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Delthalaz
Oct 25, 2004, 07:15 PM
Hey, this is my first post and I have no idea what to do.. sorry if I sound upset, but I am.

It was a 40 GB Ipod that I got only in February as a birthday present.. this is very distressing for me.

I flew from JFK to Cleveland yesterday and (stupidly) had my ipod in my luggage. I realized today when I unpacked that my IPOD was not there! I noticed that there is a "US Department of Homeland Security TSA-JFK Cleared" sticker on my luggage which means the bastards at JFK went through my luggage.

This means my IPOD was stolen by the bastard TSA homeland security officials at JFK! What do I do? Who do I contact? (i.e. call the police? which police?)

I suppose the airlines and the airport wave all responsibility for lost or stolen items.. is there any chance I'll get my ipod back or get reimbursed or something by anyone?

ftaok
Oct 25, 2004, 07:33 PM
Hey, this is my first post and I have no idea what to do.. sorry if I sound upset, but I am.

It was a 40 GB Ipod that I got only in February as a birthday present.. this is very distressing for me.

I flew from JFK to Cleveland yesterday and (stupidly) had my ipod in my luggage. I realized today when I unpacked that my IPOD was not there! I noticed that there is a "US Department of Homeland Security TSA-JFK Cleared" sticker on my luggage which means the bastards at JFK went through my luggage.

This means my IPOD was stolen by the bastard TSA homeland security officials at JFK! What do I do? Who do I contact? (i.e. call the police? which police?)

I suppose the airlines and the airport wave all responsibility for lost or stolen items.. is there any chance I'll get my ipod back or get reimbursed or something by anyone?

Thanks,

StephenDude, that totally sucks. I had a similar thing happen to me, except it was my medicine (nothing serious, Claritan and Sudafed). I packed them in little plastic baggies and I guess they may have looked like illegal drugs.

If I were you, I would call the airline and get contact numbers for the correct people to talk to. I would think that you'd get directed to Airport Police or someone.

Good luck on getting your iPod back.

BTW, if you don't get it back, you might want to check with your homeowner's insurance policy to see if they'll re-imburse you. Or maybe your credit card company will replace it (although this would be a longshot).

Punani
Oct 25, 2004, 07:39 PM
Luggage handlers have an extremely horrific reputation for theft. There was a recent story on the news here in Los Angeles about luggage handlers caught on camera taking stuff.

I would expect the airport management to give you the benefit of the doubt given this history, but they may pass you off with an, "At your own risk" type disclaimer. Check to see if the airport really has any sort of stipulation that dissolves them of any risk, or if they have a insurance clause. If they get hardline with you, I suppose you could resort to implying a lawsuit when talking with them, because this is extremely troubling when one cannot trust government sanctioned workers to have some sort of integrity.

ftaok
Oct 25, 2004, 07:51 PM
Luggage handlers have an extremely horrific reputation for theft. There was a recent story on the news here in Los Angeles about luggage handlers caught on camera taking stuff.

I would expect the airport management to give you the benefit of the doubt given this history, but they may pass you off with an, "At your own risk" type disclaimer. Check to see if the airport really has any sort of stipulation that dissolves them of any risk, or if they have a insurance clause. If they get hardline with you, I suppose you could resort to implying a lawsuit when talking with them, because this is extremely troubling when one cannot trust government sanctioned workers to have some sort of integrity.I'm not a lawyer or anything, but I wouldn't think that the "at your own risk" defense would not work. First of all, the person at the check in never says "at your own risk". There's nothing in writing anywhere to that effect. Plus, if you locked your luggage, they will ask you to remove the locks, otherwise, you'll be called by security to unlock your bags.

The more I think about it, the more I think the airlines should be responsible. If you can't trust the security workers with theft, how can you trust them with their Homeland Security duties.

Maybe you should call the local newsstation. In Philly, they have an "on your side" guy that loves to do exposť pieces. If the airlines don't give you satisfaction, maybe you can take that route.

Littleodie914
Oct 25, 2004, 07:52 PM
Wow.... That bites the big one :( I've never been in this predicament, or have even flown before, so I can't give you any first-hand advice. I would suggest certainly calling the airport and telling them what happened. Did you actually see the people who went through your bag? The airport will most likely ask for the flight number, destination, time, etc. upon your explanation of the situation, so it might save some stress to have that information handy. Good luck, keep us updated!

Stampyhead
Oct 25, 2004, 07:58 PM
I would say it's more the airport than the airlines that are responsible. However, since these security workers are now government employees, I imagine they probably answer to a "higher" authority. I would call the airport and see if they can point you in the right direction. I like the idea about calling the local news station. It's always fun to see the looks on these people's faces when cameras and reporters show up asking them difficult questions.
Good luck!

iGary
Oct 25, 2004, 08:01 PM
Save yourself a lot of time and heartache and get over it.

It's gone for good, like it or not.

Sorry it happened to you, but the sooner you move on the better.

You're not getting it or compensation for it.

musicpyrite
Oct 25, 2004, 08:12 PM
Save yourself a lot of time and heartache and get over it.

It's gone for good, like it or not.

Sorry it happened to you, but the sooner you move on the better.

You're not getting it or compensation for it.

Why do you say that? How do you know?

And sorry to hear about you 'pod. :( :mad: (btw, it's iPod, not IPOD)

James L
Oct 25, 2004, 08:13 PM
Save yourself a lot of time and heartache and get over it.

It's gone for good, like it or not.

Sorry it happened to you, but the sooner you move on the better.

You're not getting it or compensation for it.


That may work for you, but bending over and taking it does not work for me! If it were me I would follow it right through the the top of the airline, the top of the airport, the airport police, the local police, if they are government employees (state or federal?) your government representative, the local news papers, the local radio stations, the local tv stations, etc.

Be firm, but polite. Put things in writing so you have copies, and provide copies of these and the responses to them to the media if you chose to go that route.

Personally, I would start out with the airline, and the airport, at the same time. Find out who is in charge, and contact them in writing, with a phone call follow up. Whatever they say, if you are not happy with it, ask them to place their response in writing, and then ask who their superior is. Be firm, but polite. Yelling and swearing get you no where.

At the same time, make a stolem property report with the police in charge of the location so there is a police number (you should probably do this first). Quote this police file number to the airport/airline people each time you write and speak with them as you work your way up the food chain.

Always let them know that if they cannot find it, a replacement will do fine.

Finally, after being firm and polite with them and getting everything in writing, inform them that you will now be cc'ing copies of your entire file and their responses to every media outlet you can, as well as to the better business bureau and whatever overseeing body looks over the airport.

Whether you get it back or not, at least you know you fought it too the best of your ability. Nothing I have stated above costs you anything but time and energy. It is really up to you though.

Good luck!

James

AoWolf
Oct 25, 2004, 08:32 PM
That may work for you, but bending over and taking it does not work for me! If it were me I would follow it right through the the top of the airline, the top of the airport, the airport police, the local police, if they are government employees (state or federal?) your government representative, the local news papers, the local radio stations, the local tv stations, etc.

Be firm, but polite. Put things in writing so you have copies, and provide copies of these and the responses to them to the media if you chose to go that route.

