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CristobalHuet
Jun 9, 2010, 11:20 PM
Helloooo,

today I got my InvisibleSHIELD back (not front, using PS Anti-glare) and proceeded to put it on.

Installation didn't go very smoothly, but it wasn't catastrophic either...screwed up near the bottom where some black lint from the cloth remains, but there are worse things.

Anyway, take a look at these...are they supposed to disappear in the next few days? I pushed off the most I could (bubbles), but these ones I couldn't.

Please let me know, I'm OCD'ing here lol.

(PS - the pictures were taken with my iSight, not exactly best quality, so there are no scratches, just bubbles like mad.)


http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/3149/photoon20100609at23593.jpg
http://img816.imageshack.us/img816/9214/photoon20100609at23592.jpg
http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/7775/photoon20100609at2359.jpg



robby818
Jun 10, 2010, 12:19 AM
My experience with applying invisible shield is that it is best to use lots of soapy water. I put a few drops of dishwashing soap into a large bowl, pour in water, foam it up, and then soak the shield in the water. Lay the shield carefully down on the iphone/ipad. You may have to lift it up a few times and re-soak it in the soap solution. Most times I don't squeegee it, just let it dry on its own. Also, do it in your bathroom (dust free as possible).

If you contact invisibleshield they will send you a replacement for free. :)

maestrokev
Jun 10, 2010, 12:19 AM
Small, very flat bubbles will work itself out over a week, if there are big bubbles (hard to tell from your photos) they won't go away. If that's the case it's better to redo.

xraytech
Jun 10, 2010, 12:24 AM
Helloooo,

today I got my InvisibleSHIELD back (not front, using PS Anti-glare) and proceeded to put it on.

Installation didn't go very smoothly, but it wasn't catastrophic either...screwed up near the bottom where some black lint from the cloth remains, but there are worse things.

Anyway, take a look at these...are they supposed to disappear in the next few days? I pushed off the most I could (bubbles), but these ones I couldn't.

Please let me know, I'm OCD'ing here lol.

(PS - the pictures were taken with my iSight, not exactly best quality, so there are no scratches, just bubbles like mad.)


http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/3149/photoon20100609at23593.jpg
http://img816.imageshack.us/img816/9214/photoon20100609at23592.jpg
http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/7775/photoon20100609at2359.jpg

Sorry to say, you're hosed.

How much fluid did you use? I go to town with the fluid almost emptying out the bottle.

CristobalHuet
Jun 10, 2010, 08:00 AM
:(

I used the entire bottle of fluid.

I just removed it, cut two parts though (one for the Apple logo, one of the "iPad" on the bottom so they don't scratch)...just a temporary solution until I get my new one.

So in the end, the best way is to not use a lot of fluid? Or use a lot of fluid?
robby you said dish soap and water foamed up, but wouldn't there be risk of water damage with that?

Anyway, thanks for your answers...sigh.

master-ceo
Jun 10, 2010, 08:51 AM
looks like chicken pocks. lol. It should clear up with some calamine lotion :D

nidserz
Jun 10, 2010, 10:03 AM
:(

I used the entire bottle of fluid.

I just removed it, cut two parts though (one for the Apple logo, one of the "iPad" on the bottom so they don't scratch)...just a temporary solution until I get my new one.

So in the end, the best way is to not use a lot of fluid? Or use a lot of fluid?
robby you said dish soap and water foamed up, but wouldn't there be risk of water damage with that?

Anyway, thanks for your answers...sigh.

Dang, that sucks dude.
Just call Zagg and explain to them your problem and they will likely send you a replacement for free.
Also, watch "how-to" videos on YouTube, there are tons and can be helpful.

I don't know why there are so many bubbles. Give it a good cleaning and maybe use an air can to remove any dust. Dust particles could be removed using the tape method (again, YouTube).

I have an InvisibleShield and Wrapsol, but waiting to go back to Canada and get an iPad so I have been watching videos so I don't screw up.

Good luck and let us know what Zagg says.

robby818
Jun 10, 2010, 12:04 PM
:(

I used the entire bottle of fluid.

