The next four years

[pseudobrit]

I'm making some predicitons.

We'll see a few things happen. Perhaps not all of these, but I'm sure we'll see at least one of the scarier ones.

1) Draft
2) Use of nuclear weapons
3) Social Security set up for bankruptcy and privatised
4) Harden the ban against Canadian drug imports
5) Denounce the UN
6) Supreme Court stacked with neocons
7) Abortion outlawed afterwards, Roe v. Wade reversed
8) Stem cell research outlawed
9) Ban on sexual education in schools
10) Affirmative action and civil rights dismantled as much as possible
11) Mid-decade redistricting to ensure future GOP control of Congress
12) States begin to fold under the budget shortfalls. Major services cut or eliminated.
13) Education slips and we fall further in international rank.
14) Invade or bomb at least one more country
15) Another recession
16) School-led Christian prayer mandated in some areas
17) FBI out of control
18) DEA ignores Alaska's initiative to fully legalise marijuana
19) More terrorism hits home

[jadam]

I'm making some predicitons.

We'll see a few things happen. Perhaps not all of these, but I'm sure we'll see at least one of the scarier ones.

X1) Draft
2) Use of nuclear weapons
X3) Social Security set up for bankruptcy and privatised
X4) Harden the ban against Canadian drug imports
5) Denounce the UN
X6) Supreme Court stacked with neocons
X7) Abortion outlawed afterwards, Roe v. Wade reversed
8) Stem cell research outlawed
X9) Ban on sexual education in schools
10) Affirmative action and civil rights dismantled as much as possible
X11) Mid-decade redistricting to ensure future GOP control of Congress
X12) States begin to fold under the budget shortfalls. Major services cut or eliminated.
X13) Education slips and we fall further in international rank.
14) Invade or bomb at least one more country
X15) Another recession
X16) School-led Christian prayer mandated in some areas
X17) FBI out of control
X18) DEA ignores Alaska's initiative to fully legalise marijuana
X19) More terrorism hits home
X means no way in hell.

The UN has no power anyways, it can't protect us in this hostile world, so its something that has some validity.

Affirmative Action sucks to begin with, you should get into college/work based on merit not race.

Invade or bomb at least one more country, quite possibly will happen.

A draft is NOT happening.

Nuclear weapons, their is a much smaller gap nowadays between 4th generation nuclear weaponry and traditional weaponry.

[stubeeef]

I'm making some predicitons.

We'll see a few things happen. Perhaps not all of these, but I'm sure we'll see at least one of the scarier ones.

1) Draft
2) Use of nuclear weapons
3) Social Security set up for bankruptcy and privatised
4) Harden the ban against Canadian drug imports
5) Denounce the UN
6) Supreme Court stacked with neocons
7) Abortion outlawed afterwards, Roe v. Wade reversed
8) Stem cell research outlawed
9) Ban on sexual education in schools
10) Affirmative action and civil rights dismantled as much as possible
11) Mid-decade redistricting to ensure future GOP control of Congress
12) States begin to fold under the budget shortfalls. Major services cut or eliminated.
13) Education slips and we fall further in international rank.
14) Invade or bomb at least one more country
15) Another recession
16) School-led Christian prayer mandated in some areas
17) FBI out of control
18) DEA ignores Alaska's initiative to fully legalise marijuana
19) More terrorism hits home

My prediction is that even fewer people will listen or care what you predict.

[jsw]

X means no way in hell.Knowing you believe that so many of those things "can't' happen goes a long way towards explaining your vote for Bush. I don't see all of them happening... but Roe v Wade is going down, the SC is going to be stacked with neo-conservatives, and education will continue to slip (see "No Child Left Behind"). I also see that you are not bothered by declining civil rights. White male, right?

