iTMS Canada November 26?

[MacRumors]

According to one unconfirmed source, marketing materials are being completed for a November 26th announcement of a localized version of the iTMS for Canada. Details are slim, but songs are expected to be listed at $0.99 Canadian.

[dho]

w00t!

good news for my canadian relatives


l really hope this is true

[MacinDoc]

According to one unconfirmed source, marketing materials are being completed for a November 26th announcement of a localized version of the iTMS for Canada. Details are slim, but songs are expected to be listed at $0.99 Canadian.
Not a bad deal for Canadian customers, considering the 78¢ Canadian dollar...

[Mudbug]

Not a bad deal for Canadian customers, considering the 78¢ Canadian dollar...

I thought the same thing - but then again, this is page 2 for a reason :)

[Veldek]

Wow, not much interest for such a big news (if true, of course). I really hope it's true this time, because it's not the first time this rumor comes up...

[Zaty]

I hope it's true, it would be great if Apple finally starts bringing iTMS to more than four countries. I wonder what's happening in Europe as rumours mills have been quiet for some time now, which is surprising as it's October 12 already and the opening of the pan-European store should be imminent. There's to hoping...

[AmigoMac]

a monthly rumor ... may we hope this time is true...

[Stella]

I really hope this is true, but, I doubt it :-(

[HoserHead]

Wow, not much interest for such a big news (if true, of course). I really hope it's true this time, because it's not the first time this rumor comes up...
I would be a big supporter of the iTMS Canada, but I've been burned on enough of these rumours that I'm taking a "I'll believe it when I see it" attitude. If and when the iTMS shows up, I'll give credence to MacRumours, but this is the third time a rumour of this time has been posted (in my counting).

[HoserHead]

I thought the same thing - but then again, this is page 2 for a reason :)
$0.99 is perfectly reasonable for the country. PureTracks, Canada's equivalent of O2 in England, sells most tracks for $0.99 and most albums for $9.99. It's WMA only, and has a sucky interface, but it's one of the only services around, and a lot of third-party services are just rebranding PureTracks these days. iTMS can't come soon enough.

[telecomm]

Hmm... Is this from the same people responsible for the June 15th rumor? ;)

[Flying Llama]

It would be great, but I don't think it will happen...

[iEric]

thank god! if iTMS Canada came out...YEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAY!

[puff_daddy_58_9]

the source is a very good friend of mine working in a major canadian music publisher and distributor. She is in marketing for the project, working on this and other joint ventures with apple. She also said there is going to be more than just this announced on november 26th (perhaps an apple toronto store?)

I am trying to get more info from her, but with confidentiality agreements, she is very hesitant to do so. I still consider the nov. 26th date to be true.

[wordmunger]

If this is true, then instead of Canada moaning about how everyone else has ITMS, everyone else will be moaning about how ITMS Canada charges only $.77 U.S. I guess turnabout is fair play...

[stcanard]

everyone else will be moaning about how ITMS Canada charges only $.77 U.S. I guess turnabout is fair play...

Yeah, but the way our dollar is going all too soon we'll be complaining about how the Americans are only paying $0.77 CDN! :D

[MacinDoc]

If this is true, then instead of Canada moaning about how everyone else has ITMS, everyone else will be moaning about how ITMS Canada charges only $.77 U.S. I guess turnabout is fair play...
Yes, we'd have a bunch of Americans trying to purchase iTunes through Canadian stores, just like we have with prescription drugs and on-line Canadian pharmacies...

Traditionally, though, I agree, Canadians have frequently been hosed by Apple Canada with respect to prices and exchange rates.

[Dessert Whip]

I thought it was going to be June 15th?

[stcanard]

I thought it was going to be June 15th?

No, you misunderstood. The _rumor_ was going to be on June 15th, not the store!

Fortunately we get frequently servicepacked rumors so it's never out of date.

[alirio]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Stop teasing us poor, already wounded from no hockey season Canadians!

:cool:

[mattroberts]

I wish this were true - but i have no faith.

If apple was bringing itunes to us they might want to get their hands on the itunes.ca website. As of today the site is still pointing to musicdownload.ca. If they haven't already sent a cease a desist order there i doubt a launch is imminent.

just my 2 cents

[agentkow]

I wish this were true - but i have no faith.

If apple was bringing itunes to us they might want to get their hands on the itunes.ca website. As of today the site is still pointing to musicdownload.ca. If they haven't already sent a cease a desist order there i doubt a launch is imminent.

just my 2 cents

Couldn't Apple own the site already and redirect it anywhere they want?

[tobyc]

I hope this is true but I like others here will beleive it when I see it.

Oh and to those who are complaining that the Canadian price will seem lower than the US one remember that we have much less purchasing power so something that costs us .77c US would normally cost you .99c take a look at the price of cars or computers or even hamburgers. We pay significantly less for the same product than you do in US dollars but we also on average make less money and so our purchasing power is lower as well.

[Windowlicker]

now this is good news :)

...so when do we get this in Finland? :confused:

[nawk]

Yeah, but the way our dollar is going all too soon we'll be complaining about how the Americans are only paying $0.77 CDN! :D

Yes, but the current predications are for an $0.85 CDN dollar to appear before then end of the year -- so the gap, and hopefully the complaining, will narrow :)

Regards,

Leroy

[mattroberts]

Couldn't Apple own the site already and redirect it anywhere they want?

Yes, but it doesn't. the site is owned by 3824110 Canada Inc.

I checked out who owns 3824110 - Its registered through a Canadian while the mailing address is in California (see link). Probably just a shell to protect people using these somewhat questionable tactics on domain names.

http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/cgi-bin/sc_mrksv/corpdir/dataOnline/corpns_re?company_select=3824110

Sooooo..... Its probably not apple.

cheers
m

[michelc]

Those are not redirecting to apple.com or apple.fr...