I just removed it, cut two parts though (one for the Apple logo, one of the "iPad" on the bottom so they don't scratch)...just a temporary solution until I get my new one.

So in the end, the best way is to not use a lot of fluid? Or use a lot of fluid?
robby you said dish soap and water foamed up, but wouldn't there be risk of water damage with that?

Anyway, thanks for your answers...sigh.

Put masking tape over the open ports but yeah use lots of soap/water...I don't bother with the little spray bottle because it is not enough fluid and I prefer soaking the shield in the soap water for a minute before applying. The water soaked shield helps you position it correctly and will also reduce the air bubbles.

Another option - My local shopping mall has an invisible shield kiosk. they will apply the film for you and they do a bang up job. I have never watched them do it so not sure what their technique is...

CristobalHuet
Jun 10, 2010, 12:53 PM
Hey, did you follow the instruction while installing ?

I did, but they're not very helpful. "apply solution to adhesive while facing up"..."apply to iPad". :p

The video is pretty good.

Dang, that sucks dude.
Just call Zagg and explain to them your problem and they will likely send you a replacement for free.
Also, watch "how-to" videos on YouTube, there are tons and can be helpful.

I don't know why there are so many bubbles. Give it a good cleaning and maybe use an air can to remove any dust. Dust particles could be removed using the tape method (again, YouTube).

I have an InvisibleShield and Wrapsol, but waiting to go back to Canada and get an iPad so I have been watching videos so I don't screw up.

Good luck and let us know what Zagg says.

Unfortunately, Zagg told me they don't cover installation issues and as such, I can't get a new one. :( I went ahead and ordered the Bestskinsever body combo, it cost less than the InvisibleShield and it's of great quality, apparently.

I tried to do what you say, but the minute I removed the shield, it expanded in such a way I couldn't put it back on (it got too stretched out). After that I called up Zagg, then went to their website, got the same answer twice, and ordered the BSE.

Thanks for your advice, I really appreciate it. I don't blame Zagg for not offering me a new one, I f*cked up, not them.

Put masking tape over the open ports but yeah use lots of soap/water...I don't bother with the little spray bottle because it is not enough fluid and I prefer soaking the shield in the soap water for a minute before applying. The water soaked shield helps you position it correctly and will also reduce the air bubbles.


I'll consider this when I get my BSE (pretty much the same thing as the IS). I'm just worried that if I do this that the water will somehow find its way to the screen edges and damage it/void my warranty (water damage sensor).

Thanks for your help guys, when I get my BSE, I'll try and be more patient/calmer while applying it. I was stressed out while applying the IS, and it bit me in the ass.

Ingram
Jun 10, 2010, 02:39 PM
You don't want to soak the shield dripping wet, but you want the adhesive side to be wet all over, the fluid (soapy water or Windex) prevent the adhesive side to stick, so you are able to *glide* the shield on iPad's surface. Once you align the shield, use a squeegee to gently push out the excess fluid and bubbles.

My method to prepare the shield is to pour soapy water/windex into a big shallow dish, dip the shield (adhesive side down), to have a thin layer of fluid coat the adhesive side. You can shake the shield or with wet fingers, wipe out some excess fluid.

jtara
Jun 10, 2010, 03:18 PM
No normal person can install an InvisibleShield perfectly. Most of us have trouble doing it imperfectly.

They will ship you a replacement as a courtesy. Just tell them how much trouble you had.

Your best bet, though, is to take it to the place in the mall. They have abnormal people who know how to do this.

xraytech
Jun 10, 2010, 09:23 PM
:(

I used the entire bottle of fluid.

I just removed it, cut two parts though (one for the Apple logo, one of the "iPad" on the bottom so they don't scratch)...just a temporary solution until I get my new one.

So in the end, the best way is to not use a lot of fluid? Or use a lot of fluid?
robby you said dish soap and water foamed up, but wouldn't there be risk of water damage with that?

Anyway, thanks for your answers...sigh.

MORE FLUID!!!