Personally, I would start out with the airline, and the airport, at the same time. Find out who is in charge, and contact them in writing, with a phone call follow up. Whatever they say, if you are not happy with it, ask them to place their response in writing, and then ask who their superior is. Be firm, but polite. Yelling and swearing get you no where.

At the same time, make a stolem property report with the police in charge of the location so there is a police number (you should probably do this first). Quote this police file number to the airport/airline people each time you write and speak with them as you work your way up the food chain.

Always let them know that if they cannot find it, a replacement will do fine.

Finally, after being firm and polite with them and getting everything in writing, inform them that you will now be cc'ing copies of your entire file and their responses to every media outlet you can, as well as to the better business bureau and whatever overseeing body looks over the airport.

Whether you get it back or not, at least you know you fought it too the best of your ability. Nothing I have stated above costs you anything but time and energy. It is really up to you though.

Good luck!

James

Agreed. Remember if they think you might take legal action you are much more likely to get a replacement.

solvs
Oct 25, 2004, 09:51 PM
Squeaky wheel gets the grease. Complain until you are hoarse. But be nice about it. Catch more flies with honey and all.

iJon
Oct 25, 2004, 10:05 PM
Save yourself a lot of time and heartache and get over it.

It's gone for good, like it or not.

Sorry it happened to you, but the sooner you move on the better.

You're not getting it or compensation for it.
Did he break up with his girlfriend or something, sooner you move on the better :rolleyes:. If some ********* took my iPod I would be making some phone calls, not getting over it.

iJon

Jo-Kun
Oct 25, 2004, 10:14 PM
The good old paranoiac US of A ;-)

maybe they thought you had a bomb in your iPod, a Bomb of music that is :p

well well here in belgium we're all looking what will happen at election day... Huge Bush or Kerry Ketchup, porn lovers will vote for the Huge Bush not knowing that it's not a Website :p

sorry about my sarcasm... I don't hate the USA, don't get me wrong, but sometimes it's like the president likes to over-react on some things...

We took your iPod for your own security!!!

anyway its a shame it happened and I hope we'll see a happy ending on your iPod story!

the best of luck

J

jxyama
Oct 25, 2004, 10:32 PM
Did he break up with his girlfriend or something, sooner you move on the better :rolleyes:. If some ********* took my iPod I would be making some phone calls, not getting over it.

iJon

i know your sentiment, but i have to agree that he/she should just get over it. yeah, should call/write, etc., but don't get your hopes up. airports handle millions of passengers a day and there's only so much stink you can raise about a $500 iPod. (yeah, it's a lot for us, but it's nothing compared to the volume of luggage they go through and things that can go missing. good luck getting media involved - it's nothing compelling or shocking. they are very unlikely to do much. same for trying to sue them - court/lawyer fees will pile up way over the price of the iPod before you get anywhere. and to make the matter worse, how would you go about proving that the iPod was in there to begin with?)

sorry to say, but i doubt there's much you can do.

i am not sure if you implicitly sign something, but you aren't supposed to put anything valuable in the checked luggage. i know this will sound really bad and sucky, but they do tell you somewhere to take all the important stuff with you on to the plane.

by the way, security will not call you or try to get in touch with you if you lock your luggage. they have the right to break the lock and inspect what's inside. it's illogical to expect them to call on every passenger who locks their luggage - they don't have the time or the means to do such a thing. they are just going to pry open the luggage, period. this is why they tell you not to lock the checked luggage.

sorry to hear about it and sorry to sound so pessimistic, but i'd hate to get your hopes up.

dotnina
Oct 25, 2004, 10:48 PM
I'll chime in with my deepest sympathies as well. :(

However, I doubt you'll get it back. I really, really doubt it. You might stand a chance if whoever took it brags to another co-worker or something, but chances are, it's gone.

That said, don't give up. You could still get reimbursement for it, I don't know. Just be gruff without being rude about it.

If you want to play detective, keep your eye on Craigslist (www.craigslist.com) to see if it shows up on the New York page. You could also try keeping an eye out on eBay. (See if someone's selling an iPod like yours with little / no accessories ... ask them lots of questions about it, etc., see where that goes.)

Anyway, just remember it could have been worse. At least it wasn't a laptop. Also, hey -- bright side -- you can upgrade to a fourth gen iPod now! :o

Apple Hobo
Oct 25, 2004, 10:59 PM
they have the right to break the lock and inspect what's inside.

That really pisses me off. I used to lock my luggage (pre-9/11) to prevent an accidental opening due to those luggage goons who toss it about like a football.

TSA is joke anyway. They aren't fooling me with their inefficient, feel-good "security" crap. :mad:

iJon
Oct 25, 2004, 11:01 PM
What I don't understand is why he didn't carry it with him on the plane. Isn't a great purpose for the iPod is to listen to it while on the plane, walking the terminals, waiting for the plane. I've traveled a ton this past year and would have gone insane without it.

iJon

G5orbust
Oct 26, 2004, 12:51 AM
You cant prove without a doubt that the iPod was even in the luggage so I think youre S.O.L.

MacFan26
Oct 26, 2004, 01:22 AM
well well here in belgium we're all looking what will happen at election day... Huge Bush or Kerry Ketchup, porn lovers will vote for the Huge Bush not knowing that it's not a Website :p

The whole world will be watching this election, I'm not sure if people really know how important this election is. 8 days guys, 8 days.

Good luck with this Delthalaz, I hope you get it back, or at least get compensation for it. :)

kevinuaa
Oct 26, 2004, 02:37 AM
seriously, F these playerhaters. Don't give up.
Contact the TSA.
http://www.tsa.gov/public/display?theme=157

they have a contact and claim center. if your claim is reputable you should be compensated.

From the website:

TSA Service Commitment
Our common-sense approach borrows and adapts the best ideas from business and industry. The goal is not just to make people feel safe but to ensure that they really are safe.
The Ability to Listen
If you have questions, please call the Contact Center toll-free at 1-866-289-9673 during the following hours of operation (All times are Eastern Standard Time):
Monday thru Friday 8 am - 10 pm
Saturday, Sunday, Holidays 10 am - 6 pm
You may also e-mail us (tsa-contactcenter@dhs.gov).


laims Management Office Operations


If you have a complaint about missing baggage:
Contact the airline. Most airlines recommend reporting missing bags at the airport within 24 hours and filling out an Air Carrier Claim Report within 30 to 45 days.

If you have a lost or missing item which you believe was left at a TSA Screening or Baggage Checkpoint:

Please call the TSA Contact Center at: 1-866-289-9673 or call the appropriate Lost & Found Department.

For all other incidents involving damages:
Please download and complete the following:
SF-95 Form (PDF 224 KB)
SF-95 Supplemental Information (PDF 99 KB
SF-95 Instructions (PDF 88 KB)
Locking Your Checked Baggage

If the incident happened at one of the following five airports, choose the appropriate airport.
San Francisco CA
Kansas City, MO,
Rochester, NY
Tupalo, MI
Jackson Hole, W
For all other airports
Submit the forms by mail to
TSA Claims Management Office
601 S. 12th Street - TSA 9
Arlington, VA 22202

daggle
Oct 26, 2004, 02:47 AM
The whole world will be watching this election, I'm not sure if people really know how important this election is. 8 days guys, 8 days.

