Two scary words for the 2008 election:

[Thomas Veil]

Jeb Bush. :eek:

[jadam]

or Hillary Clinton :eek:

[makisushi]

Jeb Bush. :eek:
LOL :p

Not a bad idea....hmmmm..... :D

[jadam]

Btw, the most likely GOP candidate for 2008 would be John McCain.

[Thomas Veil]

I doubt that a lot. McCain is considered a pariah in his own party.

[macopia]

Oh please God, not Jeb.

Look at what he's done for Florida...

[edesignuk]

Arnie? :eek:

[jadam]

Arnie? :eek:


He was not born in the US.

[Thomas Veil]

Oh please God, not Jeb.

Look at what he's done for Florida...
Flashback to 2000:

"Oh please, God, not Dubya.

Look at what he's done for Texas..."

[edesignuk]

He was not born in the US.
I know, but he has 4 years to try and change the US laws stopping him from running doesn't he ;)

[Thomas Veil]

He was not born in the US.
Yeah, but he wants to see our constitution amended to allow him to run....

Just what we need. Another actor in the White House.

[yg17]

Yeah, but he wants to see our constitution amended to allow him to run....

Just what we need. Another actor in the White House.


The thing that Arnie's too dumb to realize is that changing the constitution to allow foreigners to run allows for a damn al quaeda terrorist to run for president

[mypantsaretight]

Btw, the most likely GOP candidate for 2008 would be John McCain.

Not a chance. The Religious Right (anti-gay, anti-abortion) wing of the Republican party won this election and the election in 2000. They will never support a Republican candidate who is not openly and unabashedly socially conservative.

John Cain, Rudy G, Ahnold, etc. have exactly no chance of getting the nomination. Look instead to Jeb Bush, Bill Frist, Tom DeLay or the Governor of Colorado.

[SiliconAddict]

Mark my words. Look for Rudolph Giuliani in 2008.

PS- Tom DeLay as president. At that point it wouldn't even be a question anymore. I would, not if but would get as far away from the US as humanly possible. That man is evil incarnate. He makes Bush look like a boy scout.

[yg17]

In 08 I will vote Democrat regardless, however, if Guliani or McCain gets elected president, I can at least live with that and wouldn't be upset. If another radical religous republican wins in 08, then if there's a place worse than hell, then the country's going there.

[wowser]

John Edwards, Hilary Clinton, Howard Dean or even Danny Glover would be all good in my book.

[mypantsaretight]

John Edwards, Hilary Clinton, Howard Dean or even Danny Glover would be all good in my book.

Guess who I'm voting for in 2008? No Republicans or Democrats for me!

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!!!!

[wowser]

Which candudate would that be, then?

[mypantsaretight]

Which candudate would that be, then?

If I vote (which is a big if---voting being a giant waste o' time and all), I will proudly vote for whomever most I believe represents the ideals of the people.

Had I voted in this election I think I would have written in in favor of Alyssa Milano. She represents my ideals and would have been an excellent choice.

[Thomas Veil]

John Edwards, Hilary Clinton, Howard Dean or even Danny Glover would be all good in my book.
The next Democratic candidate will be a Southern moderate. They don't have any choice. They've got to move closer to the so-called "center".

[mactastic]

The next Democratic candidate will be a Southern moderate. They don't have any choice. They've got to move closer to the so-called "center".

Zell Miller in '08? :cool:

[dotnina]

The thing that Arnie's too dumb to realize is that changing the constitution to allow foreigners to run allows for a damn al quaeda terrorist to run for president

You're kidding, right?

Um, you know that someone can be an Al-Qaeda terrorist regardless of where they're from?

[Backtothemac]

Jeb has said that he will not run for the office.

[Jovian9]

Rudolph Giuliani vs Hilary Clinton '08

The Democratic party has been destroyed by this election. I do not think that using a southern candidate will help....the Republican Party has the southern states almost locked down right now. But a female candidate with the respect of Hilary Clinton may be able to bring the Democratic party an overwhelming majority of women voters in all states, including the south. And I believe that women are a majority of all voters.?. The Democratic Party needs to shake things up and give their nomination to a woman. This country should have already had a choice for either a woman or a minority as a candidate in one of their parties. 2008 is the time to give America that choice.

[yg17]

You're kidding, right?

Um, you know that someone can be an Al-Qaeda terrorist regardless of where they're from?

true, but I think its fair to say that more than 90% of anti-America terrorists are not American themselves

[Lyle]

Mark my words. Look for Rudolph Giuliani in 2008.Speaking as a Republican, I agree. I would not be at all surprised if he's the party's nominee next time around. I'd be OK with McCain too, I just don't think it will be him.

I think it would be a mistake for the Democrats to put Hillary up in 2008, but of course, they haven't asked me. ;) In my opinion, they could do a lot worse than to put up Barack Obama, unless he just self-destructs or something during the next four years.

