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Syke.
Jun 30, 2010, 01:34 AM
I am waiting for the new Mac Pro. I was wondering who else is waiting? Post here!



Vylen
Jun 30, 2010, 01:49 AM
Everyone.

strausd
Jun 30, 2010, 02:01 AM
Everyone.

+1

appleguy123
Jun 30, 2010, 02:05 AM
+1

+2 The MAc Pro's target market knows technology. I'd be surprised if Apple sold more than 10 Mac Pros a day at this point.

Deepshade
Jun 30, 2010, 02:11 AM
+2 The MAc Pro's target market knows technology. I'd be surprised if Apple sold more than 10 Mac Pros a day at this point.

+1

Jigsaw24 in the UK have had over 100 MacPros in stock for a few months now - stock level has changed hardly at all.

simonisme
Jun 30, 2010, 02:22 AM
ditto... need a new workstation bad.... but no way i'm paying the price for the current mac pro...

hexagonheat
Jun 30, 2010, 02:35 AM
ditto... need a new workstation bad.... but no way i'm paying the price for the current mac pro...

Queue the fanboys that will tell you "blah blah apple doesn't owe you anything... don't buy it then... it's more than enough... professionals buy the machine the day they need it otherwise they aren't true professionals... it's still a good system... blah blah" :rolleyes:

Personally if I was going to plunk down $4K for a new machine I'd be upset if it was updated right after the grace period where I could no longer return it.

jjahshik32
Jun 30, 2010, 02:57 AM
You can count me in as waiting. If something awesome comes in the next update, I might just pick one up.

ValSalva
Jun 30, 2010, 04:40 AM
I'm very much on that waiting list. Suddenly the worst case scenario of September that was raised in May doesn't seem that far off any more.

simonisme
Jun 30, 2010, 04:51 AM
Personally if I was going to plunk down $4K for a new machine I'd be upset if it was updated right after the grace period where I could no longer return it.

I would go nuts if I paid the price it is at right now and next week or next month it get's updated... The graphic card now is basically pointless, and everything else is overpriced by now..

I guess I can wait till the end of July, maybe August, but by September I really need a new machine.. The iMac's screen sucks for me personally so that isn't really an option... and I hear the imac might be updated as well in the near future.

Going back to windows is not an option.. so I guess another mbp is the only option for me, tho I really wanted a desktop..

mism
Jun 30, 2010, 05:04 AM
Waiting (just like Steve told me too). I wish he'd answer my emails, I guess they aren't 'on message'.

zeigerpuppy
Jun 30, 2010, 05:11 AM
gave up waiting in March and built my own!

KainProject
Jun 30, 2010, 05:32 AM
I'm sick of waiting.. It's been too long, too long.
I'm sorry, Mr. Jobs, but Mr. Gates will now get my money.

Oh, a +1 for lack of good info on this website. It made me back off on purchasing a Mac Pro in December, due to the fact that it was listed as 'Don't Buy - Updates soon'.

Vylen
Jun 30, 2010, 06:00 AM
I'm sick of waiting.. It's been too long, too long.
I'm sorry, Mr. Jobs, but Mr. Gates will now get my money.

Oh, a +1 for lack of good info on this website. It made me back off on purchasing a Mac Pro in December, due to the fact that it was listed as 'Don't Buy - Updates soon'.

Why'd you switch to Mac if you can stick with Windows in the first place?

chaosbunny
Jun 30, 2010, 06:11 AM
Count me in. Twice.

The company I'm working for is holding off my work Mac Pro purchase because of the horrible price/performance ratio right now. And if the update is good I might buy one for home use too.

telequest
Jun 30, 2010, 06:42 AM
Queue the fanboys that will tell you "blah blah apple doesn't owe you anything... don't buy it then... it's more than enough... professionals buy the machine the day they need it otherwise they aren't true professionals... it's still a good system... blah blah" :rolleyes:


Ditto this.

Waiting to buy 2 for pro use. Hope to keep in use for about 5 years. Don't want want to cripple the investment at the outset by purchasing current model thats outdated and/or has bad value/money ratio. Obviously would buy now if a new project required more power than we currently have.

Nate Hoffman
Jun 30, 2010, 07:05 AM
I work in a studio with 8 other guys. I think 5 of us are waiting to buy new Mac Pros as soon as they are released. So yeah, +5 here.