Good luck with this Delthalaz, I hope you get it back, or at least get compensation for it. :)

Actually, maybe not the whole world. I can only speak for myself (abviously), and well, frankly, I couldn't care less :p

Music_Producer
Oct 26, 2004, 04:42 AM
I NEVER transport my ipod, or powerbook or any other important electronic item in checked in baggage..my carry on backpack is stuffed with my powerbook, ipod, 2 firewire drives (!!) , necessary cables etc..and one little toothbrush. It does suck because at every airport's security checkpoint I have to take my laptop out, and ask them to be careful with my backpack and not throw it around..but hey, atleast I am watching it. There's no way I could travel in peace with stuff like that in my checked in baggage.

I don't think you will get your ipod back..first, you cannot prove that you had it in the bag in the first place. Secondly, even if they believe you, you really think they are going to check the recorded tapes for the time of arrival, the belt at which your bags arrived, etc. And what if the guys who stole it..did it from a spot where the camera couldnt record anything?

GorillaPaws
Oct 26, 2004, 04:50 AM
That really pisses me off. I used to lock my luggage (pre-9/11) to prevent an accidental opening due to those luggage goons who toss it about like a football.

TSA is joke anyway. They aren't fooling me with their inefficient, feel-good "security" crap. :mad:

Hey Hobo, I'm one of those people who you so kindly refer to as a "luggage goon." I work for an express carrier in a medium-sized regional airport, and quite frankly I truly don't appreciate your classist comment. That being said, I may be able to help with the iPod problem.
This kind of thing does happen from time to time (from my experience it has occured mostly with passengers traveling from poor island nations, but I'm sure it occurs all over the US too). Your airline most likely has a policy which should reimburse you for your stolen property. I would contact them first. The main potential problem you could face is your airline trying to pass the buck to TSA, and vice-versa. If this occurs, definetly be persistent, but also be very courteous with whom you speak (remember, the person you are speaking with 1. deals with this type of problem all of the time and even though it is very traumatic to you, it is routine for them 2. he/she was not the one who stole your iPod). This is a good rule for any airline problem you face: the person you are speaking to is trying to help you solve a problem that someone they've never met created in some other city, so treat them with respect.
As for why bags get tossed around "like footballs," you must remeber that a baggage handler must lift, sort and organize hundreds of bags a day, and often times this must happen in a very short period of time. Furthermore, the cargo bins that you have to work in are often very small and do not afford the worker much room to manuver in very well (i.e. it's not possible to use proper lifting techniques) and as such, gently tossing bags around is a necessity. This is why you should always pack your baggage very carefully, and NEVER, EVER pack something that you cannot go without for several days in your checked baggage. (If you pack your car keys in your checked bag, and it gets lost, the airline will not rent you a car for the week, nor will they buy you medication if you packed it away in a checked bag). If it's important, always carry it on with you.
Ok, I'll stop preaching the airline stuff now. But anyways, your airline should replace your iPod for you, Best of luck.

virividox
Oct 26, 2004, 06:00 AM
dude thats sucks!!!

ftaok
Oct 26, 2004, 06:52 AM
Gorilla,

Good call about not packing stuff you can't live without. I was the one with the medicine. Luckily, I kept my Lactaid with me (since I was thinking about getting some pizza at the airport). Honestly, I thought that keeping my medicine with me might be more of a hassle if I had gotten checked at the x-ray machines. Then I would have to explain what these "unidentified" pills were. So I just packed them without thinking much about it.

Anyways, do you work at Charlottesville for US Air Express? I used to take the flight to/from Philly every other week for about 2 years or so. All the people involved with UAExpress there were top notch. I really enjoyed that little airport. The atmosphere at the Philly airport is not quite as nice. Just can't beat the small(er) town attitude.

ft

CrackedButter
Oct 26, 2004, 07:43 AM
I recently went to Japan and took my iBook with me, i never left it for the baggage handles to check, i kept it with me at all times as hand luggage. Trouble was, i couldn't do the same for my tripod, the buggers somewhere enroute to Japan broke the handle from the UK then Italy. I could have claimed but strangely enough I managed to fix it and it works okay now, what could of made it worse was that it wasn't my tripod.

But anyway, i can understand, what I don't understand is how baggage handlers get away with such criminal damage.

Timelessblur
Oct 26, 2004, 07:56 AM
Yeah I have to say it sucks. It is a reason why I take all valible stuff like that with me as a carrior on. I have had my bags goen though to many times not to do stuff like that. 4 flights and 4 times I have been had my bag check. With out me being around. The stuff that goes with me as a carrior on it my calucalartor (it worth over 200) and laptop. I would be major hamper and tick if I lost either one of those items and the safe is to take items like that with me in my carrior on.

When they are carrior on you may be ask to turn on the stuff but you will be present to do so and the only time the stuff will be leaving you site is when it is inside the Xray machine and no one can get stuff out of there until it gets to the other side so there will be no worry about loosing it there.

Hind site is 20/20. Good luck to you in solving this problems

keysersoze
Oct 26, 2004, 08:27 AM
Save yourself a lot of time and heartache and get over it.

It's gone for good, like it or not.

Sorry it happened to you, but the sooner you move on the better.

You're not getting it or compensation for it.

Some ********* stole my Swoop Transformer out of my school bag in 4th grade. I'm STILL pissed thinking about that....

One doesn't easily get over being ripped off. If someone stole my iPod I would raise holy hell until I got a replacement.

MacDawg
Oct 26, 2004, 08:41 AM
Hey Hobo, I'm one of those people who you so kindly refer to as a "luggage goon." I work for an express carrier in a medium-sized regional airport, and quite frankly I truly don't appreciate your classist comment. That being said, I may be able to help with the iPod problem.
This kind of thing does happen from time to time (from my experience it has occured mostly with passengers traveling from poor island nations, but I'm sure it occurs all over the US too). Your airline most likely has a policy which should reimburse you for your stolen property. I would contact them first. The main potential problem you could face is your airline trying to pass the buck to TSA, and vice-versa. If this occurs, definetly be persistent, but also be very courteous with whom you speak (remember, the person you are speaking with 1. deals with this type of problem all of the time and even though it is very traumatic to you, it is routine for them 2. he/she was not the one who stole your iPod). This is a good rule for any airline problem you face: the person you are speaking to is trying to help you solve a problem that someone they've never met created in some other city, so treat them with respect.
As for why bags get tossed around "like footballs," you must remeber that a baggage handler must lift, sort and organize hundreds of bags a day, and often times this must happen in a very short period of time. Furthermore, the cargo bins that you have to work in are often very small and do not afford the worker much room to manuver in very well (i.e. it's not possible to use proper lifting techniques) and as such, gently tossing bags around is a necessity. This is why you should always pack your baggage very carefully, and NEVER, EVER pack something that you cannot go without for several days in your checked baggage. (If you pack your car keys in your checked bag, and it gets lost, the airline will not rent you a car for the week, nor will they buy you medication if you packed it away in a checked bag). If it's important, always carry it on with you.
Ok, I'll stop preaching the airline stuff now. But anyways, your airline should replace your iPod for you, Best of luck.