[makisushi]

1) Draft Bush is against the reinstatement of the draft, so I don't think this will happen
2) Use of nuclear weapons i don't know enough about his war tactics to comment
3) Social Security set up for bankruptcy and privatised Privatisation is good. I want to have control on my own money
4) Harden the ban against Canadian drug imports I am not sure how it can get much more strict
5) Denounce the UN I don't about denouncing the UN, but you have to take care of the US interests first then worry about pleasing the rest of the world
6) Supreme Court stacked with neocons very likely to happen
7) Abortion outlawed afterwards, Roe v. Wade reversed also very likely to happen
8) Stem cell research outlawed possible, but I also think that the US is not the only country capable of this type of research
9) Ban on sexual education in schools I think schools are legislated on a state level, not sure if Bush can accomplish something like this.
10) Affirmative action and civil rights dismantled as much as possible this is a tough one, but I think AA takes away the value working hard
11) Mid-decade redistricting to ensure future GOP control of Congress Both parties are guilty of this
12) States begin to fold under the budget shortfalls. Major services cut or eliminated.
13) Education slips and we fall further in international rank. This can be attributed to many more things than who is president
14) Invade or bomb at least one more country Hard to believe this would happen without justification
15) Another recessionI don;t know enough about economics to comment
16) School-led Christian prayer mandated in some areas again state legislation, not federal
17) FBI out of controlthe FBI has been out of control long before Bush, Bush is taking steps to regain control
18) DEA ignores Alaska's initiative to fully legalise marijuanaMaybe, but I think drugs illicit drugs are bad too.
19) More terrorism hits home this is a hard one to predict, unless you know something we don't


I think the US has a bright future, and I am proud to be an American. I think it is wonderful that we are able to express our views.

[pseudobrit]

[snip list]

I think the US has a bright future, and I am proud to be an American. I think it is wonderful that we are able to express our views.

Just to clarify, I'm not saying that Bush specifically is going to do all of the things I've listed, just that some of them are going to happen.

[makisushi]

Just to clarify, I'm not saying that Bush specifically is going to do all of the things I've listed, just that some of them are going to happen.
ahhh, I seemed to have missed that point in my sleepiness.

[Thomas Veil]

Knowing you believe that so many of those things "can't' happen goes a long way towards explaining your vote for Bush.
Yup. I don't see a lot of realism in his views.


I think the US has a bright future, and I am proud to be an American.
How on earth do you come up with that one? Where's the bright future? The rest of the world that thought we were nuts now has confirmation of that opinion. I'm hardly proud of that. How can Bush's fans be right and everybody else in the U.S. and the world be wrong?

[makisushi]

How on earth do you come up with that one? Where's the bright future? The rest of the world that thought we were nuts now has confirmation of that opinion. I'm hardly proud of that. How can Bush's fans be right and everybody else in the U.S. and the world be wrong?
Maybe I am just an optimist.
I think that we need to take care of our own interests first, before we worry about what the rest of the world thinks. This isn't a popularity contest.
It is hard to say who is right and who is wrong, that is why this election was so close. You can't please everyone all of the time.
I am a Republican who voted for Bush, I am not very happy about how the war on Iraq is going, but I am more concerned with how domestic issues are going to be handled in the future.

[t300]

I'm making some predicitons.

We'll see a few things happen. Perhaps not all of these, but I'm sure we'll see at least one of the scarier ones.

1) Draft
2) Use of nuclear weapons
3) Social Security set up for bankruptcy and privatised
4) Harden the ban against Canadian drug imports
5) Denounce the UN
6) Supreme Court stacked with neocons
7) Abortion outlawed afterwards, Roe v. Wade reversed
8) Stem cell research outlawed
9) Ban on sexual education in schools
10) Affirmative action and civil rights dismantled as much as possible
11) Mid-decade redistricting to ensure future GOP control of Congress
12) States begin to fold under the budget shortfalls. Major services cut or eliminated.
13) Education slips and we fall further in international rank.
14) Invade or bomb at least one more country
15) Another recession
16) School-led Christian prayer mandated in some areas
17) FBI out of control
18) DEA ignores Alaska's initiative to fully legalise marijuana
19) More terrorism hits home

Yeah...If Kerry was elected!

