Steve Offers Glimpse Of Keynote 2.0?

[MacRumors]

During yesterday's Media announcement involving the U2 iPod, iPod Photo, and International iTMS stores, Steve was using what appeared to be a version of keynote with features not yet released in the wild. An independent photoblog (http://homepage.mac.com/lesposen/blogwavestudio/index.html) shows the images and transitions. Given Steve's propensity to use only Apple-made items when possible, it's doubtful these were made with 3rd party plugins.

Keynote 2.0 has been rumored (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/09/20040924114308.shtml) to be on the update slate for a few months.

[Wonder Boy]

hopefully keynote 2 will be bundled in the "MS Office Killer".

[Laslo Panaflex]

I noticed that the text was using a tracking in method as well when I watched the Keynote. Also, there was a ripple transition, and a fade from behind text zoom.

It would be great to get an update of keynote, I really want to use it here at work, but I can't create presentations as quickly as I can with Powerpoint. . . of course the keynote ones look way cooler, with quartz effects and all.

[the_mole1314]

The ripple transition was amazing. I hope there is more that just some new transitions, like, oh FASTER. How about a better user interface without all the properties windows floating around.

[deral]

I loved the page turning effect

[t300]

Duh...who didn't see those Tiger style ripple effects?

[BWhaler]

God, i hope so too.

And, I hope Apple puts in all of the presenter tools which have become standard with PPT 2004. Having the timer, next slide, notes, etc. is simply fantastic, and is tempting me to switch back to PPT.

I have stuck with Keynote since I want to support Apple and because I think Keynote displays cleaners. But the anemic functionality for presenters is geting tiring. I hope it's not just a bunch of new transitions...or even worse, there is no 2.0 version.

[vollspacken]

oooooooooh yes!!!

I'll buy Keynote 2 the day it's announced if it will include these features

vSpacken

[johnnyjibbs]

It's funny. I knew Jobbs used Keynote for his keynotes. I also noticed the Tiger droplet effects. What I didn't make was the connection.

I'm hoping for an update - although that droplet effect looks like it would require Tiger. Mind you, I suppose it could just supply its own version, a la Motion for Panther.

I don't think we'll see an Apple office suite - they've made it clear that they don't want to move into Microsoft's territory for fear of MS Office being withdrawn from Mac. I was starting to get the impression that Keynote was just going to quietly rest in peace and be allowed to fade into oblivion. (Apple may have originally wanted to create an MS Office killer but now squashed that idea).

I'm in the situation where I have PowerPoint v.X and, yes, I would love Keynote, but I can't justify getting it. Sure, it's better than PowerPoint, but PowerPoint is still functional and I can't justify the extra cost. I was also worried that as soon as I bought Keynote, version 2 would come out. Now, maybe my interest is renewed.

[bentmywookie]

My guess is that he was running a new version of Keynote on Tiger - since those effects are just like the CoreImage ones demoed at WWDC. I don't think Keynote 2.0 will be released before Tiger.

[maya]

From this glimpse all I can say is SWeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet. :D


I bet that Keynote 2.0 will sport the same feature set as PP 2004. And also have the icing to top of the cake. :D

Bring it, bring it, bring it. Can't wait. :D

[macridah]

I also noticed that too. But since i'm not a power user of keynote (i don't use powerpoint either), I didn't know if that was new or just a cool feature of keynote 1.

[agentkow]

God, i hope so too.

And, I hope Apple puts in all of the presenter tools which have become standard with PPT 2004. Having the timer, next slide, notes, etc. is simply fantastic, and is tempting me to switch back to PPT.

I have stuck with Keynote since I want to support Apple and because I think Keynote displays cleaners. But the anemic functionality for presenters is geting tiring. I hope it's not just a bunch of new transitions...or even worse, there is no 2.0 version.

I've been sticking with Keynote as well, and always get compliments on how nice my "Powerpoint" looks, but there are some sorely needed features. Like when you are using two screens and the screen you are looking at doesn't show you what is coming next after it gets to the bottom of the column: what's with that!? Those timing things would be awesome too...

But my questions is, does Apple usually offer an update price if you have software, such as Keynote 1? I've bought Jaguar and Panther upgrade versions, but never regular standalone software.

[crazedbytheheat]

Wonder if you'll be able to export Keynote presentations to the new iPod and then just plug that into a projector. That would be a pretty neat feature, IMO.

[lewdvig]

I got a $100,000 sale. Not my biggest sale but a nice one.