Check this guy out. He makes it look crazy easy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPF0EelYHm4

maestrokev
Jun 10, 2010, 11:15 PM
I've installed about a dozen shield products on various products. I used to buy Invisible Shield but their prices even after 50% off is ridiculous. I'm in Canada so the shipping charge is even more outrageous. I now only buy BestSkinEver and it is identically in every way but much much cheaper.

The key is to use a very fine mist, that's where their spray bottle is helpful. If the water droplets are too big it's harder to squeegee out. It's also very important there's enough soap as that gives you the slippery contact to make it easy to squeegee, I assume you remembered to spray both sides? I don't spray my device as that adds too much liquid.

The minute you finish spraying both sides of the shield and apply to the gadget you have to start working out the bubbles with the plastic card. If you wait, it will stick too much. The amount of bubbles in your photo suggest you didn't make it soapy slippery enough and you didn't squeegee in time so the outsides had adhered before you could push out from the center.

IS will replace if it is, ahem, damaged, but not during install.

There should only be a few flat bubbles when you're done, and those will work out after a week. I've used BSE shields and IS shields on 13" and 15" MacBook Pro's and never had a bubble remain after a week. Just make sure you get the room dust free as per my hint above. Good luck.

awmazz
Jun 11, 2010, 05:06 AM
MORE FLUID!!!

Check this guy out. He makes it look crazy easy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPF0EelYHm4

+1

Chow's the man when it comes to showing how this is done.

xraytech
Jun 11, 2010, 09:47 PM
If bubbles are a chronic issue when you apply an overlay, try http://www.gelaskins.com/

The artwork will hide all the bubbles. =)

cloroxbleach4
Jun 11, 2010, 09:49 PM
Those are some serious bubbles. You gotta work from one side to the other all the while pushing out the bubbles.

But give it a week or so and most of them should work itself out. Just hope for the best and if not you're in the same position anyway.

antiprotest
Jun 11, 2010, 10:01 PM
1. Take a key in your hand.

2. Put the iPad down with the back facing up.

3. Put the key on the iPad.

4. Close your eyes.

5. Scratch your iPad all over with the key for at least 10 seconds.

6. Open your eyes.

Now your iPad is invincible. You are free.

xraytech
Jun 11, 2010, 10:20 PM
1. Take a key in your hand.

2. Put the iPad down with the back facing up.

3. Put the key on the iPad.

4. Close your eyes.

5. Scratch your iPad all over with the key for at least 10 seconds.

6. Open your eyes.

Now your iPad is invincible. You are free.

Or you can do that.

Funny my sister did that with my new car. She said, "Might as well get it out of the way." XD

antiprotest
Jun 11, 2010, 10:22 PM
Or you can do that.

Funny my sister did that with my new car. She said, "Might as well get it out of the way." XD

I don't have to do it because I am using my iPad without worries. If it scratches, it scratches. If the screen scratches, I will throw it out and buy a new one. So I am already free.

It is better to enjoy it and let it scratch than to be so careful with it that it takes away the enjoyment. If there is a way to do both, fine.

A car is the prime example. People are less likely to mess with those cars that are old and all banged up. Those people have nothing to lose. lol

xraytech
Jun 11, 2010, 10:26 PM
I don't have to do it because I am using my iPad without worries. If it scratches, it scratches. If the screen scratches, I will throw it out and buy a new one. So I am already free.

It is better to enjoy it and let it scratch than to be so careful with it that it takes away the enjoyment. If there is a way to do both, fine.

A car is the prime example. People are less likely to mess with those cars that are old and all banged up. Those people have nothing to lose. lol

I hear yeah. =)

KandyKane
Jun 12, 2010, 09:55 AM
I also do my own invisishield applications in the bathroom, apparently if you fog up the room (run hot water or after shower) there will be less dust particles in the air.
I've applied a few of them on iPhones at work as well (without the foggy room)

You need to be quite methodical when you push the bubbles out, on the iPad I worked from the apple to the centre of one of the short sides, then the other short side. Apple to centre of long side, and other long side, then pushing the bubbles in rows from the centre to the short side until the distance to the corner is the same as the long side, and kinda go from each side so the bubbles in the corner get pushed out evenly. Make sure there are no big bubbles trapped between rows or in the middle as they are hard to get out if the edges have sealed first. Once the big bubbles are stuck you have to hope that they will dry and evaporate on their own, otherwise if you push it, it stretches the plastic and there will be a bubble impression forever.
Lol. That hardly makes any sense to me, err hope it helps someone.