Great post GorillaPaws... you are right, while there are some goons on the ramp, there are many fine people doing the job. There are goons in every profession that make the majority look bad.

Sorry about the loss of the iPod. It really is a shame...

OldManJimbo
Oct 26, 2004, 08:43 AM
Save yourself a lot of time and heartache and get over it.
It's gone for good, like it or not.
Sorry it happened to you, but the sooner you move on the better.
You're not getting it or compensation for it.

Sorry to say i agree with this - and a note to anyone who flies:

I fly A LOT and never, I mean NEVER place anything in checked baggage that can't be replaced. Clothing can always be purchased at the other end. Also, when you are asked to take your checked bags to the TSA x-ray machine, stand there and wait for it to go all the way through before heading for your gate. If they find something in the x-ray that looks suspicious, you can watch while they rifle through your stuff.

I think the majority of TSA staff are well-meaning and trying to do a good job. But there are bad apples in every group and this iPod story is just another example of man's inhumanity to man.

wPod
Oct 26, 2004, 08:59 AM
TSA is joke anyway. They aren't fooling me with their inefficient, feel-good "security" crap. :mad:

lol, i completely agree. im sorry GorillaPaws but Apple Hobo is right. at smaller airports maybe they do something. for example i was in an airport in Montana and there were about 3 TSA employees for every passanger. And they checked EVERYONES bag! It appeared that they had nothing better to do.

but when i travel through larger airporst such as the airports in Dallas, the TSA is a joke. I practically get strip searched every time i go through security b/c of the small amounts of metal in my SANDLE buckles or my belt buckle. come on is there really room to hide a bomb in my BIRKENSTOCKS?!?!?! I think they need a compitent citizen line. for people who have no police record and were born in the US. you get to keep all of your clothes on and you just get your bag quickly run through the scanner to make sure no terrorist stuck something in there while you werent looking. simple, done. none of this take your laptop out, shoes off, belt off, arms out to the side, bend over while i get my plastic glove crap.

and the bad thing is all of this is useless!!!! i dont want to give any ideas to terrorists, but i was at an airport working on a project there and to get to where i needed to be for the project i had to go to a mantinance entrance at the airport. i passed by a gaurd stand. that was completely empty. drove through as a matter of fact. large truck. no gate, no security to check my credentials. proceded about my business for a couple of hours, and never saw any sort of security even pass by. you know what was seperating me for the tarmack? an unlocked door inside the bldg and outside by the parking lot only a chain link fense. (which would be nothing for a pair of pliars or a truck)

i certainly dont feel any safter in an airport. and now to know they will be rifiling through my stuff and stealing! ha. ill just fall back on my rule of not checking anything important!!! but i usually carry my PB or iPod on anyway for entertainment! sorry to hear about your iPod. id try calling the airline about it but do realize taking it to the extreme as other people have mentioned will cost you time and money, it might be easier/cheaper to buy a new one if the airline is not imidiatly helpful.

Mr. Anderson
Oct 26, 2004, 09:04 AM
Flying back from the Dominican Republic several years ago, someone swiped my electric razor. I told the airlines and they sent me a check for $100 to buy a replacement. It was a no hassle deal, almost a little scary how easy it turned out to be.

Just call the airlines and tell them what happened. You might want to mention all the songs you bought on ITMS that were on there as well - what was it? 150? :p ;)

Good luck!

D

jxyama
Oct 26, 2004, 09:29 AM
I think they need a compitent citizen line. for people who have no police record and were born in the US.

let's not go there... :rolleyes:

James L
Oct 26, 2004, 09:47 AM
let's not go there... :rolleyes:


Wow, not quite racial profiling, but on its way! Wouldn't that still let people like Tomothy McVeigh get through though?

:rolleyes:

Mr. Anderson
Oct 26, 2004, 10:15 AM
let's not go there... :rolleyes:

exactly - if you want to discuss this, take it to the political forums - if there isn't a thread already there on this, start one if you really think its necessary.

D

Chip NoVaMac
Oct 26, 2004, 10:23 AM
That may work for you, but bending over and taking it does not work for me! If it were me I would follow it right through the the top of the airline, the top of the airport, the airport police, the local police, if they are government employees (state or federal?) your government representative, the local news papers, the local radio stations, the local tv stations, etc.

James

I agree. The TSA website might be of help:

http://www.tsa.gov/public/interapp/editorial/editorial_1303.xml

and

http://www.tsa.gov/public/interapp/editorial/editorial_1028.xml

The shame of it is, it becomes a you against them. How do you prove that the ipod was in the bag? On a flight a year ago my other half lost a carton of cigs ($20), a watch ($50), and underwear ($15). It was a cluster you know what. Between TSA and the airline - America West (and their assigned handler of baggage - Delta) his baggage was searched by TSA, and was lost AND Damaged by America West/Delta (in Cinci of all places, for a trip from IAD to LAS via Phoenix).

All he got from TSA and the airlines was an apology since he could not prove those items were in the baggage. Really liking Independence Air with their jet side valet check in of baggage.

ftaok
Oct 26, 2004, 10:52 AM
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i certainly dont feel any safter in an airport. and now to know they will be rifiling through my stuff and stealing! ha. ill just fall back on my rule of not checking anything important!!! but i usually carry my PB or iPod on anyway for entertainment! sorry to hear about your iPod. id try calling the airline about it but do realize taking it to the extreme as other people have mentioned will cost you time and money, it might be easier/cheaper to buy a new one if the airline is not imidiatly helpful.
But what if you have to check your stuff in? For instance, you have two laptops and your carry-on? Or what if your important stuff are your golf clubs? Could you imagine Tiger Woods getting his lucky putter stolen on a commercial flight?

Chip NoVaMac
Oct 26, 2004, 10:59 AM
The good old paranoiac US of A ;-)

maybe they thought you had a bomb in your iPod, a Bomb of music that is :p

We took your iPod for your own security!!!

anyway its a shame it happened and I hope we'll see a happy ending on your iPod story!

the best of luck

J

I really hate flying now. I am a serious photographer so my gear that I carry-on is:

Two or three camera bodies, 4 to 8 lenses. 20 to 40 rolls of film, digital media cards, batteries of all sorts, a computer, a PDA, a cell phone, and my iPod.

I show up early of course. And even the best intentions backfire. Last year went to Las Vegas from Dulles Airport on Xmas day. No real problems, I even took and made sure that a I picked up extra "clear" film cans for my film to speed the process. All they did was swab my gear and exterior of the film cans, and I was on my way. (Along that I had all my electronic gear "on" before getting to the security check point).

Returning from Vegas, was another story. They took out every film can and swabbed the inside and outside. Evidently a couple of cans had traces of nitrates (caused by hand lotion by the people that dropped the cans off at the store I picked them up from). This triggered a full search of my carry-on's and checked baggage. EVERYTHING had come out of my pockets. Belt off, shoes off. I was just waiting for the full cavity search. I had to answer questions of all of my travels over that week. (I must have missed the alert on us Polish terrorists that week). they even copied my drivers license. I am now in some damned database somewhere!