Concorde Rules
Jun 30, 2010, 07:10 AM
I'm sick of waiting.. It's been too long, too long.
I'm sorry, Mr. Jobs, but Mr. Gates will now get my money.

Oh, a +1 for lack of good info on this website. It made me back off on purchasing a Mac Pro in December, due to the fact that it was listed as 'Don't Buy - Updates soon'.

Why? There is no technology out now that will suddenly make the 2009 Mac Pro slow and ****.

EXPENSIVE 6 core CPUs that will be added to the top end for extra £££ and maybe a GPU which if you were REALLY bothered you could buy separately.

Comments like this are ridiculous and stupid.

If you NEED a Mac Pro now BUY ONE. Waiting means your only buying it because you can afford it and want the latest and greatest, not because it has a task to perform!

And LOL at criticising a website giving you AN OPINION. Do you spend £2k+ on a computer without doing research first!? If so you would know what possible configurations could appear and what they may cost.

The amount of utter ridiculous rubbish posted on this site is astounding.

Personally I couldn't care if it is updated now or in a years time when there may be something new out and worth changing to!

simonisme
Jun 30, 2010, 07:36 AM
If you NEED a Mac Pro now BUY ONE. Waiting means your only buying it because you can afford it and want the latest and greatest, not because it has a task to perform!

Don't have much to say about the rest of your post. People have their opinion and people that are sick of waiting might get frustrated, with only a few words from Apple's side saying wether it will or will not be updated in the near future would be enough.

however your comment above is plain dumb.

It's not about the the newest, latest and greatest.... it's about spending alot of money on a pro machine. Which is now outdated. Especially the gpu in that kind of machine is a joke. Anyway, if you spend that money now and in 2 weeks the update occurs, that's just stupid and you would kick yourself in the nuts.

Maybe it won't have amazing new technology but at least the GPU will be better, maybe more RAM or more HD space... it might cost a few $ more or less that all doesn't really matter...

You will pay more or less the same but it will be the most current build which will be worth it's money.

if you go to the store to buy a watermelon, and you have a choice of one that has been there for 5 days or the one that just comes in fresh... you'll pick the fresh one.

An exception maybe, for bigger companies with larger budgets it won't really matter and your theory is correct, but for smaller businesses, with no huge cashflow, they want the best buy that last a long time.

keewe
Jun 30, 2010, 07:42 AM
count me in...

gonna work on quiet a big HD project in mid july/august. if apple won't release i til july 13, i'll buy a windows machine... even i'd prefer to work on mac only.

the editor
Jun 30, 2010, 08:02 AM
If you NEED a Mac Pro now BUY ONE. Waiting means your only buying it because you can afford it and want the latest and greatest, not because it has a task to perform!


So what if the people whom want to buy a MP just want the latest and greatest...its not as if your paying for it now is it? I'm buying a MacPro just to play on the internet..now get frustrated.:eek:

If you want to be a sucker pissing away money on last years technology than by all means go ahead...we don't mind

And who REALLY needs to have a MacPro anyway? you make it sound as if life depends on it... Its just a personal choice and lets leave it at that ...its not as if the Mac Pro is like the absolute best computer out there for heavy duty work, on the contrary, there are much faster and more up to date computers out there cheaper or in the same price range...some people stick to Mac, others stick to Windows but the time that Mac is better than a windows machine is long gone..Macs look better but Lack up to date hardware and thus performance.

xgman
Jun 30, 2010, 08:29 AM
waiting and waiting and waiting, but there is a limit . . . .

dimensional
Jun 30, 2010, 08:33 AM
here

macusersince5
Jun 30, 2010, 08:34 AM
been waiting since March... and still waiting.

parakiet
Jun 30, 2010, 08:41 AM
been waiting since March... and still waiting.

well... i started waiting when the almost stopped selling 2008 mac pros
wait for 2009, big change

now it's wait for 2011

bzollinger
Jun 30, 2010, 11:16 AM
I would have ordered one by now if it weren't a total rip in the shorts for what you get! Waiting and waiting, getting a little frustrated that Apple has done NOTHING!

Lower the price, or update the basic components to sweeten the deal. The SP 2.93Ghz, with 8GB RAM, and a 2TB HDD shouldn't cost me $3,498.00!!:mad:

jwire4
Jun 30, 2010, 11:17 AM
Waited for a while, but couldn't anymore. Just received my 8 Core Mac Pro CTO yesterday. Loving it!

odinsride
Jun 30, 2010, 11:36 AM
I may be depending on what they do with the GPU in the next Mac Pro/iMac. Itching to get rid of my gaming PC soon

mattbatt
Jun 30, 2010, 12:25 PM
waiting since G5 crapped out in late November 2009.