(I'm the crazy screen protector lady at the phone shop, lol)

mytran80
Jun 13, 2010, 01:04 AM
I've done this 6 times for family and friends ,get it perfect every time ,the trick use a 16 ounce cup with water and fill with 5 to 8 good drops of dishwashing soap liquid , very soapy water , wet the Invisible shield like how you would wet a facial towel very wet , let the access water drip off apply and let dry , there will be very minimal bubbles when the invisible shield is very wet , just push it out if needed ,hope this helps if you give it a second try

88Keys
Jun 13, 2010, 01:57 AM
Looks like your iPad has the herp.

mchank
Jun 13, 2010, 02:35 AM
If you can't get a replacement, try Body Armor kiosks at Best Buy. They'll do the application for you and they have special equipment to make it dry and adhere faster.

TurboSC
Jun 13, 2010, 04:07 AM
any status update on the bubbles? did they come out? pix?

christianinri
Jun 14, 2010, 01:01 AM
I have the same setup as you do (PS Antiglare on the screen, Zagg InvisibleSHIELD on the back). I just received my InvisibleSHIELD and it was pretty easy. The trick really is to wet the hell out of the thing.

For anyone that is trying to install the InvisibleSHIELD on the iPad, I'd suggest covering the headphone jacket and the 30mm connector before applying the InvisibleSHIELD to prevent any short circuiting from occurring. I used the entire bottle of liquid that they provided plus some additional soapy water to make the whole thing as wet as possible. I then placed the film on the iPad, adjusted it to the correct spot, then used the squeegee to remove all the bubbles. It's a pretty easy process if you make sure to keep the surface wet.

For the OP, I'd retry it again and keep the soapy water near. I don't think those bubbles will go out during time. I'd retry it and make sure to release all those bubbles.

Here is my finish product. It took me about 10 minutes to get it the way that I wanted it to be.

http://i966.photobucket.com/albums/ae146/deadstockmarket/pnc/IMG_7515.jpg

three
Jun 14, 2010, 02:02 AM
My experience with applying invisible shield is that it is best to use lots of soapy water. I put a few drops of dishwashing soap into a large bowl, pour in water, foam it up, and then soak the shield in the water. Lay the shield carefully down on the iphone/ipad. You may have to lift it up a few times and re-soak it in the soap solution. Most times I don't squeegee it, just let it dry on its own. Also, do it in your bathroom (dust free as possible).

If you contact invisibleshield they will send you a replacement for free. :)

I just installed a BSE back shield on my iPad using this method, it's MUCH easier using this than a spray bottle.

CristobalHuet
Jun 14, 2010, 06:45 AM
any status update on the bubbles? did they come out? pix?

Nope. Didn't come out, removed, tossed away. :(

If you can't get a replacement, try Body Armor kiosks at Best Buy. They'll do the application for you and they have special equipment to make it dry and adhere faster.

Thanks for the tip, but I already ordered a BSE. I never seen one of those kiosks where I live too.

I just installed a BSE back shield on my iPad using this method, it's MUCH easier using this than a spray bottle.

Good to know, this thread has been invaluable...thank you all for your very helpful advice on how to go through with this, hoping second time's a charm (lol).

I have the same setup as you do (PS Antiglare on the screen, Zagg InvisibleSHIELD on the back). I just received my InvisibleSHIELD and it was pretty easy. The trick really is to wet the hell out of the thing.