[pseudobrit]

Yeah...If Kerry was elected!

Feel free to add something to this thread anytime you're done trolling.

[emw]

I think that we need to take care of our own interests first, before we worry about what the rest of the world thinks. This isn't a popularity contest.


Spot on, my friend. In fact, I think I'm going to apply that same philosophy here in my neighborhood by having my dog go crap in my neighbor's yard so I don't have to clean it up. And I'll just blow my leaves out onto the street so I don't have to bag them. And just for good measure, I'll send my son over to beat up on the kids across the street since I've got a feeling they were planning to TP my yard this weekend.

If they start complaining, well ***** 'em, I'll just go beat them up. It's not like I need to be friends with any of them anyway, weak-ass liberal pansies.

:rolleyes:

The problem with taking care of our own interests is that they often conflict with those of our world neighbors. Saying we can simply ignore what the world thinks is shortsighted.

[makisushi]

Spot on, my friend. In fact, I think I'm going to apply that same philosophy here in my neighborhood by having my dog go crap in my neighbor's yard so I don't have to clean it up. And I'll just blow my leaves out onto the street so I don't have to bag them. And just for good measure, I'll send my son over to beat up on the kids across the street since I've got a feeling they were planning to TP my yard this weekend.

If they start complaining, well ***** 'em, I'll just go beat them up. It's not like I need to be friends with any of them anyway, weak-ass liberal pansies.

:rolleyes:

The problem with taking care of our own interests is that they often conflict with those of our world neighbors. Saying we can simply ignore what the world thinks is shortsighted.

Yes, you are right, but you also don't have to let your neighbors tell you what to do.

[Zaid]

My set of predictions:

Politically
1) Four more years of Bush will further alienate Europe and the US.
2) As this gap widens, Britain will finally have to decide where she belongs, as one amongst equals in Europe or as the American lap dog.
3) The increasing political alienation of the US and Europe should force Europe closer together so as to have more global influence and act as a counter point to US policy where it is not in European interests.
4) China is probably going to become a lot more important politically. (This would have happened irrespective of who was in office)
5) The US is going to be stuck in Iraq for a long time, either fixing the place up or far more likely propping up a friendly regime and leaving the country in a mess.
6) Iran will probably be the next target. Though direct military intervention does not make logical sense as the US is heavily committed in Iraq.
7) Europe will not get involved in Iraq on the principle of 'you made the mess, so you can clean it up'
8) Increased arab animosity toward the US. Moderate Arabs are going to be unable to affect US policy toward the ME fuelling the rise in muslim fundamentalism, unless Europe becomes more vocal in the area and starts supporting Arab moderates.


Economically
1) The $ will continue to weaken, partly in response to the ballooning trade and fiscal deficits and partly because the propping up of the dollar by East Asian banks is going to become untenable.
2) A much weaker dollar will make the US a less important global market, and will boost US exporters.
3) This will probably cause a worldwide economic downturn unless the Japanese or European economies pick up.
4) Europe and Asia (the biggest owners of US debt) will probably stop picking up the US debt tab.

As for what happens inside the US, don't know and don't really care that much. You lot have given the right a mandate. (Giving Bush the popular vote in an election with the biggest turnout in 40 years, the presidency and a more republican congress and senate is giving them the mandate how ever you want to look at it) So clearly the US backs Bush and the right. You voted him in, you deserve what you get.

Oh one more prediction. An enormous increase in the number of American ex-pats around the world apologising for the actions of their fatherland.

[Zaid]

Yes, you are right, but you also don't have to let your neighbors tell you what to do.

Its not letting them tell you what to do, it's realising you can't tell them what to make for dinner at gun-point and still expect them to like you and that you can't just go bulldozing their homes so that you can use the bricks to build an extention

[rickvanr]

14) Invade or bomb at least one more country Hard to believe this would happen without justification

Yah, BAD JUSTIFICATION.

