Mac OS X 10.3.6 Update Now Available

[MacRumors]

Now available via Software Update:
The 10.3.6 Update delivers enhanced functionality and improved reliability for Mac OS X v10.3 "Panther" and is recommended for all users.

Key enhancements include:
improved file sharing for Mac (AFP), UNIX (NFS) and PC (SMB/CIFS) networks
more reliable network automounts and launch of network applications
improved OpenGL technology and updated ATI and NVIDIA graphic drivers
additional FireWire audio and USB device compatibility
updated Calculator, DVD Player, Image Capture, and Safari applications
improved compatibility for third party applications
previous standalone security updates


For detailed information on this Update, please visit this website: http://www.info.apple.com/kbnum/n300080
For detailed information on Security Updates, please visit this website: http://www.info.apple.com/kbnum/n61798

[Steamboatwillie]

Just installed it, no problems so far...

[JOD8FY]

No problems here. Can't wait to see what the drivers do to the 6800 DDL's...

JOD8FY

[sord]

Updated calculator?

[Doctor Q]

This is a very odd time for an update: late on a Friday. This is the time companies usually use for press releases they don't want to make, to let the bad reactions die down over the weekend. I doubt Apple is doing such a thing here; they probably issued it when it was ready, and this time it just happened to be at the end of a day at the end of a week!

[Steamboatwillie]

Oddly enough this seems to have fixed the spinning "beach ball" I have been plagued with every time I would try to access my second hard drive. (yes, I had already tried prebinding & permission repair, etc)

Install was on a Dual 1.25 G4 MDD

My 15" 1.25 G4 PowerBook is rebooting now

[gopher]

Any Firewire bug news? http://www.macmaps.com/firewirebug2.html wasn't fixed as of 10.3.5.

[Abstract]

Yeah, software updates are cool, but Calculator?

[coumerelli]

Is this somehow a premature release? No article having to do with 10.3.6 exists on apple's servers. And the "latest" update listed by them is 10.3.5 - the 88 MB one. It's released with no support. Maybe in a coupla hours they'll have something, but just seems odd to me.

eh, another day; another download....

[gopher]

Updated calculator?

Actually there were some calculator problems with 10.3.5:

http://discussions.info.apple.com/.689c5c22/23

Maybe those were fixed.

[IndyGopher]

I also have DVDSP 3.0.2 in software update.. is this new, or did I miss it somehow before?

[mangoman]

There was a glitch in calculator. Something was being discussed a couple of months ago. It was minor or insignificant for most users, but a glitch nonetheless. Perhaps this fixes it.

[paulypants]

installed np, feels good so far...

[shadowfax]

is it common for the KB article they link to on these things to be broken when they first upload the update?

[daveL]

I downloaded the 10.3.6 seed from ADC the other day. Can someone verify that this build number is 7R28? Thanks.

[MattG]

I downloaded the 10.3.6 seed from ADC the other day. Can someone verify that this build number is 7R28? Thanks.
Same build number.

[sord]

I downloaded the 10.3.6 seed from ADC the other day. Can someone verify that this build number is 7R28? Thanks.
System Profile shows that you do have the final, 7R28

[rendezvouscp]

Hm, 7R27 isn't picking up on this update. Is 7R28 still available on the ADC site? Well, I'll go check...
-Chase

[Steamboatwillie]

AFP Networking between my PowerBook & DeskTop Dual G4 is snappier, connecting is quicker too. (At least that is my perception)

[rendezvouscp]

I also have DVDSP 3.0.2 in software update.. is this new, or did I miss it somehow before?

It's new. Picked up that update today too.
-Chase

[bmelon]

wow, safari seems a whole lot zippier after the update... and it's not just the system optimization, since I just ran that yesterday. :)

[snahabed]

After updating, the scrollpad on my kensington studio mouse is busted. The third button works fine.

I forgot how much i became reliant on that scrollpad... dragging alllll the way over to that scroll bar is so TEDIOUS :)

[Brother Michael]

Well I guess I will have to wait until I send my iBook into Apple to update. No sense in updating when my computer is just going to be formatted.

Mike

[reckless_0001]

I've got 3 things to say...

1. Wooo! Hooo! Finally!
2. LOL "Snappy"
3. Waiting for Yamaha to release new mLAN drivers now. Were supposed to be released alongside 10.3.6.

:D

[klaus]

Installed the update, no problems what so ever. Didn't had any before though, although I had 2 'minor' ones.

1 - Dvdplayer scrambled my subs now and then, fixed now
2 - Default color profile for 23" was pinkish on finder and safari windows, has been fixed now! (just reselect the default profile)

Good job apple!

[kwajo.com]

installing now :)

i always get hopeful when i see graphics drivers, cause i keep hoping they'll up my speeds in Motion given that so much is dependent on the GPU

well, time to restart and find out! :cool:

[maya]

was not expecting this so soon. It's always great to have an update to speed things up and fix bugs.


Seems that "Tiger" will be out of the bag by Spring at this rate. :)

March 2005 is my bet. :)

[blufire]

I just installed the OS X 10.3.6 update on a Dual 1 GHz MDD Power Mac G4. Before the install, I had my system volume at 50%, with iTunes at 100%. After restarting, I noticed that suddenly my Adium sounds were louder than usual. Then I noticed that iTunes seemed to be playing considerably louder than before, even though the volume settings were the same. I tried playing around with the volume (both iTunes and system) but it still seems to be louder than before. (I didn't touch the speakers either.) Has anyone else experienced this?

(Besides that, everything seems to be the same or slightly improved... Calculator's floating-point operation errors are fixed, and Safari seems *slightly* faster, but I've experienced one beachball since the update)

[~Shard~]

wow, safari seems a whole lot zippier after the update... and it's not just the system optimization, since I just ran that yesterday. :)


Pssst.... It's all in your head.... ;)

[~Shard~]

Great to see another update from Apple! I'll be grabbing it first thing when I get home from work...

[zakee00]

yay, i think this fixes the safari problems so many people were having, including myself

[rendezvouscp]

About the volume, what kind of system do you have? I know that earlier builds of 10.3.6 (I think 7R9) had audio issues with my PM G5 (the system audio control couldn't control the back audio port), but they fixed it in later builds. Interesting though.
-Chase

[blufire]

About the volume, what kind of system do you have? I know that earlier builds of 10.3.6 (I think 7R9) had audio issues with my PM G5 (the system audio control couldn't control the back audio port), but they fixed it in later builds. Interesting though.
-Chase

You gave me an idea by that comment... I unplugged my speakers from the rear audio port and plugged them back in, and the volume suddenly set itself to 10/16 (blocks), up from 8/16 which was the previous setting. The volume is back to normal now! Odd..

[jumanji]

going to try reinstalling..

[rendezvouscp]

You gave me an idea by that comment... I unplugged my speakers from the rear audio port and plugged them back in, and the volume suddenly set itself to 10/16 (blocks), up from 8/16 which was the previous setting. The volume is back to normal now! Odd..

Very odd. Anyone else having this issue and resolving it the same way?
-Chase

[heaven]

Just updated, no problems here so far!

Thx Apple!

http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/corky/corkysm60.gif

[StephenBeckwith]

The first time I opened Software Update, it showed the 10.3.6 release, but at only 14 Mbytes. Strange I thought, the rumors put this at around 34M. I proceeded and after it was done, I got this error message indicating a failure because the package didn't have sufficient contents. A second try yielded the same result.
So, closing and restarting Software Update, now produces a 10.3.6 update at 34.6M. Why would the first time be incorrect??? Strange..
It's loading now. . . .

[Loge]

As well as displaying trivial floating point errors, Calculator could go badly wrong if converting between very small and very large units, (for example square inches to acres).

12000000 square inches now converts to 1.9130671416 acres. This is a lot closer than the old calculator which gave 1.44. According to Mathematica the answer is 1.9130700948882767065

[aswitcher]

The first time I opened Software Update, it showed the 10.3.6 release, but at only 14 Mbytes. Strange I thought, the rumors put this at around 34M. I proceeded and after it was done, I got this error message indicating a failure because the package didn't have sufficient contents. A second try yielded the same result.
So, closing and restarting Software Update, now produces a 10.3.6 update at 34.6M. Why would the first time be incorrect??? Strange..
It's loading now. . . .

No thats right. It expands.

All ok with my update.

[Chaszmyr]

What's the version/build number for Safari in 10.3.6?

[heaven]

What's the version/build number for Safari in 10.3.6?

http://img128.exs.cx/img128/2703/Bild19.jpg

[fluidinclusion]

The first time I opened Software Update, it showed the 10.3.6 release, but at only 14 Mbytes. Strange I thought, the rumors put this at around 34M. I proceeded and after it was done, I got this error message indicating a failure because the package didn't have sufficient contents. A second try yielded the same result.
So, closing and restarting Software Update, now produces a 10.3.6 update at 34.6M. Why would the first time be incorrect??? Strange..
It's loading now. . . .

Mine also showed 14 MB, but I haven't installed 10.3.6 yet. Relaunching Software Update, and it's still 14 MB. I think I'll wait a while before installing.

[heaven]

Mine also showed 14 MB, but I haven't installed 10.3.6 yet. Relaunching Software Update, and it's still 14 MB. I think I'll wait a while before installing.

I had also 14 MB, everything works perfect

http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/otn/realhappy/xxrotflmao.gif

[mattster16]

I'm happy to see Apple addressed the issue of a portable's display not lighting up when coming back from display sleep. (This only happens if you have a screensaver password set.) It was really getting annoying and I would have to type my password blindly and hit enter before the backlight would activate.

THANKS APPLE! :D

[Porchland]

It's new. Picked up that update today too.
-Chase

Any idea whether this update adds a feature? Fixes something?

[mattster16]

Any idea whether this update adds a feature? Fixes something?

It fixes a lot of little things, go look on Apple's OSX support site. It lists everything this update contains.

[daveL]

Any idea whether this update adds a feature? Fixes something?
You might try reading the start of this thread ...

[cc bcc]

Just read the linked articles, the update size depends on your computer/configuration.

[daveL]

Any idea whether this update adds a feature? Fixes something?
Sorry, I just realized you were referring to the DVDSP update.

[rdowns]

This is a very odd time for an update: late on a Friday. This is the time companies usually use for press releases they don't want to make, to let the bad reactions die down over the weekend. I doubt Apple is doing such a thing here; they probably issued it when it was ready, and this time it just happened to be at the end of a day at the end of a week!

I agree. We have a rule at work, no new programming goes into effect on a Friday lest it break something or cause major problems.

I'm sure plenty of testing was done here though.

[Telomar]

Mine also showed 14 MB, but I haven't installed 10.3.6 yet. Relaunching Software Update, and it's still 14 MB. I think I'll wait a while before installing.This is normal. Software update checks your computer and if it can it installs a smaller package that upgrades rather than replaces some items. It's in the knowledgebase article if you're interested, it's called a delta upgrade.

[betelgeuse1]

The 10.3.6 update appears to fix the issue I had with my iMac G5 speakers sounding distorted if two sounds happened at once (for instance, having iTunes playing and getting a new mail sound notification.) Now I'm completely happy with my iMac (also after I replaced the bad inverter causing the top of my screen to be dimmer than the bottom...) Thanks Apple :)

[robotrenegade]

I also have DVDSP 3.0.2 in software update.. is this new, or did I miss it somehow before?

