This has to be done to finish the space station but one problem, how old are these shuttles and the technology they are using. Its past time for a shuttle replacement. These things were dreamed up in the late 60s and 70s...... I imagine if we didnt squander 200 billion in Iraq we could have a nice new system that could run circles around the shuttle and actually reach high orbit or more. We can do better.iGAV said:
Mr. Anderson said:They need a replacement and I hope that some work has been done on them past the drawing board. But I also think it will be up to the President after the election to handle directly and might be one reason nothing major has happened yet on that.
Especially in light of the X-Prize recently, there should be some renewed interest in keeping NASA ahead of the future competition.
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wdlove said:Apparently the recent hurricanes have caused the delay of March to June. I pray that the problems of Columbia have been properly fixed. Also that NASA is working on a replacement to the shuttle.
MacNut said:The problem wasn't as much of Columbia as it was the external tank. But the bigger problem was the escape plan that was nonexistent, with no way to get to the ISS in the event of a massive problem.
Mechcozmo said:We need to upgrade the shuttles with G5s.
I agree the shuttle needs a replacement... rather old. Works quite well. Kinda. You get the idea.
AoWolf said:I think one of the problems with Nasa today is the lack of adventure. Almost the lack to take risks. Something needs to happen to re-ignite them. As for a shuttle replacement I think we would get more for our money buy just paying Lockheed or boeing to build it rather then letting the government.
AoWolf said:I think one of the problems with Nasa today is the lack of adventure. Almost the lack to take risks.
gwuMACaddict said:sending anyone to space at anytime is a HUGE risk! its amazing that NASA has been able to make space travel seem routine, but there are ALWAYS risks...
Dont Hurt Me said:I know we have talked before about this but it seems a big problem with Govt is the staggering amount of money wasted on design,redesign,paperwork and more paperwork. They should use a govt sponsered program of getting manufactors involved in a contest to produce the next best thing. have it partially funded by the govt but let private enterprise design and build it. Remove as much beauracratic waste as possible. If govt does it it will cost us all 10 -100 times what it should. Just like shuttle did.
Dont Hurt Me said:We need a logical long term approach and it starts with a better,( cheaper ) safer and more reliable way to orbit using todays technologies. And like Mr. Anderson says then do the other stuff. We should have a Super Xprize for a new 4 person plus small cargo to high orbit machine. Send large freight through unmanned rockets or even modified shuttle. Make this a govt sponsored deal but not designed by the govt. sort of this is what we want and go to it boys. Shuttle is only getting older meaning less safe.
Dont Hurt Me said:We need a logical long term approach and it starts with a better,( cheaper ) safer and more reliable way to orbit using todays technologies. And like Mr. Anderson says then do the other stuff. We should have a Super Xprize for a new 4 person plus small cargo to high orbit machine. Send large freight through unmanned rockets or even modified shuttle. Make this a govt sponsored deal but not designed by the govt. sort of this is what we want and go to it boys. Shuttle is only getting older meaning less safe.
MacBandit said:Spaceship one is being turned into this sort of use without the need for a new Government X-Prize. The new version is to hole 4 people so they can charge for rides into space. The next step is obviously cargo.
Mr. Anderson said:They've got a long way to go before they get into orbit - and Spaceship One is extremely light, not really a heavy duty workhorse you'd need to make routine orbital flights. Especially since the cargo weight is limited and many satellites that are put into orbit with more conventional means weigh much more than Spaceship One itself.
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Lord Blackadder said:Spaceship One was quite an achievement, but, like someone said earlier, many people have gotten so used to the Shuttle that they overlook the fact that it remains unique in its capabilities to this day. All other nations/groups capable of manned space flight (Russia, China, the EU though they haven't tried yet) have for generally financial reasons restricted space vehicles to the capsule type. Yeah, the shuttle is EXPENSIVE.
As for age, yes the shuttles are old but they are essentially rebuilt after each flight. They are very complex and require constant attention but their design is sound. Airframes can lead very long lives - look at the B-52 fleet, those aircraft won't be retired until they are over 80 years old!.
Lord Blackadder said:Yes Chip NoVaMac, you are a bit better at being succinct than I.
I guess I've just heard too many people saying that the STS is too old to do its job anymore, whereas its really more a case nowadays that we want something that will do more for less.
The shuttle's probably due for an avionics/mission computer upgrade at any rate. How 'bout an "Astro Xserve G5" ?