New iMac 27

[simonfoy]

Having been a PC user for over 15 years, I took the plunge last week and bought my first mac. An iMac 27. and I wanted to ask one question. Why didn't I do this years ago. WOW it is superb. When I am upstairs I am back on my Sony Vaio and it feels really amateur and clunky compared to the Mac. It makes cumputing a pleasure. Having only been on it a week now I have already got the hang of it and SOO many things, just make sense.

It is superb my only gripe is I didnt get a Mac 10 years ago. Was it worth the £1500 I paid, hell yes.

Simon

[Stonefly]

Congrats, same as me. Got mine in January after using pc's for a long time, enjoy! :D

[MrCheeto]

I don't think you would like what Apple had to offer ten years ago so...yeah... LUL

Actually, I can hardly stand to use ANY Apple OS previous to Leopard, which is the version before the current OS, Snow Leopard.

I'd advise other people looking to switch to buy an older mac for cheap before dropping $1,500 on a new one only to find they don't like it. You got lucky, XD

[simonfoy]

I have to use my Sony upstairs, I detest it now. So clunky. I am going to get a MacBook Pro for upstairs and get rid of this Sony doorstop. Not ever going back to a PC again I am seriously hooked.

[MrCheeto]

I know how you feel. No matter what laptop it is, if it doesn't have the Johny Ive touch, I can't help but scoff at it.

[tavaren11]

Simon, this is where the ipad fits in. Unless you need a second full functioning computer that is. I'm just getting ready to dump my macbook pro for an imac27 and an ipad. Talk to your mac guy and see if you can't save yourself some cash.
Cheers
:apple:

[simonfoy]

Actually not thought of that. I dont need another laptop/. Mac is down in the living room and I need net access upstairs to surf at night. An ipad would fit the bill perfectly. Lightweight. net access, yeah sounds just what I need. I will have a serious think about it. May even give the kids the Sony and get a ipad for the bedroom

Hmmm Thanks for that matey

[tavaren11]

That's the same way I'll be using mine. Check this out. It really makes sense when it's this versatile.
Just Roo it

http://cnettv.cnet.com/how-turn-your-ipad-second-monitor-your-mac/9742-1_53-50088194.html

[tavaren11]

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/air-display/id368158927?mt=8

[Stealthipad]

New apple user here, too!

Main reason is bootcamp and the fact that the iMac will do windows 7 very well. Got rid of the little aluminum keyboard and the lame mouse and never looked back.

[SaSaSushi]

Congrats to the OP and welcome to the club!

Got rid of the little aluminum keyboard and the lame mouse and never looked back.

Not to hijack the thread, but I went for the full aluminum keyboard and number pad with my i7, the same as I had with the 24" iMac that preceded it. For me, it's the best keyboard I've ever used. The Magic Mouse, with the addition of BetterTouchTool (http://blog.boastr.net/) is also amazing and on the occasion I am forced to use lesser mice I find myself trying to do gestures unconsciously.

[Pachang]

Actually not thought of that. I dont need another laptop/. Mac is down in the living room and I need net access upstairs to surf at night. An ipad would fit the bill perfectly. Lightweight. net access, yeah sounds just what I need. I will have a serious think about it. May even give the kids the Sony and get a ipad for the bedroom

Hmmm Thanks for that matey

not to pry into family matters but....
Why do parents always give the computer they think is too old and crap for themselves to their kids?

I don't know your kids, but most kids I know push their computers far harder than their parents (games, instant messenging, constant youtube, downloading music/videos). If you find your old computer crap, I can imagine that they will find it worse.
Even if they aren't really into computers or don't use them much. Giving them a new computer will let them get more experienced with computers/the internet. If they are stuck with a little sony vaio, they just won't have the same experience and won't feel compelled to learn as much.

Of course it's up to you but I suggest you buy your kids their own new iMac!:D
They'll love you for it!!:)

[simonfoy]

Well considering one is 4 and one is 5 I think I will just give them the Sony for the time being as I dont think they will grasp the IMac just yet and they will play games on the PC.

[simonfoy]

Also it is a brand new (3 months old) 17" Sony Vaio, not crap by any standards

[MrCheeto]

Ehm, I'm not one for torrents, so I won't mention them.

The first game I remember playing was loads of fun and it was the first thing I learned to do with a computer.

Timon & Pumbaa's Jungle Games. A must-have! Honestly, I JUST installed it on my iBook clamshell a few days ago and am still playing with it.

I was somewhere's about the age of your kids :P

[Pachang]

Well considering one is 4 and one is 5 I think I will just give them the Sony for the time being as I dont think they will grasp the IMac just yet and they will play games on the PC.

haha ok that's pretty young.

Ehm, I'm not one for torrents, so I won't mention them.