Using PC quad work computer for minor projects.

I could never justify such outrageous pricing for old technology. The 6 core processor is much faster, has more cache, faster memory. Heck, the older i7's compete head to head with the current MacPro quad.

Icaras
Jun 30, 2010, 12:35 PM
waiting since G5 crapped out in late November 2009.

Using PC quad work computer for minor projects.

I could never justify such outrageous pricing for old technology. The 6 core processor is much faster, has more cache, faster memory. Heck, the older i7's compete head to head with the current MacPro quad.

Waiting since I SOLD my G5 in APRIL of 2009. It's not a total loss for me though as I've been happy with my current Macbook Pro. But I sure could use the extra power and hard drive space.

hoosker
Jun 30, 2010, 01:28 PM
My old G5 is hanging on by a thread..

just one more week,

just one more week,

just one more week,

just one more week,

vonMarion
Jun 30, 2010, 01:37 PM
I know what you mean Hoosker,

I have a 5 year old Vaio laptop that is basically on life support now, as it has minimum battery life and serious overheating issues if not kept on a cooling pad.

It's come down to simply praying that my current computer holds off just...a....little...longer while I wait for the new Mac Pro.

xgman
Jun 30, 2010, 01:45 PM
My old G5 is hanging on by a thread..

just one more week,

just one more month,

just one more year,

just one more - sorry, discontinued,


:eek:

cohen777
Jun 30, 2010, 01:59 PM
I was intrigued by the March rumor release date. I thought for sure that at WWDC it would be announced and I followed the macrumors crawl about all the iphone stuff amazed that neither the Mac nor Mac OS was mentioned. I am now amazed that there is still no announcement. However, the money is in the bank and ready to purchase a new Mac Pro for blu-ray encoding and video editing.

hexagonheat
Jun 30, 2010, 03:07 PM
Comments like this are not "ridiculous and stupid." :rolleyes:

Maybe you don't understand what price gouging is. Apple is making at least 200% markup on their current MP and probably even more. "But how can you know this?" you might ask. Well I can go buy IDENTICAL parts in the MP in a RETAIL store and pay RETAIL price for about 50% of the current value of the MP.

The cost of the new MP will likely be on par with the current offerings based on the current pricing of intel's chips and the history of Apple's pricing philosophy. So if in fact the new MP is say 20% faster (which is a conservative estimate), that translates into serious time for large workflows and that saves businesses serious money. By your logic you should still be using the same Mac Pro that was released 7 years ago to do your work because buying anything new is just wanting the "latest greatest".

People here are not stupid. They don't like price gouging and they don't like people telling them they are stupid for not wanting to flush thousands of dollars down the toilet for nothing.

Why? There is no technology out now that will suddenly make the 2009 Mac Pro slow and ****.

EXPENSIVE 6 core CPUs that will be added to the top end for extra £££ and maybe a GPU which if you were REALLY bothered you could buy separately.

Comments like this are ridiculous and stupid.

If you NEED a Mac Pro now BUY ONE. Waiting means your only buying it because you can afford it and want the latest and greatest, not because it has a task to perform!

And LOL at criticising a website giving you AN OPINION. Do you spend £2k+ on a computer without doing research first!? If so you would know what possible configurations could appear and what they may cost.

The amount of utter ridiculous rubbish posted on this site is astounding.

Personally I couldn't care if it is updated now or in a years time when there may be something new out and worth changing to!

xgman
Jun 30, 2010, 03:44 PM
I am also amazed that there have been no recent, hints, leaks or news of any sort about Mac Pro. Someone should be able to glean some basic generalized info on what is going on here and post it anonymously. So maybe nothing is going on and that's the problem. I sure hope not. In any case I find it unsettling and quite strange.

mattbatt
Jun 30, 2010, 03:45 PM
Waiting since I SOLD my G5 in APRIL of 2009. It's not a total loss for me though as I've been happy with my current Macbook Pro. But I sure could use the extra power and hard drive space.

Well that is cool, I wish I would of sold my G5. I wish it were alive. Alas, I was offered $106 from sellyourmac.com Maybe I should keep my G5 and use it for office decoration or create some Dada esq art out of it. . .