So i Would say it is not a deal braker for apple to hvae those domain names

[Agent Smith]

LIES!!! ALL OF THEM!!!

Excuse me, I'm a bit skeptical...

[Whyren]

I wish this were true - but i have no faith.

If apple was bringing itunes to us they might want to get their hands on the itunes.ca website. As of today the site is still pointing to musicdownload.ca. If they haven't already sent a cease a desist order there i doubt a launch is imminent.

just my 2 cents

Yes, but they don't have itunes.de or itunes.co.uk either.

[swissmann]

What... Canada doesn't have ITMS yet??? :rolleyes:

[~Shard~]

Good news, and about time! Let's hope the rumor is right this time... ;)

It'll be interesting to see what the exact price will be for tracks, as well. $0.99 makes sense, and with the strengthening Canadian dollar and weakening American dollar, there isn't much difference, however if the CAD dollar begins to slide again, the Canadian iTMS might be quite the bargain for American music shoppers - just like prescription drugs.... :cool:

[Super Dave]

Couldn't Apple own the site already and redirect it anywhere they want?

rodgerso@Daves-PowerBook:~$ whois itunes.ca
Status: EXIST
Registrar: MyID.ca (Creative Pixels Inc.)
Registrar-no: 25309
Registrant-no: 116185
Domaine-no: 638626
Subdomain: itunes.ca
Renewal-Date: 2005/05/01
Date-Approved: 2003/05/01
Date-Modified: 2004/05/01
Organization: 3824110 Canada INC.
Description:
Admin-Name: Nahed Majzoub
Admin-Title:
Admin-Postal: 3824110 Canada INC.

Irvine United States of America
Admin-Phone:
Admin-Fax:
Admin-Mailbox: 3824110@mailbox.ca
Tech-Name: Tina Hanbidge
Tech-Title:
Tech-Postal:
Irvine United States of America
Tech-Phone:
Tech-Fax:
Tech-Mailbox: tina@mailbox.ca
NS1-Hostname: ns.www1.ca
NS1-Netaddress: 216.127.92.99
NS2-Hostname: ns2.www1.ca
NS2-Netaddress: 216.127.92.99
NS3-Hostname:
NS3-Netaddress:
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Doesn't look like Apple. But who knows.

David :cool:

[Super Dave]

If this is true than all of my inclusions of:

PS- iTunes Music Store for Canada!!!!

at the end of all of my feedback on Apple products has not been in vain. I mean obviously it's my feedback that makes Apple do things. Right?

David :cool:

[ct77]

If this is true, then instead of Canada moaning about how everyone else has ITMS, everyone else will be moaning about how ITMS Canada charges only $.77 U.S. I guess turnabout is fair play...

This is not to gloat at all, but, it's always been this way -- CD's have been and are less expensive in Canada than in the United States.

[Tulse]

The National Post has a story in its financial section (www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html?id=db69b6ed-dcec-4029-b3b8-425bbdc194ae) where it claims "sources" say that iTunes is coming to Canada (a subscription, which I don't have, is necessary to access the complete story -- perhaps someon with a print edition can fill in the details?). The story is even promoted on the front page of the print edition. While I have serious misgivings about the journalistic quality of the National Post, they are generally respected for their business coverage, and I can't imagine them promoting a story on the front page if they weren't reasonably sure, and had independent sources.

[~Shard~]

The National Post has a story in its financial section (www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html?id=db69b6ed-dcec-4029-b3b8-425bbdc194ae) where it claims "sources" say that iTunes is coming to Canada (a subscription, which I don't have, is necessary to access the complete story -- perhaps someon with a print edition can fill in the details?). The story is even promoted on the front page of the print edition. While I have serious misgivings about the journalistic quality of the National Post, they are generally respected for their business coverage, and I can't imagine them promoting a story on the front page if they weren't reasonably sure, and had independent sources.

There probably is some truth to it then. And that's not really that hard to fathom either, as iTMS has been around for a while now, and iTMS Canada has been rumored since June or July. Enough time has probably gone by now for Apple to sort out what it needs to sort out in Canada and I could see a launch on the near future, or November as this latest rumor predicts. With other online music services already here (i.e. Napster) there are obvious no huge, insurmountable issues with doing the online music store thing in Canada, so hopefully Apple has done what it needs to do and I'll be ale to buy some tunes for Christmas. :cool:

[Super Dave]

There probably is some truth to it then. And that's not really that hard to fathom either, as iTMS has been around for a while now, and iTMS Canada has been rumored since June or July. Enough time has probably gone by now for Apple to sort out what it needs to sort out in Canada and I could see a launch on the near future, or November as this latest rumor predicts. With other online music services already here (i.e. Napster) there are obvious no huge, insurmountable issues with doing the online music store thing in Canada, so hopefully Apple has done what it needs to do and I'll be ale to buy some tunes for Christmas. :cool:

Napster is here? Who knew?

David :cool:

[Elan0204]

Traditionally, though, I agree, Canadians have frequently been hosed by Apple Canada with respect to prices and exchange rates.

Well if the prices in the iTMS are not as good as you would like to see, this time you can thank the record companies for screwing you over, not Apple Canada.

I'd imagine Apple is fighting hard for a $0.99 price point.

[Super Dave]

<snip>Traditionally, though, I agree, Canadians have frequently been hosed by Apple Canada with respect to prices and exchange rates.

I don't know about other times, but I know the last 2 computers I bought were cheaper in Canada then they were in the US when the dollar was converted. I realize there are more factors involved, like figuring out work hours based on local minimum wages, average wages, etc. But I liked the deal.