I was at a tradeshow and our PC was tied up for software demos. I had brought my handy dandy TiBook (to keep me amused) and just bought Keynote on eBay (cheap). I wanted to try it out.

I put together a nice presenetation with some charts showing cost comparisons and spinning cude transitions. 10 minutes work and I had the nicest presentation in the tradeshow (huge show). It really POPPED.

Caught the eye of some passing people including a decision maker or two and a few months later I had taken a national account away from one of my rivals.

[Rower_CPU]

Wonder if you'll be able to export Keynote presentations to the new iPod and then just plug that into a projector. That would be a pretty neat feature, IMO.

That's an interesting idea - the presentations would have to be simplified (transitions/animations/media removed) but it could work pretty well.

[the_mole1314]

Wonder if you'll be able to export Keynote presentations to the new iPod and then just plug that into a projector. That would be a pretty neat feature, IMO.

THAT would be cool!

[bryanc]

I can probably continue holding my breath until January, but if Keynote continues to languish much beyond then, I'll have to hold my nose and buy Office 2004 to get PowerPoint.

I've been using Keynote for presentations, and it really blew people away before PowerPoint copied many of the nice transitions. I still think Keynote presentations look better, but the lack of presenter control and other features now available in PowerPoint have forced me to consider switching back to PowerPoint.

Unlike Microsoft, Apple's software development folks really seem to understand how people *use* computers and are consistently able to make tools that fit the users, rather than forcing users to adapt to the tools. I'd love to see Keynote evolve into the KillerApp for the digital communicator. Something that embraces the interactive presentation over the didactic lecture. Something teachers, scientists, engineers, artists, and business people can use to facilitate the communication of *complex* ideas, rather than something that facilitates obfuscation and over-simplification in a sales-pitch.

If you have ideas for improvements for Keynote, pop over to Apple's Keynote Forum (http://discussions.info.apple.com/) and add your suggestions. At the very least, more people expressing their interest should help motivate them to bring out a new version.

[Tulse]

Wonder if you'll be able to export Keynote presentations to the new iPod and then just plug that into a projector. That would be a pretty neat feature, IMO.

Keynote relies heavily on Quartz, and lots of processing power, so I doubt one could run it on an iPod. You could export the presentation as a series of still images, of course, although I'm not clear on whether the new iPod Photo slide show function allows you the option of manually advancing images.

[maya]

Keynote relies heavily on Quartz, and lots of processing power, so I doubt one could run it on an iPod. You could export the presentation as a series of still images, of course, although I'm not clear on whether the new iPod Photo slide show function allows you the option of manually advancing images.

Someone see this presentation on the go, being implemented in the rev B. iPod photo. I think so. :D

Basic transitions will be fine and can be improved upon later.

[Savage Henry]

Man, my post Christmas shopping list is just getting bigger now with Apple products!

Keynote 2 will just rock ..... (I normally hate that expression, but feel it to be justified in this case)

[JeffTL]

I really would like to see the ability to run Keynote shows off an iPod -- the technology exists with iPod Photo, and it'd clearly increase both Keynote and iPod Photo sales among the sales and public speaking communities, though it'd also discourage some people from buying a PowerBook to go along with their desktop Mac, provided that a $500 iPod Photo could do the job...on the other hand, if it weren't PowerPoint compatible people would buy Keynote for the convenience of being able to use something as small as an iPod to effectively display slideshows.



EDIT: I personally am a PowerPoint 2004 user when I must give a slideshow. It came with my Word and Excel academic package, what can I say?

[johnnyjibbs]

But my questions is, does Apple usually offer an update price if you have software, such as Keynote 1? I've bought Jaguar and Panther upgrade versions, but never regular standalone software.
Apple does sometimes offer upgrade versions but, as Keynote is one of their cheapest pieces of software, I'm not so sure they will. Final Cut Express 1 users could upgrade to FCE 2 for £69 (RRP of FCE: £200).

By the way, Jaguar and Panther are not upgrade versions - the $129/£99 you pay is the same whether you have the previous version of Mac OS X or whether you're jumping in from OS 9 or an even older version of OS X. (This is a major sticking point with many Mac users).

Wonder if you'll be able to export Keynote presentations to the new iPod and then just plug that into a projector. That would be a pretty neat feature, IMO.
While a good idea in theory, I don't see how this offers much more advantage than just simply using the HD space of the iPod (any iPod) to transfer to a computer set up at the projector. In my experience, they always offer a laptop already plugged in for use with presentations so the iPod could just be used as an easy transfer device.