Icaras
Jun 30, 2010, 03:47 PM
Why? There is no technology out now that will suddenly make the 2009 Mac Pro slow and ****.

EXPENSIVE 6 core CPUs that will be added to the top end for extra £££ and maybe a GPU which if you were REALLY bothered you could buy separately.

Comments like this are ridiculous and stupid.

If you NEED a Mac Pro now BUY ONE. Waiting means your only buying it because you can afford it and want the latest and greatest, not because it has a task to perform!

And LOL at criticising a website giving you AN OPINION. Do you spend £2k+ on a computer without doing research first!? If so you would know what possible configurations could appear and what they may cost.

The amount of utter ridiculous rubbish posted on this site is astounding.

Personally I couldn't care if it is updated now or in a years time when there may be something new out and worth changing to!

I understand your opinion and also agree that if you do need a machine like the Mac Pro now, then there really is little excuse not to buy, but really there is no need to defend Apple for what they are blatantly doing, and that is charging 16 month old prices on last year's technology. You can't ignore the fact that Apple is in competition with other PC companies, and when stacked against these other manufacturers, the value of the current MP is almost completely diminished, if it weren't for the fact that some users are tied to OSX due to specific software needs.

jjahshik32
Jun 30, 2010, 03:48 PM
Why? There is no technology out now that will suddenly make the 2009 Mac Pro slow and ****.

EXPENSIVE 6 core CPUs that will be added to the top end for extra £££ and maybe a GPU which if you were REALLY bothered you could buy separately.

Comments like this are ridiculous and stupid.

If you NEED a Mac Pro now BUY ONE. Waiting means your only buying it because you can afford it and want the latest and greatest, not because it has a task to perform!

And LOL at criticising a website giving you AN OPINION. Do you spend £2k+ on a computer without doing research first!? If so you would know what possible configurations could appear and what they may cost.

The amount of utter ridiculous rubbish posted on this site is astounding.

Personally I couldn't care if it is updated now or in a years time when there may be something new out and worth changing to!

Your argument is valid and I agree to a certain point (where if you absolutely need it RIGHT NOW) but if you can wait then you should wait because paying for the current Mac Pro models right now is paying of majorly outdated equipment.

20eman
Jun 30, 2010, 04:23 PM
I'm not in the market for a new Mac Pro... but I'm still eagerly awaiting a new Mac/PC GPU. My HD 4870 is not going to cut it for much longer, especially if I buy a 2560x1600 display anytime soon. There's not much point in upgrading to a GTX 285 anymore. I don't expect a dual-GPU miracle... but I think an HD 5870 or a GTX 480 would be eminently reasonable.

Aldaris
Jun 30, 2010, 04:34 PM
I need the upgradability, if there was a deal struck with ATI/nVidia, to have a custom card design to slide into the iMac (obviously huge co-op with apple). Then a lot of semi-pro, prosumers that buy MacPro would go high end iMac.

If they were to toss in a price break or spec bumps (memory anyone?) I'd buy now.

I'm getting close to the iMac just for the overall price for what you get, and then a Mac Pro later on when they update it (in a year or so) and then use the iMac for display...

Choices choices...

After playin the game since march, and having the funds in the bank since April, I say buy if you want, wait if you want let's drop this "you're not a pro you don't need it, you don't know what to do with that power..."

Its just where we are at in the Mac Pro realm. Deal with it and be civil.

Concorde Rules
Jul 1, 2010, 05:45 AM
I understand your opinion and also agree that if you do need a machine like the Mac Pro now, then there really is little excuse not to buy, but really there is no need to defend Apple for what they are blatantly doing, and that is charging 16 month old prices on last year's technology. You can't ignore the fact that Apple is in competition with other PC companies, and when stacked against these other manufacturers, the value of the current MP is almost completely diminished, if it weren't for the fact that some users are tied to OSX due to specific software needs.

I agree, it sucks Apple keeps the prices up, but then again it doesn't, as the value of my Mac Pro doesn't drop as quickly so actually overall this fact doesn't really matter...

I've been watching ebay for the price of my Mac Pro, first few months after launch showed the biggest drop but since then it's been going down very, very slowly, I mean £20 a month kind of depreciation, which for me is ridiculously good, bad for new purchasers, but good for me!

As for competition, the equivalent Dell is roughly the same price as what I paid for my Mac Pro in April 2009. (Difference is that it has a 5xxx generation GPU instead of a 4870 - which for a non-gaming machine is a rather minor point).