No, thats a new update for sure. I just got it as well.

[Chrisse]

My Apple Wireless Mouse didn't like the update. It's like the bluetooth connection got bad. The mouse is not at all very responsive anymore.

[neb_greely]

I agree. We have a rule at work, no new programming goes into effect on a Friday lest it break something or cause major problems.

I'm sure plenty of testing was done here though.

That's a good policy, but apple might be taking advantage of its two user-bases here.

My guess is, if they release it late on Friday, they have all their home users test it over the weekend to make sure it won't destroy the machine, so that by the time Monday rolls around and their corporate customers go to install it, they had time to 1) Issue an alert 2) pull or fix the update.

Not that apple thinks its corp customers are necessarily more important, but they are more likely to sue and more likely to have critical data.

Anyone remember the release day of the bad update (was it 10.2.7?)

[The Red Wolf]

Seems I forgot my towel when I needed it most. Nothing a pan-galatic-gargle-blaster won't fix. Anyway, Kernel during the optimization of the install. Checked logs, it wasn't the update, just a random kernel panic. Strangely enough 10.3.6 was the current system. Wiped the drive, reinstalled a 10.3.5 build and updated without any trouble. Thought I would point it out and at least give everyone a chance to ponder what the question to 42 is. Obviously: "At what percent of optimization during a system update in OS-X does a Kernel Panic occur?" Heh, kismet that.

[AidenShaw]

As well as displaying trivial floating point errors, Calculator could go badly wrong if converting between very small and very large units, (for example square inches to acres).

12000000 square inches now converts to 1.9130671416 acres. This is a lot closer than the old calculator which gave 1.44. According to Mathematica the answer is 1.9130700948882767065

Mathematica's answer is really 12000000.00000000000026016 square inches.

1.9130700948882767064585246403428 is closer - it actually converts back to 12,000,000 sq in....

[DavidCar]

Any idea if this includes the ATI Radeon Rom update that was recently released for non OEM cards?

http://xlr8yourmac.com/Graphics/ATI_radeon_rom_updates.html

(see bottom of page)

[niji]

safari is faster.
too bad it breaks iSync and iCal.

[rendezvouscp]

safari is faster.
too bad it breaks iSync and iCal.

What problems are you having?
-Chase

[Xtremehkr]

No problems here at all, Safari is working more quickly and more smoothly.

I wonder how many more of these we will get before 10.4 is released?

[Blackheart]

I benchmarked my computer @ 1920x1200 with maximum settings before and after the update. The framerate was actually LESS after the update.

EDIT: To clarify, these were done with UT2004.

Computer Specs:
Dual 2GHz G5
1.5GB RAM
74GB Raptor Drive
ATI Radeon 9600 Pro

Before:
===== Fri Nov 05 2004 ===== 15:21:42 US/Pacific =====
6.593848 / 19.209873 / 58.130482 fps -- Score = 19.222275 rand[489927031] (DM-Antalus)

7.153660 / 38.592175 / 111.431084 fps -- Score = 38.631462 rand[1487499784] (BR-Anubis)

16.841499 / 39.108120 / 89.785637 fps -- Score = 39.109154 rand[1472677548] (DM-Asbestos)

4.108882 / 20.468718 / 63.690983 fps -- Score = 20.478786 rand[1228431127] (CTF-Citadel)

After:
===== Fri Nov 05 2004 ===== 15:42:22 US/Pacific =====
5.446321 / 16.305288 / 54.636379 fps -- Score = 16.315359 rand[489927031] (DM-Antalus)

6.467030 / 35.212303 / 120.509521 fps -- Score = 35.247929 rand[1487499784] (BR-Anubis)

15.266873 / 36.514584 / 89.232185 fps -- Score = 36.517857 rand[1472677548] (DM-Asbestos)

4.088575 / 16.515083 / 62.705101 fps -- Score = 16.523251 rand[1228431127] (CTF-Citadel)

[Duff-Man]

Any idea if this includes the ATI Radeon Rom update that was recently released for non OEM cards?

http://xlr8yourmac.com/Graphics/ATI_radeon_rom_updates.html

(see bottom of page)Duff-Man says....An Apple OS update will not contain any ROM upgrade for hardware - that would be a separate thing if it existed....oh yeah!

[Baron58]

The first time I opened Software Update, it showed the 10.3.6 release, but at only 14 Mbytes. Strange I thought, the rumors put this at around 34M. I proceeded and after it was done, I got this error message indicating a failure because the package didn't have sufficient contents. A second try yielded the same result.
So, closing and restarting Software Update, now produces a 10.3.6 update at 34.6M. Why would the first time be incorrect??? Strange..
It's loading now. . . .


http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25799

[Jawbreaker]

My external Firewire 400 hard drive doesn't mount anymore. Any suggestions?

[edalzell]

My external Firewire 400 hard drive doesn't mount anymore. Any suggestions?

Reboot.
Repair Permissions

If that don't work, use the Disk Utility to verify your disk.
Try Single User mode.

If none of those work, try DiskWarrior.

[iMeowbot]

I've frequently noticed a some hesitation at times when working with HFS+ directories on FW drives, and after this update it seems to have magically disappeared. There's nothing in the release notes about this, but has anyone else noticed the same?

[micvog]

The 10.3.6 update appears to fix the issue I had with my iMac G5 speakers sounding distorted if two sounds happened at once (for instance, having iTunes playing and getting a new mail sound notification.) Now I'm completely happy with my iMac (also after I replaced the bad inverter causing the top of my screen to be dimmer than the bottom...) Thanks Apple :)

That is great news. :D I was having the same problem with my iMac.

[271]

i'm still running 10.3.3 :)

i dont update unless some other app/hardware i use mandates it. too many issues w/AU plug-ins etc etc. once everything works as intended why risk it? if it ain't broke.. yada yada yada

[mickhyperion]

Both of my systems have been running like total dogs since 10.3.5. It's the first time I've had to beat on my desk in a screaming fit since buying them 2 years ago. Here's to hoping 10.3.6 fixes that.

[FoxyKaye]

I was at work and ran the update. I get home and boot up my laptop and now my garage door opener doesn't work. Anyone?:)

Try resetting its PRAM - take out the battery and let it sit for 30 minutes, replace it with a brand-new, fresh battery and try again. If this doesn't do the trick, try a "hard reboot" -- slam it against a hard surface a few times and try activating it again. :D

Seriously though - anyone seen if 10.3.6 includes native support for the Pioneer DVR-108? It's not that big of a deal since I use Toast, but I wanted to wait until this update came out before installing PatchBurn.

[cemorris]

Hooray! My Sandisk imagemate 6 in 1 card reader now successfully ejects!

[Skiniftz]

Has anyone tried 10.3.6 with network logons with a list of users yet? Have they fixed the 10.3.5 bugs?

To clarify - with 10.3.4, when logging into OpenDirectory using a list of names, one can simply type the first few characters of one's name and the list will jump to the name.

In 10.3.5 this no longer works, plus when one logs out and scrolls the user list the machine freezes.

As a result many educational admins are still running 10.3.4 - if this is fixed in 10.3.6 I will be happy. (Although I will have to re-image about 42 machines...)

[darkelipse04]

Oops sorry for the empty post...
Anyway 10.3.6 seems to have killed the Safari 1.3 beta that was released some time ago...And I like a fool deleted the orginal copy of Safari...So I went and download 1.2 from Apples website, but once I installed it an update wont download through software update. I believe 1.2.3 or 1.2.4 is the newest version of safari? Can someone do this out of the kindness of their heart and email the newest version of the safari application to me? Or possibly tell me how to make mine get update? Thank you so much to anyone who can do this.

Please email it to aeroguy242@yahoo.com
or darkelipse04@netzero.com

Thank again!

[wowser]

In Safari, often the drop down menu would just freeze when you clicked the 'Bookmarks' menu. I THINK (touch laminated wood) that 10.3.6 has fixed this.

[cal6n]

Seriously though - anyone seen if 10.3.6 includes native support for the Pioneer DVR-108? It's not that big of a deal since I use Toast, but I wanted to wait until this update came out before installing PatchBurn.

I've been using patchburn, which survived the update intact. After the update I tried removing the patchburn profiles and got the "Not supported" entry in ASP.

So, no, you need patchburn.

[Baron58]

Has anyone tried 10.3.6 with network logons with a list of users yet? Have they fixed the 10.3.5 bugs?

To clarify - with 10.3.4, when logging into OpenDirectory using a list of names, one can simply type the first few characters of one's name and the list will jump to the name.

In 10.3.5 this no longer works, plus when one logs out and scrolls the user list the machine freezes.

As a result many educational admins are still running 10.3.4 - if this is fixed in 10.3.6 I will be happy. (Although I will have to re-image about 42 machines...)


If you read the knowledgebase article for the update, you'll see that as one of the fixes in this version.

However, I've never understood the fascination with the 'list of users', particularly for network users. What's wrong with using the two-field username/password interface rather than the list-of-users?

[WM.]

Oops sorry for the empty post...
Anyway 10.3.6 seems to have killed the Safari 1.3 beta that was released some time ago...And I like a fool deleted the orginal copy of Safari...So I went and download 1.2 from Apples website, but once I installed it an update wont download through software update. I believe 1.2.3 or 1.2.4 is the newest version of safari? Can someone do this out of the kindness of their heart and email the newest version of the safari application to me? Or possibly tell me how to make mine get update? Thank you so much to anyone who can do this.
I don't think it would work to get Safari.app from someone else. I'm not sure, but I imagine that the versions of Safari.app and the WebKit framework have to match. I don't think you can just plop in a newer version of Safari without updating WebKit.

You might need to do an archive install...

FWIW
WM

[gopher]

http://www.apple.com/support/downloads//macosxcombinedupdate_10_3_6.html says:

Important Note:

Apple has identified an issue with external FireWire hard drives using the Oxford 922 bridge chip-set with firmware version 1.02 that can result in the loss of data stored on the disk drive. Even with the improvements available in this update, Apple recommends you update the firmware on your FireWire drive. Please contact your drive manufacturer for more information.

so it is still present the old Firewire bug of http://www.macmaps.com/firewirebug2.html

[wowser]

In Safari, often the drop down menu would just freeze when you clicked the 'Bookmarks' menu. I THINK (touch laminated wood) that 10.3.6 has fixed this.

Scratch that, it still does it. :rolleyes:

[darkelipse04]

I'd assume the update with 10.3.6 updated the webkit aswell...I would still like to try to see if it works.

[iGary]

Installed on all three machines below, so far, so good.

i usually don't jump on updates, but what the hell.

[Duff-Man]

Duff-Man says....I've installed the update and all seems to be functioning well with my G5. I did not bring the Powerbook home with me today so I will update that on monday as well.....oh yeah!

[n0lram]

I think everyones forgetting the most important thing about this update, and that is:

BY HOW MUCH DOES THIS IMPROVE WOW FPS BY D:<

[ionas]

Installed, almost everything right.

Broke my Software RAID 1 Harddrive Array...
(G5 2.0 Dual, 512MB, 2x250GB Maxtor)

I cannot fix it right now, possibly just my 2nd HD broke right when I updated ;-)

SYS runs fine on one HD now... I ll carry the drive to my local reseller and test it there.