David :cool:

[Super Dave]

Lots of things are lesse expensive in Canada so a less expensive iTunes Music Store wouldn't surprise me much. I don't understand how anyone in the US even considers buying a DVD at the prices they're at.

David :cool:

[ferratus]

I think this is merely a evil ploy by the staff to let the previous "iTMS Canada on June 15" thread die ;)

Seriously, I hope it's true this time. I need this!

[Super Dave]

<snip> I need this!

It would sure make Christmas easy for people who live on the other side of the country from me.

David :cool:

[Inkmonkey]

Music giant readies Canadian launch: Market braces for Apple's download division, iTunes

National Post
Wed 13 Oct 2004
Page: FP1 / Front
Section: Financial Post
Byline: Robert Thompson
Source: Financial Post

ITunes, Apple Computer Inc.'s hugely popular online music service, is gearing up for a Canadian launch that could come as early as next month, music industry sources say.

The launch of a Canadian iTunes store would dramatically alter the digital music landscape in Canada.

To date, only Puretracks.com, Archambault.ca and Napster.ca have operated in Canada.

ITunes, the world's most successful legal downloading service, with 125 million paid downloads in the U.S. since launching in April, 2003, skipped this country earlier this year over copyright issues. In June this year, Apple launched iTunes in Europe, selling 800,000 downloads in its first week.

Phil Leigh, an analyst with Inside Digital Media in the U.S., said Apple's iTunes, in conjunction with its iPod MP3 player, now defines legal downloading for many consumers.

"ITunes and the iPod have lived up to the hype," said Mr. Leigh, noting Apple controls more than 70% of the digital downloading market in the U.S.

An Apple representative has met with Canada's four major recording labels in order to secure songs for the service, sources say. The sources added the launch could be delayed until February if Apple can't get its promotional material prepared in time for next month.

Apple's Canadian officials said yesterday they do not comment on rumour.

Apple skipped Canada earlier because it could not reach an agreement on royalties with the Canadian Musical Reproduction Rights Agency Ltd., an organization seeking a tariff on digital music sales.

But it is now believed Apple will go ahead with its Canadian plans despite the uncertainty over the copyright issue.

Mr. Leigh said Apple will likely unleash a marketing blitz to promote an iTunes launch in Canada.

"It makes sense for them to be really aggressive in promoting iTunes because it also promotes iPod sales," he said.

Alistair Mitchell, co-chief executive of Puretracks.com, the first legal downloading service in Canada (it launched last year) said he has heard rumours of an iTunes launch and has noted an increase in advertising in Canada for the iPod.

However, he believes increased interest in digital downloading should be beneficial for Puretracks, which already has partnership arrangements with Bell Canada and TELUS Corp.

"I think they'll have a great impact on the space because of the money and marketing they bring to the area," Mr. Mitchell said.

Mr. Mitchell would not disclose how many downloads Puretracks has had to date. Puretracks.com is owned by Moontaxi Media Inc., Records on Wheels, Key Publishers, Universal Music Canada and EMI Music Canada.

Mr. Mitchell said downloads on Puretracks.com are of a higher quality than what iTunes is offering in the United States, a factor he expects consumers will notice.

Mr. Mitchell would not say how Puretracks.com plans to respond to the launch of iTunes.

"I'll leave that as an element of surprise," he said. "But it'll all be about promoting our quality."

[agentkow]

I went to Puretracks to check out that "quality" claim, but they wouldn't let me into their site, kind of like they won't comment on how "many" tracks they have sold.

Then I went and found it somewhere else, so my question is: is 192k WMA really higher quality than 128k AAC?

[smack416]

I went to Puretracks to check out that "quality" claim, but they wouldn't let me into their site...so my question is: is 192k WMA really higher quality than 128k AAC?

The simple answer is that 128K AAC is FAR SUPERIOR to a protected 192K WMA because I can actually listen to it at work, home, or on my iPod. I think all you get with the WMA files is an error unless you have something called a PC.

[mattroberts]

Music giant readies Canadian launch: Market braces for Apple's download division, iTunes

My skepticism is slowly evaporating - but February is along way off hope they can get it together before then.

[agentkow]

Just something I noticed while putting the date of November 26 into my day planner...

Why do it on a Friday? The 23rd is the traditional "new realease" Tuesday, while Thursday is American Thanksgiving, so would they really release it on the day after Turkey day?

I seem to remember Panther coming out on a Friday, but otherwise is this likely?

[~Shard~]

Just something I noticed while putting the date of November 26 into my day planner...

Why do it on a Friday? The 23rd is the traditional "new realease" Tuesday, while Thursday is American Thanksgiving, so would they really release it on the day after Turkey day?

I seem to remember Panther coming out on a Friday, but otherwise is this likely?

Who cares, I'll take an iTMS Canada announcement on a Sunday at 3:41 AM!!! ;)

[rodnarms]

Please visit the canada.com article about this at

http://www.canada.com/components/printstory/printstory4.aspx?id=db69b6ed-dcec-4029-b3b8-425bbdc194aeMarket prepares for iTunes Canada Launch (http://www.canada.com/components/printstory/printstory4.aspx?id=db69b6ed-dcec-4029-b3b8-425bbdc194ae)