[bankshot]

The thing that Arnie's too dumb to realize is that changing the constitution to allow foreigners to run allows for a damn al quaeda terrorist to run for president

Aside from the point that dotnina already made, I would hope that such an amendment, if ever passed, would be fairly intelligent and strict. Look at the current rules - you have to be a natural born citizen and at least 35 years old. Now restate that rule in different words: you have to be a US citizen for at least 35 years. I would add to it that you should be a sole US citizen (no dual citizens for conflicting loyalties).

If the Constitution were changed to make this the rule (you have to be a sole US citizen for 35 years), I would support it. As far as I'm concerned, someone who moved here at age 10 or whatever and has been a citizen for that long is just as loyal to the country as a 35 year old who was born here. And I certainly wouldn't support it just for Arnie. We'll have to see how California ends up after his term is done before making any judgements on that... :p

(by the way, I voted for him in California, only because I'm tired of career politicians screwing things up over their pathetic power struggles and was willing to give an outsider - anyone - a chance)

[dotnina]

... If the Constitution were changed to make this the rule (you have to be a sole US citizen for 35 years), I would support it. As far as I'm concerned, someone who moved here at age 10 or whatever and has been a citizen for that long is just as loyal to the country as a 35 year old who was born here. ...

True that, bankshot. I don't think it's a big deal if you weren't born in the country. What matters is how long you've been here, what you've done for the US, etc.

And about Ah-nold -- I'm surprisingly happy with the decisions he's made. He's pro-business when it counts (supporting a measure to have indian casinos pay the same taxes as other businesses), and pro-people when it counts (banning the force-feeding of ducks for foie gras, supporting stem cell research). He, IMO, is the only good thing I've seen out of the Republican party lately ... but that's for another thread. ;)

[blackfox]

In my opinion, they could do a lot worse than to put up Barack Obama, unless he just self-destructs or something during the next four years.
I genuinely like this guy and feel he has excellent potential to be POTUS, but not in 2008. I think he is too young and too inexperienced to be a real consideration in a Presidential Campaign.

Of course, it is anyone's guess who the Democrats will be able to come up with in 2008. I think a lot of the potential for Democratic success in 2008 will have to do with the state of the country more than an individual Candidate from either Party. I always enjoy Elections w/o incumbants btw...

[Backtothemac]

Rudolph Giuliani vs Hilary Clinton '08

The Democratic party has been destroyed by this election. I do not think that using a southern candidate will help....the Republican Party has the southern states almost locked down right now. But a female candidate with the respect of Hilary Clinton may be able to bring the Democratic party an overwhelming majority of women voters in all states, including the south. And I believe that women are a majority of all voters.?. The Democratic Party needs to shake things up and give their nomination to a woman. This country should have already had a choice for either a woman or a minority as a candidate in one of their parties. 2008 is the time to give America that choice.

Um, not so fast my friend. You have to look at polls here in the south about how women here feel about Hillary. They hate her, massively hate her.

The democrats will need someone that can unite the party, and pull republicans. Someone like Arnold. But, alas, he is a republican.

There will be an ammendment that will let him run, and frankly, that is the closest thing to a democrat that you will get in the next election.

Arnold Vs. Hillary
Rudy Vs. Hillary
Or
Condi vs Hillary

Condi is the only real conservative in that group.

[Lyle]

I genuinely like this guy and feel he has excellent potential to be POTUS, but not in 2008. I think he is too young and too inexperienced to be a real consideration in a Presidential Campaign.Yeah, you may be right. I like him too, though; was very impressed with his speech at the DNC convention.

[yg17]

Um, not so fast my friend. You have to look at polls here in the south about how women here feel about Hillary. They hate her, massively hate her.

The democrats will need someone that can unite the party, and pull republicans. Someone like Arnold. But, alas, he is a republican.

There will be an ammendment that will let him run, and frankly, that is the closest thing to a democrat that you will get in the next election.

Arnold Vs. Hillary
Rudy Vs. Hillary
Or
Condi vs Hillary

Condi is the only real conservative in that group.

Fine, let Ahhnold run then. IMO, he'd probably carry California for electoral votes, and maybe a small handful of other states. He'd lose. The only reason he won for Cali governer because the people in hollywood probably thought it would be cool to have a movie star run the state, well I dont think the majority in the other 49 states would agree.

[pseudobrit]

I'm holding out hope that Barak Obama will run.

[bankshot]

Fine, let Ahhnold run then. IMO, he'd probably carry California for electoral votes, and maybe a small handful of other states. He'd lose.

I don't think Arnie has a real shot at US president unless he's wildly successful in turning California around, far beyond most people's best expectations. Even then, it would be a fierce uphill battle as most would still see him as the dumb actor who was the Terminator. But hey, if Reagan could do it, maybe he could too... :p

The only reason he won for Cali governer because the people in hollywood probably thought it would be cool to have a movie star run the state, well I dont think the majority in the other 49 states would agree.

This I strongly disagree with. The vast majority of Hollywood was against him because of one letter beside his name: (R). Too often in this country, that's all that matters when you get down to it. Too many people vote along party lines instead of voting about issues. Hey, it's easier that way, you don't have to think!