Please send me a message if you get a similar problem. I ll post again if it was just a hardware failure.

[ionas]

none, cause i got no WoW :-(
but open beta is nearing!

[areyouwishing]

Is there any hope for Mac networking or AFP?

I work at a printing firm and when browsing our server (running PC Mac Lan) within an open/save dialog it will beach ball for 30-60 seconds when you press the letter of the folder you want because there are just too many folders (539).

I don't know if this is related to PC MacLan but its horribly slow, and when you browse using SMB its instantaneous.... whoever's fault it is, they have yet to fix this.

P.S. My garage door opener still seems to be intact and functioning... maybe even a little snappier.

*grammar fix

[reelmagik]

The update did not fix the ATI 9800XT "ripple" glitch. I was really hoping it would since there were ATI drivers in the update...but no such luck.

[Cybernanga]

Safari seems to have speeded up, and I've noticed that "Alt-Tabing" between apps is faster.

Just MHO.

[darkelipse04]

It would be nice if I could experience that new 1.2.4 speed up :)

[daveL]

Is there any hope for Mac networking or AFP?

I work at a printing firm and when browsing our server (running PC Mac Lan) within an open/save dialog it will beach ball for 30-60 seconds when you press the letter of the folder you want because there are just too many folders (539).

I don't know if this is related to PC MacLan but its horribly slow, and when you browse using SMB its instantaneous.... who evers fault it is, they have yet to fix this.

P.S. My garage door opener still seems to be intact and functioning... maybe even a little snappier.
Hmm... wouldn't consider that PC MacLan might me the problem?

[Stella]

DVD player does not work correctly.

When first playing a wide screen film it doesn't use the full width of the screen. Using the menu I have to select the different sizes of window and finally full screen. Using the hot keys do not work.

Also with a full screen film the same effect - as default full screen is 3/4 of the screen. To get really full screen I have to cycle through the different sizes.

This bug should have been picked up during beta testing.

[macridah]

I was going to wait for a few days to install this update, but heck, everyone said things are cool and I can't wait. I have faith in u macheads ;)

[QCassidy352]

hmm... after waking from sleep for the first time after this update, the fans in my SP rev. A 1.8 Ghz G5 came on louder than I've ever heard them. It sounded like a jet engine and lasted several minutes. Troubling... :eek:

[Westside guy]

I updated my Powerbook without issue. When we updated my daughter's iBook, though, it rebooted and went to the login screen just fine - but when she logged in, Finder wouldn't run. Rebooted, logged in as the admin - same problem.

After trying to manually launch /System/Library/CoreServices/Finder unsuccessfully, I found that the problem was due to /System/Library/Frameworks/QuickTime.framework/Versions/A/QuickTime
being 0 bytes long now. (Sidenote: Why the heck would a QuickTime problem derail Finder???) Fortunately the BSD guts were all working correctly, so I was able to copy this file from my Powerbook via scp - at which point Finder launched and everything was peachy.

Has anyone run into this sort of thing before?

[NeoMayhem]

I updated my Powerbook without issue. When we updated my daughter's iBook, though, it rebooted and went to the login screen just fine - but when she logged in, Finder wouldn't run. Rebooted, logged in as the admin - same problem.

After trying to manually launch /System/Library/CoreServices/Finder unsuccessfully, I found that the problem was due to /System/Library/Frameworks/QuickTime.framework/Versions/A/QuickTime
being 0 bytes long now. (Sidenote: Why the heck would a QuickTime problem derail Finder???) Fortunately the BSD guts were all working correctly, so I was able to copy this file from my Powerbook via scp - at which point Finder launched and everything was peachy.

Has anyone run into this sort of thing before?

My iBook just stops at "Login Window Starting" on the boot screen. So that means I need to reinstall panther and all the updates? Any ideas on howto fix it without reinstalling?

[swissmann]

Updated my G5 and all seems fine.

[Westside guy]

X11 won't launch for her now. :( This is truly odd.

[xgsrpg]

I think everyones forgetting the most important thing about this update, and that is:

BY HOW MUCH DOES THIS IMPROVE WOW FPS BY D:<

I don't have my PowerBook to tell you the exact numbers, but it performed much better for me. But you never know, I could have played with one of those settings that don't take effect after restart of game and I forgot I did it :confused:

[Jigglelicious]

Safari does feel a little faster, specifically switching between tabs. However it does nothing about the horrendous slowdown from numerous animated gifs. I really wish they'd fix that already.

[A Mac Gamer]

I just downloaded the update. It was optimizing then my screen went black, and i waited awhile and it didnt turn back on. So i held the power button. Then i restarted. Now it doesnt go past the apple with the gray background. Anyone know how to fix this?? :confused:

I have a Rev. A 2.0 Ghz, 512mb ram.

thanks

[neonart]

I just downloaded the update. It was optimizing then my screen went black, and i waited awhile and it didnt turn back on. So i held the power button. Then i restarted. Now it doesnt go past the apple with the gray background. Anyone know how to fix this?? :confused:

I have a Rev. A 2.0 Ghz, 512mb ram.

thanks

Run fsck.

Start with Apple+S held down. Then type what the last line in the black text tell you. I think it's /sbin/fsck -y Hit enter.

Worked once for me after nothing else did.

[zync]

Has anyone noticed that these updates have the same feeling as those of the Ministry of Plenty in 1984? It's like everything seems to be improving, but you never really notice :)

[BWhaler]

The update did not fix the ATI 9800XT "ripple" glitch. I was really hoping it would since there were ATI drivers in the update...but no such luck.

Curses. What the hell is wrong with Apple. $6K worth of hardware, and they can't get us the correct drivers?

[kilpajr]

X11 won't launch for her now. :( This is truly odd.

I just installed the update and did a permission repair. I am not having any trouble with X11. Good luck finding the problem.

[bousozoku]

I don't see much of a difference. It fixed a problem I've had with networking that the iTunes 4.7/QuickTime 6.5.2 update seemed to cause. OpenGL still looks bad to me sometimes in games.

I'm glad it's no worse. Hopefully, the fixes I need will be out before February. It would have been nice to have them fixed after nearly 12 months.

[JamSoft]

I have to say that after updating to 10.3.6 using Software Update I've had nothing but problems on my dual 2.5 G5 w/ Nvidia 6800 Ultra graphics card.

Here's a list I've noticed so far after about 10 min of use:

(1) My Lacie Big Disk Extreme 500GB connected via FW800 failed to mount on the desktop or show up in Disk Utility upon initial reboot from update. Even logging out and back in didn't solve the problem. The weird thing though was that I was able to play all of my music from itunes even though the entire music library is stored on the the Lacie HD. Powering the HD on and off also didn't fix the problem. It finally mounted after I rebooted.

(2) When copying and pasting links from Dreamweaver MX into Safari's URL field and pressing return, Safari freezes. The G5 revs up and the beach-ball appears until I force Safari to quit. Since I'm an amateur website designer I often do this to check links, but I've never had any issues until now.

(3) Significant increase in noise from internal Hard drives. I'm not sure how updating the OS could affect this, but it's the noise did increased drastically.

(4) fans rev up a lot more often for non-intensive CPU tasks.

[Westside guy]

I just installed the update and did a permission repair. I am not having any trouble with X11. Good luck finding the problem.

I'd done permission repair, and then an fsck for good measure. There weren't any errors.

The problem was due to another zero-length file (found it by launching Xquartz from the command line) - /usr/X11R6/lib/libfreetype.6.3.dylib. Again, I was able to fix it by scp'ing the good file off my Powerbook.

I'm wondering if this is a problem related to the "smart updating" that the latest Panther does, where it customizes the files that are chosen to be downloaded to your computer.

[~Shard~]

Has anyone noticed that these updates have the same feeling as those of the Ministry of Plenty in 1984? It's like everything seems to be improving, but you never really notice :)

Wow, that takes me back - I haven't read that book in ages! You have a good point though, hmmm... ;)

[dmealiffe]

I'd love to try the update, but Software Update crashes approximately 75% through the progress bar. It doesn't even show the update in the list before it dies!

Anyone have any ideas? I just recently upgraded my processor to a 1.4 GHz OWC module, but that shouldn't cause any trouble, should it? :confused:

[socamx]

Didn't fix the iBook G4 screensaver issue with the calibration getting messed up. Been a long time with this problem now for iBook users.

[Stewie]

After the update, Finder seemed to lost all of the view options (icon size, text size and keep arranged by) I has set. Some of the folders seemed to keep these setting, but not all of my folders. Now the ability to set those options for all windows no longer works. So now I need to go through all my folders and set these options again.

Oh and I did do the standard permissions repair and another reboot after the update. Strange????

[mattsntx]

My firewire 400 Hard Drive also disappeared after the install. I am glad I read the earlier post that a reboot fixes the problem because turning it on and off does nothing.


****I spoke way to soon. I just rebooted my computer and still no firewire hard drive. I opened disk utility and it showed up there. I verified it and repaired it and then attempted to mount it. But Disk Utility would not mount it. So then I unmounted it and it disappeared from the list in Disk Utility. I turned the drive off and back on, but then the drive just kept spinning with the red "write" light on solid. It stayed that way for about five minutes. I rebooted the computer and the firewire drive came back on with the red "write" light still on. It stayed that way for about five more minutes and then mounted out of the blue. Something strange seems to be going on here.

[Johnstkr]

10.3.6 update kernel panicked and hosed my boot process, it stalled on "starting login window", an archive and install was all that fixed it. no luck on disk repairs, permissions, fsck. Crash log said the file at /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Admin.framework/Versions/A/Admin was thrashed. TMYK.

[NEENAHBOY]

I think I may have had a minor coronary while updating to 10.3.6...after my PowerBook rebooted (a little too quickly, by the way) the typical blue screen came up, but after about ten seconds or so it turned progressively grey until I could almost not make out the program icons. After a few seconds of this, a gradually increasing pinkish hue on the top of the screen came about, followed by lines amidst the pink. Did a manual shutdown and now everything seems to be working fine. A tad odd...

[damson34]

Left it downloading while i went to eat and when I came back the computer would not wake from sleep. When i restarted the screen is like pulsating, its really weird, dont know what the problem is.

[elgruga]

Calculator is now doing odd things, and is broken not fixed, Safari is slower, everything seems a little treacle-like. Windows are slower, etc.
I backed up to an external HD before the update and now I plan to put 10.3.5 back on.

I may try to do permissions first and see if that changes anything.

Thankyou, Carbon Copy Cloner.

[sessha]

updated fine on 1.5 PB and 933 tower
no problems noted so far..

will try on emac and dual 1 later

[patniemeyer]

After rebooting Safari will no longer launch.

Am I alone?


Pat

[rendezvouscp]

Wow, this seems to be a field of problems with the update. Can any developers point out similar problems in Build 7R27? That's what I've been running for the past, maybe, week, and I haven't had any of these problems at all (but I haven't tested FireWire, but Safari, DVD Player, etc. I've tested).
-Chase

[iriejedi]

2.5 +1.5 gig RAM with 6800 ultra - have not noticed even the tinest of changes.

Cinnebenct showed like a 2% improvement... but that could just be noise.

:-)

Good luck to everyone else with issues. Off to test some programs...

After rebooting Safari will no longer launch.

Am I alone?