Robert Thompson Financial Post October 13, 2004 ITunes, Apple Computer Inc.'s hugely popular online music service, is gearing up for a Canadian launch that could come as early as next month, music industry sources say. The launch of a Canadian iTunes store would dramatically alter the digital music landscape in Canada. To date, only Puretracks.com, Archambault.ca and Napster.ca have operated in Canada. ITunes, the world's most successful legal downloading service, with 125 million paid downloads in the U.S. since launching in April, 2003, skipped this country earlier this year over copyright issues. In June this year, Apple launched iTunes in Europe, selling 800,000 downloads in its first week. Phil Leigh, an analyst with Inside Digital Media in the U.S., said Apple's iTunes, in conjunction with its iPod MP3 player, now defines legal downloading for many consumers. "ITunes and the iPod have lived up to the hype," said Mr. Leigh, noting Apple controls more than 70% of the digital downloading market in the U.S. An Apple representative has met with Canada's four major recording labels in order to secure songs for the service, sources say. The sources added the launch could be delayed until February if Apple can't get its promotional material prepared in time for next month. Apple's Canadian officials said yesterday they do not comment on rumour. Apple skipped Canada earlier because it could not reach an agreement on royalties with the Canadian Musical Reproduction Rights Agency Ltd., an organization seeking a tariff on digital music sales. But it is now believed Apple will go ahead with its Canadian plans despite the uncertainty over the copyright issue. Mr. Leigh said Apple will likely unleash a marketing blitz to promote an iTunes launch in Canada. "It makes sense for them to be really aggressive in promoting iTunes because it also promotes iPod sales," he said. Alistair Mitchell, co-chief executive of Puretracks.com, the first legal downloading service in Canada (it launched last year) said he has heard rumours of an iTunes launch and has noted an increase in advertising in Canada for the iPod. However, he believes increased interest in digital downloading should be beneficial for Puretracks, which already has partnership arrangements with Bell Canada and Telus Corp. "I think they'll have a great impact on the space because of the money and marketing they bring to the area," Mr. Mitchell said. Mr. Mitchell would not disclose how many downloads Puretracks has had to date. Puretracks.com is owned by Moontaxi Media Inc., Records on Wheels, Key Publishers, Universal Music Canada and EMI Music Canada. Mr. Mitchell said downloads on Puretracks.com are of a higher quality than what iTunes is offering in the United States, a factor he expects consumers will notice. Mr. Mitchell would not say how Puretracks.com plans to respond to the launch of iTunes. "I'll leave that as an element of surprise," he said. "But it'll all be about promoting our quality." © National Post 2004

[Nermal]

That's the exact same article that was posted 5 hours ago.

[aswitcher]

That's the exact same article that was posted 5 hours ago.

Don't worry Nermal, I notice you ;)

Now, if you can find the same thing for Oz I would appreciate it :p

[RStone]

Just something I noticed while putting the date of November 26 into my day planner...

Why do it on a Friday? The 23rd is the traditional "new realease" Tuesday, while Thursday is American Thanksgiving, so would they really release it on the day after Turkey day?

I seem to remember Panther coming out on a Friday, but otherwise is this likely?

Apple Canada won't be concerned with releasing near American Thanksgiving. We just had ours. Only thing different up here on that day is the television schedule. :P

This definitely sounds promising. The National Post is one of the 2 major national papers (other being the Globe and Mail) in Canada. And I must say it's about damn time, considering so many of the popular artists are coming from Canada now. And I personally can't wait to see an Apple Store in the Eaton Centre... :D

[puff_daddy_58_9]

well, you are welcome for getting the news about a week early. I know it was unverified so they had to stick it on page 2, but hopefully in the future I can be considered a more reliable source.

My source at a major canadian music distributor says that the date isn't changing either, since the date is on all their promotional materials. Perhaps they will announce it before the general release however, and allow a week of two for marketing before it goes live.

[stcanard]

Please visit the canada.com article about this at

http://www.canada.com/components/printstory/printstory4.aspx?id=db69b6ed-dcec-4029-b3b8-425bbdc194aeMarket prepares for iTunes Canada Launch (http://www.canada.com/components/printstory/printstory4.aspx?id=db69b6ed-dcec-4029-b3b8-425bbdc194ae)

Problem is Global has a tendency to be only one step away from tabloid reporting :(

I'll be less skeptical when it hits a real news source.

[SilvorX]

if its true, then w00t :)

by starting off the new store, they should bring in some exclusive material by the guess who and neil young to start it off

*crosses fingers*

looks like pure***** might be going to the states:
http://www.canada.com/entertainment/story.html?id=12120ca0-5557-4441-9728-318b95307aa9

[~Shard~]

Problem is Global has a tendency to be only one step away from tabloid reporting :(

I'll be less skeptical when it hits a real news source.

It was reported in the National Post/Financial Post though too, was it not? Or does Global own them? ;)

[stcanard]

It was reported in the National Post/Financial Post though too, was it not? Or does Global own them? ;)

Yup :) It annoys me how many times I'm watching Global news, and they stop 1/2 way through the story and say "read the rest in tomorrow's National Post".

I've still got my fingers crossed, though!

[~Shard~]

Yup :) It annoys me how many times I'm watching Global news, and they stop 1/2 way through the story and say "read the rest in tomorrow's National Post".

I've still got my fingers crossed, though!

Gotcha, I figured as much. I have my fingers crossed as well - for some reason this rumor feels more "right" to me than the earlier one in summer. Let's hope it's true!

[stcanard]

Gotcha, I figured as much. I have my fingers crossed as well - for some reason this rumor feels more "right" to me than the earlier one in summer. Let's hope it's true!

Yeah, 3/4 of the rest of the world already has it so there's no longer an execuse :D

I look forward to the chance to start buying music again!

[~Shard~]

Yeah, 3/4 of the rest of the world already has it so there's no longer an execuse :D

I look forward to the chance to start buying music again!

Well I wouldn't go so far as to say 3/4 of the world has it... ;) But, quite a few countries have it now, so I say it's definitely a good time for us to get in on it!

[MacinDoc]

I think this rumour is true (at least the part about the date). Apple has been working with Canadian regulatory agencies for some time, and should have things sorted out by now. The only thing I'm not sure about is price, because unless Apple has a better deal with the industry for its Canadian store than it has for its U.S. store, it will lose money selling tracks at the equivalent of 80¢ U.S.