For those that think I might have provoked the situation. All I had asked for was a hand search of my film.

Chip NoVaMac
Oct 26, 2004, 11:39 AM
Hey Hobo, I'm one of those people who you so kindly refer to as a "luggage goon." I work for an express carrier in a medium-sized regional airport, and quite frankly I truly don't appreciate your classist comment.

While the term was harsh, it was directed at the industry as a whole, not you personally. Just as my working in the retail sector labels me as a "retail lackey".

It is also an indication of how the airlines (as a company, not their employees) look at the flying public. Everyone looks for a scapegoat, and the baggage handlers are the ones to blame about baggage issues. Prior to 9-11 the airlines looked for every excuse not to pay a claim for lost or damaged bags IMO (myself having more than my fair share of complaints). Now in teh post 9-11 world we have "government agents" that can open our bags, and it seems that we have little recourse in the claims process.

Then add to that the number of airlines (at least at IAD) that "contract-out" gate and baggage services to other airlines. Is it unreasonable to expect on a flight between IAD and LAS via PHX on America West that my bags stay on America West? Not on a Delta flight from IAD to CVG to LAS? Keep in mind we were the #3 check-in for the first flight of the day on America West. And it took just under 48 hours for them to "find" the bags for a 120 hour trip. Had to cancel a dinner for that evening that required a suit and tie (it was Xmas Day) that we had to reserve months in advance.

What ticks me off on my situation is that America West was saying that they were searching PHX for the bag. Having no clue that Delta had placed it on a IAD to CVG to LAS route. When got the bag showing clearly that the bag was routed through CVG, both airlines denied that the bag was ever there at CVG.

T%o be honest I am starting to love airlines like Independence Air and the old Midway Express, and their kind. They use CRJ type aircraft. Bag check in is at the gate in the cases I have had. The "valet" sees the condition of the bags, and you see them when they had it back to you at the destination. It doesn't answer the theft issue totally, but far better than the majors and the TSA "unseen" screening.

The greater issue in this post 9-11 world is security of the flight and security of the belongings of those on that flight. I wonder how the airlines would respond if we started to give them an itemized list of belongings in checked bags.

Correct me if I am wrong, but the laws as they stand now allow the airlines and TSA to point fingers at each other. And the consumer gets in the end without Vaseline.

Chip NoVaMac
Oct 26, 2004, 11:51 AM
Anyways, do you work at Charlottesville for US Air Express? I used to take the flight to/from Philly every other week for about 2 years or so. All the people involved with UAExpress there were top notch. I really enjoyed that little airport. The atmosphere at the Philly airport is not quite as nice. Just can't beat the small(er) town attitude.

ft

Depending on how long ago, UAExpress flights were handled by Atlantic Coast Airlines. they are now flying as Independence Air. First class operation back then. And even now under their own colors.

The IA terminal at IAD (Dulles) does bring back the small town terminal feel.

rhpenguin
Oct 26, 2004, 12:24 PM
I was just waiting for the full cavity search.

I have a piercing in a "special" area that always leads to me dropping trow when i travel.. Just one of those things you get used to... :eek:

Timelessblur
Oct 26, 2004, 12:24 PM
But what if you have to check your stuff in? For instance, you have two laptops and your carry-on? Or what if your important stuff are your golf clubs? Could you imagine Tiger Woods getting his lucky putter stolen on a commercial flight?

well for laptops they general go in a carry-on bag so that should not count agaist you. In my laptop bag I have my laptop, cords and stuff that go with it, my calulator (TI-Vorager 200) and a few school books. There is still some room left in there. And then I have my back pack as carry on number 2 with the other items that I perfer to carry on. Mostly hygen stuff and medications. In my pockets I tend to have the stuff I normaly carry on me. Keys, Cell phone, wallet, Mechical penical and eraser, change. Under the plan goes clouthing and other items that are easily replaceble and not a big deal if I loose. I put text book in there before because who in there right mind would want a calucas book or other engineering books

jxyama
Oct 26, 2004, 12:32 PM
Correct me if I am wrong, but the laws as they stand now allow the airlines and TSA to point fingers at each other. And the consumer gets in the end without Vaseline.

well, since this is getting off topic, i'll keep this short. i don't really care to defend the airline industry, but you yourself gave a prime example of (partially) why airline industries have to do what it's doing: to cut costs.

you said it yourself, you flew America West - a budget airline. while i don't know why you chose America West to fly from Washington DC to Las Vegas, but i'm fairly certain price had something to do with it. airline industry as a whole is in a lose-lose situation. "consumers" are notoriously price conscious but expect the same services as before. fuel prices are rising too...

anyway, like i said, it's a messy situation but airline industries aren't exactly healthy. they have reasons for what they do - other than trying to "screw the consumers," which i'm sure they don't. it's just a consequence of them looking out for their own interest and i can't really fault them for doing that.

jxyama
Oct 26, 2004, 12:41 PM
But what if you have to check your stuff in? For instance, you have two laptops and your carry-on? Or what if your important stuff are your golf clubs? Could you imagine Tiger Woods getting his lucky putter stolen on a commercial flight?

sorry, but it's not airline's problem to cater to absolutely every single flyer under extraneous situations. if you have two laptops, that's not airline's problem. they are providing a service for a fee and there are limitations to what kind of services they can provide for you for that fee. it is also implied that the services they provide come with certain risks. lost luggage and shoddy security screening processes are part of them.

before you start asking what airlines can do to accomodate your rather extraneous example of needing to travel with two laptops, you should probably be asking yourself why you need two of them to begin with.

Chip NoVaMac
Oct 26, 2004, 01:03 PM
I think the majority of TSA staff are well-meaning and trying to do a good job. But there are bad apples in every group and this iPod story is just another example of man's inhumanity to man.

You are right, but it takes only one or two to ruin it for all. I have to ask, do you feel the same way when a store "clerk" does you "wrong"? Do blame the chain, or the "clerk"? Too many will blame the "store". So why should the TSA be any different? Or even the airlines?

The main issue is the behind the scenes screening that we have no control over. And it seems no clear recourse for true loss. In a previous post I was completely honest as to my other half's loss's. Yet, he was treated as a criminal trying to rip off the system.

It also gets down to the buck passing between the TSA and the airlines when things do go wrong. I for one would have no issues in getting to the airport early in order to allow a physical inspection of my checked bags, if I am able to put my own (non-TSA approved) locks on the bag.

MacFan26
Oct 26, 2004, 01:03 PM
Actually, maybe not the whole world. I can only speak for myself (abviously), and well, frankly, I couldn't care less :p
haha, alright then. A LOT of the world will be watching.

Chip NoVaMac
Oct 26, 2004, 01:08 PM
Flying back from the Dominican Republic several years ago, someone swiped my electric razor. I told the airlines and they sent me a check for $100 to buy a replacement. It was a no hassle deal, almost a little scary how easy it turned out to be.