Mac Pro: £2145
Dell: £2045

I know which one i'd rather have.

So actually it's still pretty competitive with other manufacturers.


Comments like this are not "ridiculous and stupid." :rolleyes:

Maybe you don't understand what price gouging is. Apple is making at least 200% markup on their current MP and probably even more. "But how can you know this?" you might ask. Well I can go buy IDENTICAL parts in the MP in a RETAIL store and pay RETAIL price for about 50% of the current value of the MP.

The cost of the new MP will likely be on par with the current offerings based on the current pricing of intel's chips and the history of Apple's pricing philosophy. So if in fact the new MP is say 20% faster (which is a conservative estimate), that translates into serious time for large workflows and that saves businesses serious money. By your logic you should still be using the same Mac Pro that was released 7 years ago to do your work because buying anything new is just wanting the "latest greatest".

People here are not stupid. They don't like price gouging and they don't like people telling them they are stupid for not wanting to flush thousands of dollars down the toilet for nothing.

Thanks for bringing this up. As guess what? I come from a overclocking build it yourself background, I very VERY nearly bought a hackintosh instead. I'm not stupid with money, I did my research (spent 3 months, actually), did my homework and yet I still bought a Mac Pro for twice as much as a self build. Why? I didn't want the hassle. OS X is a very, very powerful selling point for me.

Audio problem was a right pain in the backside but now it's fixed it's been running PERFECTLY since, I couldn't care less my WORKSTATION CLASS computer is more expensive than a self build computer because other manufacturers cost give or take the same thing (see above - wow, what a difference!?!)

Are you having a go at dell/HP/etc for costing twice as much as you could build yourself? I'd agree with you if other PC manufacturers were costing far less, fact is they are not...

Murray M
Jul 1, 2010, 06:00 AM
present

chaosbunny
Jul 1, 2010, 07:51 AM
Are you having a go at dell/HP/etc for costing twice as much as you could build yourself? I'd agree with you if other PC manufacturers were costing far less, fact is they are not...

But fact is they are. Processor wise I agree with you, but for the amount of money that a base Mac Pro costs you'll get similar pcs with ATI 5870 gfx chips, 6-8 gb ram, 1-2 1 tb hds etc... adding these to a base Mac Pro quickly brings its price above 3000 bucks. And if you go from a Xeon to an i7 (which, in a single processor configuration, makes little to no difference) you can get such a system with the above addons for around 1500 €, where the Mac Pro starts at 2300 € and will reach 3000 € with these extras.

Jaxdialation
Jul 1, 2010, 08:24 AM
I will wait, my new MBPs have me sufficiently productive.

However I will only willing to pay a small premium over the Market value
of the main components. I am highly dependent on a few key applications.
They all run very well on a PC. I can make the Adobe suite dance on either platform.

Web browsing, email, music, MS Office docs - who cares, net books run these :)

I'd love to own a Pro, but the new rev will have to be uncharacteristically feature, function and price positioned to make me bother.

peakchua
Jul 1, 2010, 08:28 AM
+1`

reebzor
Jul 1, 2010, 09:30 AM
I assume by the time New Mac Pro's are out, I'll be a millionaire. My flying pig and I will have to take a break from our snowball fights in hell to go over to the apple store to pick one up.

Toaster Boy
Jul 1, 2010, 11:28 AM
I'm waiting...barely.

My current machine...

A Dual 800 G4 PowerMac. The 2001 model. Bought when announced.

Yes, it still works. Yes, it's still productive.

And before you laugh too hard at this antique, let me just say the machine has been a beast. I've produced 12 albums, 4 podcasts (one of which is currently featured in Apple's 5 years of podcasting section and one for a major entertainment company), I've also done productions done work for Cinematic Titanic on it and had it for general computing tasks since 2001.

Though this one still works, I'm in need of an upgrade. Was actually at the Apple Store last night and was about to buy a new one, but I just have that nagging that an update could be coming.

I just want a machine that will last me AS long as this one did. 9 years in August. I'd say that's pretty good.

So I wait....

ValSalva
Jul 1, 2010, 11:50 AM
I assume by the time New Mac Pro's are out, I'll be a millionaire. My flying pig and I will have to take a break from our snowball fights in hell to go over to the apple store to pick one up.