[stcanard]

The only thing I'm not sure about is price, because unless Apple has a better deal with the industry for its Canadian store than it has for its U.S. store, it will lose money selling tracks at the equivalent of 80¢ U.S.

That, I suspect is 90% of what's been holding it up.

The other 10% would be the CRIAA trying to get special considerations to enforce in contract restrictions that the courts have said are not implied by law.

[Yvan256]

I think this rumour is true (at least the part about the date). Apple has been working with Canadian regulatory agencies for some time, and should have things sorted out by now. The only thing I'm not sure about is price, because unless Apple has a better deal with the industry for its Canadian store than it has for its U.S. store, it will lose money selling tracks at the equivalent of 80¢ U.S.

And why would they lose money? Don't forget the CDs over here cost a lot less than in the USA. We regularly have brand new CDs on sale for under 15$CAN (http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/dept.asp?logon=&langid=EN&dept=16&WLBS=fsweb22&cat=Music&catid=16).

Besides, the other on-line music stores also have tracks at 0.99$CAN.

[SilvorX]

Yup :) It annoys me how many times I'm watching Global news, and they stop 1/2 way through the story and say "read the rest in tomorrow's National Post".

I've still got my fingers crossed, though!
I've never noticed that but it sure does get annoying, but then again it's one of the only media corps in canada not based in either montreal, vancouver or toronto :)
gotta love the formerly-local asper family
...
I've bought CDs for 7.99 easily, i even bought a CD for 7.99 CDN only a few months ago, and other for 10.99CDN, while the same cd in the states (not an import either) was 20.00 US, one of the first times apple isnt gypping canadians due to exchange rate ;) but then again at this rate the canadian loon could be worth a buck us in a year or two's time

[MacinDoc]

And why would they lose money? Don't forget the CDs over here cost a lot less than in the USA. We regularly have brand new CDs on sale for under 15$CAN (http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/dept.asp?logon=&langid=EN&dept=16&WLBS=fsweb22&cat=Music&catid=16).

Besides, the other on-line music stores also have tracks at 0.99$CAN.
Yes, but you pay less to buy an album than you spend buying each track on the album - there's a mark-up on individual tracks compared to the price of the album. Also, from what I've read, iTunes is about the only online music distrubutor that's making money right now.

[atomiton]

Yes, but you pay less to buy an album than you spend buying each track on the album - there's a mark-up on individual tracks compared to the price of the album. Also, from what I've read, iTunes is about the only online music distrubutor that's making money right now.

I VERY much doubt Apple isn't making a bundle off of iTms... They are probably
including all the overheads they can in order to claim that the cost of the music to them is quite expensive... especially when you look at the money it costs in Europe to buy music.

[hansen]

Not many Tuesdays left in October to fulfill the promise of new launches. Can I play an updated iBook on my iPod? NO... :p

[agentkow]

Not many Tuesdays left in October to fulfill the promise of new launches. Can I play an updated iBook on my iPod? NO... :p

Look at the title of this thread....

[clith]

Couldn't Apple own the site already and redirect it anywhere they want?
Actually, I suspect they will simply send you to the right store depending on your IP address, similar to how Google automatically redirects people from google.com to google.ca, except rather than re-directing, they will prolly just present Canadian-specific content.

It's sort of like sites that detect you are using a Mac and giving you Mac download links on the main page.

Kind of.

Like.

[~Shard~]

Can I play an updated iBook on my iPod? NO... :p

You want to play an updated iBook on your iPod? Which model, the 12" or the 14"? And this has something to do with iTMS Canada, how, exactly? :confused:

I don't want some of what you're smoking...

[hansen]

I now see Danish music in the music store. This is definitely a good sign! Tuesdays coming, my credit card is ready!

[hansen]

You want to play an updated iBook on your iPod? Which model, the 12" or the 14"? And this has something to do with iTMS Canada, how, exactly? :confused:

I don't want some of what you're smoking...

Every Tuesday used to announce something other than iTMS is well not used to announce iTMS in Canada, Denmark etc. So from a totally selfish point of view I don't want updated iBooks, I want iTMS :p

100% non-smoker!

[~Shard~]

Every Tuesday used to announce something other than iTMS is well not used to announce iTMS in Canada, Denmark etc. So from a totally selfish point of view I don't want updated iBooks, I want iTMS :p

100% non-smoker!

Gotcha, thanks for clearing that up... Nothing wrong with being selfish... ;)

[reckless_0001]

Holy Cow! I think they mixed up the months. I have "cool" feeling we are getting iTunes music store in Canada on October 26th and not November 26th :)

[~Shard~]

Holy Cow! I think they mixed up the months. I have "cool" feeling we are getting iTunes music store in Canada on October 26th and not November 26th :)

We very well might find out in a couple days! If nothing is announced on Tuesday though, perhaps it will indeed be November 26th instead. Not preferable, but better than not at all... ;)

[reckless_0001]

Hey ~Shard~,
I'm up in La Ronge. Hows the weather down there in Regina?
:D

[~Shard~]

Hey ~Shard~,
I'm up in La Ronge. Hows the weather down there in Regina?
:D

Small world, huh? Weather's not too bad today, do you guys have a lot of snow yet? ;)

Well at least we know that there are at least 2 people here in Saskatchewan that will be using iTMS Canada when it is announced! :cool:

[mike301]

I'm in Canada and I tried to access the iTMS to browse around and I was redirected to the page where you can choose an international version of the store. When I tried to enter the US store, I was redirected back to this same page. Ditto for the three other stores. In short, I can't even browse the store at all.

Has anyone else noticed this? Either it's just a bug or maybe Apple is about to launch something... :)

[~Shard~]

I'm in Canada and I tried to access the iTMS to browse around and I was redirected to the page where you can choose an international version of the store. When I tried to enter the US store, I was redirected back to this same page. Ditto for the three other stores. In short, I can't even browse the store at all.