Just call the airlines and tell them what happened. You might want to mention all the songs you bought on ITMS that were on there as well - what was it? 150? :p ;)

Good luck!

D

not all of us have been so lucky in dealing with stolen goods from our baggage. In our case we got only a empty apology and finger pointing.

Chip NoVaMac
Oct 26, 2004, 02:06 PM
exactly - if you want to discuss this, take it to the political forums - if there isn't a thread already there on this, start one if you really think its necessary.

D

In some ways it might be a Political Forum issue; but I think it is an honest assessment of where our priorities are when hiring people. And when we do hire them, what do we pay them.

From what I understand TSA staff at the lower levels are paid in the $25-35K range. In most major cities where the security threat can be considered the highest, this barely allows for poverty level of living. In the DC houses are reaching a $225K average. Rents in OK areas are $1K a month. Minimum wage is just $5,15 an hour.

using (http://www.westegg.com/inflation/) in 2003 $ that means a wage of $5.78 an hour. Even that doesn't track the true costs of inflation. Gas, oil, education (which so many point to as a way from the minimum wage), and many other "expenses" have gone up far more than "inflation".

This does not excuse doing wrong, but it shows the disconnect between realities. Will the TSA review the video tape and replace the stolen iPod, if their people are shown to do it? Or is it another 'white van driver" incident"?

evilgEEk
Oct 26, 2004, 02:11 PM
And this is why I have never checked a single bag in all my flights. One carry-on piece of luggage and my backpack, that's all I need.

I hope you can get your iPod back. :(

Chip NoVaMac
Oct 26, 2004, 02:12 PM
I have a piercing in a "special" area that always leads to me dropping trow when i travel.. Just one of those things you get used to... :eek:

I have good "sized" nipple ring that cuases me problems from time to time. I travel without a t-shirt, and a buttoned shirt so that I show my "glory". Not quite like yours. :D

I was traveling with a friend post 9-11 that has two VERY large nipple rings attached to a chain that leads down to you know where (what can I say, I have interesting friends). the metal doesn't end there. He has taken to having a full body photo to share with TSA agents. :D

rueyeet
Oct 26, 2004, 02:30 PM
I have a piercing in a "special" area that always leads to me dropping trow when i travel.. Just one of those things you get used to... :eek:You might want to do something about which metal is in your jewelry; I just went to the Dominican Republic on vacation, and my surgical steel navel jewelry caused nary a problem with any scans.

My iPod and digital camera, though, were another matter: I had them in my smaller carry-on bag end-up, and got stopped at Customs in Puerto Rico when the security folks couldn't immediately identify them on their scans.

I'm so paranoid about losing luggage and such that I travel with carry-ons only; I've got a luggage set with the carry-on roller and a smaller bag that I can pass off as my "personal item." I put any valuables or technological items, along with toiletries, in that smaller bag. Clothes are easy to replace, but tech items not so much so, and you should have any essential medications with you. Especially if you're going out of the country, because you can't count on finding the same medications in other countries.

Also, medications should be carried in their original packaging for OTC meds, and in their original bottles for prescription stuff. This cuts down on the necessity to have the "but it's just aspirin!" conversation with the security people.

Good luck getting redress for your stolen iPod, Delthalaz....you may not end up getting it back, but it's well worth the try. :)

Chip NoVaMac
Oct 26, 2004, 02:47 PM
well, since this is getting off topic, i'll keep this short. i don't really care to defend the airline industry, but you yourself gave a prime example of (partially) why airline industries have to do what it's doing: to cut costs.

you said it yourself, you flew America West - a budget airline. while i don't know why you chose America West to fly from Washington DC to Las Vegas, but i'm fairly certain price had something to do with it. airline industry as a whole is in a lose-lose situation. "consumers" are notoriously price conscious but expect the same services as before. fuel prices are rising too...

anyway, like i said, it's a messy situation but airline industries aren't exactly healthy. they have reasons for what they do - other than trying to "screw the consumers," which i'm sure they don't. it's just a consequence of them looking out for their own interest and i can't really fault them for doing that.

Yes, cost was an issue. Though not as much as you would think. United Airlines was just $35 more for a routing through ABQ or DEN (though even experiences on UA are the reason I chose America West). Seats on a jet are a commodity. Pay what you want, for the time you fly. We all should be treated equal when it comes to our bags.

the airlines IMO have created their own monster. Charging $25-1000 for a ticket change. Charging $10 to $50 for going through a live person. Telling a person that "first class is to valuable to give away, even when empty seats are available to those that have a medical need.

I think th epoint you are trying to mkae would be more valid if the "high-priced" airlines did not offer the same fares. Or is it a case that spend more, should get more in return to "protections:? Should someone being willing or able to spend more, get preferential treatment? Particularly under terms of the law.

jxyama
Oct 26, 2004, 04:28 PM
Yes, cost was an issue. Though not as much as you would think. United Airlines was just $35 more for a routing through ABQ or DEN (though even experiences on UA are the reason I chose America West). Seats on a jet are a commodity. Pay what you want, for the time you fly. We all should be treated equal when it comes to our bags.

the airlines IMO have created their own monster. Charging $25-1000 for a ticket change. Charging $10 to $50 for going through a live person. Telling a person that "first class is to valuable to give away, even when empty seats are available to those that have a medical need.

I think th epoint you are trying to mkae would be more valid if the "high-priced" airlines did not offer the same fares. Or is it a case that spend more, should get more in return to "protections:? Should someone being willing or able to spend more, get preferential treatment? Particularly under terms of the law.

of course high priced airlines has to match budget airline prices. you may not be so picky about $35 or whatever, but there are plenty of others that are. all i'm saying is, consolidating baggage handling, etc. are part of their effort in trying to cut costs.

i personally don't think it's unreasonable to charge (quite a lot, some times) for change of schedule. this isn't like taking a bus - reservations are compulsory on airplanes and they are made days, weeks in advance. you can't just expect to change the schedule on the fly and not pay for it.

if you didn't pay for first class, you shouldn't complain that there are empty seats in the first class. it's up to the airline to decide who they want in the first class - you have absolutely no basis to complain if they don't let you sit in an empty seat in the first class. (medical or not - if you have a medical condition that would benefit from flying in first class, perhaps you should pay for it?)

in any case, yes, of course, if you are wiling to pay more, you should get preferential treatment in terms of service - that's why you pay more. :rolleyes: (i don't know what you are talking about the terms of the law.) if you fly direct, there's less chance for you to lose the luggage. if you fly first class, you are allowed more carry on. etc.

Chip NoVaMac
Oct 26, 2004, 06:41 PM
of course high priced airlines has to match budget airline prices. you may not be so picky about $35 or whatever, but there are plenty of others that are. all i'm saying is, consolidating baggage handling, etc. are part of their effort in trying to cut costs.

Most of this stuff was not needed to be worried about by consumers till they started to de-regulate the airlines. In some cases like airlines , phones, electric - regulation is good!

i personally don't think it's unreasonable to charge (quite a lot, some times) for change of schedule. this isn't like taking a bus - reservations are compulsory on airplanes and they are made days, weeks in advance. you can't just expect to change the schedule on the fly and not pay for it.