Pat

[AmigoMac]

I installed 8 hours ago... i just woke up, everything ok, I feel snappier. ;)

[Westside guy]

:D

I ran into yet a THIRD problem - disk images wouldn't mount. Aarrgghh.

So... rather than try to figure out yet another bad file location, I downloaded the FULL 96MB installer, mounted it on my Powerbook so I could grab the package file, copied that over to the iBook, and installed it.

Seems to have fixed the disk image problem, and I'd guess (hope?) things should be fine now.

[Macheath_Messer]

Everything seems okay for me so far after having applied the update. I haven't gotten to try out many of the programs I have installed, but everything I have tried has worked okay so far. :)

Things do seem snappier, but it could just be in my sleep-deprived head. ;)

FWIW: 1.25 GHz single proc. G4 MDD w/1.25 GB RAM

[Lancetx]

Everything is A-OK on my 17" PowerBook after running the combo updater. Every app I've launched so far runs fine and my FireWire 400 HD mounts and works with no problems at all too. I did repair permissions using Disk Utility both before and after the update, but otherwise I didn't do anything else special.

[NeoMayhem]

Formated my iBook and did a clean install of panther. 10.3.6 installed and runs fine now. Must have not worked the first time from some of my system mods and files I removed.

[switchedanhappy]

I didn't read all the posts here, but since I installed the update, my logitech two button usb mouse won't work and every time I put my g5 to sleep it wakes up again immediately. this reminds me of when I was a windows user. wtf?!?!?! :mad:

[Rower_CPU]

No problems here on 2 PowerBooks. Permissions repair just fixed the cd9660 thing it always does (why don't they take care of that?).

[PowermacG5]

My install got to about 80 percent and crashed. Hold power button for 5 seconds in all the lanquages. Rebooted and it said i had the new version.
should i worry about it?

[BakedBeans]

No problems here on 2 PowerBooks. Permissions repair just fixed the cd9660 thing it always does (why don't they take care of that?).

whats a cd9660 thing ?

everythings fine here on the powerbook 15inch 1.5ghz superdrive beastling

[bousozoku]

No problems here on 2 PowerBooks. Permissions repair just fixed the cd9660 thing it always does (why don't they take care of that?).

I think there were two of those that arrived in 10.2 and took until 10.2.6 to fix, so it might be a while with the cd9660.util file. As long as the CD-ROM file system works, I'm fine with it showing up each time.

[BakedBeans]

I think there were two of those that arrived in 10.2 and took until 10.2.6 to fix, so it might be a while with the cd9660.util file. As long as the CD-ROM file system works, I'm fine with it showing up each time.

ive no idea what that cd9660 thing is, can you shed any light for me?

[Andy_UK]

I didn't read all the posts here, but since I installed the update, my logitech two button usb mouse won't work and every time I put my g5 to sleep it wakes up again immediately. this reminds me of when I was a windows user. wtf?!?!?! :mad:

Yes, I have exactly the same problem with an iMac G5. You put the computer into a sleep state, it shuts down, everything goes quiet for a second then it springs back to life.

Any work arounds?

[Xtremehkr]

How come I never have any problems when I update my little G3 600Mhz?

All of a sudden, the amount of negative feedback soared. Funny that.

Actually, before I updated today, I was noticing a ripple effect for the first time and though the CRT was going bad. I guess that the last update was pretty crappy, but I was in the process of moving and did not use the computer much.

All of these problems seem isolated to G5s, any MacRumor regulars having the same problems with their G5s? Just curious, I figured my close to being obsolete G3 would be the one having problems.

Well, at least Safari is snappy again, I was beginning to wonder. At this point, I start questioning whether or not I have held out too long before buying a new Apple. But then an update comes along and makes everything run well.

P.S.

My Logitech MX 700 Mouse and Logitech Wireless Keyboard are working just fine. Would the processor involved make a difference?

[Xtremehkr]

If the reports are to be believed I am a little baffled, can the speed of the chip really influence the operating system?

How does having a G3, G4 or G5 make any difference to the OS? is the update different depending on what chip you have?

[SonySnake]

No problems here on 2 PowerBooks. Permissions repair just fixed the cd9660 thing it always does (why don't they take care of that?).

I always wondered what the heck this thing was

[macgallant]

I just installed the OS X 10.3.6 update on a Dual 1 GHz MDD Power Mac G4. Before the install, I had my system volume at 50%, with iTunes at 100%. After restarting, I noticed that suddenly my Adium sounds were louder than usual. Then I noticed that iTunes seemed to be playing considerably louder than before, even though the volume settings were the same. I tried playing around with the volume (both iTunes and system) but it still seems to be louder than before. (I didn't touch the speakers either.) Has anyone else experienced this?

(Besides that, everything seems to be the same or slightly improved... Calculator's floating-point operation errors are fixed, and Safari seems *slightly* faster, but I've experienced one beachball since the update)

I too have an MDD G4 tower (Dual 867Mhz) and updated to OS X 10.3.6 and am experiencing the louder sound as well. My volume was set to 10/16 and it sounded louder than the way it was in OS X 10.3.5. When I put it to sleep and wake it I checked my sound and it set to near max! and I had to lower it back to the sound back to 10/16. Is this a sound bug with OS X 10.3.6 and MDD towers?

[Skiniftz]

If you read the knowledgebase article for the update, you'll see that as one of the fixes in this version.

However, I've never understood the fascination with the 'list of users', particularly for network users. What's wrong with using the two-field username/password interface rather than the list-of-users?
Trust me on this - when you are dealing with 300 art students and staff its a LOT simpler. We are talking about people who don't understand the concept of user accounts and can't understand that if there is no account, then they cannot login. "But I typed my name!"

As for staff - I kid you not when I tell you that we have them INSIST things like the computer is "faster" when not connected to the network and demanding a computer be standalone, and when we have granted this request and disconnected it from the network ten minutes later they complain that "the Internet isnt working" and "we cant print over the network".

I really am not joking here.

As for it mentioning the list of login name and crash fix in the read me - no it doesn't - it only says it "makes it easier to scroll through a long list of user names in the login window."

That could mean anything.

[virividox]

downloading now wahooo

[hornandsaxguy]

Hi All,

I had major problems with my PB 12 1 Ghz connecting to my Linksys basestation in 10.3.5. Would not re-establish a working IP using DHCP after waking from sleep. Had to back install to 10.3.4. To quote from the macfixit entry (http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20040915081217505):

====

"AirPort intermittent connections A number of readers have reported isssues with intermittent AirPort reception since installing the 10.3.5 Update. Reader Tim Bonnici writes about his experiences:

"I would like to add my voice to the chorus of those experiencing Airport dropouts since updating 10.3.5. Previously the network had worked flawlessly. [Now] at times the only way to get the Airport network back up again is to do a hard reset of the base station. Drop outs happen with no discernable pattern. Sometime sthings can work fine for days and at other times the network disappears every 10 seconds."

====

Anybody seen these problems resolve with 10.3.6? Really nervous about updating from 10.3.4 before I know whether this is gone.

Thanks,

Ted

[fastred]

Both of my systems have been running like total dogs since 10.3.5. It's the first time I've had to beat on my desk in a screaming fit since buying them 2 years ago. Here's to hoping 10.3.6 fixes that.

Absolutely! 10.3.5 was extremely slow.... and for some reason meant that many of my apps were consuming huge amounts of memory... They seem to be back to using what they were under 10.3.4, which is great....

Jeremy
(PowerBook G3 Pismo, 20" iMac G5 on the way....)

[Skiniftz]

ive no idea what that cd9660 thing is, can you shed any light for me?
/Library/Filesystems/cd9660.fs/cd9660.util is a program that had a buffer overflow problem late last year. This would not be so bad except the original was SUID root meaning that no matter who executes it, it runs as root. This is a VERY Bad Idea especially with a program that has a buffer overflow.

They fixed the file and the permissions, however didn't tell the permission repair process which will always try to put the permissions back to SUID root. This is why you get the warning when doing a permissions repair.

You can tell if it's SUID root by doing an ls -l

# ls -l
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 20436 15 Sep 00:51 cd9660.util

Thats what it should look like. If it's SUID root it will look like this:

-rwsr-xr-x 1 root wheel 20436 15 Sep 00:51 cd9660.util

to clear the SUID bit, use

sudo chmod 755 cd9660.util

[hob]

I always wondered what the heck this thing was

Yeah, it's been there since 10.3... It's not fixed - still comes up for me...

[cb911]

hopefully this will fix the weird display bug... sometimes i'll be scrolling in Safari, and then everything gets jumbled up, and i have to highlight it to fix it. :/

[Vanilla]

I installed it without any problems, thankfully.

One minor thing still bugs me though and that is that the calculator still cannot edit the results display, which is a real pain.
For example:

If you perform the following calculation: 250 * 3000

On a Windows XP calculator the result is displayed as: 750,000

On OS X calculator the result is displayed as: 750000 ie WITHOUT the comma. When the results are really large numbers its a flippin pain looking at the string of digits and mentally editing them.

It seems such a simple enhancement to make, I can't understand why its not been done.

But apart from that admittedly minor issue I'm fine.
Vanilla

[iGary]

I always wondered what the heck this thing was

I get that 33261 EVERY time I repair permissions on any of my machines - all of them.

[TigerKR]

Hardware Config:

MDD DP 1.25 GHz G4 Tower
10.3.6 and all updates, permissions repaired
no third party audio hardware


Description:

After updating, audio volume was increased, and quality was decreased.


Hypothesis:

I looked on the Apple Discussions and someone with the same problem said that they fixed this problem by zapping their PRAM.


Solution:

Zapping the PRAM does fix the audio volume/quality problem for me.

[russed]

ooh its nice to have an update to wake up to!

i hope my external firewire drive works when i restart it now!

wish me luck!

update: well everything seem cool for me!

[munkle]

Despite reading all the bad reports, decided I was a badass and was going to download it anyway...and...apart from a long start up everything is the same as before. So I'm happy, go forth and download.

[odo]

Hmm still no real change in the OpenGL performance with Cinebench. This is bad news. PC OpenGL-performance is still twice as high as on a G5. Please Apple fix this!

[SpaceMagic]

I too have an MDD G4 tower (Dual 867Mhz) and updated to OS X 10.3.6 and am experiencing the louder sound as well. My volume was set to 10/16 and it sounded louder than the way it was in OS X 10.3.5. When I put it to sleep and wake it I checked my sound and it set to near max! and I had to lower it back to the sound back to 10/16. Is this a sound bug with OS X 10.3.6 and MDD towers?

Mine are also a lot louder

[iSwitch]

I downloaded and installed this morning and so far there are problems encountered.:)

One thing I want to share tho: Before the update my ibook doesn't go to sleep automatically when it is idle for several hrs, I set the energy settings to sleep in 15mins when using the battery and 20 mins when using power adaptor.