For anyone that is trying to install the InvisibleSHIELD on the iPad, I'd suggest covering the headphone jacket and the 30mm connector before applying the InvisibleSHIELD to prevent any short circuiting from occurring. I used the entire bottle of liquid that they provided plus some additional soapy water to make the whole thing as wet as possible. I then placed the film on the iPad, adjusted it to the correct spot, then used the squeegee to remove all the bubbles. It's a pretty easy process if you make sure to keep the surface wet.

For the OP, I'd retry it again and keep the soapy water near. I don't think those bubbles will go out during time. I'd retry it and make sure to release all those bubbles.

Here is my finish product. It took me about 10 minutes to get it the way that I wanted it to be.

http://i966.photobucket.com/albums/ae146/deadstockmarket/pnc/IMG_7515.jpg

Nicely done! I didn't use any additional liquid (just the fluid bottle), so I'll be sure to wet it as much as I can next time. And you're right about the jacks/connectors...if water gets in there, not only do you risk fudging up the machine, but you could also void your warranty.

silverblack
Jun 14, 2010, 07:41 AM
The bubbles will eventually go away, may take up to 3 or 4 weeks though. I didn't have as many bubbles as shown by the OP, but they will go away.

As for warranty replacement, don't ever tell them you make an error during installation. Just go to the online form, and select "damage while protecting the device". They will first ship you a new one, and charge your credit card for full price. Then you return the old shields immediately and get a refund. There is life time warranty, so you can do this as many times as you need to. In fact, Zagg recommends you remove your shield before sending in your equipment for repair. So that's the excuse you can always give them, no questions asked.

To all invisible shield users, be warned that your shields will turn yellow in a year or two. I had it on my 1st generation Macbook Air. When I had my screen replaced last month, removed the shield and noticed how yellow it became. I didn't bother installing a new set after seeing this.

jmor
Jun 14, 2010, 04:52 PM
Thanks for all the great tips, I have never been good at these installs but maybe now ...

pulawman
Jun 15, 2010, 06:36 AM
FYI, if your local mall has a ZAGG kiosk, they install their products for a minimal $5 fee.

EDIT: Went to the ZAGG kiosk yesterday, and locally they raised their prices. $6 for phone install for screens & $12 for phone full bodies. They noted that larger devices may cost extra $$$

CristobalHuet
Jun 17, 2010, 08:39 AM
Got my BSE last night, used the soap and water soak method described in this thread. First impressions: PERFECTION. It was so painless and easy, I highly recommend anyone thinking about a shield like this to get the BSE (it's non adhesive, easier to pull off, and cheaper than IS, all while being of equal quality) and use a dish of soapy water. I barely had bubbles, and the ones I did, I pushed out easily.

Thank you for your invaluable advice guys (and girls). :)

But of course, something HAD to go wrong. I put hockey tape (yep, lol) over the ports and jacks to protect my iPad from any water damage. I got kind of overzealous when I finished with the back, and ripped off the tape, part of which was also stuck onto my screen in the front.

The screen had a Power Support Anti-Glare firmly stuck onto it, or so I thought. I ended up ripping off half of my film. I shrieked, hollered and cursed. Then, I calmed down and pushed it back on, being careful not to pull it off and ******* it up for good. Air bubbles! I pushed them all out, but 3 remained...one on the bezel, one near the home button, and one on the edge. I couldn't get those out, seems like a speck or grain of dust were stuck in those 3 spots. :(

It's tolerable though, and I'm glad I got the BSE on more than anything, so I can take this (it still looks fairly slick in the front, I may post some pics lol). Maybe if I get brave enough I'll gently pull off the edge and use some tape to remove the dust that's causing the bubbles. Maybe. :D

iFerd
Jun 17, 2010, 09:00 AM
For the screen protector and a few dust specks, lift a corner (Scotch tape works well for that), and use a piece of Scotch tape to grab the dust. When I do this, I make sure to apply the tape to the screen and to the protector, since I can never tell which it is actually clinging to. I've never failed to get rid of the random dust speck that way.

Another hint that I didn't notice here is to raise the humidity in a closed room (shower on hot for a few minutes) and apply the protector in that environment. There will be lots less dust in the air to settle on the screen after you've dusted it, but before you can get the protector installed.