Even Arnie helps the public avoid thinking. He sent out a cheat sheet to registered Republicans in California showing them whether to vote Yes or No on each ballot initiative. And the sad thing is, most of them probably followed it. Bleh. :eek:

But my main point was that Hollywood is overwhelmingly Democrat, so many of them were quite vocal against him in the Total-Recall election.

[wowser]

I'm going through a process of denial ;)

http://web.archive.org/web/20000301020833/http://www2.whitehouse.gov/

[Roger1]

Hmm
I think Jesse Ventura should run for president. I'd vote for him. I'd also like to see Colin Powell run, or John McCain run. I have mixed feelings about Hillary (she strikes me as a greedy opportunist-but then again I don't know much about her political record). Maybe Howard Dean. Who knows :rolleyes:

[Spymit007]

Jeb Bush. :eek:

I remember reading an interview with Barbara Bush who said that the election of 2004 would be the last one involving one of her sons. Take that for what it's worth but if she's telling the truth, I guess that rules out a Jeb Bush run for President in 2008.

[ToddW]

i forsee guliani and arnold
vs barack and hillary

[scem0]

I'd be so angry with Arnold as a VP.....

That would just be..... wrong.

scem0

[solvs]

I would have to move to Canada if it's Hillary vs. Jeb or Rudy.

If it's Dean vs. McCain, I probably won't bother voting because I'd feel safe either way. Even better if they ran together, but I'm not holding my breath. I doubt either party wants to move more towards the center like they should. It's worked so well for Bush so far. Maybe the Dems will. I hope somebody will.

[Durandal7]

My money is on Rudy Giuliani in 2008.

pseudobrit: As I said after the DNC, I think Obama is a likely VP pick for 2008. I think he has the charisma necessary to pull it off but I think he will be a bit too inexperienced to run for President in 2008.

[jywv8]

Mark my words. Look for Rudolph Giuliani in 2008.

Egads. Isn't anyone else here completely sick of Rudolph Giuliani?

Everyone tries to make him out to be The Hero and Savior of New York City. The guy padded the city payroll with 25,000 appointees, precipitating the city's budget crisis. He was successfully sued twenty-seven times for violating freedom of speech and assembly. He refused throughout his tenure to meet with the city's black elected leaders and then boasted of the strategy. He made an unconstitutional grab for power after 9/11, trying to circumvent both term limits law and The City Charter.

The guy is a political opportunist and unabashed glory hound.

[Dave the Great]

I'm holding out hope that Barak Obama will run.

Why?

What makes this guy so good?

I heard about him recently, but I really don't know anything about him.

I got a chance to see his acceptance speech, but I thought he was terrible. I thought his wife did a better job introducing him.

I then got to see him interviewed a little while later and he still was not that impressive.

I don't know maybe he was just tired or excited by the win, but then again he was the total favorite (right?) and should not have been surprised.

[Dave the Great]

In 08 I will vote Democrat regardless, however, if Guliani or McCain gets elected president, I can at least live with that and wouldn't be upset. If another radical religous republican wins in 08, then if there's a place worse than hell, then the country's going there.

Why would you just automatically vote for Democrat regardless?

Not even knowing who is running?

That just seems very foolish and close-minded.

[Dave the Great]

This country should have already had a choice for either a woman or a minority as a candidate in one of their parties. 2008 is the time to give America that choice.

Ahhh, actually, we have had the chance many times.
Both parties have had a number of women and/or minorities bidding for the presidency in their primaries.

And I don't follow your line of thinking that just because you are a woman or a minority that you should automatically be a candidate.

[Jovian9]

Um, not so fast my friend. You have to look at polls here in the south about how women here feel about Hillary. They hate her, massively hate her.


With the way the Democratic Party is right now.....it probably will not matter who runs in '08.....they will lose. If they could not come up with a candidate and win this election, then there is something wrong with them.
The point of Hilary Clinton running was not necessarily for her to win, but for the United States to finally have a viable female candidate. Neither the Democrats or Republicans have given us a woman or minority to vote for. It's about time this happened. The Democratic Party seems to have lost touch with a lot of America......this would help them to get back there.

[Jovian9]

Ahhh, actually, we have had the chance many times.
Both parties have had a number of women and/or minorities bidding for the presidency in their primaries.

And I don't follow your line of thinking that just because you are a woman or a minority that you should automatically be a candidate.

I'm not talking about primaries and I'm not saying they should automatically be the candidate.
What I am saying is that the pool of candidates we vote from for President has become so pathetic (Bush vs Kerry and Bush vs Gore) that one or both of the parties needs to shake things up. Right now the Democratic Party is struggling......so perhaps they should be the ones to do it.

[coconn06]

If I vote (which is a big if---voting being a giant waste o' time and all), I will proudly vote for whomever most I believe represents the ideals of the people.

Had I voted in this election I think I would have written in in favor of Alyssa Milano. She represents my ideals and would have been an excellent choice.

I think you're looking for the Libertarian party (http://www.lp.org/). They are the only party which truly represents the people. Republicrats just want to build up the federal government, and take away our liberties. So don't not vote; vote Libertarian!