The entire world knows that Afganistan was just- it was over Osama Bin Laden, that is why a whole slew of countries said lets stop this from happening again. In Iraq, it was not just, and is why many countries did not accompany the US. Even if they did find WMD's, it still would not have been just. I'm now frightened at what the next 4 years could entail if Bush does infact get re-elected.

[t300]

Feel free to add something to this thread anytime you're done trolling.

I hardly feel I am trolling. You make a stupid thread about stupid things that you predict will happen. If you want it in a better format, here you go...

We'll see a few things happen. Perhaps not all of these, but I'm sure we'll see at least one of the scarier ones.

1) Draft...If Kerry is elected.
2) Use of nuclear weapons...If Kerry is elected.
3) Social Security set up for bankruptcy and privatised...If Kerry is elected.
4) Harden the ban against Canadian drug imports...If Kerry is elected.
5) Denounce the UN...If Kerry is elected.
6) Supreme Court stacked with neocons...If Kerry is elected.
7) Abortion outlawed afterwards, Roe v. Wade reversed...If Kerry is elected.
8) Stem cell research outlawed...If Kerry is elected.
9) Ban on sexual education in schools...If Kerry is elected.
10) Affirmative action and civil rights dismantled as much as possible...If Kerry is elected.
11) Mid-decade redistricting to ensure future GOP control of Congress...If Kerry is elected.
12) States begin to fold under the budget shortfalls. Major services cut or eliminated....If Kerry is elected.
13) Education slips and we fall further in international rank....If Kerry is elected.
14) Invade or bomb at least one more country...If Kerry is elected.
15) Another recession...If Kerry is elected.
16) School-led Christian prayer mandated in some areas...If Kerry is elected.
17) FBI out of control...If Kerry is elected.
18) DEA ignores Alaska's initiative to fully legalise marijuana...If Kerry is elected.
19) More terrorism hits home...If Kerry is elected.



I just thought my way of saying it would have been a little easier for you closed minded liberals...I guess I was wrong and shall spell everything out to you from now on.

But hey...I forgot...Bush pretty much won. So see you in 4 years, I guess,when it will be some new loon stepping up to the plate to run against Giuliani or someone....That is if you haven't moved to Canada by then.

[Abstract]

Maybe I am just an optimist.
I think that we need to take care of our own interests first, before we worry about what the rest of the world thinks. This isn't a popularity contest.

What an American thing to say.

And that's the world's view on America, and that's where your problems lie. While its good to look after your countries best interest, it's also necessary to be considerate. That's the way it is in real life, when dealing with real people everyday. Or maybe it isn't where you come from? All I know is that country/political boundaries are just lines on a map, and since we live on the same Earth, we're going to have to co-exist and not piss each other off.

If that's your attitude, I'd hate to meet you in person.

[emw]

Yes, you are right, but you also don't have to let your neighbors tell you what to do.

No, but I should at least take into consideration their opinions. As a nation, we haven't done much of that lately.

[Thomas Veil]

What an American thing to say.

And that's the world's view on America, and that's where your problems lie. While its good to look after your countries best interest, it's also necessary to be considerate. That's the way it is in real life, when dealing with real people everyday. Or maybe it isn't where you come from? All I know is that country/political boundaries are just lines on a map, and since we live on the same Earth, we're going to have to co-exist and not piss each other off.

If that's your attitude, I'd hate to meet you in person.
Take other people's views into consideration? I'm sorry, this is America. We don't do that.

[makisushi]

No, but I should at least take into consideration their opinions. As a nation, we haven't done much of that lately.
Yes, I absolutly agree. I do understand that certain considerations should be taken when participating as a whole in society, but I also understand that sometimes an unpopular thing must be done to better the greater good (and this is where most disagreements happen).

[emw]

Yes, I absolutly agree. I do understand that certain considerations should be taken when participating as a whole in society, but I also understand that sometimes an unpopular thing must be done to better the greater good (and this is where most disagreements happen).