Don't piss off the pig because you will probably be the last man on earth :D

Concorde Rules
Jul 1, 2010, 12:02 PM
But fact is they are. Processor wise I agree with you, but for the amount of money that a base Mac Pro costs you'll get similar pcs with ATI 5870 gfx chips, 6-8 gb ram, 1-2 1 tb hds etc... adding these to a base Mac Pro quickly brings its price above 3000 bucks. And if you go from a Xeon to an i7 (which, in a single processor configuration, makes little to no difference) you can get such a system with the above addons for around 1500 €, where the Mac Pro starts at 2300 € and will reach 3000 € with these extras.

No, they are not. I'm talking WORKSTATIONs here, not 'desktops'. People forget this is a workstation class computer, and hence gets a price like one. Always has been the case, always will be. Thats why people call for a xMac which uses desktop components (i7 instead of Xeon), etc which would knock £500 off the price, maybe more.

My Mac Pro: £2145
Go and custom config a Dell workstation and you get £2045 give or take.
Go and custom config a HP workstation and you get around £1700.


Moving on... Top end octo 2.93Ghz Mac Pro: £5368
Custom Dell: £4650

So moving up the ladder creates a larger difference in price but either way, at the start the difference isn't that great.

Custom build from parts (for my spec Mac Pro): £1500 (can be less depending on parts, but if I went this way NOW i'd get a decent X58 mobo, 5870, decent Lian Li case, etc. - This doesn't include HD, fans, bluetooth and all the silly little parts you need). Not to mention no 3 year warranty, hassle of fault finding if it goes wrong, etc.

For arguments sake lets say the difference between a decent overclocking computer and my Mac Pro is £650. Now this £650 is only worth it to people who rank OS X and the build quality of the Mac Pro. I do. Would I buy a 2009 Mac Pro again? Yes.

People are complaining that technology has moved on and that the prices haven't dropped, well it hasn't really apart from the CPU and GPU which cost more than the equiv 4 core chips (2.66GHz 6 core XEON = £800 - 4 core = £250ish).

If you NEED 6 cores you buy the 8 core mac pro, if you need 12 cores you wait.

My argument is getting a little messy here but the facts of the Mac Pro upgrade coming are this:

1. CPU choice: Either 6 core chips are going to be added CTO with no change in the rest of the line along with a slight price drop to reflect the reduction in costs of components OR the price will stay the same and all the CPUs get shifted down one. Eg Base Mac Pro will be 2.93Ghz and the top CTO will be the 3.33Ghz 6 core chips. Architecture changes? NONE - As there isn't one to move to!

2. GPU choice: Easy, whatever the low end nVidia is now of the GT120 and a 5870.

3. Rest of system: Maybe space for SSDs, unlikely to add more HD bays, bluetooth may change position.


Waiting will get you a 2010 system, will it be worth the wait? Probably not for the people at the bottom end...

Besides if it really bothers you find one of the many still-in-warranty 2009 Mac Pros on ebay for a cheaper option, then you get more for your money!

chaosbunny
Jul 1, 2010, 12:34 PM
...

Like I said, processor wise I agree with you. But again, it's in the ram, hd and gfx card department where the current Mac Pro seriously lacks behind - something you didn't even mention in your post, maybe since it simply can not be defended.

I'm also more concerned about the single processor Mac Pros. What a wonderful workstation with a maximum of 16 gb ram. And again, you basically don't gain anything from that Xeon over an i7 in there.

Aldaris
Jul 1, 2010, 12:36 PM
Concorde Rules Post 50... (someone beat me to it)
^^^

I agree with a large portion of this.

What really is there to go to right now? There is the 6/12 Core scenario, but thats just about it... It might be nice to have dedicated OS SSD, but thats in another thread...

I think the majority of us that are waiting need either:

-Workstation Power
-Expandability/Upgradability

Like the fellow using his 9 year Power Mac, he's not the only one, a portion of the Pro Desktop/Workstation buying base are people who need/want there machines to last... I know some businesses and studios, upgrade on a rotation because of their budget, but for the independent/hobbyist/bang for the buck/and hey is that a Mac Pro or are you just happy to see me crowd, We'll wait, and voice our waiting.

When the transition to the G5 came about Apple still had a large inventory of G4, buyers mostly bought for the ability to dual boot to 9 if they needed too, it also brought prices down for the G4 models. A large part of the 'cost' issue is that after having the same CTO and spec options for over a year (over 400+ days), a portion of those upgrades are wanting a break on something, a hundred dollar price cut, boost in stock memory, stock hard drive space, or maybe they are going the way of the iPhone 4 crowd and want a free bumper with every Mac Pro purchase...