[nagromme]

YES you can give presentations--slides exported from Keynote, PowePoint, or anything--on an iPod Photo!

I will defenitely have by portfolio and some business slides on my iPod, ready to show--with music from SoundTrack :) --at any time. No need for a laptop--just a cable and a TV!

iPod won't have the nifty animated effects, but it DOES have:

* Manual advance (as well as timed if you wish).

* Transitions (optional). What IS the iPod "transition"? I don't know. A fade would be really cool, but maybe it's just a simple wipe. I doubt it has more than one.

* Music--or any audio you care to use, for that matter. No reason a voiceover track couldn't be put into iTunes.

* Simplicity. That equals reliability and peace of mind.

* A remote control... it IS one, if you have a long enough cord :) Or get this RF remote:
http://www.engineeredaudio.com/products/remote2.html

That's sufficient for basic presentations. And the screens themselves can look as slick as they did in Keynote.

It would be cool if Keynote exported directly into iTunes/iPhoto/iPod to make this extra simple.

[johnnyjibbs]

* Transitions (optional). What IS the iPod "transition"? I don't know. A fade would be really cool, but maybe it's just a simple wipe. I doubt it has more than one.
I only saw Jobbs use the wipe transition in his demos. If there had been more, such as his favourite - the cube transition, I'd have thought he would have been showing them off and boasting about them.

[agentkow]

By the way, Jaguar and Panther are not upgrade versions - the $129/£99 you pay is the same whether you have the previous version of Mac OS X or whether you're jumping in from OS 9 or an even older version of OS X. (This is a major sticking point with many Mac users).

I realize this is true for the $129 versions, but the versions I bought, both conveniently just after they were introduced on a computer I had just bought, were offered to me for $29.99 as an upgrade. My iBook came with OS X just before Jaguar was introduced, so that was an upgrade version, and then my Powerbook came with Jaguar just as Panther was introduced, so that was an upgrade too.

It was great how that worked out both times...

[swissmann]

We all know it is coming - just a matter of when.

[applekid]

My thoughts:

Steve was probably using Keynote 2.0 with Tiger. The new Keynote effects will probably be possible through Tiger's CoreImage and CoreVideo.

[Jaz]

My guess is that he was running a new version of Keynote on Tiger - since those effects are just like the CoreImage ones demoed at WWDC. I don't think Keynote 2.0 will be released before Tiger.

That's a very good guess. Core Image and Video form the foundation of Motion, and all those effects are in Motion; which is a phenomenal app BTW and making things so much easier for me these days :). Tiger will put them into the OS, rather than a specific app, which is exactly how Keynote would access such features as they are hardware dependent.

[zakee00]

well, if you think about it, it IS possible to have transitions on the iPod Photo.
keynote can export the transitions as a series of still photos, at say 25-30 fps. and then it can be like a flipbook :D if the whole transition was 2 seconds, figure 55 pictures for one transition. thats not bad, espicially with a 60gb hd :D

overall from what i have seen of keynote 1, powerpoint is much more powerful at professional. unless keynote 2 can compete, i have to reason to purchase it. the transitions are MUCH cooler though, thats for sure :D

[johnnyjibbs]

I realize this is true for the $129 versions, but the versions I bought, both conveniently just after they were introduced on a computer I had just bought, were offered to me for $29.99 as an upgrade. My iBook came with OS X just before Jaguar was introduced, so that was an upgrade version, and then my Powerbook came with Jaguar just as Panther was introduced, so that was an upgrade too.
Oh I see, sorry. Yes that is true.

[QOUTE]It was great how that worked out both times...[/QUOTE]
Lucky or unlucky? If you'd have purchased a month later in both cases, you would have saved yourself $60 (2x$30) ;)

Still, better than not qualifying for the discount I guess...

[Bandit]

Did anyone else notice the small green word bubble that was also used in Steve's presentation? Another nice effect.

I like the new visual features but Keynote really needs more functionality to replace powerpoint for me. Hyperlinks are a must and add more controls for dealing with bulleted lists. Ever try adding 2 bulleted lists to a single slide. Pain in the butt. Hopefully we will all be happy come January.

[SiliconAddict]

"MS Office Killer".


AKA Apple Killer.....No Office == dead in the enterprise.