Now it seem to respond to the settings i set in the energy settings... other than that I don't experience any problem so far. :)

[raincoat]

Having just downloaded 10.3.6 but not having restarted yet, i looked down to mail only to see 28 new emails flashing. Upon opening mail i found that all of these emails were ones that had been previously sent to me but had now been recieved again! Not just in my .mac account but also in my company email. Anyone else had this? :confused:

[mai]

there is no more hint to a pb g5 in the "/System/Library/Extensions/AppleMacRISC4PE.kext/Contents/Info.plist", are they simply avoiding speculation, or is there really no pb g5 coming out in jannuary?? wähäää :( :(

[mojohanna]

Just read the linked articles, the update size depends on your computer/configuration.
How do you get you system to show the 14M? I have DSL, but it is a "lite" version (This is the only broadband in my area and needless to say, consumers are being taken advantage of).
Am I correct to assume that the package is more compressed or zipped in some fashion? Am I also correct in that it would take less time to dl if it is in the 14 meg format instead of 34?

Thanks!

Never mind, stupid me, should have read the KB before i posted :p

[toughboy]

there is no more hint to a pb g5 in the "/System/Library/Extensions/AppleMacRISC4PE.kext/Contents/Info.plist", are they simply avoiding speculation, or is there really no pb g5 coming out in jannuary?? wähäää :( :(

Man, are we all serious about powerbook G5 being so soon?? Can't we all see the heat problems they encounter with even iMac G5?? I've read about 50 peoples only on this forum, who bought an iMac G5 and had weird sounds coming out of fans and problems with mainboard and etc...

Plus, look at the market.. I cant really see a 64bit PC notebook yet in anywhere.. even if there is a model that I could not recognized yet, I'm sure its not in the 1699$ price range..

I'm not expecting anything until Tiger comes out, which most of you say late-winter for release.. its not that I dont want, I'd LOVE TO, but it is that I dont see it feasible.. :(

[Zaty]

there is no more hint to a pb g5 in the "/System/Library/Extensions/AppleMacRISC4PE.kext/Contents/Info.plist", are they simply avoiding speculation, or is there really no pb g5 coming out in jannuary?? wähäää :( :(

That's because Panther will never run on a PB G5, they will come with Tiger pre-installed.

[nubero]

Yeah, software updates are cool, but Calculator?

There is actually a bug in the swiss german version of calculator. the period (.) in the numeric keypad isn't recognised. you have to use the comma (,) on the main keyboard to get it. Very annoying if you want to type quickly.

I actually told someone from Apple Support, who I know from iChat, about it.

Haven't installed 10.3.6 yet but I'm wondering if it is fixed now...

[mrzippy]

On installing OS X 10.3.6 via software update on my iMac G5 1.8 GHz (17") I selected reboot, the Mac started to shut down, then the desktop wallpaper reappeared tiled and corrupted, with the dock but not top bar, the mouse pointer still worked, nothing would launch and I could not bring up the force quit menu.

On power down (via power button) the iMac restarted OK and 10.3.6 was running.

My iMac is a couple of days old, and had only had iTunes 4.7, Quicktime 6.5.2 and security updates installed on it via software update.

I have also installed on my PowerMac Dual 1.25 GHz (FW800) with no problems.

[Dr. Distortion]

After rebooting Safari will no longer launch.

Am I alone?


Pat

I've had the same problem. You must have been running Safari v136, the unofficially released beta... A simple browse with Internet Explorer to http://www.apple.com/safari/ and download/install will do the trick.

[iMeowbot]

No problems here on 2 PowerBooks. Permissions repair just fixed the cd9660 thing it always does (why don't they take care of that?).
That's a feature, not a bug.

If we look at the file before running the permissions repair, we see:
$ ls -l /System/Library/Filesystems/cd9660.fs/cd9660.util
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 20436 5 Nov 17:15 /System/Library/Filesystems/cd9660.fs/cd9660.util
The -rwxr-xr-x in octal is 0755.

Running the permissions repair, we are told:
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./System/Library/Filesystems/cd9660.fs/cd9660.util. New permissions are 33261
Converting 33261 to octal, we get 0100755. That's really the same thing as 0755; the additional 1 in there is just a more verbose form showing us that this is a regular file (as opposed to, say, a fifo, device or symlink). [see S_IFREG in /usr/include/sys/stat.h]

Performing the ls -l after running the permissions repair will confirm that the file's permissions have not changed.

In other words, Disk Utility is just making extra sure that cd9660.util has the correct permissions by forcing the issue rather than doing it conditionally.

[mrzippy]

If I try to use my iSight with iChat or Skype as soon and one of those programs try's to access it, it disappears from system preferences.

I have to unplug to get it back again.

Firewire issue with 10.3.6??

[devman]

installed on 2 x iBook G4 12" 800's, 1 x iBook G4 14" 1.2GHz, 1 x PB Al G4 15" 1.5GHz.

No problems on any system. External firewire 400 drives mount ok. AFP ok. Safari ok. Airport network ok.

[PubGuy]

I've installed 10.3.6 on the following machines with NO problems:

Powermac G4-400 (with G4-800 upgrade card), 1.5 MB, ATI 8500 video card, aftermarket 4-port PCI USB card, Macally keyboard, logitech mouse.

Titanium Powerbook G4-400 (first generation), 384 MB, PCI Wireless Card.

15" Flat Panel iMac G4-800, 512 MB.

iMac G3-350, 512 MB.

All machines were already upgraded to 10.3.5 and were fully up to date with all other updates, including Quicktime and iTunes. All updates went flawlessly. Everything tested and operational afterwards. Safari is faster (at least on my upgraded Powermac). Until this update, Safari was giving me serious heartburn with stalling all the time and getting frequent beach balls. This latest update has cured the problem! Way to go Apple!!!

[darkelipse04]

Once again I plead for someone to please send me the Safari 1.2.4 application itself to me. I am unable to get my 1.2 version to update, because I had 1.3 previously which is now not compatible with 10.3.6.
No one since page 3 seems to care..I thought this was a kind mac community..I dont really have anywhere else to turn..Thank you for anyone who actually listens.

Please send it to aeroguy242@yahoo.com or darkelipse04@netzero.com


Thanks anyone..

[~Shard~]

I'm surprised how many people have experienced problems with this update. My machine seems to be running fine since I did the update last night - 1.25 GHz G4 17" iMac...

[wowser]

Once again I plead for someone to please send me the Safari 1.2.4 application itself to me. I am unable to get my 1.2 version to update, because I had 1.3 previously which is now not compatible with 10.3.6.
No one since page 3 seems to care..I thought this was a kind mac community..I dont really have anywhere else to turn..Thank you for anyone who actually listens.

Please send it to aeroguy242@yahoo.com or darkelipse04@netzero.com


Thanks anyone..

Check your Yahoo :)

[cluthz]

My powerbook is running fine after the 10.3.6 installation.
I've benchmarked ut2003 berfore and after and i got a +5% increase in framerates (i know thats within margins of error).

I haven't tried it on my sawtooth yet, i would probably do it within the next days.

[darkelipse04]

Thank you wowser it worked!

[mai]

Man, are we all serious about powerbook G5 being so soon?? Can't we all see the heat problems they encounter with even iMac G5?? I've read about 50 peoples only on this forum, who bought an iMac G5 and had weird sounds coming out of fans and problems with mainboard and etc...

Plus, look at the market.. I cant really see a 64bit PC notebook yet in anywhere.. even if there is a model that I could not recognized yet, I'm sure its not in the 1699$ price range..

I'm not expecting anything until Tiger comes out, which most of you say late-winter for release.. its not that I dont want, I'd LOVE TO, but it is that I dont see it feasible.. :(

ok, this discussion around g5 pb is not new and sure its not really necessary, and it will also cost then about eur/dollar 3.000,-, maybe i'm too naive, but i expext one, guess they are planing also since the first steps of a the g5, long time ago, nobody also did believe in a g4 pb that early, and of course apple wants to have the "wahhh-effect", "they did it again", like they really did in the past several times, and i'm asking myself, is it really such a problem to adapt the 970fx in power consumption with the cooperation of ibm, has it to be a 1.8 ghz pb?, i just say: "its time now", at least i wish so, anyway sometime it will happen ... :D :D

[wowser]

Thank you wowser it worked!

no probs :)

[neonart]

I'm surprised how many people have experienced problems with this update. My machine seems to be running fine since I did the update last night - 1.25 GHz G4 17" iMac...

I'm always intrigued by the large amount of people with weird problems. I wonder if these are people who never repair permissions, have tons of mods and hacks, or install every demo and piece of freeware they can find? Then once an update comes along and shuffles things around they get these problems.

PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT: Before updates 1) Make shure you dont have any weird hacks running. 2) Repair disk permissions 3) If you have a particularly picky machine, restart and then run Software Update all by itself.

It's not that I don't belive that some have issues, but I've never had a problem with any update and constantly see so many have problems with every update.

May your Macs live long and prosper :D

[blufire]

Mine are also a lot louder

I've realized that every time I restart my machine, the volume gets messed up again. We obviously shouldn't need to unplug and re-plug our speakers every time we start up. :P Any ideas on a fix? I'm going to contact Apple about it.

Also, my Mac has no weird hacks, I do repair permissions, and this is the first time I've experienced problems after an upgrade. There seems to be a consensus that this volume problem only happens among MDD Power Macs, so I'm sure it can't just be me.

[VicMacs]

makes me feel good about selling my mdd... the temp yosemite i got doesnt have the sound problem! hehe but runs at 1/10 of waht the mdd did... anyways.. no problems so far

[iProbot]

What's up with all the negative rates???? :confused:

[iProbot]

How come I never have any problems when I update my little G3 600Mhz?

:) Same goes for me, with my G3 500 Mhz iMac :) Everything went ok again, since I bought my Mac about 4 years ago :D

[rogerw]

no probs
ibook g3

[cyberddot]

no problems....

G5 iMac 1.6
G4 eMac

[mai]

That's because Panther will never run on a PB G5, they will come with Tiger pre-installed.

:confused: that would mean in the most bad case 06/2005, but on osx 10.3.5 was definitely a hint of a g5 in a pb (i would say)

[ifjake]

back in 10.3.5 they were still testing powerbook G5 prototypes with panther. now that tiger is getting more and more developed, and since powerbook G5s will undoubtedly arrive after tiger does, all testing is now done with tiger.

[joser]

well i did the update and now my external firewire hdd's dont mount even after reboots...connecting and disconnecting.... is anyone else having the same issues w/ the new update ...on ext. fw hdd's?


powermac g5 dual 2.5
powermac g4 mdd dual 1.0
powermac g5 dual 2.0
23" alum. lcd :confused:

[donniedarko]

Did disk Utilities following Install as I always do-
"Repairing permissions for “opi”
Determining correct file permissions.
User differs on ./Library/QuickTime, should be 0, owner is 501
Group differs on ./Library/QuickTime, should be 80, group is 20
Owner and group corrected on ./Library/QuickTime
Permissions corrected on ./Library/QuickTime
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./System/Library/Filesystems/cd9660.fs/cd9660.util. New permissions are 33261
Group differs on ./usr, should be 0, group is 80
Owner and group corrected on ./usr
Permissions corrected on ./usr
The privileges have been verified or repaired on the selected volume

Permissions repair complete"


Things seem snappier- Will do bench test to see what numbers are

[iChan]

Yeah, software updates are cool, but Calculator?

when resuming from a paused dvd in the DVD player, the movie would proceed for about 2 seconds and then stal for a second or two before proceeding with the movie properly... DVD player no longer does this... resuming DVD's is so seamless now...

[iChan]

Just updated, no problems here so far!

Thx Apple!

http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/corky/corkysm60.gif

when scrolling through these forums with safari, there are loads of little glitches in the rendering of text and things... weird. i'll try to take a screenshot of it.