Has anyone else noticed this? Either it's just a bug or maybe Apple is about to launch something... :)

The same thing happens to me - interesting...

[srobert]

ditto

Can't connect to the iTMS US store from Canada using iTunes 4.6. Used to be able to (last monday) to browse samples and check movie trailers.

I hope the Canadian iTMS is coming soon because now we aren't even allowed to peek through the windows of the US store anymore. :(

[~Shard~]

ditto

Can't connect to the iTMS US store from Canada using iTunes 4.6. Used to be able to (last monday) to browse samples and check movie trailers.

I hope the Canadian iTMS is coming soon because now we aren't even allowed to peek through the windows of the US store. :(

Exactly. If this is a sign, then let's hope they make the announcement bright and early tomorrow. If it's a glitch, let's hope they fix it right away! ;)

[mike301]

Holy Cow! I think they mixed up the months. I have "cool" feeling we are getting iTunes music store in Canada on October 26th and not November 26th :)

Funny, I've had the same feeling too...

[reckless_0001]

Same prob here. ;)

[feeze]

I'm in Canada and I tried to access the iTMS to browse around and I was redirected to the page where you can choose an international version of the store. When I tried to enter the US store, I was redirected back to this same page. Ditto for the three other stores. In short, I can't even browse the store at all.

Has anyone else noticed this? Either it's just a bug or maybe Apple is about to launch something... :)

The same is happening here in Australia, which has also been rumoured to be opening a store. Good sign maybe.

BTW you can still search for songs.

[stcanard]

Very interesting. Same thing with me, and that's a behaviour change from last week.

Oh great, now my hopes are up. I was trying to avoid that.

[Inkmonkey]

Here is an article that even makes mention of macrumors.com:

Apple to open iTunes music store in Canada next month

The Vancouver Sun
Wed 27 Oct 2004
Page: D4
Section: BusinessBC
Source: Ottawa Citizen

Ending months of speculation, Apple Computer Inc. said Tuesday it will launch its popular iTunes online music store in Canada next month.

But fans of the company's products -- who have been clamoring for iTunes information on websites such as Macrumors.com -- will have to wait for more details.

Apple did not provide specifics such as price and the number of songs available.

The move is the latest sign that the market for paid music downloads is maturing here as the music industry struggles to adapt to an online business model.

ITunes will go head to head with Napster.ca, launched this summer by digital-media company Roxio Inc., and Moontaxi Media Inc.'s Puretracks.com, the first paid online-music service in Canada, which has a marketing arrangement with Vancouver-based TELUS.

Quebecor Media Inc. recently introduced its own service, Archambault.ca, and retailers such as Future Shop, a unit of Best Buy Co., have licensed Puretracks' technology to launch online music stores.

Launched in spring 2003, the online iTunes store has become the dominant provider of paid online music, racking up more than 150 million downloads.

Apple has a market share of over 70 per cent in Britain and the United States, where users can download individual songs for 99 cents US.

The service has become an effective online platform for the company's iPod digital-music player, which accounted for over 12 per cent of sales in the last quarter.

ITunes should do well here, since its brand is already well recognized among music fans young and old, said analyst Kaan Yigit, president of Solutions Research.

But the service will be more effective as a tool for selling iPods than as a stand-alone business, he said, because demand for paid download services has yet to take off.

[~Shard~]

I guess MacRumors was right afterall! It may indeed by November 26th now as initially reported - well done on whoever picked this one up...

[telecomm]

It was confirmed in the media event yesterday that iTunes would open in Canada next month.

See the Macworld article (http://www.macworld.com/news/2004/10/26/itunes/index.php), for instance.

[aswitcher]

The same is happening here in Australia, which has also been rumoured to be opening a store. Good sign maybe.

BTW you can still search for songs.


I think Steve would have said something...at least hinted if it was looking good... :(

[MacinDoc]

Please clarify-- are you the hosERs or the hosEEs?
Since we've been hosed so many times by Apple Canada, is suppose that would make Apple Canada the hosERs and the rest of us Canadians the hosEEs...but perhaps that discussion would be best left to Bob and Doug Mackenzie. :D

[Raid]

Here's a direct quote I pulled off of Macnn.com (http://www.macnn.com/) about the lack of iTMS in Ireland (bold and underline are my emphasis).
....Several readers note the lack of a localized version of the iTunes Music Store for Ireland. to which Apple said "We are not announcing any new stores beyond Canada in November at this point of time.

I guess this confirms that we are getting an iTMS in November!
:) :D :D

[Yvan256]

Not a bad deal for Canadian customers, considering the 78¢ Canadian dollar...

Not really. The Canadian dollar may be stronger, but our CD prices are still lower than in the USA, and the other online music stores are also selling tracks at 99¢CAN.

It'd be a disaster for Apple NOT to sell tracks at 99¢CAN.

[molcas&e'sdad]

Has history shown that the launch of a new store in a new country coincides with the addition of artists from that country being added to the iTMS? There is some Canadian 80's hair band stuff I just gotta have ...

[iTristan]

Yes, but the current predications are for an $0.85 CDN dollar to appear before then end of the year -- so the gap, and hopefully the complaining, will narrow :)

Regards,

Leroy

...and we're already nearly at $0.83.

[~Shard~]

...and we're already nearly at $0.83.

Broke it briefly today actually! The problem with this is that as a result it also reached parity, which isn't a good thing for exporting among other things - kind of a double-edged sword really, and a little concerning...

[iTristan]

Broke it briefly today actually! The problem with this is that as a result it also reached parity, which isn't a good thing for exporting among other things - kind of a double-edged sword really, and a little concerning...

