If you go to http://e-www.motorola.com/webapp/sps/site/taxonomy.jsp?nodeId=01M98653 you'll see there aren't any new G4 processors! Is there a possibility that these new PowerMac's have IBM G4 inside?
I'm sure that Apple had discussions with Motorola months in advanced to see where Mot's PPC chips would be. If Motorola had indicated that the G4s would top out at 1 to 1.3 ghz and that they weren't developing it any further, then it's Apple's responsibility to adjust their game plan. Based on Motorola's comments that the G4 "still has legs", I'd suspect that they are still working on a 7470 G4 that will show up in Macs eventually.Originally posted by topicolo
Yeah, they are. I posted that early yesterday but everybody brushed it off because no one wanted to believe it. The 1.25Ghz duals are just overclocked Xserves basically. Notice that for the xServes, the fsb is running at 133. Thus, the CPU is running at a 1000/133 = 7.5 multiplier. Similarly, the new G4s top out at a 166Mhz fsb, but the CPU is running also at a 7.5 multiplier (166*7.5 = 1245Mhz).
So this is what it has come down to. moto has decided that it doesn't give a damn about Apple so they're just going to let Apple rot with their current G4. I think Apple should let moto rot! Ditch them for anyone else! IBM, Intel, AMD--I don't care, just don't give moto any business and let them collapse of their own poor management
That is just Moto's marketing Bull$hit. Motorola has no intention of continuing their G4s since it's pretty obvious that they didn't design the PPC 85xx for desktop usage and it's still stuck at ~ 1Ghz.Originally posted by ftaok
Based on Motorola's comments that the G4 "still has legs", I'd suspect that they are still working on a 7470 G4 that will show up in Macs eventually.
Just because Apple uses the G4 doesn't mean they're the only customer. Motorola will continue to sell G4s to people like Cisco. As for G5 development, perhaps Motorola decided to stop G5 development for Apple because Apple never intended to use the G5. Ever think of that?Originally posted by topicolo
That is just Moto's marketing Bull$hit. Motorola has no intention of continuing their G4s since it's pretty obvious that they didn't design the PPC 85xx for desktop usage and it's still stuck at ~ 1Ghz.
BTW, Apple would be unwise to drop MOT in such a harsh fashion. MOT could cripple Apple right now by refusing to sell them G4s. At least until IBM comes out with their next chip.
Apple would be most unwise to STAY with moto because moto is a dying company that doesn't know how to treat its clients. Moto has been screwing both Palm and Apple for the last 3-4 years, do you think they'll suddenly be nice to them? I think not. Besides, if anything, Apple has a manufacturing contract with Moto until a certain period so Moto won't be able to stop manufacturing the G4. Besides, why would they want to kill another revenue stream when they're already bleeding money?
Originally posted by ftaok
Just because Apple uses the G4 doesn't mean they're the only customer. Motorola will continue to sell G4s to people like Cisco. As for G5 development, perhaps Motorola decided to stop G5 development for Apple because Apple never intended to use the G5. Ever think of that?
Motorola is continuing to make G4s and G5s for people other than Apple.
As for Motorola screwing Palm, perhaps Palm should have had the foresight to develop an OS to have more features. No one held a gun to their head to use the DragonBall. They could have switched to the StrongARM if they wanted. The problem was that all the apps would have to be re-written (or whatever).
Finally, I never said that Motorola would stop supplying Apple with G4s. You were the one that said that they should not give MOT any business (I took it to mean right now, but as I re-read, I may have misunderstood your statement). I was just saying that MOT could cripple Apple more than Apple could hurt MOT.
Apple isn't a big customer for Motorola anymore. Back when they had a 10% share, yeah. But now, 4% of the market is nothing. And don't get me started about clients and partners. Apple is the one that killed Motorola's clones and Jobs is the one that decimated MOT stock two years ago. Talk about partnerships. Sheesh.
I didnt' say that you said that. You said that Motorola "has no intention" to continue with the G4. I contested that by saying that there are other customers that use G4s. That's all.Originally posted by topicolo
I never said that the G4s and G5s were only used by Apple, I just said "...they didn't design the PPC 85xx for DESKTOP usage" THe PPC85xx is out already, and selling for $279 or thereabouts per chip but it's not even remotely designed for macs. This shows that Moto was more interested about getting embedded business than Apple's business since they wouldn't have gone ahead instead if they knew they wouldn't have any clients. How could Apple be interested in a G5 after Moto screwed them at 500Mhz for a year, and more recently, 1Ghz for 7months?
But the fact is that they didn't switch. If the Motorola chips were so bad, then they should have switched. If Palm stayed with the DragonBall even though it was so obviously bad, then that's their fault. How can you fault Motorola for selling bad stuff for full price? That's a good business model if you can sustain it.Palm wouldn't have to switch to a strongarm if motorola actually did its job and ADVANCED their processors more than once very 3 years like any real chip company. The best chip motorola was ever able to roll out was a 66Mhz dragonball VZ that barely ran 20% faster than the 33Mhz version. All of these amazing advances happend after ONLY 6 years!?!
Well, Motorola is rebounding and their cell-phone division is picking up steam (up to 18% for the last report). They're getting their house in order. They have, in the past, demonstrated that they can inovate, but not follow through to the next level. Maybe with more and more outside guys (like Mike Z), they can change that. Or maybe not.Motorola's downfall started waaaay before Jobs yanked the cloning plug. Moto was brought down by their constant inability to compete in its other markets (ie cell phones, set-top boxes, and of course, its semi-conductor business). Inability to compete. Sounds like a pretty familiar pattern to me.
No wonder they lost enough money last QUARTER to buy HALF of Apple. [/B]