[Andy_UK]

I'm always intrigued by the large amount of people with weird problems. I wonder if these are people who never repair permissions, have tons of mods and hacks, or install every demo and piece of freeware they can find? Then once an update comes along and shuffles things around they get these problems.

In short, no.

My iMac G5 goes into sleep mode, then wakes straight away. No I'm not pressing any keys and no the mouse isn't being moved. But, however, if the computer goes into sleep mode after it's normal pre determined time in Energy Saver it works ok, it's only when forcing it to sleep do I get the problem?

[mrzippy]

Can someone with an iSight please post, having real problems since installing 10.3.6 on PowerMac G4 1.25 DP (FW800)

Tried iSight with iChat and Skype.

The camera disapears seconds after trying to access in either program, have to unplug to get to reappear.

OS X 10.3.6 would not shut down earlier until I unplugged my iSight.

Also my firewire HDD does not always mount any more.

Just rebooted into 10.3.5 on a firewire drive, had to hold option down on keyboard during boot to select, every time I set in 10.3.6 it still booted to internal drive.

Really think there are some MAJOR firewire issues here.

As noted ealier it crashed before shutting down after installing 10.3.6 on my iMac G5 also.

Ummm, wish I'd waited a few days, been lucky with every other update.

The iSight seems OK in 10.3.5 on my firewire drive.

HELP!


**** UPDATED! ****

The iSight just disappeared on 10.3.5 :(

The camera is a replacement I received from Apple support on Friday, looks like it could be faulty :( and there was me impresed that I got a replacement within 7 days of sending the faulty one back.

[g4cubed]

That's a feature, not a bug.

If we look at the file before running the permissions repair, we see:
$ ls -l /System/Library/Filesystems/cd9660.fs/cd9660.util
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 20436 5 Nov 17:15 /System/Library/Filesystems/cd9660.fs/cd9660.util
The -rwxr-xr-x in octal is 0755.

Running the permissions repair, we are told:
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./System/Library/Filesystems/cd9660.fs/cd9660.util. New permissions are 33261
Converting 33261 to octal, we get 0100755. That's really the same thing as 0755; the additional 1 in there is just a more verbose form showing us that this is a regular file (as opposed to, say, a fifo, device or symlink). [see S_IFREG in /usr/include/sys/stat.h]

Performing the ls -l after running the permissions repair will confirm that the file's permissions have not changed.

In other words, Disk Utility is just making extra sure that cd9660.util has the correct permissions by forcing the issue rather than doing it conditionally.
I never knew what that was all about. :o Thanks iMeowbot for that piece of info

[JDOG_]

Well it doesn't look like networking really got enhanced or improved at all. I still can't browse the other computers on my college network like my roommate can with his PC. Worked okay with 10.3.1 and since then, every 0.0.1 upgrade has failed to improve it with my machine.

[Rower_CPU]

That's a feature, not a bug.

...

Performing the ls -l after running the permissions repair will confirm that the file's permissions have not changed.

So the "feature" doesn't change anything...everytime? Doesn't sound like a feature to me.

[jared_kipe]

I'd love to try the update, but Software Update crashes approximately 75% through the progress bar. It doesn't even show the update in the list before it dies!

Anyone have any ideas? I just recently upgraded my processor to a 1.4 GHz OWC module, but that shouldn't cause any trouble, should it? :confused:

I had a similar problem with an emac, but it started fine, but now software update won't run. I'm thinking re intall of mac osx.

[wrldwzrd89]

Excuse me for not reading the whole thread, but anyway...

I just installed it, and have no problems (except for an extremely long delay when a Windows machine connects to an updated Mac for the first time).

[iMeowbot]

So the "feature" doesn't change anything...everytime? Doesn't sound like a feature to me.
It's really there for installation. The package has the permissions marked as forced, to help prevent a regression, and its appearance in Disk Utility that way is a side effect, just a message noting that it's being forced. Given all the different patch levels it's possible to have with a Panther system, it makes sense to stomp a bug from more than one angle. If the patched binary somehow fails to get installed, the package info offers a second chance to render it harmless. Makes sense to me...

[frenetic]

just updated and everything seems fine - disk images mount, firewire drives work, airport networks functions normally. In short, no problem so far.

[stid]

After updating to 10.3.6 I have serious problems with xcode 1.5.

Old and new projects cannot be compiled due to a link errror, and requesting an item "info" geve me an error: "Cannot find value transformer with name XCStringToDataTransformer".

I will try to reinstall xcode later...

Any one with similar problem?

[Rower_CPU]

It's really there for installation. The package has the permissions marked as forced, to help prevent a regression, and its appearance in Disk Utility that way is a side effect, just a message noting that it's being forced. Given all the different patch levels it's possible to have with a Panther system, it makes sense to stomp a bug from more than one angle. If the patched binary somehow fails to get installed, the package info offers a second chance to render it harmless. Makes sense to me...

Dunno - to me the brute force approach is poor programming. If permissions repair actually works correctly, it should be able to detect that the permissions are correct and not "fix" it every time. Guess I just prefer the conditional method.

[bousozoku]

Dunno - to me the brute force approach is poor programming. If permissions repair actually works correctly, it should be able to detect that the permissions are correct and not "fix" it every time. Guess I just prefer the conditional method.

It looks more like a kludge than ordinary operations but that's what I've come to expect from UNIX. Why should Mac OS X work any better? The good thing is that it's not hurting anything.

[macgallant]

Hardware Config:

MDD DP 1.25 GHz G4 Tower
10.3.6 and all updates, permissions repaired
no third party audio hardware


Description:

After updating, audio volume was increased, and quality was decreased.


Hypothesis:

I looked on the Apple Discussions and someone with the same problem said that they fixed this problem by zapping their PRAM.


Solution:

Zapping the PRAM does fix the audio volume/quality problem for me.


Zapping the pram didn't fix the audio volume problem for me. it's still loud, I either have to unplug and replug my speakers or to put my system to sleep then wake it (this causes the system sound to have it's actual volume displayed) and manually set it back to 10/16 volume. I didn't have to distortion problem though, just the volume problem.

Note to MDD owners: We got to notify Apple about this!

[Westside guy]

I'm always intrigued by the large amount of people with weird problems. I wonder if these are people who never repair permissions, have tons of mods and hacks, or install every demo and piece of freeware they can find? Then once an update comes along and shuffles things around they get these problems.


Hehe. This update was the first time I've ever run into problems. No, I rarely do anything too abnormal to my system. And, as I posted before, my Powerbook handled it fine while my iBook did not.

Since this thread has been way too civil :D I'm going to post a somwhat discordant opinion here and see what happens (please don't take this personally neonart; your post was just a convenient seque into something I've mulled over for quite some time). "Repair permissions" in OS X seems to be what "rebuild desktop", if I'm remembering the phrase correctly, was to OS 9 users - a quick, stock answer that people trot out for every problem query. It can fix problems that happen to a person in normal day-to-day use, for sure; but it shouldn't really be necessary (or even affect anything) prior to an operation that is run as root (i.e. sudo) - such as an upgrade.

I've been a Linux user and admin much longer than I've been a Mac user; but the basic principle should be the same. "root" overrides permissions. The root user (or a sudo user) can write to a read-only file, and can navigate into directories that have no permissions set.

If you don't believe me, try this. make a directory "temp" off your home directory. copy a couple files into it, then "chown -R 000 temp" so all bits are unset. Next, switch to root "sudo su". Now go into temp. Now, "cat" one of the files. You'll see something like this:


Nikita:/Users/foouser root# cd temp
Nikita:/Users/foouser/temp root# ls -al
total 48
d--------- 4 foouser foouser 136 6 Nov 10:45 .
drwxr-xr-x 77 foouser foouser 2618 6 Nov 10:45 ..
---------- 1 foouser foouser 20480 6 Nov 10:45 Copy User Account Request.doc
---------- 1 foouser foouser 2571 6 Nov 10:45 xinitrc.term
Nikita:/Users/foouser/temp root# cat xinitrc.term
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple Computer//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd">
<plist version="1.0">
<dict>
<key>WindowSettings</key>
<array>
<dict>
<key>AutoFocus</key>
<string>YES</string>

... <--- Clipping out a bunch of stuff that's unnecessary to make my point

<key>WindowCloseAction</key>
<string>1</string>
</dict>
</array>
</dict>
</plist>
Nikita:/Users/foouser/temp root#


Note that you don't have to have root enabled to do this.

Now, seriously - feel free to point out anything I've overlooked here.

[Karlchen]

Dudes...

installed .3.6 on my 15''Alu PB,
everything is working fine so far.
Absolutely no problems with external LaCie FW Disk, no problem with sound and no problem with Safari.
Ichat with ISight working fine, too.

Greetings from Germany
Karl the Great

[thehypercube]

no isight problems to speak of on ibook g4 1.0ghz for those above with problems.

[blufire]

Zapping the pram didn't fix the audio volume problem for me. it's still loud, I either have to unplug and replug my speakers or to put my system to sleep then wake it (this causes the system sound to have it's actual volume displayed) and manually set it back to 10/16 volume. I didn't have to distortion problem though, just the volume problem.

Note to MDD owners: We got to notify Apple about this!

I sent a bug report to Apple through their site > Mac OS X > Feedback. I tried zapping PRAM and going to open firmware [reset-nvram, reset-all] and that didn't help me either. Looks like it'll take a software fix from Apple :P

[nagromme]

No more 60-second timeout in Safari! Thank you--now I can upload big files without having to use Camino. But I'll give the guinea pigs a couple weeks before I take the plunge :)

I REALLY hope this fixes the much-discussed dialup problems with 10.3.5. I was a late adopter of that and STILL paid the price--my AlBook can now dial up maybe 4 times, and then no more unless I reboot. Apple boards suggest that many (not all) laptop owners are affected. A MAJOR pain.

It's been reported for so long that Apple must know... but it's not mentioned in the update documentation. Nothing about modems, dialup or PPP. Fingers crossed a anyway!

[NEENAHBOY]

With all the problems everyone's been encountering, I for one wouldn't be surprised if we saw 10.3.6.1 on the horizon in a week or so.

[fluidinclusion]

Hi All,

I had major problems with my PB 12 1 Ghz connecting to my Linksys basestation in 10.3.5. Would not re-establish a working IP using DHCP after waking from sleep. Had to back install to 10.3.4. To quote from the macfixit entry (http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20040915081217505):

====

"AirPort intermittent connections A number of readers have reported isssues with intermittent AirPort reception since installing the 10.3.5 Update. Reader Tim Bonnici writes about his experiences:

"I would like to add my voice to the chorus of those experiencing Airport dropouts since updating 10.3.5. Previously the network had worked flawlessly. [Now] at times the only way to get the Airport network back up again is to do a hard reset of the base station. Drop outs happen with no discernable pattern. Sometime sthings can work fine for days and at other times the network disappears every 10 seconds."

====

Anybody seen these problems resolve with 10.3.6? Really nervous about updating from 10.3.4 before I know whether this is gone.