Point is they want something...

But what is there really at the moment?

chaosbunny
Jul 1, 2010, 01:07 PM
Point is they want something...

But what is there really at the moment?

Hey, you greatly summed up my feelings about this. :)

I'd want 6gb ram and the ability to upgrade to 32 gb over time, a 1 tb hd and a gfx card that doesn't suck for 2500-2800 €. I don't think that's too much to ask for.

ValSalva
Jul 1, 2010, 01:35 PM
Hey, you greatly summed up my feelings about this. :)

I'd want 6gb ram and the ability to upgrade to 32 gb over time, a 1 tb hd and a gfx card that doesn't suck for 2500-2800 €. I don't think that's too much to ask for.

That sounds good. It doesn't seem like too much to ask for to me.

chaosbunny
Jul 1, 2010, 02:23 PM
That sounds good. It doesn't seem like too much to ask for to me.

You don't happen to be Steve Jobs by coincidence? :D

bzollinger
Jul 1, 2010, 02:30 PM
Hey, you greatly summed up my feelings about this. :)

I'd want 6gb ram and the ability to upgrade to 32 gb over time, a 1 tb hd and a gfx card that doesn't suck for 2500-2800 €. I don't think that's too much to ask for.

+1

If those basic parts were upgraded I'd buy today. Oh and I don't want to have to pay and extra $400 to go from 2.66GHz to 2.93GHz. $400 is a lot for a .27GHz increase. Furthermore a $1200 increase to go to a 3.33GHz??? What a rip!

ValSalva
Jul 1, 2010, 02:56 PM
You don't happen to be Steve Jobs by coincidence? :D

If I were SJ the response would probably be along the lines of: "Sounds about right. Don't worry." :D

gaspra
Jul 1, 2010, 04:52 PM
If I were SJ the response would probably be along the lines of: "Sounds about right. Don't worry." :D

and "replied from my ipad"

inaka
Jul 1, 2010, 11:18 PM
ditto... need a new workstation bad.... but no way i'm paying the price for the current mac pro...

this.

I'm in the exact same boat.

Blu-Ray
Jul 2, 2010, 12:25 AM
Wonder what Apple has planned now that Sandy Bridge is only 3-4 months away...

http://hothardware.com/News/Intels-Sandy-Bridge-AVX-Extensions-On-Track-For-Q4-2010/

My guess is they will have a refresh with slight bump within two weeks and then another refresh with Sandy Bridge early next year OR they are going to wait until late this year for a full refresh with Sandy Bridge. Thoughts?

GiantDolphin
Jul 2, 2010, 01:20 AM
Wonder what Apple has planned now that Sandy Bridge is only 3-4 months away...


If any of this is true, could it not be possible Apple has been planning for this all along and has negotiated to have these before anyone else? Maybe even for a late 2010 mac pro update? It seems to me they might be skipping the current Xeons for the 2010 update since, for starters, they were not the first out the door with them like they were with past updates. Maybe they knew something about this Sandy Bridge timeline some time ago? It seems Apple's style to find a way to be first with something when they roll out a big update on something like the mac pro. If they go with the current Xeons released earlier this year they will only be playing catch-up with the entire market at this point. I'm just guessing. Maybe its wishful thinking. I know nothing about how they make these things. I just use them.

Concorde Rules
Jul 2, 2010, 06:35 PM
Hey, you greatly summed up my feelings about this. :)

I'd want 6gb ram and the ability to upgrade to 32 gb over time, a 1 tb hd and a gfx card that doesn't suck for 2500-2800 €. I don't think that's too much to ask for.

Thats what I paid for my Mac Pro in sig.

You wouldn't use 32Gb in a quad machine TBH, processor would die a LONG time before that, besides 16Gb is possible using 4Gb sticks but probably cheaper buying a octo and shoving 2Gb sticks in!

If Sandy Bridge is 4 months away, thats when you will see a new Mac Pro (6 core chips may be a silent bump).

Also the 4870 certainly does not suck. It's a generation behind yes but then again this isn't a gaming rig and a small %age of buyers would actually use it for that task...

Either way looks like the 2009 Mac Pro was a nice buy for me in longevity terms and Sandy Bridge will be added to the Late 2010 Mac Pro.

simonisme
Jul 2, 2010, 07:17 PM
this.

I'm in the exact same boat.

yeah it sucks ey...