The first game I remember playing was loads of fun and it was the first thing I learned to do with a computer.

Timon & Pumbaa's Jungle Games. A must-have! Honestly, I JUST installed it on my iBook clamshell a few days ago and am still playing with it.

I was somewhere's about the age of your kids :P

hahaha. I wonder how much of a benefit those games were to us as kids. I reckon they did us a lot of good.

I miss The Logical Journey of the Zoombinis :(

[MrCheeto]

I'm not saying this is true in all cases, but playing shooters since I could point and click may have helped my proficiency with firearms.

You know a study in the 90's showed that some kids that frequent arcades and had never previously handled a real weapon could out-shoot some trained officers?

[akm3]

Simon, this is where the ipad fits in. Unless you need a second full functioning computer that is. I'm just getting ready to dump my macbook pro for an imac27 and an ipad. Talk to your mac guy and see if you can't save yourself some cash.
Cheers
:apple:

Did the same thing! Sold MBP, posting this from my iPad and gazing at my 27" iMac. Computing nirvana!

[Drag'nGT]

Congrats, enjoy your Mac. It's the new guys that really help the user base grow. :D

[aiqw9182]

I don't think you would like what Apple had to offer ten years ago so...yeah... LUL

Actually, I can hardly stand to use ANY Apple OS previous to Leopard, which is the version before the current OS, Snow Leopard.

I'd advise other people looking to switch to buy an older mac for cheap before dropping $1,500 on a new one only to find they don't like it. You got lucky, XD
What was wrong with Tiger? Or even Panther for that matter?

[MrCheeto]

What's wrong with Windows 2000 or Windows ME? These systems are not fully developed to be natural and I've found them all to be nothing less than frustrating.

Leopard is when Apple finally made OS X serious. Pre-Leopard, OS X was a toy. Firstly, take a look at the interface. It says a lot about what's underneath.

Tiger looks like a plastic toy. Leopard and above looks like a professional industrial system.

Dock, Finder, System Preferences, Mail, Quicktime, they all feel awful, Pre-Leopard. I also can't live without Spaces and Time Machine.

Now you might assume I'm saying, "now that I've had "x", I can't live without it." However, Tiger is just NOT natural feeling and it frustrates me. Leopard just clicked as soon as I tried it the first time.

[aiqw9182]

What's wrong with Windows 2000 or Windows ME? These systems are not fully developed to be natural and I've found them all to be nothing less than frustrating.

Leopard is when Apple finally made OS X serious. Pre-Leopard, OS X was a toy. Firstly, take a look at the interface. It says a lot about what's underneath.

Tiger looks like a plastic toy. Leopard and above looks like a professional industrial system.

Dock, Finder, System Preferences, Mail, Quicktime, they all feel awful, Pre-Leopard. I also can't live without Spaces and Time Machine.

Now you might assume I'm saying, "now that I've had "x", I can't live without it." However, Tiger is just NOT natural feeling and it frustrates me. Leopard just clicked as soon as I tried it the first time.

You're comparing Windows ME and Windows 2000 to Tiger and Panther? LMAO! Many people consider Tiger to still be the best Mac OS out there. Its Spotlight is bar none the most useful out of both Snow Leopard and Leopard. Have you even used either operating systems or are you basing your opinion on a couple of pictures you've seen?

Spaces? Not big, half of the people that use OSX doesn't even know it exists.
Time Machine? SuperDuper (http://www.shirt-pocket.com/SuperDuper/SuperDuperDescription.html).

Also, a lot of people still use Tiger because it's the fastest Mac OS out there as well. Leopard bogged down the OS and Snow Leopard helped but it's still not as fast as Tiger was.

[MrCheeto]

Don't accuse me of just being some a-hole, I've used Tiger for a whole year on both my iBook, iMac and PowerMac G4 as well as a PowerMac G3!

I'm not comparing it to Windows, just the fact that they aren't developed enough to be completely natural. Windows XP is as natural as Windows ever was, but damn, all of its predecessors were cluster****s.

Time Machine is fully integrated within OS X. Using that third party crap would be like using a USB WiFi card as opposed to an Airport card.

I can't live without Spaces. Even when I was using Windows I wanted virtual desktops to split tasks into individual "screens."

Tiger is fastest? Really? Hm, funny I wasn't able to do most things smoothly on my G4 until I got Leopard installed on it.

If thrown back into the year 1998, I'd choose Windows 98 over OS freaking 9 any day. 2001, XP over OS X. OS X has so little to offer over Windows until Leopard.

You know, there's a reason Mac sales didn't explode until end 2007 ;)

[aiqw9182]

Don't accuse me of just being some a-hole, I've used Tiger for a whole year on both my iBook, iMac and PowerMac G4 as well as a PowerMac G3!