[toxer]

Wanna bet we are going to see tons of iPod updates before the keynote 2 release?

[azdude]

AKA Apple Killer.....No Office == dead in the enterprise.

Bingo... killing Office would be one of the worst things Apple could do right now.

In my opinion, even attempting to compete would be a bad idea.

[Tulse]

iPod won't have the nifty animated effects, but it DOES have:

* Manual advance (as well as timed if you wish).

* Transitions (optional). What IS the iPod "transition"? I don't know. A fade would be really cool, but maybe it's just a simple wipe. I doubt it has more than one.

nagromme, where did you find this info?

[AmigoMac]

The ripple effect is not specifically from Core Image, you can find it if you set up a slide show with iDVD... Keynote in January, no way!

$39.90 the update :mad:

[nagromme]

nagromme, where did you find this info?

Right on Apple's iPod pages. Specs page, mentions those features, for one. (And someone just posted that the transition on iPod is a wipe.)

Also, a recent review (link escapes me... NY Times I think?) explained the iPod Photo's TV slideshow mode: what it shows on TV/projector is DIFFERENT from what's on the iPod: the iPod shows the presenter a special interface with three thumbnails--previous, current, and next--while the audience just sees the current image.

How cool is that, to have your REMOTE (in essence) show the next slide on a tiny screen?

Not sure what else, if anything, the presenter UI has.

(So if the iPod can do true "dual displays" why not the iBook? ;) )

[AmigoMac]

The ripple effect is not from core image, you can find it in iDVD if you do slideshows...

[~Shard~]

Nice catch! Obviously Keynote 2.0 is coming eventually (as do all upgrades) but this probably indicates it will be coming sooner rather than later. Perhaps it will be bundled with Tiger? ;)

[~Shard~]

Oh, and Lazlo Panaflex – nice avatar, that’s one of my favorite SNL skits from the past few years. Will Ferrell always cracks me up... :cool:

[hob]

I only saw Jobbs use the wipe transition in his demos. If there had been more, such as his favourite - the cube transition, I'd have thought he would have been showing them off and boasting about them.

The cube would have surely required some kinda open gl support... I don't seem them building that into an ipod for a coupla years... unless you want at 12" screen as well... hold on - may as well buy an iBook/Powerbook...!

For presentations, I use Salling Clicker - my bluetooth phone hooked up to my bluetooth powerbook to control a presentation. However, the first rule of presentation speaking is that something will go wrong, so I guess having an iPod backup is cool...

Plus it's an awesome feature as it is!!

Hob

[Wonder Boy]

AKA Apple Killer.....No Office == dead in the enterprise.

even if it was fully compatible with Office? if "AppleWorks X" or whatever it could be called would kill Apple in the enterprise sector, why are so many people calling for it? obviously they don't want apple to fail, there has to be a benifit to a Apple office suite.

[johnnyjibbs]

even if it was fully compatible with Office? if "AppleWorks X" or whatever it could be called would kill Apple in the enterprise sector, why are so many people calling for it? obviously they don't want apple to fail, there has to be a benifit to a Apple office suite.
Best to keep Microsoft sweet. ;)

Besides, an Apple Office suite would be compatible with Office but never as compatible as MS Office, just like Keynote is with PowerPoint at present.

[corywoolf]

i would think apple has been working on a new appleworks that will integrate keynote with all new word processor, spreadsheet, and mail apps that will of course be synced with your address book and ical. something really big is coming, its been a while since they released anything in that market. I know they were smart to pursue the movie art creation apps though. i dont think apple will give up on a office like package, after all M$ doesnt provide any syncronization with other apple apps. although i would have thought there would be rumors already about his package, so i don't know. maybe the package will be released next year near back to school time? :rolleyes:

[grabberslasher]

Just FWIW, Keynote 2 is closer than most of you think. And yes, it is coming, along with a new iApp (which I do not know anything else about, except that it will be huge and it's being developed in Paris). Please don't ask me where I get my info and I don't care if you believe me or not.

Oh, and news of Powerbook G5 (yes there's one in every thread, lol) is that nothing is planned or expected before WWDC next year. I'm happy 'cause by then my current powerbook will be a year old. So I won't feel really bad when it comes out.