Like some other people said...
Just a few basic upgrades and i'm buying today as well...

-better gfx card.
-cheaper/better/more upgradeable RAM.
-More HD

that's fine for me...

MarkSF
Jul 2, 2010, 07:20 PM
My trusty old pre-Intel 17" PowerBook is getting me by, but having to freeze tracks all the time in Logic to get work done is getting tiresome.

I'm hoping a Tuesday in July will bring some Mac Pro grooviness.

RubbishBBspeed
Jul 3, 2010, 11:42 AM
+1 from me here too. (could even be 2 or 3)

Mr Jobs, you better be planning something special, if not.... YAWN you are starting to bore us.

exodius
Jul 3, 2010, 01:32 PM
Wonder what Apple has planned now that Sandy Bridge is only 3-4 months away...

http://hothardware.com/News/Intels-Sandy-Bridge-AVX-Extensions-On-Track-For-Q4-2010/

My guess is they will have a refresh with slight bump within two weeks and then another refresh with Sandy Bridge early next year OR they are going to wait until late this year for a full refresh with Sandy Bridge. Thoughts?

I met somebody who said they had a 12nm node facility. We asked him where he was hiding it. Perhaps on the moon?

Then again, nobody believes me when I tell them I have a microchip that runs at 50 GHz.

Back to the relevant things, if Sandy Bridge is due for Q4, it would make sense that Apple is waiting this long. It's a pain, but at least "just wait" makes sense. While Sandy Bridge isn't that much of a leap up from what's available now, it certainly is a big leap from last year's Mac Pro models. I'd like to take this as a sign that Apple is thinking about the long term instead of just trying to quickly make a sale.

ValSalva
Jul 3, 2010, 02:30 PM
I'd like to take this as a sign that Apple is thinking about the long term instead of just trying to quickly make a sale.

It must also mean that there will be no 2010 Mac Pro. Wouldn't the earliest a Sandy Bridge Mac Pro release be in January 2011?

rmwebs
Jul 3, 2010, 02:54 PM
It must also mean that there will be no 2010 Mac Pro. Wouldn't the earliest a Sandy Bridge Mac Pro release be in January 2011?

I think they may still update this year. I cant see them doing a Jan update - wouldn't it be more likely that they do an update now, then a major refresh next year once the iHype is over?

ValSalva
Jul 3, 2010, 03:41 PM
I think they may still update this year. I cant see them doing a Jan update - wouldn't it be more likely that they do an update now, then a major refresh next year once the iHype is over?

The update 'now' is what we've been waiting for since March - at the very least :rolleyes:

Your thinking makes sense to me but who knows what they have planned in Cupertino.

xgman
Jul 3, 2010, 04:13 PM
Wonder what Apple has planned now that Sandy Bridge is only 3-4 months away...

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Lets see, 3-4 months, that would place that Mac Pro version about 3 to 4 years away by my calculations. :rolleyes:

Does Apple ever release anything the Tues after a holiday?

xgman
Jul 3, 2010, 04:24 PM
This is the closest thing to a rumor I have seen lately. I'll take it as good news for what it is worth:

"New firmware discoveries in Apple's latest Mac mini suggest future Mac desktops will house Radeon HD 5000 and GeForce 400 series graphics cards.

The portion regarding ATI's future Mac desktop offerings is not very specific, but the NVIDIA side of things is. "GeForce 480" is specifically named and this can be seen in the screenshot below. (not copied here)

Where these chips will be used is not specified, but makes sense that we will see these powerful GPUs in upcoming iMacs and Mac Pros very soon."

story link:
http://9to5mac.com/node/19046?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+9To5Mac-MacAllDay+%289+to+5+Mac+-+Apple+Intelligence%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher


By the way, a GTX 480 would likely need a larger power supply that the current mac pros have. I would actually prefer the ATI 5xxxx in my next MP.

RubbishBBspeed
Jul 4, 2010, 11:30 AM
Can confirm +4 now.

Work

Me (car loan paid in next few months so shall be treating my self to phillips 21:9 tv and twin screen MP)

Sister Does sub work for independent studios mainly dealing for the BBC

Cousin short film editor

So all four are waiting for 'editing' spec Mac Pro's. It's more the lack of update on 30" ACD and will it won't it have/support Blu-Ry than the MP itself that's holding them up.

If a new screen was and a price drop on the MP was announced then I could be tempted to buy now rather than wait. Am getting seriously bored waiting.