I'm not comparing it to Windows, just the fact that they aren't developed enough to be completely natural. Windows XP is as natural as Windows ever was, but damn, all of its predecessors were cluster****s.

Time Machine is fully integrated within OS X. Using that third party crap would be like using a USB WiFi card as opposed to an Airport card.

I can't live without Spaces. Even when I was using Windows I wanted virtual desktops to split tasks into individual "screens."

If thrown back into the year 1998, I'd choose Windows 98 over OS freaking 9 any day. 2001, XP over OS X. OS X has so little to offer over Windows until Leopard.

You know, there's a reason Mac sales didn't explode until end 2007 ;)

Tiger wasn't full developed? First time I've heard that. Especially considering the fact it was the only Mac OS with a decent search function still to this day. What was so difficult for you? Go into more detail. Surely spaces and Time Machine can't be these "click" features. :rolleyes:

Third party crap? I love when people call something crap that they've never used. It's pretty clear you have no idea what you're talking about.

You can't live without spaces? Expose and hiding apps fixed this problem a long time ago. Spaces really isn't that great.

I wasn't talking about OS9 and OSX had nothing over XP until Leopard? Give me a break. A couple of end user features that you are making out to be the next coming of Jesus Christ at the expense of the speed of the OS are far from groundbreaking.

You know why Mac sales didn't explode until the end of 2007? It's called Vista.

[MrCheeto]

LUL. But nice try.

[aiqw9182]

LUL. But nice try.
What's the matter? Can't retort an argument with actual logic? ;)

[MrCheeto]

LUL, you typed like a whole wall of text, and for what? XD it's so easy these days.

[aiqw9182]

LUL, you typed like a whole wall of text, and for what? XD it's so easy these days.

7 lines of text is a wall? Glad I wasted my time, it's pretty clear you're a 12 year old who is just talking out of his ass or trying to be a troll.

[MrCheeto]

Mhm. And look how much I care > -.-

XD

[aiqw9182]

Mhm. And look how much I care > -.-

XD

So you tried to have an argument, got shot down with all of your ridiculous claims and now try to play it off like you don't care simply because you were wrong. You lose. Good day sir. I'm not checking this thread anymore.

[MrCheeto]

LUL, lose? Hah, that's a funny way to make yourself feel like you won. Do you turn ALL menial tasks into win-lose competitions? XD Did you win when you got the last Froot-Loop this morning? XD XD XD

Oh, but you're not checking this thread, so you won't be able to respond, right? Riiiight? XD

[aiqw9182]

LUL, lose? Hah, that's a funny way to make yourself feel like you won. Do you turn ALL menial tasks into win-lose competitions? XD Did you win when you got the last Froot-Loop this morning? XD XD XD

Oh, but you're not checking this thread, so you won't be able to respond, right? Riiiight? XD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDW0ZnZxjn4

The 12 year old troll has been trolled. ;)

[G-Force]

Tiger is an awesome OS, it's still my favorite version of Mac OS X.

[MrCheeto]

I'm not checking this thread anymore.

ino, rite?

[aiqw9182]

ino, rite?

XD XD XD XD XD XD XD

IM GONNA MAKE ALL OF THESE FACES BECAUSE I CANT RESPOND TO THE ARGUMENT THINKING IM SOMEHOW ACTUALLY PROVING SOMETHING

XD XD XD

Tiger is an awesome OS, it's still my favorite version of Mac OS X.

No, you're wrong. MrCheeto says so, so it must be true.

[MrCheeto]

Hm, this is the first time I've seen such an emotional breakdown. Sad to watch, really <.<

I guess somebody DIDN'T get that last Froot-Loop...

[G-Force]

No, you're wrong. MrCheeto says so, so it must be true.
:D

[aiqw9182]

Hm, this is the first time I've seen such an emotional breakdown. Sad to watch, really <.<

I guess somebody DIDN'T get that last Froot-Loop...

LUL.

Mhm. And look how much I care > -.-

XD XD XD XD

[MrCheeto]

Tiger is an awesome OS

I'd have to respectfully disagree, there. Tiger's Finder is simply not as refined as that released in Leopard. As well, the Dock does not offer anything over Desktop icons in Windows. The Leopard Dock allows for stacks, which is far more efficient and natural than both Desktop icons and the Start menu.

Finally, though most important to me, is the interface. If the appearance didn't matter, then we'd still be using Platinum, right? Leopard is both unified and refined, so as to remove clutter from your windows and make the most often-used tasks more accessible and easy to find.

