for less than $35 on Amazon. But iTunes runs like one sale a year, so it's HD shows (only 720p and Dolby Digital) are $50+.

WoodNUFC
May 11, 2010, 06:14 AM
I vote for Mini+Plex. After the initial setup there is no need to even have a mouse or keyboard. You can have it launch on startup, and if you leave plex fullscreen that's how it will start up. If my tech illiterate parents can use it, then anyone can. It's brilliant.

patrick0brien
May 11, 2010, 11:05 AM
Movie Rentals, Movie buying (in 720p hi-def and 5.1 audio), TV Show buying (in 720p hi-def and 5.1 audio), and replacing my 19"x19"x6" 400 CD changer.

Priceless...

Oh, have a very first-gen AppleTV, and it's still going (jailbroken for 500gb storage though)

Sky Blue
May 11, 2010, 01:16 PM
Glad to hear it, it's a great product. It's not a full fledged media pc - and for me, that's great. I don't want a wireless keyboard and/or mouse cluttering up my living room. For some that's great, and that's mostly what you'll get with a mac mini/plex solution.

The full blown computer/tv combo is not for everyone - my wife would kill me if I tried to hook up a PC to the living room tv. She wants to turn the system on and start playing media with as few steps as possible in between...apple tv fits the bill for her - she uses it often.


All Plex needs is an Apple remote. You turn on the Mini and Plex laucnhes right away. It's not rocket science. My wife uses Plex for Hulu, Netflix and locally stored TVs and Movies, its easy peasy.

dynaflash
May 11, 2010, 01:55 PM
The mac mini vs. atv debates has been redone ad nauseum in threads here. If you have to ask complete strangers to tell you whether or not you should buy an atv you probably shouldn't. :)

Having said that : My family and I love both of mine and really would not like to be without them, its perfect for our needs (iTunes compatible media on demand). However be sure to note the limitations discussed above. They are real and pertinent in terms of alternate file formats and what not.

Make up your own mind. It is your money after all. :)

cdarlington1
May 11, 2010, 03:50 PM
Mini + Plex, more expensive but 1000 times better.

+1

very very true...:apple:

kurzz
May 11, 2010, 05:35 PM
Get it.

I have one and loving it. I use itunes and line up a crapload of podcasts, rent movies occasionally but mostly I convert downloaded movies and watch them through the :apple:tv. (p.s. converting dvd movie on a corei7 takes 10 minutes!, and 20-30 for hd movies).

'course you can do this on other network devices so why :apple:tv? it has the prettiest interface of course.

yancey47
May 11, 2010, 10:24 PM
Recommended. Mine gets used everyday. I can watch all my ripped movies and tv shows, podcasts, youtube stuff, as well as listen to my music and browse photos through the appletv. It's really a nifty device.

kreach
May 11, 2010, 11:24 PM
Apple TV + ATV Flash....
http://www.atvflash.com/

'nuff said.

sort of changed apple TV for my friend.
But I am waiting [very eagerly] for some upgrade to the current model;

ceefax
May 12, 2010, 05:13 PM
I'd advise to get one, just as the set up is so easy and integrated.

i would jailbreak it, but it really only gives you the ease of limited file conversion, don't be swayed by thinking you will be surfing on your tv...its awful, even using the air mouse aps on the iphone. Jail breaking made mine a little glitchy too, but nothing bad, a few pauses here and there

I stream all music and photos and have a plugged in usb for movies as the space is limited on my bottom end version. This means i must have the mac wakeup ap. Cos on a saturday morning pottering around the house i can't be bothered to go upstairs and make sure itunes in on. So press a button wake it up and away you go from anywhere.

Saying this the best reason to get one is so my girlfriend doesnt have to go through my itunes screwing things up to find something to listen to

joudbren
May 12, 2010, 06:11 PM
We love our ATV. We've owned ours now for about a year and a half and haven't seen a video store since we bought this little guy. We usually rent a couple of movies every weekend in HD and even the odd SD movie. HD video quality has been just great on our 55" LCD and the SD's are even ok, similiar to DVD. HD quality is on par or better than the best HD television that we've seen. Once you get used to the convenience, there is simply no going back. We only buy the odd Blu-Ray now for movies that we know we'll watch multiple times or want to see the absolute best video. (i.e. Avatar, Star Trek, etc.)

the ATV is an iTunes front end for the living room, simple as that and it does that job just fine. We stream music and pictures as well and use it for Internet radio and youtube with the home theater system. I've even streamed DVD movies converted via Handbrake over wireless "N" and no problems.