Yeah, right. You reserve two to three months ahead. And even if you try to make changes the next day, you might want to find that grease! It is greed plain and simple.

if you didn't pay for first class, you shouldn't complain that there are empty seats in the first class. it's up to the airline to decide who they want in the first class - you have absolutely no basis to complain if they don't let you sit in an empty seat in the first class. (medical or not - if you have a medical condition that would benefit from flying in first class, perhaps you should pay for it?)


As far as paying for it, it must be nice to have the $1200 that they wanted to charge me over what my company had already paid. At least America West charges not much more than $100 to upgrade if the space is available.

The case I was making reference of was a personal one. And I would not have even thought of making such a request unless the seed was planted by my Doctor. Evidently American and TWA at the time had much friendlier skies. I was given a letter of request by the Doctor for hardship consideration of accommodation to First Class. made a call to UA from my hospital bed (first for a change in schedule, they first demanded that I pay $100 to change my ticket - they relented). When I finally got some one with a heart, I was told such considerations were made on a space available basis at the airport. Just bring a letter and my records from my doctor.

My complaint is that the Station Manger did not care whom I had talked too. What paperwork I had. Her exact words were, "First Class is too valuable to just give away". One side of the company should not set expectations that the other has no intentions of doing.

Funny thing was this was the time UA was running those commercials about just how their customers felt when they themselves were treated in the same manner.

in any case, yes, of course, if you are wiling to pay more, you should get preferential treatment in terms of service - that's why you pay more. :rolleyes: (i don't know what you are talking about the terms of the law.) if you fly direct, there's less chance for you to lose the luggage. if you fly first class, you are allowed more carry on. etc.

Sorry, but that class attitude does not fly with me in most cases (no pun intended). It is not just the airlines any more. What happened to doing what is the best for the customer? Why should I pay more at Universal Studios to get better treatment?

slughead
Oct 27, 2004, 12:53 AM
Hey, this is my first post and I have no idea what to do.. sorry if I sound upset, but I am.

It was a 40 GB Ipod that I got only in February as a birthday present.. this is very distressing for me.

I flew from JFK to Cleveland yesterday and (stupidly) had my ipod in my luggage. I realized today when I unpacked that my IPOD was not there! I noticed that there is a "US Department of Homeland Security TSA-JFK Cleared" sticker on my luggage which means the bastards at JFK went through my luggage.

This means my IPOD was stolen by the bastard TSA homeland security officials at JFK! What do I do? Who do I contact? (i.e. call the police? which police?)

I suppose the airlines and the airport wave all responsibility for lost or stolen items.. is there any chance I'll get my ipod back or get reimbursed or something by anyone?

Thanks,

Stephen

And now that they're federal employees you can't sue the airline!!

jxyama
Oct 27, 2004, 10:21 AM
Sorry, but that class attitude does not fly with me in most cases (no pun intended). It is not just the airlines any more. What happened to doing what is the best for the customer? Why should I pay more at Universal Studios to get better treatment?

sorry, i don't understand. what do you mean by "doing what's best for the customer?"? customers who are "better" customers have always gotten better treatment. it has nothing to do with class. if you get discriminated or made to feel uncomfortable in the economy class in comparison to other people who paid (roughly) the same fare, i can understand. but to say airline's doing something wrong if they treat first class customers differently from the economy class ones is non-sense.

anyway, i quit because this is so far off topic. (which is what i imagined would happen... should know better and keep my mouth shut. :D)

rhpenguin
Oct 29, 2004, 12:33 AM
You might want to do something about which metal is in your jewelry

It doesnt really bother me. Its one of those things you kinda come to expect having a genital peiercing. People sometimes just wanna see it so you get used to taking it out in public or to total strangers.

Matters not to me..

dotnina
Oct 29, 2004, 01:16 AM
Its one of those things you kinda come to expect having a genital peiercing. People sometimes just wanna see it so you get used to taking it out in public or to total strangers.


:eek: :eek: :eek:

blaster_boy
Oct 29, 2004, 08:35 AM
It doesnt really bother me. Its one of those things you kinda come to expect having a genital peiercing. People sometimes just wanna see it so you get used to taking it out in public or to total strangers.

Matters not to me..

Totally off-topic, but I am dying to know... did it hurt, having that piercing ?

rhpenguin
Oct 29, 2004, 09:54 AM
I have whats called the apadravya (im not going to post links directly to pictures because its unapropriate for these boards, but if its peeking your interest go to METAFlesh (http://www.metaflesh.com/) and check out some info on it yourself). When i got it, it felt like fire was shooting up my legs. Ive never felt such pain, but it was nothing managable (like any other piercing) and it was all but gone a few hours after i got it. If your looking for a male genatalia piercing that doesnt hurt a lot though go with a prince albert. They dont hurt at all.

Let me tell you though, lots of benifits from this piercing. Its totaly worth it. (Again, not going into detail because its inaproprate).

dotnina, lol... Its not a huge deal, If my piercing comes up in conversation and someone wants to see it, i have no problems with that. Its just my genitals and its not like any other male on the planet doesnt have simular equipment.

tsaxer
Oct 29, 2004, 10:26 AM
i dont want to give any ideas to terrorists,

Expect a special visit from the men in black soon... :eek:

Oh wait, they only come out for aliens, hmm...

Maybe J. Edgar Rumsfeld will send a detail to deal with the national threat :rolleyes:

At least you didn't say bomb on an airplane

Best wishes on the recovery!

rt_brained
Oct 29, 2004, 11:10 AM
I don't know how the TSA process works, but it's not likely that the perp would leave their calling card. I'd train my focus on anyone else who would have come in contact with your bag. I know some conspirists would think, "But that's the perfect way to deflect attention! They rip you off and leave their card in your bag...no one would ever suspect them to be so stupid!"

Save it for the movies. It's more likely that it was someone working on either side of the TSA inspector...on the periphery. First, assuming your bag may have become suspect in the first place due to some detection device is a dead giveaway to anyone with half a brain that there's something of interest in that bag, probably electronic.

Second, if I'm a "criminally inclined" handler, chances are ANY bag coming through TSA's detour lane is probably worth a look-see for small electronic devices before it gets to the plane. Even if I'm in earshot of the TSA people and happen to overhear something like, "Oh, it's just another one of those f#*king iPods again". Third, what if I just happened to have seen the TSA inspector pull the iPod out of your suitcase and inspect it before putting it back. Now I know exactly where I can find it in a hurry.

Most criminals will, by nature, try to avoid being caught. As such, a small-time criminal ripping you off and leaving a calling card behind WOULD be stupid, because they assume, by conscious guilt, that they'll be the FIRST person questioned by authorities later as a result...a confrontation they'd have to prepare mentally for, later. And for what...an iPod? Not likely.

Chip NoVaMac
Oct 29, 2004, 01:06 PM
let's not go there... :rolleyes:

Actually isn't the "Trusted Flyer Program" something along those lines?

Chip NoVaMac
Oct 29, 2004, 01:20 PM
And this is why I have never checked a single bag in all my flights. One carry-on piece of luggage and my backpack, that's all I need.