[Mechcozmo]

I like Keynote, but I just use PowerPoint because it:

1) Came in the student edition, along with Word, Excel, and Entourage
2) More compatible
3) Overall has more features and is more mature than Keynote

But if you would like to make a donation to me, Keynote is fine. :rolleyes: :cool: :D

[angelneo]

That's a very good guess. Core Image and Video form the foundation of Motion, and all those effects are in Motion; which is a phenomenal app BTW and making things so much easier for me these days :). Tiger will put them into the OS, rather than a specific app, which is exactly how Keynote would access such features as they are hardware dependent.

If that's the case then wouldn't it make keynote less portable? For example, you did a presentation on your powermac with tiger installed but later you might need to pop it into your ibook for a presentation to your client and it wouldn't work then if the ibook does not support some core image functions. I think this scenario is quite common.

[Tulse]

I think the intent is for Core Image and Core Video to gracefully degrade -- if your application calls Core Image, but the hardware doesn't support it, the app won't break, the effect just won't appear.

So I doubt that a Core Image-enabled version of Keynote wouldn't run presentations on lower-end machines -- my guess is that, instead, the transitions and effects that depend on Core Image simply won't work. That's not ideal, but it's better than a) having the entire app break, or b) waiting to incorporate the cool Core Image technology into Keynote until eveyone has machines that will support it.

[johnnyjibbs]

I hope Apple does keep up with Keynote. It's such a shame that the world of presentation is based on crappy PowerPoint. And while the Mac versions aren't too bad (I only have v.X and it is ok, PP2004 is much better, based on the trial version), the latest PC version is still really rubbish and that's what I generally have to present on (I can take my PB in but peoploe groan while I have to swap the cables over). Unfortunately, until fundamental things change with Windows (i.e. Longhorn is released) we're not going to get that.

My problem is that Keynote is always going to be a niche market and so, even with all these effects and stuff, we'll still be limited by having to show them back using PowerPoint most of the time.

The problem is worsened by the fact that, even on the Mac, it's not worth splashing the money out on Keynote if you get PowerPoint included with Office (which most people need). Word and Excel bought separately cost more than Office anyway, so you might as well get PowerPoint and Entourage. People like me can't justify spending more money then on Keynote as well, when PowerPoint "will do". :(

I hope this is right though. Apple please don't kill Keynote :eek: :(

[BWhaler]

Keynote 2.0 cannot come soon enough.

With that said, I will wait another year if it means Keynote 2.0 is an amazing, market-leading upgrade.

[JoeAlamaiz]

I think the intent is for Core Image and Core Video to gracefully degrade -- if your application calls Core Image, but the hardware doesn't support it, the app won't break, the effect just won't appear.

So I doubt that a Core Image-enabled version of Keynote wouldn't run presentations on lower-end machines -- my guess is that, instead, the transitions and effects that depend on Core Image simply won't work. That's not ideal, but it's better than a) having the entire app break, or b) waiting to incorporate the cool Core Image technology into Keynote until eveyone has machines that will support it.

Actually, Core Image and Video will work as long as they're running on Tiger. As long as a computer supports the OS it will work, only that the playback quality will degrade if there's not hardware GPU that supports Core. Just like any other window dressing I guess... :rolleyes:

[walkingmac]

This is the MAIN reason I am planning on purchasing the iPod Photo. It is a great portable system that you can plug in ANYWHERE and use to do a presentation. Tru, the only transition is the wipe and there are no animations, but that is ok. All you have to do is create your presentation in Keynote, export it out to an interactive quicktime video, export that out to an image sequence, and load that into your new iPod Photo and off to the meeting you go. That is SO great to have available to without the need of a computer, dvd player, or other system that you don't know the in's and out's of (you know, that crappy M$ machine they have hooked up to the screen). You don't even have to drag you powerbook out your bag and hook it up, just take your ear-buds out of yoy head, plug in the A/V connection, and present away. NICE... MUST HAVE.... DADDY LIKE!

[ravenvii]

I'd love to have something like a iPod Photo for presentations, that'd improve my presenting ability immensely (carry around the iPod and press next when I need to, without having to "and... (walks back to laptop, press next) THIS!" :)

Actually, is there a remote like Steve Jobs uses for a laptop? Bluetooth maybe? (I know about the cell phone-based clicker, but I don't want to buy a cell phone for that)

[vollspacken]

Actually, is there a remote like Steve Jobs uses for a laptop? Bluetooth maybe? (I know about the cell phone-based clicker, but I don't want to buy a cell phone for that)

aaaaaaaaaaaand... ACTION!!! LINK (http://www.keyspan.com/products/usb/presentationremote/)

vSpacken