The WAF on the ATV has been amazing too! (Wife Acceptance Factor) Drop dead easy to use. :D

Cheers!

James

tommylotto
May 12, 2010, 08:26 PM
If you have a family and have been on this earth a few years, the AppleTV screen saver can be a mystical moving experience. I know that regular Macs have fancy screen savers too, but they do not have the same screen saver as the AppleTV. It will randomly take photos from your iPhoto library and a collage of them will slowly float up the screen at varying speeds, overlapping and passing other photos. Then every so often, all the photos on the screen will gracefully in unison swing around and back again, then continue their seady float up and off the screen to replaced by an endless procession of random photos from your library. It literally is like watching your life parade before your eyes.

My wife and I have spend more than a few nights on the couch, drinking wine, listening to music and watching 10,000 photographs documenting our lives together float by. I've caught her crying more than once. It is magical, and the screen savers available for the mini and other Macs just don't have the same magic. The "collage" screen saver option on the Mac is as close as it gets, but is not the same and no where near as emotionally moving.

randy98mtu
May 12, 2010, 09:03 PM
If you have a family and have been on this earth a few years, the AppleTV screen saver can be a mystical moving experience. I know that regular Macs have fancy screen savers too, but they do not have the same screen saver as the AppleTV. It will randomly take photos from your iPhoto library and a collage of them will slowly float up the screen at varying speeds, overlapping and passing other photos. Then every so often, all the photos on the screen will gracefully in unison swing around and back again, then continue their seady float up and off the screen to replaced by an endless procession of random photos from your library. It literally is like watching your life parade before your eyes.

My wife and I have spend more than a few nights on the couch, drinking wine, listening to music and watching 10,000 photographs documenting our lives together float by. I've caught her crying more than once. It is magical, and the screen savers available for the mini and other Macs just don't have the same magic. The "collage" screen saver option on the Mac is as close as it gets, but is not the same and no where near as emotionally moving.

That is one of the least talked about yet best features of the ATV. Whenever we have company over I move the Mini out of the way and set up the ATV with some background music and the slideshow is a GREAT conversation piece.

bndoarn
May 12, 2010, 09:19 PM
I have two main reasons why I love my :apple:TV.

1. It's the only way for me to get HD content. I don't have a HD DVD player or a BluRay player so the iTunes store is the only way I can get HD and the :apple:TV is how I get it to my TV. And my TV is only 720p so it doesn't bother me that iTunes doesn't have 1080p content.

2. My parents and I go camping a lot and instead of taking a bunch of DVDs, I just take my :apple:TV and it has most of my movies on it.

The main thing that I cannot stand about it is the storage problem. I have the 40GB (which I thought would be plenty at the time) and I have to pick and choose what movies I want. Although at home it's really not a problem since i can stream content but when we're camping it becomes a problem. I know I can hack it and connect an external hard drive but It's not something that I really want to do.

joudbren
May 13, 2010, 10:04 AM
I have two main reasons why I love my :apple:TV.

1. It's the only way for me to get HD content. I don't have a HD DVD player or a BluRay player so the iTunes store is the only way I can get HD and the :apple:TV is how I get it to my TV. And my TV is only 720p so it doesn't bother me that iTunes doesn't have 1080p content.

2. My parents and I go camping a lot and instead of taking a bunch of DVDs, I just take my :apple:TV and it has most of my movies on it.

The main thing that I cannot stand about it is the storage problem. I have the 40GB (which I thought would be plenty at the time) and I have to pick and choose what movies I want. Although at home it's really not a problem since i can stream content but when we're camping it becomes a problem. I know I can hack it and connect an external hard drive but It's not something that I really want to do.

If your ATV is out of warranty it can easily be upgraded to 250GB or 320GB internally with a stock PATA drive sourced online or from any local retailer. I've upgraded mine already to a 250GB drive which was the biggest available at the time that I bought the drive. It's a little techy to do it (not sure what your capabilities are) and it helps if you have an iMac so that you can use ATVcloner (free) to easily clone the original ATV drive using an iMac.

Just some food for thought if you're running out of room. You're certainly not stuck with 40GB and it's not as hard to upgrade as you might think. Cheers!

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=761474

James

fkntotalkaos
May 13, 2010, 10:40 AM
mini call it a day