I hope you can get your iPod back. :(

I was talking to a few friends about this. They agreed that there is finger pointing all way around.

What one does now is that they send a UPS/FedEX package of their clothes and needs for a trip to the hotel for the day before or the day of their arrival. And then sends back the same way with what ever goodies they may have bought. They just take advantage of their carry-on limits.

Chip NoVaMac
Oct 29, 2004, 01:48 PM
I have whats called the apadravya (im not going to post links directly to pictures because its unapropriate for these boards, but if its peeking your interest go to METAFlesh (http://www.metaflesh.com/) and check out some info on it yourself). When i got it, it felt like fire was shooting up my legs. Ive never felt such pain, but it was nothing managable (like any other piercing) and it was all but gone a few hours after i got it. If your looking for a male genatalia piercing that doesnt hurt a lot though go with a prince albert. They dont hurt at all.

Let me tell you though, lots of benifits from this piercing. Its totaly worth it. (Again, not going into detail because its inaproprate).

dotnina, lol... Its not a huge deal, If my piercing comes up in conversation and someone wants to see it, i have no problems with that. Its just my genitals and its not like any other male on the planet doesnt have simular equipment.

Too bad some here would be offended (in a non-Apple hardware section of course) by a civil discussion of piercing. Though some do deal with airport security, much more so than yours would I think. I have a fairly thick gage (forgot how much) with my nipple piercing. And that has never set off metal detectors so far.

A side note: Talk of the pain involved with piercing is relative to the person receiving the piercing. Sort of like what it feels like getting a tattoo. For me it wasn't that bad, even though one was on a less "meaty" part of my body.

Chip NoVaMac
Oct 29, 2004, 02:00 PM
Expect a special visit from the men in black soon... :eek:

Oh wait, they only come out for aliens, hmm...

Maybe J. Edgar Rumsfeld will send a detail to deal with the national threat :rolleyes:

At least you didn't say bomb on an airplane

Best wishes on the recovery!

Sad state is that there are many of us that see the flaws in the security that is there to protect us. This from people like wPod, and myself that probably don't have a high level of experience in security. Some of it seems to be to make us "feel" safer, not be "safer".

A thought about the behind the scenes screening process. In the DC area there is not a grocery store or major retailer that doesn't have a camera on each cashier. The same should be done with TSA agents that open our bags from our view. Or in the least for those of us that are concerned about loss of goods; give us the opportunity to have our bags inspected in front of us.

Chip NoVaMac
Oct 29, 2004, 02:34 PM
I don't know how the TSA process works, but it's not likely that the perp would leave their calling card. I'd train my focus on anyone else who would have come in contact with your bag. I know some conspirists would think, "But that's the perfect way to deflect attention! They rip you off and leave their card in your bag...no one would ever suspect them to be so stupid!"

Save it for the movies. It's more likely that it was someone working on either side of the TSA inspector...on the periphery. First, assuming your bag may have become suspect in the first place due to some detection device is a dead giveaway to anyone with half a brain that there's something of interest in that bag, probably electronic.

Second, if I'm a "criminally inclined" handler, chances are ANY bag coming through TSA's detour lane is probably worth a look-see for small electronic devices before it gets to the plane. Even if I'm in earshot of the TSA people and happen to overhear something like, "Oh, it's just another one of those f#*king iPods again". Third, what if I just happened to have seen the TSA inspector pull the iPod out of your suitcase and inspect it before putting it back. Now I know exactly where I can find it in a hurry.

Most criminals will, by nature, try to avoid being caught. As such, a small-time criminal ripping you off and leaving a calling card behind WOULD be stupid, because they assume, by conscious guilt, that they'll be the FIRST person questioned by authorities later as a result...a confrontation they'd have to prepare mentally for, later. And for what...an iPod? Not likely.
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You provide some good thought to my previous post. Since if we don't have a TSA approved lock (meaning one; TSA can open, and I assume the less desirable elements of society), that lock may be cut off by the TSA to inspect baggage according to being the "x th" bag in line or a bag that scans shows something that requires attention.

Why not provide to any traveler that requests it a sealable tag like those used on interstate transit trucks? They carry a serial number. If the TSA had to break that "seal", their notice of inspection would be a similar device attached to the baggage. This would deter the common thieves among us.

Again video surveillance of a TSA inspection would be done. Relative simple technology exists to allow for syncing of the original baggage ID, to the TSA inspection ID. IMO the reason that we don't see this is one of easy finger pointing by the TSA and the airlines. Also the attitude by some that everyone is a criminal. Meaning that Delthalaz's claim is now a three way split.

Delthalaz claims that an iPod was in the checked bag (not doubting your claim here Delthalaz). TSA will say that their people did no wrong. And the airline saying that they bear no responsibility for the loss. How is Delthalaz to prove that they had an iPod in their bag? Unlike homeowners/renters insurance (at least in my own experience), the burden of proof seems to be on the flyer that the piece missing was there to begin with.

Some have tried to make it seem that the airlines (and because of the requirements by the government - meaning the TSA) are limited in their responsibilities. This is two-fold IMO. One is the contract, and the other deals with customer service.

As much as I love a low airfare, I am also willing to pay more for the service. Meaning an airline that did duck the issue of delayed or lost baggage or personal items, that had compassionate policies, and cared for the customer - I would be willing to pay a "fair" price for that airline.

I have had first hand reports from friends and associates that paid $1200 to go from IAD to PHX (or similar fares) getting the same runaround as those that paid $200 on delayed baggage or lost items.

Yes, direct flights help. But not always. Yes, jxyama, flying a "main" carrier may help - but not always. the realities are is that if they can take "higher priced cargo"; but try and time your bags arrival with other flights they will do it.

5300cs
Oct 30, 2004, 08:13 AM
To the original poster: would you happen to be one of the victims of this? Just found it on USA Today mobile (sorry)

http://www.usatoday.com/wireless/wince_os/travel1.asp

iJon
Oct 30, 2004, 10:30 AM
To the original poster: would you happen to be one of the victims of this? Just found it on USA Today mobile (sorry)

http://www.usatoday.com/wireless/wince_os/travel1.asp
Wow, looks like the those people who had items stolen didn't get the memo "Move on." Good read up even though its short nature. Maybe this will help the original poster get it back.

iJon

Sun Baked
Oct 30, 2004, 10:37 AM
To the original poster: would you happen to be one of the victims of this? Just found it on USA Today mobile (sorry)

http://www.usatoday.com/wireless/wince_os/travel1.aspI think one of the frequent travel authors recommended FedEx or UPS to deliver your luggage to your house, instead of carrying it on the plane with you.

More likely to arrive, and you can make sure it's insured in full.

Cohiba
Oct 30, 2004, 11:55 AM
Save yourself a lot of time and heartache and get over it.

It's gone for good, like it or not.

Sorry it happened to you, but the sooner you move on the better.

You're not getting it or compensation for it.

iGary - you're clueless. You can get compensation for it. You'll have to fight for it, and it will surely take some time and effort, but go for it! Hold them accountable!