Yes, it will mean some things will be a little more difficult for some industries. But, as with all things, moderation is usually better, and with my industry sure it was easier to sell to foreigners, but it was also more expensive to buy the gear I needed to do my thing.

And at the end of the day, a more powerful dollar is helping me be more productive more than it is taking away my ability to compete internationally. A good trade-off in my mind.

[stcanard]

And at the end of the day, a more powerful dollar is helping me be more productive more than it is taking away my ability to compete internationally. A good trade-off in my mind.

Yeah, I think it's significant to note that even with the rising dollar, our budget surplus increased (the only of the G8 to have one, and the only projecting one for the next two years), and our trade surplus with the US increased.

I know in BC, with the recessions of the past decades our forestry industry rebuilt to become very efficient (side note: that's why the issue with the US; they can't compete with the efficiencies in the milling here). I bet a lot of the core industries accross the country have done the same thing.

You can't be complacent, but we're certainly on good footing.

[jimjiminyjim]

Well... having posted often enough in the old "iTunes Canada is coming soon" threads, I've avoided this one until now. I'm surprised to see nobody gloating that they've got it in europe... Somebody posted in page 1 or 2 "Great, now when will we see it in Finland" or something like that..... Looks like he/she is one lucky dude. Dude.

[Yvan256]

2004-11-07 and still no iTMS Canada.

See you tomorrow.

[MacinDoc]

2004-11-07 and still no iTMS Canada.

See you tomorrow.
Remember, the original rumor was for it to open Nov. 26. That's a Friday. Hasn't Apple had a few other music events on Fridays? I believe the Nov. 26 date is correct.

[~Shard~]

2004-11-07 and still no iTMS Canada.

See you tomorrow.

And since the title of this thread is "iTMS Canada November 26th" this surprises you? :p :cool:

[Yvan256]

Remember, the original rumor was for it to open Nov. 26. That's a Friday. Hasn't Apple had a few other music events on Fridays? I believe the Nov. 26 date is correct.

Well, to my knowledge Apple only had releases on tuesdays. Guess I was wrong.

And the original rumor is still only that, a rumor (even if we do have confirmation for november, we have no confirmation for the 26th).

Oh well, 16 days to go...

[Vigo_carpath]

Just something I noticed while putting the date of November 26 into my day planner...

Why do it on a Friday? The 23rd is the traditional "new realease" Tuesday, while Thursday is American Thanksgiving, so would they really release it on the day after Turkey day?

I seem to remember Panther coming out on a Friday, but otherwise is this likely?

You have got to be kidding me! What difference does it make if it's near a holiday in the U.S. IT'S A CANADIAN RELEASE! turkey day has come and gone.

you think something happening on Victoria Day affects what happens south of the border. HA!

[agentkow]

You have got to be kidding me! What difference does it make if it's near a holiday in the U.S. IT'S A CANADIAN RELEASE! turkey day has come and gone.

you think something happening on Victoria Day affects what happens south of the border. HA!

"He is Vigo! You are like the buzzing of flies to him!"

So anyway, I'm just saying that if Steve or someone high up is going to make this announcement, their holiday plans and if Apple employees are at work might figure into that. I don't think that our holidays have any effect on them except increased border traffic, but if they want the press for their ever-expanding music store, they would be smart to do it when people will notice.

[MacinDoc]

Further to questions as to whether Apple would have a music event on a Friday, remember that Apple had a major music in-store event featuring a 10% discount on all music-related products on Friday, November 28, 2003.

[Super Dave]

"He is Vigo! You are like the buzzing of flies to him!"

So anyway, I'm just saying that if Steve or someone high up is going to make this announcement, their holiday plans and if Apple employees are at work might figure into that. I don't think that our holidays have any effect on them except increased border traffic, but if they want the press for their ever-expanding music store, they would be smart to do it when people will notice.

Ok dude, I'm not trying to rip you up, so please understand that this is meant to be kind, but nonetheless correcting.

The word "people" does not imply in any way, shape, or form "only people from the US," nor does the word "press" imply "only US press." To everyone aside from investors (who aren't even going to notice this on their radar screen in any significant way), this is completely irrelevant to the US market, to the US press, and realistically to the US population. The only people Apple would be concerned about would be the Canadian market, and--aside from some silly comic strips in the paper--very few of us Canucks would even notice that the US thanksgiving was going on.

Once again, although I disagree with you, I do so with respect.

Peace,

David :cool:

[BugMeNot]

You will find they are selling the special edition U2 Ipod starting on November 26th...

>> Home / Portable Electronics / Personal - MP3 Players / More Apple iPods
Apple M9787 20GB iPod U2 Special Edition - Black


larger view


Online Availability:
Pre-Order: Estimated Release Date:November 26, 2004
Quantity Remaining: 97

[agentkow]

Ok dude, I'm not trying to rip you up, so please understand that this is meant to be kind, but nonetheless correcting.

Once again, although I disagree with you, I do so with respect.

Peace,

David :cool:

Point taken, no harm done. When it all comes down to it I just can't wait until that darn Music Store comes out here in Canada.

Peace out.
:o

[~Shard~]

You will find they are selling the special edition U2 Ipod starting on November 26th...

>> Home / Portable Electronics / Personal - MP3 Players / More Apple iPods
Apple M9787 20GB iPod U2 Special Edition - Black


larger view


Online Availability:
Pre-Order: Estimated Release Date:November 26, 2004
Quantity Remaining: 97

November 26th, huh? Coincidence? I think not... :cool:

[aswitcher]

November 26th, huh? Coincidence? I think not... :cool:

So what are you saying? New Black G5 eMac :eek:

[~Shard~]

So what are you saying? New Black G5 eMac :eek:

Of course not, don't be silly. I was referring to the black DP 3.0 GHz G5 PowerBook... :cool:

[jimjiminyjim]

I heard the new black powerbooks were going to see a dramatic price drop too.