Thanks,

Ted


I don't remember when my PPB12" started having Airport dropouts after waking from sleep, but I have 10.3.5 installed. It is random, but I DO NOT have to reset the base station to get it working again. Just turn off airport (I keep my icon there in the upper right of the menu bar) and wait ~5 seconds before turning it back on. 99% of the time it works fine only occasionally do I have to do it twice. It just takes 10-15 seconds longer to get on the web. It is annoying though. I DID NOT have problems when I bought the 12" PB early this summer/late spring, but did after one of the updates (don't remember which). I always thought it was due to the WPA password and non broadcast of base station name settings I had on my DLINK router. I don't have problems at the free wifi spots I've visited. I'm going to wait for a while to see if others have problems. (That and I have to get a manuscript out this weekend and can't afford to have problems).

[fluidinclusion]

I have had other problems lately. WITH a good airport connection signal, I've had some sites not load (random - all sites affected at some point) lately. "Safari can't find the server...." Reloading the site immediately works fine, so I dont' think it is a PB problem. Maybe my router or DSL modem is problematic? That or someone is monitoring my traffic.

[iMeowbot]

It looks more like a kludge than ordinary operations but that's what I've come to expect from UNIX. Why should Mac OS X work any better? The good thing is that it's not hurting anything.
Yep. Case in point:

sh-2.05b# # Here is why they have to do it that way. BSD permissions are
sh-2.05b# # a little freaky, and setuid bits in particular have to be
sh-2.05b# # squashed a little harder than other things. Let's make
sh-2.05b# # some files.
sh-2.05b# echo honk > goose ; echo aroo > werewolf
sh-2.05b# chmod 755 goose werewolf
sh-2.05b# # Let's make werewolf setuid root.
sh-2.05b# chmod u+s werewolf
sh-2.05b# ls -l
total 16
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 5 6 Nov 14:51 goose
-rwsr-xr-x 1 root wheel 5 6 Nov 14:51 werewolf
sh-2.05b# # Now, let's replace werewolf with goose.
sh-2.05b# cp goose werewolf
sh-2.05b# ls -l
total 16
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 5 6 Nov 14:51 goose
-rwsr-xr-x 1 root wheel 5 6 Nov 14:52 werewolf
sh-2.05b# # Hey wait a minute, werewolf is still setuid! Did the cp
sh-2.05b# # really work?
sh-2.05b# cat werewolf
honk
sh-2.05b# # Yep, the file was successfully replaced, but that pesky
sh-2.05b# # setuid bit survived. They don't call it Berserkeley for
sh-2.05b# # nothing!

...and that is why we need redundancy. OS X is built on top of a pretty
good operating system personality, but definitely not a perfect one.

[macgallant]

I sent a bug report to Apple through their site > Mac OS X > Feedback. I tried zapping PRAM and going to open firmware [reset-nvram, reset-all] and that didn't help me either. Looks like it'll take a software fix from Apple :P

I just finish senting a bug report on the OS X 10.3.6 update myself (at apple's site:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/feedback/

I hope all of us MDD G4 tower owners who experience this sound problem would send in bug reports to Apple, cause it would help us all out in the long run.

Good job blufire!

[bousozoku]

Yep. Case in point:

sh-2.05b# # Here is why they have to do it that way. BSD permissions are
sh-2.05b# # a little freaky, and setuid bits in particular have to be
sh-2.05b# # squashed a little harder than other things. Let's make
sh-2.05b# # some files.
sh-2.05b# echo honk > goose ; echo aroo > werewolf
sh-2.05b# chmod 755 goose werewolf
sh-2.05b# # Let's make werewolf setuid root.
sh-2.05b# chmod u+s werewolf
sh-2.05b# ls -l
total 16
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 5 6 Nov 14:51 goose
-rwsr-xr-x 1 root wheel 5 6 Nov 14:51 werewolf
sh-2.05b# # Now, let's replace werewolf with goose.
sh-2.05b# cp goose werewolf
sh-2.05b# ls -l
total 16
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 5 6 Nov 14:51 goose
-rwsr-xr-x 1 root wheel 5 6 Nov 14:52 werewolf
sh-2.05b# # Hey wait a minute, werewolf is still setuid! Did the cp
sh-2.05b# # really work?
sh-2.05b# cat werewolf
honk
sh-2.05b# # Yep, the file was successfully replaced, but that pesky
sh-2.05b# # setuid bit survived. They don't call it Berserkeley for
sh-2.05b# # nothing!

...and that is why we need redundancy. OS X is built on top of a pretty
good operating system personality, but definitely not a perfect one.

To the defence of BSD, I'm sure that UNIX up to System III was just as bad. System V introduced a lot of solidity and reasonableness for commercial viability.

[zync]

Wow, that takes me back - I haven't read that book in ages! You have a good point though, hmmm... ;)

At least someone else feels that way :)

[iMeowbot]

To the defence of BSD, I'm sure that UNIX up to System III was just as bad. System V introduced a lot of solidity and reasonableness for commercial viability.
Oh, that particular bit of stupididty (permision being put onto replaced files) is widely duplicated. Big chunks of SysV were backported from Berkeley, and of course Linux and GNU have tried very hard to mimic the behavior of their elders.

That's one of the drawbacks of Unixoid systems, past mistakes are hard to throw away because fixing them introduces the risk of breaking software. Sigh. On the bright side, those goofy parts can be worked around, the folks in Redmond haven't been so lucky...

[Westside guy]

In any *nix, if you copy over an existing file the target file's permissions are preserved (setuid or setgid is irrelevant to the discussion), not just in BSD. It may not be what you long-time Mac users expect, but to those of us who came to OS X from *nix it makes perfect sense. :D

By default cp only worries about a file's contents. If you want to also take its permissions along, use -p:


[foouser@Nikita: tmp]$ echo foo > file1
[foouser@Nikita: tmp]$ echo foo2 > file2
[foouser@Nikita: tmp]$ chmod 600 file2
[foouser@Nikita: tmp]$ ls -al file*
-rw-rw-r-- 1 foouser wheel 4 6 Nov 12:30 file1
-rw------- 1 foouser wheel 5 6 Nov 12:30 file2
[foouser@Nikita: tmp]$ cp -p file1 file2
overwrite file2? (y/n [n]) y
[foouser@Nikita: tmp]$ ls -al file*
-rw-rw-r-- 1 foouser wheel 4 6 Nov 12:30 file1
-rw-rw-r-- 1 foouser wheel 4 6 Nov 12:30 file2
[foouser@Nikita: tmp]$


Even if you setuid on file2, "cp -p" will overwrite the permissions.

[MacSA]

Wow, so many people reporting problems.... I don't understand how it can work perfectly on one computer and not on another - it must be the way some people have their computers configured.

:confused:

[271]

i really dont know why people ar anxious to test new updates to OSX. why not wait a week or so at least so you know what you are getting into? i guess for some users the possibility of big fixes and little improvements makes it worth it but once my system works properly i tend not to change it.

every other update that apple release has some kind of issue w/audio/midi sequencers and plug ins. so when 10.3.3 was released i stopped there because everything works perfectly.

[mrzippy]

I have had other problems lately. WITH a good airport connection signal, I've had some sites not load (random - all sites affected at some point) lately. "Safari can't find the server...." Reloading the site immediately works fine, so I dont' think it is a PB problem. Maybe my router or DSL modem is problematic? That or someone is monitoring my traffic.

Been having this problem too, thought it was my router (wired)

Have manually set DNS servers in on Mac now to ensure router is not touching it.

I just went to versiontracker.com and it has still not loaded a page after several minutes (no error any more mind, maybe removal for 60 sec timeout), yet I opened another tab in Safari and it loaded first time.

Odd.

[zync]

Been having this problem too, thought it was my router (wired)

Have manually set DNS servers in on Mac now to ensure router is not touching it.

I just went to versiontracker.com and it has still not loaded a page after several minutes (no error any more mind, maybe removal for 60 sec timeout), yet I opened another tab in Safari and it loaded first time.

Odd.

Me three :( Though not too often. It's only happened like 3 times so far.

I'm running on Aiport Express.

[iMeowbot]

In any *nix, if you copy over an existing file the target file's permissions are preserved (setuid or setgid is irrelevant to the discussion), not just in BSD.
Yeah, I booted up v7 to play and sure enough the brain damage goes way back.
It may not be what you long-time Mac users expect, but to those of us who came to OS X from *nix it makes perfect sense. :D
Noithing about Unix makes sense. Many started out on real operating systems, not these Unix and Mac toys, and this is why the continued presence of this brain damage persists in being so mystifying.
By default cp only worries about a file's contents. If you want to also take its permissions along, use -p:
V7 doesn't have a -p switch, that's another Berserkeleyism :P The real problem is a little bit deeper, with broken file open semantics. Why they chose to do things that way will forever be a mystery, but it's got in the way of so many things that should have been easy like automatic memory mapping and portable, reliable mandatory locks. Instead we end up with delicate little dances that futilely attempt to avoid the inevitable race conditions, or writing different code for each "compatible" system. Bleah.
Even if you setuid on file2, "cp -p" will overwrite the permissions.
And of course, the pax that's actually used has a whole different set of options that do almost but not quite the same things, and permissions still can end up screwy because these tools silently ignore problems.

[veedubdrew]

Installed 10.3.6 and no problems to report. Safari seems quicker and there's some sort of scrollable area coming up with aqua-style widgets for blocks of webpages that are too wide for the designated window width. Safari renders a bit faster, things are scrolling smoother, and iPhoto flips between pics on my machine faster now. All good here! Oh, btw, external FW400 HDD works great.

-Drew

[kwajo.com]

wow, did anyone else get an INSANE amount of permissions to repair? cause i usually get maybe 3-10, but this time it's been filling up the list many a second for like 10 minutes and still isnt' done yet ! :confused: :eek:

[Psalm27]

Yes, now the calculator is half the size it used to be! Looks likes something salvaged off of OS 7.5.2! :- (

[Westside guy]

Noithing about Unix makes sense. Many started out on real operating systems, not these Unix and Mac toys, and this is why the continued presence of this brain damage persists in being so mystifying.

Can't argue with that - not because it makes any sense, but because it's such a bizzarre statement that there's just no shared frame of reference between it and reality. :D

You are, of course, free to believe what you want!

[iMeowbot]

Can't argue with that - not because it makes any sense, but because it's such a bizzarre statement that there's just no shared frame of reference between it and reality. :D
If you haven't been exposed to real industrial-strength operating systems, it's understandable that you would be at a loss to understand. A book (http://research.microsoft.com/~daniel/uhh-download.html) (free download even) is out there explaining the situation pretty well (yes, the author now works at MS, but was working on real computers at the time the book was written).

Additionally, a paper entitled The Rise of "Worse is Better" (http://www.jwz.org/doc/worse-is-better.html) offers a more succinct explanation of why Unix is a virus.

[jared_kipe]

I had a similar problem with an emac, but it started fine, but now software update won't run. I'm thinking re intall of mac osx. I went to apple support and downloaded the full update, it's working fine now.

[DJY]

No more 60-second timeout in Safari!

I still got one of these last night!??!
I havent noticed any problems with the update at all.
Read in another forum that this update stopped the popup box about being unable to load a site - but seems to still happen on my 17 PB

[macaudiodj]

Is any one havng Sleep problems

I am on my G5(it takes like 2 trys before it sleeps)

[bousozoku]

If you haven't been exposed to real industrial-strength operating systems, it's understandable that you would be at a loss to understand. A book (http://research.microsoft.com/~daniel/uhh-download.html) (free download even) is out there explaining the situation pretty well (yes, the author now works at MS, but was working on real computers at the time the book was written).