Who's greater good? I think that most of the world believes that as Americans, we are only concerned about our greater good, not the greater good of all people.

Perhaps you have an example in mind of perpetuating the greater good, and how it has in the end worked out to the benefit of the rest of the world.

[groovebuster]

I just thought my way of saying it would have been a little easier for you closed minded liberals...I guess I was wrong and shall spell everything out to you from now on.

But hey...I forgot...Bush pretty much won. So see you in 4 years, I guess,when it will be some new loon stepping up to the plate to run against Giuliani or someone....That is if you haven't moved to Canada by then.

After this one I start to feel sorry for you...

[groovebuster]

Perhaps you have an example in mind of perpetuating the greater good, and how it has in the end worked out to the benefit of the rest of the world.

I am also very curious! :)

[kylos]

I try to avoid this section of the forums, 'cause it's dominated by people who suffer the very problem they accuse america in general of having, arrogance of their rightness. In claiming that so many americans are ignoring their fellow americans and the rest of the world, and denigrating them for their beliefs, these hypocrites seem to be the real problem with america. It's unfortunate that some portions of the rest of the world are anti-american (and some portions of america), but the reality is that there are still many around the world who don't despise america. I'd like to agree to disagree on policy issues and such, but the rabid hate expressed by these hypocrites is where america is really most at danger.

[emw]

...but the reality is that there are still many around the world who don't despise america.

Yes, those are the ones you hear laughing at us. I hope that one day I am not judged by the number of people who don't despise me.

But not to belittle your point - this forum is representative of the divisiveness of this election and these candidates. It's not enough that we may disagree with views and think our guy is the better choice - many of us actually despise the other guy. Which is too bad.

[3rdpath]

I'm making some predicitons.

We'll see a few things happen. Perhaps not all of these, but I'm sure we'll see at least one of the scarier ones.

1) Draft
2) Use of nuclear weapons
3) Social Security set up for bankruptcy and privatised
4) Harden the ban against Canadian drug imports
5) Denounce the UN
6) Supreme Court stacked with neocons
7) Abortion outlawed afterwards, Roe v. Wade reversed
8) Stem cell research outlawed
9) Ban on sexual education in schools
10) Affirmative action and civil rights dismantled as much as possible
11) Mid-decade redistricting to ensure future GOP control of Congress
12) States begin to fold under the budget shortfalls. Major services cut or eliminated.
13) Education slips and we fall further in international rank.
14) Invade or bomb at least one more country
15) Another recession
16) School-led Christian prayer mandated in some areas
17) FBI out of control
18) DEA ignores Alaska's initiative to fully legalise marijuana
19) More terrorism hits home



and yet, amazingly, when things go south, it will still be clinton's fault.
:rolleyes:

[dotnina]

I hardly feel I am trolling. You make a stupid thread about stupid things that you predict will happen. If you want it in a better format, here you go...



I just thought my way of saying it would have been a little easier for you closed minded liberals...I guess I was wrong and shall spell everything out to you from now on.

But hey...I forgot...Bush pretty much won. So see you in 4 years, I guess,when it will be some new loon stepping up to the plate to run against Giuliani or someone....That is if you haven't moved to Canada by then.

Sorry, but I need to agree that you are trolling. If you don't like this "stupid thread," don't post. If you want to say "yeah if Kerry was elected" without ANY EXPLANATION WHATSOEVER, don't be surprised when people call you a troll.

The original poster made a list for respondents of this thread to consider and analyze. Blanket support or blanket condemnation of a candidate, as you have done, demonstrates one's own close-mindedness about the issues.

[IJ Reilly]

My set of predictions:

A set of well-made points. I often think people outside the US see these issues more clearly than Americans. Unless Bush decides to implement a sharp change of course in a second term, and there's no indication he will, then the problems the US faces at home and abroad will only be magnified by orders of magnitude.