[Yvan256]

So what are you saying? New Black G5 eMac :eek:

Cool, I'll take one! :D

[Yvan256]

Of course not, don't be silly. I was referring to the black DP 3.0 GHz G5 PowerBook... :cool:

Cool, I'll take one! :D

Although, you do realize there is currently rumors that the next powerbook's shell will be black carbon fiber, right?

[Yvan256]

"The iTunes Music Store is not available in your country yet.

You will be able to browse music and listen to previews, but you won't be able to purchase music. To browse a music store, click here. ->"

Okay....

"Austria, Belgium, Deutschland, Finland, France, Greece, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, United Kingdom, United States"

Okay then, "United States" (closest one, still)

"iTunes Music Store"

What the...

"The iTunes Music Store is not available in your country yet.

You will be able to browse music and listen to previews, but you won't be able to purchase music. To browse a music store, click here. ->"

I'm stuck in an endless loop! Help me!

Maybe it means iTMS Canada today or tomorrow, eh?

[~Shard~]

Cool, I'll take one! :D

Although, you do realize there is currently rumors that the next powerbook's shell will be black carbon fiber, right?

Oh, I'm well aware of that - that's partially why I threw that in, but then thought it necessary to include the DP 3.0 GHz procs as well... :cool:

[HoserHead]

I'm stuck in an endless loop! Help me!

Maybe it means iTMS Canada today or tomorrow, eh?
Check out the "iTMS Canada next month?" (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=92937) thread for even more encouraging news. In short: Canada and Ireland confirmed.

[Yvan256]

Check out the "iTMS Canada next month?" (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=92937) thread for even more encouraging news. In short: Canada and Ireland confirmed.

Well we all already knew it was coming in november for Canada, I was just trying to guess if it was coming out before the 26th.

Good news for Ireland, though!

[wdlove]

Of course not, don't be silly. I was referring to the black DP 3.0 GHz G5 PowerBook... :cool:

Sorry, but I think that is really dreaming. The 3.0 GHz will be on the Power Mac first. PowerBooks will have a long wait, even for the G5.

Apple recently hasn't been only releasing on Tuesdays. I think that it's a tactic to keep us on our toes.

So a Friday iTMS in Canada sounds good to me.

[davey-nb]

They have created their own Apple Store, in too much haste I think.

<http://www.futureshop.ca/marketing/vendor_apple/staticPC.asp?PCName=Vendor_apple_Main&logon=&langid=EN&dept=0&WLBS=fsweb24>

Their link to the iMac is all about the shaving mirror iMac and how new and revolutionary it is.
Me thinks they are just padding an ipod store to make it look like an Apple store but all they have for sale are ipods!

[mazurka]

I hope it's true, it would be great if Apple finally starts bringing iTMS to more than four countries. I wonder what's happening in Europe as rumours mills have been quiet for some time now, which is surprising as it's October 12 already and the opening of the pan-European store should be imminent. There's to hoping...

In Ireland, we're once again today getting the changed iTunes Store "not in your country" message that preceded the European launch. You may recall that all the countries involved in that launch experienced a sudden re-route to the "Choose Store" page with the flag buttons, and inclusion in the Music Store followed a few days afterwards - but that the Irish store was dropped at the last minute due to alleged copyright problems.

Well, the re-route came back in Ireland today, together with a redesigned "not available in your country yet" page. Anyone in Canada getting the same signals?

[agentkow]

Well, the re-route came back in Ireland today, together with a redesigned "not available in your country yet" page. Anyone in Canada getting the same signals?

Yup, eh.

[~Shard~]

Sorry, but I think that is really dreaming. The 3.0 GHz will be on the Power Mac first. PowerBooks will have a long wait, even for the G5.

You of course realize I was joking, right? DP (not even SP) 3.0 GHz PowerBook?! No offense but I'm surprised anyone could take that seriously.... ;) As you should know from the other threads, I am a big proponent of no dual-core G4 / G5 PowerBooks for quite some time. :cool:

[jimjiminyjim]

You were joking? I really did hear that the price would drop with the new DP Black G5 Powerbooks. Huh. Whatever. Well, anyway, I hope that the iTunes store is out by next Christmas.

[~Shard~]

Well, anyway, I hope that the iTunes store is out by next Christmas.

Will this week be acceptable enough for you? :cool:

[jimjiminyjim]

Judging by the date on your post, Shard, "this week" would now be last week.
I'd say it would've been acceptable, but you know what my theory on the hold-up on the store is? The David guy in the music business that keeps spilling the beans and a Stevio Jobsio clash.

[~Shard~]

Judging by the date on your post, Shard, "this week" would now be last week.
I'd say it would've been acceptable, but you know what my theory on the hold-up on the store is? The David guy in the music business that keeps spilling the beans and a Stevio Jobsio clash.

Very good, you can read dates! :p ;) Yes, I was assuming the release would have been on the 26th as previously rumored. No matter, I'm patient, and as long as it's soon that will be fine - just so long as I can ask for iTMS GCs for Xmas. ;) :cool:

[wdlove]

Very good, you can read dates! :p ;) Yes, I was assuming the release would have been on the 26th as previously rumored. No matter, I'm patient, and as long as it's soon that will be fine - just so long as I can ask for iTMS GCs for Xmas. ;) :cool:

It would just seem logical that the ITMS Canada would open soon. With the holidays upon us, they would miss out on a lot of sales.

[~Shard~]

It would just seem logical that the ITMS Canada would open soon. With the holidays upon us, they would miss out on a lot of sales.

Indeed - I'd be one of those lost sales for sure. :)