While I am enjoying Tiger on my iBook, I do still have several issues that simply make it a frustrating experience, again referring to the Dock and Finder. It's not a terrible system, just not one that I would prefer back in those days. I didn't switch until Leopard came around, and for good reason. Then again, every person is entitled to their preferences :D

[aiqw9182]

I'd have to respectfully disagree, there. Tiger's Finder is simply not as refined as that released in Leopard. As well, the Dock does not offer anything over Desktop icons in Windows. The Leopard Dock allows for stacks, which is far more efficient and natural than both Desktop icons and the Start menu.

Finally, though most important to me, is the interface. If the appearance didn't matter, then we'd still be using Platinum, right? Leopard is both unified and refined, so as to remove clutter from your windows and make the most often-used tasks more accessible and easy to find.

While I am enjoying Tiger on my iBook, I do still have several issues that simply make it a frustrating experience, again referring to the Dock and Finder. It's not a terrible system, just not one that I would prefer back in those days. I didn't switch until Leopard came around, and for good reason. Then again, every person is entitled to their preferences :D

Tiger's Finder is simply not as refined? Why? Cover flow? :rolleyes:

Hey genius, you can add stacks in Tiger. The only difference is that they have to be in list view.

Leopard's UI is far from being unified. It's a different shade of metal, big whoop. Why are there still Marble scroll bars in some applications if it's so "unified".

Everything you've listed has minimal impact on the user. The only thing worth noting in Leopard that you haven't even bothered to mention is Quick Look. If anything, Leopard was a down grade in terms of search functionality and the overall speed of the OS.

[G-Force]

In my opinion, Tiger's Dock and menu bar look more professional. I hate Leopard's menu bar (both opaque and translucent) and Dock. Also, Stacks doesn't really offer me any more than folders in the Dock in Tiger, both allow me to browse my content, though Leopard does it a little bit prettier. Spotlight also was a LOT better in Tiger, I mean the result browser by that.

I don't use Tiger anymore because some software refuses to work with it, but I really hope Apple's next OS will be as nice again as Tiger was.

[MrCheeto]

The greatest reason I prefer Leopard's stacks, is that it allows me to view my files and folders and make a selection in a Full-Icon view, while opening a minimal number of windows. I was never a fan of list views, or the fact that opening a folder in OS 9 creates a new window. Building onto this functionality is Snow Leopard's drillable stacks. The only time I ever have to open a Finder window is when doing some complex tasks, like cleaning out preferences and libraries, so I don't have to drill down to the same folder over and over.

The menu-bar is debatable. I am personally annoyed by the transparent Menu since the window titles can't be transparent as well. Nor does the menu match the window titles! However, the Black Apple is toz better than the blue one :P

Spotlight seems to look more deeply through folders in Tiger, which can be confusing and clog up the results. Searching for almost any word will bring up results in the Developer folder, lots of them! The only way to improve this beyond both Leopard and Tiger would be to allow a configurable amount of drilling or to exclude certain folders.

I hope the next version of OS X is more cleaned up and refined. Blue menu bars with grey titles? Come ON!

I just hope Snow Leopard sticks around for as long as Tiger did. Developers STILL haven't taken advantage of OS X's offerings. Leopard was so short lived, it seems rushed, perhaps a stop-gap.

[aiqw9182]

The greatest reason I prefer Leopard's stacks, is that it allows me to view my files and folders and make a selection in a Full-Icon view, while opening a minimal number of windows. I was never a fan of list views, or the fact that opening a folder in OS 9 creates a new window. Building onto this functionality is Snow Leopard's drillable stacks. The only time I ever have to open a Finder window is when doing some complex tasks, like cleaning out preferences and libraries, so I don't have to drill down to the same folder over and over.

The menu-bar is debatable. I am personally annoyed by the transparent Menu since the window titles can't be transparent as well. Nor does the menu match the window titles! However, the Black Apple is toz better than the blue one :P

Spotlight seems to look more deeply through folders in Tiger, which can be confusing and clog up the results. Searching for almost any word will bring up results in the Developer folder, lots of them! The only way to improve this beyond both Leopard and Tiger would be to allow a configurable amount of drilling or to exclude certain folders.

I hope the next version of OS X is more cleaned up and refined. Blue menu bars with grey titles? Come ON!

I just hope Snow Leopard sticks around for as long as Tiger did. Developers STILL haven't taken advantage of OS X's offerings. Leopard was so short lived, it seems rushed, perhaps a stop-gap.

I'm sorry but anyone who thinks this:
http://www.altgilbers.com/images/leopardSpotlightWindow.jpg

is better than this:
http://www.altgilbers.com/images/tigerSpotlightWindow.jpg

is out of their mind.

[SaSaSushi]

Wow, way to thread hijack.

So far as I can recall, this thread was about simonfoy's satisfied purchase of a brand new 27" iMac.

This bickering doesn't even belong in this forum, much less this thread.