[Thomas Veil]

I also have to agree with Zaid's predictions.

That last one looks to be huge. If the world stops financing America's debt, that's where everything Bush is working towards starts to unravel.

I don't, however, know whether that'll push the U.S. back to sanity, or be the beginning of the end of this country, as it finishes falling apart economically. Probably the latter.

And yes, I agree with dotnina about t300. Mindlessly repeating "Yeah, if Kerry was elected" IS trolling.

[kylos]

Not to start any flame wars, but t300 is by far not the only one here making worthless posts.


emw, yeah, the hate needs to be stopped. On both sides. It's extremely hypocritical. I want this nation to last. Let's not destroy ourselves.

[emw]

Not to start any flame wars, but t300 is by far not the only one here making worthless posts.

*sigh* I think many of these posts, if not worthless, are certainly not productive. Democrats like to say that the Bush administration runs on a platform of fear, yet we are so quick to tell everyone how bad things are going to be now that he's still in office and the Republicans are more in power.

We have two choices - sit here and bitch about it, or work to make sure our "predictions" don't come true. Sure, we may not all be able to have a significant influence on public policy, but crying about the outcome on this forum doesn't help anybody.

[Jovian9]

Spot on, my friend. In fact, I think I'm going to apply that same philosophy here in my neighborhood by having my dog go crap in my neighbor's yard so I don't have to clean it up. And I'll just blow my leaves out onto the street so I don't have to bag them. And just for good measure, I'll send my son over to beat up on the kids across the street since I've got a feeling they were planning to TP my yard this weekend.

If they start complaining, well ***** 'em, I'll just go beat them up. It's not like I need to be friends with any of them anyway, weak-ass liberal pansies.

:rolleyes:

The problem with taking care of our own interests is that they often conflict with those of our world neighbors. Saying we can simply ignore what the world thinks is shortsighted.

Awesome! :)

What some people fail to realize is that the United States is the leader of the free world. The world is more tied together than it has ever been. The U.S. economy relies quite a bit on the world. To not respect and care about the rest of the world (with the idea of taking care of home first) will ultimately lead to major problems at home.

[vwcruisn]

closed minded liberals


lib·er·al ** *P***Pronunciation Key**(lbr-l, lbrl)
adj.

Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.

Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.

[chanoc]

Sad, Bush won. :(

Sad in Alaska too, the Republicans won and the Democrats failed - although there are still several thousand absente ballots to count. The majority of Alaskans rejected Ballot 2 to legalize marijuana. But those same Alaskans think nothing of getting piss drunk, hypocrites - guess it's that anti-intellectualism "common sense". :rolleyes: :mad:

I moving from this state for good reasons:

1. Employers who want to hire somebody with "common sense". :rolleyes:

2. High cost of living and low wages.

3. Overwelmingly fiscal conservatives and racists living in mansions in the Hillside, while the poor working class live in the ghetto of Mountain View. :mad:

4. And it's freaking cold! :)

[solvs]

14) Invade or bomb at least one more country Hard to believe this would happen without justification
Ummm... Iraq?

15) Another recessionI don;t know enough about economics to comment
It's simple, the numbers look better, but we are still in a bad economy. It could very easily turn into a recession. Rich getting richer, poor getting poorer. Same old story. But I'm sure it's all Clinton's fault.

19) More terrorism hits home this is a hard one to predict, unless you know something we don't
The obvious. Of course we are going to be attacked again. Perhaps if Bush were more concerned with the guy who actually attacked us in the first place, Bin Laden wouldn't be out there gathering more allies while we lose the few we have left. Definitely could lead toward a recession.

I think the US has a bright future, and I am proud to be an American. I think it is wonderful that we are able to express our views.
That makes one of us. I'm glad you are free to give your opinion. Apparently I am a traitor and unAmerican and no better than a terrorist. I'm not real happy about that.

It's funny how patriotic I was when I was criticizing Clinton's stupid mistakes.