Additionally, a paper entitled The Rise of "Worse is Better" (http://www.jwz.org/doc/worse-is-better.html) offers a more succinct explanation of why Unix is a virus.

Since my first experience with UNIX in the mid-1980s, I've thought it to be flaky but then, I was kinda raised on IBM's midrange machines and operating systems. Those just are so good.

[mvc]

...
Additionally, a paper entitled The Rise of "Worse is Better" (http://www.jwz.org/doc/worse-is-better.html) offers a more succinct explanation of why Unix is a virus...

Enjoyed that, it's nice to see an aknowledgement that we have all finally given up on truly designing software to solve problems and now are stuck with a process more closely resembling evolution.

Evolution can not easily recapitulate on earlier decisions/forks, so evolution works within these preset limitations in the dna codebase to hack up 'near enough 'solutions to ongoing problems using whatever flexibility still exists.

These solutions are usually sub-optimal but functional in practice.

Sounds like application design in 2004.

[joeyboy76]

My install got to about 80 percent and crashed. Hold power button for 5 seconds in all the lanquages. Rebooted and it said i had the new version.
should i worry about it?

i had the same thing!

should i also worry about it???

[ASP272]

In the words of the Governator, "No Problemo" here. 450 G4

[~Shard~]

I'm always intrigued by the large amount of people with weird problems. I wonder if these are people who never repair permissions, have tons of mods and hacks, or install every demo and piece of freeware they can find? Then once an update comes along and shuffles things around they get these problems.

PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT: Before updates 1) Make shure you dont have any weird hacks running. 2) Repair disk permissions 3) If you have a particularly picky machine, restart and then run Software Update all by itself.

It's not that I don't belive that some have issues, but I've never had a problem with any update and constantly see so many have problems with every update.

May your Macs live long and prosper :D

Me as well - I have honestly never had one problem with an update either - and you are right, I never install a bunch of junk on my system or forget to repair permissions...

[JW Pepper]

My iMac G4 1ghz, now has had three random freezes, clock stopped, mouse active, nothing clickable. This has never happened with 10.3.5 or earlier, this is a very unwelcome into of instability in a system which up-to now had been rock solid.

[jalagl]

http://img128.exs.cx/img128/2703/Bild19.jpg

I was wondering about this myself. The current version is 1.2.3.

[timglobal]

Had a Kernel Panic on reset, but all good after that.

T

[movabi]

I had no problems updating... and i'm running shapeshifter, fruitmenu, windoshade, asm, menu meters, iclock, silk, synergy, popcharacter, xsounds, and labelsX

[reorx]

If you haven't been exposed to real industrial-strength operating systems, it's understandable that you would be at a loss to understand. A book (http://research.microsoft.com/~daniel/uhh-download.html) (free download even) is out there explaining the situation pretty well (yes, the author now works at MS, but was working on real computers at the time the book was written).

Additionally, a paper entitled The Rise of "Worse is Better" (http://www.jwz.org/doc/worse-is-better.html) offers a more succinct explanation of why Unix is a virus.

That's an interesting way to put it. I'd like to hear what operating systems you consider "Industrial Strength". How many of those OSes have open-source implementations?

I dare say that I completely agree with the second reference. To do something the "MIT" or "Correct" way means that you'll never get a solution that solves all the problems, because the design is nigh-near impossible to perfect. I know a few architects at my job that are like that. They have no concept of the user experience.

In my opinion, UNIX is the perfect compromise: Its not overwraught and encumbered and on a given set of hardware, provides better interactive response for its users. Something that its competition doesn't. (witness Windows NT/2000/XP and their old uncle VMS).

The IBM mainframe OS(es) are cool, but have that whole "usability" issue. As a transaction processing environment, they rule. I'd not have it any other way, just don't try and write software in a heap-centric language like C or C++, you'll not be pleased with the performance, as dynamic memory allocation is not what they excel at.

I'll stop rambling now... I've not met many people who didin't like UNIX after they actually used it, and am interested in hearing what they DO like...

[reckless_0001]

absolutely no problems here, on 1 iBook, 2 Powermacs and 1 Cube.

what's with all the negative for this thread?

:rolleyes:

[Baron58]

absolutely no problems here, on 1 iBook, 2 Powermacs and 1 Cube.

what's with all the negative for this thread?

:rolleyes:


People who attribute a result to a perceived cause, because they don't recognise the real cause (it's easy to say "OMG Apple b0rkd my 'puter").

In other words, Post hoc, ergo propter hoc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc).

No problems on 65 G5's & PowerBooks, company-wide.

The name-resolution problem is being discussed on MacInTouch and in various Apple forums, and is a result of updates to the global root nameservers. It's not a Safari problem, and this update contains nothing that will address it (/usr/sbin/bind).

What's included in this update is NO MYSTERY. Download the updater for your system, go through the installation process ONLY up to the point of having clicked 'Agree' on the licence. Then do File --> Show Files and peruse the list of what's in the updater.

[dmarkman]

Me as well - I have honestly never had one problem with an update either - and you are right, I never install a bunch of junk on my system or forget to repair permissions...

I was successfully updating my Cube from 10.0 -> 10.1 -> 10.2 -> 10.3 through all updates
I never did archive install
I never did repair permissions
I never had any problem

I never install any weird or unknown applications/drivers/extensions

[isaacc7]

My iBook is noticeably faster with Safari and with accessing files on my file/print server (running OS 10.2.something). I repaired permissions after the install and holy &^%^! I had a massive number of repaired things for IE (which I hardly ever use). Anyway, scrolling in safari is MUCH faster and smoother. In addition, I can access the directory of my external firewire drive over a network much more quickly as well. I love updates like this! :)



Isaac

[Westside guy]

If you haven't been exposed to real industrial-strength operating systems, it's understandable that you would be at a loss to understand. A book (http://research.microsoft.com/~daniel/uhh-download.html) (free download even) is out there explaining the situation pretty well (yes, the author now works at MS, but was working on real computers at the time the book was written).

Religious arguments like this are basically unresolvable. You are free to say and believe whatever you want. I am free to disagree with you. Given that various flavors of Unix are used for all sorts of very important tasks - all the root DNS servers on the internet, the vast majority of Web servers on the internet, etc. - it is obvious that a very large number of knowledgeable people are of the same mind I am. You are free to fault their choices, of course.

Having said that, I will download and read the book. The author's notes admit that it is "over the top", and a lot of times that makes for a fun read.

[tony c]

I’ve never had problems with updates before, but since updating I’m unable to play QT movie content through any of my browsers (Safari, EI and Netscape). I’ve repaired permissions (twice) with nothing showing up to repair, deleted the PLIST files for both QT and Safari and now reinstalled both. Still no luck, the browser just comes up with the broken icon displayed.
Anyone else having the same problem or can point me in the right direction? Running G4 iMac 800, 10.3.6, QT 6.5.2 Pro – No hacks or non-apple software except Office X.

BTW. Works OK on another user Account on same machine :confused:

[rendezvouscp]

I just upgraded from 7R27 to 7R28, and everything went smoothly on my machine. AirPort seems to be more reliable now, but other than that, I haven't seen any difference. Good luck to those of you with problems.
-Chase

[Les Kern]

I have to say that after updating to 10.3.6 using Software Update I've had nothing but problems on my dual 2.5 G5 w/ Nvidia 6800 Ultra graphics card.
(1) My Lacie Big Disk Extreme 500GB connected via FW800 failed to mount on the desktop or show up in Disk Utility upon initial reboot from update. Even logging out and back in didn't solve the problem. The weird thing though was that I was able to play all of my music from itunes even though the entire music library is stored on the the Lacie HD. Powering the HD on and off also didn't fix the problem. It finally mounted after I rebooted.

(2) When copying and pasting links from Dreamweaver MX into Safari's URL field and pressing return, Safari freezes. The G5 revs up and the beach-ball appears until I force Safari to quit. Since I'm an amateur website designer I often do this to check links, but I've never had any issues until now.

(3) Significant increase in noise from internal Hard drives. I'm not sure how updating the OS could affect this, but it's the noise did increased drastically.

(4) fans rev up a lot more often for non-intensive CPU tasks.

We seem to have exactly the same computer... G5 w/ dual 250's, upgraded vid card, LaCie 500GB disk, etc. I have 2GB ram. Oddly, I have had none of the issues you speak of since the update.
Such strange beasts these things are.

[Les Kern]

I'd like to hear what operating systems you consider "Industrial Strength".

The TICS-Realtime programs that run the space shuttle? That's my vote.

[kettle]

Has anyone noticed that these updates have the same feeling as those of the Ministry of Plenty in 1984? It's like everything seems to be improving, but you never really notice :)

It makes me feel like a nutter, but that book is so hard to laugh off. It isn't just Apple, it's like all four Ministries are alive and well in the twenty first century.

[Vanilla]

Well soon after posting my "installed, no problems" status & moaning about the lack of displayed results editing in the calculator (750,000 rather than 750000) I got my first problem.

I had two user sessions active, put the Pbook into sleep mode, lifted the lid to carry on and found every action was like wading through treacle, with the spinning beach ball happening on every action.

I Closed the Pbook lid, waited for the white light to come on and left it for a couple of hours as I went out to watch a firework display. I came back, opened the lid and was confronted with a blue display, no icons, nothing, just blue. I held down the power button to kick the machine off and restarted with no problems.

So far its running fine, but clearly that little episode has made me a little nervous, compounded with a little embarrasment as I was showing a PC friend of mine the Pbook at the time....

Vanilla

[kettle]

Did all the usual pre update checks, everything was fine, the update went swimmingly right up until the point where 100% happens and the you see the restart message pop up. This didn't happen, instead I got black screens and on of my Dual 19 CRT monitors with one displaying a Frequency out of range warning. There it sat, all lights on and hard drives spinning until I reset the bugger.

oh well, seems ok now.

[russed]

after saying everything was ok, is it just me who is finding their computer to be slightly sluggish after 10.3.6? i have done all the usual repair permissions etc. possibly a clean install is in order. i have felt like doing one for a while!

[Zaty]

With all the problems everyone's been encountering, I for one wouldn't be surprised if we saw 10.3.6.1 on the horizon in a week or so.

10.3.6.1? Has there ever been a 10.x.x.x release? I don't think. If there really is a wide spread problem, Apple might either pull 10.3.6 (like they did with the screwed 10.2.8) and re-release a fixed version of 10.3.6.or they will release 10.3.7 shortly. If, however, those problems are isolated, (which seems more likely) they will probably release a separate fix only for troubled configurations.

[AdeFowler]

15" PB (1.5ghz)

Downloaded full combo updater
Installed with no problems
Everything seems the same as before

Sweet as a nut :)

[crazedbytheheat]

What's up with all the negative rates???? :confused:

Maybe it's because Safari, Mail, NewsFire, and Adium now crash. I also had the entire machine lock up while using Virtual PC 7. I was running the Safari beta, so maybe that's related? I also notice that .Mac mail hasn't been available since yesterday, even via the web.

I tried to roll back to an older version of Safari and re-install the update, but my system is still hosed. Thank goodness for Firefox and Entourage.

Running a PowerBook G4 1.25 MHz.